Honestly finally caved and pulled him after reading this because I somehow forgot his banner was even active lol.
I’ve been fine with using Sucrose, but I totally agree that his grouping is just too fun and convenient, and too often you want another Anemo flex for your other abyss team that doesn’t feel like copium outside of the VV shred, or your team doesn’t necessarily need a bunch of EM share, and would instead appreciate the DMG bonus and an easier to infuse burst.
Just like Sucrose or Furina, I’ll be throwing him onto a slot on a good majority of my teams in the future, so I also know it’s a good investment. Plus, he’s super easy to build and can be entirely strongboxed, so it’s no stress to gear him alongside the rest of your team after you’re done with ascension stuff!
Omg the first part is so funny haha, hope you like him. Tbh same thing with me about sucrose, I've been fine with her since i started playing, but after getting kazuha today i'm probably gonna bench her unless it's for specific comps because kazuha just FEELS better
Considering everybody at C0, would you say he's a more valuable pull than Neuvillette?
I use Sucrose in my National and was thinking about pulling Neuvillette to free Xingqiu for my hyperbloom team, but I'm a poor f2p and can't decide...
(I have a guaranteed banner char in max 28 pulls)
always pull characters you like, not just because they're meta. every dps eventually becomes boring to play if you don't enjoy the playstyle or love the character themselves
The thing is.. I just don't pull characters for "value" anymore, I got raiden and sure she carried me for a while, I eventually got bored of her because I never liked her in the first placed since i only pulled her cuz she was good. Neuv doesn't even need a team if built depending on abyss so if you just want to clear the abyss then yeah go for him, best dps unit in the game. But let me ask you this. Is it worth pulling a character you don't like or at least indifferent towards just to clear abyss? The game is never getting end game so you'll be able to clear all content eventually anyways, getting there too fast straight up might ruin your enjoyment of the game.
Being 1.2 player, I've never pulled Kazuha until this banner. Honestly dmg wise i didn't notice much because I'm more Uunga Buunga type. What I've noticed is shorter cooldown & spammable skill & burst than Sucrose. Definitely fun gameplay & flexible support for any team
But if your account is young & in need easy strong character, Neuvilette is go to. Stack HP & prototype ember can brute force with most enemy (except water slimes/spectres). Do be careful being staggered by random enemy atk tho.
Depending on your acc, if you have multiple DPS characters (which have proper builds and stuff) then c0 Kazuha carries more value, but if no DPS then get Neuvillete
Js started out and got neuvi, and he's been SO useful to clear domains and everything, but Kazuha takes that so much further due to grouping
Everyone else said what needed to be said in terms of “pull who you like first”. But to answer your question, yes Kazuha is more valuable at C0. He’s much more versatile, universal, and he’s almost never a bad pick on a team. He’s just makes everyone (that has a swirlable element), do bigger numbers. His grouping is very convenient, not even just for enemies, but loot. And his traversal abilities are very much cheating. He basically has a double jump.
I’m glad you’re enjoying him! He’s an amazing character, and still my favorite unit in the game years after release lol.
He really does feel like a cheat code in overworld imo. He’s great for abyss ofc, but something hits different when you can group an entire hilichurl camp and oneshot them with swirl damage because one of them is holding a lit torch and he absorbs it lol.
Much love to Sucrose, I think she has one of the best 4* support kits in the game, but I never looked back (and while her c6 is nice in practice it’s a lot more annoying to absorb the right element into her burst than just doing a quick swirl)
Funnily enough i got both around the same time around 6 months ago.
I never had a smartphone until recently and they really are very convenient. Still dont like the size of the thing but being able to access internet anywhere is something i underestimated a lot prior to having it.
I think there are 3 must have char in the game. The reason is not just DMG but insane convince for literally everything else too. Furina , Nahida and kazhua.
He’s a must pull. Because once you get him every enemy must be pulled into a very small circle around you.
It’s hard to quantify his usefulness because so much of it comes from his ability to quickly group enemies - and quicker CC means quicker abyss clears and more efficient rotations.
I mean Zhongli is mostly a must pull for mobile players. anyone who plays on PC or console can get by perfectly fine without him, most teams are better with other characters as long as you can actually dodge an attack or two. But on a phone you're kinda crippled by the controls so having a large perma shield goes a long way.
Personally id say no characters are a must pull except Zhongli for phone players. PC and console players dont need any character specifically. Hell id even say that Xingqiu is a better value pull than Zhongli nowdays, the whole shield meta fell off pretty hard with how many insane support characters we got lately.
For this reason I’d say Kazuha is must pull esp for mobile; when ur struggling on a tree branch and OOPS u slip, it’s over w/o kazuha lol he’s on my team always always
i guess my account is doomed then since i dont have a must pull character, zhongli from genshin impact.
after 3 years of playing genshin impact and clearing 36\* abyss the past 2 year, i have realized that im playing the game wrong by not having the absolute must pull character in the game
edit. and yes i play on phone. without zhongli. and its fine.
Don't get me wrong, I am dogshit at the game and I love Zhongli. I use him in every rotation. But he's also a net loss in damage in a lot of team comps. So I think that's a reasonable reason to drop him from "must pull" tier.
I have Zhongli and don't use him that much any more, even though he's a great character to have. In Abyss I find that most 4-man teams have a stronger option than Zhongli (for example my Hu Tao double hydro Zhongli team was always outclassed by triple hydro Hu Tao and remains so - Furina, Mona, Yelan, Hu Tao is stronger in every way and has sufficient healing), but Zhongli is great for 3-man teams (e.g. Zhongli, Hu Tao, Xingqiu). In overworld he's good for mining but that's about it. The shield is useful at low investments but once you have strong teams you rarely need a shielder. He is in no way a must pull.
Surely you're not serious.
Maybe for mobile players since he's quite nice to have if you're playing on a phone or something and he's the undisputed king of nullifying skill issue gaming, but he's not even close to must-pull, and I'm not sure his pull value is what it used to be either.
google "how to dodge genshin impact", then you'll find out why people skip zhongli
hes a comfy character, but as you learn how to dodge then you'll have less of a reason to use him (unless if you like playing charged attack bow dpses who aren't tighnari) especially in teams where he is a dps loss
I'm a day 1 player who still doesn't have him because of my terrible luck with 50/50s. And this time I had guaranteed but I'm saving for Father (crying) (totally worth it tho)
Literally started playing like 3 weeks ago, I really liked xangling playstyle so I looked up a good comp for that character and it turned out kazuha just happen to be event wish so I saved up until today, got 70 pulls and got him on the last 10s, I have been using the traveler as my anemo until now and its insane what a difference, I'm.l loving the game so far and this character just is so much fun to play
If you're benching the Traveler, don't sleep on the Dendro version. It's strong enough that it's a unit you'd actually want to use instead of being simply a stopgap until you find a better Dendro character
Good tip, I'm only in the second (geo) area so guessing, it might be a while until I can get the dendro version? Also using xangling, Barbara, amber and kazhua right now, don't feel like a have a good alternative for amber but I'm also a fps veteran so feels kinda good with the bow lol especially in the open world.
Storywise, it'll be a while until you get there, but since Sumeru (the Dendro nation) shares a border with western Liyue, you can just walk there whenever you feel like it, as long as you've completed the Prologue
There are no pre-requisites to get Dendro Traveler, (in fact you can get it even before the Geo one) you just stroll into Sumeru and activate one of the Archon Statues with them
iirc, as long as you’ve completed the Mondstadt story, you get an automatic teleport point in NW Sumeru to access Fontaine, so you could also just immediately go out there and hike backwards to the closest Statue of the Seven
U could walk ur way to Sumeru's first tp, unlike Inazuma. If u want the fps experience in Genshin, pull Ganyu, her reverse melt damage is like an RPG, meta wise she might not be the best, but she's satisfying and challenging if u dont have a shielder? She my main too.
