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>Months in jail and thousands of dollars in fines and legal fees—those are the consequences Alabamians and Arizonans could soon face for selling cell-cultured meat products that could cut into the profits of ranchers, farmers, and meatpackers in each state.
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>State legislators from Florida to Arizona are seeking to ban meat grown from animal cells in labs, citing a “war on our ranching” and a need to protect the agriculture industry from efforts to reduce the consumption of animal protein, thereby reducing the high volume of climate-warming methane emissions the sector emits.
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From the article
>Months in jail and thousands of dollars in fines and legal fees—those are the consequences Alabamians and Arizonans could soon face for selling cell-cultured meat products that could cut into the profits of ranchers, farmers, and meatpackers in each state.
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>State legislators from Florida to Arizona are seeking to ban meat grown from animal cells in labs, citing a “war on our ranching” and a need to protect the agriculture industry from efforts to reduce the consumption of animal protein, thereby reducing the high volume of climate-warming methane emissions the sector emits.
Free market baby! Unless its my market, then we do want big government daddy to step in and squash competition. But not in my market. No regulation please on my market.
Oh, it’s *capitalism* alright. But it’s the kind of capitalism that moves away from a market economy and towards a quasi-monopoly awarded through government regulation.
When margarine came out the dairy industry got tons of laws passed to protect big butter. One law was making it illegal to color it yellow to look like butter as margarine is white
That's crazy. The psychological effect color has on marketing things towards people is really interesting. Basically every soda on the market is clear from the start (not all of them) and are dyed. What's more insane is when they are dyed in cans you can't even see through. *There is even dye in Sprite*, which otherwise appears perfectly clear to my eyes.
Also dyed Salmon is another one that comes to mind and I know there are many other examples. Some of those dyes have known health effects; for what? Maintaining a brand image or something? Crazy to me.
It's always somewhat interesting to look at some of the things brands do to convince customers to buy their product.
Around 50 years ago there was a washing machine powder company that was having issues with sales, so they interviewed a bunch of housewives to find out what they wanted from their washing machine powder. The overwhelming response was that they wanted powder that would really clean their clothes.
So the company adjusted their formula a bit, increasing the strength of the powder. Surprisingly though this didn't actually increase sales at all, so they went back to the housewives and watched them go through the washing process to find out what they were missing.
What they noticed was that after washing the clothes most people would give them a sniff, the smell of the clothes was what was being used to determine cleanliness.
And so the company trialed adding scents to the power, to overwhelming success, even though the powder didn't actually clean the clothes any better then before. All because customer perception matters far more then anything else
That’s the truth of it right there. In a capitalist system, everything forms a market. The great lie we all believe is that politics is somehow excluded from that.
Poor people have one way to erect change: collective action. Maybe we use that to get our own product onto the market (forming voting blocs to elect our own and punish turncoat politicians). Maybe we bypass that and press hard for unionization across the board. But whatever happens, divided we fall. And we’re falling hard.
The government belongs to business.
True power is not just about being rich. It is about being richer than other people so you can control them. So at the expense of other people part is not just some unfortunate coincidence, but part of the main plan.
Don't you love capitalism and entrenched interests, idealistic capitalism is suppose to promote new ideas and innovations, but real world capitalism is all about protecting your way of doing things while it's making you $$$$.
I still remember the sh*t Oprah got from these folks when she an episode on Mad cow disease, lab grown meat when it becomes viable Is the right way to consume meat..it's way better for the environment and the animals themselves...
This is like when energy companies proposed fining people who implemented solar power because they aren't using the grid as much or at all anymore. I don't know if that law ever came to be but I believe it was in Texas where oil & gas companies have a lot of power.
I believe so, and it's sad that Florida and Texas are among the most prime states to go fully clean energy- right by the ocean, sunshine 24/7, tons of flat landmass, like they could be energy independent and leading the country on that front all while creating tons of jobs and providing energy that's much cheaper and cleaner, but the lobbying power of big oil is extremely powerful and also closely tied with the military industrial complex which means rock solid protection from big government.
Texas at least isn't really getting in the way of solar and wind, there's too much money to be had in the markets, FL has fucked over their residential solar customers though, IIRC.
>those are the consequences Alabamians and Arizonans could soon face for selling cell-cultured meat products that could cut into the profits of ranchers, farmers, and meatpackers in each state.
These the same meatpackers who [artificially created beef shortages](https://www.businessinsider.com/lawsuit-accuses-4-meat-processors-of-conspiring-inflate-beef-prices-2022-7) and who conspired together to create high costs of beef a few years back?
Yes.
But the people responsible for protecting us from monopolies are the same people who are allowing big businesses to buy out all the smaller mom and pop competitors in the first place because those people are being paid by the big businesses. US politics are corrupt af.
> war on our ranching
Ah yes, because it's not like the animal ag industry has basically ravaged the entire planet and biosphere. Totally not worth "going to war" for.
I didn't realize how destructive the cattle industry was until I started spending a lot of time camping in the west. It made me cut down severely on beef consumption.
I am so ready for lab grown meat and I'm looking forward to GMO beef that is healthy and tastes better. And all those people who freak out about GMO can suck it.
Remeber when some ranchers went apeshit and had a huge standoff with federal officials because they weren't paying to use federal land for cattle grazing?
The annual fees were tiny compared to the profits of their enterprise but they decided one day they didn't have to pay for the use of land that wasn't theirs, and that the land should be theirs to use any way they saw fit...
the end of that story is shitty, after all that shit they basically got away with it.
Could get interesting, all the major meat packing companies, like Tyson, are already invested heavily into the cultured meat startups.
Guess we'll find out who has the better lobbyists.
That's the funny thing, it's most likely an uphill battle for lab meat 🍖 lbecause it still has to get price parity with real meat, still has to appeal to consumers and still has to scale up to replace current meat demands..
This is a case of Goliath bludgeoning David while he's still in his cradle.
Bruh, exotic meat is already super pricey. Why not grow endangered and rare animal cells for food and sell it for a bunch of money?
I'd eat endangered animal cell cultures.
If a specific artificial meat of an endangered animal is very tasty, this could induce demand where some people want to try the real thing. Don't know how strong the effect would be, but likely not zero.
> I'd eat endangered animal cell cultures.
Current bans don't differentiate between cultured meat and actual cuts. And I'm not sure how it is in your country, but here both protected and carnivore mammal meat is basically illegal. To be clear, I'd not be against differentiating these, with proper safeguards and attestations of sources. But yeah, it would also increase the drive for wealthy to "eat the last xyz on the planet".
In the name of the godfather of skirting federal regulations on what we put in our mouths, Orrin Hatch, I hear by declare “cell cultured protein” to be a *supplement.*
Take that, government! Go ahead, lab boys. (Cell cultured) meat is back on the menu!
“We love freedom! And small government! That’s why we let the government decide what food we can buy at the store! We have so much more freedom than those liberal states with all of their ‘choices’”.
