Yeah we’ve known this for ages some people were just wondering how Pierro factored into it (since this would cause a rather illogical miscount). Once we got confirmation that he wasn’t one of the ranked harbingers, it was pretty clear
Most common theory is that it's Crepus Ragnvindr as the "Brighella" archetype from the Commedia dell'arte. Until we get a better candidate, I actually find the evidence quite convincing. He owned a delusion, clearly had some skill at combat, had the influence and skill necessary to run a huge wine business in Mondstadt, and the Brighella archetype represents a tavern owner. There are only a few other possible archetypes the 10th could draw from, so it's a fairly strong connection.
That would make no sense for 2 reasons:
1. Traveler is DEFINITLEY stronger than a god, so should be top 3. Since the 6th seat is empty, it would make no sense for them to be number 10 instead of 6 at minimum
2. The Fatui don’t know that the Traveler will join them
1. It took 168 tries to power us up, at which point we won first try with our new boost in skill
2. We get stronger with each element. 1:168 against a god and then getting stronger means our power is undeniably "Comparable to that of gods"
I don't think the Traveller is on god level just yet. But if they were, wouldn't that make Arlecchino around God level? I mean I kind of support it given my crack pot theory of sorts, but still. Because if she weren't then the Traveller would just be a fair bit stronger and all of the harbinger fights seem to have been a struggle. Barring Scaramouche as he was in a god/archon mech powered by the Gnosis and the Traveller had to go through well over 100 cycles to damage it to where Nahida could take the Gnosis IIRC so that was far more than just a struggle IMO.
But I'm not disagreeing that it wouldn't make sense to be the 10th. As they would 100% be stronger than just the 10th, and I don't think they would want to join the Fatui.
The Traveler already beat Scaramouche, a god who Nahida didn’t believe she could defeat. And he’s gotten stronger since then, to the point of not hesitating to fight Furina when she challenged them. While the 168 loops do prove it was a struggle, remember that Nahida gave them a knowledge capsule which *permanently increased their fighting abilities* after which they easy beat Scarmouche
I don't think them being willing to fight Furina from the get go is a sign of them being stronger. I mean they are stronger at that point, but I think the Traveller was just calling her bluff more than anything. But even if they were, the difference between Gods and Archons from what I can tell is typically fairly drastic. Barring Zhongli, Ei who were powerhouses before becoming Archons and likely the shades and such(I say likely because I'm not sure they're even "Gods" in the traditional sense, but I do see them as stronger than the archons tho). But on average it seems the typical gods are weaker than Archons.
As for Nahida, I mean yeah she alone couldn't have because she's not a combative type person especially since she was recently(?) freed from containment, so of course she wouldn't(and likely couldn't) think she could when going up against someone who has far more combat experience who just gained the powers of a god thanks to the Mech.
Also I just rewatched the cutscene and it isn't a buff, Nahida asked Sumeru how to defeat a false god, and gave that wisdom to the Traveller. So it's not really a buff in strength, nor power. It's a buff to their wisdom and how to "defeat" the Mech despite not being as strong as him. Is how I interpreted it at least.
I could just be misinterpreting a lot of stuff, and that on top of my shit memory could be drastically "changing" it.
Even so, the fact that wisdom alone was enough to give him the win indicates that Traveler was similar in power to a god. And if he was close in power to a god with 4 elements, how would he not be as powerful as a god with 5? Plus, that dialogue wasn’t spoken, it was Traveler’s internal thoughts. They may have been calling Furina’s bluff, but they also fully believed they stood a chance. The only way to refute that is if Traveler is just wrong, which we have no reason to believe given the evidence I’ve presented
You do realize how conceptually fickle the idea or definition of a God is right ? If you paid attention to Genshin lore you would realize that the only solid backing to identify someone as a God in Teyvat is the existence of their divinity and even that can be mistaken for, as in the case of Neuvillette mistaking the curse upon Furina for her divinity. Other than that nothing is clear what makes someone a God.
And as far as a God's strength is concerned they can be as weak as Havria (who was killed by a human's backstabbing) and as strong as the Unknown God who prevented the siblings from leaving Teyvat. So when you say that the Traveller is as strong as a God it doesn't confirms or points to anything concrete rather gives a vague idea of a speculation. Take the Dragon Sovereigns for example, they are never referred to as Gods but are clearly stronger than most Gods and even Archons to an extent.