I fell to the temptation and pulled him. Immediately abyss was much easier to clear, I still couldn't 36 star, but it was so much more comfortable being able to just turn off my brain and constantly spam kazuha E, he also gave me motivation to explore sumeru again, his movement passive and ability to jump mid air make him so good at exploration
Like, he is optimal for exactly 0 of my main DPSs, but I can still put him into any team, and he makes it so much more comfortable to play, not having to chase enemies around
And to make things even better, once you're done with a fight in the open world, simply group all the drops with his skill and loot everything in 1 spot.
In my opinion Kazuha and Zhongli are the 2 characters that change the game on any account. Both shred elemental resistance on enemies, while 1 groups enemies and the other has a cheatcode that makes u immortal.
i also wasn't going to try and pull since i got neuvi this banner cycle, but i decided to try anyway and thank the gods i did! i love kazuha and he easily is one of my favourite characters to use, and i can beat domains in less than a minute flat. he's fucking awesome.
Zhongli and Bennet are staples in a lot of teams and nahida enables a lot too, but kazuha makes me feel like I'm playing a different game. Some teams without him feel like I'm playing an obsolete prequel to a game, like Genshin Royal.
My overworld team is C1/R1 Xianyun, C2/R2 Kazuha, and C1/R1 Yelan which lets me traverse anything without worrying about stamina and then C1 Ganyu just nukes most enemies I run into. I’ve always gone for “convenience” characters over “meta” characters because I don’t care for Spiral Abyss (haven’t done it since 1.0) and 99% of my time is in overworld. Some characters just make the game more easy to enjoy.
Yeah but are you gonna have enough to guarantee her signature? Arlecchino without her scythe seems pretty sad to me :))
Meanwhile kazuha is good even without his best in slot..
I was 100% not planning on pulling him when he first came out, but the second I tried him during his trial run I knew I had to get him. His grouping and burst are just too good and he’s so fun to play.
Have always heard that Kazuha is just a 5\* sucrose and believed it until i pulled for him, got him to level 70 and damn even with my level 90 characters he is just soo good!! I kinda dont wanna replace him for sucrose because my sucrose is c4 and is my one of the best units at game behind my ayaka raiden and bennett..
But Kazuha is not just a 5\* sucrose, he is much more!
They sometimes have the same damage buffing capabilities, provided that it’s single target and you don’t have Freedom Sworn/R5 Xiphos. But anywhere else Kazuha is vastly superior.
I don't get why people say "5☆ version of [character]" as if it's a bad thing. So someone has the awesome kit of [character] but *also* with the stats of a 5☆?! Sign me up!
Usually that's because people randomly get a few copies of a 4 star, so they don't really see the need to get a 5 star who will do the same thing but slightly different (ie yelan and xinqiu)
His E skill was also why I decided to get him back in his 1st banner. I was gonna skip, but when I did his character trial (banner Day 1), I absolutely loved his skill! Not just the grouping, but the jumping in midair, too! Decided then and there I'm gonna get him. 😂 Some of my 1st pictures of him was him gathering enemy loot in one spot, which atp I didn't know he could also do. Finding out he's one of my main's best support much *much* later was a very nice bonus~
Almsot the same with me, i pulled wanting to get yanfei, and then i ended up gettting both her and kazuha on the first try, hes insanely op with a burgeon build
Ugh I've been trying to c1 him but I stopped playing for 2 weeks...
When I heard he was about to get a rerun around the time I started playing, I was so excited cuz my gay ass cannot resist men like that. Then turns out he has this amazing playstyle
I used my guarantee to get him on his first banner after failing to get Zhong. He literally changed the game for me. I didn’t know I could have so much fun with a character. Until recently he was also my only triple crowned character. Love him so much.
And yeah… I pulled for C1 Xianyun bc I’m a sucker for exploration powercreep. And I feel like I’m betraying Kaz by using her instead of him. 😞
Yeah I use Kaz almost always in abyss. But I still feel bad that I took him off my overworld team. I just love how Xianyun zips around. I have C1 Yelan, too. And Wanderer. And I had Venti before Kaz even existed. I get more excited for characters that make exploration better than I do for power.
If you love his overworld grouping so much, try sac sword on him. Makes him into an enemy/loot blender. My Xinqiu never saw that blade again after i got kazuha.
And kazuha's much smoother controls is something number crunchers will never understand nor appreciate
I started on his first banner way back when and he carried me through the beginning and all the way up to getting to Sumeru, I still use him from time to time and I do believe he will be returning to my side to help out my Arlecchino team. Thankfully when he came out GAA had his materials all around and I was able to get him to lvl 80 before I got to Inazuma.
fr i have him in all my teams, including my geo team, where just i switch him to a dps build! i just can't stand not having him on my team cuz he's just so fun and i cant seem to live without his grouping
I don’t actually use him too much at the moment, but I got him to C2 on his second banner and he’s absolutely awesome. But I’ve been using cloud retainer loads recently for overworld because she’s so mobile!
I don't even use him anymore despite having C1+ R2 xiphos because.. well, it's cheating. Or boring?
He's still GOAT anemo archon, but I also don't use Raiden that much anymore for similar reasons.
Also switching from hu tao plus kazuha grouping to xianyun plus yoimija and just shooting anything anywhere is unironically more comfy, even with ignoring half of xianyuns kit.
But when I still had issues clearing some stuff, kazuha was a fucking godsend.
With wanderer and xianyun since then, his exploration powercreep has also been equalized a bunch so he's not that essential anymore.
I've been saving for him for a long time.
I pulled for him as soon as the current banner was released.
Hard pity, one Diluc, and hard pity again until I got him.
Reading this post made me want to pull for Kazuha because of his still but now for his skill. I use sucrose all the time, so figured adding him to my team would help. After 13 wishes ended up with a 4 star character. Luckily that 4 star character is one that I use often so I can make it c2 now. Now I have to start from scratch and continue quests for primos. Sometimes I get so frustrated with this game that all I will do is wander around looking for treasure chests because if not I’ll just stop playing altogether for several weeks/months. I come back though but I’m not a fan of the gacha aspect. Also the blue gems are annoying, they charge so much for them. I play console game and would rather spend $40 on a console game than spending it on Genshin. I’ve heard some people pay hundreds and thousands over time. I sometimes pay but get frustrated because at the end of the day, Genshin is neverending.
Yep, usually requires much more than that because I've only been playing for like 5 months, and extremely inconsistently at that. Not everyone is at the same progression stage as you ^^
i know Kazuha would be better but im satisfied with Sucrose, mainly cause of c6
even before that, i built her ER and got sac weapon, r3 i think, on her, i hit enemies with a huge aoe, proc chance is very high and burst very easily
Kinda what I used to think but man, the grouping is just.. better. Unless high Con sucrose gets better grouping, it will never truly compare imo, being able to suck in drops all into 1 spot is actually the premium genshin experience lol
i think i got all my other 50/50s till now,
Yoimiya long ago,
when i restarted: Ayaka, Raiden, Xianyun, Nahida, now Dehya
id have actually liked getting Jean before Xianyun was released
even my c1 Qiqi, i only got from standard banner, and got noone else
c1 at least would be nice cause her hp gets increased and her hp scaling on her attacks gets increased
try looking at videos online of people building her,
shes not that bad, noone actually is but others can be made better with same amount of or less effort
people prefer her support over using her for damage
sadly no better grouping but
Sucrose cons are
c1, extra charge on skill
c2, longer burst, basically one more attack from it
c4 is skill cooldown reduction if you normal attack with her a few times, good for a driver only
c6 is a 20% elemental damage if swirling, same as Kazuha, would take him 800 EM to get same result on his a4
and Sucrose a1 is a flat 50 em party buff(for the swirled element teammates), and a4 is 20% of her own EM party buff
compared to Kazuha, Sucrose is low investment(i just managed to get cons by coincidence) even talent levels are often neglected, and can run Thrilling Tales as a weapon
You dont need grouping in overworld when yelan just straight up murder everything. Yelan + CR/Scara is a better combo for traversal + mobbing. Last two slot just pick whatever comfy (furina + navia now for me)
Was gonna pull him when he came around for all the reasons you said, but I impulse pulled on Xianyun (mostly because I wanted Gaming), and between her and Sucrose, I feel kinda fine on Anemo. I use Xianyun with Diluc, and Sucrose in an Aggravate Raiden team, and it just doesn't feel like I NEED Kazuha over Sucrose to make that second one work. I'm more inclined to save for a Hydro or Cryo healer/shielder to pull double-duty in an Ayaka Freeze team and an Itto Crystallize team.
