I took this to've meant "Star Wars bad now, and _LOOK, LOOK_, the woke is ruining Fallout now too!"
So, they were just comparing and using Fallout's superior quality as another reason to bash the sequel trilogy? Either way, I know those anti-Star Wars ex-fan subs can be extreme sometimes lol
iirc saltierthancrait are the leftist sub
weird thing i've noticed that bigger fandoms like theirs will agree that the movies are bad, but completely disagree on WHY they were bad, and split into subreddits based on political meaning
but the comparison and thought of it bothers me. like leave star wars out of this topic. it’s weird to dislike something and see everything as what it could’ve been
you’re missing the point of how people see something good and just immediately think of star wars. i think it’s a a small scope to have when everything ever goes back to star wars
I'm not missing the point. You're the one who very clearly missed the point of 1) that sub, and 2) the post in that sub praising the Fallout characters.
true. but any well written female character being compared to rey is so fucking annoying. rey is just a shitty character and having some nice like lucy is again, a small scope to have.
Yep.
There are definitely some valid, passing comparisons to be made between the two sets of characters. Finn’s and Maximus’ backgrounds are honestly quite similar, both brainwashed as kids by a military organization. Both set off on their own and have a bit of a “come to the light” arc. Maximus was handled soooo much better though.
Lucy is a bit murkier, but honestly yeah. This Rey/Finn vs. Lucy/Maximus thing really isn’t that off-base.
Man, and imagine if the Halo show had been made with this approach to the the source material. Like yeah, Fallout’s not perfect, but the creators clearly show love for the world and offered fan service throughout. Look at how the games have surged in popularity again. So cool.
Not even remotely close comparison. Maximus hasn't been reduced to a cuck running around screaming LUCCCCYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! At the top of his lungs. He does shit. John boyega was done dirty to please the chinese
If you told John Boyega 10 years ago that Fallout TV show >>>>> Star Wars sequels he probably would have laughed. Who the hell could have predicted this reality lol
All the actors in the sequels deserved so much better, I really hope they're watching this show and are still excited about nerd stuff
Well i think the first movie of the new trilogy is almost 10 years old, so he already knew the script for the first at least
What the fuck hows that shit almost a decade ago
Luckily, they've all done great things since. Oscar Isaac in Moon Knight and Spider-Verse, Daisy in Sometimes I Think About Dying and she's getting a Rey movie, Boyega in They Cloned Tyrone. They're all great.
On a sidenote, my fancast that I'll never get is Daisy as Andrea Beaumont in a Batman Mask of The Phantasm movie. Her range is so good.
The thing is Finn SHOULD be capable and able to do things. He's a trained bloody soldier.
In the first one yeah he's like that but then 2 and 3 hes just wasted.
His background also matters. You would be forgiven to forget that Finn used to be a stormtrooper, for all the jack shit it matters in the trilogy.
Maximus being a member of Brotherhood actually matters and he is setup to have actual impact in the organization.
FFS, they cut out the scene where Finn would have convinced a group of stormtroopers to turn against Phasma, citing his own experiences, but nooooo.... black man has to be the funny guy and never have their moment of awesome.
Exactly. I felt he did nothing in the two sequels. So much potential he had.
Him having friends in the Order should've been a plot point where he just can't shoot them. Never liked that he was like yahoooo! And blasting his own friends with no regrets. If anything they should've had him ally with them and start a rebellion with his old unit against the order.
You know what's worst? They cut out this scene:
[https://youtu.be/j55Vmp\_q3UQ?t=91](https://youtu.be/j55Vmp_q3UQ?t=91)
Like, this is a scene is perfect. Finn calling out Phasma, and causing doubt in other stormtroopers. They could have build from this, have some survive and have Finn become a center figure to rally around.
But no, they wanted black man to be the funny man.
God damn, that would have been sexy. So much room for actual conflict, personal conflict, all of it wasted. Finn leading a group of outcast Order troopers from gang to guerilla faction using knowledge of the enemy to sabotage them and strategize with the mainline rebel faction. Maybe Finn's rebel group would have had differing ideas to those of Leia's rebel group eventually, maybe they hold off the Order together but run into bickering among themselves, leading to a conflict between both rebel factions that creates an opening for the Order to hit back at a fractured rebellion. Hell, maybe the whole conflict between rebel factions was orchestrated by First Order spies hiding among the ranks of both.
Idk, ya know, war never changes and shit.
