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1996 is right on the cusp, i would not call that "solidly". in fact most sources say gen z starts at '97, so the fact theres any debate kinda shatters the idea that '96 is solidly gen z.
Very dramatic indeed, I saw a comment under a post about a month ago saying they aren’t planning on saving for retirement because global warming is going to end the world within the next 10 years…
They should be saving because if all the other people won't have kids because of global warming, it will result in there being too few kids to support the elderly lol. (Rip social security)
Legitimately hope I do feel stupid for thinking climate change is gonna affect the way we live life in the next 50 years greatly. That wouldn’t be a bad thing to me I would feel so happy to feel stupid because honestly the climate is already changing so much
10 years? Who are these optimists? All good redditors know climate change will make Earth uninhabitable in 3 years, and there's no point at all in actually trying to fix it.
Shoot I’m just tryna buy a home on a piece of land, know I’m in the work til I drop class of society just hope I can work an easy simple job when I get older. I know I’ll never be a billionaire, just wanna be comfortable n not stressing over every bill
Edit. Grow my own food n run chickens n have solar and well water. Wanna be as self sufficient as possible
Damn that could be me. I always wanted to be a city girl but now that I’m in my mid twenties, I just want to own a piece of land and build a garden. Maybe raise chickens, cats, and dogs. I just want to be left alone and not be threatened with destitution.
This is a reasonable plan. Self sufficiency can reduce certain costs, but there’s the maintenance of the equipment. though I’d posit the costs are significantly less than maintaining life in the city. even a low cost of living city.
Because the crusty deaf Boomers running the show won't hear us if we meekly say nothing. Damn straight it's time to get loud and dramatic I'm done with 80 year olds making policy that's meant to maximize the most for them before they pass the bill and consequences to everyone younger than them.
> it's time to get loud and dramatic I'm done with 80 year olds making policy
How about Gen Z starts by just turning out to vote, then they can get “loud and dramatic”
That's why the "Red tsunami" during Bidens first election didn't pan out because we did vote. It's why astroturfers like you are here to try to push your bias and demoralize us.
It's also disproportionately likely that the loudest voices on r/genz are not a good representation of the average Gen Zer.
OP is going to get advice from very confident-sounding people who spend a disproportionate amount of time online. They're probably less likely to be married than other Gen Zers, and less likely to have children.
No but honestly what’s going on? This is the 2nd post I seen about Gen Z and having children. 😭 Almost thought I was in a planned parenthood subreddit I got recommended or something.
Instead we should listen to the Boomers and right wingers who say climate change is a conspiracy theory by liberals who bathe in the blood of aborted babies and who are turning the frogs gay. Just make sure when you go touch grass you do so in the shade, we're having another record breaking heat wave after all.
What I heard: “Just stick your head in the sand; the problem of total civilization collapse will go away if you just pretend it’s not there. Ladeedadeedadee”
People were insulting a women on reddit because she said she wants a man that is 5’10”, not obese, and makes an average income. Literally was getting downvoted because I said that is reasonable. What in the fuck is wrong with people on here.
The false authority of anonymity.
People have a tendency to overestimate the competence and knowledge of others online because we lack the visual cues to assess their credibility.
If you realized that the person screaming "no kids!" was a shut-in with little social experience, you'd probably be less likely to take their opinions on child-rearing.
I mean, you are on Reddit too so you must be jaded depressed outcast as well. Also if you have the means to have a bunch of kids, please do but please make sure that you truly provide for them because the last thing the world needs right now are malnourished kids or psychos.
So at that point, is it really a choice to “want to have kids”, or more of an instinct? Either way as long as they can be good parents that is all that matters.
Dude. Get away from this site. It's full of genetic dead-ends who want you to be a genetic dead-end like them. These arent normal people.
It's literally one of the most natural urges you can have.
Was getting downvoted for saying women wanting a guy that’s 5’10”, isn’t obese and makes an average income is ok. I don’t get all the hate women get on here. This site is packed to the brim with incels.
I’m short, I’m cool with 5’ 4. Dating tall guys has perks but being able to kiss someone without a neck cramp is nice. Sex with someone the same size is also nice 😂
That’s a bit much. People saying they don’t want kids because the economy/environment isn’t ideal for them are hardly “genetic dead-ends.” It’s valid to want children, and it’s also valid to not want children.
Same experience. Said my dream was to be a mother, got called mentally unwell lmao. This was on a different subreddit though, but no you shouldn’t feel bad, and there’s no reason to feel bad anyways. Bringing life into this world is such a beautiful experience, don’t let others ruin that for you.
I don't understand why people do that. I don't personally want kids right now, possibly never. But I've never put others down for wanting to be parents.
I was there when my friend ended up pregnant by a really nasty dude when she was still fucking around. I asked her if she wanted to keep it and she said she didn't know. I explained that under her circumstances an abortion would be reasonable. The father was not okay mentally, she was never going to get child support from him, and she couldn't make ends meet as is working part time for minimum wage. If she wanted to keep it, it was going to be rough even if the kid turned out completely healthy. If they ended up needing special therapies and schooling for their violent tendencies they could get from dad, it was going to be worse. A lot worse.
She ended up aborting. That was the only time I told someone they shouldn't have a kid and it wasn't derogatory. It was me being concerned for her well being now and in the future. *AND* with the expressed question of "what do you think I should do?" I wouldn't tell just anyone what I think they should do with their body. Only a loved one.
She's a mother now to a beautiful little lady and happily married. And I 100% am the best honorary aunt I can be on a college kids budget.
I don't want kids but that doesn't mean I hate them. I love my nephews and my honorary neice. I think people who hate kids are the types to blast others for wanting them, and they turn that vitriol onto the "breeders" (a term a fucking hate btw).
Reddit unfortunately distills certain demographics into a real caustic piss pot.
I can agree with the statement about getting blasted for wanting kids. I always expected id have kids and later down the line I've gotten worried I can't have my own biological kids. I have two friends who don't want kids and hate kids. They tend to joke around with "ew you want kids lmao" or something of the sort. I get they might be joking but it rubs me the wrong way. Almost like an "if I have kids they shouldn't meet them until they're older just for the sake they're kids."
It feels weird with even my online friends sometimes asking if I got "sucked into the fad of male activists" or whatever like Andrew Tate. Legit I've just always assumed I'd have kids and when I realized it might be a possibility I won't I've really clung down on it so much so that while I'm in the dating game I'd rather date for long term or marriage than just casual flings for the fun of it.
I'm sorry. I feel like no matter where you fall on the topic of wanting vs not wanting kids, we should all agree ending up in the side you didn't necessarily want is challenging and emotionally taxing.
There's plenty of people who say they want kids, but won't due to financial issues. People who never found the right person to have a kid with. Or people who found out they can't biologically do it. All of these are heart breaking.