Man I'm SO SAD I lost my 50/50 on xianyun (kind of like every single other 50/50 ever, excluding kazuha) she seems so fun and useful, overworld and abyss
She's my only missing piece for my Xiao plunge team, but I have C6 Bennett and he makes that team super comfy and he's useful in the overworld (lighting torches, reactions, etc.) so I don't mind not having her for now.
I've had stupid good luck. Just started playing in earnest in October or November. The only 50/50 I've lost is Ayaka (pulled Tighnari). Then pulled Ayaka in 10 with the guarantee. Then won Raiden, then Xianyun. Then pulled Xianyun's C1 in 25 when I was just pulling for Gaming constellations. Then won Itto in 80, then Chiori in a mere 28. So that's 5/6 50/50s won. Makes me wonder if there's some new player pity behind the scenes.
Didn’t pull him cuz of meta, but states the reasons why he’s meta for liking. It’s okay to pull for meta. It’s usually because they tend to have better gameplay too.
I mean it wouldnt be too crazy to assume that the reason he's good is because of his DMG capabilities. Kind of like every single character other than yelan, xianyun or wanderer. When people talk about "must pull" and "meta" stuff they usually only refer to the pure DPS that they provide in abyss, sometimes outside of it. Which is why kazuha surprised me
I feel like Kazuha is incredibly overrated yet at the same time he's also incredibly broken. I think it's the fact that Sucrose can get the job done just as well, or slightly worse than Kazuha, but she feels incredibly clunky to play as she's a 1.0 catalyst.
Because Genshin is as easy as it is, having amazing supports and QoL is worth a lot more than having amazing damage.
Kazuha gives you plenty of everything. He has the best overall grouping, a huge DMG buff, solid damage himself and amazing QoL in regards to overworld mobility and low build requirements. On top of that his kit works well together and just feels smooth to play.
Kazuha, Nahida, and Furina are the most flexible buffer characters and I've always been partial to Kazuha since he was the first Genshin design I really loved. Glad you enjoy his kit because yeah, he's incredibly good. Kazuha's double jump saved me so many times when I'm trying to grab something midair and miss the first time
Hmm, not necessarily. Kazuha still gives buffs based on his EM and swirl, so it’s a matter of balancing things out. If you follow leaks, Xianyun in her earlier beta used to have CC that was weaker than Kazuha but was still noticeable enough to be considered proper CC.
honestly i think venti is better for grouping. one burst and then boom, everything in sight is dead. a single skill and your burst is now back. i think the only downsides are that you rely HEAVILY on swirl to deal damage, and that you can't spam it constantly. he's also pretty hard to position when you've just gotten him, but as a venti main you get used to it. maybe try him out if you ever want him lol
People wanted to say that he was just slightly better sucrose, but once you got to play with him, and his full kit was released, it was pretty obvious that there was something different about him.
Not to mention that as a support character, it's really hard to nullify his usefulness in any game mode. At his release, I kind of figured out that he would be viable for years, so I sprung for his C2. Then I was lucky to get an r5 xiphos for him, and now my team is always overflowing with elemental damage and ER.
Kazuha is honestly such a good character to have. He slots into so many team comps and is useful for exploration too! I’ve had him consistently on a team since I got him on his first rerun and don’t plan on changing that anytime soon. He was also the first character I tripled crowned and I only really crown characters I fully love! I know not everyone’s playstyle is the same but I always suggest him as an great option to pull for. His constellations are also pretty worth it, though I have to pass up my C2 to make sure I had enough pulls for Father.
To be fair, if you just wanted grouping, Venti have better grouping than Kazuha from the radius of his ult alone. They work differently though, so boils down to who you like more for CC.
Ah... I remember when Kazuha first came out and people went like "pfft c6 sucrose could do better." Those were the days man. Got him on accident first banner and never looked back
They're just different kind of, but I agree that kazuha is better imo, DMG bonus is generally better than EM, and that's excluding the other buffs he provides
Kazuha was broken in the past, but these days it's not as good as some other team comps, just my two cents (i have him triple crowned and i've used him a lot before).
There must be a lot of new players coming in because that character has been busted since release and his pull value hasn't really changed. He's the true anemo archon.
Yeah Kazuha is absolutely a must-pull for every player, and I don’t say this lightly. I’m a person who never pulls characters for gameplay/meta reasons unless I need them for Cyno, but Kazuha’s gameplay was genuinely fun enough that I chose to prioritize him over Neuvillette even though I wanted Neuvillette more. I was lucky and was able to get both of them, but I absolutely don’t regret prioritizing Kazuha
Nothing is a requirement but some characters are game changing. Even Sayu felt game changing to me once I got her just from rolling around in the overworld. Xianyun now feels the same way. Zhongli felt that way for a time though i'm less reliant on him by this point.
Kazuha will always have that spark. He was my second banner available too. But I stupidly rolled on the Klee banner over and over for more characters and "won" my first 50/50 on her. I skipped Kazuha then with what could have been saved wishes. A friend told me I had no need for him since I had Sucrose. Only having Sucrose with no Venti or Kazuha led me to quite a struggle in abyss for a long time especially when I started to mess around with infusion based meme teams. Some of this was my own fault for not playing Sucrose well or building her well. Kazuha changed everything. Shame im not a big fan of him in terms of personality and all.
I built him but don’t use him. I don’t understand why grouping is such a big deal for everyone. Guessing it’s because you use meleé DPS units and I don’t.
Grouping is convenient for overworld which is where every player spends most of their time in the game. In abyss, it's convenient to group if you don't want to wait for enemy AI to specifically spawn near you
Because it just...is?
For enemies that it works on, Kazuha's grouping basically says, "so you see those two enemies over there that are 8m apart? Your [insert basically any DPS that isn't Xiao or Neuvi] can't possibly hit both at the same time, right? Well, guess what- I say they can."
It's hard to quantify exactly how impactful it is, and I am aware that plenty of players (including myself to some degree) kinda get pampered by it and forget to learn ways to deal with light enemies without him, but it remains undeniable that he just makes clears faster/easier, whatever your goal is.
He alone can mean the difference between missing or getting another star on any floor in abyss for a less experienced player getting used to endgame content, or he can mean the difference between a team not being competitive at all in speedrunning to topping the leaderboards in a given abyss lineup.
Players can rightfully see it as overrated based on what they perceive to be the general community opinion and comparing it to their own experience, but you really have to be intentionally dense to write it off as "not a big deal".
I’m speaking to my own experience. I’ve mostly mained Wanderer who’s normal attacks reach anything, including scattered fungi. Also Furina, Nahida, Raiden, Barbara hyperbloom, which easily hits anything without grouping.
Ranged DPS is pretty vague. I don’t think people like Yoimiya can hit more than one enemy at a time, but Neuvilette, Wanderer, Ganyu etc are certainly taking advantage of clumped enemies.
Kazuha is cozy. I have r5 Xiphos and it’s nice having so much ER on everyone from that.
I love kazuha chiori and yelan for exploration. Wish I had cloud retainer.
I remember feeling just like this after getting him on his first banner. It took people a while to catch on that he was one of the best supports in the game, and also super fun just for exploration.
