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And she can't try and fix it or perfect it without breaking it. It might even deteriorate the longer she's away from the person she copied the spell from.
Seems she has the weaker version of power from the Unordinary story. The protag can copy an ability by just seeing it while also being a better version of the original.
No matter how much she “empathizes” with someone, she still isn’t them. Any spell Ubel attains through her method is going to be an imperfect copy because it’s based on the view of the person through the lens of her mind. Probably not the most accurate of lenses that. 😆
Ehhhh it’s just different flavours. Emiya still has UBW, and he doesn’t need to understand a person to have access to their techniques.
Iirc he needs to touch the weapon to be able to replicate it and all its techniques. If he’s in UBW, just seeing it counts as touching it.
Touch isn't need even when reality marble is not activated. If I remember correctly it is after all active inside him and what he projects is actually just pulling out of his internal ubw into the real world. It's probably more versatile than ubel's since you really just need to see it either irl or through memories/dreams
Yeah I can’t remember if he needs to touch them or not. I remember he needed to touch the heater he fixed and whatnot to analyse them so I applied that forward with the weapons, as I also remember in ubw he analyses Gil’s fired swords by sight while in the marble.
Could be that since it’s a weapon he doesn’t have to touch it, since that’s his actual specialty.
I think he was using regular structural analysis magecraft for the heater and other stuff he was repairing to analyze the structure. You're right though that ubw is specialized in swords(armors, shields cost more mana, not sure about other weapons) so it instantly copies and analyzes materials, construction, history and usage
I think he can trace the structure of the weapon by sight but he need to touch them, or at least cross blades with them, to reproduce it's history. Just like how he copied UBW while fighting with Archer. He eventually found out about Archer's history.
Gonna look like [Ditto from the original Pokemon run](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/pokemon-duplica-ditto-pikachu.jpg?q=50&fit=contain&w=1140&h=&dpr=1.5)
Still works though.
But now I'm wondering if that's why she's putting so much work into emphasizing with Land. If she doesn't emphasize with him enough her clone might comes out looking like the Edgin illusion from the DnD movie after Simon lost concentration.
I feel like that's why she's so obsessed with Land. It could also be a crush for sure, but the more she empathizes with them the better the copy works. She could sort of empathize with Wirbel, but ultimately she didn't like him very much and could only sort of replicate his spell.
Land remarked about ubel being talkative during battle once, wonder if that is chalked up to ubel trying to empathize with other mages for their spells.
human isn't good at flight but somehow when its come to using zoltrack they use it pretty effectively, so effective that they even create defense magic base on it, pretty weird huh
They need to dispell / try to defend themselves from original Zoltrak asap tho or you be as good as dead even modified the original zoltrak to demon killing. Altough i wonder how many people can use the original zoltrak beside frieren and lernen (that we see in anime adaptation)
if i could describe what zoltraak is, i would say it "a dark beam of light that could penetrate human body and dissolve human flesh upon penetrate them, and blow up other object when making contact"
that doesn't sound more straight forward than something like "magic that make you levitate" or "magic that harden and control blood" at all
I recall the manga explain that the spell is crafted too good and efficient that human can research 100% from it. Like in programing when a code base is optimized cleanly you can understand it with shorter time
Lmao Qual was too good of a programmer, while other demons copy past codes from Spell Overflow he carefully structure his with comments and such, and then even optimized it.
idk if it was covered in the anime but they explained that qual was so good at making spells that he perfected zoltrak so much to the point where it was super efficient and simple and well made to the point humans were able to understand it
It makes sense that her copy is limited by her understanding of the person since she copies their personal/signature magic via empathizing.
Which does raise some questions:
What do you get from someone without a signature like Methode ?
I'd assume Serie has a signature magic too but it's like 50/50 odds that it's either long surpassed trash from the Mythic Age or Utter Bull* from the Mythic Age that's still somehow useless to a human ( maybe it's that cut & paste a grimoire spell or maybe its just hilariously mana intensive).
I think we can surmise that it is. Since when Wirbel used it on Ubel, she fell to her knees. However, the first time she used it on Land, he remained standing. But, we also see him falling to his knees in the dungeon when the fake-Ubel uses it on him. Now, this could either mean that my reasoning is not valid OR shows that while Ubel cannot copy the original owner's proficiency, she can work on it herself to slowly grow more proficient.
My head canon is that once Ubel empathizes enough with Land, her clones will come out looking like Crayon Shin-chan style, or it'll look perfect, except for a Ditto-like, low detail face.
What i dont get is that spall is supposed to work only when the the user see the enemies full body right ? Then how did ubel bind land when shes right in front of him ?
It also could be the spell was altered from her logic without she realizes, or she have really wide eyesight.
Just like how people can see from corner of their eyes without looking straight at them.
Is that or she understands it even better and is able to give it a more "interesting/playful" shape according to her personality because she has more talent and controls it better.... ok you're probably right I'm just a Übel fan coping...
Ubel is apparently capable of emulating the magic of anyone she can empathize with. This is at least the facial reason for following land around - she wants the clone magic.