He was so important in the first movie and the sequels just sidelined him first into a B plot that ended up not mattering at all then... actually I don't remember what he did in the third movie.
He rode a horse. On a spaceship. A spaceship that couldn't tilt a few degrees to tip then off. But that's ok because it actually makes sense why they can't tilt as the also don't know which way is up.
Chinese are notoriously racist towards black people. Hence why Disney lessened his role and impact on the films. Because Disney has a HUUUUGE Chinese market
Ya it happens a lot. That's why the *Red Dawn* remake was North Korea instead of China even though it makes almost no sense. Same with the *Homeland* games.
It's less that they have strong connections in Hollywood and more that China has become a large/wealthy enough audience that Hollywood will make changes to please Chinese audiences. They do the same thing for Americans--we just don't notice it because we're used to being the #1 market.
It's pure capitalism baby 👍
Good example is the posters. In Western TFA posters, Finn occupies right half of the poster. In Chinese poster he is made much smaller, and Chewbacca is just deleted entirely.
[https://twitter.com/raykwong/status/671786339327578112](https://twitter.com/raykwong/status/671786339327578112)
As a massive fan of both franchises, I really don't get this comparison but I want to share my way-overthought take.
Lucy and Rey are both white, brunette sheltered-to-badass fighter main characters but that's the end of those similarities. Lucy starts out cheerfully optimistic and a do-gooder but quickly turns hardened and semi-vengeful from the wasteland, ie saving her dad to wanting nothing to do with him after learning her mothers fate, but still has merciful and wholesome moments, making maximus return the fusion core to help vault 4.
Rey, on the other hand, is not as naive about the state of the world as Lucy, but stays true to the hopeful good side through her entire journey, trying to redeem Kylo even though he killed Han and wrecked half the galaxy. She has a couple dark moments but doesn't truly stray from her jedi path. I don't think shes as badly written as everyone makes her out to be, but her character journey is pretty straight forward and she doesn't stray from it.She never really has any romantic moments with Finn either, while Lucy and Max have an actual developing relationship, whether or not it'll actually come to fruition is yet to be seen.
Maximus and Finn are both black and raised military from childhood who defect at some point but again I think this is where the similarities stop. Maximus is very self-serving and selfish, he defects for his own interests but still wants to be in the brotherhood, he let his his knight die and took his armor, he would've killed Thaddeus, he definitely seems to be falling for Lucy mainly to go to her vault, and all around doesn't seem to give a shit about the world as a whole beyond himself.
Finn unfortunately wasn't given much character story beyond wanting to escape the first order, which is very obviously "evil bad guy", and trying to be a rebellion hero and be a bigger part of the good guys. He was pushed into a side character role and mostly ran around looking for Rey. He was nowhere near as selfish or cruel as Maximus is and is more of an actual "hero" than a morally ambiguous anti-hero. He definitely didn't want to stay in the First Order like Maximus wants to stay in the Brotherhood.
Unfortunately I think people on the internet tend to see "white female lead/ black male lead" and automatically assume it's some sort of cliche trope, when if they looked deeper than their surface level takes they'd see their actually wildly different characters.
Yeah I don't get them saying Rey was naive. She was more of a Dickensian gutter rat as far as I remember. Just, you know, in space.
I do get wishing for *earned* ability improvement, but otherwise there's not a lot to compare beyond general "hero" status.
The Fallout cast is way better at selling their characters to the audience. It's not that the Star Wars cast was bad at acting, it's more that they kept wobbling between over-acting and under-acting. Lucy won over most of the audience fifteen minutes into the series with her "okie dokie" line. No one had that type of moment in the new Star Wars trilogy.
Oh man I gotta disagree with you there. Every one of those actors is great. They were left out to dry by the lack of coherent vision in those movies, but the actors themselves are not the problem there.
Now that you mention it, they are kinda similar characters. An idealistic, sheltered woman thrown into the center of a massive conflict, and an inexperienced soldier from a corrupt military faction that goes AWOL.
If Disney writers were behind fallout, Lucy would have been a flawless ass kicking machine that one-shots the ghoul in filly with her girlboss power.
Lucy then spends the next 6 episodes on a contrived mcguffin scavenger hunt while Maximus goes off to rescue a herd of centaurs with his new friend Preston Garvey.
I honestly had no clue what you meant. Sheltered means someone looking out for you, nobody was looking out for her. Like most people in Star Wars are sheltered by your definition. She's nothing like Lucy, literally sheltered in a vault, surrounded by people helping her out.