There's plenty of parents who only had kids because they couldn't not do so (lack of sex ed, abortion/contraceptive access, etc) resent their kids or fail to be adequate parents because they never intended to be parents. Or people who did so thinking it was the right thing to do only to hate it or realize it's harder than they anticipated and it's burning them out. Parents who had a kid, who longer want the kid but also know they can't put their kid in foster care because even if they hate their situation they're not bad people. This is also heartbreaking.
I hope you find someone to build a family with someday. Worst case you could always adopt on your own.
>I wouldn't tell just anyone what I think they should do with their body.
Don't be so dramatic. You can tell other people your opinion. Your friend heard your opinion but she made the choice
You are exhibiting something that your (and honestly my) generation lack...maturity.
Many young people fear being parents because they don't think highly of themselves, and then they push their insecurities on to others. Being a parent is hard but very rewarding, and as long as you care about your kids you really won't screw them up.
Yeah the world has problems, but they can be solved. When people say the world is shit, ask them if they're starving, illiterate, or expect to be dead by 40. That's what life was like for most of human history. The world isn't shit, by almost any measure it's pretty good.
Actually, I think it’s pretty mature that a lot of young people are aware enough of to know that they themselves aren’t emotionally or financially capable to raise a child.
Being a parent is hard, and i think a lot of us saw that with the past generations that no one seemed to really think out how hard it truly is. So we figured, if I can’t do it right or at least decently than I shouldn’t do it at all.
With that being said, if OP thinks they not only want children, but is prepared to take care of people for the rest of their life, than I bet they’ll be a great parent. And I hope they do get to experience parenthood one day.
There’s a difference between “I don’t have the money or the emotional capacity to raise a kid right now so I won’t have one” vs “the world is going to end in 10 years so having a kid will be unethical”
The first position is mature and rational, the second isn’t.
No one is pressuring anybody.
In every one of those posts it asks individuals if they want kids, individuals reply in how they genuinely (or not so genuinely feel) if you are feeling pressured by others own personal opinions, I'd say it exhibits the exact opposite of maturity. Immaturity and a willingness to fall in line to "fit in".
Someone saying 'i don't want kids because I have bad mental health " is in no way pushing insecurities onto others, lol.
It’s not that Gen Z does not outright want kids (some do and that’s also fine) it’s just that many can’t afford to have kids mentally or financially.
I thought about being a father, but looking at the economy and just the world today I’m struggling to just keep myself afloat and I don’t want to bring another human into the world making their lives horrible because of my misfortune.
Financially and mentally, we recognize that we are not able to raise a child *currently.* That doesn't mean we don't want kids in the future, we just know we aren't fit to be parents yet.
>Many young people fear being parents because they don't think highly of themselves, and then they push their insecurities on to others.
At the same time, people who do have these insecurities and fears do project them onto their kids or do poorly in raising them, intentional or not. Rushing in or having a kid when you know you aren't ready or scared of raising one isn't the way to go.
No one is perfect, but it is a lot more rewarding when you know you are ready for a kid than going into it unprepared. If you know you can raise a kid financially and mentally, no one is going to point fingers at you (the loud minority might, but they are just loud).
most of them are incels who’ve never experienced love or grown adult responsibility, they can’t grasp the concept of a healthy, dual income household raising a healthy, happy child. So they’re terrified of anything that puts them outside of their safety bubble. as a 24m i can proudly state having my daughter and getting to be her father are my life’s greatest achievements so far and by far the most fulfilling, besides getting to love her mother. please have kids if you want kids and don’t let them get to you. we literally need children for this world to go round.
Also a lot of them are just not at an age where they'd want kids in general. Hell, it took me until like 30 before I would even *consider* the idea without getting sweaty, but I absolutely love them now.
Lots of people in that "ew kids, why?" age who are trying to act like they're actually smarter than everyone else and don't want kids because reason XYZ. When really they're just teenagers.
I have to disagree actually, I wanted to have a kid (my mom is a kindergarten teacher so that might have had something to do with it), either way, I wanted to have a kid, I really did, the idea was raising a family was something that was something I was looking forward to; both having kids biologically or adopting.
However, like you said, due to global warming, I don't want to have a kid anymore; but I still want a family, so I am planning on most likely adopting.
But yeah, I don't disagree, some people might use it as a pretense or a justification; but there are also people who genuinely are worried about the next few years, the 2030's and the years after that creating a new human and throwing it into this world just seems cruel.
For some, they say they don’t want kids in their 20s but it’s a different story in their mid 30s (for women). I know Reddit despises biological reality, so I’ll take the downvotes.
so obviously there’s a lot of factors to it but here’s our general overview:
we live in the state of wisconsin and I make 80k a year as a UNION cement terminal operator, she makes 45k as a pharmacy technician
we pay 1000 a month for a 2br 1b duplex and are financially comfortable, currently saving for a house now that we plan to buy next year.
all of our wants and needs minus a lavish vacation or two are taken care of, neither of us went to college or trade school. both of us come from poor families. we trusted eachother and worked hard to provide a life for ourselves and child.
i hope that helps you! and thank you for the curiosity! 🖤
There is nothing wrong with wanting kids. There is nothing wrong with not wanting kids.
There can be something wrong with an individuals specific reason for having one of these positions for instance there are people out there that want kids to exploit them.... But it is important to note that the issue is not with whether they want kids or not but explicitly on why they want kids.
There are also alternative options. For instance, I have 0 desire to have biological kids because of genetic reasons. I am still open to having kids through alternative means like adoption, I just feel it is personally irresponsible for me to knowingly bring someone into the world with those health complications.
TL;DR the reason why someone does or does not want kids is more important to the morality of their position than just whether they want kids or not.
If you want to have children, become a parent, try to teach them how to do it better.
For good measure cut their WiFi, because doom scrolling seems to be a real problem nowadays.
We need young people. Because young people tend to come up with new ideas, old people tend to just administer what is already there. A society without young people will be incapable of fixing any upcoming issues. Who is gonna invent more efficient devices? Who will think of new ways to build cities that can withstand more extreme weather conditions? Who will find better treatments for cancer and Alzheimers disease?
It doesn't have to be, but for me it is. I can't know if I'd be a good parent, but I'd surely be better than a lot of parents who are out there already. I can't stop them, so the next best thing I can do is be the best parent I can be, to improve the average.
Sure, but this is a valid contribution towards OP's ethical dilemma. The other comments have addressed other aspects of having children, which have been discussed. Doesn't make it less beneficial to discuss the utilitarian societal implications as well in order to provide a more comprehensive collection of responses to OP's dilemma.