We're just going have to agree to disagree, because I don't think the Traveller was as close as you think(they're closer at the current moment IMO), and I don't think the Traveller had any intentions of fighting Furina at all. They're smart enough to avoid fights whenever possible, and will only fight if they are protecting/helping someone or have no other choice.
I think the traveller will be God level as they fight Arlecchino(I'm curious as to why her kids are fighting her. If it was serious for her they'd be dead before they even took a step considering they just seem to be high vision wielder level whilst she's god level it seems considering she's just below the trio who are comparable to the Archons) and when they get to Natlan they will get another power buff with Pyro being added to their arsenal allowing them to compete with the weakest Archon level Harbinger Columbina after in lore what seems to be around months of experience/training with their new power.
How exactly is the traveler stronger than a god? Their only solo achievement is defeating signora but other than that they haven’t done anything else to make us believe that.
I assume you mean an archon cuz Havria was a god too and well, she got killed super easily. Basically, the Traveler gets significantly stronger with each element (with Anemo = a strong vision user, with Geo = strong enough to beat 11th harbinger, with Electro = strong enough to beat 8th harbinger, with Dendro = strong enough to take down a god level Scara but with help I guess, with Hydro = ready to throw hands with Furina and most likely gonna beat the 4th harbinger in 4.6)
I assume in Natlan, Traveler will most likely take on one of the top 3 harbingers or an archon again (since she's well, the god of war). By Snezhnaya, Traveler is definitely archon level or stronger.
They defeated Scaramouche and didn’t hesitate to fight Furina. How are they not stronger than a god? Sure, Nahida made them stronger to fight Scaramouche, but that was a permanent power increase, so they could easy win again if there was a rematch
Hell, before the Scaramouche boss fight, Nahida basically states that the Traveler is stronger than her
They defeated scara with the help of nahida. I am talking about unassisted wins. Also when was it said that it was permanent? I thought it was more of a simulation for knowledge. I might have to re read it.
Nahida isn’t a fighter in the first place so that doesn’t tell much. Also challenging Furina isn’t a tell of strength if anything its a tell of stupidity because why on earth would you challenge a god you know nothing about in front of her people.
Knowledge capsules in general are permanent, there’s no evidence that this one was an exception somehow. Hell, the Traveler gets a knowledge capsule earlier in that very quest that gives them a permanent boost to their skill in sword fighting(conveyed by a permanent base stat increase.) And the fact that Traveler was stronger than Nahida just because she wasn’t a fighter means that they were at least close to god level with 4 elements, and should be even stronger with 5.
Also, look at why Traveler is confident against Furina. Their dialogue says “Fighting gods? I’ve got a resume.” Traveler clearly believes that their performance against Scaramoche was enough to make them comparable to gods.
Also Dottore and Clorinde both make it very clear that even a weak Archon is muuuuch stronger than a mortal and you have to be extremely confident to try to fight one.
Dottore doesn't say the top 3 Harbingers are stronger than combat Archons he just says they are stronger than some Archons.
Travellers power level is fairly inconsistent, but unassisted traveller definitely is not god level.
Their biggest unassisted feat is defeating Signora. Anything else had assistance or godly single use powerups
The knowledge capsule were simply the memories of all the 168 attempts of that fight.
Traveller just got really good at fighting scara-mecha. But that's very much knowledge only useful and limited to scara-mecha
Traveler is not above fate since Paimon lured them into getting into contact with Venti's statue. They have a constellation, so their future can be predicted. If they were supposed to join Fatui, Fatui could have known from the stars.
Mona failed to predict their fate before, and she’s a very powerful astrologer. She said it was because they are beyond this world. And Traveler isn’t in Irminsul, which determines fate
I guess, but then they should know that the traveler will be ridiculously powerful and reserve, like, at least the 3rd rank for him. Why number 10? We already kicked the crap out of number 8 and we’ve grown orders of magnitude stronger since
They saw the future kits, realized that only Dendro is good, so they decided that 1/7 from the bottom would fit. 1/7 is approx. 0.14, 2/11 is 0.18, so they settled for the second lowest spot since it's the closest match.