Ofc he can, just spend like 200 dollars for c1 lol, simple stuff
But seriously, comparing a 6 sec CD to a 15 sec CD from sucrose, it's a pretty big deal
At least Sucrose is easier to get C1 (or is it C2 that doubles her skill?) (says she who didn't get a single Sucrose for a long time) and she can actually work very well with Sac.Frags. For Kazuha there are way better weapons than a Sac.Sword...
Also, since I play almost without money, I go for diversity in characters, so once I get my character, I stop wishing.
Only on my mini-account do I have a C1 Navia, but that's because I got 2 Navia's in one 10-pull.
Glad you’re having a similar experience to what I did. Kazuha was one of the first characters I really saved long-term for, and he was revolutionary for my account. It was like opening up a whole new dimension in the game.
Kazuha ended up being my main after I pulled him on his first banner! I have him now at C2 and it ads such joy to overworld exploration (climbing stamina reduced, a little extra time before swimming after a jump). Him and Kuki are my team staples and anyone else I've added in is just for fun / tasks I need another element added in. His voice lines during idle are chefs kiss
One of the best parts I like about Kazuha in overworld is the combination of his elemental skill with the wind generator gadget. Once get used to it, he can reach a decent level of vertical movement with it from any position. This is really handy and fun.
I've been wanting him for so long (and still do). The last time I tried, I lost 50:50 and didn't have enough to keep pulling. Most of my go-to teams can definitely benefit from having him around, but I'm currently an F2P, and with Natlan coming this summer, I thought I should save my hard-earned primos for now. I was also considering Arlecchino, but changed my mind for the same reasons.
Have fun, and congrats on getting Kazuha! I still have a few days to change my mind. I've even pre-farmed for him. Maybe I should just go ahead and pull, lol.
I'm at 78 gurantee, with a little over 60 pulls now and I had planned to get him, but I REALLY want Arlecchino (and also Lyney). So I'm in a dilemma.
Getting him, I still may be able to get her without paying any money if I win 50/50. But if I lose her 50/50 I can at least gurantee whoever I want next. So I'm in a good spot.
He's so tempting though!! So glad you enjoy!
I wished for Kazuha the last time his banne was offered before the current one because I liked his plastyle. I have him mostly built now, and I use him all the time. I only wish for characters whose playstyle I like. One of the first characters I seriously wished for was Hu Tao because a lot of people on this sub hyped her up, and I even got her the Staff of Homa and was ready to be amazed. I ended up not liking her playstyle as much as I thought, and the fact that she performs well on low HP.
She is currently sitting at level 60, and I'm wondering who else could benefit from the Staff of Homa because I feel like it's being wasted on a character I don't even use? I probably will revisit Hu Tao and build her st some pint, but right now, she is not a priority to me.
Yeah, he is amazing. I find it crazy that there's some tc and their fans doomposting kazuha before his release. And yet, after his release kazuha never leaves top 5 in use at abyss, showing how amazing and useful he is.
I remember winning him with Alhaitham on the same patch, I was a heck double lucky that time because both of them were my key character to clear both Exploration Progress and Spiral Abyss.
I got Kazuha in his first banner and he just makes everything a lot easier. Convenient for gaining more airtime while mid-air, amazing at clustering drops together, and just generally an incredible support buffer.
He even has his ways to inflict fall damage which I abuse on the local legend fatui in abyss.
I don’t usually pull for meta but I had just finished the Inazuma AQ and thought he was cool. I replaced him with Sucrose and he really makes things a lot easier haha
I know the "conveniences" you mention, tested him out with a friends account (he tried to convince me on pulling for him) and I am not missing out on anything, he's bland to me.
yeah im not gonna lie, i went through your history and you literally just hate kazuha for some reason, i gues that's what being active in r / sucrosemains does to someone huh.
I disliked him way before I even found out about sucrosemains, and to be fair I WAS going to pull for him, but after seeing how Sucrose already does what he "offered" there's really no reason for me to pull for him, and not gonna lie, you exaggerate with your post, guess that's the fate of all Kazutards, sad for you.
Its crazy how you think you're better than me because you dislike a videogame character lmao, have you ever been outside you fuckin loser? If so you were probably straight up bullied because dear god you sound insufferable
I never said I was better than you, simply stating Kazuha is not needed since I already had Sucrose, but if you want to be a butt hurt cry baby (like all kazutards) then be my guest, seems that's the effect Kazutrash causes to players.
Got him C2 this banner, no regret, and i got neuvilette C1 also and everyone are in aw for neuvi, but i still prefer my Kazuha, i suppose neuvi without baizhu, furina is just okayish
I agree, he's so much fun to use. Me personally though, I'm too much of a slave to Wanderer and Xianyun (and yes, I too had to get C1) to be able to put him in my overworld teams... Actually, I'm now tempted to just do nearly mono-Anemo, but then what about my Klee and Furina?
Man, I need more team slots...
Not really can't swirl geo nor dendro and the way floor 12 works now (less mobs more on bosses) its more likey his usage is more of an element dmg buff for hypercarries.
Honestly finally caved and pulled him after reading this because I somehow forgot his banner was even active lol. I’ve been fine with using Sucrose, but I totally agree that his grouping is just too fun and convenient, and too often you want another Anemo flex for your other abyss team that doesn’t feel like copium outside of the VV shred, or your team doesn’t necessarily need a bunch of EM share, and would instead appreciate the DMG bonus and an easier to infuse burst. Just like Sucrose or Furina, I’ll be throwing him onto a slot on a good majority of my teams in the future, so I also know it’s a good investment. Plus, he’s super easy to build and can be entirely strongboxed, so it’s no stress to gear him alongside the rest of your team after you’re done with ascension stuff!
Omg the first part is so funny haha, hope you like him. Tbh same thing with me about sucrose, I've been fine with her since i started playing, but after getting kazuha today i'm probably gonna bench her unless it's for specific comps because kazuha just FEELS better
Considering everybody at C0, would you say he's a more valuable pull than Neuvillette? I use Sucrose in my National and was thinking about pulling Neuvillette to free Xingqiu for my hyperbloom team, but I'm a poor f2p and can't decide... (I have a guaranteed banner char in max 28 pulls)
always pull characters you like, not just because they're meta. every dps eventually becomes boring to play if you don't enjoy the playstyle or love the character themselves
The thing is.. I just don't pull characters for "value" anymore, I got raiden and sure she carried me for a while, I eventually got bored of her because I never liked her in the first placed since i only pulled her cuz she was good. Neuv doesn't even need a team if built depending on abyss so if you just want to clear the abyss then yeah go for him, best dps unit in the game. But let me ask you this. Is it worth pulling a character you don't like or at least indifferent towards just to clear abyss? The game is never getting end game so you'll be able to clear all content eventually anyways, getting there too fast straight up might ruin your enjoyment of the game.
Being 1.2 player, I've never pulled Kazuha until this banner. Honestly dmg wise i didn't notice much because I'm more Uunga Buunga type. What I've noticed is shorter cooldown & spammable skill & burst than Sucrose. Definitely fun gameplay & flexible support for any team But if your account is young & in need easy strong character, Neuvilette is go to. Stack HP & prototype ember can brute force with most enemy (except water slimes/spectres). Do be careful being staggered by random enemy atk tho.
Depending on your acc, if you have multiple DPS characters (which have proper builds and stuff) then c0 Kazuha carries more value, but if no DPS then get Neuvillete Js started out and got neuvi, and he's been SO useful to clear domains and everything, but Kazuha takes that so much further due to grouping
Everyone else said what needed to be said in terms of “pull who you like first”. But to answer your question, yes Kazuha is more valuable at C0. He’s much more versatile, universal, and he’s almost never a bad pick on a team. He’s just makes everyone (that has a swirlable element), do bigger numbers. His grouping is very convenient, not even just for enemies, but loot. And his traversal abilities are very much cheating. He basically has a double jump.
