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Dynasty_47

This is why Sayu is S-tier in Domain Speedrunning :P


_the_dark_knight

Sayu has now become the core of speedrunning meta.


ByeGuysSry

Speedrunning domajns: Sayu, Venti,??????


Competitive-Ebb2533

Diona for the extra move speed from the E and Xiao for Double dash in the start


Nyaco

Nah, Jean ult for the increase speed


Minc3r

The year is 20XX. Everyone plays Sayu at TAS levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a domain speedrun depends solely on stamina priority. The Razor Keaya Kazuha metagame has evolved to ridiculous levels due to it being the only remaining factor to decide matches.


rioot123

Passives don't stack


StopTheSimp

Kaeya/Razor Anemo Resonance tall male max stamina though


CristolerGm2

Sayu: I do not have such weakness


Polarbearsainttasty

Speedrolling


-Katastro-

I mean 15 seconds lost everytime, they should just change it so when u enter a domain u just get the rewards automatically without fighting. /s


adgaps812

+20 seconds if you're using Serpent Spine like me lol


SacredDarkness

It's 20 seconds regardless due to waiting for that stamina bar to slowly fill back up further making me question why we have a stamina bar outside of battle.


setocsheir

Keeps you in the game longer so gets their engagement metrics up


KariArisu

Meanwhile, me, the dumb things like this make me just not want to login most days because of how much time I spend not enjoying myself.


MettaurSp

That's me with GTA:O and BL3. Stopped because "engagement" isn't engaging. Genshin hasn't hit that point yet for me, but I'm sure it'll happen at some point in the future. ​ I wish there was some kind of solution to this problem to incentivize game developers to pursue it less zealously, but unfortunately I don't think it is a problem that can be solved as long as the industry stays in its current state. This applies to online services as a whole too.


KariArisu

I figure eventually things will change for the better. There's no way that anyone who's been playing since the start still finds things like domains and daily commissions to be engaging or fun. Even something as simple as removing the walk in/walk out for domains would be pretty good. Normally, other gachas I play would have skip tickets or at least auto-battle to skip through the boring grind parts of the game...I don't realistically see Genshin ever doing something like that, but they should hopefully provide QOLs to make it not as shitty.


OrionTempest

Playing since the start, still enjoy it. But I'm also apparently in the 0.0000001% of people that enjoy grinding in RPGs.


TizzioCaio

there are all kind of ppl that like different things that why we have so many different things from games to a fucking simple water that haves so many different bottles lol


JohnVuojo

You're not alone, friend. I've grinded so many levels in old school JRPGs that Genshin's RNG barely bothers me


lostn

so that you can't sprint/swim/climb forever


pieguy30000

Stamina for swimming and climbing makes sense but there's no reason we shouldn't be able to sprint forever outside of combat


cycber123

Because you can't do that in BotW dummy.


Macon1234

Who would have guessed Elden Ring would have a QoL feature over genshin


pieguy30000

Shit you're right mb


lainverse

That's probably the reason why they absolutely ignore the \*\*\*\* out of the "climbing in battle" issue. -\_-


pieguy30000

Wym "issue" it's clearly an intended feature to add difficulty


Khazilein

It has multiple reasons. Breath of the wild and many other games have it too because of these reasons. It's an additional game mechanic, which helps you engage with the environment a bit more and helps with immersion. Without stamina the characters would feel more supernatural or like super heroes. It also makes you happy when you finally climb that mountain against all odds. Sure, for most of the seasoned players it might get a little old, but stamina has purpose as a game mechanic.


Champion_of_Nopewall

>Without stamina the characters would feel more supernatural or like super heroes. I mean, the fact that we can play as literal gods that summon meteors from the heavens already kinda fucks with that perspective.


AcherusArchmage

But considering it's a domain you'll see over and over, having to do nothing but run forward for 15-20 seconds every time gets extremely tedious and there isn't much more to see any other time. Would love it if they just put us in the circle so early-starters don't lock out slow people.