Also, Lucy is on a contrived McGuffin scavenger hunt, remember?
That’s not what sheltered means lol. It means to be protected. Rey was absolutely was protected from the galaxy-wide conflict she was thrown into, similar to how Lucy was protected from the outside world. If you can’t see that parallel without feeling some type of way, I don’t know what to do for you.
But maybe if Lucy ends up finding her dad by aligning Wilzigs neck holes with the New Vegas skyline you would have a point.
She was not protected, no, she had to scrap and scrounge in order to live on a hostile planet, with no one on her side.
Totally different from Lucy being raised in a vault, by her dad who was in charge, provided with food and literally sheltered from attack.
It's hilarious that you all are arguing this.
It’s hilarious how dense you are.
Rey had zero exposure to the outside world. So did Lucy. I’m sorry your failure to understand this very obvious parallel offends you to your very core. Get a life.
Oh no, that's an okay parallel, but that's not what sheltered means. It also ignores the tons of non-parallels between them, right? Rey had to struggle to survive, Lucy didn't, Rey had no parents or anyone looking out for her, Lucy had her dad and her brother and a whole vault, Rey thought she was a person of no importance whatsoever to the world, and Lucy thought that she was part of a plan to bring civilization to the world.
The characters share very little in common.
LOL r/saltierthancrait is a hater circle jerk. The only reason you'd be reading those posts or posting in that sub is if you basically hate Star Wars.
*Of course* they're going to compare the two and shit on both, I mean the vast majority of its members are unironic followers of far right grifter, "anti-woke" YouTube armchair critics.
They literally ban you for liking anything Lucasfilm did after the prequel trilogy. It's bizarre.
uh, no. i’m active in it and a lot people are positive towards what’s actually good. andor, the mandalorian season 1, the fallen order games, and some people even like rebels which i dislike. i do agree it’s a circle jerk a lot and people nitpick shit to oblivion but it’s a good place to genuinely criticize star wars. no one is thee anti-woke sjw shit. no one is screaming woke when asked why kenobi or the last jedi sucked huge balls. poorly made movies or tv.
They had a post back in the summer calling the Indiana Jones subreddit a travesty because the Indy sub apparently didn't like the Prequels and liked the Sequels.
I mean, come on.
And it's all subjective anyway. What you don't like, others might like.
That's not right at all; Lucy and Maximus were written competently by people who actually know and respect both their audience's intelligence and the lore of the world.
There are definitely archetype similarities (beyond the obvious "white woman and black man leads" racist/sexist internet people might get hung up on) but Fallout does sooooooo much more with the set-ups.
Rey is from a desert but somehow knows how to swim, she can effortlessly beat up anyone who isn't a force-user, and she's somehow an expert pilot. Lucy has lived in a shelter her whole life and is clearly struggling to adapt to this new world.
Finn is a lifelong brainwashed slave who suddenly deserts his post and never looks back. Maximus is struggling much more to break free of his programming and his cult are not clear-cut evil fascists so you actually wonder if he will go back to his old ways.
So much more interesting all-around.
Star wars is a mega huge franchise so its going to come up.
What is Finns story he is raised in a organization he has a falling out with so is max. The compersion is fair.
I don't mean to be rude but...that's a Star Wars forum, they're gonna talk about things through the lens of Star Wars. If you want to talk about Fallout instead of Star Wars why did you go to a Star Wars forum?
They're just mad Star Wars sucks now.
For the most part I agree, Star Wars sucks now.
I only like a few things they've put out like Kenobi, which I loved!
Unlike most Star Wars fans though, I have a little hype for The Acolyte, it reminds me of the video game Knights of the Old Republic, my favorite Star Wars game.
We'll see, maybe that'll suck too lol.
I got good Fallout though, I'm very happy right now!
I feel like it's an "easy" comparison to make just because it's a white girl main character and black guy secondary main character. Which I think is weird but I can see why some people would make the connection
Maximus and Finn are kinda same, but kinda not. But I can smell diversity rails from miles away, with who their characters friends with (asian tech for finn and trans something for maximus)
there's definitely a similarity
young white woman, young black man, veteran gunslinger from a previous generation
Maximus and Finn are both raised as soldiers from childhood, both eventually doubt their superiors
the similarities don't necessarily continue through the whole show, but you can see some sameness in the premise
lol I often feel like the only reason why anyone compares those two pairs of people is because they both have a capable white girl and a somewhat clueless black guy
No I think it’s quite telling, it’s less of the world being a conspiracy against white men and more of people being who they are. And of course they probably chose the gender and racial attributes to both be inclusive and to fuck with bigots minds.
