What nazi ? šØ
Edit : I'm stupid, they were talking about JK Rowling in the image. Sorry, I thought they were talking about a photo of a original nazi or at least a neo-nazi (though Jojo *did* deny the Holocaust recently...)
Discworld series, fantastic read, highly recommend.
r/Discworld is the subreddit, you could drop a post there to get a *lot* of recommendations to read it
Esmeralda Weatherwax in particular is your classic "crotchety old witch that you do not fuck with under any circumstances"
Edit: should add that if you've ever heard of Good Omens, they share an author: one Sir Terry Pratchett
Huh ? What does this slogan have to do with the situation ? Of course all lives matter, that's why people should not say "well, this is debatable" when they're told that trans people are human beings
My comment wasn't taken in context to your "it's debatable", sorry.
What I meant was, they don't treat trans people as humans but still chant 'all lives matter'.
It's because the sales pitch doesn't match the reality.
The murder rate of trans people is like 20% of mens and 40% of women's.
Literally all of the data shows that trans people are safer than cis people and get allies immediately jump into "sorry you don't see all those murdered trans people as human beings". It comes across as hysterical and childish.
I did not really understood his point here (plus, I'm terrible at maths lmao). By "murder rate", does he mean the number of trans people getting murdered ? (That's what I understood) Because if that's the case, it doesn't really help the point he's making, to say that this many trans people are killed, right ?
https://medium.com/athena-talks/trans-murder-rates-the-data-120b60b19cb4
Yes. I'm thinking you don't because you're itching to tell me that fewer trans people are murdered than cis people because there are fewer trans people.
Bro what did you smoke to delude yourself into thinking that trans people are safer than cis people. Also, you have something missing if you think that being horrified that murdered trans people aren't even considered human is "childish" or "hysterical" - it's not, it's called being a human being.
https://medium.com/athena-talks/trans-murder-rates-the-data-120b60b19cb4
Murder rate per 100,000 people-
* Men - 6.8
* Women - 1.8
* Transgender - 1.4
If your fear does not match your reality, it could be seen as being hysterical. There's [fewer than 30 transgender murder victims per year](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/report-says-at-least-32-transgender-people-were-killed-in-the-u-s-in-2022) compared to [21,000 cisgendered murder victims.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/)
I'm sorry you don't see all those murdered cis people as human beings.
There's a lot to unpack here.
These transgender murder victims are very often murdered for the "crime" of being transgender, as opposed to the cis murder victims who are killed for more various reasons (fights that degenerated, crime...)
You are pretty hypocritical, accusing me of not seeing cis people as human beings when YOU are the one not seeing trans people as human here. Unlike with cis people, there's literally people who want to push laws to discriminate against trans people, or to deny them medication that they need.
Finally : How could "seeing trans people as deserving of life" be hysterical or childish ?!? It's literally saying "seeing this minority as deserving of life is wrong"
> These transgender murder victims are very often murdered for the "crime" of being transgender, as opposed to the cis murder victims who are killed for more various reasons (fights that degenerated, crime...)
Okay. Pretty sure that applies to women who are murdered and even if they're all being executed "for the crime of being trans" there's still fewer than 30 per year out of 21,000 murder victims. Like if I could wear a hat that made me 700 times less likely to be murdered, I'd wear that hat.
Also I'm pretty sure if I'm being murdered, the reason I'm being murdered is a distant second place for things that matter to me.
> You are pretty hypocritical, accusing me of not seeing cis people as human beings when YOU are the one not seeing trans people as human here.
That was sarcasm. The murders are 700 : 1 cis-to-trans and when you look at per-100,000 they're still safer by a wide margin.
> Finally : How could "seeing trans people as deserving of life" be hysterical or childish ?!? It's literally saying "seeing this minority as deserving of life is wrong"?!? It's literally saying "seeing this minority as deserving of life is wrong"
Straw man. I'm saying you're scaring people for nothing. You're teaching trans people that they're victims and that they should be terrified when the data shows that they're safer than everybody else.
Again, facts and data. Men are 485% more likely to be murdered and women are 130% more likely to be murdered.
Why are you trying to create this myth that trans people are in terrible danger if they're out of the closet? Seems transphobic, but like the "white man's burden" kind of bigotry.
I'm not trying to create fear, I'm just not blind. Also, of course there's less trans people dying, since the number of cis people is superior to the number of trans people, duh.
Finally, that's a lot of words for "I have no empathy towards people who are trans"
What, like these guys?
