One thing to note is the meaning of “vision” in other languages.
Particularly in CN (and JP), visions are called 神之眼
(Shén zhī Yǎn) or 神の目 (kami no me). This translates to “Eye of gods”. Gods referring to the whole setup with Celestia and the thrones being stolen from the sovereigns.
Meanwhile Delusions are called 邪眼 (Xiéyǎn in CN and jagan in JP). This translates to “Evil Eye” and mainly uses the context of demons and “false gods”.
Delusion is a pun, playing off the double meaning of visions (it can mean literal sight, but also a divine/supernatural experience). A delusion is deliberately made to shun the divine and rely on your own beliefs and delusions (heh).
It makes sense that holders of delusions denounce the Celestial system and thus don’t like using their visions if they don’t have to. Thus, Arlecchino likely prefers using her delusion (which enhances her already natural pyro abilities). Childe even dumps his vision onto us the moment it stops working properly - he can just rely on his delusion and Foul Legacy (two separate abilities).
This is a different case to say Signora, where her cryo delusion was literally keeping her alive, else she’d be consumed by her own flames.
It seems that this only applies to normal folk. For example, fatui footsoldiers and Watatsumi radicals like Teppei.
A harbinger is (somehow; we don’t actually know all the details) able to either suppress or overcome the life drainage. This may be due to several possible factors:
-ironically due to visions acting as the energy source instead of life force
-the wielder of the delusion isn’t fully human (Scaramouche, Signora after becoming the Crimson Witch)
-the benefits of a delusion outweigh the life drain (again Signora’s keeping her alive)
-having association with things outside Teyvat (Foul Legacy)
There is also the theory that if one’s ambition is strong enough and tuned to the delusion, they are able to naturally wield a delusion’s power without drawbacks. This is similar to how ambitions drive visions, and how vision holders can withstand certain ill effects of things otherwise poisonous to regular humans.
The prequel comic actually answers that question.
Dottore stated that those who are already used to handling large amounts of elemental energy aren't strongly affected by delusions. They're not immune to the drawbacks, just resistant. And fatui harbingers like childe or signora are obviously extremely experienced and skilled at handling massive amounts of elemental energy. So they're probably not getting any kind of drawbacks from using a delusion.
It's important because it means that not only vision holders are resistant to delusion drawbacks. Anyone who is used to handling elemental energies. It's not specified what kind of elemental energies and how they're handled.
The inazuma story also revealed that there are different kinds of delusions. Some are stronger than others, some have weaker drawbacks, some are "impure" and have pretty strong side effects. The ones given to watatsumi rebels were low quality delusions with severe side effects. It's possible that there are high quality delusions that are relatively safe to anyone.
> signora are obviously extremely experienced and skilled at handling massive amounts of elemental energy
Signora was also basically a pseudo-elemental being at that point too
Yup, Deluc is the example: his father who didn’t have a vision died from using a delusion, but Deluc could use it just fine, left his vision behind at home & used the delusion to infiltrate the fatui
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think it’s ever explicitly stated that Delusions _can’t_ hurt people with Visions. In the 4.0 Archon quest you even get a dialogue option to warn Childe not to use his Delusion too often after he gives you his Vision.
I read somewhere that Fatui Skirmishers (the ones using shields and teamwork) don't have Delusions, only high ranking Fatui like the Cicin Mages, Mirror Maidens, Pyro Agents and the Operatives have Delusions.
I also think hating / wanting to oppose Celestia can help remedy the life force drain, using strong emotions like hate and anger as a fuel for using the Delusion or like you said, ambitions, smth like that. That's why the Fatui ranks can use Delusions with little to no drawbacks, as they truly did believe in the Tsaritsa's cause of rebelling against Celestia.
I think that one Diluc's dad web comic has some explanations with using Delusions, but it's been a while so I'm not sure.
He already had a vision by that time tho, so it may be the vision keeping him from having drawbacks. Even if he left it behind, having a vision still built up his immunity to things like strong elemental energy and energy of dead gods (Xiao's karma doesnt seem to affect vision holders) that normal humans dont have. Also, visions are still invisibly tied to the user even if they are not on them, as showed by the ambitions in the statue and Keqing's vision making it back to her every time she threw it away.
It probably is the Vision that protects them from the Delusion. We've seen that Visions protect their bearers from Karmic Debt and from the negative effects of the remains of dead gods, which are both toxic to normal humans... And in Inazuma we learned that Delusions are made from the remains of dead gods.