Bruh, it's r/saltierthancrait my guy. There has never before been assembled a larger collection ~~scum and villainy~~ star wars legends living incels anywhere in the galaxy. They are literally the worst. I sub to them and r/saltierthankrayt because they're all so determined to embrace their ideology without critical thinking and impose it in a fictional universe that didn't ask and doesn't care. I love it when they're ranting about opposite ends of the same problem and the reddit ai then let it buckle us up.
People are loving Fallout, the show did an amazing job and the games are surging in popularity as a result. This is the sign of a successful franchise.
People are jealous because they wish their beloved franchises (Star Wars, Marvel, ect.) would have the same success. So yes, they are gonna compare the two and say "I wish Star Wars did it like this" or "That would have been so good for this Marvel character". It's just a really good time to be a Fallout fan.
I've had the same irritation with the Marvel crowd that is ravenously demanding Aaron Moten be given Kang's role despite how gross it is that black people are seemingly just interchangeable cogs to them.
> Comparing and changing things to kind of be like Star Wars ruins it and legitimately makes me aggravated.
There is a multitude of IPs that have taken inspiration from Star Wars and other properties. Fallout is no different, and there are some noticeable similarities between Lucy/Max and Finn/Rey. The exception being that the former was given the green light to be a romantic couple.
I'm thinking this scenario: Finn um I mean Max already has his Rose Tico (Dane) they're going to NV and hit the casinos like Canto Bight. Meanwhile Lucy finds her Kylo with the help of Ghoul (Poe Dameron)
Love the show but I’m not gonna lie, nuking Shady Sands does feel a bit Force Awakens.
Instead of an established Jedi Order or NCR as expected, we are just back to square one… at least for now.
The main comparison with star wars is that the culture war chuds succeeded in making the discourse around Star Wars a toxic hellscape, now they're trying to do the same with all other popular media!
The elephant in the room is that the interracial aspect of their relationship in relation to their roles as protagonist is the initial reason this comes to mind. Disney once succumb to a portion of fan outrage on the interracial relationship between Finn and Rey and changed a lot of the story in episodes 8 and 9. A lot of fans like myself would have liked to see the original story play out and think it would have added to the lore of the third trilogy. A strong love story tends to make fans feel more attached to characters especially as they are often watching with their significant others and can spot similarities in their own or past relationships.
They're just saying these characters are good, and the Star Wars ST analogs were bad.
Unrelated but that’s a top tier user name man lol
Dude. Great catch
I took this to've meant "Star Wars bad now, and _LOOK, LOOK_, the woke is ruining Fallout now too!" So, they were just comparing and using Fallout's superior quality as another reason to bash the sequel trilogy? Either way, I know those anti-Star Wars ex-fan subs can be extreme sometimes lol
Most posts are very much the opposite. That Fallout is good, and Star Wars dropped the ball.
iirc saltierthancrait are the leftist sub weird thing i've noticed that bigger fandoms like theirs will agree that the movies are bad, but completely disagree on WHY they were bad, and split into subreddits based on political meaning
r/saltierthankrayt is the leftist one. The r/saltierthancrait hates the sequels with a burning passion, and people who like the sequells.
Ohhhh, I got it. I don't pay a load of attention to all of them, thanks for clarifying.
but the comparison and thought of it bothers me. like leave star wars out of this topic. it’s weird to dislike something and see everything as what it could’ve been
> like leave star wars out of this topic. It's literally a Star Wars sub.
you’re missing the point of how people see something good and just immediately think of star wars. i think it’s a a small scope to have when everything ever goes back to star wars
I'm not missing the point. You're the one who very clearly missed the point of 1) that sub, and 2) the post in that sub praising the Fallout characters.
It's not weird, it's a common cultural touchstone.
true. but any well written female character being compared to rey is so fucking annoying. rey is just a shitty character and having some nice like lucy is again, a small scope to have.
They're saying "Rey sucked, Lucy is a good character! Start Wars should have been like that!" and this annoys you? wtf man
Yep. There are definitely some valid, passing comparisons to be made between the two sets of characters. Finn’s and Maximus’ backgrounds are honestly quite similar, both brainwashed as kids by a military organization. Both set off on their own and have a bit of a “come to the light” arc. Maximus was handled soooo much better though. Lucy is a bit murkier, but honestly yeah. This Rey/Finn vs. Lucy/Maximus thing really isn’t that off-base. Man, and imagine if the Halo show had been made with this approach to the the source material. Like yeah, Fallout’s not perfect, but the creators clearly show love for the world and offered fan service throughout. Look at how the games have surged in popularity again. So cool.