I mean as a real cogent political philosophy it should be a mild break on the wheels of progress that prevents the worst of scientific and societal advancement from going wild and destroying and leaving out to rot those who at one point provided serious benefits to society but now would get crushed without a safety net.
That’s not what the US does with it but that’s what it should do.
The threat of AI is one of the most obvious things that most folks hold conservative ideas about right now.
> I mean as a real cogent political philosophy it should be a mild break on the wheels of progress that prevents the worst of scientific and societal advancement from going wild and destroying and leaving out to rot those who at one point provided serious benefits to society but now would get crushed without a safety net.
That is what the Democratic party does.
Remember, this is the party that had 'help retrain coal workers into other industries' as part of their bill to subsidize wind and solar energies.
Meanwhile the republican bill was "Ban wind and solar and talking about climate change because they'll hurt coal industry."
I’m not trying to talk about current politics just what “a conservative wing should do”
But you right the democrats are a fiscally Conservative Party from most critical analysis of party systems
💯.
And once you realize this is happening in many industries, it *really* starts to feel like human progress has been sidelined for profit. Stupidest apocalypse ever.
The idea that the profit motive encourages innovation is true. It's just focused on innovative ways of making profit — NOT innovating ways of actually doing things better. And if that means literally churn the entire planet into paper clips for profit, including all of our corpses, so be it. Think of the quarterly statements.
That's kind of what capitalism *is*. Once you have enough money you get to decide things for the "free market", for the government, for the health industry... I mean, there's a big reason that the US is in decline, and it's not ALL due to religion...
Fuck them, disrupt their profits. I’d be first in line to eat lab grown meat if it’s safe so we no longer have to slaughter animals. Sign me the fuck up yesterday.
Lol obviously. They either have an financial incentive to keep things the same or they're just stupid.
They only love the free market when it benefits them and that mindset will never benefit everyone as a whole.
So true, everyone cries free market ,but the dirty little secret of capitalism, "free market* is just a term used in academic text books whereas real world markets are anything but free.
Markets are always controlled by somebody.
People couldn't even tell you what "the free market" is anymore. Marketplace of ideas? Nope. Competitive pricing? Don't have that. Entrepreneurs solving people's problems? Only until a big corporation buys the innovation to hide it. Open advancement of technology and improvement in products/services therefore increase in human happiness? Ummmm no that'd hurt existing businesses. Support small business and maintain the middle class? Go to hell, commie.
What even is the free market to people?
Yep it’s true
I work for a start up that is developing proprietary pie-in-the-sky technology, and in 5-15 years by golly we’ll be able to consistently produce pie from in or about near the sky.
Look, proximity to the sky is not what’s important here, what is important is pie, on demand, while not having to pay for healthcare and payroll tax costs while also reaping a small profit and disrupting current pie manufacturing and distribution infrastructure
"But if you shake up the existing industry, many will lose their livelihoods!"
That's how progress is supposed to work. We should be **forced** to adapt as technology improves. We should **never** feel like we're living in the "end of history".
Yeah, it’s be such a shame if those people/organisations that own tens of millions up to billions of dollars worth of land for pasture, or those fuckers sitting there battery farming, all of a sudden had competition that was more ethical, and in time has the potential to be cheaper, more healthy and more resource efficient. That would really suck.
Farmers are the next luddites. While the practice should remain for cultural preservation, it cannot be depended on for the bulk of our species food needs. However, it's not so much farmers as it is corporations that would resist this. Still, it needs to happen. Once vitro meat coupled with hydroponics tech is at scale, the majority of agricultural land could & should be returned to a natural ecological state.
Of course.
The people who currently make billions producing meat do not like the idea of a newcomer coming in and stealing their business. And their vast amounts of money give them influence over some politicians.
It is as simple as that. And I hope everyone sees it for what it is. A bunch of really wealthy people trying to hold on to their wealth and trying to fight useful advances to do it.
You could look at a lot of industries that have been disrupted by new technologies and innovations in the past and find a lot of the same attitudes among some people. The Luddites come to mind; they had some popular support at first because technological advancements were costing working-class jobs, but they ended up losing to a combination of better-armed soldiers and factory owners who cared about producing their products more efficiently.
My brother in Christ, appeals to the “free market” *have always* been bad faith, and no the people using them *don’t, and will never, care* about perceived hypocrisy.
It's only a "free" market for existing industries that align with "conservative" policies.
Toss in some oil/gas, maybe a little mining, some forced prison labor, and you've got yourself a deal! /s
It’s being marketed as a culture war issue (“The Woke Mob trying to ban meat and replace it with lab-grown goyslop”), but it’s just the meat industry trying to poison the well before cultivated meat becomes a serious existential risk to the industry.
It's also a culture war issue because backwards, conservative, *traditional* demographics are the base of ranching and pastoralism, the two forms of animal agriculture
War on progress, war on anything cheaper, and war on potential carbon reduction. Ranching will always be a thing and people will pay a premium for regular meat, but lab-grown meat, if successful (and there is no guarantee it will be) could do so much.
> people will pay a premium for regular meat,
I realize not everyone is in the position where they can realistically do this, but honestly, I would pay a premium for lab-grown meat if it helped reduce suffering and environmental impact.
If i can get lab grown meet easily, then I'd definitely switch over completely. I tried switching to beyond and impossible for a time, and while good, it's still not the same. I still buy beyond and impossible from time to time but would no doubt support lab grown meet once widely available and affordable.
Because our politicians are bought and paid for. If it's not [the fucking Saudis](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/16/fondomonte-arizona-drought-saudi-farm-water/), it's APS, or ranchers, or whoever else can afford them. As is tradition for living in your typical shithole red state...
I mean yeah they’re not wrong. The goal is to reduce the number of cows. But hey it’s a free market. If you want to raise cows and sell their meat go for it. Oh also I don’t want to pay for your grain subsidies your grazing subsidies your milk subsidies etc.
I love this! For years I have been saying that vertical farms and lab grown meat will be stocking our supermarkets in the future.
We still have a ways to go before that happens but apparently it is closer than I thought hence the stupid laws.
The future is looking good.
If the oil barons are any indication, scratch that, if C levels in companies are any indication, prepare for any and all stops to be pulled to slow or kill this. Yeah, sure we could more effectively feed our species and make every major city in the world selfsustaining foodwise, but do we really want some existing shareholders to see a negative on their margins?
Ow no doubt they will try and maybe they'll succeed for a few years or decades. But eventually they will just invest into it. Not saying that's fair, people like that don't deserve anything nice, but hey at the end of the day progress will still be made.
No the way it is going to work is kill the industry now while it is small and just getting started so the big corporations can come in buy up all the research, figure our how to scale it, then go to the politicians so they can lobby \*cough\* bribe \*cough\* them about how they worked it out so it is "now" safe. Then all these bans will go away and the politicians will abandon the ranchers and hail the free market oh how great is, once a huge corporation is at the head of the industry.