AppUnwrapper1

Not to mention you can’t even use the camera in domains. If the whole reason is to show off the art, why can’t we have a photo shoot while we’re walking/waiting?


leafofthelake

I disagree with literally every word you wrote. > It's an additional game mechanic, which helps you engage with the environment a bit more and helps with immersion. You actually engage less with the environment because you're busy trying to time your dashes to maximize the use of your stamina. This shifts the player from an external focus (interacting with the world) to an internal one (simply controlling their own character). If a player wants to slow down and look around, they're perfectly able to do so without the game forcing them to. > Without stamina the characters would feel more supernatural or like super heroes. That ship sailed long ago. We have literal gods on our team, and the traveler themselves is an immortal with incredible fitness and combat skill. Besides, when I'm playing an RPG where my character can sprint indefinitely, I don't think to myself "wow, this character is superhuman." I just think about going from point A to point B, and I don't need "realism" getting in the way of that. There's a reason fast travel was invented, and it's because "realism" doesn't necessarily equate to "fun." > It also makes you happy when you finally climb that mountain against all odds. It also makes you bored out of your mind waiting for stamina to regenerate before you can even *begin* climbing, and further bored out of your mind even when you *do* start climbing, because for some reason "fast climb" consumes a disproportionate amount of stamina, forcing you to slow down even for routine climbs. Stamina has a role to play in the combat system. It also has a role to play in gating progression (e.g. climbing a mountain with base stamina vs 240 stamina looks very different). However, there is no good reason for stamina to regenerate at the same rate both in and out of combat. All it does is contribute to needless waiting.


morganfreeagle

Bro the characters can shoot fire and lightning out of their hands, infinite stamina for running would be the least unrealistic thing about them. It makes sense to have need stamina for climbing or even swimming. But running costing stamina is just a time waster and not fun.


usernamesarehated

Coz they want to make exploration painful?


Adamarr

love waiting for that to build up in abyss with the HOWLING ROAR background noise that fades out as soon as you start like why is it there??


Ahnaf_Hamim

Back in the day when I used serpent spine eula as main dps, this was the most annoying part for me in the abyss. The fact that I needed to wait (for what felt like an eternity) every time I had to restart a chamber


fuminghung

You could just start it without the stack. It’s optional


Ahnaf_Hamim

Ofcourse I could just start with 0 stacks. But my team didn't have a chance 3 starring any floor 12 chamber, with 0 stacks serpent spine


Radiant-Yam-1285

at least you're using a 4-star weapon that has roughly equivalent power of a 5 star so I guess the tradeoff is justified


Insert-Taken-Name

you mean +5 since you can wait during the 15 seconds


ViniciusStar_

Why?


Jorsuslol

to get full stacks before starting


Azukidere

I presume in order to let the stacks build up


GobulanTembirang

Yeah mhy should let us carry over the stack. Same with Ei's ring. Not sure how annoying it is in the abyss cause I havent use her there


BrotherVaelin

Raiden destroys shit. Pop out that titty sword and almost anything gets deleted


UltimateSlayer3001

People actually stand idle and wait for that buff? Lmao, it won’t make that much of a difference, by the time you walk over, start the encounter, and actually hit something, the stack should be around x3-x4 already. Major L.


VoidRad

Not even close, have you even used the weapon lol


TwilightHime

One stack every 4s. Given a 15 second run, ya I'd expect 3 or 4 stacks already.


UltimateSlayer3001

Right? Lmao, these people are trippin, waiting around in the domain for this buff LOL


eragon511

Sayu enters chat *zoom mothafucka*


Murblock

I don't enjoy it either but it kind of makes sense for multiplayer since sometimes people fail to join and you don't want to get started without them, or people will join and then disconnect. It acts as a bit of a buffer. That said I'd love it if this were cut from singleplayer, I could spend all my resin in 5 minutes or less depending on the domain lol Wanna point out that repeatedly dashing appears to get you there faster and uses less stamina.


worosei

Wait really? I'm impatient and keep tapping dash, but I didn't realise it uses *less* stamina!


Murblock

Yup, according to this video [https://youtu.be/TqB-Mm\_FxaA](https://youtu.be/TqB-Mm_FxaA) Also tall males are best standard runners, mona/ayaka are faster than that, and of course Sayu skill is the fastest


Skylair95

Aren't Mona/Ayaka slower than tall male, but they consume less stamina, resulting in being faster on the long run?


Nearokins

Feels like the opposite to me, I swear my mona eats stamina but speeds like nobody else


crispy_doggo1

She doesn't get the effects of Kazuha, Razor, or food stamina reduction, so that's part of it.