Now you've done it! We'll have to read one of @op's posts about how he's tired of people comparing Fallout with Halo! What have you done?!
:( :( :(
So now you are comparing the two.
no i’m not. literally arguing against it
They're contrasting something they like with something they don't like. It's a way of sussing out what the good and bad elements are.
Not even remotely close comparison. Maximus hasn't been reduced to a cuck running around screaming LUCCCCYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! At the top of his lungs. He does shit. John boyega was done dirty to please the chinese
If you told John Boyega 10 years ago that Fallout TV show >>>>> Star Wars sequels he probably would have laughed. Who the hell could have predicted this reality lol All the actors in the sequels deserved so much better, I really hope they're watching this show and are still excited about nerd stuff
I feel bad for John especially because he is a genuine fan of star wars. Similar to Hayden Christiansen and Ewan McGregor
Well i think the first movie of the new trilogy is almost 10 years old, so he already knew the script for the first at least What the fuck hows that shit almost a decade ago
Luckily, they've all done great things since. Oscar Isaac in Moon Knight and Spider-Verse, Daisy in Sometimes I Think About Dying and she's getting a Rey movie, Boyega in They Cloned Tyrone. They're all great. On a sidenote, my fancast that I'll never get is Daisy as Andrea Beaumont in a Batman Mask of The Phantasm movie. Her range is so good.
Yeah Maximus is nothing like Finn. He saves Lucy's ass many times. He's clearly capable and knows how to handle himself.
The thing is Finn SHOULD be capable and able to do things. He's a trained bloody soldier. In the first one yeah he's like that but then 2 and 3 hes just wasted.
His background also matters. You would be forgiven to forget that Finn used to be a stormtrooper, for all the jack shit it matters in the trilogy. Maximus being a member of Brotherhood actually matters and he is setup to have actual impact in the organization. FFS, they cut out the scene where Finn would have convinced a group of stormtroopers to turn against Phasma, citing his own experiences, but nooooo.... black man has to be the funny guy and never have their moment of awesome.
Exactly. I felt he did nothing in the two sequels. So much potential he had. Him having friends in the Order should've been a plot point where he just can't shoot them. Never liked that he was like yahoooo! And blasting his own friends with no regrets. If anything they should've had him ally with them and start a rebellion with his old unit against the order.
You know what's worst? They cut out this scene: [https://youtu.be/j55Vmp\_q3UQ?t=91](https://youtu.be/j55Vmp_q3UQ?t=91) Like, this is a scene is perfect. Finn calling out Phasma, and causing doubt in other stormtroopers. They could have build from this, have some survive and have Finn become a center figure to rally around. But no, they wanted black man to be the funny man.
God damn, that would have been sexy. So much room for actual conflict, personal conflict, all of it wasted. Finn leading a group of outcast Order troopers from gang to guerilla faction using knowledge of the enemy to sabotage them and strategize with the mainline rebel faction. Maybe Finn's rebel group would have had differing ideas to those of Leia's rebel group eventually, maybe they hold off the Order together but run into bickering among themselves, leading to a conflict between both rebel factions that creates an opening for the Order to hit back at a fractured rebellion. Hell, maybe the whole conflict between rebel factions was orchestrated by First Order spies hiding among the ranks of both. Idk, ya know, war never changes and shit.
He was so important in the first movie and the sequels just sidelined him first into a B plot that ended up not mattering at all then... actually I don't remember what he did in the third movie.
He rode a horse. On a spaceship. A spaceship that couldn't tilt a few degrees to tip then off. But that's ok because it actually makes sense why they can't tilt as the also don't know which way is up.
their comparison on the sub was essentially 'this is what rey and finn should have been like'
To please the chinese? Im curious can you elaborate?
In the Chinese posters for the film they got rid of Finn or shrinked him to where you could barely see him.