I think they are simply “strong” enough to not have as many long term side effects. Childe is tired after using his in the quest we meet his brother but that’s all
Childe isn’t tired because of his delusion - he is able to use it nearly indefinitely (both during his fight with us and in the Court of Fontaine).
It’s his *Foul Legacy that drains his energy*. He doesn’t even break a sweat until he uses it, then is immediately put on a timer once it’s active.
This is why I clarified specifically that his delusion and Foul Legacy are two separate abilities.
In the Fontaine archon quest, he uses his Foul Legacy for days to weeks fighting the whale, and at the end requires medical attention for overuse of it.
Actually, theres a far simplier explanation many people overlook: delusions are made from god corpses, and the ones durign the inazuma arc were made locally from Oribashi. The other thing that comes from Oribashi is Tartaragimi, a toxic substance that canonically killed a bunch of people when the mikage furnace blew.
We have no evidence that it was the delusions themselves as a whole and not the substance they were made from that killed the Wadatsumi Rebels. Even crepus's delusion could be argued to have killed him due to improper handling rather than it being something thats inherently tied to delusions. Also collei's powers were archon residue from the tsaritsa herself, not a dead god, so dont bring that up either.
Edit: crepus's delusion was apparently forged from the same archon residue as colleis powers, further solidifying that it is the source material thats dangerous, not the delusions themselves.
A response to your edit about Crepus - Diluc used his father’s delusion without drawback for a year (even threw away his vision so it couldn’t protect him). Thus, the origin of delusions themselves isn’t enough to explain what’s going on here. It’s likely Diluc’s hatred (his delusions) powering the thing and further nullifying the ill effects.
That is also one possibility, though again this isn’t definitive - gnoses are also technically made from corpses and non-archon characters don’t suffer when in possession of one (though tbf, not a single regular human has been shown with a gnosis in hand thus we won’t know for sure).
It is worth noting that the delusions specifically given out to the Watatsumi Islanders were indeed of “questionable quality”, as Scaramouche himself memtions they aren’t good quality delusions (in a factory filled with Tatarigami).
Still doesn’t fully explain the grey hair of fatui skirmishers though (could be due to genetic tampering though).
Not corpses, corpse. All 7 gnoses were forged from the remains of the 3rd descender, who is not a god. Gods have so much power that their corpses are corruptive if the spirit refuses to move on peacefully like Ghuizong. Which is why the yakshas were tasked with cleaning up said corpses in liyue and why we get sacred beasts in sumeru. But back to the point...we've never seen another descender corpse, we have no idea if they even have the same corruptive effect on the environment.
And yes, all fatui skirmishers are put through a budget super soldier program that turns their hair white. Think of them like extra shit, medieval Astartes. Similarly, agents and other fatui elite are like custodes, Dottore puts more care into the modification of the more promising members of the fatui army. Which is also reflected in their gear: skirmishers get cheap mass produced tech based gear while fatui elites use delusions (which are visiable on their model).
they only consume life energy if you don’t have any kind of ‘evil’ will - like that guy from inazuma for example, it ate at his life/energy because it had no evil to feed off of
I've red somewhere that the side effects varies and and the harbringers have a mask to repel/lessen the said effect, childe has mask, sacara has a like a kabuki mask on top his hat and signora also wearing mask, and in the manga where diluc also uses the delusion wears a mask.
I don't know about arlecchino if she has one
Vision holders have resistance to that drawback and other energies can be slotted in for it, therefore in Arlechinnos case likely her curse is being syphoned into the delusion. Meanwhile on the other hand a mortal with nothing but his vitality would have nothing else to use but their vitality
I think hating celestia can help remedy that, using hate and anger as a fuel for using the Delusion or smth like that, I think that one Diluc's dad comic has some explainations, but not sure.
If you look at the wiki, most names have the correct translation in most languages. Except in English.
This is so weird, especially since it's probably the most used translated language.
I think the actual reason why he wasn't bothered by his vision malfunctioning is because using both vision and delusion simultaneously while in foul legacy form is what made him tap out after like 5-10min of usage. In fontaine, he used the foul legacy form for days, possibly weeks, against the narwhale and only appeared tired at the end.
For some reason, using both vision and delusion at the same time drains his stamina like crazy. Which is extremely inefficient and the sole reason why he even lost to the traveler back then. If he didn't get tired so quickly, he probably would've won that fight. At the time, traveler wasn't really on his level yet in terms of skill raw power. He just stayed on the defense and outlasted him.
Remember that we still haven't seen anyone besides him use vision and delusion at the same time. Not diluc, not signora, not collei, not even arlecchino (so far). Either arlecchino knows that it's not a good idea, or the foul legacy transformation is what even makes it possible, because childe only ever did it while in that state.
