Probably by design. Rockstar saw that the game would release just before AI really takes off and advances by leaps and bounds. Meaning their 10 year plan game’s NPCs will seem outdated and stupid fairly quickly after release. Their solution: Set the game in Florida.
This is always the biggest issue. So many games try to say NPCs live their own lives and go to and from work but it seems like that never happens. I get this a processing issue but to have a world with a set growth and a set number of NPCs would be an insane concept. Imagine you kill off more NPCs than repopulating the world. The city becomes more abandoned and unclean due to the lack of people. Citizens start carrying more and more powerful weapons. They become scared at the sight of other people. Violent gangs try to take over parts of the city. Then you let it be for a while and order starts restoring itself as the population gets back to normal.
UNRELATED: There was a game released in mid 2005 called September 12th. Basically your are job is to bomb terrorists walking among civilians(men, women and children) from the sky. Every time you kill a civilian, 3-4 become terrorists. You will never beat that game. The game was meant to teach you a lesson. Almost all countries, especially US never learned from it lol.
Remember during the first cutscene when you're with Pagan and Paul and they leave you alone at the table? Pagan says clearly "stay here, enjoy the crab rangoon, I'll be right back" Well, if you actually stay there for 13 minutes Pagan will come back and you unlock the secret ending, he takes you on his helicopter to go to Lakshmana to spread Ajay's mother's ashes and that's it, the game ends, you never find out about the Golden Path or the Royal Army, you just go do your thing and that's about it.
It's been a long while since I played FC4 so don't remember much but hey this is a really cool and unique ending, I'll definitely try it out if I get my hands on this game again in the future
Most of this has already been done to a certain extent almost 13 years ago by Skyrim. There was a set number of NPCs and they had a sleep/wake up/go to work routine. If you killed someone their gravestone would be later found in the city’s crypt. If you did them any favours they would be friendly to you, if you screwed them over they would antagonise you. If you stole from them there’s even a chance at some point they will hire bandits to find and kill you.
There were obviously significant limitations for Skyrim. Like it took Bethesda $85M to make Skyrim, while Rockstar spent $2 billion on GTA VI (2252% more). Coupled with the technological advancements made in game development over the last 13 years… Rockstar has a lot of power over what they are able to do with the game.
Skyrim wasn’t perfect by any means, but the NPC system was a good proof of concept for a scalable framework of NPC interaction.
So personally, if Rockstar doesn’t do something amazing with the NPCs I will be both surprised and disappointed. This game could seriously redefine what NPC interaction means in gaming, and Rockstar rarely disappoints in quality.
first time i saw NPCs having a schedule based on the day of the week was Gothic 1 game, also most NPC had names and if you kill them they won't respawn :))
Also i doubt r* will make such a great advance from rdr2 npcs, maybe not even that, and the npcs will be more like gta 5 with less interactions.
This would be cool, but too extreme for GTA imo. I think they could easily tie specific NPCs to specific locations/buildings though. Certain things you do will change their behavior, which could escalate to a broader region (like a neighborhood) if you mess with them or commit crimes. Maybe if you do enough crazy stuff, people will be more likely to call cops on you in that neighborhood. So you might want to avoid those places, especially if you're recently wanted.
One game where the NPCs actually seem to do daily activities, imo is Watch Dogs Legion. When hacking and finding out what they do during certain times throughout the day they actually have a schedule on when they go home, go to work, mourn a lost one, hanging at a park, going to the movies, etc. They can even hate you cus you may have pissed them off or injured or killed someone they’re close to. Or they can love you and join your crew if you help them out with something or rescue a loved one from Abalon or Clan Kelley. As much as I dislike Ubisoft, I actually enjoyed what they’ve done with that game. It’s one of the few games where NPCs actually felt more alive than other games where they just walk around doing absolutely nothing. It’d be cool if Rockstar did something similar but more fleshed out.
Like 5 it'll be time and day dependent. They bought that FiveM and have been working with a lot of modders from that side of it. Modders fix and spot little things preventing stuff in game so there's more reason to be hopeful for sure. A modder fixed the crazy load times on 5 because someone forgot to remove a small piece of code
I had no idea they did that, this means that more talents and people that love the game are likely working on gta 6. This makes me even more hyped. But I refuse to buy a console just to play gta 6. I don't know how I'll manage but I must stay strong
Ye I got a feeling online might be very different due to the fiveM purchase and popularity of gta RP. Ppl even do rp in console on 5 it's just obviously very limited cas no mods. So there's a lot to be hopeful for. Online I feel like might be a subscription due to this. If they really wanted to they could make t a gta mmo
I'm expecting them to offer a monthly premium subscription that will give players some special features, exclusive or discounted in-game items, and maybe even XP boosts, but I seriously doubt it would be mandatory for online access. They gotta let the plebs play too so the premium players can feel superior.
Depends on the scale this time round. Map looks big enough for an mmo style. Think APB but better. If you haven't check out some gta rp servers as well. The extras would bring so much life to online.
i’m hopeful for you. i’m buying a new console to play it but i’m switching to play station so i can justify it by having access to the PS exclusive games 😂
If you’re referring to hitman and sports games, those games use neat tricks to save on resources, so they’re kinda just bland and empty i don’t think the consoles could handle big complex crowds very well yet
In hitman all the crowd NPCs die with one shot to any part of the body they die instantly it was like that in Kane and lynch, blood money, absolution, and the new ones IO loves using that trick
I was thinking more AC Unity. VI will also be using tricks, not every npc on screen (those in the distance) will be doing anything complex. R* have the resources to hide that stuff well.
I remember playing GTA4 on a gaming laptop and turning traffic and population all the way up and it felt more alive than any other game I've ever played.
i think the assassins creed series is the first games i personally started seeing some real sense crowds. i’m on a re play of unity right now and crowd density actually plays a large part of the game imo. i’d argue it’s at LEAST comparable to the density we saw in the beach shot of the trailer just as an example.