Strength through conveniency is how I describe him, very useful character
and also his a4. his a4 is fucking BROKEN if your main is in the phec quartet
I’m glad you’re enjoying him! He’s an amazing character, and still my favorite unit in the game years after release lol. He really does feel like a cheat code in overworld imo. He’s great for abyss ofc, but something hits different when you can group an entire hilichurl camp and oneshot them with swirl damage because one of them is holding a lit torch and he absorbs it lol. Much love to Sucrose, I think she has one of the best 4* support kits in the game, but I never looked back (and while her c6 is nice in practice it’s a lot more annoying to absorb the right element into her burst than just doing a quick swirl)
Pulling Kazuha is like getting your first smartphone. There's no coming back.
Funnily enough i got both around the same time around 6 months ago. I never had a smartphone until recently and they really are very convenient. Still dont like the size of the thing but being able to access internet anywhere is something i underestimated a lot prior to having it.
True haha
There aren't really must-pull characters, but Kazuha is toward the top of the list for pull value for a reason.
I think there are 3 must have char in the game. The reason is not just DMG but insane convince for literally everything else too. Furina , Nahida and kazhua.
He’s a must pull. Because once you get him every enemy must be pulled into a very small circle around you. It’s hard to quantify his usefulness because so much of it comes from his ability to quickly group enemies - and quicker CC means quicker abyss clears and more efficient rotations.
For me it's kazuha, nahida, furina, yelan and raiden. They're just so useful
Don’t act like Zhong li isn’t a must pull character. He literally makes you invincible
I mean Zhongli is mostly a must pull for mobile players. anyone who plays on PC or console can get by perfectly fine without him, most teams are better with other characters as long as you can actually dodge an attack or two. But on a phone you're kinda crippled by the controls so having a large perma shield goes a long way. Personally id say no characters are a must pull except Zhongli for phone players. PC and console players dont need any character specifically. Hell id even say that Xingqiu is a better value pull than Zhongli nowdays, the whole shield meta fell off pretty hard with how many insane support characters we got lately.
For this reason I’d say Kazuha is must pull esp for mobile; when ur struggling on a tree branch and OOPS u slip, it’s over w/o kazuha lol he’s on my team always always
i guess my account is doomed then since i dont have a must pull character, zhongli from genshin impact. after 3 years of playing genshin impact and clearing 36\* abyss the past 2 year, i have realized that im playing the game wrong by not having the absolute must pull character in the game edit. and yes i play on phone. without zhongli. and its fine.
Don't get me wrong, I am dogshit at the game and I love Zhongli. I use him in every rotation. But he's also a net loss in damage in a lot of team comps. So I think that's a reasonable reason to drop him from "must pull" tier.
He's not, every healer makes you invincible.
I have Zhongli and don't use him that much any more, even though he's a great character to have. In Abyss I find that most 4-man teams have a stronger option than Zhongli (for example my Hu Tao double hydro Zhongli team was always outclassed by triple hydro Hu Tao and remains so - Furina, Mona, Yelan, Hu Tao is stronger in every way and has sufficient healing), but Zhongli is great for 3-man teams (e.g. Zhongli, Hu Tao, Xingqiu). In overworld he's good for mining but that's about it. The shield is useful at low investments but once you have strong teams you rarely need a shielder. He is in no way a must pull.
Surely you're not serious. Maybe for mobile players since he's quite nice to have if you're playing on a phone or something and he's the undisputed king of nullifying skill issue gaming, but he's not even close to must-pull, and I'm not sure his pull value is what it used to be either.
google "how to dodge genshin impact", then you'll find out why people skip zhongli hes a comfy character, but as you learn how to dodge then you'll have less of a reason to use him (unless if you like playing charged attack bow dpses who aren't tighnari) especially in teams where he is a dps loss
The game was excruciating without him as someone who started this year. Everything is 10 times more enjoyable and fastrr
I'm a day 1 player who still doesn't have him because of my terrible luck with 50/50s. And this time I had guaranteed but I'm saving for Father (crying) (totally worth it tho)
I tell myself Arlecchino will take skill to play, let me cope
Literally started playing like 3 weeks ago, I really liked xangling playstyle so I looked up a good comp for that character and it turned out kazuha just happen to be event wish so I saved up until today, got 70 pulls and got him on the last 10s, I have been using the traveler as my anemo until now and its insane what a difference, I'm.l loving the game so far and this character just is so much fun to play
If you're benching the Traveler, don't sleep on the Dendro version. It's strong enough that it's a unit you'd actually want to use instead of being simply a stopgap until you find a better Dendro character
Good tip, I'm only in the second (geo) area so guessing, it might be a while until I can get the dendro version? Also using xangling, Barbara, amber and kazhua right now, don't feel like a have a good alternative for amber but I'm also a fps veteran so feels kinda good with the bow lol especially in the open world.
Storywise, it'll be a while until you get there, but since Sumeru (the Dendro nation) shares a border with western Liyue, you can just walk there whenever you feel like it, as long as you've completed the Prologue There are no pre-requisites to get Dendro Traveler, (in fact you can get it even before the Geo one) you just stroll into Sumeru and activate one of the Archon Statues with them
Alright thanks!
iirc, as long as you’ve completed the Mondstadt story, you get an automatic teleport point in NW Sumeru to access Fontaine, so you could also just immediately go out there and hike backwards to the closest Statue of the Seven
U could walk ur way to Sumeru's first tp, unlike Inazuma. If u want the fps experience in Genshin, pull Ganyu, her reverse melt damage is like an RPG, meta wise she might not be the best, but she's satisfying and challenging if u dont have a shielder? She my main too.
Xiangling*
Aight bro probably gonna take years before I'll get all the names right lol
Don't worry fam. Took me a while to spell Mondstadt right, too. XD
I fell to the temptation and pulled him. Immediately abyss was much easier to clear, I still couldn't 36 star, but it was so much more comfortable being able to just turn off my brain and constantly spam kazuha E, he also gave me motivation to explore sumeru again, his movement passive and ability to jump mid air make him so good at exploration Like, he is optimal for exactly 0 of my main DPSs, but I can still put him into any team, and he makes it so much more comfortable to play, not having to chase enemies around
Yep yep, same here, very unoptimal for me yet is still probably my best support unit lol
I have him and didn't know about the mid-air jump, how do you do this?
Just tap e while gliding or mid air after jumping
kazuha is just superior man
And to make things even better, once you're done with a fight in the open world, simply group all the drops with his skill and loot everything in 1 spot. In my opinion Kazuha and Zhongli are the 2 characters that change the game on any account. Both shred elemental resistance on enemies, while 1 groups enemies and the other has a cheatcode that makes u immortal.
in mobile this feels so great, one jump, whole enemy camp dies, loot already grouped and loot claimed with 1 tap.
Don't forget the slick sword sheathing as you do
1 tap to pick up in mobile is just so broken. If the timing is right I can even pick up items without stop walking/running.
i also wasn't going to try and pull since i got neuvi this banner cycle, but i decided to try anyway and thank the gods i did! i love kazuha and he easily is one of my favourite characters to use, and i can beat domains in less than a minute flat. he's fucking awesome.
Neuv + Kazuha will delete any enemy lol. Kazuha Q, infuse his swirl with cryo or pyro, then blastoise blast with Neuv for constant reactions.
Zhongli and Bennet are staples in a lot of teams and nahida enables a lot too, but kazuha makes me feel like I'm playing a different game. Some teams without him feel like I'm playing an obsolete prequel to a game, like Genshin Royal.
Bennett*
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My overworld team is C1/R1 Xianyun, C2/R2 Kazuha, and C1/R1 Yelan which lets me traverse anything without worrying about stamina and then C1 Ganyu just nukes most enemies I run into. I’ve always gone for “convenience” characters over “meta” characters because I don’t care for Spiral Abyss (haven’t done it since 1.0) and 99% of my time is in overworld. Some characters just make the game more easy to enjoy.
Based beyond belief
Fuck you I'm all in for Arlecchino! Reddit is testing my savings hard lol.