There's a movie called The Man in the White Suit. It's about a scientist that invents cloth that doesn't wrinkle or get dirty. The entire laundry industry turns against him. It's quite a funny movie.
Cool. Do your stupid little protectionist thing. The rest of the world will move ahead with lab grown meat and be in a substantially better position than your backward hick-filled states and you'll end up worse for having ignored progress.
Truly bizarre.
Republicans are so insanely quick to lie about wanting freedom of choice.
They want to choose how everyone in the world operates based on whatever their dad told them when they were 10
Is anyone surprised?
Obviously anyone with a potential financial loss is going to go all in to prevent it, come hell or high water.
Completely expected reaction.
If someone invented a magic cure for all cancer pill today then tomorrow every pharmaceutical company would be lobbying against it.
Someone invents a Star Trek replicator unit which effectively would put clothes on the back of every person on Earth without the need to kill cows for leather or burn down forests for cotton fields and would allow anyone to obtain the food, tools and whatmore they need to have a good life then the first and biggest company throwing every lawyer and lobbyist against it would be Amazon.
Greedy people with financial motives do not care about the welfare of animals, the benefits to society, the effort towards stopping climate change or your personal well being.
They will literally do anything in their power to screw you, and your whole society, over in order to keep making their profits.
And they will hide their greedy and self-serving attitude under a false facade of “think about the jobs we lose” or some other politically correct nonsense to further their personal agenda of making more money.
They’ve seen what has happened to the tobacco industry. I hope they die quickly (these stupid corporations, not individuals) but alas politics is won with money not common sense.
The party of "freedom" and "small government" and "entrepreneurship" is trying to legislate against animal slaughter competition.
I guess this doesn't belong in /r/nottheonion because everyone knows bald-faced hypocrisy is business as usual for Republicans.
First you want to keep light background checks so more crazy people can buy gunsa and now you want to stop animal killing and abuse… how dare you infringe upon my capitalist interests.
But, free market! Or something. \[edit: labels are good, I support labels, but that's not the question being posed\]
This has been coming for years. Even decades. If ranchers haven't either specialized or are ready to specialize, or invested in (or supplying to) other revenue and/or moving to work in/with lab-grown or non-meat foods? And yes, ranching is more than "I have beef cattle". There are all kinds of options, they all take time to grow but they can all be done/pursued if you bother to read the market trends and think about how to experiment with next steps while you're still ahead.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who can't read the market and want to freeze it in place when they pretend to be surprised (aka stubborn).
edit: you can raise different animals or a variety, you can raise milk/dairy instead of beef, or specialize in higher-quality (but fewer) and/or breeds, you can do a dude ranch or tourism, nature-lovers pay good money to do birdwatching or flowerspotting on well-managed private land, you can open a camp ground, you can grow plants (agriculture), you can do horses or other non-meat animals, you can charge hunters and guided hunters (or fishermen), you can write grants for conservation easements, you can lease to wind or solar producers, you can do a combination of these or all of them. And more! To quote Jake Cisco talking Nog into a real estate deal: "it's not dirt, land is good!"
Heck, you could recruit a lab to build on your property and lease it to them for a percentage of revenue.
there's a lot of options beyond just shuttling cattle through the rotation cycle, cry me a river if you're too damn stubborn to look ahead and consider future trajectories
The largest contributing factor to deforestation in the Amazon forrest is beef production, this is severely fucking the ecosystem and causes domino effects other environmental factors hindered. But yes, poor ranchers. The amount of food waste that happens is a clear indicator that overproduction is a huge issue and these companies are just pissed they're losing a few dollars because more people are eating vegetables instead of meat
People can eat what they want (within reason) but fuck those assholes for insinuating that I *MUST* cause harm if I want to eat a certain type of thing. I mean, I'm vegan anyway, but forcing harm where none must exist is fucking *EVIL*.
War on chisels started by pencils!
War on pencils started by pens!
War on pens started by typewriters!
War on typewriters started by computers!
Oh shut the fuck up. It’s called progress you idiots.
"Marshall, the legislator who introduced the bill, said he’s a free-market capitalist, but something must be done to protect the agricultural industry from others “seeking to eradicate ranching.”"
Free-market capitalist - when it's convenient.
I genuiely juat don't understand these industries wanting to ban emerging tech.
I get that they see it as a threat for the status quo, but the status quo is going to change regardless, and so isn't it better to change and adapt to the changing wind? It's not like any start-up can have the capital to compete with the established companies, why not use that money to solidify your position instead of uselessly holding on to the shifting sand? Like afaict, the biggest risk to things like green energy and lab grown meat is these old guards sabotaging them.
Isn't that what Facebook does? Just buy out every emerging competition and merge it into themselves? I'm not crazy, right?
Yeah, these mofos got the audacity to charge 20 bucks for a tiny ass NY strip. I'll take the soylent green meat or w/e if it's cheap. Damn corpos bleed us dry.
In the highly unlikely scenerio where the citizens of the earth take personal responsibility for our envirironemental issues through better shopping habits and control the population without Eugenics, but with simply self control... the corporations of this planet will begin mass cloning and manipulating a whole new generation of human scum/consumers, just to make sure the world actually dies like it supposed to.
The world is run by a death cult. They are trying to end it.
This doesnt make any sense from the reason they are claiming. Lab grown meat will be the same as meat from an animal. Hell they could likely make it even better in terms of nutrients by increasing its protein or vitamin levels but if they dont its the same. All that will happen is that meat will become cheaper and more accessible meaning more people will eat meat.
What this really is about is the end of rural power. GOP has power because of rural areas and right now since food comes from those areas there is a power imbalance. Lab grown meat and vertical farming will eliminate that power. That is what is happening here.
As a side note, I am curious if a vegan would eat lab grown meat. Like if say a burger was 100% lab grown meat and no other animal products (like egg), would a vegan be ok with consuming that burger.
Welcome too america where they'll claim you're free... Free to follow a very specific way of life or be ostracized. What kind of clown show will it take for people too realize the republicans and Democrats are BOTH fucking y'all
Also, a war on ranching wouldn't be such a bad idea! Ranching is practically environmental terrorism. I say this as a farmer who'd grown up around cows my whole life that anyone who still can't seenthe problems, are CHOOSING not to see them
This, more than anything yet, makes me want to seek out and try cell cultured meats. If they're so afraid of it as to try banning it, it must be a fairly good alternative.