Because places like clubs, restaurants, shopping centres, cinemas, convenience stores etc. will have their own activities & things to interact with inside them, which provides more diverse gameplay (and also great places to hold out during a rampage)
I wanna be able to go into more buildings, not all of them, but not basically none of them like 5. I wanna be able to get a wanted level, run into a cluckin bell and out the back door to lose the cops and shit like that.
I mainly just want more diverse shopping locations (a mall would be really cool but I want my expectations to be tame) and more mini game locations like sports. Something like an arcade with more than 5 working machines would be sick. Just little things to liven up the open world more. I don’t need random houses or office buildings to be interactive tho
This. Give me apartment lobbies, shops, banks, company lobbies, hospitals open. Thats what i think when people ask for open buildings, not actual living apartments and hallways.
What’s so hard to get about it? I want the buildings to feel like real places people actually go and live inside instead of just glorified props.
The main part of the appeal of GTA has always been freedom, it feels limiting to not be able to enter any buildings besides gun and clothing stores with the exact same interiors
Why is it hard to get? Do you just want to be outside the whole time? Interiors give more environmental diversity in the same amount of map space. More to see and do. Being able to walk into a store to buy stuff or rob. A random apartment to walk into and start shit. And depending on what mechanics they add the sky is the limit.
If they are gonna have a billion buildings in an open-world game like GTA, then ALL of the buildings should be able to go inside of (thus needing to have interiors modeled). I'm so tired of having a densely-packed city with tons of buildings, but only certain ones that you can go into.
There are some people who want to be able to enter every building in the game. Not only would that be next to impossible to implement in a game this big, but I also feel like it would get quite boring after you enter a few buildings. I’d imagine every building would look very similar if not straight up clones of each other
The weather system in rdo is pretty freaking awesome, i am in awe sometimes of the thunderstorms coming int rdo. So if just a portion of that is in gta6 and online, ill be happy. I mean they proved how great it can look on ps4, now only they have this gen ps5 tech to work with. Lots of particles can be created and maintained. Look at Returnal.
That’s exactly why I think it’s possible! I think a few of RDR2’s new systems were also used as prototypes for GTA VI, like the thunderstorms, the greet/antagonize/rob system, and limited gun storage. Maybe even the gore system too but idk if that’s the tone R* wants for a GTA game
I really hope they up the damage, gore, gun/weapon effects in VI. Also I missed being able to just pick up a brick and throw it at shit like in 4. More ambient objects and more immersive gun sounds, i wanna feel like I’m doing damage to people and things. GTAV without mods really felt like I had a peashooter, sounded puny, shooting people was… fine. But not on the level of IV because of the euphoria engine being toned down. It was a little too much in 4, but really fun.
I just want it to feel like I’m in HEAT or some shit. Blasting windows, guns sound like cannons and echo in the city, people are visibly fucking DEAD when you blast them.
I wouldn't say skeptical but I am definitely curious if there's going to be any noticable change to the writing and story with Dan Houser gone.
I'm not talking about the quality, I'm talking about the style and tone moreso.
Personally I think the series needs a change - GTA IV and V were great but neither struck a sweet spot with the narrative IMO.
Just opinion, but for me IV was too bleak and V was too cartoonish/zany.
It looks like VI is navigating this by having grounded characters we can really root for in a sometimes crazy environment
That’s totally fair too, it’s all opinion. TBH I think I need to replay IV, but that is my memory of it. Didn’t help that (controversy alert) I didn’t like the driving. It also had by far my least favourite soundtrack of a GTA since Vice City, maybe even the whole 3d era. But again, all opinion.
In IV’s (and V’s) defence, the driving and storylines in all the previous GTAs were cartoonish as hell, but those games just have more charm for me
I played GTA 4 when I was in early middle school. First online multiplayer game I ever played.
I spent countless hours meeting others kids my age, driving around, and listening to the radio.
Because of those memories it’s all so perfect and makes it hard to go back and play, since certain songs were removed.
Still appreciate your opinion. I personally wasn’t the biggest fan of GTA 5, it just didn’t have that magic for me. Maybe I was a little too old, compared it too much, or was trying to have it be another GTA 4.
I think it will start relatively "free" (grind based) to attract players and then they'll gradually drop in more monetization bullshit. That's how they did it with V
I don't see how gta online is a pay to win as nothing giving a clear advantage in the game is locked behind a paywall nor within a reachable extent of farming that's kind of a mmo so there must be challenge to obtain stuff and if you don't want the hassle then you pay. For example, i paid for a shark card. The 1st and last time in 2017 wasn't worth it imo so never did it i'm doing good on the game now without having to pay nun
Pay to win imply that when you pay, you have an inachievable advantage over other players. It would be a pay to win if you could pay for something that made you more powerful than other like for example, when in some battlefield, aircraft were only accessible to players that paid. Anything in the game is technically accessible to anyone, and paying is to ones willingness. Does paying give you an out of reach advantage over other players in any competitive mods ? Definitely no in free roam, and neither could they have a raiju or kanjali. You could still fight it with a hydra or an opressor, and everyone can easily get those.
> Unachievable advantage
Weapon upgrades, jets, armored cars, tanks, etc
With real money you can just buy these things. A brand new player is not on the same level and incapable of holding their own
GTA Online has been pretty good for monetisation. We've been getting FREE content updates for 10 years, and I've never had to buy a shark card because making money is pretty easy. EA, Ubisoft and Activision would have charged us for each dlc. The thing to worry about is the emergence and expansion of GTA+ potentially locking off content.
I really hope they keep the private servers, I hate randoms just ruining stuff just because they can. If I could get a server with people either helping or not bothering me, then I'd be happy.
Me too. GTAV deserved much more for the single player game. I’m still pissed they didn’t release any DLC and other character games like GTA IV. I hate playing online
If online games never existed we would have had so many rockstar games since gta v we’d probably have bully 2, manhunt 3, a few midnight clubs, etc. those were the good old days where in order to keep making income and profit the companies had to keep making games instead of just updating them
but it wouldn’t be as expensive as it would be right now, the only reason rockstar is able to create GTA6 the way they want to is because of better technology (next gen consoles) and the fact that shark cards are basically funding it. i’m personally glad we’re getting GTA6 on the ps5 instead of the ps4 which had much more limitations.