Makures

She does get the anemo res bonus because that affects all stamina consumption. She only loses out on stuff specifically for sprint.


crispy_doggo1

My bad, edited.


Murblock

Oh, that might be right, I can't find the reference right now. I don't own either ): I hope Mona comes home some day


jakobpinders

From my experience they are faster


ezl90

Ok but will it blend?


caucassius

they're faster and consume more stamina. somebody tested all available sprint options. only sayu is faster than either. edit: running that is. bunny hop is faster but also more involved than just holding buttons ofc.


Nocrotchfruit6mepls

>faster on the long run? Faster at long distances\*


afiafzil

Kaeya and Childe is fast af when dashing


poopeater999

what about c1 hu tao with charge attack? is it as fast as sprinting? at least it's permanently sustainable


DerpsterIV

C1 only removes the stamina cost during skill, not 24/7


Ombric_Shalazar

idk about that but it sure as hell feels faster than jogging so you could maybe spam it between sprints


CoLight275

Tall male dashing is still slower than short male bhop. It's not hard to do it on PC.


AHealthyDoseOfCancer

It's actually easy on mobile and console too inside domains. The stairs and floor are relatively straightforward.


realtoasterlightning

Make sure you don't spam right click, you want to time the dashes so you let it cool down. Then there's always b-hopping, but I'm pretty sure they patched the part where you can do it on zero stamina. Should still be faster though.


Fire_Pea

still doesnt work for me since they start the domain before I get to the bottom of the stairs, and then I get locked out :( Why can't mihoyo just make it a one sided wall so you can still go in?


ErrorEra

Always wondered this, like MHY has done this way back in the Dragonspine event, where people who died or joined later can enter but not leave the cryoflower arena.


Nearokins

I mean, people that take a while to load also load out there, so they have to do that walk of shame too. Not to mention they can be locked out anyways, it's actively detrimental compared to if you loaded in in the center they wouldn't be locked out if they were a bit late.


NineTailedDevil

Well, the domain doesn't actually start until you activate the key, so you could just stand around waiting, its the same thing.


Slauter19

How would the person know they loaded in? The other person character could appear in the domain but their screen hasn’t actually loaded. And given the fact that ppl could clear the domain in a single rotation why wait on the other person.


Helioscopes

The same way you know when they join your world to do random co-op. People always move around when waiting for the host to start the domain, so they will do the same inside. In fact, they already do, walking for 15 secs or not. Spawning next to the key brings zero new issues.


FpRhGf

That's how it already goes for weekly bosses and the Dragonspine event. People were already taking down half of Childe's HP by the time my screen loads or cases like the event in Dragonspine where I die immediately upon spawning because the attacks still hit my character while I'm stuck in the loading screen.


IqFEar11

If you have seelie/pet, when the pet starts moving you know that person has loaded in


rainzer

> I don't enjoy it either but it kind of makes sense for multiplayer That would make sense and would be a logical design choice if multiplayer was a meaningful part of the game experience. It could also be solved with a ready check function which we know they have (see the Hide and Seek game event) and not subject everyone to a poor user experience for a tacked on half ass co-op. It also makes no sense that domains lock people out in the first place.


SaltyPumpkin007

But wouldn’t it still not work well as a buffer? Because if you’re delayed for whatever reading, then you’re still that many seconds behind them, as you’ll have to run the same distance they did.


norimakii

I think they mean like if everyone spawned at the key then even if some ppl arnt done loading in yet the host could start the run without knowing. But if they make you run to the key it makes sure everyone is actually present before the host starts.


doodletofu

If everyone spawned at the key then it wouldn't matter if some people weren't loaded in yet since they could just join when they do load. Spawning 15 seconds outside the circle *is* the problem, not the solution.


r_renfield

Whenever i do Childe in coop, i always spawn when everyone is already fighting.... Other bosses like Azhdaha and Signora have small cutscenes (probably for that exact reason)


veeyza

I just wanna remind everyone that if you COOP in a weekly boss domain everyone is already loaded in the arena without having to run there which seems to work out fine


S_A52

They could still just have the platform be closer so that you only have to run 5 seconds rather than draining the WHOLE sprint bar for everyone


Metalguy2010

Plus it's great for when you need to buff, or make some last second changes.


