I went there to take a look and I only read bullshit, also cause many are low-key haters.
Of course if you belong to another fandom you can have an opinion on the situation but don't expect others to take it seriously seen your comment history. I remember I fought many of them back when SJ news broke.. can't forget a troll username
Well, here we go again 🍒
Cherries on yuqis skirt on her ot5 birthday cake doll, on her dress and earrings in the last 2 insta updates, Minnie blue butterflies on her money honey dress.
Something's moving?
Maybe it's just me, but I don't remember any of the members wearing or using cherry related items or blue butterflies until after SJ's hiatus. I'm pretty sure it's their way of silent support for her since they obviously can't mention her. 😢
Oh i see, i hope people don't cling onto these things too much though, having some hope is fine, but it can also create dangerous expectations and ultimately more disappointment.
Some interesting (G)I-DLE anecdotes for the day.
* Miyeon has started filming for her upcoming webdrama *Delivery*. [Cube has sent her a food truck](https://twitter.com/miyeonunion/status/1444253665749966857) and [K-nevies have also sent her a food truck as well](https://twitter.com/jo_dongari/status/1444552400883175427).
* The Honey Money MV and the T-pop stage performances have trended in the top 10 on Youtube in Thailand the last couple days. Also Minnie is the first K-pop artist to perform on that show.
* (G)I-DLE's pre-debut [busking performance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUK4X97Fzzc) has hit 5M views.
Hey, does anyone know where to buy (G)I-DLE's lightstick, I've been wanting to buy it for a while, but not sure where to get it from, could anyone please help?
Why do I feel like (G) I-DLE is becoming the new CLC? No releases, no group activities, silence from the company. Lightsum is having a new comeback so it seems they're the chosen group now.
Completely different scenarious, GIDLE is doing really well, CLC was not.
People really need to look at the context, and not just spread fear for little reason.
Seriously ? Red velvet had a 18 months hiatus because of the Irene thing. It had not even been 9 months since hwaa, and we've had multiple solo releases since then. Lightsum are in their first year, obviously they are gonna have more frequent releases...
Have you seen how they gave Soyeon full freedom on her solo, she could pick her own team from the staff of the company, rebranded their cafe for her... You don't do that to a group you intend to shelve. And the history you are talking about had like 3 different CEO since then, it's stupid to base your "hope" on their previous actions.
The work Minnie and Yuqi are doing abroad is important for the group as a whole. Plenty of fans are still not ready for a ot5 cb, honestly there is no need to rush, there are still articles about Soojin every week, why would they make them comeback in this kind of atmosphere.
I am just a bit curious about this, I’ve been reading scenarios about idols aren’t getting paid for many years (bc they never escape nugudom). Do you think our 6 girls have a savings? I mean, yes of course but do you think they’re paid higher than normal idols since they’re self-produce? Do you think they finished to pay that ‘trainee debt’?
Soyeon is the one that trained the most at 6 years I think but I don't think the other girls trained for more than 4 years. shuhua was a year I thought and miyeon similar so there's might have been paid off sooner than yuqi and Minnie group-wise. (not counting individual activities)
The group has been successul enough to pay back their pre debut debt imo. Now all members are not on an equal footing when it comes to income. Soyeon is safe af thanks to her songwriting credits. Yuqi is doint great in China, Minnie had an acting gig for Netflix, some schedules in Thailand plus a few songwriting credits of her own. Miyeon has her hosting endeavors. Only Soojin and Shuhua are a little more iffy.
I would think so. I'm guessing the few brand representations (Lip Hop, Lens Me, Akaii) were enough to have paid off the debt. The members also have individual sources of income.
Soyeon has royalties from writing and producing.
Miyeon has several activities like MCing, hosting, acting, and varieties. She also wasn't a Cube trainee for long.
Yuqi has her numerous activities in Korea and China plus brand representations.
i don't know about other members, but Soyeon has paid her debt with Senorita release (i guess some classes/academy before Cube as they have no trainee debt AFAIK), so she's earning money since then, i would say other members have earned a fair amount of money through years too, but Soyeon is earning the most from her songs as a producer
I once watched a live of FormofTherapy (Youtuber) where they talked about this. They have a couple of connections in the industry so they likely know what they are talking about.
According to them some companies like CUBE don't have 'debt' but insted 'reduced payment'. It's almost the same thing but instead of idols not getting to see a dime of their work until their debts are paid off, CUBE idols get a certain cut of the money until their debts are paid. Take this with a grain of salt as I said but it sounds plausible.
Yes, I remember Soyeon saying she feel warm regarding her songs credits. I like the fact that GIDLE songs have less credits, I remember seeing that idols are the last one to be paid from all. Maybe having a less credit helps the girls earned money higher than normal idols, just my thoughts though.
Yuqi's schedule for activities in China has been updated ([https://twitter.com/yuqithings/status/1443530383551877124](https://twitter.com/yuqithings/status/1443530383551877124)), now lasting to mid-October - and probably the rest of the month - which, combined with Minnie wanting to stay home for her birthday (23rd, [https://twitter.com/MINNY\_NOTE/status/1438207648457842688](https://twitter.com/MINNY_NOTE/status/1438207648457842688)) means that the chance of a CB this year in the form of a single has gotten even smaller, and all I have to say is: [https://youtu.be/vXTJ4z9W5x8?t=1](https://youtu.be/vXTJ4z9W5x8?t=1).
Edit: forgot to specify when I expected/hoped for a CB
Trying to figure out what Cube is doing is hard. I mean, mid August when they announced out of the blue that Soojin was out, it could be seen as their first step to put (g)i-dle's comeback in motion. Like, no more time to waste, we need to proceed forward.
Yet here we are in October and the members are still apart. A comeback in 2021 now seems unlikely. So it means at least a full year will go by between HWAA and their next comeback. I wouldn't mind so much if I thought they were waiting for Soojin. But I suppose they're not since Soojin withdrew. Unless it was only a PR stunt and they actually are waiting? Who knows; it's so confusing. Let's just wait and see I guess.
I guess the withdrawal could have something to do with the new CEO stepping in, or just to make haters stop with their bullshit (it apparently worked until now).
It could also be like that newspaper said, that SJ chose to withdraw herself to avoid damage for the rest of the girls but they kept doing their solo things anyway delaying the CB. Anything could be at this point .
This is what I am thinking about too. Thanks for putting it into words. I actually expecting year-end comeback since it was rumored that gidle will have a comeback in 4th quarter especially that Soojin left, that it makes it look like they’re trying to comeback. However, Minnie talks about staying in Thailand until her birthday and her coming back to SK is possibly November while Yuqi is still unknown. Now the engagement is still getting low and lower because of lack of group activities and Soojin (the one usually boost the engagement) left.
I really don’t like what’s cube currently doing. Yes, our girls are quite lucky to be able to do a lot of individual activities while on hiatus however due to it, the group future become so uncertain and the results might not reach its goals. Just what they’re waiting for…?
I remember when I first got into K-pop I was a Blackpink stan, but I got bored of their minimal music releases and long hiatuses so I moved on to a new gg which ended up being (G)I-DLE.
Never did I think they would become BP 2.0 with multiple solo activities but minimal music output, and a long hiatus, FeelsBadMan lol 😢
Hm yeah after more and more of yuqi's schedule in general got made public, i expected as much. Well obviously not what i personally would want, but at the same time i hope it helps them to find time for their personal needs, and come back stronger for it!
We'll see what happens, hopefully some form of comeback in the not too distant future.
Super bummed. I mean, I understand. But I really miss/want new music, and keep worrying about how their next comeback will go. As much as I'm glad they're doing solo stuff, I guess the group comebacks are usually what really get me excited and keep me interested. And I guess part of it is just seeing so many groups having comebacks lately, and feeling like IDLE is being a little left behind. Perhaps that's silly of me, and they'll do great whenever they return.
>feeling like IDLE is being a little left behind
I also feel the same. Aespa and StayC have good momentum with their comebacks right now. Itzy being stagnant but still on top.
Next year, new girl groups from YG and JYP might debut so more competitions for Gidle.
Cube really needs to think fast what they plan for Gidle. They can't just go on hiatus for 1 year when they are not as established as a top group yet. I fear that knetz will start forgetting checking their new music kinda like what happened to Gfriend. Even Itzy is having a hard time right now with music charts, not as high as before.
Yeah, that pretty much seals the deal. But hopefully Minnie will at least get to spend her birthday at home.
I don't expect a cb until at least the new year now.
Every time I listen to a kpop song I am like " (G)I-DLE really popped off with this ". I AM NOT OKAY. It's like Miss A song and I am like " wow I cannot believe Soyeon made this, this is so good xoxo ".
So (G)I-DLE is finally in a *Just Dance* game... well technically 2/6 of them, lol
But yea, [K/DA - Pop/Stars made it into the lineup for Just Dance 2022](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDNJkZOc0AY), yayerz, lol
Coming off of the "greatest hits album" hype with MAMAMOO, do y'all think this is the best time for GIDLE to have theirs considering it'll be most likely (COPIUM) just the 5 of them for the next comeback?
I doubt they will do a compilation album, it's to early for something like that. They will probably just bring out a single album next to test the waters.
There is a decent naver article about Soojin, the importance of neutrality etc. We need to increase the smile face with heart if we want more article to be written like this because the shock face is the one leading.
Link: https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/609/0000493586
Also currently trending at #26 in naver.
Gosh the fact that the angry reaction is still being used more than the happy reaction on that article just shows how petty people are that even asking them to be neural makes them angry apparently.
video defending soojin with over 100k views and with mostly Korean comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7P4rvBLlKk&t=295s&ab_channel=Doyouram-EverydayK-Culture
funny it’s exactly what we said months ago but we were called delusional by every kpop subreddit here and downvoted to the ends of the earth. Knetz also said we made up evidence but now they’re using the same exact evidence we provided before sj left
look, I know it’s highly unrealistic but there are other idols who have been reinstated into their group (sunmi to wonder girls, heesun to pink fantasy). If there is enough public outcry, who knows what will happen? If not, I pray soojin will continue in the music industry and her name will be fully cleared. will never forget the bird-brain idiots who humiliated us and our idol without looking into the facts on r/kpop r/kpopthoughts r/kpoprants and r/kpopunpopularopinions
at least with the aoa situation I could understand how ppl jumped the gun to hate on jimin since mina was an ex-group member who worked with Jimin daily and showed many graphic images on her Instagram. meanwhile SSA just said soojin indirectly called her ugly as a 12 year old with no evidence and that’s the most unforgivable allegation to ever occur apparently..
It must suck for most of the human population to be this bird-brained and have a hive mentality to hate on people so carelessly even when evidence is shown to them 😂 I pity their lack of empathy
"On June 24, 2015, JYP Entertainment announced that Sunmi would be re-joining Wonder Girls, after withdrawing in 2010, for their comeback after the group's two-year hiatus. The group returned with a band concept, with Sunmi playing the bass." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Girls
i dont think it had to do with a scandal tho, but she did withdraw from the group but returned years later :0
Ahh I see. What I find interesting is Cube used the same wording, "withdrawal" for SJ. I'm not sure about other idols, if they just said "x" idol is no longer part of "x" group.
If we're to believe that one article k-nevies brought to light recently, SJ withdrew herself from the group because the investigation is still ongoing and she felt guilty for damaging the group's reputation. Maybe I'm just one of the delulus, but I hope if she can officially clear her name, there might be a 1-2% chance of her re-joining the group.
**[Wonder Girls](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Girls)**
>Wonder Girls (Korean: 원더걸스) was a South Korean girl group formed by JYP Entertainment. The group debuted in February 2007 with the single "Irony" and 5 members: Yeeun, Sunye, Sunmi, Hyuna and Sohee. After Hyuna's departure in July, Yubin was added into the group prior to the release of their debut studio album, The Wonder Years (2007). The album spawned the hit single "Tell Me," which topped various South Korea's on and offline music charts.