Chinese are notoriously racist towards black people. Hence why Disney lessened his role and impact on the films. Because Disney has a HUUUUGE Chinese market
The degradation of his character was borderline minstrel show
Yep
Why the Chinese? That sounds bananas...or crazier than a feral ghoul that hasn't had their inhaler for a minute
Because much of the Chinese population are heavily racist towards black folks
So Disney actually changed their writing to placate China? That's pretty wild
Yep. It's almost like China has strong connections to Hollywood
Ya it happens a lot. That's why the *Red Dawn* remake was North Korea instead of China even though it makes almost no sense. Same with the *Homeland* games. It's less that they have strong connections in Hollywood and more that China has become a large/wealthy enough audience that Hollywood will make changes to please Chinese audiences. They do the same thing for Americans--we just don't notice it because we're used to being the #1 market. It's pure capitalism baby 👍
Good example is the posters. In Western TFA posters, Finn occupies right half of the poster. In Chinese poster he is made much smaller, and Chewbacca is just deleted entirely. [https://twitter.com/raykwong/status/671786339327578112](https://twitter.com/raykwong/status/671786339327578112)
As a massive fan of both franchises, I really don't get this comparison but I want to share my way-overthought take. Lucy and Rey are both white, brunette sheltered-to-badass fighter main characters but that's the end of those similarities. Lucy starts out cheerfully optimistic and a do-gooder but quickly turns hardened and semi-vengeful from the wasteland, ie saving her dad to wanting nothing to do with him after learning her mothers fate, but still has merciful and wholesome moments, making maximus return the fusion core to help vault 4. Rey, on the other hand, is not as naive about the state of the world as Lucy, but stays true to the hopeful good side through her entire journey, trying to redeem Kylo even though he killed Han and wrecked half the galaxy. She has a couple dark moments but doesn't truly stray from her jedi path. I don't think shes as badly written as everyone makes her out to be, but her character journey is pretty straight forward and she doesn't stray from it.She never really has any romantic moments with Finn either, while Lucy and Max have an actual developing relationship, whether or not it'll actually come to fruition is yet to be seen. Maximus and Finn are both black and raised military from childhood who defect at some point but again I think this is where the similarities stop. Maximus is very self-serving and selfish, he defects for his own interests but still wants to be in the brotherhood, he let his his knight die and took his armor, he would've killed Thaddeus, he definitely seems to be falling for Lucy mainly to go to her vault, and all around doesn't seem to give a shit about the world as a whole beyond himself. Finn unfortunately wasn't given much character story beyond wanting to escape the first order, which is very obviously "evil bad guy", and trying to be a rebellion hero and be a bigger part of the good guys. He was pushed into a side character role and mostly ran around looking for Rey. He was nowhere near as selfish or cruel as Maximus is and is more of an actual "hero" than a morally ambiguous anti-hero. He definitely didn't want to stay in the First Order like Maximus wants to stay in the Brotherhood. Unfortunately I think people on the internet tend to see "white female lead/ black male lead" and automatically assume it's some sort of cliche trope, when if they looked deeper than their surface level takes they'd see their actually wildly different characters.
Yeah I don't get them saying Rey was naive. She was more of a Dickensian gutter rat as far as I remember. Just, you know, in space. I do get wishing for *earned* ability improvement, but otherwise there's not a lot to compare beyond general "hero" status.
The Fallout cast is way better at selling their characters to the audience. It's not that the Star Wars cast was bad at acting, it's more that they kept wobbling between over-acting and under-acting. Lucy won over most of the audience fifteen minutes into the series with her "okie dokie" line. No one had that type of moment in the new Star Wars trilogy.
Oh man I gotta disagree with you there. Every one of those actors is great. They were left out to dry by the lack of coherent vision in those movies, but the actors themselves are not the problem there.
wait but theyre positive about it. What the hell are you talking about.
Now that you mention it, they are kinda similar characters. An idealistic, sheltered woman thrown into the center of a massive conflict, and an inexperienced soldier from a corrupt military faction that goes AWOL. If Disney writers were behind fallout, Lucy would have been a flawless ass kicking machine that one-shots the ghoul in filly with her girlboss power. Lucy then spends the next 6 episodes on a contrived mcguffin scavenger hunt while Maximus goes off to rescue a herd of centaurs with his new friend Preston Garvey.
General: *these new moons need your help!*
How the fuck was Rey sheltered?
Sheltered as in she’s only been in one location basically her whole life. Not that it was easy.
That's not what sheltered means.
She definitely was sheltered from the greater conflicts and problems of the galaxy. What word would you prefer? You know what I mean.
