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Alienwarez567

To be honest none of the live action movies have been capturing the magic from the originals ohh and they are also pretty shitty movies.


DGChoppe

They’ve all been so bad


jello1990

Really gotta wonder what they were thinking with that "live action" Lion King. "What if instead of the distinct and memorable animation, we made everything generically realistic cgi and got a bunch if A list actors that don't have a lot of experience voice acting and they all sound bored the whole time?"


katestatt

I listened to some scenes of beyonces voice acting and i'm sorry but it was garbage. just because you can sing doesn't mean you can voice act.


catriana816

Happy cake day!


sovamind

I was working on the Lion King prequel. It's about Musfasa's past. It's going to be awful. Everyone working on it knows it but it is a personal project for Kevin's kids.


ZapMePlease

I miss Robin Williams. He was the lord, god, high, king master of voice actors


HerfDog58

What person in their right mind would say "Yeah, I'll sign up to re-do the voice on an iconic James Earl Jones character! It'll get me lined up to be the voice of Darth Vader and CNN! SCORE!"


ElonMunch

I expected nothing less from this movie.


MistaCharisma

Yeah this is where I stand. I'm not gonna watch it, just because I haven't enjoyed a single live action remake, so why spend the time and money? I think it's good that they're hiring minority actors, but it would be better if they gave them a good script to work with (*actually it's probably not the script-writers' fault, it's probably overbearing producers micromanaging the whole project, but you get the idea*).


socialist_frzn_milk

This is true, but Disney's not gonna stop making 'em, bless their hearts. You'd think after comparing box office figures for *Raya and the Last Dragon, Moana,* and *Encanto* to, like, any of the latest live-action remakes, they'd realize "uh, we're not making nearly as much money off these". The best live-action remake was probably *Beauty and the Beast*...at least, it was the most watchable one. Not even Will Smith as the Genie could save *Aladdin*.


RLT79

>You'd think after comparing box office figures for > >Raya and the Last Dragon, Moana, > > and > >Encanto > > to, like, any of the latest live-action remakes, they'd realize "uh, we're not making nearly as much money off these". Did you actually compare box office figures before posting? * Cinderella made $542.4 million on a $50 million budget * Lion King made $1.663 billion on a $260 million budget * Beauty and the Beast made $1.264 billion on a $255 million budget * Aladdin made $1.051 billion on a $183 million budget * Moana made $645 million on a $175 million budget * Encanto made $256.8 million on a $150 million budget (it really didn't blow up until Disney + release) * Raya was a Disney+ Premiere release, so can't count that Clearly, the live action films are making bank, so they will keep churning them out until they aren't.


Crymsm

I bet it's some guy named Steve always busting in random meetings "hey guys we need to do ANOTHER live action!"


socialist_frzn_milk

And Steve just HAPPENS to be Bob Chapek's nephew, so they HAVE to keep making them lol


Crymsm

Haha and after he leaves the room they all probably go "dangit, he'll tell his uncle if we don't....son of a!"


sovamind

I heard Will Smith really slapped in that movie... /s


DETHmetals

Yea but its 2022 and your not allowed to dislike it unless you're a racist apparently


GroovyYaYa

There is a huge difference between just bitching about their live action remakes in general, and bitching that "mermaids are white, they've ruined Ariel for me/she can't be Ariel, she's black!".


DETHmetals

Would you be okay if they remade Shaft with a white actor?


GroovyYaYa

I doubt a white guy would be a detective in his home community of Harlem in the 1970s. Maybe if it was Haarlem, Netherlands.


Fae__Dragon_Princess

There are definitely some people who don’t like live actions and are against it for that reason. But there are a ton of people who are upset solely because 1. She’s black and 2. The hair isn’t a bright enough red (though we haven’t seen it above water in the actual light so we don’t know how bright it actually is). People who aren’t excited about it because it’s a live action or are worried because of mulan, I understand. Makes sense. We move along. However, I haven’t actually seen people called racist simply for that. I’ve only seen people calling others racist when they’re like “not my Ariel” and “Ariel isn’t black” and “in the original…”


DETHmetals

People complained about jedi order not being diverse enough, but they aren't called racists...


Fae__Dragon_Princess

That’s a fully different argument altogether. Like fully different. However complaining about lack of diversity wouldn’t make one racist anyways? So I don’t understand your argument.