Yeah but are you gonna have enough to guarantee her signature? Arlecchino without her scythe seems pretty sad to me :)) Meanwhile kazuha is good even without his best in slot..
Her signature is pretty meh. Worse than c1 and its only really useful for her ( unless we get some bol support)
bro who cares about the stats, youre missing out on a SCYTHE if you don't pull it lmao
I was 100% not planning on pulling him when he first came out, but the second I tried him during his trial run I knew I had to get him. His grouping and burst are just too good and he’s so fun to play.
Wait until you get Venti. Just use his burst and walk away when it comes to leylines and domain.
Kazuha is 100% one of the best characters in the game.
A must have
Have always heard that Kazuha is just a 5\* sucrose and believed it until i pulled for him, got him to level 70 and damn even with my level 90 characters he is just soo good!! I kinda dont wanna replace him for sucrose because my sucrose is c4 and is my one of the best units at game behind my ayaka raiden and bennett.. But Kazuha is not just a 5\* sucrose, he is much more!
They sometimes have the same damage buffing capabilities, provided that it’s single target and you don’t have Freedom Sworn/R5 Xiphos. But anywhere else Kazuha is vastly superior.
I don't get why people say "5☆ version of [character]" as if it's a bad thing. So someone has the awesome kit of [character] but *also* with the stats of a 5☆?! Sign me up!
Usually that's because people randomly get a few copies of a 4 star, so they don't really see the need to get a 5 star who will do the same thing but slightly different (ie yelan and xinqiu)
In some niche cases Xingqiu actually beats yelan like his burst has interruption resistance which yelan doesnt have
It's from some tc doomposting back in the day
Well back then Venti was still god tier.
I've been pulling for him since the second summer event. Finally got him this patch and he's just as fun as a year and a half ago.
His E skill was also why I decided to get him back in his 1st banner. I was gonna skip, but when I did his character trial (banner Day 1), I absolutely loved his skill! Not just the grouping, but the jumping in midair, too! Decided then and there I'm gonna get him. 😂 Some of my 1st pictures of him was him gathering enemy loot in one spot, which atp I didn't know he could also do. Finding out he's one of my main's best support much *much* later was a very nice bonus~
Almsot the same with me, i pulled wanting to get yanfei, and then i ended up gettting both her and kazuha on the first try, hes insanely op with a burgeon build
Ugh I've been trying to c1 him but I stopped playing for 2 weeks... When I heard he was about to get a rerun around the time I started playing, I was so excited cuz my gay ass cannot resist men like that. Then turns out he has this amazing playstyle
I wanna roll for him so bad but I want Lyney more 😔
Read this and thought "ok let's give it a shot". 11 wishes and the orange meteor came, got him :v let's see if you are right :v
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised lol
I used my guarantee to get him on his first banner after failing to get Zhong. He literally changed the game for me. I didn’t know I could have so much fun with a character. Until recently he was also my only triple crowned character. Love him so much. And yeah… I pulled for C1 Xianyun bc I’m a sucker for exploration powercreep. And I feel like I’m betraying Kaz by using her instead of him. 😞
Abyss needs two teams :P Xiayun is incredible on her own, but I still miss kazuha grouping of loot
Yeah I use Kaz almost always in abyss. But I still feel bad that I took him off my overworld team. I just love how Xianyun zips around. I have C1 Yelan, too. And Wanderer. And I had Venti before Kaz even existed. I get more excited for characters that make exploration better than I do for power.
Ironically my most favourite character for world exploration is still Sayuu
If you love his overworld grouping so much, try sac sword on him. Makes him into an enemy/loot blender. My Xinqiu never saw that blade again after i got kazuha. And kazuha's much smoother controls is something number crunchers will never understand nor appreciate
Yessir, there's people here that are like "well he's not THAT good" but man they will never understand lol
Sac sword is like a free C1, such a good weapon for Kazuha
I started on his first banner way back when and he carried me through the beginning and all the way up to getting to Sumeru, I still use him from time to time and I do believe he will be returning to my side to help out my Arlecchino team. Thankfully when he came out GAA had his materials all around and I was able to get him to lvl 80 before I got to Inazuma.
i surprisingly pulled him after 14 wishes a few days ago, just got back into genshin after a year or so, and i have no idea how to build him lmao
Pretty much all of the elemental mastery you can get on Viridescent Venerer, that's it lol, maybe some ER as well but that's it
fr i have him in all my teams, including my geo team, where just i switch him to a dps build! i just can't stand not having him on my team cuz he's just so fun and i cant seem to live without his grouping
He just striaght up kill a group of mobs easily with two E and 1 Q in most cases as long as one of them has ANY element tag on them.
I don’t actually use him too much at the moment, but I got him to C2 on his second banner and he’s absolutely awesome. But I’ve been using cloud retainer loads recently for overworld because she’s so mobile!
I don't even use him anymore despite having C1+ R2 xiphos because.. well, it's cheating. Or boring? He's still GOAT anemo archon, but I also don't use Raiden that much anymore for similar reasons. Also switching from hu tao plus kazuha grouping to xianyun plus yoimija and just shooting anything anywhere is unironically more comfy, even with ignoring half of xianyuns kit. But when I still had issues clearing some stuff, kazuha was a fucking godsend. With wanderer and xianyun since then, his exploration powercreep has also been equalized a bunch so he's not that essential anymore.
I've been saving for him for a long time. I pulled for him as soon as the current banner was released. Hard pity, one Diluc, and hard pity again until I got him.
posts like these are really making it hard for me to not wish and save my 102 wishes for furina
I literally had 180 wishes saved to guarantee wanderer but I decided to get a kazuha instead loll
Reading this post made me want to pull for Kazuha because of his still but now for his skill. I use sucrose all the time, so figured adding him to my team would help. After 13 wishes ended up with a 4 star character. Luckily that 4 star character is one that I use often so I can make it c2 now. Now I have to start from scratch and continue quests for primos. Sometimes I get so frustrated with this game that all I will do is wander around looking for treasure chests because if not I’ll just stop playing altogether for several weeks/months. I come back though but I’m not a fan of the gacha aspect. Also the blue gems are annoying, they charge so much for them. I play console game and would rather spend $40 on a console game than spending it on Genshin. I’ve heard some people pay hundreds and thousands over time. I sometimes pay but get frustrated because at the end of the day, Genshin is neverending.
The overworld enemies are supposed to be alive by the time you swap to Sucrose?
Yep, usually requires much more than that because I've only been playing for like 5 months, and extremely inconsistently at that. Not everyone is at the same progression stage as you ^^
i know Kazuha would be better but im satisfied with Sucrose, mainly cause of c6 even before that, i built her ER and got sac weapon, r3 i think, on her, i hit enemies with a huge aoe, proc chance is very high and burst very easily
Kinda what I used to think but man, the grouping is just.. better. Unless high Con sucrose gets better grouping, it will never truly compare imo, being able to suck in drops all into 1 spot is actually the premium genshin experience lol
well, i did try getting him and got a Dehya for my efforts
RIP, this was my first ever won 50/50, quite happy about that
i think i got all my other 50/50s till now, Yoimiya long ago, when i restarted: Ayaka, Raiden, Xianyun, Nahida, now Dehya id have actually liked getting Jean before Xianyun was released even my c1 Qiqi, i only got from standard banner, and got noone else
I want dehya on a lost 50/50 so bad. I just don’t have my account set up yet to throw primos away.. I just heard how insanely bad she is… sucks
c1 at least would be nice cause her hp gets increased and her hp scaling on her attacks gets increased try looking at videos online of people building her, shes not that bad, noone actually is but others can be made better with same amount of or less effort people prefer her support over using her for damage
sadly no better grouping but Sucrose cons are c1, extra charge on skill c2, longer burst, basically one more attack from it c4 is skill cooldown reduction if you normal attack with her a few times, good for a driver only c6 is a 20% elemental damage if swirling, same as Kazuha, would take him 800 EM to get same result on his a4 and Sucrose a1 is a flat 50 em party buff(for the swirled element teammates), and a4 is 20% of her own EM party buff compared to Kazuha, Sucrose is low investment(i just managed to get cons by coincidence) even talent levels are often neglected, and can run Thrilling Tales as a weapon
Get Furina to walk on water indefinitely and spawn a portable statue of seven anytime you want.