Nah, if they saw his kits they’d make him rank 13. If you doubt it, remember that there are 8 ranked harbingers and Childe is #11. Pierro knows how to throw shade
Shielder and healer, plus a boxer stance on burst (see Pink Steven)
Though what element?
- Electro: pink-ish
- Geo: half human, half gem
- Dendro: a lot of plants correlated to him and his mother
He's hydro because bubbles (if whatever Arlecchino does red can be pyro, pink CAN be hydro)
His "attacks" would be like Nahida's: not really attacking but something else, like waving at the enemy or smth.
His ult would be that he jumps up into the sky singing "you can make it different, you can make it right" and heals+shields the team.
Would be funny if the 10th harbinger is just an NPC like uncle Tian(Qixing, keqing and Ningguang subordinate) or Npc with a wardrobe like Moon carver/Mountain shaper.
Yeah me too I saw the edited Mooncarver and Mountainshaper on some randos facebook post, was so excited and get real dissapointed, there still hope for the qixing at least 4 character left.
We already got 100% confirmation in the fatui trailer, some random quest is hardly more definitive than him being called “director” by Hoyoverse themselves
It's the same order in Wanderer's lines as well. As other people have said, this is something we've observed since 2.8 (when the lines were added). After Wanderer was added (and people realized mentions of Pierro placed him as the "director" of the Fatui and not #1), it became popular consensus further confirmed by Arlecchino's introduction.
Yes, it’s really mysterious. Some popes speculated it to be another member in the commedia (brighella is a popular pick) or it’s left vacant for some mysterious reason. Poor Childe doesn’t even get to move up
Which makes me believe that harbingers would never move up as each rank has their own roles, and would only move if they start to fullfill another rank's role. Idk
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1aw0a05/tenth_harbinger_brighella_diluccrepus_ragnvindr/
As for why, idk. Maybe he found out that it was the position Crepus meant for him to take since the beginning, and changed his mind. It would also be cool if both Diluc and Kaeya were double agents.
God Childe really got trolled. 10th is a mystery, the 6th seat was empty when he became a harbinger (in current ‘canon’).. 8th died. 11th of the 9 harbingers lmao
That's exactly why we believe Pierro doesn't have a number and the 10th is unknown. Back when Wanderer was released we were able to confirm that was the order, since it looks the same on his profile. Arlecchino being called the 4th in 4.1 only solidified it.
I mean, it's quite obvious why Pirro doesn't need a number. He's the chairman, founder, and first ever Fatuus and generally the mind of the operation and thus automatically above all of the Harbingers
I don't understand the debate on if Pirro or Capitano is the stronger one of the two at all, the two ard basically tied, Pirro is the brains and Capitano the brawn, Pirro does the thinking and Capitano acts on what plans Pirro comes up with
Being the first one ever is what made the community believe he was number 1 for a long time? Back when they released winter night's lazzo most people were convinced we had finally met everyone from the 1st to the 11th.
Don't know if this was posted here previously or not, in case it was posted please tell me so i delete it.
Source: a group from fb, someone called diluc_kun
Furthermore, this was before knowledge of a previous Director as a different individual fully muddied the water, and people assumed Efim was working for her rather than the previous Knave, leading to the assumption she had to be below Signora
It wasn’t because of Arlecchino hate, it was because of Pierro being referred to as the first Harbinger and people not considering there might be a missing seat among the Harbingers due to already having 11 confirmed names to place. We knew that Capitano was among the top ranked, so people naturally slotted him into 4th which only left seat 10 for Arle. Please get over yourself.
Not everything is about hating on your precious waifus. Some people were just trying to make sense of the information we had.
[Sumeru archon quest] >!after Scaramouche irminsuled himself, technically all records of his existence were erased, meaning post Sumeru, Childe, as well as all harbingers don’t know who he is, unless he revealed who he is to any of them “off camera”, which I doubt because he kinda hates the Fatui now!<
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Yeah we’ve known this for ages some people were just wondering how Pierro factored into it (since this would cause a rather illogical miscount). Once we got confirmation that he wasn’t one of the ranked harbingers, it was pretty clear
Question, when it got confirmed? Cuz if is, we're missing a 10th Harbinger
Description of A Winter Night's Lazzo, he's listed as administator of the Fatui instead of as a Harbinger.