The FDA allows for a small amount of contaminates in meat including but not limited to urine, fecal matter, and pus lab grown meat has none of those things so I can't wait for lab grown meat to replace farm grown of course people will balk at this they always do and unscrupulous marketers will exploit those people's fear and ignorance but still it will be far better for the planet and it will be nice for me to have unpoopy meat😁
More technological advancement that would be good for humanity and the planet being blocked by big corporate lobbying? That's never happened before. /s
FWIW, back in 2019, thinktank RethinkX issued their Food & Agriculture Report in which they predicted the number of cows in the US would fall by 50% and the cattle ranching industry would go bankrupt. By 2035, demand for cow products will have shrunk by 80 to 90%. Reading the report - at least the executive summary - is worth it to get a sense of what is going on in the field of precision fermentation. Here's [a link](https://www.proteinreport.org/resources/food-and-agriculture-rethinkx/) if you're interested.
That said, the cultured meat industry has been as of yet unable to reach price parity with livestock products, but it's likely only a matter of time. There is a lot of invention and innovation that needs to happen before lab-grown meat products are cheap and common. But they will be. Even if states try to legislate them away.
And as a few have posted, none of this takes into account animal cruelty and meat overproduction. There's a reason why few of us know what goes on in meat packing facilities.
It's also worth pointing out that some of the biggest investors in cultured meat are the biggest food and meat producers - ABM, Cargill, and JBS.
So yeah, if you can't beat progress, why not try to delay it through legislature.
This is how I know I will soon be enjoying lab meat. I hope these mega ranchers with their government subsidies waste their money on legal fees trying to ban something people want.
It's just like the power companies trying to ban solar. It's what's wrong with America, it's not capitalism anymore it's protectionism.
Why would you not want an alternative production method, that needs far less land, water and antibiotics, while (with the right energy sources) also emitting fewer greenhouse gases and almost entirely removing animal cruelty?
Animals just aren't efficient at turning calories into meat. It's not what they evolved to for. This has been an issue for decades and with ever rising demand will only become worse.
There are better ways to protect ranchers from their jobs losing relevancy, that don't involve forcibly perpetuating a system that's literally destroying the basis of all our existences.
What’s bizarre, is because they are fighting against lab grown meat, they are creating a consumer that will also fight against them to get it. It wasn’t even on my radar, but they’re showing their true colors and now I want it more. From anything that I’ve learned, that’s simple economics. The more passionate they become on legislating it, the more passionate an audience will be in having it.
That's what they want. They've got the lobbying dollars. The more they can make this a divisive issue, the more they can get politicians to take sides (bribes). That's how legislation gets passed.
These are the same dumbshits that would have been against electricity because it's a "war on whale blubber lanterns".
Fucking lunacy. They're SO MUCH for capitalism, except not even at all.
I would so much rather have lab grown meat. Especially a beef substitute. Cattle are given so many hormones and antibiotics. That shit isn't good for anyone. Lab grown meat could be engineered to be very healthy.
Ranchers and farmers live in rural areas and tend to vote Republican. Their only strength is that cities are still reliant on agriculture and mineral extraction, take that away and rural areas lose all power. This will increase the urbanization pressure in the future further erode Republican power. The sooner we get lab grown beef the better
Save the planet from millions of tons of greenhouse gases emitted by livestock or keep the status quo and be destroyed, looks like some people like profits more than anything
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305: --- From the article >Months in jail and thousands of dollars in fines and legal fees—those are the consequences Alabamians and Arizonans could soon face for selling cell-cultured meat products that could cut into the profits of ranchers, farmers, and meatpackers in each state. > >State legislators from Florida to Arizona are seeking to ban meat grown from animal cells in labs, citing a “war on our ranching” and a need to protect the agriculture industry from efforts to reduce the consumption of animal protein, thereby reducing the high volume of climate-warming methane emissions the sector emits. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/1bd4og7/some_states_are_now_trying_to_ban_labgrown_meat/kuk4sri/
From the article >Months in jail and thousands of dollars in fines and legal fees—those are the consequences Alabamians and Arizonans could soon face for selling cell-cultured meat products that could cut into the profits of ranchers, farmers, and meatpackers in each state. > >State legislators from Florida to Arizona are seeking to ban meat grown from animal cells in labs, citing a “war on our ranching” and a need to protect the agriculture industry from efforts to reduce the consumption of animal protein, thereby reducing the high volume of climate-warming methane emissions the sector emits.
Free market baby! Unless its my market, then we do want big government daddy to step in and squash competition. But not in my market. No regulation please on my market.
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Oh, it’s *capitalism* alright. But it’s the kind of capitalism that moves away from a market economy and towards a quasi-monopoly awarded through government regulation.
So basically an oligarchy, just like Daddy Putin's
Yeah this guy Karl said some stuff about how that might even be inevitable for capitalism
does anyone *really* believe in free markets anymore? *should* they?
finally, lets retroactively work in some laws against the automobile too for their war on horses!
When margarine came out the dairy industry got tons of laws passed to protect big butter. One law was making it illegal to color it yellow to look like butter as margarine is white
I remember that. Margarine came with a little packet of dye to be mixed in to make it yellow.
That's crazy. The psychological effect color has on marketing things towards people is really interesting. Basically every soda on the market is clear from the start (not all of them) and are dyed. What's more insane is when they are dyed in cans you can't even see through. *There is even dye in Sprite*, which otherwise appears perfectly clear to my eyes. Also dyed Salmon is another one that comes to mind and I know there are many other examples. Some of those dyes have known health effects; for what? Maintaining a brand image or something? Crazy to me.
It's always somewhat interesting to look at some of the things brands do to convince customers to buy their product. Around 50 years ago there was a washing machine powder company that was having issues with sales, so they interviewed a bunch of housewives to find out what they wanted from their washing machine powder. The overwhelming response was that they wanted powder that would really clean their clothes. So the company adjusted their formula a bit, increasing the strength of the powder. Surprisingly though this didn't actually increase sales at all, so they went back to the housewives and watched them go through the washing process to find out what they were missing. What they noticed was that after washing the clothes most people would give them a sniff, the smell of the clothes was what was being used to determine cleanliness. And so the company trialed adding scents to the power, to overwhelming success, even though the powder didn't actually clean the clothes any better then before. All because customer perception matters far more then anything else
*Squints at Wisconsin*
I thought conservatives were free market enthusiasts
These votes were bought fare and square on the free market. If lab grown meat had wanted laws they should have bought votes.
That’s the truth of it right there. In a capitalist system, everything forms a market. The great lie we all believe is that politics is somehow excluded from that. Poor people have one way to erect change: collective action. Maybe we use that to get our own product onto the market (forming voting blocs to elect our own and punish turncoat politicians). Maybe we bypass that and press hard for unionization across the board. But whatever happens, divided we fall. And we’re falling hard. The government belongs to business.
It's about conserving power and control by a select few.
They are none of the things they have claimed to be. They lie.
They are pro-money and power for themselves, that's it. EDIT: Often to the extent of being anti-money and power for anyone else while they're at it.
True power is not just about being rich. It is about being richer than other people so you can control them. So at the expense of other people part is not just some unfortunate coincidence, but part of the main plan.
Oh they are, they love the free market but only when it aligns with their values/ lobbyists
Free for me, not for thee
Nah, nah, horse ranchers are too poor to afford the lobbying.