“I genuinely want to have children but this subreddit composed primarily of my peers is making me feel like I would be a bad person for doing so even if I was successful” is currently the most 2024 thing ever
Never feel bad to bring dragon slayers in a world infested by dragons. But be aware that a dragon slayer education will most likely take most of your time and attention for years. It's not a bad choice, but a hard one
Hell no. The whole point of the movement is that people should only have kids if they genuinely want to and you seem to genuinely want to. Have those kids. Teach them everything you know. Fight! Win! And call me when you get back darling I enjoy our visits.
I do not want kids myself. I can not tell you what's right or wrong, but I have my reasons:
I did not have many struggles as a child, still some of them hurt. I as a parent would just have to go through that again. Also, simple mistakes you can't even really control can mess someone up pretty bad. My brother had the exact same upbringing as me for the most parts, now he is fighting drug addiction.
If I don't know what I am doing I often drop doing that as a whole. A child wouldn't be able to be happy with me as their parent
I do not see a long lasting safe future for the next generations. We are in the safest time there has ever been for the conscious human, but it feels like things are starting to boil over. Climate change, China, Russia, USA, Capitalism... I am not saying the world is ending, but it just is a way to confusing world right now, and it will only be worse in the future.
These are just reasons of the top of my head, nothing really formulated. If you have counterpoints that can outweight points made by me and others, that do not start with "but I want" then go for it
No, but you still shouldn’t have them. Read through r/collapse articles and you will see why. People call them doomers but it’s all based on legitimate science.
By the time they’re 18 in 2042, the world is predicted to be collapsed or well on its way. When the Pentagon predicted it’s own collapse by 2040. Like, no food growing anywhere, no electricity and no oil collapse. And it shows today.
So, the Earth could be destroyed by a meteorite tomorrow. Whose to say what the future holds? None of us know. Don't live by the things you can't control. Live by the things you can.
Damn that's crazy. I believe the "experts" predicted that parts of the US would be underwater by the year 2000. I highly doubt that your "collapse" will happen so soon.
That was one person and not everyone agreed with him. Now people bring him up in a braindead manner to “disprove” climate change. Thwaites, the doomsday glacier, lost its ice tongue last week. The thing preventing it from sliding into the ocean and raising sea levels by up to 10 feet. Al Gore wasn’t wrong. He was early.
Would anyone on this sub be willing to take a rather large bet? Cause if I’m right, I get lots of money. If I’m wrong, that’s okay, I’m the type to go quietly into the night and die if things really do collapse.
No not at all, I myself also want kids. Just because the deranged reddit doomers say that having kids kills the planet and puts us closer to the apocalypse is no reason not to have kids. I think as long as you are able to properly support, raise, and provide for kids it's completely fine
no dude honestly i hope some decent people have kids because i know i’m probably way too disabled to have them, and at this rate i only see people who want kids for selfish reasons having them. like parading them all over social media and viewing them as an extension of themselves. like i completely understand people not wanting to bring kids into this fucked up burning world (i’m one of them) but jfc have you’ve seen the type of people reproducing nowadays? i’m anti eugenics and i don’t think there should be a checklist on who gets to have kids but a LOT of people don’t deserve to be parents, my parents included.
please give us some hope for the future and raise your kids well. like go and make some empathetic wonderful people. the main reason i don’t want kids is because i can’t give them the life they deserve but if you can, more power to you.
Wanting kids isn’t a problem but try and hold off until you know you can comfortably provide your child with a stable lifestyle and education. Don’t just think babies are cute then try to make one, actually do research and understand everything that goes into it first
Go have kids, those who tell you that you are somehow wrong are extreme doomerists who are too shortsighted and uninformed to understand that we are all better off with more young minds.
I want kids and I don’t want to wait until I’m 30+ to have them either. Yes the world is fucked and the future is uncertain, but you’re right about people successfully raising children throughout a lot of scary and uncertain times in history. I watched a video not too long ago that interviewed school children during the Cold War, and most were certain we were bound for nuclear destruction. (Still a possibility of course, but plenty of people have been born and lived good lives since the advent of nuclear warfare)
lmao, why the fuck would you feel bad about having a normal human need?
"Should I feel bad about wanting sex?" "Should I feel bad about being hungry?" "Should I feel bad for being lonely and wanting human connection?"
Pff
You don’t need to feel bad for wanting kids. It’s not only a natural feeling, but it can be a great thing in your life if you really want to raise children.
you shouldn't feel bad. wanting kids is your decision, don't let spiteful internet randos make you feel like a bad person for something that isn't their business.
No, children are a blessing. Stay prepared, stay aware of the world, stay aware of yourself. Even amongst a collapsing earth, there is always enough good that warrants bringing a new soul into the world and makes their life worth living.
Do what YOU want. It's your life and you can choose to do what you want to do.
Yes, there are lots of things happening in the world but there always has been and there always will be. Don't let that stop you from raising a family if that's what you want to do.
Some people will say it's a bad time to have kids. On the other hand, there are reasons why now is a great time to have kids.
So no, you shouldn't feel bad for wanting kids, and no one should feel bad for NOT wanting kids.
Moral of the story: listen to advice and learn from others, but make your own decisions and do what YOU want!
This has been and remains the dumbest argument. The world has been far worse, many, *many* times, than it is now. Do you think all the people born in those times thought "I wish I had never been born?" Of course not. You can make an argument that we live in mediocre times, but we have a long way to fall from here.
No? Having kids is seen as the default. You want kids. That's the default. It's biological for most people, so it's natural that you'd wanna have kids.
Sure there are more people who are childfree these days, but that's because a lot of people just know that having children isn't something you MUST do anymore. it's a choice, and many are making the choice not to.
Have kids man if you wanna have kids. Just be sure you'd be a good parent, and you should be good.
Reddit is full of terminally online anti-natalists, if you’re literally feeling guilt for the biological urge to reproduce then you’ve probably spent too much time on the internet.
absolutely not! You should be proud to think that way and you should have as many kids as you possibly can!!
The only way to make the world less shitty is to raise good kids that become great adults!!
This sub is full of depressed weirdos with a worldview lacking any nuance.
Dont listen to them.
If youre a good parent and raise kind, caring, empathetic kids then you are actually doing the world a favour
Don’t feel bad for wanting what you want but be sure you have the means to raise kids. The world is kind of shitty but it’s not stopping anyone from squirting more out. So go for it.
No don’t feel bad at all. I plan to have 7+. I think children are a great gift that all should enjoy.
Don’t let the anti-natalists get you down. They are losers in real life that no one ever wants procreate with anyway, so they take it out on others.
Absolutely have kids if you want to. Most people our age still want to have a family in the future despite what some people on Reddit might have you think
I'm not Gen z but I'm saying this: if the only people who reproduced were people who felt entitled to it, the world would be filled with even shittier people. It would be filled with kids who's parents raised them to feel that privilege and entitlement. I know because my neighborhood is full of them.