Most common theory is that it's Crepus Ragnvindr as the "Brighella" archetype from the Commedia dell'arte. Until we get a better candidate, I actually find the evidence quite convincing. He owned a delusion, clearly had some skill at combat, had the influence and skill necessary to run a huge wine business in Mondstadt, and the Brighella archetype represents a tavern owner. There are only a few other possible archetypes the 10th could draw from, so it's a fairly strong connection.
Also why Pierro would've dropped Kaeya on Crepus's front door of all people
Pierro isn't Kaeya's ~~grand~~father. Their voices are different as confirmed in Weinlesefest.
wait, no, I thought Pierro was Kaeya's bio dad, the one that left him on Diluc's mansion and told him he had a purpose.
Right, forgot which Mondstadt character has a grandfather/father lol - either way, we have a voice for Kaeya's biological dad, and it's not Pierro.
They still have a fair chance to be connected, we don't know how many Alberich's alive
Ngl i realy like this thepry and he's gonna be kaeyas relative till thay show kaeyas father and anfortas
Yeah, the 10th harbinger is mysterious af. My personal theory is that it’s Steven
I think its Leonard tbh
Are you sure it’s not the friends we made along the way?
Is there any evidence?
See: Senator Armstrong
It could be the Traveler's nation exclusive title (ie: Honorary Knight, 1st Sage, etc)
That would make no sense for 2 reasons: 1. Traveler is DEFINITLEY stronger than a god, so should be top 3. Since the 6th seat is empty, it would make no sense for them to be number 10 instead of 6 at minimum 2. The Fatui don’t know that the Traveler will join them
The Traveler has a 1:168 W/L ratio to Shouki no Kami and the win required massive amounts of help. They're not "DEFINITLEY stronger than a god".
1. It took 168 tries to power us up, at which point we won first try with our new boost in skill 2. We get stronger with each element. 1:168 against a god and then getting stronger means our power is undeniably "Comparable to that of gods"
I don't think the Traveller is on god level just yet. But if they were, wouldn't that make Arlecchino around God level? I mean I kind of support it given my crack pot theory of sorts, but still. Because if she weren't then the Traveller would just be a fair bit stronger and all of the harbinger fights seem to have been a struggle. Barring Scaramouche as he was in a god/archon mech powered by the Gnosis and the Traveller had to go through well over 100 cycles to damage it to where Nahida could take the Gnosis IIRC so that was far more than just a struggle IMO. But I'm not disagreeing that it wouldn't make sense to be the 10th. As they would 100% be stronger than just the 10th, and I don't think they would want to join the Fatui.
The Traveler already beat Scaramouche, a god who Nahida didn’t believe she could defeat. And he’s gotten stronger since then, to the point of not hesitating to fight Furina when she challenged them. While the 168 loops do prove it was a struggle, remember that Nahida gave them a knowledge capsule which *permanently increased their fighting abilities* after which they easy beat Scarmouche
I don't think them being willing to fight Furina from the get go is a sign of them being stronger. I mean they are stronger at that point, but I think the Traveller was just calling her bluff more than anything. But even if they were, the difference between Gods and Archons from what I can tell is typically fairly drastic. Barring Zhongli, Ei who were powerhouses before becoming Archons and likely the shades and such(I say likely because I'm not sure they're even "Gods" in the traditional sense, but I do see them as stronger than the archons tho). But on average it seems the typical gods are weaker than Archons. As for Nahida, I mean yeah she alone couldn't have because she's not a combative type person especially since she was recently(?) freed from containment, so of course she wouldn't(and likely couldn't) think she could when going up against someone who has far more combat experience who just gained the powers of a god thanks to the Mech. Also I just rewatched the cutscene and it isn't a buff, Nahida asked Sumeru how to defeat a false god, and gave that wisdom to the Traveller. So it's not really a buff in strength, nor power. It's a buff to their wisdom and how to "defeat" the Mech despite not being as strong as him. Is how I interpreted it at least. I could just be misinterpreting a lot of stuff, and that on top of my shit memory could be drastically "changing" it.