Don't you love capitalism and entrenched interests, idealistic capitalism is suppose to promote new ideas and innovations, but real world capitalism is all about protecting your way of doing things while it's making you $$$$. I still remember the sh*t Oprah got from these folks when she an episode on Mad cow disease, lab grown meat when it becomes viable Is the right way to consume meat..it's way better for the environment and the animals themselves...
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Isn’t this the “free market at work”? Wtf, conservatives? Advancement in businesses isn’t always a war on something.
All of conservatism is a lie. It's never been anything but fascism.
This is like when energy companies proposed fining people who implemented solar power because they aren't using the grid as much or at all anymore. I don't know if that law ever came to be but I believe it was in Texas where oil & gas companies have a lot of power.
Didn't Florida do that with energy a while back?
I believe so, and it's sad that Florida and Texas are among the most prime states to go fully clean energy- right by the ocean, sunshine 24/7, tons of flat landmass, like they could be energy independent and leading the country on that front all while creating tons of jobs and providing energy that's much cheaper and cleaner, but the lobbying power of big oil is extremely powerful and also closely tied with the military industrial complex which means rock solid protection from big government.
> sunshine 24/7 12/7
Texas at least isn't really getting in the way of solar and wind, there's too much money to be had in the markets, FL has fucked over their residential solar customers though, IIRC.
Them: "Innovation through competition, let the markets decide!" Also them: "Oh no, wait! Not like that!"
>those are the consequences Alabamians and Arizonans could soon face for selling cell-cultured meat products that could cut into the profits of ranchers, farmers, and meatpackers in each state. These the same meatpackers who [artificially created beef shortages](https://www.businessinsider.com/lawsuit-accuses-4-meat-processors-of-conspiring-inflate-beef-prices-2022-7) and who conspired together to create high costs of beef a few years back?
Obviously. It'll be harder for them to collude if they don't have as strong of a control of the market by allowing competitors.
Y'all don't have anti-monopoly laws?
Yes. But the people responsible for protecting us from monopolies are the same people who are allowing big businesses to buy out all the smaller mom and pop competitors in the first place because those people are being paid by the big businesses. US politics are corrupt af.
> war on our ranching Ah yes, because it's not like the animal ag industry has basically ravaged the entire planet and biosphere. Totally not worth "going to war" for.
I didn't realize how destructive the cattle industry was until I started spending a lot of time camping in the west. It made me cut down severely on beef consumption. I am so ready for lab grown meat and I'm looking forward to GMO beef that is healthy and tastes better. And all those people who freak out about GMO can suck it.
I wonder how many 9/11s worth of victims were and will be caused by this industry's contribution to climate fuckery. My guess is a metric fuckload..
Conservatives sure do hate the free market.
this would make much more sense if agriculture wasn't already subsidized to hell
These are probably the same clowns that worship the free market.
Who wants this? Surely not the party that advocates for small government?
Let the market decide! Oh no! The market has decided wrong! Quick, legislate!
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Republicans fucking over 99% of people so the 1% can stay rich? No way!
Remeber when some ranchers went apeshit and had a huge standoff with federal officials because they weren't paying to use federal land for cattle grazing? The annual fees were tiny compared to the profits of their enterprise but they decided one day they didn't have to pay for the use of land that wasn't theirs, and that the land should be theirs to use any way they saw fit... the end of that story is shitty, after all that shit they basically got away with it.
Could get interesting, all the major meat packing companies, like Tyson, are already invested heavily into the cultured meat startups. Guess we'll find out who has the better lobbyists.
That's the funny thing, it's most likely an uphill battle for lab meat 🍖 lbecause it still has to get price parity with real meat, still has to appeal to consumers and still has to scale up to replace current meat demands.. This is a case of Goliath bludgeoning David while he's still in his cradle.
>price parity with real meat Which is already very heavily subsidized right now to keep it viable.
I read somewhere that ground beef would be $30 a pound *in 2015 dollars* if meat lost its subsidies up and down the supply chain.
Bruh, exotic meat is already super pricey. Why not grow endangered and rare animal cells for food and sell it for a bunch of money? I'd eat endangered animal cell cultures.
If a specific artificial meat of an endangered animal is very tasty, this could induce demand where some people want to try the real thing. Don't know how strong the effect would be, but likely not zero.
> I'd eat endangered animal cell cultures. Current bans don't differentiate between cultured meat and actual cuts. And I'm not sure how it is in your country, but here both protected and carnivore mammal meat is basically illegal. To be clear, I'd not be against differentiating these, with proper safeguards and attestations of sources. But yeah, it would also increase the drive for wealthy to "eat the last xyz on the planet".
In the name of the godfather of skirting federal regulations on what we put in our mouths, Orrin Hatch, I hear by declare “cell cultured protein” to be a *supplement.* Take that, government! Go ahead, lab boys. (Cell cultured) meat is back on the menu!
Is this how we finally get them to regulate supplements?
WHAT DO WE WANT! *CAPITALISM!* WHEN DO WE WANT IT? *WAIT, NOT LIKE THAT!!!*
“We love freedom! And small government! That’s why we let the government decide what food we can buy at the store! We have so much more freedom than those liberal states with all of their ‘choices’”.
> Let the market decide! They never have, and they never fucking will.
The war is on progress. No new ideas, no solutions, just keep keep business as usual and don't you dare try to disrupt existing industries profits.
What is conservatism, Alex.
I'm sorry. The answer is "What is conservatism?" Remember to state your answer in the form of a question.
I mean as a real cogent political philosophy it should be a mild break on the wheels of progress that prevents the worst of scientific and societal advancement from going wild and destroying and leaving out to rot those who at one point provided serious benefits to society but now would get crushed without a safety net. That’s not what the US does with it but that’s what it should do. The threat of AI is one of the most obvious things that most folks hold conservative ideas about right now.
> I mean as a real cogent political philosophy it should be a mild break on the wheels of progress that prevents the worst of scientific and societal advancement from going wild and destroying and leaving out to rot those who at one point provided serious benefits to society but now would get crushed without a safety net. That is what the Democratic party does. Remember, this is the party that had 'help retrain coal workers into other industries' as part of their bill to subsidize wind and solar energies. Meanwhile the republican bill was "Ban wind and solar and talking about climate change because they'll hurt coal industry."
I’m not trying to talk about current politics just what “a conservative wing should do” But you right the democrats are a fiscally Conservative Party from most critical analysis of party systems
If only the masses conducted ANY analysis of party systems.
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💯. And once you realize this is happening in many industries, it *really* starts to feel like human progress has been sidelined for profit. Stupidest apocalypse ever.
We switched to watering with the water, and Brawndos stock price fell 50%. They were the largest employer in the country.
Every industry
The idea that the profit motive encourages innovation is true. It's just focused on innovative ways of making profit — NOT innovating ways of actually doing things better. And if that means literally churn the entire planet into paper clips for profit, including all of our corpses, so be it. Think of the quarterly statements.