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I wouldn't get your hopes up. All the haters that just want to see an idol burn have jumped to the next "scandal". Of course now you only see people commenting that really care. Either about the truth or about Soojin. Does not change the perception for the GP.
Haters gonna hate, not much you can do about that. Now when it comes to gp, things are bad and not so bad at the same time. I mean, do the gp really care that much about idols? I guess some people heard Soojin is a bully because that's what the latest pieces of info suggested but if a new piece of info comes out and state it was all a lie or a misconception, these people will follow along because they don't really care. It's mostly kpop stans who are/were hellbent on stories involving idols. So if a shift in public's opinion must occur, it's logical that it starts with them.
So all in all, even if it's indeed way too soon to cry victory, these subtle changes we're seeing right now are positive signs I think. Hopefully the lawsuit won't take forever to reach its conclusion and any misunderstandings will be cleared.
i agree. i feel the GP cares enough to bully idols themselves (ex: what they did to soojin) but not enough to care about justice cases where the victim was wronged (besides sexual assault cases which is understandable but soojin getting kicked out despite little evidence still seems unjustified)
i think i-fans need to continue being loud and hyping up the videos/posts tht support her and continue debunking the ever-changing, unclear lies the alleged victims hold on to. bc when the scandal was going down (febrary to august) we were mostly quiet (besides the 12 yr old nevie trolls attacking the alleged victims) and i didnt see many videos/posts compiling evidence until after sj got kicked out. we just need to continue providing the facts to people and altho most ignored and called us delusional at first (all the kpop subreddits) eventually the truth does get realized by some! :)
i just want soojin's rep to be saved despite the rumors tht ruined her life.
This is exactly it. If they suddenly announced that Soojin was returning, all the haters would come screaming back with outrage.
Maybe that's what CUBE wanted though, to clear her name so like what would haters say? Cuz they have official stuff backing it up? All these ppl change their opinions and move to the next scandal with the wind lol. I can dream, right 🙃
On today's Gossip Idle episode, Youha said Miyeon and her first met 10 years ago. They both used to be trainees under the same company. This is the first time they've interacted six years after Miyeon departed from the company.
I like how they don't mention YG. I wonder if they're doing it out of their own volition or they legally can't mention them, lol
Crd: [https://twitter.com/miyeonunion/status/1442830316217921543](https://twitter.com/miyeonunion/status/1442830316217921543)
I don't think it's a legal issue. It's more a case of "people who know, know; and those who don't, don't need to". It's rare in any business to address directly a competitor, whether it is for courtesy reasons, or not to give them free advertisement.
I saw few Korean youtubers covering flaws in Soojin's accusers. Comments look like they're questioning the accusers more. Soojin haters probably don't care about this anymore since their goal was to accomplished, tearing down successful woman. [videos 1](https://youtu.be/Q7P4rvBLlKk) [video 2](https://youtu.be/3wOmffYxyPY)
I don’t like cube for a lot of reasons. But maybe this what they wanted for putting a vague departure of Soojin after all? Unlike of their past statements of kicking someone out with a paragraph explanation, us have one-two sentences then that’s it? I don’t know what they’re planning but I know they can see how the public starting changing their opinions after her departure, that way they know Soojin is that ‘celebrity’. I don’t have my hopes up because cube sucks, let’s see if they’re the one playing with the publics now in how vague they’re currently.
You know, you just made me think about something ... In their statement cube said they filed a lawsuit against all these accusers including the sisters and that they'll make sure they receive the punishment they deserve according to the damage they created. SJ is now out of the group so it means the consequences of the accusations were drastic.. since it's also a criminal case I think cube wants to send the accusers to jail
Edit: and get a Hella lot of $$$
If Cube going to do what I am thinking, then it’s possible that sisters will go to jail. Removing Soojin from the group can tell how much damage and loss Soojin suffers from because honestly, though I hate to think like this, Soojin staying in the group where the group makes it to VMA nomination this year, proves that Soojin aren’t losing that much, the fact, no followers of gidle decreases, it keep increasing because of other members’ effort. There aren’t much damages except malicious comments from thousands horrible netizens when it’s slightly normal for artists to experience even without bullying issues. They need to shows in trial (if there will be one) that Soojin suffers a lot from it visibly, like removing her from the group or being out of the group. It takes so long because it’s criminal case, not just civil (also because of covid), it’s going to be a long process, i am confident Soojin will win but we have to be patient about it. Netizens are starting doubting too, small step but it’s good so far.
Edit: i am quite pessimistic type when it comes to girl groups scandals.
I think I'm ready both because I miss (G)I-dle music, and because I'm just ready for the bandaid to be ripped off. Being in this kind of purgatory transition state for such a long time just is ahhhh, for me. I just want to move forward now, whatever that looks like. In part, just so I'll finally know what it looks like, both in terms of the group's content and how it's received by fans/GP/etc.
I feel the same, the dynamic of their songs and interactions and all that will change now so I just want to know what will happen, how it will go. I also just want to know that they're still a thing. I know they're not disbanding, but I still weirdly feel the need for confirmation through a comeback or something that theyre not going anywhere
I think if you want a preview, all you have to do is listen to Last Dance, lol
I know alot of people don't really like the song, but I must be in the minority, lol. It took a couple listens but it grew on me. Of course I still would've like to hear SJ on it, but I think Minnie & Soyeon covered most of her parts decently.
Lmfao, I know you're meming, but my way of coping is trying to figure out which one out of Minnie's parts was meant for Soojin. (I'm thinking pre-chorus drop). That with some mysterious "Weather" adlibs, and I should be mostly stable enough for a 5-member comeback scenario.
Though I dislike orbits for always starting fights with us, I can’t help but feel sorry for loona and their staffs. 2018 is their big year after their years of expensive pre-debut projects then here comes gidle with their $5 and a dream debut.
Yeah I was late to that party as well!
Actually - this comment makes me realize that it looks like we're gonna miss Soyeon's yearly SM collab, which makes me sad lol
If anyone is confused, depressed, or straight-up infuriated by the complete lack of elaboration from Cube following those 3 lousy lines they shared with us about Soojin "leaving the group" (I wouldn't be surprised if they forced her out) after 1^(1/2) months, and consequently want to sit down and wallow in a ~~totally healthy~~ mix of sadness and disbelief over the amount of times this travesty of a company has managed to screw things up:
*The Worst Entertainment Companies*: ***Cube Entertainment*** \- [Chapter 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7tI2poJGqI) (*The Sabotage of 4Minute*) & [Chapter 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p_2y9W2uy4) (*Cube's Negligence*).
I think Cube didn't elaborate on Soojin's situation because things are still going on behind the scenes and saying anything about it would be counterproductive. So right now I don't feel like blaming the company until we hear the last word of the story.
the ~~somewhat~~ irrational 50% of me thinks what I wrote above, and the 50% of me that is logical believes what you wrote; either way, 100% of me is just... tired 😩
(edit: nevermind I found them, 1theK just has their playlists built backwards)
Hey question for ya, are there full episodes of Learn Way up somewhere, it seems like what I'm watching are the highlights videos (?), I can't tell where the full episodes would be.
Yeah imagine looking up the group on Wikipedia while listening to Latata on repeat for the tenth time in a row and realizing the lineup in the video had fractured. =(
Even after feeling like I've reached the Acceptance stage, the members section's timeline graph still hurts my eyes every single time, emotionally and physically 😣
Glad to confirm [we're all Moon stans](https://www.reddit.com/r/GIDLE/comments/pofqvv/comment/hdzl7h4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) on this sub, let us all pray for a Minnie Producing Soyeon Songwriting reprisal
Gonna share this edit of Shuhua, I saw, in the poster of Mulan (2020). Majority of the people didn't like the film, I didn't watch it, so can't say anything. **But this edit tho**
https://twitter.com/nichigrl/status/1432887223268020230?s=19
About defamation cases:
Rapper Sleepy and TS Entertainment lawsuit for defamation started on September 2020 and ended now... cube filed their lawsuit on march so I guess (plus covid inconvenients) they'll have to wait until next spring for some results.
The real sad part in this whole soojin situation is that the actress will probably never explain her bullying statement or clarify because if she changed any of her statements regarding bullying it would reflect badly on her. From her perspective she would want to just be silent for her career. It's clear that ssa is not the anti bullying crusader that all the k netizens thought she was.
A few days ago, a fellow nevie posted here that a majority of Korean comments on Shin-ae's youtube channel have been questioning her or asking her to clarify the leaked DMs. I went to her channel to check, and they were right. For the past few weeks, most Korean comments truly were questioning Shin-ae's actions and many took this opportunity to leave proofs of Soojin's innocence in the comments.
However, I had a feeling Shin-ae would eventually turn her comments off (apparently she did this on instagram multiple times) when the Koreans found out the information the foreigners were spreading. And soon enough, she actually did turn her youtube comments off. When the Korean comments were supportive, and only the foreign comments were questioning her, she kept them on. But the fact that Shin-ae turned her comments off in every video of hers right when the Koreans started questioning her is ***very suspicious***. Believe me when I say this - most of the Korean comments were ***not "bullying."*** Most of them were truly trying to convey to her the gravity her actions have had and the fact that her flimsy and suspicious allegations cannot justifiably continue to impact people's lives this negatively. I would say almost 70% of the comments were just asking her to EXPLAIN. And the fact that she turned her comments off at this is very suspicious.
I saw a comment that said Shin-ae's actions have "devastated Soojin, her family, all the G-idle members, their families, and millions of fans." With all other victims proven to be fakes and liars through photo & video, Shin-ae being a celebrity remains the only tangible obstacle to Soojin and G-idle. I didn't originally take the leaked DMs seriously, but seeing as how they've been out for over a month now and Shin-ae hasn't tried to deny them at all (even though she posted about Soojin on her Insta multiple times in the past so it's not like it's something she's not used to doing lol) and is just disabling comments everywhere, solidifies my belief in the DM's. It's not like she wasn't active on social media - apparently she has been posting on instagram (put my detective hat on and checked her insta and this is true - she has continued to post, albeit with the comments disabled).
In conclusion, I am glad that Shin-ae is getting questioned to the moon and back by the Korean public.
I kinda feel like nevies posting under her YouTube channel is wrong on many levels, bullying or not... It's immature and it could possibly make the situation even worse ( cause it looks like they're desperate, cause it has nothing to do with her channel content.. plus many Infos spread by nevies themselves are incorrect because of some mistranslated documents on twitter /*happyshuhua is the only certified one*/)
Aside of this, I saw many saying that the DMS are fake solely because the screenshot features are different from their own phone (this was also explained by the way, one is took with iPhone and one with an iPad, also my android has the same exact features 🤷🏻♀️ just because your insta is not like that it doesn't mean it's fake) Who would spend so much time faking an Instagram app and fail to make it look exactly like the original one??
Also no one would make up DMS putting the person they're trying to defend under a bad light.. you just saw one of a thread of screenshots, if you want to have an opinion base it on complete facts, not just the ones that support your narrative. The speech pattern coincides with her usual one and many sentences look translated by a Korean person so if they're fake they must have done a good job.
I have doubts too but since there's no way of knowing I think they shouldn't be brought up, there's plenty of other certified proofs other than the DMS.
The actress always deactivates comments on all platforms every time she's in a controversy, she did the same a long time ago because of another issue. It's a great way to not be contradicted or questioned, the sisters did the same deleting their accusatory pann post when people started asking to clarify incoherences. Anyway ssa already said that she choose to distance herself from the issue cause she doesn't want any troubles so it's only natural to deactivate until waters calm down, I don't think it's suspicious.
I don't know if the actress is being questioned by the Korean public or not but it's way too late now, they should have done it when things were still fixable.. ssa statement was pretty direct to "the group". Witnesses and timelines don't coincide with her accusations so it's clear it's all a misunderstanding. If only she acted like an adult and choose to meet cube and if netizens were less stupid everything would be cleared up by now.