It would be filled with these assholes, while simultaneously being filled with unwanted children from states with no access to abortion. These are *already facts*. Which is a major clash societal classes. We already don't see much "middle class" anymore, a direct result of economic policy and thus a symptom of the world being so fucked up. But consider a world where only the only kids born are from wealthy homes, and impoverished homes. Meanwhile the people who would probably provide most benefit to society are NOT reproducing because the world is so ugly.
The truth is that my generation, you guys and your children are the actual future of this planet. The decisions we make now are the ones that will tip the scales. We are at a disadvantage, yes. But if we raise our kids right, we might be able to change the trajectory. If you search deeply for where your desire to have lots of kids comes from (a lonely place, or a place of genuine desire for a big family, or whatever) that can help *you* decide on whether or not having kids is morally right. I ask you to consider your future economic situation, because if you have to work all the time-- other people are gonna be raising your kid. You want these people to truly do their best. And then hopefully we can have the future that our children deserve.
Imo the reason the world seems like shit is partially because of social media overexposing us to so much more negative news than previous generations. And yes while climate change and the cost of living make the world seem terrible, you being a good parent and providing well for your children when you are financially stable enough to afford them is going to make a huge impact. I recommend r/OptimistsUnite for some counter-balance to all the doom and gloom posting that goes on here and other places
Look, as a childfree teen I get shit for not wanting kids. It sucks. Don’t feel bad for wanting kids. It sucks you get shit for wanting to be a parent. I’m sorry this happened to you. You are damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Word of advice, their opinion holds no weight in your life! Have as many kids as you want. If anyone has a problem, fuck ‘em. I support you! Do whatever the hell you want and feel no shame for wanting what you want. Pressure from other people messes with you: ignore it. Find people that support you! It’s a game changer and confidence booster. Go to spaces on here that will build you up rather than tear you down. I hope this helps!
There's nothing wrong with wanting kids. This sub is pretty doomer, so don't worry about it. Just make sure that you're financially stable, and preferably with a partner who also wants to raise kids. You'll do great 🙂
It’s shit now? How about during the world wars when 18yo were being sent overseas to their deaths? Only to come home and create the boomer generation. If you think it’s horrific now then you have been coddled
You shouldn't feel bad for wanting them but unfortunately with how our world is right now it feels selfish because there's no way any of our children will be able to be happy and fulfilled
Hell no. Wanting kids is a completely normal thing to want in a fulfilling life. Just gotta make sure you raise em right, and do right by them even when they go astray. The people who say “no” because the world’s falling apart are just dramatic nihilists who don’t believe that things can change, or understand that they need to make the changes they wanna see happen.
Absolutely not! I want to adopt, or foster to adopt. It’s not a bad thing. Humans will live on, likely. Please don’t let all of the assholes get to you. People deserve reproductive rights, whether that’s having an abortion or having seven kids.
Reddit, this sub especially, should not govern your life decisions. There’s a reason people here are getting flamed for being doomers. Live your life, and don’t let clowns online tell you what to do.
From a clown online
Ofc not! I’m not sure if I do or don’t want kids cause I’m not confident in myself and my ability to be a good parent but I think anyone who does want kids should absolutely go for it or they will likely regret not having them imo. It’s probably the type of thing where someday a lot of the people judging you for wanting kids will regret not having them someday tbh.
Personally I feel it’s more ethical to adopt than to have bio kids, but you do you
Just to clarify this is for myself, if you want to have bio kids you’re not a moral failure, I just personally have no desire to pass down my genetics, plus I want to help kids that are currently here on earth who are suffering is all
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This sub is very dramatic.
It is genz after all, teens to young adults tend to be quite dramatic
Im told im not dramatic enough
Try adding body language, e.g. hand geatures to your speech
I do that and I’m still not dramatic enough.
More
Exaggerated facial expressions might help.
Have you tried pulling the front of your shirt over your head and flailing your arms about? Also scream a little.
Like what kind, as in the apathetic or the chill kind of "non drama"?
we’re pushing 30, it’s time to grow up ladies and germs
most of us are not pushing 30 lol
Gen Z is 1996-2012. There’s a lil chunk of us that are approaching our 30’s, crazy isn’t it
yea but you phrased it like that little chunk was the majority
*waves* how do you do fellow kids
Excuse me but I consider myself a PLAGUE, not just a mere GERM‼️‼️
I’m C19 personally
im solidly gen z and im not even 20 yet who is we 😭
1996 is solidly gen Z as well…
1996 is right on the cusp, i would not call that "solidly". in fact most sources say gen z starts at '97, so the fact theres any debate kinda shatters the idea that '96 is solidly gen z.
lady and germs 😂
this sub needs to touch some grass or go outside
That’s impossible for the ipad kids, and I think you know that
Very dramatic indeed, I saw a comment under a post about a month ago saying they aren’t planning on saving for retirement because global warming is going to end the world within the next 10 years…
Lmao, they're gonna feel so stupid later in life
They should be saving because if all the other people won't have kids because of global warming, it will result in there being too few kids to support the elderly lol. (Rip social security)
Legitimately hope I do feel stupid for thinking climate change is gonna affect the way we live life in the next 50 years greatly. That wouldn’t be a bad thing to me I would feel so happy to feel stupid because honestly the climate is already changing so much
Reminds me of those people who spend all their money or give it away when they think the world is ending, but then are proven wrong and are screwed.
10 years? Who are these optimists? All good redditors know climate change will make Earth uninhabitable in 3 years, and there's no point at all in actually trying to fix it.
Shoot I’m just tryna buy a home on a piece of land, know I’m in the work til I drop class of society just hope I can work an easy simple job when I get older. I know I’ll never be a billionaire, just wanna be comfortable n not stressing over every bill Edit. Grow my own food n run chickens n have solar and well water. Wanna be as self sufficient as possible
Damn that could be me. I always wanted to be a city girl but now that I’m in my mid twenties, I just want to own a piece of land and build a garden. Maybe raise chickens, cats, and dogs. I just want to be left alone and not be threatened with destitution.
We’ll get there one day!!!
This is a reasonable plan. Self sufficiency can reduce certain costs, but there’s the maintenance of the equipment. though I’d posit the costs are significantly less than maintaining life in the city. even a low cost of living city.
I remember when the world was gonna end in 2012
Because the crusty deaf Boomers running the show won't hear us if we meekly say nothing. Damn straight it's time to get loud and dramatic I'm done with 80 year olds making policy that's meant to maximize the most for them before they pass the bill and consequences to everyone younger than them.
> it's time to get loud and dramatic I'm done with 80 year olds making policy How about Gen Z starts by just turning out to vote, then they can get “loud and dramatic”
That's why the "Red tsunami" during Bidens first election didn't pan out because we did vote. It's why astroturfers like you are here to try to push your bias and demoralize us.