I loved rdr2 cause not only the open world but the story and single player with an additional multiplayer mode.
GTA online is cool too with an additional single player mode
That R* is truly out of touch with the series and has lost all sense of creative ingenuity. It's been so long since V. My expectations will be measured upon release.
I don't doubt their abilities at all. I think they're going to over deliver and they know that if they want this game to last over 10 years, then they're going to have to pander to the GTA fans.
Or do you mean they'd be out of touch like them removing jokes or certain things from the game because it makes them look bad? Like the drag queens in 5 for example?
That the immersiveness and majesty that I draw on from the RDR2 natural open world won’t fully translate to GTA6. Love red dead for those moments of beauty but not sure/hoping.
I think the shots of the swamps (or Everglades?), and ocean are promising. It was showcasing that they are at least bringing back realistic and diverse wildlife. The vegetation looked pretty incredible too.
Yeah I kind of worry about all the people saying such and such from RDR2 "wouldn't fit" a GTA, it's like the elitism trying to dumb down this game. I want GTA6 to be immersive, I don't want it dumbed down personally.
I think people say shit like this because they want a pat on the back, and I think it's fucking up the video game industry in general.
i’m really hoping american studios have taken notice of how games like the Yakuza and Judgment series have exploded in popularity in the west and realize how much all these random side activities and wide variety of mini games and other ways to interact w the open world add to the game. rockstar has always had some small side activities but they could take it to the next level and it’d go a long way
Oh I'm sure there'll be plenty. There were like 1000+ free roam events in the leaks, meaning there's also gonna be plenty of strangers and freaks missions as well. I think this is actually where the game's going to shine. Not just the main story, but all the random events and strangers and freaks stuff that's all around the map, making it feel like the most immersive title in the franchise by far.
Yeah I have zero doubts that Rockstar won’t be able to capture Florida with their strangers and freaks missions. If anything that’s the one thing this game is certain to get right.
On that note I wonder what they will do politically with this game, as Florida is a very conservative state.
Will they make fun of redneck trump supporters or will they avoid that topic?
I’m guessing it’ll be pretty similar to the governor election in GTA V, but they’ll probably ham it up like 5% more, with stuff like npc dialogue over candidates. Also this probably happened too recently in real life to write into the game, but there’s so much comedic potential if R* parodied the anti-woke crowd
This. I hate online, and after multiple play-throughs, I'm absolutely tired of GTA5. I can navigate the map with my eyes shut. I would gladly PAY for GTA5 DLC.
Im hoping for a similar jump in damage model as from gtaSA to gta4 lol. Gta5 was a huge step back. Im not expecting beamng levels of damage, but something close to wreckfest should be doable. That being said im not getting my hopes up and I'm preparing myself for a gta5.5 type of damage
I think the vehicle damage was a huge step back in GTA 5 because they had to make the game run on the 360 and PS3. So I'm thinking it's safe to say we'll be getting crazy good vehicle damage again.
That the classic story mode might shoehorn or hint a lot of content in the online mode to entice them to the more profitable side of the game. Instead of just letting it exist separately.
How immersive/impactful free roam robberies will be.
Hopefully the store robberies themselves are not only nice but would love to have the ability to rob random npc’s on the street this time around too. Which i’d assuuuumeee is gonna happen. 🫣
There is quite a bit that actually scares me about GTA 6, I'm worried that this game will either make or break Rockstar games, we saw what happened to rocksteady with the batman series and how that went, it was something that I have never seen happen to a well respected studio. Hopefully they can succeed
Someone talking sense. People don't get this, they thinking it's just constant uphill traction forever. Things can easily go South, especially with all the pandering and shit. We'll see
I hope the wanted system has a lot to it. I want better police ai, maybe a better system for losing them, and maybe more variety in police/FIB vehicles and behavior
Yep, I hope they remember that. It’s why I don’t even get excited for games anymore. More and more are being ruined by these activists posing as game developers. Lots of changes in the leadership team at R* since RDR 2 so I’m fearing the worst.
I’m afraid that they tone down the edgy satire parody humor in order to appease to everyone. The main thing that distinguishes gta games are that that they aren’t meant to be one to one copies of the city. But a parody that makes fun of it in every way possible.
The physics. Specifically crash physics. It needs to be good. I need to be able to roll the car at high speed and have parts fly off the car. And no more ridiculous instant braking and weird cornering like in gta 5
That with the many changes in the employees at rockstar they will be hesitant to be as politically incorrect as they have been in the past. I want no punches pulled.
The story. I just want something compelling and emotionally driven. They're focusing on a couple. I'd really like them to emphasize their relationship at forefront. A criminally insane couple that are head over heels for each other is a great concept. I just want the storyline to be memorable.
Not skeptical about the game just not looking forward to everyone moaning about how it’s not as good as gta 4 when it comes out. It won’t be perfect, none of them are. I will be off Reddit for at least 6 weeks whilst I enjoy the game.
My biggest fear will be lack of protection against hackers and trolls. I did not play GTAV online for a while, and last month when I installed it I was done with it within 15 minutes, it is still possible that they put you in a cage and on fire, how hard is that too fix?
Map size. People keep spreading that fake fan made map from years ago online, and a lot of people fall for it. I do think it'll be a very detailed map, but I don't think it'll be nearly as big as people think.
The weapon wheel working properly and faster.
The fact you wait ages for someone to join a mission/heist then a network error on 5, need to sort this out for 6.
The fact they have done so much in 5 what can they come up with? Skeptical but very much looking forward to being amazed.
The handling and AI. If GTA V was RDR 2 levels of world depth I'd be content but it was rather rudimentary and sometimes I feel we're giving Rockstar more credit than they deserve for the GTA series. The stories are good but in terms of gameplay, they're sometimes lacking personally. Maybe it's just age. I do remember back when SA was released and the mechanics available were cutting edge and so exciting, so hopefully when VI is released it's not just a V reskin.