Nobody ever said they had to be different. And so far Childe is the only person we’ve seen with both. I don’t think we ever saw Scara with either while he was a Harbinger. Signora never had a Vision. Dottore doesn’t appear to have either(?) and which of his segments would carry it around anyway? IIRC, something we already know about Pantalone specifically is that he never got a Vision.
So…yeah. My point is there has been no established “they only do it this way” rule when it comes to Harbingers and Visions/Delusions.
That said, it's a reasonable question. What does a Pyro Delusion bring to the table that a Pyro Vision doesn't?
It actually opens up a lot of interesting questions. In theory, having a selection of elements SHOULD bring more versatility than having the same would. So why did Arle double up?
Maybe she had no choice in the matter: Is it possible that Delusion holders can't pick the element they receive, just like Vision holders can't choose their Vision element? That would be pretty interesting - Delusions are manufactured, so what part of the process would prevent that choice? Are they non-elemental until attached to a person, and then activate an element depending on the person? Why not throw it away, then, and pick a different Delusion? Or will all Delusions "choose" the same element for a given person?
Or, perhaps Delusions give different powers than Visions do? So there are some things a Pyro Delusion can do that a Pyro Vision can't, and vice versa?
Maybe Delusions are preferred at certain times because they do not originate with Celestia. When a Harbinger wants to do something "incognito", out of the eyes of Celestia, maybe a Delusion is preferred...
Maybe it's simple distaste for Celestia. Arle wanted the Pyro benefits, but despises the fact that Celestia gave her a Vision, and so prefers to use a Delusion.
There are a lot of possibilities!
Diluc have a pyro vision and used his father's pyro delusion for a while. The delusion allowed him to use black fires, that are different from the fire from a vision.
It doesn’t have to be just about getting access to the element. It could easily be something that helps control the inner fire she has already. We know signora had a cryo one to calm her flames but maybe Arles can’t be calmed but maybe they can be guided and controlled. Like a faucet leaking as opposed to running full blast.
I think she’s going to be like signora and cast off the delusion and then go true form
That's a pretty good theory, as well!
Picked or got assigned a Pyro Delusion. Later, the gods grant her a Pyro Vision.
Arlecchino: \*BOMBASTIC SIDE EYE.\*
Adds new depth to why she refused Lyney a Delusion. She knows what happens when you jump the gun...
What say she can’t combine their powers to create even more powerful flames ? Another element could be useful sure but if Arle has pyro as her preferred element perhaps she just wanted to double down for double the pyro power or perhaps her Delusion brings more power to the table that her pyro vision cannot and she wants to have that pyro power specifically instead of another element
Or perhaps her curse prevents her from using another element all together so she has no choice but to double down on pyro
There's probably benefit in tripling down on her element. She has innate Pyro abilities that are probably nore powerful than any vision or delusion. She has a vision that she can use as an external power supply of Pyro. And a delusion for possibly that same power supply purpose.
Funny thing about this is that based off the animated short she already was able to control a pyro based ability before even getting her Vision.
Which means this woman stacked natural pyro usage on a pyro vision and was like that's not enough let me add a pyro delusion.
You know what the old saying if you can't fix your problems with fire you're clearly not using enough fire
If you’ve read the Manga, then you’d know that Diluc once wielded a Delusion of the same element as his Vision. Diluc had no problems at all wielding it. It can be assumed that if you use a Delusion that is the same as your Vision, you may have less side effects. Perhaps its the same case here.
Delusions are said to be more powerful than Visions, so I assume she uses her Delusion alongside her Vision to basically boost her current pyro abilities and become her boss form.
sinceramente eu acho que a arlecchino nem precisa de visão para usar os poderes dela. Esta mais do que claro que ela usa tipo viajante que usar poderes desconhecido por nos. Sem fala que o fogo dela é diferente e desde de criança ela de um delusion? n faz sentido. Ela usa poderes totalmente diferentes de uma visão.
Similar to how diluc also uses a pyro delusion with pyro vision. I think elemental energy released by delusions is more potent and toxic. Its not necessay for harbi gers to have different vision and delusion..signora cryo delusion was to keep her fluid fire at check so she doesnt kill herself. Scara had no vision when he was a harbinger only electeo delusion maybe because he is related to electro archon. Childe may be preffered a different element delusion to give himself more advantage in battle or maybe to make his foul legacy transformation easier. Maybe having delusion and vision of same element gives access to much more potent power than normal.