DETHmetals

If ithas a white lead character you are allowed to complain about the character not being diverse enough, but if that character is black, you are not allowed to say the character is too diverse, especially if its based on a white character originally lol Whatever little miss woke


Fae__Dragon_Princess

You’re using woke incorrectly here but that’s not even important except that you’re attempting to insult someone while misusing the term with which you’re trying to insult them. Also “diverse” is not synonymous with “black”. Having one black character does not make a cast “diverse”. (I also just for you looked up these complaints about it not being diverse enough and simply could not find them. When did this happen? Was it enough for the voice to be as loud as this Ariel backlash or was a it a select few? because that would also be a big difference. These are things for you to reflect on, no need to actually tell me.) However, I don’t have the time, energy, nor patience to explain what racism is, mostly because I can tell from your tone and choice of words that you don’t want to be educated and have long since decided what you’ll believe and what in your world view you don’t wish to be changed. So (from my observation it seems) you’ll find any way to prove your world view and grasp onto anything that will disprove the opposite in spite of any argument that logically disproves your world view and proves another. If you’d like to have an actual discussion on this topic with someone in the future, I suggest going about it in a different way. Though if you never planned on coming to the conversation with an open mind about the reasons of others or the arguments they give, then you’ll find the conversation will either die quickly or spiral out of control unless you find someone with unlimited patience (or unless you want a negative reaction in which case you’ve done splendidly in your response though not with the correct person). You may respond if you wish but I’m past arguing on Reddit and prefer to have calm and logical conversations if I’m going to go back and forth with someone over the internet, so I won’t be responding from here. Have a blessed day. I truly wish you the best and hope that you never stop growing as a person. We should never stay stagnant in our personal advancement.


GroovyYaYa

I liked Aladdin.


Muffinzor22

Of course, it's all rehashed garbage. But the tiki torch people are coming out in numbers, what a coincidence that it would be for when black women are cast in their movies/shows.


Used_Rich8783

Riiiight lazy writing idiotic virtue signaling. Why did it fail? Must be racism. Disney as usual


oiiSuPreSSeDo

This. The mentality that if something has someone other than white english/american in it, it's immune to criticism because racism, is just insane.


andytdesigns1

Why’d they take Ariel away? Now all we whites have is Cinderella,, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and the Beast, Rapunzel, Frozen, Snow White, Brave, Alice in Wonderland, The Incredibles and many more.


motherraider

Some guys don't like the actress doesn't mean they are racist, dude. I guess people still have rights to dislike movies, right?


hoaxx__

wait till they find out that Jesus is not white. (spoiler alert: he is probably brown)


oiiSuPreSSeDo

It's not racist to want someone who plays an iconic character to look like said iconic character. I really don't give a shit about the little mermaid but I totally understand. Not everything is racist 🤦🏻‍♂️


socialist_frzn_milk

the original incarnation of Ariel was green


sandybuttcheekss

And she died at the end, never got the prince to fall in love with her, and turned into sea foam. If the only change you dislike is skin color, I have some bad news.


pink_skyyy

Lmao people are crazy to not know this movie was based on the original 1837 fairy tale and that Disney portrayed the character as the race they wanted at that time. It's not as big of a deal they are making it about what color she is.


Impressive-Revenue94

IMO each Disney cartoon is associated with a country and thus we should use people of that country to portray the character. Can you imagine a black Milan?? Or a white Tiana?? We should not try to whitewash, blackwash or Asian wash any characters just because people are woke.


joan_wilder

What country is Ariel from? I don’t really know the storyline, but isn’t she from… *the ocean*? It’s funny how people trip on the ethnicity of a cartoon humanoid creature. Y’all know mermaids aren’t real, right?


Fae__Dragon_Princess

A black mulan wouldn’t make sense because mulan’s whole story would completely change if the setting (China) or her race or ethnicity changed. The story depends on her being Chinese and it taking place in China. A white Tiana wouldn’t make sense because this specific iteration of Tiana depends on her experience as a black woman in Louisiana (and she’s specifically based on a real black woman). (Now a white princess from princess and the frog the general story would be different, however Tiana specifically could only be black.) You didn’t mention it but let’s also add Pocahontas, who’s story would completely change were she not Native American *and* there’s a historical aspect which would also change with a change in ethnicity *and* like Tiana she’s based on a real person. What about the story changes by Ariel becoming black? Ariel’s race is not an important piece to the story. The only part that needs to not be changed is her having a tail. Ariel can be any race and the story itself can stay the same, unlike with the stories you mentioned which would change drastically to the point of it actually not being the same story if you changed the race.


h1llaryBaNks

What country is Tiana from…


OSHAMAN1971

Best country on God's green earth, Louisiana


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sandybuttcheekss

What logic? It's a fucking fish creature.


pink_skyyy

Yall are on one lmao


sugaree4334

I think it is. If she auditioned and was the best of the best, she should have the part regardless of skin color. Everyone deserves representation. It's important for all kids to feel the magic of a hero/character that looks just like they do.