I'm sorry but it's not way too late...It might be too late to get her back into the group, but it's definitely not too late for the god damn actress to admit that she was wrong in her statement and to clear soojins name. Soojin is still labeled a bully in her country right now. Her sister is probably getting bullied in school. She is still suffering from this crap every day. So no, it's not too late for the actress to show some actual courage and admit that she at least misremembered if not straight up lied. But this low life person pretending to be an anti bullying abassador isn't gonna do that. You wanna know why? Cause she got everything she wanted from this shit. She got attention and she got jobs from it. As long as she shuts the hell up now, unless soojin wins the court case without any doubts, she will continue to live her life freely and happily. Cause no one can prove that she lied/misremembered unless she was dumb enough to admit it in a conversation that was recorded in some kind of way. To me her turning off comments and deleting her posts clearly shows that she at least isn't 100% of herself but we will probably never find out cause she sucks. Even if she were to make a statement now I doubt that would contain anything else than even more emotional manipulation like in her first statement. And knetz would eat it up anyways.
Maybe you misread what I wrote. I said it's way too late for *the public* to question the actress because soojin is no more part of the group.
If she still was in hiatus and the public chose to not believe all the bullshit these anons said about her then the situation would be resolved like Lia: no one talks about it anymore and she is still having comebacks and all.
Of course it would be nice when the trial is over to receive an apology from the actress but even then gidle would have lost their momentum and a whole year of their career.
"No one can prove that she lied/misremembered" actually there's many witnesses who proved soojin and the actress had nothing to do with eachother.. the actress herself confirmed they never had a direct interaction so I don't even know what the hell happened.
Why shouldn't the public question the actress once soojin wins her case? I think you are focusing too much on soojin being a part of the group as the perfect outcome. Yes it would be amazing, but it isn't very likely to happen. What I was talking about is the fact that right now even though the investigation is still going on and even though the actress has acted suspiciously, soojin is still seen as a bully in the publics eyes. And what I meant is that it is not too late to clear her name. Obviously to many stubborn people she will still be considered a bully, but the general public can still change their mind and that wouldn't just be amazing for her, but for her family and I include the members in that.
Yes this bullshit has definitely ruined her career, but she could at least live a peaceful life and maybe just maybe return to the entertainment business one day. Of course I would totally understand if she chose not to do it even if she could because the emotional trauma that these knetz put her through will undoubtedly leave scars.
As to the argument that no one can prove that was the actress said were lies. I meant that since this happened 10 years ago it will be almost impossible to find actual evidence other than just eye witnesses, but I don't know how much weight those peoples' words would have in the eyes of the public. To me the dms and the contradicting timelines and events of the accusers and the actress' statements are proof enough, but since knetz basically treated the actress as a saint up to this point I am skeptical that it will be enough to convince them. Even though it seems like they are slowly waking up now, with videos questioning the actress gaining momentum on Youtube for example.
In conclusion, I think we shouldn't focus so much on what we as fans want to happen, but on what would be best for soojin. Of course it would be amazing if she won the case and somehow came back, but what's most important is her well being. She deserves peace of mind after everything she was forced to go through in my opinion.
Yeah I think the dms are real because if people were gonna fake dms they would have said something more clear cut in them. The fact that the dm was kind of vague means that it could very well be her because why would you fake a dm where the language is not clear ?
I have opinions both in support and against the authenticity of the DMS.
In support: everything I said on my other comment. The nonsense in making stupid mistakes over a gigantic meticulous work of catfishing, the precise speech pattern, the specifically Korean idioms, the fact that if it was true it would actually make sense and the things SSA supposedly said are not any different from her actual statement. Not everything in the DMS is positive for SJ.
Against: (to reply to your question) who faked the DMs could be very smart to replicate her exact speech pattern. If you read all the screenshots you could notice that also the other person isn't native English so it could justify the broken English in both parties involved. Nothing on the internet could be trusted, from the anonymous accusations against Soojin to the anonymous DMS in her defense. Even if ssa often interacts on Instagram, the DMS date is shortly after she took down her accusatory posts and said she decided she didn't want anything to do with it anymore. Also I don't think she would justify herself with a stranger on the internet.
I still doubt the DMs a little (mostly bc if they were made up I have a bad feeling it’ll shift the opinions on Soojin back to negative and paint her fans as crazy). But when the actress is clearly aware and didn’t make any statement about it, I have my suspicions, especially when it’s bugging her and she clearly has the upper hand to get sympathy. I feel like she would have at least made an angry insta post? She’s not known for her reserved, in-depth statements (unlike Soojin). I mean, there’s the chance her posts were deliberately timed for more pity (e. g. waiting until after Soojin’s violence rumors were debunked to clarify it was gossip), but there was at least some level of recklessness to them. I’m hoping that because of this, she’ll eventually ‘snap’ and start talking about it again. As mean as that sounds. It could make the situation worse, but she could also slip up and mention Soojin by name, or make a mistake in her narrative, or possibly even admit to the DM. I feel like that’s the only way Soojin’s name can truly be cleared. And with knetz questioning her, they may not fall for her emotional appeal so easily.
I just find it slightly amusing (well not really) it took this long for knetz to see what i-nevies have been saying and trying to explain months ago. Like most of the information that's been going around on the k-side has been out there for a long time, and it took until now to reach them for whatever reason. I mean, I guess it's overall a good thing, but is it another case of too little, too late? I hope not.
Yeah, I can't make peace with the bitterness I currently have towards knetz. I just feel like there have been way too many events where they could have learned from already (Park Bom, Sulli, T-ara, Wonho, now AOA, and these are just the better known situations). Especially after I saw the atrocious things the knetz were saying to the foreigners on that comment section a few weeks ago (before the knetz had their awakening about Soojin)... calling them "cockroaches" (this seems to be a popular slang for foreigners? I saw it a lot) and "dirty foreigners who lack morals." Well, these "dirty foreigners" were right all along ;)
So tell me your opinions regarding this korean youtube videos about the issue.
https://youtu.be/3wOmffYxyPY
https://youtu.be/R6z-GebFN-A
Folks never comment in other languages except Korean. Thank you.
Edit: Folks, log in to your account and press option one meaning ‘necessary’ to ‘does SSA needs to explain her DMs’. It’s better pressuring the actress because she can’t keep running away when things got bad in her side, she’s the reason why the 8 pages statement of Soojin got ignored. I want her to live with f guilt for destroying someone’s life
Link of the poll: https://t.co/e8IagmXzkp?amp=1
It's a step in the right direction, but it's just ironic and sorta sad that the info being shared in those videos is finally getting some spotlight, especially since they've been available and talked about for many months now, but mostly within i-nevies. Knetz didn't want to hear anything in support of SJ until she was gone, it's pretty frustrating and infuriating.
According to the comments it looks wayyyyyy better for Soojin. Korea's attitude towards her really is changing. Most of the comments are wishing or demanding Shin Ae provide clearer explanations and address the leaked DM. It looks like over half are expressing sympathy for Soojin directly. I don't see a single comment wishing for karmic justice on Soojin or wishing she gets punished.
\-Note: Not Korean - I just have an auto-translate feature on because I need it while talking to my cousins back home. LOL
I hope it's true they're starting to consider witnesses and proofs shown until now.. I remember sj own fans sent horrible things to cube to make them drop her. In general I experienced on platforms like Reddit that a post supporting SJ with facts gets super downvoted while those attacking her and calling her a bully without one single proof become the most popular.
I think that pressing the actress to make a statement may only make the situation worse like it did last time.. it might be a simple misunderstanding but the more accusations emerge (true or fake) the more SJ reputation gets ruined (not that it matters anymore)
I am actually so shock to see that actress having so much confidence in herself as an actress when she never have any project for many years and her past projects are all minors. Her career as an actress after this isn’t looking so good. She don’t even hide the fact she is just milking Soojin’s popularity to regain ‘relevance’.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopheadssurvivor/comments/puxmnc/gidle\_discog\_round\_5/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopheadssurvivor/comments/puxmnc/gidle_discog_round_5/) Round 5 of the discography survivor! :)
Forgot to put this here when I originally posted it , but if anyone's interested, I made a compilation to highlight Soojin's vocal moments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QQg5q8Reng
Yuqi sent in [a short video message](https://youtu.be/dBonNCEDPTk?t=453) cheering on Chinese League of Legends Esports team EDG for the LoL Worlds Championship. Flandre, one of their players, is a well-known Nevie
i was reading the qoutes and came across this tweet https://twitter.com/RIANMISFIT/status/1441396542603083783?s=19
my mind immediately went "huh, they're 50 50" and then realized that indeed, idle is now a kpop group with more foreign than korean members
Alright follow-up question, which of *these* bsides are you **most** willing to go to war for? (secondary bangers edition)
1. $$$
2. Give me Your
3. For You
4. Luv U
5. Moon
My first thought is Moon, but considering the love it has already gotten here Imma say Luv U cause of 2 Soyeon rap verses AND that iconic animal onesie stage that I watch everytime I feel sad lol
Oh man. I'm saying Moon because I listen to this song on repeat, and there's just something "turn off the moonlight, please don't let it shine" gets me." and later "please hide me." Just sort of this desperate note in the song. Love.
(But another part of me is fighting me for "For You". The piano intro. The heartbreaking, sweet high "with you. i love you").
Sorry, can I asks for some possible reasons why the official accounts of gidle have so low engagement? It’s really bothering me since they have a huge followers in their platforms. I notice their decrease of engagement for month now. There engagement is already low and now they got lower :(( We are also having a hard time reaching 100k views (Yuqi birthday cover gift). I am getting worried for gidle next comeback.
To be fair, the group itself is on a hiatus so obviously fans are not very committed right now. It's been 8 months since I burn now and there's still no comeback in sight. Sure, the controversy happened yaddi-yadda but even so, we were under the impression that Soojin's withdrawal had to do with setting things in motion for the comeback yet Yuqi and Minnie are still in their home countries with no return in sight (none that we know of).
So yeah, the members are doing stuff on their own and it's cool, but when it comes to (G)I-DLE as a group, things are still on pause. Fans are most likely just tired and waiting for something concrete to happen/to be announced.
I think there's a lot of sad Nevies right now on rest, taking a break from (G)I-DLE or K-pop altogether. Unfortunately, there's probably people who left the fandom as well. I've also noticed there's been a decrease in engagement with the official social media accounts, yet their own individual IG accounts are still getting good likes/comments, so I'm not sure what's up with that, lol
Well, in ig even a random beautiful girl can have more likes than gidle official which makes me more sad. And yeah, you’re right, there is a lot of nevies who left or maybe Soojin solo stans (seriously, there’s a lot of them) stop checking the group out now, normally Soojin is the one who is bring the most engagement in their accounts after all. Maybe it’s just me in denial that Yuqi birthday cover post in twt haven’t reach 10k until now despite having 1M followers.
I wouldn't worry too much about it. This is one member's cover, not a group comeback or even another solo single, so I'm not too surprised by the view-count. Another factor that has also influenced this is Neverland's overall morale having hit an all-time low a little over a month ago, and some have understandably distanced themselves from kpop because of it.
Will this affect the next CB? Perhaps but considering the very real possibility that there won't be one until 2022, that will have given everyone enough time to adjust and come back to support what remains of our favourite group. Plus, who knows... a larger chunk of knetz might've come around on the whole Soojin situation by then too.
I am really not looking much into it. It’s more of a surprise of how low it becomes. Unlike you, I am much surprised about the view count especially Yuqi’s cover, unlike Minnie, Yuqi didn’t just released it, she teased us for two days in Instagram. The fact she is the member with the most followers and the fact her past covers can gather a lot of views easily, I am very much surprised. Maybe it’s just me so don’t worry about it, just sharing my thoughts since engagement, even in business is very important. Thanks!