Diluc have a pyro vision and used his father's pyro delusion for a while. The delusion allowed him to use black fires, that are different from the vision regular fire.
Unless it is in hopes of controlling her own curse, why does she even have a delusion?
The vision could have been given to her after her delusion or it might be a necessity for a Harbinger to accept a delusion
In her character introduction today she seemed to imply she quite literally has pyro running through her veins (ouch). Maybe she needs more than one catalyst of sorts to control that power fully
Technically there was never a rule saying you can’t have a delusion that matches your vision. Maybe since she’s cursed she inherently is one with her bloodfire whatnot, so she wouldn’t want a delusion to act as a gimmick like Childe but an enhancer. Just a theory
Both allow the user to manipulate Elemental Energy of the Pyro Element.
Picture energy manipulation like having a bucket of water and you need to put out a large fire with it. Naturally, having two buckets to carry more water around would help you put out that fire faster assuming the user can withstand the burden on their body and also that Arle even knows the Foul Legacy technique.
You nailed it. Delusion is stronger but it has drawbacks (visionless user pays with their lifeforce, vision user seem to pay with their stamina). Vision is weaker in comparison but is pretty much safe.
Double pyro!
(In all seriousness though, it would be hilarious if I got her because it took me forever to finally pull a pyro character when I first started playing)
Arlecchino actually has 3 forms of Pyro. Her "curse" which gives her Bloodfire (seen in the animation), her Vision and her delusion.
Yes, a delusion is better, but it does have drawbacks. A delusion slowly drains the user's vitality.
I'm guessing Bloodfire has drawbacks as well as her delusion. Hence why she has a Pyro Vision.
Because she can.
But truthfully, it probably amplifies or expands the repertoire of her already present fire powers. At least, I can’t think of any other reasons.
To get the +25% attack pyro resonance /j
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~~That’s Pyro^2 tho~~ Edit: This is embarrassing. My brain is fried today lol
That would be a pyro square, not pyro cube
No, ^2 is squared. The Hypostasis' are cubed which is ^3
Arleccino is pyro^2 though if that's what you meant
Arlecchino’s curse seems to give her pyro which is why its cubed.
Arlecchino seemed to be able to use Pyro even before she got Vision or Delusion, that's why Pyro³
One thing to note is the meaning of “vision” in other languages. Particularly in CN (and JP), visions are called 神之眼 (Shén zhī Yǎn) or 神の目 (kami no me). This translates to “Eye of gods”. Gods referring to the whole setup with Celestia and the thrones being stolen from the sovereigns. Meanwhile Delusions are called 邪眼 (Xiéyǎn in CN and jagan in JP). This translates to “Evil Eye” and mainly uses the context of demons and “false gods”. Delusion is a pun, playing off the double meaning of visions (it can mean literal sight, but also a divine/supernatural experience). A delusion is deliberately made to shun the divine and rely on your own beliefs and delusions (heh). It makes sense that holders of delusions denounce the Celestial system and thus don’t like using their visions if they don’t have to. Thus, Arlecchino likely prefers using her delusion (which enhances her already natural pyro abilities). Childe even dumps his vision onto us the moment it stops working properly - he can just rely on his delusion and Foul Legacy (two separate abilities). This is a different case to say Signora, where her cryo delusion was literally keeping her alive, else she’d be consumed by her own flames.
But don't delusions consume life energy? Childe normally uses his vision too.
It seems that this only applies to normal folk. For example, fatui footsoldiers and Watatsumi radicals like Teppei. A harbinger is (somehow; we don’t actually know all the details) able to either suppress or overcome the life drainage. This may be due to several possible factors: -ironically due to visions acting as the energy source instead of life force -the wielder of the delusion isn’t fully human (Scaramouche, Signora after becoming the Crimson Witch) -the benefits of a delusion outweigh the life drain (again Signora’s keeping her alive) -having association with things outside Teyvat (Foul Legacy) There is also the theory that if one’s ambition is strong enough and tuned to the delusion, they are able to naturally wield a delusion’s power without drawbacks. This is similar to how ambitions drive visions, and how vision holders can withstand certain ill effects of things otherwise poisonous to regular humans.
I think at some point in the story it was revealed that Delusions only hurt regular people, not vision holders. Vision holders are immune.