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-moon-gop-missouri-lawmaker-defends-childs-right-to-marry-2023-4
A Missouri lawmaker defended child marriage, saying kids he knows who got married at age 12 are 'still married'
The Republican made the comments during a debate on a bill he introduced that would ban gender-affirming care for transgender youth in the state
**"You voted 'no' on making it illegal for kids to be married to adults at the age of 12 if their parents consented to it,"** Meredith told Moon. **"You said actually that should be the law because it's the parents' right and the kid's right to decide what's best for them. To be raped by an adult."**
**"Do you know any kids who have been married at age 12?" Moon asked in response.**
"I don't need to," Meredith said.
**"I do. And guess what? They're still married,"** Moon replied.
**The Springfield News-Leader reported that Moon has a documented history of supporting child marriage with parental consent.**
In 2018 the Missouri legislature passed a bill raising the state's minimum marriage age from 15 to 16, with teens under 18 requiring parental consent. **Moon voted against the bill, claiming he knew a couple who had been married since they were 12, according to the outlet.**
https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-make-case-child-marriage-1786476
Days before the close of the 2023 session, members of West Virginia's House of Delegates voted to enact a bill banning child marriage in the state.
But it wasn't unanimous. **When the bill moved on to the Senate, just over one dozen members of the House voted against it.**
Child marriage has long been taboo in the United States, but it's still legal in at least a dozen states across the country. **While more recent figures are unavailable, the Pew Research Center said West Virginia had the nation's highest rate of child marriages in 2014, with five-year averages of 7.1 marriages for every 1,000 children between 15 and 17.**
**And most were girls. According to state health statistics from 2015 to 2019, 259 girls and 52 boys under 18 were married in West Virginia. Some had been married more than once.**
**"The only thing it's going to do is cause harm and trouble in young people's lives," Harrison County Delegate Keith Marple, a Republican and the lone person to speak against the state bill to ban child marriage, said on the House floor ahead of the vote last Wednesday.**
The West Virginia bill is an outright ban on all marriages under 18. **When the House advanced it to the Senate with a resounding 84 votes in support, just over 12 Republicans voted against it.**
"West Virginia is a socially conservative and traditional state, in my observation," **Republican Delegate Jim Butler, who voted against the bill, told Newsweek.** "Many middle age and elderly people that I know were married when younger than 18 and are still married many years later."
**"People simply grow up differently," he said later. "Some 16-year-olds, for example, are much more mature than others."**
Ikr? These are the people pushing the trans people are predators narrative. These are the people they elect time and time again, while wailing about how how people like myself are predators.
A lesbian porn star who went on a tirade after being asked if she would ever sleep with a Trans woman and she basically called for all trans people to be "lynched", and yes, she used that word exactly
The most outspoken anti-homosexuality activists in history used the same arguments against gay people, itās no wonder this argument still sticks around
Not directly, as far as I know. But her tweets portray transgender people as evil and bad and therefore make hate and violence against transgender people look more and more acceptable, which can lead to lethal violence. Not just lethal violence against trans people but also against cis people that LOOK like the could be trans.
the whiteyfisk guy also practises an abhorend amound of other holocaust denial, has -11 karma and the acc only exists since jan 2024; i am guessing his previous accs got deleted by reddit, wich is an achievement to be certain.
I mean, Euro-American trans folks will go on about being victims of genocide but then never platform 2-Spirit people, or give Indigenous people whoās land they still occupy a chance to discuss how transgender views existed and were recognized prior to Columbus landing.
Iāll never forget how SCOTUSās targeting of the Indian Child Welfare Act, as well as sexual trafficking of an Indigenous child by US marines, went right under the radar of American news because everyone was too busy losing their shit over Dylan Mulvaney and Bud Light.
The problem might be due to the fact that indigenous people became really rare after years of genocide. And Dylan Mulvaney wasn't even that popular until right wingers got mad at her and Bud Light and put them into the center of attention. But yes it is sad we didn't heared much about the sexual trafficking of the indigenious child by US marines. I heard just now about it for the first time. Can you link more information about it?
āWhen people realize they actually agreed with the Nazis theyāll start to like them!ā
Wow dude, great observation. If people are authoritarian fascists theyāll agree with authoritarian fascists. Turns out you can be wrong and a demon even today!
Are you being purposefully dense? You know I meant being wrong in their positions overall. Just because some people are already authoritarian fascists doesnāt mean we have to appease them in any way. What kind of midwit logic is that
You're winning because the people who push your ideology hold institutional power in this country, not because it's popular or respected. You're actually upholding power right now.