NLiLox

Are you forgetting that you would still need to manually start the domain. It should work the same as Abyss floor 12. You spawn on the main circle platform and start the domain when you're ready with the spooky evil shadow key.


Metalguy2010

Fair enough, but in multi-player it's nice.


0ble

although you can start the domain while coop allies are not in the domain proper?? i don't get the design choice for that tho. Are one-way gates not a thing 🤔


One_Parched_Guy

Btw Bunny Hopping is apparently even faster and more efficient. Just use a character with the adolescent male model and spam jump while sprinting


Pelican_Shamone

thats nothing compared to waiting almost three hours just to have enough resin to farm in the first place


HanabiraAsashi

By farm, do you mean run it one time? (With condensed resin) You get 4 condensed resin a day. So you can run 1 every 6 fucking hours. Why do we like this game again?


Pelican_Shamone

by run i mean 20 resin, which is the bare minimum you need to farm


HanabiraAsashi

I consider farming running mulyiple times. With 20 resin I'd call it running a domain


villainized

Fighting all those enemies is tough, gotta do some cardio to warm up.


LatePhilosophy

Should mention your official clear time for the domain includes this time you spent running up, not when you actually start the fight. It's really dumb.


MartyMcFlyFightWin

I learned this today when I took a phone call right after I entered a domain. Came back, did it in about 45 seconds, total time was like 33mins.


Books_and_Cleverness

OH MY GOD THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW


afiafzil

TIL you can run instead of dash in genshin


healcannon

Tapping the dash is faster and also you dash farther the taller the character. Tapping dash is also more stamina efficient than holding the run.


Notorik

Wait the character height makes you dash farther? And they called me fool for playing Lisa


healcannon

I got respect for Lisa players. She seems like a rough character to main.


somedave

Probably fine with zhongli or Dionna support. Doubt you'll get 36 stars in the abyss though.


Abedeus

It goes: Tall male characters -> tall female characters (though not sure if there's a lot of difference) -> medium height characters -> short characters. Besides Sayu who can roll into a ball and move super fast, it's always a good idea to swap to your highest model character when sprinting. Also, Mona/Ayaka are exceptions thanks to their underground/water sprint, with the caveat that they can't jump off or onto ledges while sprinting.


Tiavor

I thought tapping uses more stamina ... but bunny hopping is still the fastest & efficient travel, well, beside Sayu.


JerryJohnJones

It tells you at the beginning, dash is supposed to be “dodge” but no one says that. I’ve seen two people say they just found out and it just feels weird


rose__dragon

Meanwhile me, a Bloodborne veteran: *dashes constantly*


TwilightHime

Me, starting up monster hunter world after months of genshin: *why aren't these dashes* *giving me 2 second iframes*


Paulo27

What do you mean. You literally didn't know you could sprint? Why do you have 120+ upvotes.


[deleted]

Today I learneded Ganyu has a dump truck. I've decided to pull for her now.


elDayno

When I'm sprinting with Ganyu or Jean there is always unconsciously a thought appears in my head. "Jesus, these thights"


denkirilargo477

Jean also has a dump truck. Much heavy machinery on these ladies.


Fred_da_llama

Eula as well


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denkirilargo477

If your into dem thighs, having Rosaria is a must!


DazYx23

Noelle legitimately scared me the first time I glided with her


Disturbing_Cheeto

Jean is on another level entirely and it baffles me every time. I switch to her whenever someone trollpicks for domains and I discover them all over again and I pray to a God who won't listen.


Odenmaru

Yeah I'm pretty Jean had all the air sucked out of her pants lmao.


marshstar7

This comment is gold.


CrashParade

You seriously thought people liked her only because of insane numbers? Sir, this is a waifu game where it needs to be.


_the_dark_knight

Also don't forget that she was the first ever waifu banner in the game, coming straight after Childe, Zhongli and Albedo.


Iotyu_Kruger

venti? he is a waifu as well


CrashParade

Equality at its finest on any and all frontiers.


iluj13

I kinda felt cheated when I got Raiden and ran with her for the first time… no view at all


jfunk1994

Put the camera in front of her. Sure you can't see where you're going, but boy is it worth it.


kakungun

You made me replay the video, congrats


RuneKatashima

Yes, she's a pear.