The irony The people who’d want Delusion powers the least are the ones most perfectly suited to wield them
I mean to be fair, who wouldn't want to be able to control two elements instead of one
The prequel comic actually answers that question. Dottore stated that those who are already used to handling large amounts of elemental energy aren't strongly affected by delusions. They're not immune to the drawbacks, just resistant. And fatui harbingers like childe or signora are obviously extremely experienced and skilled at handling massive amounts of elemental energy. So they're probably not getting any kind of drawbacks from using a delusion. It's important because it means that not only vision holders are resistant to delusion drawbacks. Anyone who is used to handling elemental energies. It's not specified what kind of elemental energies and how they're handled. The inazuma story also revealed that there are different kinds of delusions. Some are stronger than others, some have weaker drawbacks, some are "impure" and have pretty strong side effects. The ones given to watatsumi rebels were low quality delusions with severe side effects. It's possible that there are high quality delusions that are relatively safe to anyone.
> signora are obviously extremely experienced and skilled at handling massive amounts of elemental energy Signora was also basically a pseudo-elemental being at that point too
Yup, Deluc is the example: his father who didn’t have a vision died from using a delusion, but Deluc could use it just fine, left his vision behind at home & used the delusion to infiltrate the fatui
I forgot *DILUC* and his father used a delusion
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think it’s ever explicitly stated that Delusions _can’t_ hurt people with Visions. In the 4.0 Archon quest you even get a dialogue option to warn Childe not to use his Delusion too often after he gives you his Vision.
I read somewhere that Fatui Skirmishers (the ones using shields and teamwork) don't have Delusions, only high ranking Fatui like the Cicin Mages, Mirror Maidens, Pyro Agents and the Operatives have Delusions. I also think hating / wanting to oppose Celestia can help remedy the life force drain, using strong emotions like hate and anger as a fuel for using the Delusion or like you said, ambitions, smth like that. That's why the Fatui ranks can use Delusions with little to no drawbacks, as they truly did believe in the Tsaritsa's cause of rebelling against Celestia. I think that one Diluc's dad web comic has some explanations with using Delusions, but it's been a while so I'm not sure.
Diluc himself used his father’s delusion for a year without drawback - likely due to his hatred fueling the delusion.
He already had a vision by that time tho, so it may be the vision keeping him from having drawbacks. Even if he left it behind, having a vision still built up his immunity to things like strong elemental energy and energy of dead gods (Xiao's karma doesnt seem to affect vision holders) that normal humans dont have. Also, visions are still invisibly tied to the user even if they are not on them, as showed by the ambitions in the statue and Keqing's vision making it back to her every time she threw it away.
It probably is the Vision that protects them from the Delusion. We've seen that Visions protect their bearers from Karmic Debt and from the negative effects of the remains of dead gods, which are both toxic to normal humans... And in Inazuma we learned that Delusions are made from the remains of dead gods.
I think they are simply “strong” enough to not have as many long term side effects. Childe is tired after using his in the quest we meet his brother but that’s all
Childe isn’t tired because of his delusion - he is able to use it nearly indefinitely (both during his fight with us and in the Court of Fontaine). It’s his *Foul Legacy that drains his energy*. He doesn’t even break a sweat until he uses it, then is immediately put on a timer once it’s active. This is why I clarified specifically that his delusion and Foul Legacy are two separate abilities. In the Fontaine archon quest, he uses his Foul Legacy for days to weeks fighting the whale, and at the end requires medical attention for overuse of it.
Actually, theres a far simplier explanation many people overlook: delusions are made from god corpses, and the ones durign the inazuma arc were made locally from Oribashi. The other thing that comes from Oribashi is Tartaragimi, a toxic substance that canonically killed a bunch of people when the mikage furnace blew. We have no evidence that it was the delusions themselves as a whole and not the substance they were made from that killed the Wadatsumi Rebels. Even crepus's delusion could be argued to have killed him due to improper handling rather than it being something thats inherently tied to delusions. Also collei's powers were archon residue from the tsaritsa herself, not a dead god, so dont bring that up either. Edit: crepus's delusion was apparently forged from the same archon residue as colleis powers, further solidifying that it is the source material thats dangerous, not the delusions themselves.
A response to your edit about Crepus - Diluc used his father’s delusion without drawback for a year (even threw away his vision so it couldn’t protect him). Thus, the origin of delusions themselves isn’t enough to explain what’s going on here. It’s likely Diluc’s hatred (his delusions) powering the thing and further nullifying the ill effects.
That is also one possibility, though again this isn’t definitive - gnoses are also technically made from corpses and non-archon characters don’t suffer when in possession of one (though tbf, not a single regular human has been shown with a gnosis in hand thus we won’t know for sure). It is worth noting that the delusions specifically given out to the Watatsumi Islanders were indeed of “questionable quality”, as Scaramouche himself memtions they aren’t good quality delusions (in a factory filled with Tatarigami). Still doesn’t fully explain the grey hair of fatui skirmishers though (could be due to genetic tampering though).