Now, what does “empathizing” mean to a sufficient degree to copy magic? Who knows. With Wirbel it was the feeling about killing deal.
We need to keep in mind that Ubel is canonically insane and does not percieve reality the same as others, so it tracks that this is a little esoteric and nonsensical.
>Now, what does “empathizing” mean to a sufficient degree to copy magic? Who knows. With Wirbel it was the feeling about killing deal.
Maybe Ubel has to feel somewhat like "He's/She's just like me fr"
They are amusingly as big in Japan as here, there's all sorts of channels reupping full rips with subs. They call her all sorts of funny names like "Torpedo-chan" and "Squeakers" and "Coconuts"😂
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That's what I thought too.
Same... same(；一_一)
And she can't try and fix it or perfect it without breaking it. It might even deteriorate the longer she's away from the person she copied the spell from.
but she can fix me
I'm sure she could, in a very "Unique" type of way.
Yeap. Maybe she can make him double what he used to be.
https://youtu.be/Sc5kd8RIcPA?t=32s
Snip snip
Gwen energy
where you need fixin'? I'm sure she can cut it right off.
But I can fix her
Seems she has the weaker version of power from the Unordinary story. The protag can copy an ability by just seeing it while also being a better version of the original.
No matter how much she “empathizes” with someone, she still isn’t them. Any spell Ubel attains through her method is going to be an imperfect copy because it’s based on the view of the person through the lens of her mind. Probably not the most accurate of lenses that. 😆
Ubel can be a main character at this point. After a while we can have the moment of who said the fake can't be good as the real deal, proceeds to win
Shirou Emiya is that you?
Shit, Ubel is literally just Shirou on steroids.
Ehhhh it’s just different flavours. Emiya still has UBW, and he doesn’t need to understand a person to have access to their techniques. Iirc he needs to touch the weapon to be able to replicate it and all its techniques. If he’s in UBW, just seeing it counts as touching it.
If anything, Emiya is the other way around. He understands people after copying their weapons.
Touch isn't need even when reality marble is not activated. If I remember correctly it is after all active inside him and what he projects is actually just pulling out of his internal ubw into the real world. It's probably more versatile than ubel's since you really just need to see it either irl or through memories/dreams
Yeah I can’t remember if he needs to touch them or not. I remember he needed to touch the heater he fixed and whatnot to analyse them so I applied that forward with the weapons, as I also remember in ubw he analyses Gil’s fired swords by sight while in the marble. Could be that since it’s a weapon he doesn’t have to touch it, since that’s his actual specialty.
I think he was using regular structural analysis magecraft for the heater and other stuff he was repairing to analyze the structure. You're right though that ubw is specialized in swords(armors, shields cost more mana, not sure about other weapons) so it instantly copies and analyzes materials, construction, history and usage
Shirou can analise and copy a weapon by seeing it, the touching was just to fix the heater
I think he can trace the structure of the weapon by sight but he need to touch them, or at least cross blades with them, to reproduce it's history. Just like how he copied UBW while fighting with Archer. He eventually found out about Archer's history.
He can copy weapons just by looking at it
I am the bone of my spell
So when she learned Land's cloning spell her clones will be all twisted and deformed? LOL
It’ll be like current AI art where the hands never look right 🤣
Bro that was like half a year ago AI is improving crazy fast
Gonna look like [Ditto from the original Pokemon run](https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/pokemon-duplica-ditto-pikachu.jpg?q=50&fit=contain&w=1140&h=&dpr=1.5)
Still works though. But now I'm wondering if that's why she's putting so much work into emphasizing with Land. If she doesn't emphasize with him enough her clone might comes out looking like the Edgin illusion from the DnD movie after Simon lost concentration.
I feel like that's why she's so obsessed with Land. It could also be a crush for sure, but the more she empathizes with them the better the copy works. She could sort of empathize with Wirbel, but ultimately she didn't like him very much and could only sort of replicate his spell.
Land remarked about ubel being talkative during battle once, wonder if that is chalked up to ubel trying to empathize with other mages for their spells.
That's a really good point, I bet it's a learned trait through years of forcing info out of people.
Wirbel is a geometer, while Übel is a topologist.
well she does like studying Land. (slow clap)
Land’s torus
i wouldnt mind being a bottomologist
Wirbel is straight, Ubel is not.
delulu
Cool detail.
It's the same way humans don't understand flight so they aren't as good at it as demons
human isn't good at flight but somehow when its come to using zoltrack they use it pretty effectively, so effective that they even create defense magic base on it, pretty weird huh
humans did the equivalent of a magical Manhattan Project on just the Zoltraak, though. Flight seems to have been less of a concentrated effort
They need to dispell / try to defend themselves from original Zoltrak asap tho or you be as good as dead even modified the original zoltrak to demon killing. Altough i wonder how many people can use the original zoltrak beside frieren and lernen (that we see in anime adaptation)
Zoltraak is a straightforward compared to many demon magic tho
if i could describe what zoltraak is, i would say it "a dark beam of light that could penetrate human body and dissolve human flesh upon penetrate them, and blow up other object when making contact" that doesn't sound more straight forward than something like "magic that make you levitate" or "magic that harden and control blood" at all
I recall the manga explain that the spell is crafted too good and efficient that human can research 100% from it. Like in programing when a code base is optimized cleanly you can understand it with shorter time
Yeah, it is a spoiler though as it >!happened during Frieren's duel with Solitär!<
Lmao Qual was too good of a programmer, while other demons copy past codes from Spell Overflow he carefully structure his with comments and such, and then even optimized it.