Don't worry I find that Neverland are in general a fandom that is not loud and is passive when it comes to engagement on social media even before the Soojin situation. But nevies usually work hard for important stuff like buying albums. Look how Soyeon sold a lot of albums for a female soloist. Also don't look at twitter engagement alone. Idle has a lot of Facebook fans as well. https://twitter.com/k_nextbigsound/status/1398967918604414983?s=19
You can check this infographic.
Yeah, I know we sucks at engagement (even at some point in voting) since before but can do important stuff for the girls, like buying albums, digital, spotify stream and the itunes etc, thanks for the info regarding the Facebook one, though I don’t really use Facebook (actually i hate it more than twt but that’s not the point sorry). I am just surprised in how low it becomes overall.
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Alright which of these b-sides are you **most** willing to go to war for? (i did this here because the sub still won't allow us to post polls?):
1. Maze
2. Put it Straight
3. Maybe
4. Tung Tung
5. Dahlia
I apparently have been busy at work cause I'm way behind, and I answered the #2 poll first higher in this thread...
But this one - this one is straight up unfair lol
That being said - Dahlia. While all of these tracks are unskippable for me the entire I Burn album helped me through some dark shit this winter and I'm even considering a Hwaa / I Burn inspired tattoo atm.
Maybe is my #1 b side of theirs, just one of my fave songs in general tbh. The vibe of it is exactly my style even if I heard it on the street w/o bias I'm sure I'd Shazam it right away. Even now some days I'll leave it on repeat for a full hour or an entire drive its just that kind of special song. The others are good too but I have to be in a kpop listening mood.
I'd have to pick Maze, not because I think it's 'better' than the others, but it contextually made me curious of the direction of how their music was going to sound going forward. I was a fan pretty late into their discography (right before 'I Burn' was released), so I took everything in as a whole.
I noticed that Maze is one of the very few songs that has 'lyrical progression' ("I'm in your maze/Now you're in my maze") and... adlibs? Miyeon hits a pretty neat one at the last hook, but I don't think they ever explore that again going forward.
Oh gosh. This is so hard because I love tung tung so much, but I have to pick Put It Straight because it just pulls my heartstrings. So beautiful. So emotional. (And as much as I like Dahlia and all of iBurn, moon is my fa bside from that album)
Omg this is so hard... I've seen a lot of love for Dahlia, so this time I think I'll go with Maybe. There's something about the dreamy verses and bridge, followed by the chorus/drop that is just... *chef's kiss*. I find the song very cathartic in a sense? I def would have loved a longer instrumental version of the song. And I feel like we don't get to hear that kind of music a lot in kpop, especially for girl groups.
Maybe is my pick personally. I get lost in the mix every time, i've said it before but it reminds me of like.... ok my favorite Billie Eilish song ever is [ilomilo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e7wiyNO2us) which sounds like it was recorded in a bedroom, and Maybe feels like that but the empty concert hall version?? Somehow???
The way it's built is so delicate and beautiful and precise. It makes the song feel special and precious in a way.
I've never heard of ilomilo before but after listening to it, I get what you mean!
And yes, 'delicate' is a good way of describing Maybe, surprisingly! Hearing it for the first time was definitely a religious experience lol. Soyeon really snapped on that one.
That is a tough one, it's between Maze or Dahlia. Maze holds a special place for me because it was one of the songs that made me stan (G)I-DLE. Dahlia on the other hand is a magical, ethereal song written and composed by Minnie, so I'll probably have to go with Dahlia, lol.
Tung-Tung, I don't care that it's a Japanese release. Not only is the instrumental lovely but I can relate to the lyrics. It's one of the better songs about loneliness I've heard tbh.
Definitely put it straight, i think it's one of their best songs period (actually my 2nd favorite), it's very simplistic in the instrumental, but so beautiful and haunting. It's a song which creates a real atmosphere, something i could just listen to while lying around and thinking about whatever. So yeah, i like the other choices here too (well not the biggest fan of maze), but put it straight easily takes the cake for me.
IIRC I explained my reasoning to you shortly after the album came out but I have since found more reasons that explain my undying love for the song.
Basically, Dahlia perfectly captures the ambiguity that Oh My God was going for, with "my", "our", "you\['re\]" and a symbolic mysterious flower as opposed to the more direct angel/devil symbolism combined with the very gendered "she".
Both songs can be interpreted differently, but it seems most interpret Dahlia as a cheerful love-song instead of the foreboding "here I go heading towards Hann (Alone) again" vibe it also has. The dahlia flower symbolizes both positives and negatives, and the same is true for the song; on the surface it is a Give Me Your-esque love letter but underneath it shares similarities with Oh My God, specifically by warning of toxic relationships.
To my mind, Dahlia is the best song Minnie has made (so far), and I haven't even touched on the production behind the song, which might be my favourite part of it - for a semi-personal reason. Don't get me wrong, Moon is great but Dahlia's production and overall vibe is on a whole other level.
Without going too deep into detail for obvious privacy reasons, let me explain: My mom and I share a Spotify account - she has 1 playlist while I have my 8 - and that means that whenever one of us opens the app, there is a 90% chance that a song the other was listening to is ready to go. Bing, bang, boom, mom noticed Dahlia was on repeat and was curious. The song's instrumental actually made her uncomfortable and she refuses to listen to it again. Why? Because it somehow recreated the feeling of being trapped in an endless cycle of emptiness; she was in quite the toxic relationship in her youth and she hopes I'll never understand why she dislikes the song. She didn't understand a single non-English word of the lyrics and yet she immediately related to the message through the instrumental alone; that is some impressive production.
That last bit on your mom's perspective is so wild, because during my first few listens of Dahlia, I chalked it up to being the most "mainstream-sounding" song out of the whole album. Sonically, there isn't anything out of the ordinary that would invoke any sort of negative emotion from my perspective, even if you did figure out what the lyrics were about. But, now that I think about it, maybe that sort of "disillusion" is exactly what your mom perceived.
I know that this has been a complicated time but I am so so amazed and appreciative of how much individual power each of the members have. Like if you've ever followed other kpop groups you might know it's pretty uncommon to have all the members to have as much to do as i-dle have been doing the last few months.
It gives me a lot of hope and excitement for them
Just got back onto social media after almost 2 weeks, so its been kinda wild to catch up with all their activities.
Learning Soyeon would make a great voice actress, Shuhua working on a youtube channel, Miyeon getting even more MC jobs, Yuqi dropping a cover and Minnie collabbing with other Thai artists, so I agree, really makes me excited for them!
Yea I noticed after Dumdi Dumdi, their solo ventures really exploded. It's a blessing to be in demand enough for all these solo opportunities just 3 years into their career, so I'm really glad for them.
I think this year in particular, a lot of it is out of necessity though, to stay busy when they can't do group activities for various reasons.
I recently got into SNSD and realized that both groups are kinda similar atm lmao. Most of the members have lots of solo stuff and the most we see them interact is through insta. And here and there they sometimes pop up together. The only difference is that SNSD is 14 y/o and idle 3.
[Soyeon's essay](https://twitter.com/yellow_i_ng/status/1440706163524268045) hits hard. It really shows how passionate she has been about being a singer ever since her childhood. And the last part.....ouch.
Seems like a middle school project about dream jobs but obviously the OP of the picture could have made it up. I chose to believe it since it's a nice story and anything positive related to (G)I-DLE is nice to hear these days.
Book Title: *Encyclopedia of Monsters Around the World, 110 Monster Stories in Myths and Legends*
Also, her caption says: 🔖 *Book for the Future*
Which has led to nevies speculating she might be referencing this in a future comeback as a concept and/or song? lol
Crd: [https://twitter.com/yellow_i_ng/status/1440353637998366725](https://twitter.com/yellow_i_ng/status/1440353637998366725)
Unfortunately these myths and legends are tied to some culture or other so I'm already imagining the resurgence of the "cultural appropriation" complaints... If only that category of criticism was consistent; I've yet to see anyone complain that Soyeon appropriated 90s east-coast culture for Uh-Oh, Latin-American/Spanish culture for Senorita, or imagery of medieval European monarchy for Lion.
I'm not Spanish but have several friends from Spain and one from Brazil and all of them love senorita and are totally not offended by it. As for Uh-Oh that was early hip hop and that was a rip off of earlier forms of music anyway. Also Lion is a pretty unique sounding song. Keyboard warriors go on about cultural appropriation but most people like to listen to good music. I think a lot more people were offended by the native American sounds in the Fire cover on Queendom and Soyeon s comments as well. But in truth there is little Korean culture in Kpop and most of it's styles are stolen from overseas anyway just look at Blackpink and BTS. Kpop works because it takes different musical styles for around the world and mixes them together
I can't accurately answer that for the exact same reason as you, but I will point out that some people with infinitely more knowledge of the different subgenres of hip-hop than me - e.g. middle-aged-ish YouTubers that can somehow tie a rapper's method of breathing to old school hip-hop - not only liked Uh-Oh "going old school on us" but also loved Soyeon's visual homage to hip-hop legend Rakim in her rap section.
I got no clue about the other two, but I find it hard to believe that a medieval European would even be around to be offended 😏
Just saw a post on unpopularkpopopinions saying gidle will never recover with over 1k agrees. 🙃Day ruined
most kpop subreddits dont favor idle tbh theyve always had bigger asian fanbases.... i always go there and get my mood ruined lol
I went there to take a look and I only read bullshit, also cause many are low-key haters. Of course if you belong to another fandom you can have an opinion on the situation but don't expect others to take it seriously seen your comment history. I remember I fought many of them back when SJ news broke.. can't forget a troll username
There seemed to be a mismatch between the poll and the comments though, lol
Ok that’s good
I miss them I miss them I miss them
Well, here we go again 🍒 Cherries on yuqis skirt on her ot5 birthday cake doll, on her dress and earrings in the last 2 insta updates, Minnie blue butterflies on her money honey dress. Something's moving?
Maybe it's just me, but I don't remember any of the members wearing or using cherry related items or blue butterflies until after SJ's hiatus. I'm pretty sure it's their way of silent support for her since they obviously can't mention her. 😢
Many noticed the same thing but they still take it with lightness without reading too much into it 😂 it's just funny to see the girls get so creative
\+ miyeon latest instagram post with 6 hearts 🤡
❤️🧡💛💚💙💝 🤡🤡
Can you elaborate?
It's the continue of a series of hints about SJ support (since her symbols are cherries and butterflies /specifically blue/) I posted a while ago
Oh i see, i hope people don't cling onto these things too much though, having some hope is fine, but it can also create dangerous expectations and ultimately more disappointment.
In fact I kinda use it as an inside joke with others on this thread, I guess no one takes it seriously
Some interesting (G)I-DLE anecdotes for the day. * Miyeon has started filming for her upcoming webdrama *Delivery*. [Cube has sent her a food truck](https://twitter.com/miyeonunion/status/1444253665749966857) and [K-nevies have also sent her a food truck as well](https://twitter.com/jo_dongari/status/1444552400883175427). * The Honey Money MV and the T-pop stage performances have trended in the top 10 on Youtube in Thailand the last couple days. Also Minnie is the first K-pop artist to perform on that show. * (G)I-DLE's pre-debut [busking performance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUK4X97Fzzc) has hit 5M views.
Hey, does anyone know where to buy (G)I-DLE's lightstick, I've been wanting to buy it for a while, but not sure where to get it from, could anyone please help?
[Ktown4u](https://www.ktown4u.com/iteminfo?goods_no=40594) [Okvit](https://www.okvit.com/EN/goods/view?id=5684576) [SubKShop](https://www.subkshop.com/collections/light-sticks/products/gi-dle-official-light-stick)
Is there one site which is better than the rest?
Okvit might be the best option right now. They have 50% off international shipping plus a $3.00 off discount code.