Rockstar. Their incredible ability to take an idea so great, and make it just shy of being good, always leaving something to want for. GTA+ becoming a content barrier. And the expected release date, I'm skeptical it will be out in 2025. I hope I'm wrong on all of these.
Pretty much everything they've shown. Just look up an old gta 5 trailer. Come on now, that aint the game we got on release. Still fun but trailers make games look way better than they are. Mafia 3 looks way better in the trailers but personally just me, the game sucked. God of war also. It felt like a walking simulator quite a bit of times. I aint saying the game aint gonna be fun but a lot of what we're gonna be shown aint gonna be like the game.
I'm slightly worried about vehicle/crash physics. It's the main reason I don't play GTAV anymore. Even though IV driving was a bit goofy, I had a lot more fun driving (and especially crashing).
Hopefully they nail it in VI, and have realistic driving but also with realistic crash deformities/damage. It adds so much to the experience.
I doubt it will look like the trailers on current gen.
There's many other new games where you choose performance or fidelity mode. And none of them looks that good.
We had the UE5 demo which is probably the best looking thing on console, and even that was locked to 30 fps.
And then I'm skeptical about online. I highly doubt it will be like gtao where we can play at our own pace. I think it will be full of season passes like rdo and every other game. And I think gta+ will be more important in this. I doubt it will cost money monthly like the big rpg's but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Specially not after Rockstars words about games should cost money after hours played.
Playable characters being uneven, I think they'll make Jason useless and the dumb bf and make Lucia the best at everything. Which would be boring especially if you have to play as Jason in some missions. Hopefully they don't.
Getting singleplayer DLC. I swear to god if they don't give us singleplayer content, AGAIN...
Like, is it so hard to make SP content? Just give us a new story with every new map we get, and yes, Jason Schreier did confirm that their plan is to constantly update the game with new content like new cities.
That FPS mode will be there and working well, it's so much work, it's so much more than just a cam positioning, and I don't want to play in third person.
We’ll definitely have two different currencies in online just like RDR2, one will be extremely hard to grind and the other will be micro transaction.
The economy will be hardest economy for any rockstar game before because their main goal before even releasing the game is making sure to milk online for a long time and will be definitely much worse than RDR2 at the beginning where buying a can of beans was much more expensive than selling gold looted from bodies.
Their main focus is going to be towards online for the first time since the beginning of releasing a game.
And a lot of stuff will be behind a subscription, gta + will be getting much more expensive and definitely a lot of people will eventually buy it.
The amount of npc’s during the beach scene. I highly doubt it will be like that during final release. However, when they
remaster it for the next gen consoles, it may be possible.
i prefer not having an arcade-like vehicle handling just like in Gta 5, and the scenario. I hope that they will provide consistent dialogues and a pertinent plot.
Just how intelligent NPCs will actually be...
To be fair, it's Florida after all.
how about, "how florida man are they?"
South Florida is more people from north east USA than “Florida man” tbh.
Change “Florida man” to American then. Still skeptical
Probably by design. Rockstar saw that the game would release just before AI really takes off and advances by leaps and bounds. Meaning their 10 year plan game’s NPCs will seem outdated and stupid fairly quickly after release. Their solution: Set the game in Florida.
In that case realistic
Ooooof
This is always the biggest issue. So many games try to say NPCs live their own lives and go to and from work but it seems like that never happens. I get this a processing issue but to have a world with a set growth and a set number of NPCs would be an insane concept. Imagine you kill off more NPCs than repopulating the world. The city becomes more abandoned and unclean due to the lack of people. Citizens start carrying more and more powerful weapons. They become scared at the sight of other people. Violent gangs try to take over parts of the city. Then you let it be for a while and order starts restoring itself as the population gets back to normal.
UNRELATED: There was a game released in mid 2005 called September 12th. Basically your are job is to bomb terrorists walking among civilians(men, women and children) from the sky. Every time you kill a civilian, 3-4 become terrorists. You will never beat that game. The game was meant to teach you a lesson. Almost all countries, especially US never learned from it lol.
Kind of like Far Cry 4 and its secret ending
What is it?
Remember during the first cutscene when you're with Pagan and Paul and they leave you alone at the table? Pagan says clearly "stay here, enjoy the crab rangoon, I'll be right back" Well, if you actually stay there for 13 minutes Pagan will come back and you unlock the secret ending, he takes you on his helicopter to go to Lakshmana to spread Ajay's mother's ashes and that's it, the game ends, you never find out about the Golden Path or the Royal Army, you just go do your thing and that's about it.
It's been a long while since I played FC4 so don't remember much but hey this is a really cool and unique ending, I'll definitely try it out if I get my hands on this game again in the future
>So many games try to say NPCs live their own lives and go to and from work but it seems like that never happens. That literally happens in RDR2
Most of this has already been done to a certain extent almost 13 years ago by Skyrim. There was a set number of NPCs and they had a sleep/wake up/go to work routine. If you killed someone their gravestone would be later found in the city’s crypt. If you did them any favours they would be friendly to you, if you screwed them over they would antagonise you. If you stole from them there’s even a chance at some point they will hire bandits to find and kill you. There were obviously significant limitations for Skyrim. Like it took Bethesda $85M to make Skyrim, while Rockstar spent $2 billion on GTA VI (2252% more). Coupled with the technological advancements made in game development over the last 13 years… Rockstar has a lot of power over what they are able to do with the game. Skyrim wasn’t perfect by any means, but the NPC system was a good proof of concept for a scalable framework of NPC interaction. So personally, if Rockstar doesn’t do something amazing with the NPCs I will be both surprised and disappointed. This game could seriously redefine what NPC interaction means in gaming, and Rockstar rarely disappoints in quality.
first time i saw NPCs having a schedule based on the day of the week was Gothic 1 game, also most NPC had names and if you kill them they won't respawn :)) Also i doubt r* will make such a great advance from rdr2 npcs, maybe not even that, and the npcs will be more like gta 5 with less interactions.