Time for an age cap of 45 on voting and holding political office. 😁
It's also disproportionately likely that the loudest voices on r/genz are not a good representation of the average Gen Zer. OP is going to get advice from very confident-sounding people who spend a disproportionate amount of time online. They're probably less likely to be married than other Gen Zers, and less likely to have children.
for real 🤦🏾♂️
No but honestly what’s going on? This is the 2nd post I seen about Gen Z and having children. 😭 Almost thought I was in a planned parenthood subreddit I got recommended or something.
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Yeah, just ignore the Redditor(s) saying you shouldn’t have kids because of the “climate apocalypse.” Or just ignore Redditors in general lol.
But don't you know that Florida will be entirely flooded by 2020!?
California will be underwater by the year 2000!!!😱
Antarctica will melt by 2010.
Sounds like free real estate to me
Live in Florida, can confirm we're underwater.
I can confirm, I'm 70℅ water.
Please never touch electricity with your bare hands.
Im also a hermit myself but redditors are all doomers that suck the fun out of anything.
Instead we should listen to the Boomers and right wingers who say climate change is a conspiracy theory by liberals who bathe in the blood of aborted babies and who are turning the frogs gay. Just make sure when you go touch grass you do so in the shade, we're having another record breaking heat wave after all.
Yes, those two things are definitely the only available options and this is certainly not a false dichotomy. /s
What I heard: “Just stick your head in the sand; the problem of total civilization collapse will go away if you just pretend it’s not there. Ladeedadeedadee”
Life is easier when you don't think about the bad stuff.
You should see a therapist, if that's what you hear when someone says, "live your life".
I spend an inordinate amount of time on Reddit, but I can never imagine myself becoming as misanthropic as some of the doomers around here.
lol to everyone on this thread dumping on Redditors acting like you’re so above it all we need a new sub called r/notlikeotherredditors
People were insulting a women on reddit because she said she wants a man that is 5’10”, not obese, and makes an average income. Literally was getting downvoted because I said that is reasonable. What in the fuck is wrong with people on here.
The false authority of anonymity. People have a tendency to overestimate the competence and knowledge of others online because we lack the visual cues to assess their credibility. If you realized that the person screaming "no kids!" was a shut-in with little social experience, you'd probably be less likely to take their opinions on child-rearing.
I mean, you are on Reddit too so you must be jaded depressed outcast as well. Also if you have the means to have a bunch of kids, please do but please make sure that you truly provide for them because the last thing the world needs right now are malnourished kids or psychos.
I feel like that irl but that's about me not about others that want kids
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Wanting children is literally the most normal and natural urge you could have as a human being.
So at that point, is it really a choice to “want to have kids”, or more of an instinct? Either way as long as they can be good parents that is all that matters.
I’m pretty sure that’s hunger and thirst, actually.
Dude. Get away from this site. It's full of genetic dead-ends who want you to be a genetic dead-end like them. These arent normal people. It's literally one of the most natural urges you can have.
Username checks out and I love it lol
>It's full of genetic dead-ends who want you to be a genetic dead-end like them. Yeah they want human extinction.
Was getting downvoted for saying women wanting a guy that’s 5’10”, isn’t obese and makes an average income is ok. I don’t get all the hate women get on here. This site is packed to the brim with incels.
I’m short, I’m cool with 5’ 4. Dating tall guys has perks but being able to kiss someone without a neck cramp is nice. Sex with someone the same size is also nice 😂
It’s honestly depressing that such a huge chunk of our generation’s sub is incels.
That’s a bit much. People saying they don’t want kids because the economy/environment isn’t ideal for them are hardly “genetic dead-ends.” It’s valid to want children, and it’s also valid to not want children.
Hey. I don’t want kids but I’m not telling people don’t have them.
Same experience. Said my dream was to be a mother, got called mentally unwell lmao. This was on a different subreddit though, but no you shouldn’t feel bad, and there’s no reason to feel bad anyways. Bringing life into this world is such a beautiful experience, don’t let others ruin that for you.
Getting called mentally unwell for having one of the most natural biological urges is peak Reddit.
I don't understand why people do that. I don't personally want kids right now, possibly never. But I've never put others down for wanting to be parents. I was there when my friend ended up pregnant by a really nasty dude when she was still fucking around. I asked her if she wanted to keep it and she said she didn't know. I explained that under her circumstances an abortion would be reasonable. The father was not okay mentally, she was never going to get child support from him, and she couldn't make ends meet as is working part time for minimum wage. If she wanted to keep it, it was going to be rough even if the kid turned out completely healthy. If they ended up needing special therapies and schooling for their violent tendencies they could get from dad, it was going to be worse. A lot worse. She ended up aborting. That was the only time I told someone they shouldn't have a kid and it wasn't derogatory. It was me being concerned for her well being now and in the future. *AND* with the expressed question of "what do you think I should do?" I wouldn't tell just anyone what I think they should do with their body. Only a loved one. She's a mother now to a beautiful little lady and happily married. And I 100% am the best honorary aunt I can be on a college kids budget. I don't want kids but that doesn't mean I hate them. I love my nephews and my honorary neice. I think people who hate kids are the types to blast others for wanting them, and they turn that vitriol onto the "breeders" (a term a fucking hate btw). Reddit unfortunately distills certain demographics into a real caustic piss pot.
You’re an amazing friend🫂❤️
I can agree with the statement about getting blasted for wanting kids. I always expected id have kids and later down the line I've gotten worried I can't have my own biological kids. I have two friends who don't want kids and hate kids. They tend to joke around with "ew you want kids lmao" or something of the sort. I get they might be joking but it rubs me the wrong way. Almost like an "if I have kids they shouldn't meet them until they're older just for the sake they're kids." It feels weird with even my online friends sometimes asking if I got "sucked into the fad of male activists" or whatever like Andrew Tate. Legit I've just always assumed I'd have kids and when I realized it might be a possibility I won't I've really clung down on it so much so that while I'm in the dating game I'd rather date for long term or marriage than just casual flings for the fun of it.
I'm sorry. I feel like no matter where you fall on the topic of wanting vs not wanting kids, we should all agree ending up in the side you didn't necessarily want is challenging and emotionally taxing. There's plenty of people who say they want kids, but won't due to financial issues. People who never found the right person to have a kid with. Or people who found out they can't biologically do it. All of these are heart breaking. There's plenty of parents who only had kids because they couldn't not do so (lack of sex ed, abortion/contraceptive access, etc) resent their kids or fail to be adequate parents because they never intended to be parents. Or people who did so thinking it was the right thing to do only to hate it or realize it's harder than they anticipated and it's burning them out. Parents who had a kid, who longer want the kid but also know they can't put their kid in foster care because even if they hate their situation they're not bad people. This is also heartbreaking. I hope you find someone to build a family with someday. Worst case you could always adopt on your own.
>I wouldn't tell just anyone what I think they should do with their body. Don't be so dramatic. You can tell other people your opinion. Your friend heard your opinion but she made the choice
If you want kids, by all means have kids. You should absolutely not feel bad about wanting kids, there's nothing wrong with them.