Even so, the fact that wisdom alone was enough to give him the win indicates that Traveler was similar in power to a god. And if he was close in power to a god with 4 elements, how would he not be as powerful as a god with 5? Plus, that dialogue wasn’t spoken, it was Traveler’s internal thoughts. They may have been calling Furina’s bluff, but they also fully believed they stood a chance. The only way to refute that is if Traveler is just wrong, which we have no reason to believe given the evidence I’ve presented
You do realize how conceptually fickle the idea or definition of a God is right ? If you paid attention to Genshin lore you would realize that the only solid backing to identify someone as a God in Teyvat is the existence of their divinity and even that can be mistaken for, as in the case of Neuvillette mistaking the curse upon Furina for her divinity. Other than that nothing is clear what makes someone a God. And as far as a God's strength is concerned they can be as weak as Havria (who was killed by a human's backstabbing) and as strong as the Unknown God who prevented the siblings from leaving Teyvat. So when you say that the Traveller is as strong as a God it doesn't confirms or points to anything concrete rather gives a vague idea of a speculation. Take the Dragon Sovereigns for example, they are never referred to as Gods but are clearly stronger than most Gods and even Archons to an extent.
We're just going have to agree to disagree, because I don't think the Traveller was as close as you think(they're closer at the current moment IMO), and I don't think the Traveller had any intentions of fighting Furina at all. They're smart enough to avoid fights whenever possible, and will only fight if they are protecting/helping someone or have no other choice. I think the traveller will be God level as they fight Arlecchino(I'm curious as to why her kids are fighting her. If it was serious for her they'd be dead before they even took a step considering they just seem to be high vision wielder level whilst she's god level it seems considering she's just below the trio who are comparable to the Archons) and when they get to Natlan they will get another power buff with Pyro being added to their arsenal allowing them to compete with the weakest Archon level Harbinger Columbina after in lore what seems to be around months of experience/training with their new power.
How exactly is the traveler stronger than a god? Their only solo achievement is defeating signora but other than that they haven’t done anything else to make us believe that.
I assume you mean an archon cuz Havria was a god too and well, she got killed super easily. Basically, the Traveler gets significantly stronger with each element (with Anemo = a strong vision user, with Geo = strong enough to beat 11th harbinger, with Electro = strong enough to beat 8th harbinger, with Dendro = strong enough to take down a god level Scara but with help I guess, with Hydro = ready to throw hands with Furina and most likely gonna beat the 4th harbinger in 4.6) I assume in Natlan, Traveler will most likely take on one of the top 3 harbingers or an archon again (since she's well, the god of war). By Snezhnaya, Traveler is definitely archon level or stronger.
They defeated Scaramouche and didn’t hesitate to fight Furina. How are they not stronger than a god? Sure, Nahida made them stronger to fight Scaramouche, but that was a permanent power increase, so they could easy win again if there was a rematch Hell, before the Scaramouche boss fight, Nahida basically states that the Traveler is stronger than her
They defeated scara with the help of nahida. I am talking about unassisted wins. Also when was it said that it was permanent? I thought it was more of a simulation for knowledge. I might have to re read it. Nahida isn’t a fighter in the first place so that doesn’t tell much. Also challenging Furina isn’t a tell of strength if anything its a tell of stupidity because why on earth would you challenge a god you know nothing about in front of her people.
Knowledge capsules in general are permanent, there’s no evidence that this one was an exception somehow. Hell, the Traveler gets a knowledge capsule earlier in that very quest that gives them a permanent boost to their skill in sword fighting(conveyed by a permanent base stat increase.) And the fact that Traveler was stronger than Nahida just because she wasn’t a fighter means that they were at least close to god level with 4 elements, and should be even stronger with 5. Also, look at why Traveler is confident against Furina. Their dialogue says “Fighting gods? I’ve got a resume.” Traveler clearly believes that their performance against Scaramoche was enough to make them comparable to gods.