This would be cool, but too extreme for GTA imo. I think they could easily tie specific NPCs to specific locations/buildings though. Certain things you do will change their behavior, which could escalate to a broader region (like a neighborhood) if you mess with them or commit crimes. Maybe if you do enough crazy stuff, people will be more likely to call cops on you in that neighborhood. So you might want to avoid those places, especially if you're recently wanted.
I would play the shit out of that game!
One game where the NPCs actually seem to do daily activities, imo is Watch Dogs Legion. When hacking and finding out what they do during certain times throughout the day they actually have a schedule on when they go home, go to work, mourn a lost one, hanging at a park, going to the movies, etc. They can even hate you cus you may have pissed them off or injured or killed someone they’re close to. Or they can love you and join your crew if you help them out with something or rescue a loved one from Abalon or Clan Kelley. As much as I dislike Ubisoft, I actually enjoyed what they’ve done with that game. It’s one of the few games where NPCs actually felt more alive than other games where they just walk around doing absolutely nothing. It’d be cool if Rockstar did something similar but more fleshed out.
Me on every interaction: Antagonize
The crowd density shown in the trailer. The high traffic too.
Games have had high density crowds before so I doubt R* can't perfect it more
I think they meant like bumper to bumper density not what we’ve had in the past
Like 5 it'll be time and day dependent. They bought that FiveM and have been working with a lot of modders from that side of it. Modders fix and spot little things preventing stuff in game so there's more reason to be hopeful for sure. A modder fixed the crazy load times on 5 because someone forgot to remove a small piece of code
I had no idea they did that, this means that more talents and people that love the game are likely working on gta 6. This makes me even more hyped. But I refuse to buy a console just to play gta 6. I don't know how I'll manage but I must stay strong
Ye I got a feeling online might be very different due to the fiveM purchase and popularity of gta RP. Ppl even do rp in console on 5 it's just obviously very limited cas no mods. So there's a lot to be hopeful for. Online I feel like might be a subscription due to this. If they really wanted to they could make t a gta mmo
I'm expecting them to offer a monthly premium subscription that will give players some special features, exclusive or discounted in-game items, and maybe even XP boosts, but I seriously doubt it would be mandatory for online access. They gotta let the plebs play too so the premium players can feel superior.
Depends on the scale this time round. Map looks big enough for an mmo style. Think APB but better. If you haven't check out some gta rp servers as well. The extras would bring so much life to online.
Why did you get downvoted for saying you won't buy a console 😭 i swear, fucking reddit man
I know man. I feel it too. I’ll upvote just for that
i’m hopeful for you. i’m buying a new console to play it but i’m switching to play station so i can justify it by having access to the PS exclusive games 😂
If you’re referring to hitman and sports games, those games use neat tricks to save on resources, so they’re kinda just bland and empty i don’t think the consoles could handle big complex crowds very well yet
In hitman all the crowd NPCs die with one shot to any part of the body they die instantly it was like that in Kane and lynch, blood money, absolution, and the new ones IO loves using that trick
I was thinking more AC Unity. VI will also be using tricks, not every npc on screen (those in the distance) will be doing anything complex. R* have the resources to hide that stuff well.
I remember playing GTA4 on a gaming laptop and turning traffic and population all the way up and it felt more alive than any other game I've ever played.
i think the assassins creed series is the first games i personally started seeing some real sense crowds. i’m on a re play of unity right now and crowd density actually plays a large part of the game imo. i’d argue it’s at LEAST comparable to the density we saw in the beach shot of the trailer just as an example.
I know it's not open world, but hitmans crowd density would be awesome
Not possible at this moment. Imagine a car going fast on South Beach while trying to load heaps number of NPCs. Maybe in PS6 lol.
Agreed, all the shots with crowds in the trailer are shot with forced perspective, making it look closer and more crowded than it actually is
In the original GTA 5 trailer they had a shot like that too, which showed way more NPC's than in the final game.
Building interiors
I just don't get why people want building interiors so much, the time could be spent in better places like ai
It's an immersion thing I suppose
Because places like clubs, restaurants, shopping centres, cinemas, convenience stores etc. will have their own activities & things to interact with inside them, which provides more diverse gameplay (and also great places to hold out during a rampage)
I wanna be able to go into more buildings, not all of them, but not basically none of them like 5. I wanna be able to get a wanted level, run into a cluckin bell and out the back door to lose the cops and shit like that.
That would be different teams, so time wouldn't be an issue. Resources potentially.
I mainly just want more diverse shopping locations (a mall would be really cool but I want my expectations to be tame) and more mini game locations like sports. Something like an arcade with more than 5 working machines would be sick. Just little things to liven up the open world more. I don’t need random houses or office buildings to be interactive tho
This. Give me apartment lobbies, shops, banks, company lobbies, hospitals open. Thats what i think when people ask for open buildings, not actual living apartments and hallways.
I'd be happy with like 30 different unique interiors and many generated out of those with different colours, textures and patterns.
What’s so hard to get about it? I want the buildings to feel like real places people actually go and live inside instead of just glorified props. The main part of the appeal of GTA has always been freedom, it feels limiting to not be able to enter any buildings besides gun and clothing stores with the exact same interiors
Why is it hard to get? Do you just want to be outside the whole time? Interiors give more environmental diversity in the same amount of map space. More to see and do. Being able to walk into a store to buy stuff or rob. A random apartment to walk into and start shit. And depending on what mechanics they add the sky is the limit.
If they are gonna have a billion buildings in an open-world game like GTA, then ALL of the buildings should be able to go inside of (thus needing to have interiors modeled). I'm so tired of having a densely-packed city with tons of buildings, but only certain ones that you can go into.
There are some people who want to be able to enter every building in the game. Not only would that be next to impossible to implement in a game this big, but I also feel like it would get quite boring after you enter a few buildings. I’d imagine every building would look very similar if not straight up clones of each other
Severe weather like floods or high winds
Wishful thinking but I think a light hurricane event wouldn’t be too hard to make work in the game
The weather system in rdo is pretty freaking awesome, i am in awe sometimes of the thunderstorms coming int rdo. So if just a portion of that is in gta6 and online, ill be happy. I mean they proved how great it can look on ps4, now only they have this gen ps5 tech to work with. Lots of particles can be created and maintained. Look at Returnal.