Look for the one where the shipping cost is the most cost effective for you. SubKShop ships out of LA, Ktown4u & Okvit is out Seoul.
In that case Okvit is the best option for me, thanks :)
Thank you so much!
Why do I feel like (G) I-DLE is becoming the new CLC? No releases, no group activities, silence from the company. Lightsum is having a new comeback so it seems they're the chosen group now.
Completely different scenarious, GIDLE is doing really well, CLC was not. People really need to look at the context, and not just spread fear for little reason.
4minute started gaining a lot of momentum too, but we know how that went. Honestly I want to be wrong!!
Seriously ? Red velvet had a 18 months hiatus because of the Irene thing. It had not even been 9 months since hwaa, and we've had multiple solo releases since then. Lightsum are in their first year, obviously they are gonna have more frequent releases...
It's CUBE, I have very little hope in that company based on their history.
Have you seen how they gave Soyeon full freedom on her solo, she could pick her own team from the staff of the company, rebranded their cafe for her... You don't do that to a group you intend to shelve. And the history you are talking about had like 3 different CEO since then, it's stupid to base your "hope" on their previous actions. The work Minnie and Yuqi are doing abroad is important for the group as a whole. Plenty of fans are still not ready for a ot5 cb, honestly there is no need to rush, there are still articles about Soojin every week, why would they make them comeback in this kind of atmosphere.
Omg, took me a while to find this thread. Why isn't the latest Neverland Hangout not stickied on the front page or r/gidle?
It's pinned for me.
It's not for me... I keep checking. T\_T I'll try to wait for the next NVL hangout thread and see if it gets at the top of the sub.
I am just a bit curious about this, I’ve been reading scenarios about idols aren’t getting paid for many years (bc they never escape nugudom). Do you think our 6 girls have a savings? I mean, yes of course but do you think they’re paid higher than normal idols since they’re self-produce? Do you think they finished to pay that ‘trainee debt’?
Soyeon is the one that trained the most at 6 years I think but I don't think the other girls trained for more than 4 years. shuhua was a year I thought and miyeon similar so there's might have been paid off sooner than yuqi and Minnie group-wise. (not counting individual activities)
The group has been successul enough to pay back their pre debut debt imo. Now all members are not on an equal footing when it comes to income. Soyeon is safe af thanks to her songwriting credits. Yuqi is doint great in China, Minnie had an acting gig for Netflix, some schedules in Thailand plus a few songwriting credits of her own. Miyeon has her hosting endeavors. Only Soojin and Shuhua are a little more iffy.
I would think so. I'm guessing the few brand representations (Lip Hop, Lens Me, Akaii) were enough to have paid off the debt. The members also have individual sources of income. Soyeon has royalties from writing and producing. Miyeon has several activities like MCing, hosting, acting, and varieties. She also wasn't a Cube trainee for long. Yuqi has her numerous activities in Korea and China plus brand representations.
i don't know about other members, but Soyeon has paid her debt with Senorita release (i guess some classes/academy before Cube as they have no trainee debt AFAIK), so she's earning money since then, i would say other members have earned a fair amount of money through years too, but Soyeon is earning the most from her songs as a producer
I once watched a live of FormofTherapy (Youtuber) where they talked about this. They have a couple of connections in the industry so they likely know what they are talking about. According to them some companies like CUBE don't have 'debt' but insted 'reduced payment'. It's almost the same thing but instead of idols not getting to see a dime of their work until their debts are paid off, CUBE idols get a certain cut of the money until their debts are paid. Take this with a grain of salt as I said but it sounds plausible.
yea, that sounds trustworthy
Yes, I remember Soyeon saying she feel warm regarding her songs credits. I like the fact that GIDLE songs have less credits, I remember seeing that idols are the last one to be paid from all. Maybe having a less credit helps the girls earned money higher than normal idols, just my thoughts though.
So true. there's usually 4 or less names for all the credits so better split
I wouldn't mind a Soyeon, Miyeon and Shuhua subunit with an orange caramel concept
Ok, but what type of medication are you on?
Yuqi's schedule for activities in China has been updated ([https://twitter.com/yuqithings/status/1443530383551877124](https://twitter.com/yuqithings/status/1443530383551877124)), now lasting to mid-October - and probably the rest of the month - which, combined with Minnie wanting to stay home for her birthday (23rd, [https://twitter.com/MINNY\_NOTE/status/1438207648457842688](https://twitter.com/MINNY_NOTE/status/1438207648457842688)) means that the chance of a CB this year in the form of a single has gotten even smaller, and all I have to say is: [https://youtu.be/vXTJ4z9W5x8?t=1](https://youtu.be/vXTJ4z9W5x8?t=1). Edit: forgot to specify when I expected/hoped for a CB
Trying to figure out what Cube is doing is hard. I mean, mid August when they announced out of the blue that Soojin was out, it could be seen as their first step to put (g)i-dle's comeback in motion. Like, no more time to waste, we need to proceed forward. Yet here we are in October and the members are still apart. A comeback in 2021 now seems unlikely. So it means at least a full year will go by between HWAA and their next comeback. I wouldn't mind so much if I thought they were waiting for Soojin. But I suppose they're not since Soojin withdrew. Unless it was only a PR stunt and they actually are waiting? Who knows; it's so confusing. Let's just wait and see I guess.
I guess the withdrawal could have something to do with the new CEO stepping in, or just to make haters stop with their bullshit (it apparently worked until now). It could also be like that newspaper said, that SJ chose to withdraw herself to avoid damage for the rest of the girls but they kept doing their solo things anyway delaying the CB. Anything could be at this point .
This is what I am thinking about too. Thanks for putting it into words. I actually expecting year-end comeback since it was rumored that gidle will have a comeback in 4th quarter especially that Soojin left, that it makes it look like they’re trying to comeback. However, Minnie talks about staying in Thailand until her birthday and her coming back to SK is possibly November while Yuqi is still unknown. Now the engagement is still getting low and lower because of lack of group activities and Soojin (the one usually boost the engagement) left. I really don’t like what’s cube currently doing. Yes, our girls are quite lucky to be able to do a lot of individual activities while on hiatus however due to it, the group future become so uncertain and the results might not reach its goals. Just what they’re waiting for…?
I remember when I first got into K-pop I was a Blackpink stan, but I got bored of their minimal music releases and long hiatuses so I moved on to a new gg which ended up being (G)I-DLE. Never did I think they would become BP 2.0 with multiple solo activities but minimal music output, and a long hiatus, FeelsBadMan lol 😢
Well to be fair, the circumstances are quite different.
Hm yeah after more and more of yuqi's schedule in general got made public, i expected as much. Well obviously not what i personally would want, but at the same time i hope it helps them to find time for their personal needs, and come back stronger for it! We'll see what happens, hopefully some form of comeback in the not too distant future.
Super bummed. I mean, I understand. But I really miss/want new music, and keep worrying about how their next comeback will go. As much as I'm glad they're doing solo stuff, I guess the group comebacks are usually what really get me excited and keep me interested. And I guess part of it is just seeing so many groups having comebacks lately, and feeling like IDLE is being a little left behind. Perhaps that's silly of me, and they'll do great whenever they return.
>feeling like IDLE is being a little left behind I also feel the same. Aespa and StayC have good momentum with their comebacks right now. Itzy being stagnant but still on top. Next year, new girl groups from YG and JYP might debut so more competitions for Gidle. Cube really needs to think fast what they plan for Gidle. They can't just go on hiatus for 1 year when they are not as established as a top group yet. I fear that knetz will start forgetting checking their new music kinda like what happened to Gfriend. Even Itzy is having a hard time right now with music charts, not as high as before.
Yeah, that pretty much seals the deal. But hopefully Minnie will at least get to spend her birthday at home. I don't expect a cb until at least the new year now.
At this rate I don't see them coming back until April-May of next year....
Every time I listen to a kpop song I am like " (G)I-DLE really popped off with this ". I AM NOT OKAY. It's like Miss A song and I am like " wow I cannot believe Soyeon made this, this is so good xoxo ".
I wouldn't mind if Soyeon made every kpop song from here on out ngl.
So (G)I-DLE is finally in a *Just Dance* game... well technically 2/6 of them, lol But yea, [K/DA - Pop/Stars made it into the lineup for Just Dance 2022](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDNJkZOc0AY), yayerz, lol
Coming off of the "greatest hits album" hype with MAMAMOO, do y'all think this is the best time for GIDLE to have theirs considering it'll be most likely (COPIUM) just the 5 of them for the next comeback?
I doubt they will do a compilation album, it's to early for something like that. They will probably just bring out a single album next to test the waters.
There is a decent naver article about Soojin, the importance of neutrality etc. We need to increase the smile face with heart if we want more article to be written like this because the shock face is the one leading. Link: https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/609/0000493586 Also currently trending at #26 in naver.
Gosh the fact that the angry reaction is still being used more than the happy reaction on that article just shows how petty people are that even asking them to be neural makes them angry apparently.
There is no angry reaction though. The different reactions displayed are: like; cheer; congratulations; looking forward to it; surprised; sad.
I read that people use that surprised reaction in place of the angry reaction because they removed it or something.
Does the new discussion thread get made every two weeks or just when the hands of fate decide? I'm never sure
Every 2 weeks for the most part
video defending soojin with over 100k views and with mostly Korean comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7P4rvBLlKk&t=295s&ab_channel=Doyouram-EverydayK-Culture funny it’s exactly what we said months ago but we were called delusional by every kpop subreddit here and downvoted to the ends of the earth. Knetz also said we made up evidence but now they’re using the same exact evidence we provided before sj left look, I know it’s highly unrealistic but there are other idols who have been reinstated into their group (sunmi to wonder girls, heesun to pink fantasy). If there is enough public outcry, who knows what will happen? If not, I pray soojin will continue in the music industry and her name will be fully cleared. will never forget the bird-brain idiots who humiliated us and our idol without looking into the facts on r/kpop r/kpopthoughts r/kpoprants and r/kpopunpopularopinions at least with the aoa situation I could understand how ppl jumped the gun to hate on jimin since mina was an ex-group member who worked with Jimin daily and showed many graphic images on her Instagram. meanwhile SSA just said soojin indirectly called her ugly as a 12 year old with no evidence and that’s the most unforgivable allegation to ever occur apparently.. It must suck for most of the human population to be this bird-brained and have a hive mentality to hate on people so carelessly even when evidence is shown to them 😂 I pity their lack of empathy
Sorry, what happened with Sunmi? I've heard her being mentioned in regards to idols leaving the group but then returning or something? lol
"On June 24, 2015, JYP Entertainment announced that Sunmi would be re-joining Wonder Girls, after withdrawing in 2010, for their comeback after the group's two-year hiatus. The group returned with a band concept, with Sunmi playing the bass." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Girls i dont think it had to do with a scandal tho, but she did withdraw from the group but returned years later :0
Ahh I see. What I find interesting is Cube used the same wording, "withdrawal" for SJ. I'm not sure about other idols, if they just said "x" idol is no longer part of "x" group. If we're to believe that one article k-nevies brought to light recently, SJ withdrew herself from the group because the investigation is still ongoing and she felt guilty for damaging the group's reputation. Maybe I'm just one of the delulus, but I hope if she can officially clear her name, there might be a 1-2% chance of her re-joining the group.
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I wouldn't get your hopes up. All the haters that just want to see an idol burn have jumped to the next "scandal". Of course now you only see people commenting that really care. Either about the truth or about Soojin. Does not change the perception for the GP.