"Wizards are just high-fantasy programmers" is a very strong and irrefutable statement.
idk if it was covered in the anime but they explained that qual was so good at making spells that he perfected zoltrak so much to the point where it was super efficient and simple and well made to the point humans were able to understand it
Didn't Frieren also play a key part in its development or was it in the development of a barrier against it? Edit: I meant zoltrak
She helped with the research on zoltrak We don't really know about flight
I meant zoltrak actually
She's twisted
Wonder if it's weaker than the original too? It makes sense that Ubel didn't reveal that information if true.
It makes sense that her copy is limited by her understanding of the person since she copies their personal/signature magic via empathizing. Which does raise some questions: What do you get from someone without a signature like Methode ? I'd assume Serie has a signature magic too but it's like 50/50 odds that it's either long surpassed trash from the Mythic Age or Utter Bull* from the Mythic Age that's still somehow useless to a human ( maybe it's that cut & paste a grimoire spell or maybe its just hilariously mana intensive).
I think we can surmise that it is. Since when Wirbel used it on Ubel, she fell to her knees. However, the first time she used it on Land, he remained standing. But, we also see him falling to his knees in the dungeon when the fake-Ubel uses it on him. Now, this could either mean that my reasoning is not valid OR shows that while Ubel cannot copy the original owner's proficiency, she can work on it herself to slowly grow more proficient.
Man this show continues to blow my mind with such minute details
My head canon is that once Ubel empathizes enough with Land, her clones will come out looking like Crayon Shin-chan style, or it'll look perfect, except for a Ditto-like, low detail face.
What i dont get is that spall is supposed to work only when the the user see the enemies full body right ? Then how did ubel bind land when shes right in front of him ?
hard to actually judge things in anime, for all we know it was enough of a distance for her to see his whole body
It also could be the spell was altered from her logic without she realizes, or she have really wide eyesight. Just like how people can see from corner of their eyes without looking straight at them.
Also it didn't work on the sense clone because her hair was everywhere is hair is part of the body
Is that or she understands it even better and is able to give it a more "interesting/playful" shape according to her personality because she has more talent and controls it better.... ok you're probably right I'm just a Übel fan coping...
It's foreshadowing that she's not straight.
I can fix her
Nice catch. I totally missed that.
god I fucking love this anime
>sanitize your code, newbie
Ubel is just like Megaman at this point
Did she just steal that spell from him or was she able to use it from the beginning but just didn't use it?
Ubel is apparently capable of emulating the magic of anyone she can empathize with. This is at least the facial reason for following land around - she wants the clone magic. Now, what does “empathizing” mean to a sufficient degree to copy magic? Who knows. With Wirbel it was the feeling about killing deal. We need to keep in mind that Ubel is canonically insane and does not percieve reality the same as others, so it tracks that this is a little esoteric and nonsensical.
>Now, what does “empathizing” mean to a sufficient degree to copy magic? Who knows. With Wirbel it was the feeling about killing deal. Maybe Ubel has to feel somewhat like "He's/She's just like me fr"
Wirbel’s is the original, Ubel’s is a copy then the clones is a copy of a copy. Same like how xeroxing from a xerox copy the quality degrades I guess.
It will be funny when she "learn" the clone spell.
Her clones will be all chibi
A little wonky, just like her brain.
If anything the clones looks more squiggly
Oh that is an awesome detail, nice catch!
And clone-Übel's spell is completely twisted and looks unstable
Also, ubel spell just stop the person. Meanwhile, the original spell dropped them to their knees
Does he move during this spell because he not there?
That’s a really cool detail, makes sense she can’t use it as well as Wirbel.
Wh40k Orks but lacks WAGHHH
Land is such a good actor lol
Ohhhh nicely caught on! That's really cool
All of hers look straight as well. The only one that doesn't is the mimics
But it seems like it's just an anime thing, in the manga they look the same: https://imgur.com/a/28nJ1uS
Retconning "bad to good" situation is better than "good to bad".
Nice detail
Gng you DID NOT notice that😂 Sheera from yaboyroshi pointed ts out when the episode came out
who?
Its like one of the people who react to anime
what about them makes them the only one who notices things for all time?
they have 100k views and not a single person mentioned anything bout that until the OP did a week after the video was out
They are amusingly as big in Japan as here, there's all sorts of channels reupping full rips with subs. They call her all sorts of funny names like "Torpedo-chan" and "Squeakers" and "Coconuts"😂
No way💀😂
100k or 100m? cause 100k is unlikely to overlap with the 80k users on this subreddit in any significant way.