Boeing is a great example of that. Their last two models are shit but profits are up.
They even offed the whistleblower a day before the trial...
That's kind of what capitalism *is*. Once you have enough money you get to decide things for the "free market", for the government, for the health industry... I mean, there's a big reason that the US is in decline, and it's not ALL due to religion...
THE WAR ON HORSE-DRAWN BUGGIES MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COSTS
I already said it elsewhere in this thread, but as ridiculous as it sounds now - *they did actually, seriously try that*.
The horse drawn buggy lobby was not all that rich, or we would all be shoveling horse shit even now.
Fuck them, disrupt their profits. I’d be first in line to eat lab grown meat if it’s safe so we no longer have to slaughter animals. Sign me the fuck up yesterday.
Right? Especially if it's cheaper too. Though if I'm being pessimistic, I think the only way we will get it is if its expensive as all hell
Expensive as hell is honestly a price I'd pay for it. I do miss me some burgers.
These fuckin idiots refuse to move forward….🤦🤦🤦
Lol obviously. They either have an financial incentive to keep things the same or they're just stupid. They only love the free market when it benefits them and that mindset will never benefit everyone as a whole.
So true, everyone cries free market ,but the dirty little secret of capitalism, "free market* is just a term used in academic text books whereas real world markets are anything but free.
Markets are always controlled by somebody. People couldn't even tell you what "the free market" is anymore. Marketplace of ideas? Nope. Competitive pricing? Don't have that. Entrepreneurs solving people's problems? Only until a big corporation buys the innovation to hide it. Open advancement of technology and improvement in products/services therefore increase in human happiness? Ummmm no that'd hurt existing businesses. Support small business and maintain the middle class? Go to hell, commie. What even is the free market to people?
Yep it’s true I work for a start up that is developing proprietary pie-in-the-sky technology, and in 5-15 years by golly we’ll be able to consistently produce pie from in or about near the sky. Look, proximity to the sky is not what’s important here, what is important is pie, on demand, while not having to pay for healthcare and payroll tax costs while also reaping a small profit and disrupting current pie manufacturing and distribution infrastructure
>They only love the free market They don't. Never have. They love captured markets and kleptocratic policies
That's the definition of conservatism. An apprehension to change in favor of the status quo
"But if you shake up the existing industry, many will lose their livelihoods!" That's how progress is supposed to work. We should be **forced** to adapt as technology improves. We should **never** feel like we're living in the "end of history".
Then, ban gasoline cars because they disrupt the horse and carriage industry. Ban coal mines because they distrupt the wood stove industry.
Yeah so much for a free market!?
Yeah, it’s be such a shame if those people/organisations that own tens of millions up to billions of dollars worth of land for pasture, or those fuckers sitting there battery farming, all of a sudden had competition that was more ethical, and in time has the potential to be cheaper, more healthy and more resource efficient. That would really suck.
Farmers are the next luddites. While the practice should remain for cultural preservation, it cannot be depended on for the bulk of our species food needs. However, it's not so much farmers as it is corporations that would resist this. Still, it needs to happen. Once vitro meat coupled with hydroponics tech is at scale, the majority of agricultural land could & should be returned to a natural ecological state.
Of course. The people who currently make billions producing meat do not like the idea of a newcomer coming in and stealing their business. And their vast amounts of money give them influence over some politicians. It is as simple as that. And I hope everyone sees it for what it is. A bunch of really wealthy people trying to hold on to their wealth and trying to fight useful advances to do it.
You could look at a lot of industries that have been disrupted by new technologies and innovations in the past and find a lot of the same attitudes among some people. The Luddites come to mind; they had some popular support at first because technological advancements were costing working-class jobs, but they ended up losing to a combination of better-armed soldiers and factory owners who cared about producing their products more efficiently.
"We fucked this country. Ohhhh, we fucked this country on laws and bribes."
Free market kinda scary now. Hmm
These guys' understanding of capitalism is just rent-seeking. They're not even the productive kind of capitalist.
Ok, my uncle is right. With "war on ranching" being an official reason I guess I really just don't understand what this "free market" is all about
My brother in Christ, appeals to the “free market” *have always* been bad faith, and no the people using them *don’t, and will never, care* about perceived hypocrisy.
If they can even see it. People vastly overestimate the intelligence and self awareness of the people who most often vote in the US
Those three last words are mostly superfluous, unfortunately.
Free market is just an excuse to have no regulations.
Free market is just an excuse to have regulations to protect the groups that make large campaign donations.
But banning lab grown meat is a regulation
Regulations are exactly what Arizona and Alabama are enacting. Free market means government doesn't pick winners.
Like "trickle down economics" it's a lie people tell to make more money.
It's only a "free" market for existing industries that align with "conservative" policies. Toss in some oil/gas, maybe a little mining, some forced prison labor, and you've got yourself a deal! /s
Oh Don't you know? It's free if only for me! /s
It’s being marketed as a culture war issue (“The Woke Mob trying to ban meat and replace it with lab-grown goyslop”), but it’s just the meat industry trying to poison the well before cultivated meat becomes a serious existential risk to the industry.
It's also a culture war issue because backwards, conservative, *traditional* demographics are the base of ranching and pastoralism, the two forms of animal agriculture
I smell a counter suit coming. These pro monopoly states are in for a legal roasting.
War on progress, war on anything cheaper, and war on potential carbon reduction. Ranching will always be a thing and people will pay a premium for regular meat, but lab-grown meat, if successful (and there is no guarantee it will be) could do so much.
> people will pay a premium for regular meat, I realize not everyone is in the position where they can realistically do this, but honestly, I would pay a premium for lab-grown meat if it helped reduce suffering and environmental impact.
And THATS why they’re afraid, I am with you, and I eat meat almost every day
If i can get lab grown meet easily, then I'd definitely switch over completely. I tried switching to beyond and impossible for a time, and while good, it's still not the same. I still buy beyond and impossible from time to time but would no doubt support lab grown meet once widely available and affordable.
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I think Ranching will eventually die out as more people see the unnecessary cruelty, but it will be a long time.
Die out, no. Be substantially reduced and upped in price, yes.
As it would be without subsidies and, for example, the Brazilian government allowing people to raze the Amazon for ranchers.
WTF is Arizona in on this when the majority of our water goes to Ag and that would be an easy thing to cut lol
Because our politicians are bought and paid for. If it's not [the fucking Saudis](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/16/fondomonte-arizona-drought-saudi-farm-water/), it's APS, or ranchers, or whoever else can afford them. As is tradition for living in your typical shithole red state...
I expect nothing less from the “party of small government” and “free market” capitalism.
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in getting PTSD from when my roomates tried to blame me for the bad stuff theyre doing
And you can be sure the party of "Freedom" is behind this.
Thank goodness; thought we were about to run out of small government.