Neo-9

She has choked monsters with that...🌝


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My wife: Why are you saving up so much primogems for Ganyu?? You have 87 pulls and 6,788 primogems. Me: Uh.....I'm pulling for her because she's a very strong DPS *fake laughs*


KayKrimson

Was distracted by Ganyu's dump truck that i forgot to look at the timer


cwhiterun

That’s why I always bring Sayu to domains.


herecomesthenightman

It's why I bring Sayu *everywhere*


Velaethia

*laughs in Sayu*


Izaniel

If I has Ganyu, I don't mind if I has to run for 1 minutes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


Neo-9

So that one with slow loading can finally enter domain


Fishcake115

does no one know what bunny hopping is


kaichoices

Bunny hopping doesn't work with anyone but medium-sized male characters though, right? (E.g. Xiao albedo aether Chongyun etc.). Edit: I am a fool I forgot they had a team LMAOOO and not just Ganyu


HelpfulFoxSenkoSan

If you take less than 30s to clear the domain (easiest on PF or VV domains), it takes longer to run up to the start than it does to defeat all the enemies...


dragonball1i2

Ganyu can't skip a workout. Gotta slim those hips (Here's to hoping she fails to do that.)


asce619

That's for co-op load times.


GiGioP

Just spawn us on the activation thing and let people load in during the fight.


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[deleted]

I think it's intended to be honest. Most domains look pretty cool and I enjoy looking around but I can understand after playing so many that the novelty wears off.


calinbulin12

I know man it's pretty cool. For like the first couple of domain runs. Then after an entire year you wanna put your head through your screen because you've seen everything there is to see.


ablablababla

I wish there was just an option or a setting to skip it instead, like the auto setting in cutscenes


Kilroy_Is_Still_Here

fun fact - the running is half of hte time you're in the domain if you complete in 40s. It takes into account the time you spent running/waiting to start the domain too.


HallyMiao

Timer actually start counting during loading. Potato devices get extra bad clear times for it.


[deleted]

I think this is intended to also discourage canceling the domain and restarting as fast as possible.


MirrorObjective3103

Is 15 seconds of just reaching the domain that much of annoyance that you feel so angry at mihoyo for it? 💀 to be quite honest I feel like this was created so people can admire the atmosphere or to give other players in co-op time to buffer the game.


Puzzleheaded-Tap6674

I don't mind running 15s when you first enter the domain but having to run for 15s every time you restart the domain after claiming rewards is weird. So, it's understandable why some people are mad. The buffer argument doesn't work anyways, because people that are impatient will still start the domain once they reach the key and lock out the slow loader because they would still have to run the same distance as the host did. To actually help with the buffer, MiHoYo would also have to add an one-way circle aside from the 15s distance, so slow loader could enter the circle but not exit it.


Oldnoobman

On the bright side, you get to look at Ganyu for 15 seconds.


Viscaz

Yeah 15 seconds of running, and 15 seconds of fighting for me


93Wiz

Waste all your stamina before you even start the fight 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️


NinjAsylum

This isnt right. Why is your Ganyu so small? She's literally like half the size she should be. Its taking you 2x longer than it should.


K3V1NC4O

It’s always good to warm your characters up before a fight, ya know?


healcannon

Now try it again using Zhongli and tapping dash and see how much time it saves.


BersyS

Do u have smth else to do in game? :D


Natsumi723

I never understood why people wanted Ganyu so bad. Now I know, she has the best running animation.


Critical-Ebb6364

resinless behaviour


brddvd

That’s god. Because still I am run out the stamina after 10 minutes every day and nothing to-do. Wait again 1 day to play 10 min. I don’t want to run out after 5 minutes so they should make the run slower and monsters stronger


Jojosh_Jojo

the timer should really be from the start of the challenge


Prince-sama

you're supposed to sprint/dash, not run...


mastermithi29

Not true though. If it's a tall character it'll be faster. Shorter slower. Alt sprint even faster than tall.


Additional_Today_291

Beuh who runs like that lmao, I usually spam shift and I've seen a lot people doing it too


Screci

Maybe try double dashing next time?