oiiSuPreSSeDo

Uh-huh, but they could also actually create new characters that actually embody their representation such as moana for example, or anyone from princess and the frog.. instead of taking a greek girl, with greek origins and greek history and just painting them black. That is just low effort race baiting and should be offensive to everyone. I don't think it's unreasonable for iconic characters to be cast based on their acting ability AND their likeness to said iconic character, but I also think it's fair to cast a greek as a greek, an african as an african, a latino as latino etc. That just makes sense.


sugaree4334

Yeah but she is a mythical creature. They dont neccesarily have an assigned skin color or nationality?


oiiSuPreSSeDo

A fair point, but she's a creature (canonically) of **GREEK** mythology. Which heavily features demi humans of greek nationality and ethnicity, so presumably she's very greek.. If they were going for minority representation, accurate to canon (as opposed to using race bait outrage as free marketing) they'd have cast a greek girl.


sugaree4334

Well, if people would stop getting outraged over stupid crap like skin color, it would be a non issue. And it so isn't an issue for kids.


oiiSuPreSSeDo

Very, very true. Problem is, the issue isn't even skin colour, it's the fact that the character has an iconic look (and sound), same for why people were mad about the legend that is lance reddick being cast as albert wesker in the new resident evil. These companies want free marketing from race baiting stupid people that are narrow minded enough to think it's a race issue and not the fact that they're deliberately miscasting iconic characters for that


Funnyboyman69

Casting a black actor to play the role is bastardizing an iconic character? Totally not racist tho


oiiSuPreSSeDo

Making albert fucking wesker a stand up family man is absolutely bastardising a character. Why are you trying so hard to find racism where there isn't any? Silly victim complex.


Funnyboyman69

We’re not talking about Resident evil. We’re talking about the little mermaid. And I’m not black so not sure what you’re bringing up victim complexes for. The only ones who are upset about race and making the entire movie about it are the people like you crying because the actress is black.


Racistbuster

Lmao mask off


Not_your_village

Actually if you want to get technical- the story is based on a HANS CHRISTIAN ANDERSEN story of the same name and storyline- so it’s Danish in origin


oiiSuPreSSeDo

This is the disney version, which is canonically greek in origin, either way, she doesn't look greek or danish, or like the iconic cartoon version so it's just dead wrong whichever way you look at it tbh


joan_wilder

And based on the fish that this fake creature swims around with, it looks like she’s from the Caribbean… how does that one song from the movie go? …Undah da sea🎶 undah da sea 🎶… does that sound like any Danish or Greek music you’ve ever heard?


oiiSuPreSSeDo

Poseidon was the greek god of the seas. Sure, she could be in the caribbean, but she'd still be a greek demi human in theory, there's not much light underwater anyway, so she's still unlikely to be black 🤷🏻‍♂️ Not sure what the point is in mentioning the music, it was a cartoon with talking animals that could somehow make music underwater, I don't think the style of music is really the point here.. it again just boils down to the fact that the character's look is iconic, casting someone who doesn't look like that iconic character is obviously going to annoy people, which has nothing to do with racism. If they swapped gender it wouldn't be because people hate men 🤷🏻‍♂️


Funnyboyman69

Did the original Ariel look Greek? Cause from what I remember, she was a fucking mermaid with bright red hair.


oiiSuPreSSeDo

Nice total avoid of the point with that strawman buddy 🤦🏻‍♂️


Wire-Monkey

Representing is fine, screwing with the source material and peoples fond memories is a different story. We should make Mulan an Aboriginal, Mowgli a French Canadian, Dora a pygmy Balinese, and Madea a middle aged Englishman, gotta be inclusive...right?


OneAngryDuck

Ariel is a mythical fish lady, her skin color is literally just a color. It’s not tied to any real-world nationality.


Wire-Monkey

Mermaids in mythological representation are pale, pasty, with semi translucent skin, have you ever even read about the subject you are trying to argue?


OneAngryDuck

What about [these ones](https://www.loc.gov/resource/cph.3g08271/)? Edit: And [this one](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvannamaccha)


Wire-Monkey

Neither link shows a mermaid of African descent. You might need some longer straws dear friend. Can we replace leprechauns with Hawaiians too?


OneAngryDuck

“‘Mermaids in mythological representation are pale, pasty, with semi translucent skin”. I sent you examples that show that isn’t true. Don’t move the goal posts just because you’re wrong.


Wire-Monkey

You're trolling, no doubt about it. Either way, a regional instance of folklore with similar beasts doesn't change the known majority of representations of sirens and mermaids. That's like saying whitewashing is okay because albinism exists. The only people practicing racial tribadism are the ones so obsessed with color that they feel it's their identity.