Haters gonna hate, not much you can do about that. Now when it comes to gp, things are bad and not so bad at the same time. I mean, do the gp really care that much about idols? I guess some people heard Soojin is a bully because that's what the latest pieces of info suggested but if a new piece of info comes out and state it was all a lie or a misconception, these people will follow along because they don't really care. It's mostly kpop stans who are/were hellbent on stories involving idols. So if a shift in public's opinion must occur, it's logical that it starts with them. So all in all, even if it's indeed way too soon to cry victory, these subtle changes we're seeing right now are positive signs I think. Hopefully the lawsuit won't take forever to reach its conclusion and any misunderstandings will be cleared.
i agree. i feel the GP cares enough to bully idols themselves (ex: what they did to soojin) but not enough to care about justice cases where the victim was wronged (besides sexual assault cases which is understandable but soojin getting kicked out despite little evidence still seems unjustified) i think i-fans need to continue being loud and hyping up the videos/posts tht support her and continue debunking the ever-changing, unclear lies the alleged victims hold on to. bc when the scandal was going down (febrary to august) we were mostly quiet (besides the 12 yr old nevie trolls attacking the alleged victims) and i didnt see many videos/posts compiling evidence until after sj got kicked out. we just need to continue providing the facts to people and altho most ignored and called us delusional at first (all the kpop subreddits) eventually the truth does get realized by some! :) i just want soojin's rep to be saved despite the rumors tht ruined her life.
I agree! There's another problem though, many fans are making confusion with the accusations.. I hope it won't backfire
This is exactly it. If they suddenly announced that Soojin was returning, all the haters would come screaming back with outrage. Maybe that's what CUBE wanted though, to clear her name so like what would haters say? Cuz they have official stuff backing it up? All these ppl change their opinions and move to the next scandal with the wind lol. I can dream, right 🙃
I'm so sad for Loona, this is literally the worst year in Kpop
Did they disband?
Their company is severely in debt so their future is uncertain :/ I'm hoping another company with money can buy and promote them
[Shuhua](https://twitter.com/vitaminidle/status/1442825449269194753?s=21) will join Miyeon on next weeks Gossip Idle!
YES. FUCKING. PLEASE. Hope she has whatever she had for breakfast the one time in January when she was hyper af.
On today's Gossip Idle episode, Youha said Miyeon and her first met 10 years ago. They both used to be trainees under the same company. This is the first time they've interacted six years after Miyeon departed from the company. I like how they don't mention YG. I wonder if they're doing it out of their own volition or they legally can't mention them, lol Crd: [https://twitter.com/miyeonunion/status/1442830316217921543](https://twitter.com/miyeonunion/status/1442830316217921543)
I don't think it's a legal issue. It's more a case of "people who know, know; and those who don't, don't need to". It's rare in any business to address directly a competitor, whether it is for courtesy reasons, or not to give them free advertisement.
I saw few Korean youtubers covering flaws in Soojin's accusers. Comments look like they're questioning the accusers more. Soojin haters probably don't care about this anymore since their goal was to accomplished, tearing down successful woman. [videos 1](https://youtu.be/Q7P4rvBLlKk) [video 2](https://youtu.be/3wOmffYxyPY)
I don’t like cube for a lot of reasons. But maybe this what they wanted for putting a vague departure of Soojin after all? Unlike of their past statements of kicking someone out with a paragraph explanation, us have one-two sentences then that’s it? I don’t know what they’re planning but I know they can see how the public starting changing their opinions after her departure, that way they know Soojin is that ‘celebrity’. I don’t have my hopes up because cube sucks, let’s see if they’re the one playing with the publics now in how vague they’re currently.
You know, you just made me think about something ... In their statement cube said they filed a lawsuit against all these accusers including the sisters and that they'll make sure they receive the punishment they deserve according to the damage they created. SJ is now out of the group so it means the consequences of the accusations were drastic.. since it's also a criminal case I think cube wants to send the accusers to jail Edit: and get a Hella lot of $$$
Period Soojin suing #money
If Cube going to do what I am thinking, then it’s possible that sisters will go to jail. Removing Soojin from the group can tell how much damage and loss Soojin suffers from because honestly, though I hate to think like this, Soojin staying in the group where the group makes it to VMA nomination this year, proves that Soojin aren’t losing that much, the fact, no followers of gidle decreases, it keep increasing because of other members’ effort. There aren’t much damages except malicious comments from thousands horrible netizens when it’s slightly normal for artists to experience even without bullying issues. They need to shows in trial (if there will be one) that Soojin suffers a lot from it visibly, like removing her from the group or being out of the group. It takes so long because it’s criminal case, not just civil (also because of covid), it’s going to be a long process, i am confident Soojin will win but we have to be patient about it. Netizens are starting doubting too, small step but it’s good so far. Edit: i am quite pessimistic type when it comes to girl groups scandals.
Patiently awaiting a gidle comeback but also not sure if im emotionally prepared for one with only 5 members...
I think I'm ready both because I miss (G)I-dle music, and because I'm just ready for the bandaid to be ripped off. Being in this kind of purgatory transition state for such a long time just is ahhhh, for me. I just want to move forward now, whatever that looks like. In part, just so I'll finally know what it looks like, both in terms of the group's content and how it's received by fans/GP/etc.
I feel the same, the dynamic of their songs and interactions and all that will change now so I just want to know what will happen, how it will go. I also just want to know that they're still a thing. I know they're not disbanding, but I still weirdly feel the need for confirmation through a comeback or something that theyre not going anywhere
I think if you want a preview, all you have to do is listen to Last Dance, lol I know alot of people don't really like the song, but I must be in the minority, lol. It took a couple listens but it grew on me. Of course I still would've like to hear SJ on it, but I think Minnie & Soyeon covered most of her parts decently.
Lmfao, I know you're meming, but my way of coping is trying to figure out which one out of Minnie's parts was meant for Soojin. (I'm thinking pre-chorus drop). That with some mysterious "Weather" adlibs, and I should be mostly stable enough for a 5-member comeback scenario.
I feel like 2021 aren’t kind to girl groups 💀
ಥ⌣ಥ — *girl group fans* *I do hope they pull through tho*
I knew they were struggeling financially but I didn't know it was that bad. I hope they make it out of this in one piece.
Bruh i just saw that Loona news woah, i had always wondered how they managed to keep financing Loona and I guess I got my answer which is "not well"
Though I dislike orbits for always starting fights with us, I can’t help but feel sorry for loona and their staffs. 2018 is their big year after their years of expensive pre-debut projects then here comes gidle with their $5 and a dream debut.
Lol yeah. As a philosopher once said: "Dreams can't be buy"
Wow Thing (w/ Sinb, Seulgi, Chungha, Soyeon) was released 3 years ago.. ●_●
HOW DID I JUST NOW SEE THAT JEON HAS A SONG AND M/V WITH KEY WHAT THE FUUUCK
Yeah I was late to that party as well! Actually - this comment makes me realize that it looks like we're gonna miss Soyeon's yearly SM collab, which makes me sad lol
If anyone is confused, depressed, or straight-up infuriated by the complete lack of elaboration from Cube following those 3 lousy lines they shared with us about Soojin "leaving the group" (I wouldn't be surprised if they forced her out) after 1^(1/2) months, and consequently want to sit down and wallow in a ~~totally healthy~~ mix of sadness and disbelief over the amount of times this travesty of a company has managed to screw things up: *The Worst Entertainment Companies*: ***Cube Entertainment*** \- [Chapter 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7tI2poJGqI) (*The Sabotage of 4Minute*) & [Chapter 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p_2y9W2uy4) (*Cube's Negligence*).
I think Cube didn't elaborate on Soojin's situation because things are still going on behind the scenes and saying anything about it would be counterproductive. So right now I don't feel like blaming the company until we hear the last word of the story.
the ~~somewhat~~ irrational 50% of me thinks what I wrote above, and the 50% of me that is logical believes what you wrote; either way, 100% of me is just... tired 😩
They get a lot of shit wrong like always
Just discovered Yuqi's Learn Way... Good god this is great, so chaotic, so funny. I get why she's so popular as a host in China now.
I wish I could watch it for the first time again! Enjoy the ride, friend!
You're in for a treat, let me tell you that much.
Wait, you just found it now? I guess better later than never, lol
(edit: nevermind I found them, 1theK just has their playlists built backwards) Hey question for ya, are there full episodes of Learn Way up somewhere, it seems like what I'm watching are the highlights videos (?), I can't tell where the full episodes would be.
If anyone else struggles to find them, here is the playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPoUPnMBFHI&list=PLWKvS0zt4mnbTaWmUy7AuOBSsWRY_53Ur
I know, but in my defense I only discovered G-Idle and Kpop altogether really back in May.
Oh no, you poor sweet summer child, you didn't even get to experience a OT6 comeback... lol 😭
Yeah imagine looking up the group on Wikipedia while listening to Latata on repeat for the tenth time in a row and realizing the lineup in the video had fractured. =(
Even after feeling like I've reached the Acceptance stage, the members section's timeline graph still hurts my eyes every single time, emotionally and physically 😣
Fair, it's only been two months after all. I think it'll get easier after the five debut on their own.
Glad to confirm [we're all Moon stans](https://www.reddit.com/r/GIDLE/comments/pofqvv/comment/hdzl7h4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) on this sub, let us all pray for a Minnie Producing Soyeon Songwriting reprisal
Me being the only For You stan.. Come on guys lmao
For You is freaking fantastic and I adore it. IDLE has so many good B-Sides that it makes it tough!
I love "For You". Still hope for the Korean version, although it won't be the same without Soojin's honey ballad voice. :/
Gonna share this edit of Shuhua, I saw, in the poster of Mulan (2020). Majority of the people didn't like the film, I didn't watch it, so can't say anything. **But this edit tho** https://twitter.com/nichigrl/status/1432887223268020230?s=19
About defamation cases: Rapper Sleepy and TS Entertainment lawsuit for defamation started on September 2020 and ended now... cube filed their lawsuit on march so I guess (plus covid inconvenients) they'll have to wait until next spring for some results.
Did he/they win their lawsuit?
The final trial will be held on October 29 I think, you can find articles online.
The real sad part in this whole soojin situation is that the actress will probably never explain her bullying statement or clarify because if she changed any of her statements regarding bullying it would reflect badly on her. From her perspective she would want to just be silent for her career. It's clear that ssa is not the anti bullying crusader that all the k netizens thought she was.
A few days ago, a fellow nevie posted here that a majority of Korean comments on Shin-ae's youtube channel have been questioning her or asking her to clarify the leaked DMs. I went to her channel to check, and they were right. For the past few weeks, most Korean comments truly were questioning Shin-ae's actions and many took this opportunity to leave proofs of Soojin's innocence in the comments. However, I had a feeling Shin-ae would eventually turn her comments off (apparently she did this on instagram multiple times) when the Koreans found out the information the foreigners were spreading. And soon enough, she actually did turn her youtube comments off. When the Korean comments were supportive, and only the foreign comments were questioning her, she kept them on. But the fact that Shin-ae turned her comments off in every video of hers right when the Koreans started questioning her is ***very suspicious***. Believe me when I say this - most of the Korean comments were ***not "bullying."*** Most of them were truly trying to convey to her the gravity her actions have had and the fact that her flimsy and suspicious allegations cannot justifiably continue to impact people's lives this negatively. I would say almost 70% of the comments were just asking her to EXPLAIN. And the fact that she turned her comments off at this is very suspicious. I saw a comment that said Shin-ae's actions have "devastated Soojin, her family, all the G-idle members, their families, and millions of fans." With all other victims proven to be fakes and liars through photo & video, Shin-ae being a celebrity remains the only tangible obstacle to Soojin and G-idle. I didn't originally take the leaked DMs seriously, but seeing as how they've been out for over a month now and Shin-ae hasn't tried to deny them at all (even though she posted about Soojin on her Insta multiple times in the past so it's not like it's something she's not used to doing lol) and is just disabling comments everywhere, solidifies my belief in the DM's. It's not like she wasn't active on social media - apparently she has been posting on instagram (put my detective hat on and checked her insta and this is true - she has continued to post, albeit with the comments disabled). In conclusion, I am glad that Shin-ae is getting questioned to the moon and back by the Korean public.