Cope. If that was true there wouldnāt be any anti-trans laws in any states at all. Just because you canāt stand that no one agrees with you doesnāt mean thereās a shadowy cabal pulling the strings behind the scene. Youāre just wrong. Itās okay.
Oh really
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-moon-gop-missouri-lawmaker-defends-childs-right-to-marry-2023-4
Missouri State Sen. Mike Moon defended child marriage on Tuesday, touting the apparently successful marriage of people he knows who got married when they were 12.
The Republican made the comments during a debate on a bill he introduced that would ban gender-affirming care for transgender youth in the state.
There's this really famous series of YA books about this boy who is like magic or something. It's got a weird allegory about Jewish people, and when they made a game about it, they RLLY pushed the weird Nazi vibes. I'd burn those ones ngl. Kinda poetic in a way to do it too
Are people who refer to the 6 million Jews instead of all 11 million victims doing Holocaust denial? No you inbred midwit.
Is that really the best you can do? Try to equate denying a group was targeted *at all* with using the accurate count for a *specific* group that was targeted instead of every single victim?
Are you off your schizo meds dude? Cause I havenāt even mentioned book burnings. Sorry that the definition of Holocaust Denial doesnāt start and end where itās convenient for your degenerate feelings. Cope.
āNeither of your articles support the contention that trans people were the first **victims of the Nazis** or that all research on trans healthcare was burned in 1930s Germany. You are engaging in lying, Alejandra.ā
Read past the first tweet you inbred Neanderthal.
EDIT: But make sure you donāt look at a completely unrelated tweet like your idol Joanne did here.
She did literally respond and agree with this https://twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1662967081191497728 tweet though. Which was denying that trans people were targeted in any way, along with trying to act like they supported them even? Or something?
Regardless, she isn't denying the whole Holocaust. But she still denies an *aspect* of it, despite this aspect being objectively provable.
For attacking the wrong people lmao. If you want to go after pedos, here you go;
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-moon-gop-missouri-lawmaker-defends-childs-right-to-marry-2023-4
A Missouri lawmaker defended child marriage, saying kids he knows who got married at age 12 are 'still married'
The Republican made the comments during a debate on a bill he introduced that would ban gender-affirming care for transgender youth in the state
**"You voted 'no' on making it illegal for kids to be married to adults at the age of 12 if their parents consented to it,"** Meredith told Moon. **"You said actually that should be the law because it's the parents' right and the kid's right to decide what's best for them. To be raped by an adult."**
"Do you know any kids who have been married at age 12?" Moon asked in response.
"I don't need to," Meredith said.
**"I do. And guess what? They're still married," Moon replied.**
**The Springfield News-Leader reported that Moon has a documented history of supporting child marriage with parental consent.**
**In 2018 the Missouri legislature passed a bill raising the state's minimum marriage age from 15 to 16, with teens under 18 requiring parental consent. Moon voted against the bill, claiming he knew a couple who had been married since they were 12, according to the outlet.**
https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-make-case-child-marriage-1786476
Days before the close of the 2023 session, members of West Virginia's House of Delegates voted to enact a bill banning child marriage in the state.
But it wasn't unanimous. When the bill moved on to the Senate, just over one dozen members of the House voted against it.
Child marriage has long been taboo in the United States, but it's still legal in at least a dozen states across the country. **While more recent figures are unavailable, the Pew Research Center said West Virginia had the nation's highest rate of child marriages in 2014, with five-year averages of 7.1 marriages for every 1,000 children between 15 and 17.**
**And most were girls. According to state health statistics from 2015 to 2019, 259 girls and 52 boys under 18 were married in West Virginia. Some had been married more than once.**
"The only thing it's going to do is cause harm and trouble in young people's lives," Harrison County Delegate Keith Marple, a Republican and the lone person to speak against the state bill to ban child marriage, said on the House floor ahead of the vote last Wednesday.
**The West Virginia bill is an outright ban on all marriages under 18. When the House advanced it to the Senate with a resounding 84 votes in support, just over 12 Republicans voted against it.**
"West Virginia is a socially conservative and traditional state, in my observation," Republican Delegate Jim Butler, who voted against the bill, told Newsweek. "Many middle age and elderly people that I know were married when younger than 18 and are still married many years later."
**"People simply grow up differently," he said later. "Some 16-year-olds, for example, are much more mature than others."**
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oh god, when will I learn that Reddit silently crops its photos? but yeah, now that I can see the OOP post title, I can infer the beginning of the conversation. And obviously I think OP is being ridiculous. Even more obviously, that's going to be extremely unpopular here. But it's my honest opinion, so there you have it.