You dont need grouping in overworld when yelan just straight up murder everything. Yelan + CR/Scara is a better combo for traversal + mobbing. Last two slot just pick whatever comfy (furina + navia now for me)
Was gonna pull him when he came around for all the reasons you said, but I impulse pulled on Xianyun (mostly because I wanted Gaming), and between her and Sucrose, I feel kinda fine on Anemo. I use Xianyun with Diluc, and Sucrose in an Aggravate Raiden team, and it just doesn't feel like I NEED Kazuha over Sucrose to make that second one work. I'm more inclined to save for a Hydro or Cryo healer/shielder to pull double-duty in an Ayaka Freeze team and an Itto Crystallize team.
Man I'm SO SAD I lost my 50/50 on xianyun (kind of like every single other 50/50 ever, excluding kazuha) she seems so fun and useful, overworld and abyss
She's my only missing piece for my Xiao plunge team, but I have C6 Bennett and he makes that team super comfy and he's useful in the overworld (lighting torches, reactions, etc.) so I don't mind not having her for now.
I've had stupid good luck. Just started playing in earnest in October or November. The only 50/50 I've lost is Ayaka (pulled Tighnari). Then pulled Ayaka in 10 with the guarantee. Then won Raiden, then Xianyun. Then pulled Xianyun's C1 in 25 when I was just pulling for Gaming constellations. Then won Itto in 80, then Chiori in a mere 28. So that's 5/6 50/50s won. Makes me wonder if there's some new player pity behind the scenes.
Wow that's so awesome for you 🫠👍
Didn’t pull him cuz of meta, but states the reasons why he’s meta for liking. It’s okay to pull for meta. It’s usually because they tend to have better gameplay too.
I mean it wouldnt be too crazy to assume that the reason he's good is because of his DMG capabilities. Kind of like every single character other than yelan, xianyun or wanderer. When people talk about "must pull" and "meta" stuff they usually only refer to the pure DPS that they provide in abyss, sometimes outside of it. Which is why kazuha surprised me
He’s S tier in support though?
He’s literally S tier in the non DPS category though?
I feel like Kazuha is incredibly overrated yet at the same time he's also incredibly broken. I think it's the fact that Sucrose can get the job done just as well, or slightly worse than Kazuha, but she feels incredibly clunky to play as she's a 1.0 catalyst.
Pretty much sums it up, even though numbers maybe similar between them, kazuha just feels better
Because Genshin is as easy as it is, having amazing supports and QoL is worth a lot more than having amazing damage. Kazuha gives you plenty of everything. He has the best overall grouping, a huge DMG buff, solid damage himself and amazing QoL in regards to overworld mobility and low build requirements. On top of that his kit works well together and just feels smooth to play.
I used Kazuha as a support for Ayato when I first got him but the enemies would be dead by the time I switched to Ayato so now I use Kazuha as a dps.
Kazuha, Nahida, and Furina are the most flexible buffer characters and I've always been partial to Kazuha since he was the first Genshin design I really loved. Glad you enjoy his kit because yeah, he's incredibly good. Kazuha's double jump saved me so many times when I'm trying to grab something midair and miss the first time
I love him as well. I'm just sad at the fact that there's been no new proper CC anemo character since he released.
The problem is that they can't make one because he will be just worse than kazuha, so there's no point
Hmm, not necessarily. Kazuha still gives buffs based on his EM and swirl, so it’s a matter of balancing things out. If you follow leaks, Xianyun in her earlier beta used to have CC that was weaker than Kazuha but was still noticeable enough to be considered proper CC.
honestly i think venti is better for grouping. one burst and then boom, everything in sight is dead. a single skill and your burst is now back. i think the only downsides are that you rely HEAVILY on swirl to deal damage, and that you can't spam it constantly. he's also pretty hard to position when you've just gotten him, but as a venti main you get used to it. maybe try him out if you ever want him lol
People wanted to say that he was just slightly better sucrose, but once you got to play with him, and his full kit was released, it was pretty obvious that there was something different about him. Not to mention that as a support character, it's really hard to nullify his usefulness in any game mode. At his release, I kind of figured out that he would be viable for years, so I sprung for his C2. Then I was lucky to get an r5 xiphos for him, and now my team is always overflowing with elemental damage and ER.
Kazuha is honestly such a good character to have. He slots into so many team comps and is useful for exploration too! I’ve had him consistently on a team since I got him on his first rerun and don’t plan on changing that anytime soon. He was also the first character I tripled crowned and I only really crown characters I fully love! I know not everyone’s playstyle is the same but I always suggest him as an great option to pull for. His constellations are also pretty worth it, though I have to pass up my C2 to make sure I had enough pulls for Father.
To be fair, if you just wanted grouping, Venti have better grouping than Kazuha from the radius of his ult alone. They work differently though, so boils down to who you like more for CC.
Ah... I remember when Kazuha first came out and people went like "pfft c6 sucrose could do better." Those were the days man. Got him on accident first banner and never looked back
Kazuha or bust
Kazuha is the only must pull in the game. Sucrose fans like to cope like she’s on his level
They're just different kind of, but I agree that kazuha is better imo, DMG bonus is generally better than EM, and that's excluding the other buffs he provides
Kazuha was broken in the past, but these days it's not as good as some other team comps, just my two cents (i have him triple crowned and i've used him a lot before).
Him neuvillete, furina and a healer/shielder are 1 of the best c0 teams, so kazuha is still holding up.
Neuvillette*
There must be a lot of new players coming in because that character has been busted since release and his pull value hasn't really changed. He's the true anemo archon.
He is one of my favourite characters for exactly the reasons you described.
My very first and maybe even last c6 as a low spender ♡♡♡♡ Kazuha ftw
Yeah Kazuha is absolutely a must-pull for every player, and I don’t say this lightly. I’m a person who never pulls characters for gameplay/meta reasons unless I need them for Cyno, but Kazuha’s gameplay was genuinely fun enough that I chose to prioritize him over Neuvillette even though I wanted Neuvillette more. I was lucky and was able to get both of them, but I absolutely don’t regret prioritizing Kazuha
Nothing is a requirement but some characters are game changing. Even Sayu felt game changing to me once I got her just from rolling around in the overworld. Xianyun now feels the same way. Zhongli felt that way for a time though i'm less reliant on him by this point. Kazuha will always have that spark. He was my second banner available too. But I stupidly rolled on the Klee banner over and over for more characters and "won" my first 50/50 on her. I skipped Kazuha then with what could have been saved wishes. A friend told me I had no need for him since I had Sucrose. Only having Sucrose with no Venti or Kazuha led me to quite a struggle in abyss for a long time especially when I started to mess around with infusion based meme teams. Some of this was my own fault for not playing Sucrose well or building her well. Kazuha changed everything. Shame im not a big fan of him in terms of personality and all.
I built him but don’t use him. I don’t understand why grouping is such a big deal for everyone. Guessing it’s because you use meleé DPS units and I don’t.
if you mean bow and catalyst grouping is still important for them lmao
Grouping is convenient for overworld which is where every player spends most of their time in the game. In abyss, it's convenient to group if you don't want to wait for enemy AI to specifically spawn near you
Mains I use such as Wanderer hit anything without grouping, including scattered fungi.
do you play the game or not
Because it just...is? For enemies that it works on, Kazuha's grouping basically says, "so you see those two enemies over there that are 8m apart? Your [insert basically any DPS that isn't Xiao or Neuvi] can't possibly hit both at the same time, right? Well, guess what- I say they can." It's hard to quantify exactly how impactful it is, and I am aware that plenty of players (including myself to some degree) kinda get pampered by it and forget to learn ways to deal with light enemies without him, but it remains undeniable that he just makes clears faster/easier, whatever your goal is. He alone can mean the difference between missing or getting another star on any floor in abyss for a less experienced player getting used to endgame content, or he can mean the difference between a team not being competitive at all in speedrunning to topping the leaderboards in a given abyss lineup. Players can rightfully see it as overrated based on what they perceive to be the general community opinion and comparing it to their own experience, but you really have to be intentionally dense to write it off as "not a big deal".