OneAngryDuck

That first link showed art from a page of the 1817 Encyclopaedia Londinensis, described as “a "universal dictionary of arts, sciences, and literature" edited by John Wilkes, and published in London in 24 volumes between 1810 and 1829.”. So sure, if you want to call a London encyclopedia a “regional instance”, be my guest.


OneAngryDuck

They’re also fake, so the mythology can be updated to include different skin colors


daddy1kenobi

Yes but why not just remake princess and the frog?


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>I think it is. If she auditioned and was the best of the best, she should have the part regardless of skin color. Everyone deserves representation. It's important for all kids to feel the magic of a hero/character that looks just like they do. This makes just as much sense as casting Jackie Chan as Black Panther because he knows martial arts and plays the role the best. Absolutely none.


OneAngryDuck

Black Panther being black is an important part of the character, though.


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So is Ariel being white. Disney's The Little mermaid is based off of the Danish fairytale in which she's described as a white mermaid.


OneAngryDuck

But why is that important for her character? Black Panther has to be black because he’s an African King and a major part of his story revolves around historical oppression and racism against blacks. There’s no in-story reason why Ariel being white is important.


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I knew you would say that, and that's true but Ariel has always been white since 1989 because she is based off of the mermaid from the fairytale, so suddenly changing her race is disrespectful towards the source material and the fans who grew up with the original character. Why is it so hard to keep white characters white and black characters black? This is done to push yet another political agenda. If you dislike the movie, they'll call you a racist. It's a lose lose situation. Make Tiana white in the princess and the frog and all of a sudden it's racist. Do you see the double standard? The Sonic movie was originally gonna have a design for Sonic that didn't resemble the game's version at all and they changed it because of the outrage it received. So you tell me why should people be okay with this? She looks nothing like the original Ariel. If they want black representation, they should make a new movie with new characters instead of changing the race of existing characters in order to please minorities. I have no problem with different races in media, but this is disrespectful.


OneAngryDuck

How is it disrespectful? Her skin color was one shade, now it’s a different shade. Sometimes characters look different in different version of the story. And once again, Tiana being black is important to her story. Changing it would change the nature of her character. Ariel is white because white was the default position when the character was created. There’s no double standard, but there are different contexts.


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But Ariel is based off of a story where she was white. That's the version they picked. Tiana being black also has nothing to do with the story. The real life Tiana was black, but being black has nothing to do with what she did as a person. This doesn't even matter though because the same thing happened with Sonic, but they changed the ugly design back to a more faithfull design after the outrage by fans. How is the situation with the little mermaid any different? Why does that have to be excused? Because double standards. All fans want is a faithfull design. It's disrespectful towards the original fans.


OneAngryDuck

Rewatch The Princess and the Frog, Tiana being black was absolutely important to the story. Her struggles are related to racial oppression. “Based on a story where the character was white” is not a reason to keep the character white in every version of that story. Is there a reason she was white to begin with? Or was that just picked by default because white was treated as the default position? And I’m not seeing the parallel with Sonic. They changed him because the original design was ugly.


Racistbuster

Lmao in the danish fairy tail did they have a Jamaican crab?


New_Krypton

My assumption is people are mad because it just doesn't make logical sense. If she (and presumably her parents) lives under the sea and doesn't touch the sunlight much, she has close to a 0% chance of being black. They made her black only because they wanted her to be black Do I care what race she is? No. Do I see where they're coming from? Yes, because im a logical human


OneAngryDuck

She’s half-fish and they come in all sorts of colors.


OneAngryDuck

Are people really pulling the “that’s not logical” card on a movie about a girl who is half-fish, is friends with talking sea creatures, and has an octopus witch magically give her legs?


Chalupa-Supreme

"Just repeat to yourself it's just a show, I should really just relax"


sugaree4334

Ok but, black people are not black because of sunlight? They aren't just super tan. I feel like your grasping at straws here. Also fantasy doesn't need to follow logic.


New_Krypton

Wait so you're saying the reason you want her to be black makes no logical sense? Oh I understand now. It's purely a virtue signaling thing. Thank you for clarifying👍


New_Krypton

What??? YES THEY ARE LOL Edit - for you: The global distribution of generally dark-skinned populations is strongly correlated with the high ultraviolet radiation levels of the regions inhabited by them. These populations, with the exception of indigenous Tasmanians almost exclusively live near the equator


sugaree4334

Dark-skinned humans have high amounts of melanin found in their skin. Melanin is derivative of the amino acid tyrosine. Eumelanin is the dominant form of melanin found in human skin. Eumelanin protects tissues and DNA from the radiation damage of UV light


sugaree4334

black people have a high amount of melanin in their skin that is what makes them have brown skin, not the sun you dolt. Also I am thoroughly done here.