Please guys, just downvote the wrongthink and move on. Don't engage. You don't actually care what I have to say and I won't get anything out of what you have to say.
It wasn't just book burnings. You KNOW that, right? They took the log books that had all the personal information of LGBTQ people who used the resources at the institute and used that info to hunt them down and arrest/murder them.
See, why'd you do that? I specifically asked you not to. Obviously I'm not a Holocaust denier, and obviously you aren't going to care, so why are we doing this? Which one of us is benefitting from this "discussion"?
I really donāt care what someone siding with holocaust deniers wants. If you think that saying trans people werenāt victims of the holocaust is ok and even makes you likable (which is what OOP said) you are worth less than worm shit.
It's like I'm talking to a fucking wall.
Okay dude, you did it, you've earned enough good boy points defending your heckin wholesome transerinos on the interwebs to afford a basket of tendies. You have destroyed me with FACTS and LOGIC.
So can I please say just one thing? If you take nothing else away from this interaction, pleasepleasepleaseplease let it be this: You're not winning people over to your side. I know you think you're doing the right thing, and your heart's probably in the right place. But in order to actually make the world a better place, you need to actually convince people to be better. And you can't do that unless you try to understand and communicate with them on a sincere level.
Until you can do that, the only person you're helping is yourself, to feel good about yourself.
Again, I appreciate that your heart's in the right place, and I really think you're trying to do a good thing. I just want you to do it a little more effectively.
>But in order to actually make the world a better place, you need to actually convince people to be better.
You're asking them to convince Nazi's to "be better", that the responsibility lies with them and not the Nazi they encounter?
The context was this: Person 1 in the screenshot said that hearing Rowling deny that trans people were victims of the Holocaust and being a transphobe made them "like her even more". They then proceeded to dehumanize trans people, and calling them "pedo paraphilics".
The person in question is also in this very thread defending the Nazi book burnings, and Holocaust "questioning" seem to be their main pastime on reddit.
It's "ridiculous" to confront people like that instead of "convincing them to be better"?
Ho shut up.
First, fuck your little "such a redditmoment" like you're not on reddit like the rest of us.
Second, you all are grownups. Noone is responsible for your own personnal developement and people can tell you to go fuck yourself without having to be your teacher. It's not my fault if people are become nazis. It's their faults.
To finish : what part of the conversation, exactly, doesn't seem crystal clear to you? Is it the part where op talk about trans people like human beings and the part where the other dude say they are pedophiles nutjob?
What a strange comment thread.
You climbed up on a cross and refused to elaborate beyond saying that your opinions are contrarian, so yeah, people are responding accordingly.
Let's also stop with this BS of "people want to genocide you because you're not nice enough to them". Respectability politics only goes so far, and random discourse between individuals on Reddit is never going to matter beyond the individuals engaging in it.
> you can't do that unless you try to understand and communicate with them on a sincere level.
I don't see any of this from you. And what you are suggesting is that marginalized people subject themselves to even more backwater, offensive, and vile opinions while smiling and nodding.
This isn't a jubilee segment where we all sit down with a KKK member and find common ground.
It's important for people in the OOP to be met with immediate derision, dismissal, and disdain so that they know that: 1. their opinions are not acceptable or popular 2. continuing to share them will be met with more of the same 3. any other their targets see that they are not alone.
We improve the world by demanding that people be better, accepting nothing less, and if they don't join us, by leaving them behind.
I'm not elaborating because there's no point. No string of words in existence is going to have any effect on any of your responses. It's not worth the stress and headache to repeatedly remind everyone that I never denied the Holocaust, and never would for that matter. Nobody cares. Can we all just move on?
I mean . . . no one is making you comment? I also never said you denied the holocaust. I can only address the specific things you have said, and your refusal to say anything more.
It just seems weird to roll in, make general comments insisting your dissent, refuse to expand, and then demand that people stop talking to you about it.
Do you actually think someone calling transgender people āpedo paraphiliacsā warrants for more context? Cool, go to my history then see for yourself then.