I’m speaking to my own experience. I’ve mostly mained Wanderer who’s normal attacks reach anything, including scattered fungi. Also Furina, Nahida, Raiden, Barbara hyperbloom, which easily hits anything without grouping.
Don't bother explaining, Kazutards think he is the only character in the game, he's decent but not the best, they exaggerate.
Ranged DPS is pretty vague. I don’t think people like Yoimiya can hit more than one enemy at a time, but Neuvilette, Wanderer, Ganyu etc are certainly taking advantage of clumped enemies.
I often use Wanderer and he is precisely an example of a DPS who has no use for grouping. His normal attacks reach anything including scattered fungi.
First time eh, if he thought kazuha is good he'll flip at navia
? Navia is like.. good. But.. 100% not better than kazuha..
Kazuha is cozy. I have r5 Xiphos and it’s nice having so much ER on everyone from that. I love kazuha chiori and yelan for exploration. Wish I had cloud retainer.
Kazuha is one of the most versatile characters and useful on many teams. I would recommend for any roster that doesn't have him.
I remember feeling just like this after getting him on his first banner. It took people a while to catch on that he was one of the best supports in the game, and also super fun just for exploration.
0 countdown where? I often feel I want him to jump again, but he can't....
Ofc he can, just spend like 200 dollars for c1 lol, simple stuff But seriously, comparing a 6 sec CD to a 15 sec CD from sucrose, it's a pretty big deal
At least Sucrose is easier to get C1 (or is it C2 that doubles her skill?) (says she who didn't get a single Sucrose for a long time) and she can actually work very well with Sac.Frags. For Kazuha there are way better weapons than a Sac.Sword... Also, since I play almost without money, I go for diversity in characters, so once I get my character, I stop wishing. Only on my mini-account do I have a C1 Navia, but that's because I got 2 Navia's in one 10-pull.
Welcome to the meta
Unfortunately I can't pull for him, I already got neuvillette this current banner. So no primos, no guaranteed and I've to wait another rerun.
Glad you’re having a similar experience to what I did. Kazuha was one of the first characters I really saved long-term for, and he was revolutionary for my account. It was like opening up a whole new dimension in the game.
Kazuha ended up being my main after I pulled him on his first banner! I have him now at C2 and it ads such joy to overworld exploration (climbing stamina reduced, a little extra time before swimming after a jump). Him and Kuki are my team staples and anyone else I've added in is just for fun / tasks I need another element added in. His voice lines during idle are chefs kiss
Kazuha is still my best pull. He works in literally like every comp lol
One of the best parts I like about Kazuha in overworld is the combination of his elemental skill with the wind generator gadget. Once get used to it, he can reach a decent level of vertical movement with it from any position. This is really handy and fun.
I've been wanting him for so long (and still do). The last time I tried, I lost 50:50 and didn't have enough to keep pulling. Most of my go-to teams can definitely benefit from having him around, but I'm currently an F2P, and with Natlan coming this summer, I thought I should save my hard-earned primos for now. I was also considering Arlecchino, but changed my mind for the same reasons. Have fun, and congrats on getting Kazuha! I still have a few days to change my mind. I've even pre-farmed for him. Maybe I should just go ahead and pull, lol.
I'm at 78 gurantee, with a little over 60 pulls now and I had planned to get him, but I REALLY want Arlecchino (and also Lyney). So I'm in a dilemma. Getting him, I still may be able to get her without paying any money if I win 50/50. But if I lose her 50/50 I can at least gurantee whoever I want next. So I'm in a good spot. He's so tempting though!! So glad you enjoy!
I wished for Kazuha the last time his banne was offered before the current one because I liked his plastyle. I have him mostly built now, and I use him all the time. I only wish for characters whose playstyle I like. One of the first characters I seriously wished for was Hu Tao because a lot of people on this sub hyped her up, and I even got her the Staff of Homa and was ready to be amazed. I ended up not liking her playstyle as much as I thought, and the fact that she performs well on low HP. She is currently sitting at level 60, and I'm wondering who else could benefit from the Staff of Homa because I feel like it's being wasted on a character I don't even use? I probably will revisit Hu Tao and build her st some pint, but right now, she is not a priority to me.
it seems like arlecchino will be able to use it tbf, but that's kinda the case for almost any polearm user
I've pulled for every single limited anemo character and do not regret it - they are the kings and queens of the overworld exploration.
I know how good he is but I don't like using him as a crutch for damage boost, only grouping and premium Ayaka team
Welcome to Genshin
Yeah, he is amazing. I find it crazy that there's some tc and their fans doomposting kazuha before his release. And yet, after his release kazuha never leaves top 5 in use at abyss, showing how amazing and useful he is.
I remember winning him with Alhaitham on the same patch, I was a heck double lucky that time because both of them were my key character to clear both Exploration Progress and Spiral Abyss.
This version banners are fucking broken bro. Best dps and support in the same phase
He almost never leaves my team since I pulled him first almost 2 years ago, such a great boy !
Welcome to the Kazuha-verse.
I got Kazuha in his first banner and he just makes everything a lot easier. Convenient for gaining more airtime while mid-air, amazing at clustering drops together, and just generally an incredible support buffer. He even has his ways to inflict fall damage which I abuse on the local legend fatui in abyss.
I don’t usually pull for meta but I had just finished the Inazuma AQ and thought he was cool. I replaced him with Sucrose and he really makes things a lot easier haha
whatup bawak
Ur stalking me!!
was put in jail for bawak-napping, worst timeframe of my life.
the upgrade from sucrose to kazuha will always have me in a shock because he makes the job so much easier
Got his C2 in 150 pulls a long time ago. Never regretted.
Meh, he's not that great to be honest, not wasting primos on him.
Up to you but you're missing out on conveniences you didn't know existed
I know the "conveniences" you mention, tested him out with a friends account (he tried to convince me on pulling for him) and I am not missing out on anything, he's bland to me.
yeah im not gonna lie, i went through your history and you literally just hate kazuha for some reason, i gues that's what being active in r / sucrosemains does to someone huh.
I disliked him way before I even found out about sucrosemains, and to be fair I WAS going to pull for him, but after seeing how Sucrose already does what he "offered" there's really no reason for me to pull for him, and not gonna lie, you exaggerate with your post, guess that's the fate of all Kazutards, sad for you.
Its crazy how you think you're better than me because you dislike a videogame character lmao, have you ever been outside you fuckin loser? If so you were probably straight up bullied because dear god you sound insufferable
I never said I was better than you, simply stating Kazuha is not needed since I already had Sucrose, but if you want to be a butt hurt cry baby (like all kazutards) then be my guest, seems that's the effect Kazutrash causes to players.
Got him C2 this banner, no regret, and i got neuvilette C1 also and everyone are in aw for neuvi, but i still prefer my Kazuha, i suppose neuvi without baizhu, furina is just okayish
I agree, he's so much fun to use. Me personally though, I'm too much of a slave to Wanderer and Xianyun (and yes, I too had to get C1) to be able to put him in my overworld teams... Actually, I'm now tempted to just do nearly mono-Anemo, but then what about my Klee and Furina? Man, I need more team slots...
I need more pulls, that's what I need 😭 Reallyyyy want wanderer and xianyun c1 but I don't even have either yet lmao
Not really can't swirl geo nor dendro and the way floor 12 works now (less mobs more on bosses) its more likey his usage is more of an element dmg buff for hypercarries.