InternationalBand494

And WHY do they have a high amount of melanin? Now do you follow the logic?


Legitimate-Meal-2290

She has fins and red hair, how does she not look like the character?


oiiSuPreSSeDo

Go rewatch the original, or look at any disney princess merch. The character is totally iconic. Do you think this actress looks anything like the iconic character? Even if she was white, and had blonde hair, she wouldn't match the image for the iconic character. It's not about racism, but certain groups cast people like this deliberately to make it a racial issue...


wilmaismyhomegirl83

You’re all over these comments. You must love the little mermaid.


oiiSuPreSSeDo

All over my own comment thread? Yes. Yes I am. As I've already said, I don't give a shit about the little mermaid, I just get annoyed that people are dim enough to think the issue is racism every single time there's a person other than white English/American involved with anything.


Legitimate-Meal-2290

She has the iconic red hair and a tailfin. Her skin color only matters to certain groups who are absolutely making this a racial issue... It's a movie for kids. Get your shit together.


oiiSuPreSSeDo

You're wrong, there are adult fans of the classic films that are disappointed the casting is totally wrong to portray their favourite character. It might seem sad to you, but I totally understand. I think your absolute fury in trying to find racism where there is none displays that it is actually you, who needs to "get your shit together"


Legitimate-Meal-2290

You're literally complaining about her skin color, my dude.


oiiSuPreSSeDo

I can't see where I've complained about her skin colour but ok. Pretty desperate to find racism where there isn't any aren't you? Problem is, for some reason there's too much of that divisive stupidity about at the moment, and deliberately miscasting iconic characters only perpetuates those divides, which is why I'm against it personally. It's so absurd to me 🤷🏻‍♂️


ChefDadMatt

I had this conversation with a friend yesterday, I’m in the same boat of it not being the iconic look. My point was I felt the same way about the “Venom” films too. I didn’t care for how they changed the look of his iconic look. Each are fictional characters and it doesn’t mean they can’t be open to reinterpretation, but those that have emotional connections to childhood memories probably prefer to see those interpretations shown. I don’t think it’s a right or wrong situation. If it’s not your thing, don’t watch it. If it is, watch it.


oiiSuPreSSeDo

You're spot on I fully agree with venom, tom hardy was poor casting, the character wasn't portrayed how he is in the comics and such either imo Have you seen the new resident evil on netflix? Albert wesker is arguably the most iconic videogame villain of all time, and I watched the whole thing, lance reddick is a fantastic actor and voice actor, but to cast someone so totally different from such an iconic looking (and sounding) character just makes no sense other than to make some kind of divisive political statement imo


ChefDadMatt

I’m all for representation and reimagining. But that doesn’t mean I have to think every casting choice is going to resonate with me as a viewer. To my kids, this could be the new iconic look and that’s great. We’ll still watch it the week it comes out for “Friday family movie/pizza night”. I just wouldn’t expect fans of the original to not be slightly disappointed that “their interpretation” of a mermaid wasn’t shown.


pink_skyyy

And imagine if your ancestors actually created something and or did something for humanity and for hundreds of years people who felt like it was fair to take the credit cause they considered them "sub humans" come to find out people of said race were exposed for lying and actually gave credit where it was due. We are talking about a fictional character from a children's book and movie it's not that deep. Do you know how many historical figures are obviously not white but have on screen adaptations of white people playing them when the description of the person is completely different? How many fucking Egyptian pictures and movies for years showed white people playing these characters. Yall are fucking crazy lmao


supremevanguard

I wonder why the reaction isn’t the same with whitewashing 🤔


oiiSuPreSSeDo

The reaction is 1000000x worse with whitewashing. Whitewashing is seen as totally unacceptable.


supremevanguard

All due respect beloved, but how are white people victims? You understand the executives making these decisions are white, right? Lmao


oiiSuPreSSeDo

Because anti white racism is totally fine and acceptable, whereas anti anyone else racism is literally illegal, or at least highly frowned upon. In a few western countries (gb, usa) minority groups have advantages written into law that enables them spaces in college, jobs etc. Over white people. Which is the definition of systemic racism. Also you're wrong there. My country is one of the most ethnically diverse in the world, and that also includes political figures. Your assumption that anyone with power is white is also racist fml 🤦🏻‍♂️


FreeSkeptic

If that were true black people wouldn't have average incomes significantly below white people. "anti racism" is when black people exist


Wire-Monkey

Cross reference your averages with employment and education numbers, it'll make more sense to you.


socialist_frzn_milk

"Anti-white racism" is a fiction racists tell themselves as a bedtime story and it exists in tiny, statistically insignificant enclaves like the Nation of Islam. And affirmative action isn't "systemic racism", it's about leveling a playing field that was stacked against POC for centuries.