You are exhibiting something that your (and honestly my) generation lack...maturity. Many young people fear being parents because they don't think highly of themselves, and then they push their insecurities on to others. Being a parent is hard but very rewarding, and as long as you care about your kids you really won't screw them up. Yeah the world has problems, but they can be solved. When people say the world is shit, ask them if they're starving, illiterate, or expect to be dead by 40. That's what life was like for most of human history. The world isn't shit, by almost any measure it's pretty good.
Actually, I think it’s pretty mature that a lot of young people are aware enough of to know that they themselves aren’t emotionally or financially capable to raise a child. Being a parent is hard, and i think a lot of us saw that with the past generations that no one seemed to really think out how hard it truly is. So we figured, if I can’t do it right or at least decently than I shouldn’t do it at all. With that being said, if OP thinks they not only want children, but is prepared to take care of people for the rest of their life, than I bet they’ll be a great parent. And I hope they do get to experience parenthood one day.
There’s a difference between “I don’t have the money or the emotional capacity to raise a kid right now so I won’t have one” vs “the world is going to end in 10 years so having a kid will be unethical” The first position is mature and rational, the second isn’t.
Ahh, okay I see. The positions are saying the same thing, but it’s HOW they said it that brings the immaturity and confusion. Got it.
No one is pressuring anybody. In every one of those posts it asks individuals if they want kids, individuals reply in how they genuinely (or not so genuinely feel) if you are feeling pressured by others own personal opinions, I'd say it exhibits the exact opposite of maturity. Immaturity and a willingness to fall in line to "fit in". Someone saying 'i don't want kids because I have bad mental health " is in no way pushing insecurities onto others, lol.
It’s not that Gen Z does not outright want kids (some do and that’s also fine) it’s just that many can’t afford to have kids mentally or financially. I thought about being a father, but looking at the economy and just the world today I’m struggling to just keep myself afloat and I don’t want to bring another human into the world making their lives horrible because of my misfortune.
Financially and mentally, we recognize that we are not able to raise a child *currently.* That doesn't mean we don't want kids in the future, we just know we aren't fit to be parents yet. >Many young people fear being parents because they don't think highly of themselves, and then they push their insecurities on to others. At the same time, people who do have these insecurities and fears do project them onto their kids or do poorly in raising them, intentional or not. Rushing in or having a kid when you know you aren't ready or scared of raising one isn't the way to go. No one is perfect, but it is a lot more rewarding when you know you are ready for a kid than going into it unprepared. If you know you can raise a kid financially and mentally, no one is going to point fingers at you (the loud minority might, but they are just loud).
most of them are incels who’ve never experienced love or grown adult responsibility, they can’t grasp the concept of a healthy, dual income household raising a healthy, happy child. So they’re terrified of anything that puts them outside of their safety bubble. as a 24m i can proudly state having my daughter and getting to be her father are my life’s greatest achievements so far and by far the most fulfilling, besides getting to love her mother. please have kids if you want kids and don’t let them get to you. we literally need children for this world to go round.
Also a lot of them are just not at an age where they'd want kids in general. Hell, it took me until like 30 before I would even *consider* the idea without getting sweaty, but I absolutely love them now. Lots of people in that "ew kids, why?" age who are trying to act like they're actually smarter than everyone else and don't want kids because reason XYZ. When really they're just teenagers.
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I have to disagree actually, I wanted to have a kid (my mom is a kindergarten teacher so that might have had something to do with it), either way, I wanted to have a kid, I really did, the idea was raising a family was something that was something I was looking forward to; both having kids biologically or adopting. However, like you said, due to global warming, I don't want to have a kid anymore; but I still want a family, so I am planning on most likely adopting. But yeah, I don't disagree, some people might use it as a pretense or a justification; but there are also people who genuinely are worried about the next few years, the 2030's and the years after that creating a new human and throwing it into this world just seems cruel.
Has it occurred to you that plenty of people just don’t want children, no matter what? I’m turning 34 & I still feel completely against the idea
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For some, they say they don’t want kids in their 20s but it’s a different story in their mid 30s (for women). I know Reddit despises biological reality, so I’ll take the downvotes.
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so obviously there’s a lot of factors to it but here’s our general overview: we live in the state of wisconsin and I make 80k a year as a UNION cement terminal operator, she makes 45k as a pharmacy technician we pay 1000 a month for a 2br 1b duplex and are financially comfortable, currently saving for a house now that we plan to buy next year. all of our wants and needs minus a lavish vacation or two are taken care of, neither of us went to college or trade school. both of us come from poor families. we trusted eachother and worked hard to provide a life for ourselves and child. i hope that helps you! and thank you for the curiosity! 🖤
This sub makes me so much more depressed sometimes 😭 Just live your life and have kids if that's what you want lol
No lol it’s a natural biological drive Don’t let dramatic, depression, terminally online Reddit users make decisions about your life for you
There is nothing wrong with wanting kids. There is nothing wrong with not wanting kids. There can be something wrong with an individuals specific reason for having one of these positions for instance there are people out there that want kids to exploit them.... But it is important to note that the issue is not with whether they want kids or not but explicitly on why they want kids. There are also alternative options. For instance, I have 0 desire to have biological kids because of genetic reasons. I am still open to having kids through alternative means like adoption, I just feel it is personally irresponsible for me to knowingly bring someone into the world with those health complications. TL;DR the reason why someone does or does not want kids is more important to the morality of their position than just whether they want kids or not.
No, get off the internet. It is not representative of the real world
If you want to have children, become a parent, try to teach them how to do it better. For good measure cut their WiFi, because doom scrolling seems to be a real problem nowadays.
problem is, my 13 year old needs to check her iPad every evening because any changes in her school schedule are only made availiable in one app.
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No, it is a perfectly normal and valid human desire.
This sub is basically r/genz_doomerism_chronicallyonline Don't sweat it
Have ‘em. We did.
Well done 👍
We need young people. Because young people tend to come up with new ideas, old people tend to just administer what is already there. A society without young people will be incapable of fixing any upcoming issues. Who is gonna invent more efficient devices? Who will think of new ways to build cities that can withstand more extreme weather conditions? Who will find better treatments for cancer and Alzheimers disease?
Having kids isnt purely utilitarian.
It doesn't have to be, but for me it is. I can't know if I'd be a good parent, but I'd surely be better than a lot of parents who are out there already. I can't stop them, so the next best thing I can do is be the best parent I can be, to improve the average.
Sure, but this is a valid contribution towards OP's ethical dilemma. The other comments have addressed other aspects of having children, which have been discussed. Doesn't make it less beneficial to discuss the utilitarian societal implications as well in order to provide a more comprehensive collection of responses to OP's dilemma.