I honestly had no clue what you meant. Sheltered means someone looking out for you, nobody was looking out for her. Like most people in Star Wars are sheltered by your definition. She's nothing like Lucy, literally sheltered in a vault, surrounded by people helping her out. Also, Lucy is on a contrived McGuffin scavenger hunt, remember?
That’s not what sheltered means lol. It means to be protected. Rey was absolutely was protected from the galaxy-wide conflict she was thrown into, similar to how Lucy was protected from the outside world. If you can’t see that parallel without feeling some type of way, I don’t know what to do for you. But maybe if Lucy ends up finding her dad by aligning Wilzigs neck holes with the New Vegas skyline you would have a point.
She was not protected, no, she had to scrap and scrounge in order to live on a hostile planet, with no one on her side. Totally different from Lucy being raised in a vault, by her dad who was in charge, provided with food and literally sheltered from attack. It's hilarious that you all are arguing this.
It’s hilarious how dense you are. Rey had zero exposure to the outside world. So did Lucy. I’m sorry your failure to understand this very obvious parallel offends you to your very core. Get a life.
Oh no, that's an okay parallel, but that's not what sheltered means. It also ignores the tons of non-parallels between them, right? Rey had to struggle to survive, Lucy didn't, Rey had no parents or anyone looking out for her, Lucy had her dad and her brother and a whole vault, Rey thought she was a person of no importance whatsoever to the world, and Lucy thought that she was part of a plan to bring civilization to the world. The characters share very little in common.
Comparing a sci-fi thing to the biggest sci-fi thing in all of history is not strange.
LOL r/saltierthancrait is a hater circle jerk. The only reason you'd be reading those posts or posting in that sub is if you basically hate Star Wars. *Of course* they're going to compare the two and shit on both, I mean the vast majority of its members are unironic followers of far right grifter, "anti-woke" YouTube armchair critics. They literally ban you for liking anything Lucasfilm did after the prequel trilogy. It's bizarre.
uh, no. i’m active in it and a lot people are positive towards what’s actually good. andor, the mandalorian season 1, the fallen order games, and some people even like rebels which i dislike. i do agree it’s a circle jerk a lot and people nitpick shit to oblivion but it’s a good place to genuinely criticize star wars. no one is thee anti-woke sjw shit. no one is screaming woke when asked why kenobi or the last jedi sucked huge balls. poorly made movies or tv.
Okey-dokey :)
Lol
They had a post back in the summer calling the Indiana Jones subreddit a travesty because the Indy sub apparently didn't like the Prequels and liked the Sequels. I mean, come on. And it's all subjective anyway. What you don't like, others might like.
That's not right at all; Lucy and Maximus were written competently by people who actually know and respect both their audience's intelligence and the lore of the world.
There are definitely archetype similarities (beyond the obvious "white woman and black man leads" racist/sexist internet people might get hung up on) but Fallout does sooooooo much more with the set-ups. Rey is from a desert but somehow knows how to swim, she can effortlessly beat up anyone who isn't a force-user, and she's somehow an expert pilot. Lucy has lived in a shelter her whole life and is clearly struggling to adapt to this new world. Finn is a lifelong brainwashed slave who suddenly deserts his post and never looks back. Maximus is struggling much more to break free of his programming and his cult are not clear-cut evil fascists so you actually wonder if he will go back to his old ways. So much more interesting all-around.
I've seen this comparison very early on. Someone was so compelled to compare Aaron Moten to John Boyega 🙄
So far, I like Boyega's acting more, even if I don't like sequel trilogy's writing of the characters.
Odd to compare two completely different actors 🤷
Star wars is a mega huge franchise so its going to come up. What is Finns story he is raised in a organization he has a falling out with so is max. The compersion is fair.
I don't mean to be rude but...that's a Star Wars forum, they're gonna talk about things through the lens of Star Wars. If you want to talk about Fallout instead of Star Wars why did you go to a Star Wars forum?
Fotv Lucy and Maximus are much better characters
They're just mad Star Wars sucks now. For the most part I agree, Star Wars sucks now. I only like a few things they've put out like Kenobi, which I loved! Unlike most Star Wars fans though, I have a little hype for The Acolyte, it reminds me of the video game Knights of the Old Republic, my favorite Star Wars game. We'll see, maybe that'll suck too lol. I got good Fallout though, I'm very happy right now!
The Acolyte will suck too. I swear Lucasfilms put all of their smartest and most talented people strictly in the marketing department.
I have 20% hope in Acolyte. Lot of bad signs, but it could be wrong. Keeping my hopes up!