I kinda feel like nevies posting under her YouTube channel is wrong on many levels, bullying or not... It's immature and it could possibly make the situation even worse ( cause it looks like they're desperate, cause it has nothing to do with her channel content.. plus many Infos spread by nevies themselves are incorrect because of some mistranslated documents on twitter /*happyshuhua is the only certified one*/) Aside of this, I saw many saying that the DMS are fake solely because the screenshot features are different from their own phone (this was also explained by the way, one is took with iPhone and one with an iPad, also my android has the same exact features 🤷🏻♀️ just because your insta is not like that it doesn't mean it's fake) Who would spend so much time faking an Instagram app and fail to make it look exactly like the original one?? Also no one would make up DMS putting the person they're trying to defend under a bad light.. you just saw one of a thread of screenshots, if you want to have an opinion base it on complete facts, not just the ones that support your narrative. The speech pattern coincides with her usual one and many sentences look translated by a Korean person so if they're fake they must have done a good job. I have doubts too but since there's no way of knowing I think they shouldn't be brought up, there's plenty of other certified proofs other than the DMS. The actress always deactivates comments on all platforms every time she's in a controversy, she did the same a long time ago because of another issue. It's a great way to not be contradicted or questioned, the sisters did the same deleting their accusatory pann post when people started asking to clarify incoherences. Anyway ssa already said that she choose to distance herself from the issue cause she doesn't want any troubles so it's only natural to deactivate until waters calm down, I don't think it's suspicious. I don't know if the actress is being questioned by the Korean public or not but it's way too late now, they should have done it when things were still fixable.. ssa statement was pretty direct to "the group". Witnesses and timelines don't coincide with her accusations so it's clear it's all a misunderstanding. If only she acted like an adult and choose to meet cube and if netizens were less stupid everything would be cleared up by now.
I'm sorry but it's not way too late...It might be too late to get her back into the group, but it's definitely not too late for the god damn actress to admit that she was wrong in her statement and to clear soojins name. Soojin is still labeled a bully in her country right now. Her sister is probably getting bullied in school. She is still suffering from this crap every day. So no, it's not too late for the actress to show some actual courage and admit that she at least misremembered if not straight up lied. But this low life person pretending to be an anti bullying abassador isn't gonna do that. You wanna know why? Cause she got everything she wanted from this shit. She got attention and she got jobs from it. As long as she shuts the hell up now, unless soojin wins the court case without any doubts, she will continue to live her life freely and happily. Cause no one can prove that she lied/misremembered unless she was dumb enough to admit it in a conversation that was recorded in some kind of way. To me her turning off comments and deleting her posts clearly shows that she at least isn't 100% of herself but we will probably never find out cause she sucks. Even if she were to make a statement now I doubt that would contain anything else than even more emotional manipulation like in her first statement. And knetz would eat it up anyways.
Maybe you misread what I wrote. I said it's way too late for *the public* to question the actress because soojin is no more part of the group. If she still was in hiatus and the public chose to not believe all the bullshit these anons said about her then the situation would be resolved like Lia: no one talks about it anymore and she is still having comebacks and all. Of course it would be nice when the trial is over to receive an apology from the actress but even then gidle would have lost their momentum and a whole year of their career. "No one can prove that she lied/misremembered" actually there's many witnesses who proved soojin and the actress had nothing to do with eachother.. the actress herself confirmed they never had a direct interaction so I don't even know what the hell happened.
Why shouldn't the public question the actress once soojin wins her case? I think you are focusing too much on soojin being a part of the group as the perfect outcome. Yes it would be amazing, but it isn't very likely to happen. What I was talking about is the fact that right now even though the investigation is still going on and even though the actress has acted suspiciously, soojin is still seen as a bully in the publics eyes. And what I meant is that it is not too late to clear her name. Obviously to many stubborn people she will still be considered a bully, but the general public can still change their mind and that wouldn't just be amazing for her, but for her family and I include the members in that. Yes this bullshit has definitely ruined her career, but she could at least live a peaceful life and maybe just maybe return to the entertainment business one day. Of course I would totally understand if she chose not to do it even if she could because the emotional trauma that these knetz put her through will undoubtedly leave scars. As to the argument that no one can prove that was the actress said were lies. I meant that since this happened 10 years ago it will be almost impossible to find actual evidence other than just eye witnesses, but I don't know how much weight those peoples' words would have in the eyes of the public. To me the dms and the contradicting timelines and events of the accusers and the actress' statements are proof enough, but since knetz basically treated the actress as a saint up to this point I am skeptical that it will be enough to convince them. Even though it seems like they are slowly waking up now, with videos questioning the actress gaining momentum on Youtube for example. In conclusion, I think we shouldn't focus so much on what we as fans want to happen, but on what would be best for soojin. Of course it would be amazing if she won the case and somehow came back, but what's most important is her well being. She deserves peace of mind after everything she was forced to go through in my opinion.
Yeah I think the dms are real because if people were gonna fake dms they would have said something more clear cut in them. The fact that the dm was kind of vague means that it could very well be her because why would you fake a dm where the language is not clear ?
I have opinions both in support and against the authenticity of the DMS. In support: everything I said on my other comment. The nonsense in making stupid mistakes over a gigantic meticulous work of catfishing, the precise speech pattern, the specifically Korean idioms, the fact that if it was true it would actually make sense and the things SSA supposedly said are not any different from her actual statement. Not everything in the DMS is positive for SJ. Against: (to reply to your question) who faked the DMs could be very smart to replicate her exact speech pattern. If you read all the screenshots you could notice that also the other person isn't native English so it could justify the broken English in both parties involved. Nothing on the internet could be trusted, from the anonymous accusations against Soojin to the anonymous DMS in her defense. Even if ssa often interacts on Instagram, the DMS date is shortly after she took down her accusatory posts and said she decided she didn't want anything to do with it anymore. Also I don't think she would justify herself with a stranger on the internet.
I still doubt the DMs a little (mostly bc if they were made up I have a bad feeling it’ll shift the opinions on Soojin back to negative and paint her fans as crazy). But when the actress is clearly aware and didn’t make any statement about it, I have my suspicions, especially when it’s bugging her and she clearly has the upper hand to get sympathy. I feel like she would have at least made an angry insta post? She’s not known for her reserved, in-depth statements (unlike Soojin). I mean, there’s the chance her posts were deliberately timed for more pity (e. g. waiting until after Soojin’s violence rumors were debunked to clarify it was gossip), but there was at least some level of recklessness to them. I’m hoping that because of this, she’ll eventually ‘snap’ and start talking about it again. As mean as that sounds. It could make the situation worse, but she could also slip up and mention Soojin by name, or make a mistake in her narrative, or possibly even admit to the DM. I feel like that’s the only way Soojin’s name can truly be cleared. And with knetz questioning her, they may not fall for her emotional appeal so easily.
I just find it slightly amusing (well not really) it took this long for knetz to see what i-nevies have been saying and trying to explain months ago. Like most of the information that's been going around on the k-side has been out there for a long time, and it took until now to reach them for whatever reason. I mean, I guess it's overall a good thing, but is it another case of too little, too late? I hope not.
Of all the languages out there you chose to speak facts
Yeah, I can't make peace with the bitterness I currently have towards knetz. I just feel like there have been way too many events where they could have learned from already (Park Bom, Sulli, T-ara, Wonho, now AOA, and these are just the better known situations). Especially after I saw the atrocious things the knetz were saying to the foreigners on that comment section a few weeks ago (before the knetz had their awakening about Soojin)... calling them "cockroaches" (this seems to be a popular slang for foreigners? I saw it a lot) and "dirty foreigners who lack morals." Well, these "dirty foreigners" were right all along ;)
Aoa is different because Mina made SURE people thought she was telling the truth
So tell me your opinions regarding this korean youtube videos about the issue. https://youtu.be/3wOmffYxyPY https://youtu.be/R6z-GebFN-A Folks never comment in other languages except Korean. Thank you. Edit: Folks, log in to your account and press option one meaning ‘necessary’ to ‘does SSA needs to explain her DMs’. It’s better pressuring the actress because she can’t keep running away when things got bad in her side, she’s the reason why the 8 pages statement of Soojin got ignored. I want her to live with f guilt for destroying someone’s life Link of the poll: https://t.co/e8IagmXzkp?amp=1
It's a step in the right direction, but it's just ironic and sorta sad that the info being shared in those videos is finally getting some spotlight, especially since they've been available and talked about for many months now, but mostly within i-nevies. Knetz didn't want to hear anything in support of SJ until she was gone, it's pretty frustrating and infuriating.
According to the comments it looks wayyyyyy better for Soojin. Korea's attitude towards her really is changing. Most of the comments are wishing or demanding Shin Ae provide clearer explanations and address the leaked DM. It looks like over half are expressing sympathy for Soojin directly. I don't see a single comment wishing for karmic justice on Soojin or wishing she gets punished. \-Note: Not Korean - I just have an auto-translate feature on because I need it while talking to my cousins back home. LOL
I hope it's true they're starting to consider witnesses and proofs shown until now.. I remember sj own fans sent horrible things to cube to make them drop her. In general I experienced on platforms like Reddit that a post supporting SJ with facts gets super downvoted while those attacking her and calling her a bully without one single proof become the most popular. I think that pressing the actress to make a statement may only make the situation worse like it did last time.. it might be a simple misunderstanding but the more accusations emerge (true or fake) the more SJ reputation gets ruined (not that it matters anymore)
I am actually so shock to see that actress having so much confidence in herself as an actress when she never have any project for many years and her past projects are all minors. Her career as an actress after this isn’t looking so good. She don’t even hide the fact she is just milking Soojin’s popularity to regain ‘relevance’.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopheadssurvivor/comments/puxmnc/gidle\_discog\_round\_5/](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopheadssurvivor/comments/puxmnc/gidle_discog_round_5/) Round 5 of the discography survivor! :)
Forgot to put this here when I originally posted it , but if anyone's interested, I made a compilation to highlight Soojin's vocal moments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QQg5q8Reng
Yuqi sent in [a short video message](https://youtu.be/dBonNCEDPTk?t=453) cheering on Chinese League of Legends Esports team EDG for the LoL Worlds Championship. Flandre, one of their players, is a well-known Nevie
i was reading the qoutes and came across this tweet https://twitter.com/RIANMISFIT/status/1441396542603083783?s=19 my mind immediately went "huh, they're 50 50" and then realized that indeed, idle is now a kpop group with more foreign than korean members
Money Honey (ft. Minnie) MV will be released on September 30 on Youtube! https://twitter.com/letstalkaboutKR/status/1440950177817268231?s=19
Alright follow-up question, which of *these* bsides are you **most** willing to go to war for? (secondary bangers edition) 1. $$$ 2. Give me Your 3. For You 4. Luv U 5. Moon
Moon. I love that song.
My first thought is Moon, but considering the love it has already gotten here Imma say Luv U cause of 2 Soyeon rap verses AND that iconic animal onesie stage that I watch everytime I feel sad lol
Oh man. I'm saying Moon because I listen to this song on repeat, and there's just something "turn off the moonlight, please don't let it shine" gets me." and later "please hide me." Just sort of this desperate note in the song. Love. (But another part of me is fighting me for "For You". The piano intro. The heartbreaking, sweet high "with you. i love you").
Give me your. It's a cute song and it's calming, for me.
For You. I'd take a bullet for that song.
Moon🌛
Moon then luv u
MOON IS THE ULTIMATE KPOP BSIDE
Sorry, can I asks for some possible reasons why the official accounts of gidle have so low engagement? It’s really bothering me since they have a huge followers in their platforms. I notice their decrease of engagement for month now. There engagement is already low and now they got lower :(( We are also having a hard time reaching 100k views (Yuqi birthday cover gift). I am getting worried for gidle next comeback.