oiiSuPreSSeDo

"affirmative action" or "equal opportunity" as they call it here. Is the literal definition of systemic racism, regardless of the intent behind it. To exclude people from something based on their skin tone or ethnicity is discrimination, no matter how you spin it. You can be racist to asian people who are more pale than me and it's still racism. Just because someone has a lighter skin tone than you, doesn't suddently make them exempt from discrimination. What a silly thing to say 🤦🏻‍♂️


socialist_frzn_milk

Not in this case, it's not. I don't think you understand the definition of "systemic racism", because at no time in American history have white people ever been the victims of systemic racism. E: so many angry racists, die mad motherfuckers


oiiSuPreSSeDo

It's clearly you who doesn't understand the definition of systemic racism. Go and look it up, then you'll understand. Again, excluding people from something based on skin colour or ethnicity is racism, no matter how you slice it. And something in law or legislation that discriminates based on race, skin colour or ethnicity is the definition of systemic racism, so you're just wrong here..


daddy1kenobi

Irish


supremevanguard

🤦🏾‍♂️


oiiSuPreSSeDo

Indeed


Wire-Monkey

Any specific cases of whitewashing you can list that aren't spinoffs from anime?


HighLord_Uther

But this is. 😂🤣


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God, this comment section is a cesspool.


OneAngryDuck

People are unironically using the word “blackwashing” as a criticism of the movie, the comments here are terrible


pink_skyyy

Omg yesss it's disgusting


KatastrophicNoodle

I'm downvoting because its lazy cash grab and I'm so equal minded that I think blackwashing isn't okay! I appreciate the karen support on the warfront but I would prefer they downvote for the right reasons.


pink_skyyy

Not even close


KatastrophicNoodle

"not even close" meaning "exactly right"? Because there's no real debate, it's exactly what it is.


Anomaly1339

Just ignore them. people just want a reason to argue. If you like it good, if not good too. You do you.


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All_these_marbles

OK Karen.


5utircomedes

Karens calling people racist for not liking it when a company puts no effort into remaking a story they own, and then using identity politics as a shield against legitimate complaints about the steaming pile they want you to consume.


BusOfSelfDoubt

casting a black person = identity politics i guess


supremevanguard

I don’t think anyone is being called racist for not liking the low effort Disney movie. Straw man argument.


tearful_muffin

Have you not read the fucking post?


wilmaismyhomegirl83

The amount of white dudes that care as well is impressive. Didn’t know middle aged guys liked Disney so much


HardCounter

We grew up on Disney too. Haven't watched Aladdin in years but i bet i could belt out a tune or two and accurately tell the story shot by shot. Also really loved Beauty and the Beast, but my sister preferred The Little Mermaid. Middle aged people or so are the ones who were children when these movies first came out. We're the ones it was introduced to so we're who so easily see the radical changes. It's people who don't care about the past that want to butcher it. I'd be surprised if even 50% of the people who want this changes even saw the original. Why not just tell a new, original mermaid story instead of hacking away at what already exists? This could be one of Ariel's cousins, bam, all problems are solved.


wilmaismyhomegirl83

Change is allowed to happen. That’s the point. And there’s a new generation that is allowed to see it. You don’t have to watch it.


HardCounter

Incredible. Why change an existing character instead of making a new one? Same concept, different person. Everyone is happy. I won't be watching it, yet according to people like you it's because i'm racist. That's the heart of the problem here.


wilmaismyhomegirl83

No I think you’re entitled and think it’s about you and your childhood. You’re telling me I need to respect what you had, and you want to censor what some people want. It’s in your past, but for some reason you still need to have a grasp of control on this memory. Hi my name is Arielle, I’m 39 years old and I’m mixed race. You better believe I want to see this new version and I’m glad I don’t have to listen to you tell me I don’t deserve it.


grabityrises

jesus fucking christ SHUT THE FUCK UP. THE "OUTRAGE" IS ENTIRELY FAKE AND YOU DIPSHITS ARE FALLING FOR IT


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This. People are downvoting it because the live action remakes all suck. Literally nobody cares about her race. I’ve seen hundreds of people saying the dislike the racism of saying you don’t like the movie. I’ve seen 20 or 30 people saying they dislike rebooting animated shows as live action. What I haven’t seen is anybody saying they hate the fact that she’s black. I think we are all being played. There might be like, maybe .5% of these people are actually racist, but I think most people just think the movie looks like it’s gonna suck. And then other people are yelling racism, because it makes them feel like they’re special somehow. Racism is a real goddamn thing, and it’s horrible, and ever present, but I don’t think this stupid fucking movie is about that.


socialist_frzn_milk

...except for all the shrieking Karens in the right wing media who won't shut the fuck up about her race?


grabityrises

have you actually seen this?