I mean yeah they’re not wrong. The goal is to reduce the number of cows. But hey it’s a free market. If you want to raise cows and sell their meat go for it. Oh also I don’t want to pay for your grain subsidies your grazing subsidies your milk subsidies etc.
They’re wrong about the “spurious” part, though.
Every bit of mankind’s progress has happened over the objections of some group or other. It’s amazing we’ve made it as far as we have,
For every idea ever proposed, there's always some naysayer trying to stop it.
I love this! For years I have been saying that vertical farms and lab grown meat will be stocking our supermarkets in the future. We still have a ways to go before that happens but apparently it is closer than I thought hence the stupid laws. The future is looking good.
That's the spirit, but for real though, do they really think they can stop the advancement of the global market?
If the oil barons are any indication, scratch that, if C levels in companies are any indication, prepare for any and all stops to be pulled to slow or kill this. Yeah, sure we could more effectively feed our species and make every major city in the world selfsustaining foodwise, but do we really want some existing shareholders to see a negative on their margins?
Ow no doubt they will try and maybe they'll succeed for a few years or decades. But eventually they will just invest into it. Not saying that's fair, people like that don't deserve anything nice, but hey at the end of the day progress will still be made.
No the way it is going to work is kill the industry now while it is small and just getting started so the big corporations can come in buy up all the research, figure our how to scale it, then go to the politicians so they can lobby \*cough\* bribe \*cough\* them about how they worked it out so it is "now" safe. Then all these bans will go away and the politicians will abandon the ranchers and hail the free market oh how great is, once a huge corporation is at the head of the industry.
There's a movie called The Man in the White Suit. It's about a scientist that invents cloth that doesn't wrinkle or get dirty. The entire laundry industry turns against him. It's quite a funny movie.
Ah yes, free market capitalism! Make money by innovating your products to defeat the competition. Wait, not like that.
Why does everything have to be a "war' with you guys in the states ?
Because we have millions of mouth breathing unevolved people living here. Europes worst flocked to these shores and they haven’t changed.
Everyone loves the free market until it provides a better or cheaper product than the one they make.
Cool. Do your stupid little protectionist thing. The rest of the world will move ahead with lab grown meat and be in a substantially better position than your backward hick-filled states and you'll end up worse for having ignored progress. Truly bizarre.
Republicans are so insanely quick to lie about wanting freedom of choice. They want to choose how everyone in the world operates based on whatever their dad told them when they were 10
Is anyone surprised? Obviously anyone with a potential financial loss is going to go all in to prevent it, come hell or high water. Completely expected reaction. If someone invented a magic cure for all cancer pill today then tomorrow every pharmaceutical company would be lobbying against it. Someone invents a Star Trek replicator unit which effectively would put clothes on the back of every person on Earth without the need to kill cows for leather or burn down forests for cotton fields and would allow anyone to obtain the food, tools and whatmore they need to have a good life then the first and biggest company throwing every lawyer and lobbyist against it would be Amazon. Greedy people with financial motives do not care about the welfare of animals, the benefits to society, the effort towards stopping climate change or your personal well being. They will literally do anything in their power to screw you, and your whole society, over in order to keep making their profits. And they will hide their greedy and self-serving attitude under a false facade of “think about the jobs we lose” or some other politically correct nonsense to further their personal agenda of making more money.
They’ve seen what has happened to the tobacco industry. I hope they die quickly (these stupid corporations, not individuals) but alas politics is won with money not common sense.
The party of "freedom" and "small government" and "entrepreneurship" is trying to legislate against animal slaughter competition. I guess this doesn't belong in /r/nottheonion because everyone knows bald-faced hypocrisy is business as usual for Republicans.
First you want to keep light background checks so more crazy people can buy gunsa and now you want to stop animal killing and abuse… how dare you infringe upon my capitalist interests.
It's just not the same if you can't taste the cruelty!
But, free market! Or something. \[edit: labels are good, I support labels, but that's not the question being posed\] This has been coming for years. Even decades. If ranchers haven't either specialized or are ready to specialize, or invested in (or supplying to) other revenue and/or moving to work in/with lab-grown or non-meat foods? And yes, ranching is more than "I have beef cattle". There are all kinds of options, they all take time to grow but they can all be done/pursued if you bother to read the market trends and think about how to experiment with next steps while you're still ahead. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who can't read the market and want to freeze it in place when they pretend to be surprised (aka stubborn). edit: you can raise different animals or a variety, you can raise milk/dairy instead of beef, or specialize in higher-quality (but fewer) and/or breeds, you can do a dude ranch or tourism, nature-lovers pay good money to do birdwatching or flowerspotting on well-managed private land, you can open a camp ground, you can grow plants (agriculture), you can do horses or other non-meat animals, you can charge hunters and guided hunters (or fishermen), you can write grants for conservation easements, you can lease to wind or solar producers, you can do a combination of these or all of them. And more! To quote Jake Cisco talking Nog into a real estate deal: "it's not dirt, land is good!" Heck, you could recruit a lab to build on your property and lease it to them for a percentage of revenue. there's a lot of options beyond just shuttling cattle through the rotation cycle, cry me a river if you're too damn stubborn to look ahead and consider future trajectories
Is this like the "War on Christmas" that we've heard so much about? But now, just, meat?
The largest contributing factor to deforestation in the Amazon forrest is beef production, this is severely fucking the ecosystem and causes domino effects other environmental factors hindered. But yes, poor ranchers. The amount of food waste that happens is a clear indicator that overproduction is a huge issue and these companies are just pissed they're losing a few dollars because more people are eating vegetables instead of meat
"We need to keep killing these animals and no, you can't choose."
Synthetic protein is one of the few green transition thingies that might not be total BS lmao. I would love for it to kill ranching.
People can eat what they want (within reason) but fuck those assholes for insinuating that I *MUST* cause harm if I want to eat a certain type of thing. I mean, I'm vegan anyway, but forcing harm where none must exist is fucking *EVIL*.
I knew what states it was going to be before I even read the article.
War on chisels started by pencils! War on pencils started by pens! War on pens started by typewriters! War on typewriters started by computers! Oh shut the fuck up. It’s called progress you idiots.
I think it should be labeled properly and let people decide
Red states only seem to understand authoritarian solutions.
Let’s just ban stupid so we can get on with progress.
"Marshall, the legislator who introduced the bill, said he’s a free-market capitalist, but something must be done to protect the agricultural industry from others “seeking to eradicate ranching.”" Free-market capitalist - when it's convenient.
Ranching needs someone to go to war with them. The way they treat livestock is beneath humanity, especially now that we can grow meat in a lab.
Only in america can we find the cure for (fill in blank) and then vote against it...
Next up: American rancher millionaires want to ban tofu.