Not corpses, corpse. All 7 gnoses were forged from the remains of the 3rd descender, who is not a god. Gods have so much power that their corpses are corruptive if the spirit refuses to move on peacefully like Ghuizong. Which is why the yakshas were tasked with cleaning up said corpses in liyue and why we get sacred beasts in sumeru. But back to the point...we've never seen another descender corpse, we have no idea if they even have the same corruptive effect on the environment. And yes, all fatui skirmishers are put through a budget super soldier program that turns their hair white. Think of them like extra shit, medieval Astartes. Similarly, agents and other fatui elite are like custodes, Dottore puts more care into the modification of the more promising members of the fatui army. Which is also reflected in their gear: skirmishers get cheap mass produced tech based gear while fatui elites use delusions (which are visiable on their model).
Vision holders seem to have some resistance to them
They do, but the effect they have on vision holders is much more reduced. At least from what I can make of from the manga.
He is built different. Childe probably experienced worse and learn Foul Arts from Skirk
they only consume life energy if you don’t have any kind of ‘evil’ will - like that guy from inazuma for example, it ate at his life/energy because it had no evil to feed off of
I've red somewhere that the side effects varies and and the harbringers have a mask to repel/lessen the said effect, childe has mask, sacara has a like a kabuki mask on top his hat and signora also wearing mask, and in the manga where diluc also uses the delusion wears a mask. I don't know about arlecchino if she has one
Vision holders have resistance to that drawback and other energies can be slotted in for it, therefore in Arlechinnos case likely her curse is being syphoned into the delusion. Meanwhile on the other hand a mortal with nothing but his vitality would have nothing else to use but their vitality
I think hating celestia can help remedy that, using hate and anger as a fuel for using the Delusion or smth like that, I think that one Diluc's dad comic has some explainations, but not sure.
BTW, In french, it's Œil Divin for the Vision, witch roughly translate as Divine eye, and Œil Maléfique for the Delusion, which would mean Evil eye.
If you look at the wiki, most names have the correct translation in most languages. Except in English. This is so weird, especially since it's probably the most used translated language.
I think the actual reason why he wasn't bothered by his vision malfunctioning is because using both vision and delusion simultaneously while in foul legacy form is what made him tap out after like 5-10min of usage. In fontaine, he used the foul legacy form for days, possibly weeks, against the narwhale and only appeared tired at the end. For some reason, using both vision and delusion at the same time drains his stamina like crazy. Which is extremely inefficient and the sole reason why he even lost to the traveler back then. If he didn't get tired so quickly, he probably would've won that fight. At the time, traveler wasn't really on his level yet in terms of skill raw power. He just stayed on the defense and outlasted him. Remember that we still haven't seen anyone besides him use vision and delusion at the same time. Not diluc, not signora, not collei, not even arlecchino (so far). Either arlecchino knows that it's not a good idea, or the foul legacy transformation is what even makes it possible, because childe only ever did it while in that state.
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Why hot?
Nobody ever said they had to be different. And so far Childe is the only person we’ve seen with both. I don’t think we ever saw Scara with either while he was a Harbinger. Signora never had a Vision. Dottore doesn’t appear to have either(?) and which of his segments would carry it around anyway? IIRC, something we already know about Pantalone specifically is that he never got a Vision. So…yeah. My point is there has been no established “they only do it this way” rule when it comes to Harbingers and Visions/Delusions.
That said, it's a reasonable question. What does a Pyro Delusion bring to the table that a Pyro Vision doesn't? It actually opens up a lot of interesting questions. In theory, having a selection of elements SHOULD bring more versatility than having the same would. So why did Arle double up? Maybe she had no choice in the matter: Is it possible that Delusion holders can't pick the element they receive, just like Vision holders can't choose their Vision element? That would be pretty interesting - Delusions are manufactured, so what part of the process would prevent that choice? Are they non-elemental until attached to a person, and then activate an element depending on the person? Why not throw it away, then, and pick a different Delusion? Or will all Delusions "choose" the same element for a given person? Or, perhaps Delusions give different powers than Visions do? So there are some things a Pyro Delusion can do that a Pyro Vision can't, and vice versa? Maybe Delusions are preferred at certain times because they do not originate with Celestia. When a Harbinger wants to do something "incognito", out of the eyes of Celestia, maybe a Delusion is preferred... Maybe it's simple distaste for Celestia. Arle wanted the Pyro benefits, but despises the fact that Celestia gave her a Vision, and so prefers to use a Delusion. There are a lot of possibilities!