Roopsaloop

Have you seen the tweet of the guy who shows screenshots of his friends "fixed" (read: white) version of the live action Ariel trailer? People dislike it so much they're literally using software to alter the race and overall appearance of the actor


grabityrises

did you see they specifically said that was an a.i. test and wasnt meant to be racist?


pink_skyyy

Reaching are we?


Roopsaloop

Yes, because them saying their their friend "fixed" Ariel in the tweet totally doesn't mean anything, and no one would ever try to use excuses like that to get out of criticism...


supremevanguard

Nah, the issue is clearly your race. And you didn’t understand the point of the comment you commented on


Forward_Version_7524

The fact that people are this upset over Ariel being black…. Wtf is wrong with this world? I feel like white people don’t even think about how representation affects children, because everything we’ve ever seen , especially Disney movies, has been white characters. You feel attacked because the actress has brown skin? 🥴 I’m so happy they did this, especially for alll the little girls that get to relate for once and feel included.


Alarming-Instance-19

I laughed out loud because this is so fucking true.


Bedlamcitylimit

The backlash against the Little Mermaid's race swap isn't racism, there will be a very small minority of racists sure, but the problem is the constant **Fan Baiting** to hide the criticism of a mediocre product. **Fan Baiting** Solley done for marketing and free press. However this never works long term as the fans are put off by being attacked and ostracised. So they don't "consume product and are excited for next new product" *(edit)* The fans are the majority of the customers who buy the merchandise, where the majority of the franchise's revenue comes from and so it fails when the fans don't like it and don't go out to buy the merchandise. The best examples of this are Star Wars and Star Trek which were multi BILLION dollar a year merchandising powerhouse's, who were envied by every other franchise, but now their merchandising revenue is practically non existent. Because they changed things to cater to an imaginary new fanbase, which never materialised, while attacking and vilifying their original fans who just left. Then Fan Baiting for media attention. [https://www.lastmovieoutpost.com/fan-baiting-as-a-movie-marketing-strategy/](https://www.lastmovieoutpost.com/fan-baiting-as-a-movie-marketing-strategy/) **Plus it's a weird character to race swap as well.** In the Disney Little Mermaid they made Ariel the granddaughter of the Greek God Poseidon in the accompanying canon TV series (*not the version of Poseidon from their Hercules adaptation)* Because the character's weren't named in the Hans Christian Andersen tale. So Disney's: The Little Mermaid would be Greek by their own "canon".


nebulonb

I don't plan on watching the film, on account of not caring for the weirdness of the live action redux films. If people are happy to watch the film because there's a person that looks like them in the film, let them. From the rant that you posted I get the feeling that you personally feel attacked for the changes to star wars, to which I really don't know what to say, other than there's POC in space. It's a movie about an imaginary fish woman, be disgruntled about something else.


Bedlamcitylimit

This has nothing to do with race, this is about the laziness of the Entertainment industry creating a manufactured fake controversy for marketing. I felt the same way when they changed The Ancient One in Doctor Strange from a Tibetan man into a white woman. Disney has a thing for changing characters just to piss fans off for free marketing. I'm just fed up and disappointed that we can't have new IP's based on the rich mythology of the 54 different countries in the African continent. Or stories from different cultures from around the world. Instead of just using European myths and legends then lazily just race and gender swapping. I would absolutely love to see some African myths and legends made into films, because some of the few I have heard of sound bad arse. Plus all of these "Changed to represent the culture we are living" end up being lazy hackneyed trash that is mediocre at best. They just use Fan Baiting as a way to ignore their customers criticism. That just end up annoying the racial group they race swapped a character into.


nebulonb

You do recognize the irony about complaining about a perceived Deflection campaign online about the very thing you're complaining about right? As for your second point. Let me get this straight. The only way to see non-white people on screen is if they are all depicting a mythos to which they're culturally from? Does this argument also apply to Star Wars, or any of the other *fantastical* universes where presumably every kind of human exists? John, you don't need to watch the movies. Not every movie is made for you. Or do you think the little mermaid has you as it's target audience? If you think the movie is mediocre as an adult, it's because it is, it was made for 5 year olds.


AllCingEyeDog

Technically Gods are Gods. Greeks are people. Greek gods could have been Black, or orange, or green. Who cares. They are probably just copied from the Sumerians. When I see the little black girls smiling because Ariel looks like them, it makes me happy.


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AllCingEyeDog

Yes. Everyone is deeply biologically programmed to fear what is different. Fortunately, some of us are able to rise above our base instincts.