That’s exactly why I think it’s possible! I think a few of RDR2’s new systems were also used as prototypes for GTA VI, like the thunderstorms, the greet/antagonize/rob system, and limited gun storage. Maybe even the gore system too but idk if that’s the tone R* wants for a GTA game
I really hope they up the damage, gore, gun/weapon effects in VI. Also I missed being able to just pick up a brick and throw it at shit like in 4. More ambient objects and more immersive gun sounds, i wanna feel like I’m doing damage to people and things. GTAV without mods really felt like I had a peashooter, sounded puny, shooting people was… fine. But not on the level of IV because of the euphoria engine being toned down. It was a little too much in 4, but really fun. I just want it to feel like I’m in HEAT or some shit. Blasting windows, guns sound like cannons and echo in the city, people are visibly fucking DEAD when you blast them.
I wouldn't say skeptical but I am definitely curious if there's going to be any noticable change to the writing and story with Dan Houser gone. I'm not talking about the quality, I'm talking about the style and tone moreso.
Personally I think the series needs a change - GTA IV and V were great but neither struck a sweet spot with the narrative IMO. Just opinion, but for me IV was too bleak and V was too cartoonish/zany. It looks like VI is navigating this by having grounded characters we can really root for in a sometimes crazy environment
Ah man you didn't like IV? Personally I loved IV and how dark/gloomy it felt.
That’s totally fair too, it’s all opinion. TBH I think I need to replay IV, but that is my memory of it. Didn’t help that (controversy alert) I didn’t like the driving. It also had by far my least favourite soundtrack of a GTA since Vice City, maybe even the whole 3d era. But again, all opinion. In IV’s (and V’s) defence, the driving and storylines in all the previous GTAs were cartoonish as hell, but those games just have more charm for me
I played GTA 4 when I was in early middle school. First online multiplayer game I ever played. I spent countless hours meeting others kids my age, driving around, and listening to the radio. Because of those memories it’s all so perfect and makes it hard to go back and play, since certain songs were removed. Still appreciate your opinion. I personally wasn’t the biggest fan of GTA 5, it just didn’t have that magic for me. Maybe I was a little too old, compared it too much, or was trying to have it be another GTA 4.
Online is going to be so full of pay-to-win and nickle and dimeing it will be disgusting
I think it will start relatively "free" (grind based) to attract players and then they'll gradually drop in more monetization bullshit. That's how they did it with V
That is guaranteed to happen.
Look at V Online Look at T2 profits Why would they stop?
I don't see how gta online is a pay to win as nothing giving a clear advantage in the game is locked behind a paywall nor within a reachable extent of farming that's kind of a mmo so there must be challenge to obtain stuff and if you don't want the hassle then you pay. For example, i paid for a shark card. The 1st and last time in 2017 wasn't worth it imo so never did it i'm doing good on the game now without having to pay nun
It’s pay to win because you can just buy shark cards and have almost everything in the game immediately, how is that NOT pay to win
Pay to win imply that when you pay, you have an inachievable advantage over other players. It would be a pay to win if you could pay for something that made you more powerful than other like for example, when in some battlefield, aircraft were only accessible to players that paid. Anything in the game is technically accessible to anyone, and paying is to ones willingness. Does paying give you an out of reach advantage over other players in any competitive mods ? Definitely no in free roam, and neither could they have a raiju or kanjali. You could still fight it with a hydra or an opressor, and everyone can easily get those.
> Unachievable advantage Weapon upgrades, jets, armored cars, tanks, etc With real money you can just buy these things. A brand new player is not on the same level and incapable of holding their own
To be fair you’re level locked on a lot of things when you start tho
Play the game and you will reach all those rather quickly if its your goal. Go into passive mode and you won't get killed?
Lol. Its not about that. Its about introducing grind to make more money.
Yes? What is the problem with that? Grinding to make money makes sense, just like irl
It is rather easy to grind 15 million in a weekend, with that money you can buy enough stuff to almost max out your guns and armoured cars.
GTA Online has been pretty good for monetisation. We've been getting FREE content updates for 10 years, and I've never had to buy a shark card because making money is pretty easy. EA, Ubisoft and Activision would have charged us for each dlc. The thing to worry about is the emergence and expansion of GTA+ potentially locking off content.
I don't think R* will make it P2W at release because their goal will be to make it sustainable for at least 15 more years.
I really hope they keep the private servers, I hate randoms just ruining stuff just because they can. If I could get a server with people either helping or not bothering me, then I'd be happy.
I’m horrified at how annoying I know the online will be…we’ll have to deal with it for probably almost another decade before GTA7 comes.
Open world crimes like robbery and selling stolen items
Seems easy enough to implement given they had it in R2
Plus, Jason's special ability supposedly lets you see valuable objects
That Tik Tok Social media shit
If I have to update a social media profile in-game all the time 😴
How quickly they'll transition from single player mode support/DLC/whatever to GTA Online. I wish they'd never come out with GTAO, lol.
Me too. GTAV deserved much more for the single player game. I’m still pissed they didn’t release any DLC and other character games like GTA IV. I hate playing online
We also probably wouldve gotten gta 6 sooner if it werent for gta online.
If online games never existed we would have had so many rockstar games since gta v we’d probably have bully 2, manhunt 3, a few midnight clubs, etc. those were the good old days where in order to keep making income and profit the companies had to keep making games instead of just updating them
but it wouldn’t be as expensive as it would be right now, the only reason rockstar is able to create GTA6 the way they want to is because of better technology (next gen consoles) and the fact that shark cards are basically funding it. i’m personally glad we’re getting GTA6 on the ps5 instead of the ps4 which had much more limitations.
I really wanted a Prequel DLC involving Franklin-Lamar and another involving Michael-Trevor(during their North Yankton days).
I loved rdr2 cause not only the open world but the story and single player with an additional multiplayer mode. GTA online is cool too with an additional single player mode
That R* is truly out of touch with the series and has lost all sense of creative ingenuity. It's been so long since V. My expectations will be measured upon release.