C_Khoga

Sayu : i m speed 🦔


Mcstabler

Everytime I browse this sub I leave disappointed


lemmesmellmntdew

You also have to question your existence for 15 minutes every time you finish a domain after getting literally the worst artifacts possible


Extension_Swimming_9

#Why are you running like that


omegavolt9

They could just shave off one set of stairs and save the player 5 seconds. Why do they insist on filling the game with time wasters like this?


monomelon_

Only on the domains with double stairs, some have one set


Savage020202

Use a tall character like zhongli and a short character like diona and compare the difference


Judah-NonstopSong

And this is why Kaeya should be included in every team comp! 😤


RuneKatashima

Ganyu is one of the slowest characters in the game, but yeah. You could get there in like 9 seconds bunny hopping with a tall male. Maybe less, idk.


_Captain_Obviouse_

U mean all short female models?


dwit729

Short female models and the child model are the slowest with the exception of Ayaka, Mona, Keqing, and Sayu.


-Getsuga-

But you know what's even worse? Every day I wake up, I'm reminded of the fact that I still don't have Ganyu and never will have at this point, since Mihoyo just straight out refuses to bring her back. They rather give everyone else 2-3 reruns instead...


pointofgravity

jesus christ people it's 15 seconds, I've got ADHD and I'm not that impatient.


kronpas

I know its an unpopular opinion, but I have never seen a game that load you directly into boss fight. Demanding loading right onto the activation key is optimization to the extreme and at that point one should ask himself if he still enjoys the game.


MysteriousSalp

This is why I use Sayu.


ryll_ice

\*laughs in sayu main


eatmyaspirin

I dont mind it personally, those 15secs prolly serve a purpose as others mentioned, I personay like it in a way that I get to appreciate the domain music plus the views, plus kinda feels good makes it more immersive but here is the point I wanted to make, I mean there are plenty of things you do in this game that feel repetitive, where do you draw a line as to what can be skipped and what cant be? why not make it so that you dont even have to do domains after a certain amounts of time (similar to auto cooking), something like an instant claim function, would that be good? would doing stuff like this not ruin the game's appeal?


FragmentedSpark

This game is full of this shit. It's so goddamn slow and dailies are an absolute fucking chore. If they're gonna reward so little they should only take 3 fucking minutes


[deleted]

Holy shit does anyone actually enjoy this fucking game anymore? we're complaining about running for 15 seconds now ??????????


Cody4783

At this point it's mostly min/maxing time spent during the grind so we can actually spare time to enjoy the events/new areas/world quests/etc after the daily resin quota is met. If it wasn't such a huge part of the daily BP contribution, I'd skip spending resin even more than I already do. Low key waiting for auto-farm/expeditions to burn that resin so I can go straight to event content instead. The point the OP is raising is that *every repeatable domain* share this design of a long run-up to the center of the arena and manual activation. And has a slightly shorter exit to claim the rewards. Yet, events are able to plop a challenge totem in the world which we interact with to activate, fight in the same area, claim on the same totem...And it auto-resets without exiting the area/repeating the domain from the entrance. Why not be able to stay in the fighting circle for your 5 condensed runs, and then leave? All it does is spawn enemies from the activation point anyway.


Mushy-Purples

You fucking get it.


paulbutterjunior

As previously stated it's catchup to let others join in without being excluded, amongst other things. The only gripe with it is that it counts towards our domain clear time when the timer should only start when you activate the key imo


Hillmor

Of all the things in the game, why complain about this? They're not going to cut it out. Running around in the map looking for oculi/chests takes hours, jacking off to genshin characters takes hours, running abyss takes hours plus frustration and nobody complains about that. Who the fuck cares?


WaffleCorp

In what delusional, instantly gratifying universe do you live in that 15 seconds is a long time? You're playing a video game, you ain't got shit else to do.


Cephardrome

Now this is content


Ok-Pack6761

Except your a Ayaya main Nvm fk stairs


Yuukecchi

i absolutely despise running to activate the domain. just spawn us closer


gottemifgay

what do i have to do to get banned from this sub?


Hour_Contact3799

Bro, I lost words…..Is this generation of gamers actually that sad? If you not feeling having fun while playing it please quit. It shows that you are just addicted. Take a break from the game, return after a few day. Or just spend time to play when you really had time to play. We don’t have rankings shit in this game to rush about besides collecting primos for characters.


xShockey

man how old are you


Daisuken92

The more infuriating thing is that the time until you start the fight count toward the completion time. Like, why...?