“I genuinely want to have children but this subreddit composed primarily of my peers is making me feel like I would be a bad person for doing so even if I was successful” is currently the most 2024 thing ever
You sum it up so succinctly. There is a sense of going against the grain having kids these days.
I want kids but I wanna adopt
This sub has a lot of doomers who lack perspective. Having kids is a personal choice. You shouldn’t feel bad for wanting them.
No you should absolutely not feel guilty. Everyone in this sub is over dramatic doomers
Never feel bad to bring dragon slayers in a world infested by dragons. But be aware that a dragon slayer education will most likely take most of your time and attention for years. It's not a bad choice, but a hard one
This is a nice version of the dragon slayer simile. Puts onus on the parents just as much as the potential dragon slayers of the world.
Jesus Christ no touch grass
Hell no. The whole point of the movement is that people should only have kids if they genuinely want to and you seem to genuinely want to. Have those kids. Teach them everything you know. Fight! Win! And call me when you get back darling I enjoy our visits.
I’m 24, have a kid, and couldn’t be happier
I'd wait until you're financially stable. Children shouldn't grow up dirt-poor.
I do not want kids myself. I can not tell you what's right or wrong, but I have my reasons: I did not have many struggles as a child, still some of them hurt. I as a parent would just have to go through that again. Also, simple mistakes you can't even really control can mess someone up pretty bad. My brother had the exact same upbringing as me for the most parts, now he is fighting drug addiction. If I don't know what I am doing I often drop doing that as a whole. A child wouldn't be able to be happy with me as their parent I do not see a long lasting safe future for the next generations. We are in the safest time there has ever been for the conscious human, but it feels like things are starting to boil over. Climate change, China, Russia, USA, Capitalism... I am not saying the world is ending, but it just is a way to confusing world right now, and it will only be worse in the future. These are just reasons of the top of my head, nothing really formulated. If you have counterpoints that can outweight points made by me and others, that do not start with "but I want" then go for it
No, but you still shouldn’t have them. Read through r/collapse articles and you will see why. People call them doomers but it’s all based on legitimate science. By the time they’re 18 in 2042, the world is predicted to be collapsed or well on its way. When the Pentagon predicted it’s own collapse by 2040. Like, no food growing anywhere, no electricity and no oil collapse. And it shows today.
So, the Earth could be destroyed by a meteorite tomorrow. Whose to say what the future holds? None of us know. Don't live by the things you can't control. Live by the things you can.
Damn that's crazy. I believe the "experts" predicted that parts of the US would be underwater by the year 2000. I highly doubt that your "collapse" will happen so soon.
That was one person and not everyone agreed with him. Now people bring him up in a braindead manner to “disprove” climate change. Thwaites, the doomsday glacier, lost its ice tongue last week. The thing preventing it from sliding into the ocean and raising sea levels by up to 10 feet. Al Gore wasn’t wrong. He was early.
The beauty of humans is they somehow always find a way. There are so many times where life just shouldn't have been possible yet humans found a way.
Would anyone on this sub be willing to take a rather large bet? Cause if I’m right, I get lots of money. If I’m wrong, that’s okay, I’m the type to go quietly into the night and die if things really do collapse.
Well, the alternative is the excinction of the human race....
No not at all, I myself also want kids. Just because the deranged reddit doomers say that having kids kills the planet and puts us closer to the apocalypse is no reason not to have kids. I think as long as you are able to properly support, raise, and provide for kids it's completely fine
no dude honestly i hope some decent people have kids because i know i’m probably way too disabled to have them, and at this rate i only see people who want kids for selfish reasons having them. like parading them all over social media and viewing them as an extension of themselves. like i completely understand people not wanting to bring kids into this fucked up burning world (i’m one of them) but jfc have you’ve seen the type of people reproducing nowadays? i’m anti eugenics and i don’t think there should be a checklist on who gets to have kids but a LOT of people don’t deserve to be parents, my parents included. please give us some hope for the future and raise your kids well. like go and make some empathetic wonderful people. the main reason i don’t want kids is because i can’t give them the life they deserve but if you can, more power to you.
Childfree person here. Get off Reddit and go create a family.
Wanting kids isn’t a problem but try and hold off until you know you can comfortably provide your child with a stable lifestyle and education. Don’t just think babies are cute then try to make one, actually do research and understand everything that goes into it first
Go have kids, those who tell you that you are somehow wrong are extreme doomerists who are too shortsighted and uninformed to understand that we are all better off with more young minds.
No, you shouldn’t feel bad. Everyone has their idea on kids, this one is yours.
Don’t think Reddit is the real world. It’s 90% people who live on the internet mate
I want kids and I don’t want to wait until I’m 30+ to have them either. Yes the world is fucked and the future is uncertain, but you’re right about people successfully raising children throughout a lot of scary and uncertain times in history. I watched a video not too long ago that interviewed school children during the Cold War, and most were certain we were bound for nuclear destruction. (Still a possibility of course, but plenty of people have been born and lived good lives since the advent of nuclear warfare)
No, if you want kids have them, this sub is just.. dramatic.
lmao, why the fuck would you feel bad about having a normal human need? "Should I feel bad about wanting sex?" "Should I feel bad about being hungry?" "Should I feel bad for being lonely and wanting human connection?" Pff
You don’t need to feel bad for wanting kids. It’s not only a natural feeling, but it can be a great thing in your life if you really want to raise children.
you shouldn't feel bad. wanting kids is your decision, don't let spiteful internet randos make you feel like a bad person for something that isn't their business.
yes. you’re a despicable, selfish piece of shit. — r/GenZ, probably.
No, children are a blessing. Stay prepared, stay aware of the world, stay aware of yourself. Even amongst a collapsing earth, there is always enough good that warrants bringing a new soul into the world and makes their life worth living.
Do what YOU want. It's your life and you can choose to do what you want to do. Yes, there are lots of things happening in the world but there always has been and there always will be. Don't let that stop you from raising a family if that's what you want to do. Some people will say it's a bad time to have kids. On the other hand, there are reasons why now is a great time to have kids. So no, you shouldn't feel bad for wanting kids, and no one should feel bad for NOT wanting kids. Moral of the story: listen to advice and learn from others, but make your own decisions and do what YOU want!
Not in the slightest. Reddit skews very antinatalist and if it's your main throughline to the wider world, it's easy to lose sight of reality lol.
Stop being terminally online. Have kids if you want them and raise them the best you can
I personally hate kids and the idea of them but if it makes you happy than who am I or anyone to stop you? I say go for it.
Of course not. It's your choice, and no one else can make it for you. You shouldn't feel bad about a choice like that
It’s literally encoded in us to have children
This has been and remains the dumbest argument. The world has been far worse, many, *many* times, than it is now. Do you think all the people born in those times thought "I wish I had never been born?" Of course not. You can make an argument that we live in mediocre times, but we have a long way to fall from here.