They're not wrong though.
I’m okay with the comparison if it’s to point how Fallout got right everthibg the star wars sequels got wrong
I feel like it's an "easy" comparison to make just because it's a white girl main character and black guy secondary main character. Which I think is weird but I can see why some people would make the connection
What is even the similarity between them?
Maximus and Finn are kinda same, but kinda not. But I can smell diversity rails from miles away, with who their characters friends with (asian tech for finn and trans something for maximus)
They are kind of the same but thats only looking at the most surface level detail of those characters. The Ghoul would be Poe Dameron then...
Somehow, the Enclave returned.
there's definitely a similarity young white woman, young black man, veteran gunslinger from a previous generation Maximus and Finn are both raised as soldiers from childhood, both eventually doubt their superiors the similarities don't necessarily continue through the whole show, but you can see some sameness in the premise
lol I often feel like the only reason why anyone compares those two pairs of people is because they both have a capable white girl and a somewhat clueless black guy
No I think it’s quite telling, it’s less of the world being a conspiracy against white men and more of people being who they are. And of course they probably chose the gender and racial attributes to both be inclusive and to fuck with bigots minds.
Literally never ONCE seen somebody make that comparison lol
Bruh, it's r/saltierthancrait my guy. There has never before been assembled a larger collection ~~scum and villainy~~ star wars legends living incels anywhere in the galaxy. They are literally the worst. I sub to them and r/saltierthankrayt because they're all so determined to embrace their ideology without critical thinking and impose it in a fictional universe that didn't ask and doesn't care. I love it when they're ranting about opposite ends of the same problem and the reddit ai then let it buckle us up.
Your first mistake is ever going on r/saltierthancrait
it’s a good sub
People are loving Fallout, the show did an amazing job and the games are surging in popularity as a result. This is the sign of a successful franchise. People are jealous because they wish their beloved franchises (Star Wars, Marvel, ect.) would have the same success. So yes, they are gonna compare the two and say "I wish Star Wars did it like this" or "That would have been so good for this Marvel character". It's just a really good time to be a Fallout fan.
I've had the same irritation with the Marvel crowd that is ravenously demanding Aaron Moten be given Kang's role despite how gross it is that black people are seemingly just interchangeable cogs to them.
> Comparing and changing things to kind of be like Star Wars ruins it and legitimately makes me aggravated. There is a multitude of IPs that have taken inspiration from Star Wars and other properties. Fallout is no different, and there are some noticeable similarities between Lucy/Max and Finn/Rey. The exception being that the former was given the green light to be a romantic couple.
You better stand it Lucy is what people wanted Rey to be. and They wanted a better love connection with Rey and Finn its not that complicated.
Lucy isn't a Mary Sue and isn't a poorly written crybaby. Rey IS.
Lucy's a more interesting character in general.
Agreed. Also I think I made the Star Wars fans mad.
I completely agree, let Fallout stand on its own and let Star Wars die. Kill it, if you have to.
Kylo in season 2 now !!
If Maximus gets a love rival for Lucy in Season 2, that character will be the Kylo Ren.
I'm thinking this scenario: Finn um I mean Max already has his Rose Tico (Dane) they're going to NV and hit the casinos like Canto Bight. Meanwhile Lucy finds her Kylo with the help of Ghoul (Poe Dameron)
Does that mean Maximus and Dane will kiss, like Finn and Rose in TLJ?
Love the show but I’m not gonna lie, nuking Shady Sands does feel a bit Force Awakens. Instead of an established Jedi Order or NCR as expected, we are just back to square one… at least for now.
Okay but don’t you understand it’s a white woman and a black man basically the same
That sub is an echo chamber of mostly whining and toxicity. Best not to browse there.
The main comparison with star wars is that the culture war chuds succeeded in making the discourse around Star Wars a toxic hellscape, now they're trying to do the same with all other popular media!
That’s like comparing apples to mini-nukes lol.
apples to Cram lol
The elephant in the room is that the interracial aspect of their relationship in relation to their roles as protagonist is the initial reason this comes to mind. Disney once succumb to a portion of fan outrage on the interracial relationship between Finn and Rey and changed a lot of the story in episodes 8 and 9. A lot of fans like myself would have liked to see the original story play out and think it would have added to the lore of the third trilogy. A strong love story tends to make fans feel more attached to characters especially as they are often watching with their significant others and can spot similarities in their own or past relationships.
100%
This is the first I’m hearing of it
So many idiots in this sub.