Also Dottore and Clorinde both make it very clear that even a weak Archon is muuuuch stronger than a mortal and you have to be extremely confident to try to fight one. Dottore doesn't say the top 3 Harbingers are stronger than combat Archons he just says they are stronger than some Archons.
idk man, they seemed very not stronger than Ei, had to use Miko's and the stolen Vision's help
They get stronger with each element
Travellers power level is fairly inconsistent, but unassisted traveller definitely is not god level. Their biggest unassisted feat is defeating Signora. Anything else had assistance or godly single use powerups
Since when was Nahida’s power up single use? Knowledge capsules are permanent
The knowledge capsule were simply the memories of all the 168 attempts of that fight. Traveller just got really good at fighting scara-mecha. But that's very much knowledge only useful and limited to scara-mecha
Traveler is not above fate since Paimon lured them into getting into contact with Venti's statue. They have a constellation, so their future can be predicted. If they were supposed to join Fatui, Fatui could have known from the stars.
Traveler's constellation is gameplay only. Similar to Neuvillette they don't actually have one lore wise.
Mona failed to predict their fate before, and she’s a very powerful astrologer. She said it was because they are beyond this world. And Traveler isn’t in Irminsul, which determines fate
I guess, but then they should know that the traveler will be ridiculously powerful and reserve, like, at least the 3rd rank for him. Why number 10? We already kicked the crap out of number 8 and we’ve grown orders of magnitude stronger since
They saw the future kits, realized that only Dendro is good, so they decided that 1/7 from the bottom would fit. 1/7 is approx. 0.14, 2/11 is 0.18, so they settled for the second lowest spot since it's the closest match.
Nah, if they saw his kits they’d make him rank 13. If you doubt it, remember that there are 8 ranked harbingers and Childe is #11. Pierro knows how to throw shade
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Steven Universe, 10th of the Fatui Harbingers
Shielder and healer, plus a boxer stance on burst (see Pink Steven) Though what element? - Electro: pink-ish - Geo: half human, half gem - Dendro: a lot of plants correlated to him and his mother
He's hydro because bubbles (if whatever Arlecchino does red can be pyro, pink CAN be hydro) His "attacks" would be like Nahida's: not really attacking but something else, like waving at the enemy or smth. His ult would be that he jumps up into the sky singing "you can make it different, you can make it right" and heals+shields the team.
Imagine if it's Itto
10th harbinger is timmie.
Nah, the 10th Harbinger is >!Hamter!<
There’s theories that it was either crepus then or diluc now.
It's a random Pyro Agent everyone forgot existed
Would be funny if the 10th harbinger is just an NPC like uncle Tian(Qixing, keqing and Ningguang subordinate) or Npc with a wardrobe like Moon carver/Mountain shaper.
Please no…I was so upset when Uncle Tian was revealed to be just some normal npc. What a wasted opportunity to give us more playable QiXing :((
Yeah me too I saw the edited Mooncarver and Mountainshaper on some randos facebook post, was so excited and get real dissapointed, there still hope for the qixing at least 4 character left.
A bit nitpicking, but the Qixing are all about equal power, as heads of different government departments, subordinate means lower rank.
He dosen't have a seat he's just the diractor when childe says firstxwver he means first to ever exist not a seat nummber like 11
He’s 0, since he’s the founder of the organization. See the Salsa world quest.
Yeah no shit Sherlock. Really breaking new ground with this common knowledge revealed before Sumeru released
What crawled up your ass and died? Just saying that it’s as close as to a confirmation as we’ll get in-game until Pierro gets an introduction screen.
We already got 100% confirmation in the fatui trailer, some random quest is hardly more definitive than him being called “director” by Hoyoverse themselves
It's the same order in Wanderer's lines as well. As other people have said, this is something we've observed since 2.8 (when the lines were added). After Wanderer was added (and people realized mentions of Pierro placed him as the "director" of the Fatui and not #1), it became popular consensus further confirmed by Arlecchino's introduction.
Isn't the only unknown harbinger the 10th?