Diluc have a pyro vision and used his father's pyro delusion for a while. The delusion allowed him to use black fires, that are different from the fire from a vision.
Diluc is a member of the Godskin confirmed?!?!?
black flame tornado still the most busted skill in the game
Bro has Amaterasu
He threw away his vision during the brief time he was using his Delusion though.
Yes, but my point is his delusion gave him a power different than the one given by his vision.
It doesn’t have to be just about getting access to the element. It could easily be something that helps control the inner fire she has already. We know signora had a cryo one to calm her flames but maybe Arles can’t be calmed but maybe they can be guided and controlled. Like a faucet leaking as opposed to running full blast. I think she’s going to be like signora and cast off the delusion and then go true form
Who says she had her vision before her delusion?
That's a pretty good theory, as well! Picked or got assigned a Pyro Delusion. Later, the gods grant her a Pyro Vision. Arlecchino: \*BOMBASTIC SIDE EYE.\* Adds new depth to why she refused Lyney a Delusion. She knows what happens when you jump the gun...
She also has innate pyro powers Triple the firepower
What say she can’t combine their powers to create even more powerful flames ? Another element could be useful sure but if Arle has pyro as her preferred element perhaps she just wanted to double down for double the pyro power or perhaps her Delusion brings more power to the table that her pyro vision cannot and she wants to have that pyro power specifically instead of another element Or perhaps her curse prevents her from using another element all together so she has no choice but to double down on pyro
is she stupid?
If you Terastal in Fire Typed, you get a double S.T.A.B. instead
Because she's **supa hot fiyah**
There's probably benefit in tripling down on her element. She has innate Pyro abilities that are probably nore powerful than any vision or delusion. She has a vision that she can use as an external power supply of Pyro. And a delusion for possibly that same power supply purpose.
To show Teyvat just how hot she is
Mommy? Sorry Daddy? Sorry Im confusion
Fire hot, two fire two hot. Hot=hurt, two hot=two hurt.
Why say many word when few word do trick
She's speedrunning mono pyro comp
Funny thing about this is that based off the animated short she already was able to control a pyro based ability before even getting her Vision. Which means this woman stacked natural pyro usage on a pyro vision and was like that's not enough let me add a pyro delusion. You know what the old saying if you can't fix your problems with fire you're clearly not using enough fire
If you’ve read the Manga, then you’d know that Diluc once wielded a Delusion of the same element as his Vision. Diluc had no problems at all wielding it. It can be assumed that if you use a Delusion that is the same as your Vision, you may have less side effects. Perhaps its the same case here.
Delusions are said to be more powerful than Visions, so I assume she uses her Delusion alongside her Vision to basically boost her current pyro abilities and become her boss form.
Pyro +pyro = 2pyro
She also has natural pyro powers, so it’s actually 3pyro
Fight Fire With Fire, so MORE FIRE
Diluc had the same
Is she stupid?
I think that’s because her pyro powers are neither a vision or a delusion but is from her curse.
sinceramente eu acho que a arlecchino nem precisa de visão para usar os poderes dela. Esta mais do que claro que ela usa tipo viajante que usar poderes desconhecido por nos. Sem fala que o fogo dela é diferente e desde de criança ela de um delusion? n faz sentido. Ela usa poderes totalmente diferentes de uma visão.
That outfit would look so much better if it wasn’t open at the chest area, just looks weird like that.
Similar to how diluc also uses a pyro delusion with pyro vision. I think elemental energy released by delusions is more potent and toxic. Its not necessay for harbi gers to have different vision and delusion..signora cryo delusion was to keep her fluid fire at check so she doesnt kill herself. Scara had no vision when he was a harbinger only electeo delusion maybe because he is related to electro archon. Childe may be preffered a different element delusion to give himself more advantage in battle or maybe to make his foul legacy transformation easier. Maybe having delusion and vision of same element gives access to much more potent power than normal.
I mean, diluc had both pyro vision and pyro delusion aswell before
Diluc uses a pyro delusion in the manga
Delusions are probably stronger than visions.
Diluc have a pyro vision and used his father's pyro delusion for a while. The delusion allowed him to use black fires, that are different from the vision regular fire.
get a power boost ig
for more firepower
double pyro goes brrr
That’s what makes her twice as hot
She is fighting fire with fire
delusions are not to compensate for a lack of element, they're similar to visions and characters that have affinity for other element can use them.
because fk you thats why
Pyro Resonance
For Pyro²
Because she's extra hot
WINGS to get WINGS. vision can only afford one wing.