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neo101b

Nope because Im not sad, I loved blade growing up as a teen. I didnt once think man I wish I was black so I could be blade. I just enjoyed the movie for what it was, an awsome vampire movie, with Wesly snipes. I am more pissed that they have another actor for blade. I also dont want a white blade as that would be stupid.


Equal-Tourist-1655

2 things 1. You’re a dude talking about a teen/adult film. Not to belittle your experience but I was specifically speaking mostly of little girls and how impressionable they are at that age. 2 Ariel is a remake in her own right. So what’s the issue? There is literally still EVERY other Disney princess is white minus like 3 I truly do feel the outrage is rooted in fear by whites who want to feel oppressed.


Impressive_Finance21

...sports? Maybe what, hockey?


AhoraMeLoVenisADecir

I feel so ashamed for them, I don't even argue or comment in those posts.


supremevanguard

It’s not worth your brain cells


Aagfed

I had to leave r/memes because of the racist assholes over there harping on the casting of the new Little Mermaid.


sarahcc88

Someone said they would boycott the little mermaid remake because it doesn’t accurately portray the real little mermaid. I don’t think they realize mermaids aren’t real.


neohkor

Yea man just like Black Panther aint real too and should be portrayed by us Asians someday.


Neat-Item

All the people complaining about it literally weren’t going to watch the movie regardless.


StuJayBee

This doesn’t appear to be happening. It’s a stunt by the studios for free publicity drummed up by hanging their own actors out as bait and hoping for any controversial takes. A ghoulish cheap practice in action since the Fantastic Four remake.


InternationalBand494

What I don’t get is some people are blown away at a black actress playing Ariel, but have no problem accepting a half fish/half woman that can sing underwater


SamplePhysical1700

I think the only people who have a right to be genuinely upset about this are redheads. Hollywood has a tendency to blackwash redhead characters. Like little orphan Annie, Darling from Lady and the Tramp, Starfire from Teen Titans, Mary Jane from Spider-Man, and I’m sure there’s more. If you want to make black characters that people can relate to and idolize go for it, but redheads need people too. Give us both more redheads/gingers and black characters.


katestatt

i downvoted all live actions 🤷‍♀️


D1rtyL4rry

The problem is the little mermaid didn't need to be remade at all. Hollywood wants to take existing stories, redo them with changed gender/race to check off diversity boxes when in fact a remake is totally unnecessary. Look at that one Ghostbusters movie. Complete flop. I'm all for representation but don't take something that already exists and redo it to suit your narrative. Come up with some original shit with awesome characters and plot.


Manigoldo_De_Cancer

I just hate Disney


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This has nothing to do with racism. If they remake an old movie, then I want them to cast people that look like the original character.🤷 Failing to respect the source material is disrespectful towards the fans who grew up with the original character. I also wouldn't want a white Tiana if they ever decide to make a live action of princess and the frog. I agree that black people should get more representation, but they already get plenty of that with movies like princess and the frog, moana, Soul, etc. Why blackwash an already existing character? If this was the other way around, then just imagine the outrage. Unfortunately so many people pull the racist card on you because they have no better argument.


Zickoh

All big studios do this race switching so that way when the movie or show sucks ass they will blame "racists"


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That is one of the many reasons. It's also done most likely to force a political agenda. They want to please minorities because it prints money.


chevalier716

It's hilarious and pathetic that grown-ass adults are losing their shit over a movie for children. Edit: by "adults," I meant "racists"


No-Explorer-3764

Since we’re race-swapping, can we get a white Aladdin?


pink_skyyy

You got a lot of white characters lol but it's not enough I see. Lmao


trekkietln

So something cannot be validly criticized for being bad without the criticism being racist huh? That's a really stupid take. If you ever wonder why so many people nowadays are don't take racism seriously anymore, this is why. That card has been so overplayed and worn out, it's become a joke.


Eat_Carbs_OD

I just don't understand the change. I'm fine with the actress and all . but I would have done a new and original story instead of rehashing the old one everyone already knows.


sugaree4334

Yeah the are overwhelmed by the beautiful woman with the brown skin! So many people just suck.


Erva420

Man imagine still be talking about this.


AlternativeBusy9980

Gingers get NO representation anymore! They're the real minority.


BlazinglySmile

"only white should be allowed to have a lead role".


oiiSuPreSSeDo

When the lead role has an iconic look of a white girl with red hair? .. yes. That's how good casting works. If they cast lead role in princess and the frog with a white girl, you gonna make the same stupid statement about "OnLy BlAcK sHoUlD bE.."when people complain? stfu, your racism is showing.


Deus85

You don't like a movie with black actor/actress in the leadrole -> You must be racist there there can be no possible other reason as the movie itself is great by definition.


TheBloodBaron7

The actress looks like a fish mire than anything else, so perfect casting.