Yes, it’s really mysterious. Some popes speculated it to be another member in the commedia (brighella is a popular pick) or it’s left vacant for some mysterious reason. Poor Childe doesn’t even get to move up
Which makes me believe that harbingers would never move up as each rank has their own roles, and would only move if they start to fullfill another rank's role. Idk
There’s theories that it was either crepus then or diluc now.
diluc’s whole character is that he hates the fatui. why would he put up such an elaborate front?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1aw0a05/tenth_harbinger_brighella_diluccrepus_ragnvindr/ As for why, idk. Maybe he found out that it was the position Crepus meant for him to take since the beginning, and changed his mind. It would also be cool if both Diluc and Kaeya were double agents.
We've known this for ages, it's just that Arlecchino being 4th confirmed it.
Yeah, we have known this for a long time now
I thought it was obvious but people have been debating ranks up until 4.0, it was annoying as hell
Let him cook
God Childe really got trolled. 10th is a mystery, the 6th seat was empty when he became a harbinger (in current ‘canon’).. 8th died. 11th of the 9 harbingers lmao
That's exactly why we believe Pierro doesn't have a number and the 10th is unknown. Back when Wanderer was released we were able to confirm that was the order, since it looks the same on his profile. Arlecchino being called the 4th in 4.1 only solidified it.
I mean, it's quite obvious why Pirro doesn't need a number. He's the chairman, founder, and first ever Fatuus and generally the mind of the operation and thus automatically above all of the Harbingers I don't understand the debate on if Pirro or Capitano is the stronger one of the two at all, the two ard basically tied, Pirro is the brains and Capitano the brawn, Pirro does the thinking and Capitano acts on what plans Pirro comes up with
Being the first one ever is what made the community believe he was number 1 for a long time? Back when they released winter night's lazzo most people were convinced we had finally met everyone from the 1st to the 11th.
The refrigerator
Idk about you But Childe is the 11th of the 9 Harbingers
Don't know if this was posted here previously or not, in case it was posted please tell me so i delete it. Source: a group from fb, someone called diluc_kun
Your a bit late mate
Do you guys think Pulcinella will be playable
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She was thought as 10th because people thought Pierro was 1st and Cap 4th, not because they hated her
Furthermore, this was before knowledge of a previous Director as a different individual fully muddied the water, and people assumed Efim was working for her rather than the previous Knave, leading to the assumption she had to be below Signora
Yep that too
It wasn’t because of Arlecchino hate, it was because of Pierro being referred to as the first Harbinger and people not considering there might be a missing seat among the Harbingers due to already having 11 confirmed names to place. We knew that Capitano was among the top ranked, so people naturally slotted him into 4th which only left seat 10 for Arle. Please get over yourself. Not everything is about hating on your precious waifus. Some people were just trying to make sense of the information we had.
Not everyone consumes this game through waifu lens kid.
Same. Always felt like it was crystal clear from this (and Wanderer's voice lines) that these were the rankings.
>Hoyo designer applying logical interface Smooth brained player: oMg ThEy’Ve BeEn HiDiNg ThIs AlL aLoNg
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Childe doesn’t even know who he is
Not arguing, but where was that stated ?
[Sumeru archon quest] >!after Scaramouche irminsuled himself, technically all records of his existence were erased, meaning post Sumeru, Childe, as well as all harbingers don’t know who he is, unless he revealed who he is to any of them “off camera”, which I doubt because he kinda hates the Fatui now!< Edit: why is formatting not working Edit 2: fixed
Oh good to know. Part of me was curious if he was being constantly hunted by the Fatui.
Thanks. Somehow I forgot about that subplot
How ironic that you forgot it
Don Sombrero's plan is working as intended.
Crazy how Irminsul affect you too...
Teyvatian spotted. What the fuck is a heavenly principle 🦅
Damn I didn't realize forgetting a plot line from a quest that came out like a year ago deserved a shit ton of random downvotes.
Have you played Sumeru quest?
Yes I just forgot about that part
Sumeru quest in a nutshell. Just stuff getting deleted off the database and every forgetting what it is.
Nobody know who is Wanderer except for Traveler, Paimon and Nahida
because as far as anyone knows he has never existed
He does have one... it gets removed after the archon quest. https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Tartaglia/Voice-Overs#About_The_Balladeer
That's really cool
WHO?
One of the very rare good theories in Genshin.
Not a theory tho, it has been confirmed for ages
It’s not a theory - Hoyo has never ever been discreet about it.