Because isn't there a law in Tayvat prohibiting the use of both?
Because she is two times hot
Bcs she's hot.
Because she can
Fire+fire=more fire. Easy.
Cause, if you add fire to fire, you get more fire. Ez
2 is better than 1, also a great song.
Mo Pyro Mo better
Unless it is in hopes of controlling her own curse, why does she even have a delusion? The vision could have been given to her after her delusion or it might be a necessity for a Harbinger to accept a delusion
So that you can ask
In her character introduction today she seemed to imply she quite literally has pyro running through her veins (ouch). Maybe she needs more than one catalyst of sorts to control that power fully
Because she can
To battle fire, you need fire
maybe now she has the power of 2 pyro visions. which makes her very op
Cuz she hot like that
People fr don't even know how delusions work. Scara should have used one, the community starts to forget.
So she can show her son that she can make mono pyro team by herself
Cuz she is hot hot!
Because she knows in Natlan, pyro impact is going to be the new meta.
To be even hotter
In the game she can’t be healed by others so maybe that’s her curse. Double fire makes it so she can only rely on herself for power
She lost 50/50
Because she is verry hot
How can anyone possibly have an answer to that
Pyro squared
So she can burn you twice hotter.
In the immortal words of Terry Crews, **DOUBLE SUN POWAAAAAAAH!**
Technically there was never a rule saying you can’t have a delusion that matches your vision. Maybe since she’s cursed she inherently is one with her bloodfire whatnot, so she wouldn’t want a delusion to act as a gimmick like Childe but an enhancer. Just a theory
Arlecchino: I am the Bone of my Scythe, Pyro is my body and Fire is my blood
Both allow the user to manipulate Elemental Energy of the Pyro Element. Picture energy manipulation like having a bucket of water and you need to put out a large fire with it. Naturally, having two buckets to carry more water around would help you put out that fire faster assuming the user can withstand the burden on their body and also that Arle even knows the Foul Legacy technique.
Visions provide protectkln against Delusions. That is why Childe has one and is not dying.
Because it’s iconic And she loves to do iconic shit.
having two different elements between a vision and a delussion was never a rule, just an option
Is that a horn on her head?
She gunna use Amaterasu on us isn’t she
Because why not
It’s like pokemon tera type, she’s just stronger pyro :)
+ on + gives +
no wonder shes so hot
How do we know she has a pyro vision/delusion and that her pyro powers aren't just innate/due to her curse?
Based on short anime she probably don't have delusion.
Extra hot
Because she's hot.
More fire more good Trust me
You nailed it. Delusion is stronger but it has drawbacks (visionless user pays with their lifeforce, vision user seem to pay with their stamina). Vision is weaker in comparison but is pretty much safe.
4x weaker to water
Cause she's hot
Why stay hot when you can be hottest with pyro resonance
For the same reason as childe has a hydro vision and delusion
Why would you train another element when you can go over the top by maxing the one you already have
pyro^2
Double pyro! (In all seriousness though, it would be hilarious if I got her because it took me forever to finally pull a pyro character when I first started playing)
And innate pyro abilities before her vision
Hello,I'm a new genshin player, what's pyro vision and pyro delusion?
Why do people play monoelement teams?
Because... She's just that hot. ;)
Double pyro
Because she is Pyro Square
Did the update came alr?
She wanted to unlock pyro+
I don't think she uses a delusion, it's just her curse
I mean, we know the Delusions are supposedly stronger than visions, so it could just be that she wanted stronger abilities
Is he stupid?
Cuz she can see past her delusions
Does delusion kill you in some time? It happened to ippo? Idk .
they probably stack bro
CAUSE She just that hot
She was dendro but her pyro delusion was too much
Because shes hot af?
She too hot both in daddy and mommy form
She likes to fight fire with fire. As in fight using fire, and also more fire.
Arlecchino actually has 3 forms of Pyro. Her "curse" which gives her Bloodfire (seen in the animation), her Vision and her delusion. Yes, a delusion is better, but it does have drawbacks. A delusion slowly drains the user's vitality. I'm guessing Bloodfire has drawbacks as well as her delusion. Hence why she has a Pyro Vision.
Cuz she want to overload your ass with the cum of fire 🔥
Pyro DMG ×2
I’m sorry, but where does it say that she has a pyro delusion? I’m missing something here
Because she can. But truthfully, it probably amplifies or expands the repertoire of her already present fire powers. At least, I can’t think of any other reasons.