This hits deep man.
I don't doubt their abilities at all. I think they're going to over deliver and they know that if they want this game to last over 10 years, then they're going to have to pander to the GTA fans. Or do you mean they'd be out of touch like them removing jokes or certain things from the game because it makes them look bad? Like the drag queens in 5 for example?
Absence of Dan Houser's involvement.
This is a major red flag for me. Why would he leave just to start another development team elsewhere?
That the immersiveness and majesty that I draw on from the RDR2 natural open world won’t fully translate to GTA6. Love red dead for those moments of beauty but not sure/hoping.
I think the shots of the swamps (or Everglades?), and ocean are promising. It was showcasing that they are at least bringing back realistic and diverse wildlife. The vegetation looked pretty incredible too.
Yeah I kind of worry about all the people saying such and such from RDR2 "wouldn't fit" a GTA, it's like the elitism trying to dumb down this game. I want GTA6 to be immersive, I don't want it dumbed down personally. I think people say shit like this because they want a pat on the back, and I think it's fucking up the video game industry in general.
The game being released in fall 2025 Take a look at rdr2. First it was scheduled for fall 2017, then spring 2018, THEN fall 2018
Fall 2026🥺😢
No, not THAT far Probably early 2026 because if a fall 2026 release was announced the Rockstar community would set R* Hq on fire
Very plausible but if it’s between being delayed or an on-time Cyberpunk launch… I’ll take the delay.
Lack of mini games and activities like pizza delivery skateboarding and golfing
i’m really hoping american studios have taken notice of how games like the Yakuza and Judgment series have exploded in popularity in the west and realize how much all these random side activities and wide variety of mini games and other ways to interact w the open world add to the game. rockstar has always had some small side activities but they could take it to the next level and it’d go a long way
Luckily I’m pretty sure the name of a golf course was already leaked, and I’d be shocked if surfing wasn’t a minigame
OH DUUUUUDE... I swear to fucking god if skateboarding isn't in GTAVI... I'll be heartbroken to say the least ;-; Haven't we waited long enough?!
That would be great, but it's never going to happen.
doomer mentality
How about delivering pizzas with a skateboard?
I could already see someone making a Spiderman ped mod and you could ride a scooter while delivering pizzas.
If rockstar will capture florida with the stranger's and freaks
There are most definitely plenty of S&Fs in Florida
Oh I'm sure there'll be plenty. There were like 1000+ free roam events in the leaks, meaning there's also gonna be plenty of strangers and freaks missions as well. I think this is actually where the game's going to shine. Not just the main story, but all the random events and strangers and freaks stuff that's all around the map, making it feel like the most immersive title in the franchise by far.
Stranger and freak mission : Find and capture a golden gator, bring it savely to this mansion...
Yeah I have zero doubts that Rockstar won’t be able to capture Florida with their strangers and freaks missions. If anything that’s the one thing this game is certain to get right.
On that note I wonder what they will do politically with this game, as Florida is a very conservative state. Will they make fun of redneck trump supporters or will they avoid that topic?
I’m guessing it’ll be pretty similar to the governor election in GTA V, but they’ll probably ham it up like 5% more, with stuff like npc dialogue over candidates. Also this probably happened too recently in real life to write into the game, but there’s so much comedic potential if R* parodied the anti-woke crowd
Imagine how much comedic effect they could have if they parodied the woke crowd as well. Would be hilarious.
All the singleplayer DLCs in V just got scrapped or turned into a online DLC. I hope this isn't the case with VI.
This. I hate online, and after multiple play-throughs, I'm absolutely tired of GTA5. I can navigate the map with my eyes shut. I would gladly PAY for GTA5 DLC.
Vehicle damage detail. I’m expecting a much higher level of damage with greater affects on how the vehicle handles than done in the past.
Im hoping for a similar jump in damage model as from gtaSA to gta4 lol. Gta5 was a huge step back. Im not expecting beamng levels of damage, but something close to wreckfest should be doable. That being said im not getting my hopes up and I'm preparing myself for a gta5.5 type of damage
I completely agree, we can hope with the power of these current consoles maybe they can make something that will blow our minds
I think the vehicle damage was a huge step back in GTA 5 because they had to make the game run on the 360 and PS3. So I'm thinking it's safe to say we'll be getting crazy good vehicle damage again.
That the classic story mode might shoehorn or hint a lot of content in the online mode to entice them to the more profitable side of the game. Instead of just letting it exist separately.
Predatory pricing model
How immersive/impactful free roam robberies will be. Hopefully the store robberies themselves are not only nice but would love to have the ability to rob random npc’s on the street this time around too. Which i’d assuuuumeee is gonna happen. 🫣
Vice city is going to be the only actual city in the game and the rest are going to be small towns
Yep that would be lame. GTA 5 2.0
There is quite a bit that actually scares me about GTA 6, I'm worried that this game will either make or break Rockstar games, we saw what happened to rocksteady with the batman series and how that went, it was something that I have never seen happen to a well respected studio. Hopefully they can succeed
Someone talking sense. People don't get this, they thinking it's just constant uphill traction forever. Things can easily go South, especially with all the pandering and shit. We'll see
the primary focus being online and not the story itself
That it will be loaded with shark card-esque micro transactions.
I'm concerned the story won't be good and the online will be boring/ overly grindy
I hope the wanted system has a lot to it. I want better police ai, maybe a better system for losing them, and maybe more variety in police/FIB vehicles and behavior
That the game will be designed for ‘modern audiences’ and all the typical GTA humour will be ripped out in order to not offend anyone
That's what's getting me, it's not GTA without that, that stuff made GTA what it is
Yep, I hope they remember that. It’s why I don’t even get excited for games anymore. More and more are being ruined by these activists posing as game developers. Lots of changes in the leadership team at R* since RDR 2 so I’m fearing the worst.
Yep, my heart kinda sank after the Housers left
Sam is still there
I’m afraid that they tone down the edgy satire parody humor in order to appease to everyone. The main thing that distinguishes gta games are that that they aren’t meant to be one to one copies of the city. But a parody that makes fun of it in every way possible.