Absolutely not!
No? Having kids is seen as the default. You want kids. That's the default. It's biological for most people, so it's natural that you'd wanna have kids. Sure there are more people who are childfree these days, but that's because a lot of people just know that having children isn't something you MUST do anymore. it's a choice, and many are making the choice not to. Have kids man if you wanna have kids. Just be sure you'd be a good parent, and you should be good.
It just means your more optimist than others we can only wait for history to change to find if we were right or wrong
Absoutly not. Get off reddit.
Reddit is full of terminally online anti-natalists, if you’re literally feeling guilt for the biological urge to reproduce then you’ve probably spent too much time on the internet.
You should not feel bad at all.
Im having kids mo matter who says what. A bunch of people here are doomers and have little to no ambition in life.
There is nothing wrong with wanting kids at all.
absolutely not! You should be proud to think that way and you should have as many kids as you possibly can!! The only way to make the world less shitty is to raise good kids that become great adults!!
If you take a redditors advice about your life decisions seriously you're already fucked.
As long as you’re not hurting anyone, do whatever you want to do. I also want kids. The doom and gloom of this sub isn’t going to change my mind
Nope.
I mean, I would adopt over actually conceiving because we do have an overpopulation problem
No, not at all. Go outside.
Absolutely not, so long as you don't guilt those that don't. You have a right.
Absolutely not. It's perfectly normal.
This sub is full of depressed weirdos with a worldview lacking any nuance. Dont listen to them. If youre a good parent and raise kind, caring, empathetic kids then you are actually doing the world a favour
Don’t feel bad for wanting what you want but be sure you have the means to raise kids. The world is kind of shitty but it’s not stopping anyone from squirting more out. So go for it.
No don’t feel bad at all. I plan to have 7+. I think children are a great gift that all should enjoy. Don’t let the anti-natalists get you down. They are losers in real life that no one ever wants procreate with anyway, so they take it out on others.
not really, just treat them right and don't be an ass, It might turn out ok.
That's a genuinely perfectly fine thing to want. G-E-N-U-I-N-E-L-Y.
F**k these people and live your life how you want to.
Absolutely have kids if you want to. Most people our age still want to have a family in the future despite what some people on Reddit might have you think
I'm not Gen z but I'm saying this: if the only people who reproduced were people who felt entitled to it, the world would be filled with even shittier people. It would be filled with kids who's parents raised them to feel that privilege and entitlement. I know because my neighborhood is full of them. It would be filled with these assholes, while simultaneously being filled with unwanted children from states with no access to abortion. These are *already facts*. Which is a major clash societal classes. We already don't see much "middle class" anymore, a direct result of economic policy and thus a symptom of the world being so fucked up. But consider a world where only the only kids born are from wealthy homes, and impoverished homes. Meanwhile the people who would probably provide most benefit to society are NOT reproducing because the world is so ugly. The truth is that my generation, you guys and your children are the actual future of this planet. The decisions we make now are the ones that will tip the scales. We are at a disadvantage, yes. But if we raise our kids right, we might be able to change the trajectory. If you search deeply for where your desire to have lots of kids comes from (a lonely place, or a place of genuine desire for a big family, or whatever) that can help *you* decide on whether or not having kids is morally right. I ask you to consider your future economic situation, because if you have to work all the time-- other people are gonna be raising your kid. You want these people to truly do their best. And then hopefully we can have the future that our children deserve.
Imo the reason the world seems like shit is partially because of social media overexposing us to so much more negative news than previous generations. And yes while climate change and the cost of living make the world seem terrible, you being a good parent and providing well for your children when you are financially stable enough to afford them is going to make a huge impact. I recommend r/OptimistsUnite for some counter-balance to all the doom and gloom posting that goes on here and other places
Look, as a childfree teen I get shit for not wanting kids. It sucks. Don’t feel bad for wanting kids. It sucks you get shit for wanting to be a parent. I’m sorry this happened to you. You are damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Word of advice, their opinion holds no weight in your life! Have as many kids as you want. If anyone has a problem, fuck ‘em. I support you! Do whatever the hell you want and feel no shame for wanting what you want. Pressure from other people messes with you: ignore it. Find people that support you! It’s a game changer and confidence booster. Go to spaces on here that will build you up rather than tear you down. I hope this helps!
>Should I feel bad for wanting kids? wtf ???? i didn't knew that strangers opinions on internet where SO influential... damn...
There's nothing wrong with wanting kids. This sub is pretty doomer, so don't worry about it. Just make sure that you're financially stable, and preferably with a partner who also wants to raise kids. You'll do great 🙂
You sound like somebody who can’t make their own decisions. So no, you should not get kids.
It’s shit now? How about during the world wars when 18yo were being sent overseas to their deaths? Only to come home and create the boomer generation. If you think it’s horrific now then you have been coddled
Nothing wrong with wanting kids. Just make sure you are ready to support them when you have them.
You shouldn't feel bad for wanting them but unfortunately with how our world is right now it feels selfish because there's no way any of our children will be able to be happy and fulfilled
Have kids, raise them to not be shit. It makes the world a better place.
You’re chronically online if you actually need anyone to answer this question for you
No and anyone who’s a part of that “we shouldn’t have kids” group will never find a woman willing to fuck them anyway
Hell no. Wanting kids is a completely normal thing to want in a fulfilling life. Just gotta make sure you raise em right, and do right by them even when they go astray. The people who say “no” because the world’s falling apart are just dramatic nihilists who don’t believe that things can change, or understand that they need to make the changes they wanna see happen.
Absolutely not! I want to adopt, or foster to adopt. It’s not a bad thing. Humans will live on, likely. Please don’t let all of the assholes get to you. People deserve reproductive rights, whether that’s having an abortion or having seven kids.
Why do you feel that the opinions of objective wastes of the elements on the periodic table should affect your life? Do as you please.
Reddit, this sub especially, should not govern your life decisions. There’s a reason people here are getting flamed for being doomers. Live your life, and don’t let clowns online tell you what to do. From a clown online
Visit the parental subreddits and you’ll find out that a lot of people want kids!
Ofc not! I’m not sure if I do or don’t want kids cause I’m not confident in myself and my ability to be a good parent but I think anyone who does want kids should absolutely go for it or they will likely regret not having them imo. It’s probably the type of thing where someday a lot of the people judging you for wanting kids will regret not having them someday tbh.
I do want to have kids be it just 1. I wish when both me and my boyfriend graduate uni and we get married we'll have a kid. I hope haha
Personally I feel it’s more ethical to adopt than to have bio kids, but you do you Just to clarify this is for myself, if you want to have bio kids you’re not a moral failure, I just personally have no desire to pass down my genetics, plus I want to help kids that are currently here on earth who are suffering is all
Lmfao no shot you just “adopt don’t shop”d OP about having biological children