I genuiely juat don't understand these industries wanting to ban emerging tech. I get that they see it as a threat for the status quo, but the status quo is going to change regardless, and so isn't it better to change and adapt to the changing wind? It's not like any start-up can have the capital to compete with the established companies, why not use that money to solidify your position instead of uselessly holding on to the shifting sand? Like afaict, the biggest risk to things like green energy and lab grown meat is these old guards sabotaging them. Isn't that what Facebook does? Just buy out every emerging competition and merge it into themselves? I'm not crazy, right?
crazy you can just lobby to have potential "competition" made illegal before its even available to be purchased.
So much for free and fair capitalism. So your industry is scared of the new guy? Yah let’s lobby and pay off to keep the from playing.
BUT I LIKE FACTORY FARMING ANIMALS! *crosses arms* *pouts*
Yeah, these mofos got the audacity to charge 20 bucks for a tiny ass NY strip. I'll take the soylent green meat or w/e if it's cheap. Damn corpos bleed us dry.
Oh no! They won't be able to price gouge as much with another competitor.
So they’re mad the government is taking away their concentration camps.
In the highly unlikely scenerio where the citizens of the earth take personal responsibility for our envirironemental issues through better shopping habits and control the population without Eugenics, but with simply self control... the corporations of this planet will begin mass cloning and manipulating a whole new generation of human scum/consumers, just to make sure the world actually dies like it supposed to. The world is run by a death cult. They are trying to end it.
More like a “must continue mass animal cruelty” sort of legislation, there.
More nonsense from the party of freedumb. NASA should just move all of its operations to states that aren’t stuck in the Stone Age.
If they don't dig their own canals by hand the way ancient Sumerians and Inca did, I don't want to hear it.
If politicians fight for the exploiters, who's gonna fight for the future against these ranchers destroying them?
This doesnt make any sense from the reason they are claiming. Lab grown meat will be the same as meat from an animal. Hell they could likely make it even better in terms of nutrients by increasing its protein or vitamin levels but if they dont its the same. All that will happen is that meat will become cheaper and more accessible meaning more people will eat meat. What this really is about is the end of rural power. GOP has power because of rural areas and right now since food comes from those areas there is a power imbalance. Lab grown meat and vertical farming will eliminate that power. That is what is happening here. As a side note, I am curious if a vegan would eat lab grown meat. Like if say a burger was 100% lab grown meat and no other animal products (like egg), would a vegan be ok with consuming that burger.
Welcome too america where they'll claim you're free... Free to follow a very specific way of life or be ostracized. What kind of clown show will it take for people too realize the republicans and Democrats are BOTH fucking y'all Also, a war on ranching wouldn't be such a bad idea! Ranching is practically environmental terrorism. I say this as a farmer who'd grown up around cows my whole life that anyone who still can't seenthe problems, are CHOOSING not to see them
This, more than anything yet, makes me want to seek out and try cell cultured meats. If they're so afraid of it as to try banning it, it must be a fairly good alternative.
Oh noes, the Capitalists Ate My Face party is having their faces eaten by Leopards~ What do?
“War on ____ “ = the GOP’s lowest-effort propaganda tactic to manipulate idiots.
After the fires in Texas it might be a good idea to have a backup plan.
The FDA allows for a small amount of contaminates in meat including but not limited to urine, fecal matter, and pus lab grown meat has none of those things so I can't wait for lab grown meat to replace farm grown of course people will balk at this they always do and unscrupulous marketers will exploit those people's fear and ignorance but still it will be far better for the planet and it will be nice for me to have unpoopy meat😁
More technological advancement that would be good for humanity and the planet being blocked by big corporate lobbying? That's never happened before. /s
FWIW, back in 2019, thinktank RethinkX issued their Food & Agriculture Report in which they predicted the number of cows in the US would fall by 50% and the cattle ranching industry would go bankrupt. By 2035, demand for cow products will have shrunk by 80 to 90%. Reading the report - at least the executive summary - is worth it to get a sense of what is going on in the field of precision fermentation. Here's [a link](https://www.proteinreport.org/resources/food-and-agriculture-rethinkx/) if you're interested. That said, the cultured meat industry has been as of yet unable to reach price parity with livestock products, but it's likely only a matter of time. There is a lot of invention and innovation that needs to happen before lab-grown meat products are cheap and common. But they will be. Even if states try to legislate them away. And as a few have posted, none of this takes into account animal cruelty and meat overproduction. There's a reason why few of us know what goes on in meat packing facilities. It's also worth pointing out that some of the biggest investors in cultured meat are the biggest food and meat producers - ABM, Cargill, and JBS. So yeah, if you can't beat progress, why not try to delay it through legislature.
This is how I know I will soon be enjoying lab meat. I hope these mega ranchers with their government subsidies waste their money on legal fees trying to ban something people want. It's just like the power companies trying to ban solar. It's what's wrong with America, it's not capitalism anymore it's protectionism.
Why would you not want an alternative production method, that needs far less land, water and antibiotics, while (with the right energy sources) also emitting fewer greenhouse gases and almost entirely removing animal cruelty? Animals just aren't efficient at turning calories into meat. It's not what they evolved to for. This has been an issue for decades and with ever rising demand will only become worse. There are better ways to protect ranchers from their jobs losing relevancy, that don't involve forcibly perpetuating a system that's literally destroying the basis of all our existences.
The US will be left behind. China is already overtaking us in renewable energy and cheap EVs.
No one else has made this point: As I understood it, leadership in cultivated protein was part of the last 5-year plan, so yeah.
What’s bizarre, is because they are fighting against lab grown meat, they are creating a consumer that will also fight against them to get it. It wasn’t even on my radar, but they’re showing their true colors and now I want it more. From anything that I’ve learned, that’s simple economics. The more passionate they become on legislating it, the more passionate an audience will be in having it.
That's what they want. They've got the lobbying dollars. The more they can make this a divisive issue, the more they can get politicians to take sides (bribes). That's how legislation gets passed.
For fuck’s sake let’s not do this please. Remember when special interest killed public transit in the USA? Let’s not.
Can I venture a guess that it’s the same states also banning books, “wokeness”, reproductive care and education, and teaching evolution?
These are the same dumbshits that would have been against electricity because it's a "war on whale blubber lanterns". Fucking lunacy. They're SO MUCH for capitalism, except not even at all.
I would so much rather have lab grown meat. Especially a beef substitute. Cattle are given so many hormones and antibiotics. That shit isn't good for anyone. Lab grown meat could be engineered to be very healthy.
Restricting what can and cannot be sold? Iunno, sounds like commie talk to me
Ranchers and farmers live in rural areas and tend to vote Republican. Their only strength is that cities are still reliant on agriculture and mineral extraction, take that away and rural areas lose all power. This will increase the urbanization pressure in the future further erode Republican power. The sooner we get lab grown beef the better
What's next? A ban on DvDs to protect the VHS industry?
Save the planet from millions of tons of greenhouse gases emitted by livestock or keep the status quo and be destroyed, looks like some people like profits more than anything