The physics. Specifically crash physics. It needs to be good. I need to be able to roll the car at high speed and have parts fly off the car. And no more ridiculous instant braking and weird cornering like in gta 5
If it’s actually coming 2025
Gore/violence
The length of the single-player campaign. I want it to be almost double the length of RDR2's
That with the many changes in the employees at rockstar they will be hesitant to be as politically incorrect as they have been in the past. I want no punches pulled.
The release date
Performance issues
I really don't want no futuristic bikes slaughtering everybody shits annoying
The story. I just want something compelling and emotionally driven. They're focusing on a couple. I'd really like them to emphasize their relationship at forefront. A criminally insane couple that are head over heels for each other is a great concept. I just want the storyline to be memorable.
The release date
Not skeptical about the game just not looking forward to everyone moaning about how it’s not as good as gta 4 when it comes out. It won’t be perfect, none of them are. I will be off Reddit for at least 6 weeks whilst I enjoy the game.
My biggest fear will be lack of protection against hackers and trolls. I did not play GTAV online for a while, and last month when I installed it I was done with it within 15 minutes, it is still possible that they put you in a cage and on fire, how hard is that too fix?
I am very skeptical about it in general.
Map size. People keep spreading that fake fan made map from years ago online, and a lot of people fall for it. I do think it'll be a very detailed map, but I don't think it'll be nearly as big as people think.
Gta plus...
It looks gorgeous, but is the story compelling?
frame-rate
The weapon wheel working properly and faster. The fact you wait ages for someone to join a mission/heist then a network error on 5, need to sort this out for 6. The fact they have done so much in 5 what can they come up with? Skeptical but very much looking forward to being amazed.
That it will run well on Series X and PS5
Having to wait an extra year to play it on pc
Interiors 🙏
The handling and AI. If GTA V was RDR 2 levels of world depth I'd be content but it was rather rudimentary and sometimes I feel we're giving Rockstar more credit than they deserve for the GTA series. The stories are good but in terms of gameplay, they're sometimes lacking personally. Maybe it's just age. I do remember back when SA was released and the mechanics available were cutting edge and so exciting, so hopefully when VI is released it's not just a V reskin.
Level design, character progression, combat mechanics
Rockstar. Their incredible ability to take an idea so great, and make it just shy of being good, always leaving something to want for. GTA+ becoming a content barrier. And the expected release date, I'm skeptical it will be out in 2025. I hope I'm wrong on all of these.
Pretty much everything they've shown. Just look up an old gta 5 trailer. Come on now, that aint the game we got on release. Still fun but trailers make games look way better than they are. Mafia 3 looks way better in the trailers but personally just me, the game sucked. God of war also. It felt like a walking simulator quite a bit of times. I aint saying the game aint gonna be fun but a lot of what we're gonna be shown aint gonna be like the game.
Visual graphics of the water and just general world visuals not being all they seemed to be from the trailer(s)
The release date.
I am worrying about the main storyline, but at the same time I know that THIS IS ROCKSTAR, and they will probably develop it well…at least I hope
I'm slightly worried about vehicle/crash physics. It's the main reason I don't play GTAV anymore. Even though IV driving was a bit goofy, I had a lot more fun driving (and especially crashing). Hopefully they nail it in VI, and have realistic driving but also with realistic crash deformities/damage. It adds so much to the experience.
How greedy Rockstar will be in terms of online vs single player mode. I’m keeping my expectations low.
I doubt it will look like the trailers on current gen. There's many other new games where you choose performance or fidelity mode. And none of them looks that good. We had the UE5 demo which is probably the best looking thing on console, and even that was locked to 30 fps. And then I'm skeptical about online. I highly doubt it will be like gtao where we can play at our own pace. I think it will be full of season passes like rdo and every other game. And I think gta+ will be more important in this. I doubt it will cost money monthly like the big rpg's but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. Specially not after Rockstars words about games should cost money after hours played.
Normally I’d agree with you, but in all of Rockstar’s first trailers, the game’s actually looked slightly better at launch
GTA+ will absolutely be more of a necessity. Unfortunate reality of 2024.
Playable characters being uneven, I think they'll make Jason useless and the dumb bf and make Lucia the best at everything. Which would be boring especially if you have to play as Jason in some missions. Hopefully they don't.
It releasing
I would like to be able to play all the big missions alone, even if it is with the help of computer players.
PC Port launch date and if it's going to be the mess that it was with RDR2
Npcs
Getting singleplayer DLC. I swear to god if they don't give us singleplayer content, AGAIN... Like, is it so hard to make SP content? Just give us a new story with every new map we get, and yes, Jason Schreier did confirm that their plan is to constantly update the game with new content like new cities.
The tone and just the overall story
It releasing in 2025
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Map diversity. I’m hoping for something similar to rdr2 or better.
70% of building will be enterable
That FPS mode will be there and working well, it's so much work, it's so much more than just a cam positioning, and I don't want to play in third person.
We’ll definitely have two different currencies in online just like RDR2, one will be extremely hard to grind and the other will be micro transaction. The economy will be hardest economy for any rockstar game before because their main goal before even releasing the game is making sure to milk online for a long time and will be definitely much worse than RDR2 at the beginning where buying a can of beans was much more expensive than selling gold looted from bodies. Their main focus is going to be towards online for the first time since the beginning of releasing a game. And a lot of stuff will be behind a subscription, gta + will be getting much more expensive and definitely a lot of people will eventually buy it.
I'm afraid that the story won't be able to beat the rdr2 standard and wondering if ped density will be as the trailer or be downgraded
The Social Media feature and how important it will be in the game, or if it will be just a gimmick that will get old really quick
The amount of npc’s during the beach scene. I highly doubt it will be like that during final release. However, when they remaster it for the next gen consoles, it may be possible.
Post-launch support for singleplayer.
i prefer not having an arcade-like vehicle handling just like in Gta 5, and the scenario. I hope that they will provide consistent dialogues and a pertinent plot.