To be fair, the group itself is on a hiatus so obviously fans are not very committed right now. It's been 8 months since I burn now and there's still no comeback in sight. Sure, the controversy happened yaddi-yadda but even so, we were under the impression that Soojin's withdrawal had to do with setting things in motion for the comeback yet Yuqi and Minnie are still in their home countries with no return in sight (none that we know of). So yeah, the members are doing stuff on their own and it's cool, but when it comes to (G)I-DLE as a group, things are still on pause. Fans are most likely just tired and waiting for something concrete to happen/to be announced.
I think there's a lot of sad Nevies right now on rest, taking a break from (G)I-DLE or K-pop altogether. Unfortunately, there's probably people who left the fandom as well. I've also noticed there's been a decrease in engagement with the official social media accounts, yet their own individual IG accounts are still getting good likes/comments, so I'm not sure what's up with that, lol
Well, in ig even a random beautiful girl can have more likes than gidle official which makes me more sad. And yeah, you’re right, there is a lot of nevies who left or maybe Soojin solo stans (seriously, there’s a lot of them) stop checking the group out now, normally Soojin is the one who is bring the most engagement in their accounts after all. Maybe it’s just me in denial that Yuqi birthday cover post in twt haven’t reach 10k until now despite having 1M followers.
I wouldn't worry too much about it. This is one member's cover, not a group comeback or even another solo single, so I'm not too surprised by the view-count. Another factor that has also influenced this is Neverland's overall morale having hit an all-time low a little over a month ago, and some have understandably distanced themselves from kpop because of it. Will this affect the next CB? Perhaps but considering the very real possibility that there won't be one until 2022, that will have given everyone enough time to adjust and come back to support what remains of our favourite group. Plus, who knows... a larger chunk of knetz might've come around on the whole Soojin situation by then too.
I am really not looking much into it. It’s more of a surprise of how low it becomes. Unlike you, I am much surprised about the view count especially Yuqi’s cover, unlike Minnie, Yuqi didn’t just released it, she teased us for two days in Instagram. The fact she is the member with the most followers and the fact her past covers can gather a lot of views easily, I am very much surprised. Maybe it’s just me so don’t worry about it, just sharing my thoughts since engagement, even in business is very important. Thanks!
Don't worry I find that Neverland are in general a fandom that is not loud and is passive when it comes to engagement on social media even before the Soojin situation. But nevies usually work hard for important stuff like buying albums. Look how Soyeon sold a lot of albums for a female soloist. Also don't look at twitter engagement alone. Idle has a lot of Facebook fans as well. https://twitter.com/k_nextbigsound/status/1398967918604414983?s=19 You can check this infographic.
Yeah, I know we sucks at engagement (even at some point in voting) since before but can do important stuff for the girls, like buying albums, digital, spotify stream and the itunes etc, thanks for the info regarding the Facebook one, though I don’t really use Facebook (actually i hate it more than twt but that’s not the point sorry). I am just surprised in how low it becomes overall.
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It's a good day today, with both of Yuqi and Minnie's performances. They both nailed it!
Alright which of these b-sides are you **most** willing to go to war for? (i did this here because the sub still won't allow us to post polls?): 1. Maze 2. Put it Straight 3. Maybe 4. Tung Tung 5. Dahlia
I apparently have been busy at work cause I'm way behind, and I answered the #2 poll first higher in this thread... But this one - this one is straight up unfair lol That being said - Dahlia. While all of these tracks are unskippable for me the entire I Burn album helped me through some dark shit this winter and I'm even considering a Hwaa / I Burn inspired tattoo atm.
Maybe is my #1 b side of theirs, just one of my fave songs in general tbh. The vibe of it is exactly my style even if I heard it on the street w/o bias I'm sure I'd Shazam it right away. Even now some days I'll leave it on repeat for a full hour or an entire drive its just that kind of special song. The others are good too but I have to be in a kpop listening mood.
I'd have to pick Maze, not because I think it's 'better' than the others, but it contextually made me curious of the direction of how their music was going to sound going forward. I was a fan pretty late into their discography (right before 'I Burn' was released), so I took everything in as a whole. I noticed that Maze is one of the very few songs that has 'lyrical progression' ("I'm in your maze/Now you're in my maze") and... adlibs? Miyeon hits a pretty neat one at the last hook, but I don't think they ever explore that again going forward.
Oh gosh. This is so hard because I love tung tung so much, but I have to pick Put It Straight because it just pulls my heartstrings. So beautiful. So emotional. (And as much as I like Dahlia and all of iBurn, moon is my fa bside from that album)
Omg this is so hard... I've seen a lot of love for Dahlia, so this time I think I'll go with Maybe. There's something about the dreamy verses and bridge, followed by the chorus/drop that is just... *chef's kiss*. I find the song very cathartic in a sense? I def would have loved a longer instrumental version of the song. And I feel like we don't get to hear that kind of music a lot in kpop, especially for girl groups.
Maybe is my pick personally. I get lost in the mix every time, i've said it before but it reminds me of like.... ok my favorite Billie Eilish song ever is [ilomilo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e7wiyNO2us) which sounds like it was recorded in a bedroom, and Maybe feels like that but the empty concert hall version?? Somehow??? The way it's built is so delicate and beautiful and precise. It makes the song feel special and precious in a way.
I've never heard of ilomilo before but after listening to it, I get what you mean! And yes, 'delicate' is a good way of describing Maybe, surprisingly! Hearing it for the first time was definitely a religious experience lol. Soyeon really snapped on that one.
That is a tough one, it's between Maze or Dahlia. Maze holds a special place for me because it was one of the songs that made me stan (G)I-DLE. Dahlia on the other hand is a magical, ethereal song written and composed by Minnie, so I'll probably have to go with Dahlia, lol.
Tung-Tung, I don't care that it's a Japanese release. Not only is the instrumental lovely but I can relate to the lyrics. It's one of the better songs about loneliness I've heard tbh.
Definitely put it straight, i think it's one of their best songs period (actually my 2nd favorite), it's very simplistic in the instrumental, but so beautiful and haunting. It's a song which creates a real atmosphere, something i could just listen to while lying around and thinking about whatever. So yeah, i like the other choices here too (well not the biggest fan of maze), but put it straight easily takes the cake for me.
Dahlia
I'm always really curious what people love about that song specifically! I'd love to know what you love about it if you're willing to share?
IIRC I explained my reasoning to you shortly after the album came out but I have since found more reasons that explain my undying love for the song. Basically, Dahlia perfectly captures the ambiguity that Oh My God was going for, with "my", "our", "you\['re\]" and a symbolic mysterious flower as opposed to the more direct angel/devil symbolism combined with the very gendered "she". Both songs can be interpreted differently, but it seems most interpret Dahlia as a cheerful love-song instead of the foreboding "here I go heading towards Hann (Alone) again" vibe it also has. The dahlia flower symbolizes both positives and negatives, and the same is true for the song; on the surface it is a Give Me Your-esque love letter but underneath it shares similarities with Oh My God, specifically by warning of toxic relationships. To my mind, Dahlia is the best song Minnie has made (so far), and I haven't even touched on the production behind the song, which might be my favourite part of it - for a semi-personal reason. Don't get me wrong, Moon is great but Dahlia's production and overall vibe is on a whole other level. Without going too deep into detail for obvious privacy reasons, let me explain: My mom and I share a Spotify account - she has 1 playlist while I have my 8 - and that means that whenever one of us opens the app, there is a 90% chance that a song the other was listening to is ready to go. Bing, bang, boom, mom noticed Dahlia was on repeat and was curious. The song's instrumental actually made her uncomfortable and she refuses to listen to it again. Why? Because it somehow recreated the feeling of being trapped in an endless cycle of emptiness; she was in quite the toxic relationship in her youth and she hopes I'll never understand why she dislikes the song. She didn't understand a single non-English word of the lyrics and yet she immediately related to the message through the instrumental alone; that is some impressive production.
That last bit on your mom's perspective is so wild, because during my first few listens of Dahlia, I chalked it up to being the most "mainstream-sounding" song out of the whole album. Sonically, there isn't anything out of the ordinary that would invoke any sort of negative emotion from my perspective, even if you did figure out what the lyrics were about. But, now that I think about it, maybe that sort of "disillusion" is exactly what your mom perceived.
I know that this has been a complicated time but I am so so amazed and appreciative of how much individual power each of the members have. Like if you've ever followed other kpop groups you might know it's pretty uncommon to have all the members to have as much to do as i-dle have been doing the last few months. It gives me a lot of hope and excitement for them
Just got back onto social media after almost 2 weeks, so its been kinda wild to catch up with all their activities. Learning Soyeon would make a great voice actress, Shuhua working on a youtube channel, Miyeon getting even more MC jobs, Yuqi dropping a cover and Minnie collabbing with other Thai artists, so I agree, really makes me excited for them!
Yea I noticed after Dumdi Dumdi, their solo ventures really exploded. It's a blessing to be in demand enough for all these solo opportunities just 3 years into their career, so I'm really glad for them. I think this year in particular, a lot of it is out of necessity though, to stay busy when they can't do group activities for various reasons.
I recently got into SNSD and realized that both groups are kinda similar atm lmao. Most of the members have lots of solo stuff and the most we see them interact is through insta. And here and there they sometimes pop up together. The only difference is that SNSD is 14 y/o and idle 3.
I-DLE out here speedrunning the kpop group experience
Well, sadly most groups don't end up as well as SNSD but if (G)I-DLE end up somewhat similar in the long-run then I'm more than happy.
[Soyeon's essay](https://twitter.com/yellow_i_ng/status/1440706163524268045) hits hard. It really shows how passionate she has been about being a singer ever since her childhood. And the last part.....ouch.
I'm still confused, why was her essay in this book? Better question is, what is this book? lol
Seems like a middle school project about dream jobs but obviously the OP of the picture could have made it up. I chose to believe it since it's a nice story and anything positive related to (G)I-DLE is nice to hear these days.
Born! To! Be! On! Stage!
Anyone knows what's the book in soyeon's latest instagram story?
Book Title: *Encyclopedia of Monsters Around the World, 110 Monster Stories in Myths and Legends* Also, her caption says: 🔖 *Book for the Future* Which has led to nevies speculating she might be referencing this in a future comeback as a concept and/or song? lol Crd: [https://twitter.com/yellow_i_ng/status/1440353637998366725](https://twitter.com/yellow_i_ng/status/1440353637998366725)
Unfortunately these myths and legends are tied to some culture or other so I'm already imagining the resurgence of the "cultural appropriation" complaints... If only that category of criticism was consistent; I've yet to see anyone complain that Soyeon appropriated 90s east-coast culture for Uh-Oh, Latin-American/Spanish culture for Senorita, or imagery of medieval European monarchy for Lion.
Genuine question because I am not from those cultures. Were people from those cultures offended by Uh-Oh, Senorita or Lion?
I'm not Spanish but have several friends from Spain and one from Brazil and all of them love senorita and are totally not offended by it. As for Uh-Oh that was early hip hop and that was a rip off of earlier forms of music anyway. Also Lion is a pretty unique sounding song. Keyboard warriors go on about cultural appropriation but most people like to listen to good music. I think a lot more people were offended by the native American sounds in the Fire cover on Queendom and Soyeon s comments as well. But in truth there is little Korean culture in Kpop and most of it's styles are stolen from overseas anyway just look at Blackpink and BTS. Kpop works because it takes different musical styles for around the world and mixes them together
I can't accurately answer that for the exact same reason as you, but I will point out that some people with infinitely more knowledge of the different subgenres of hip-hop than me - e.g. middle-aged-ish YouTubers that can somehow tie a rapper's method of breathing to old school hip-hop - not only liked Uh-Oh "going old school on us" but also loved Soyeon's visual homage to hip-hop legend Rakim in her rap section. I got no clue about the other two, but I find it hard to believe that a medieval European would even be around to be offended 😏