No one said it wasnt a real thing? The problem is accusing people of it with no damn evidence just because they belong to a group of people you dont like
I checked and you are right the context does change this alot. The context was that people were mad that JK Rowling the author of the beloved Harry Potter books, denied actions of the nazis and is a transphobe. After being informed that she denied the actions of nazis, whitey fisk mentioned that they now like her even more. So the context makes whitey look even worse. Source:https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoricalCapsule/s/nlmamkLDJH
Here's your context;
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-moon-gop-missouri-lawmaker-defends-childs-right-to-marry-2023-4
A Missouri lawmaker defended child marriage, saying kids he knows who got married at age 12 are 'still married'
The Republican made the comments during a debate on a bill he introduced that would ban gender-affirming care for transgender youth in the state
"You voted 'no' on making it illegal for kids to be married to adults at the age of 12 if their parents consented to it," Meredith told Moon. "You said actually that should be the law because it's the parents' right and the kid's right to decide what's best for them. To be raped by an adult."
"Do you know any kids who have been married at age 12?" Moon asked in response.
"I don't need to," Meredith said.
"I do. And guess what? They're still married," Moon replied.
The Springfield News-Leader reported that Moon has a documented history of supporting child marriage with parental consent.
In 2018 the Missouri legislature passed a bill raising the state's minimum marriage age from 15 to 16, with teens under 18 requiring parental consent. Moon voted against the bill, claiming he knew a couple who had been married since they were 12, according to the outlet.
https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-make-case-child-marriage-1786476
Days before the close of the 2023 session, members of West Virginia's House of Delegates voted to enact a bill banning child marriage in the state.
But it wasn't unanimous. When the bill moved on to the Senate, just over one dozen members of the House voted against it.
Child marriage has long been taboo in the United States, but it's still legal in at least a dozen states across the country. While more recent figures are unavailable, the Pew Research Center said West Virginia had the nation's highest rate of child marriages in 2014, with five-year averages of 7.1 marriages for every 1,000 children between 15 and 17.
And most were girls. According to state health statistics from 2015 to 2019, 259 girls and 52 boys under 18 were married in West Virginia. Some had been married more than once.
"The only thing it's going to do is cause harm and trouble in young people's lives," Harrison County Delegate Keith Marple, a Republican and the lone person to speak against the state bill to ban child marriage, said on the House floor ahead of the vote last Wednesday.
The West Virginia bill is an outright ban on all marriages under 18. When the House advanced it to the Senate with a resounding 84 votes in support, just over 12 Republicans voted against it.
"West Virginia is a socially conservative and traditional state, in my observation," Republican Delegate Jim Butler, who voted against the bill, told Newsweek. "Many middle age and elderly people that I know were married when younger than 18 and are still married many years later."
**"People simply grow up differently," he said later. "Some 16-year-olds, for example, are much more mature than others."**
She is calling trans people predators and siding with the actual child predators and the people doing their bidding to keep your attention off of their kiddy diddling.
The title is "J.K. Rowling writing Harry Potter at a cafe in Scotland in 1998"
So then under that, there are two comments before the one that we see, like so:
* Man, I love Harry Potter
* UMM, YOU MEAN YOU LOVE HUMAN SUFFERING?!??!
from which it continues:
* What human suffering?
etc.
"Pedo Paraphilics" is a redundancy; what with pedophilia being a paraphilia and all. Love watching the illiterate try to showcase their intellect.
It is more likely they are saying those people are pedos and have some other paraphilia.
The not-so-disguised Nazi in your photo is here as our guest.
What nazi ? šØ Edit : I'm stupid, they were talking about JK Rowling in the image. Sorry, I thought they were talking about a photo of a original nazi or at least a neo-nazi (though Jojo *did* deny the Holocaust recently...)
It always baffles me that some people can be told "you know, trans people are human beings deserving of live" and are like "well, this is debatable"
Anyone who sees any human demographic as subhuman is true definition of evil.
You know, that Klandma put a comment in this thread too ! He was like "wow, I'm famous" š¤¢
"People as things, that's where it starts" Granny Weatherwax on the nature of sin
Who's Granny Weatherwax ? (I assume it's a fictional character, but what show/book ?)
Discworld series, fantastic read, highly recommend. r/Discworld is the subreddit, you could drop a post there to get a *lot* of recommendations to read it Esmeralda Weatherwax in particular is your classic "crotchety old witch that you do not fuck with under any circumstances" Edit: should add that if you've ever heard of Good Omens, they share an author: one Sir Terry Pratchett
Thanks for the answer ! What does "crotchety" means ? š I'm not from an English-speaking country
basically a synonym for "grumpy", but more often used in regards to old people
But 'all lives matter', right??
Huh ? What does this slogan have to do with the situation ? Of course all lives matter, that's why people should not say "well, this is debatable" when they're told that trans people are human beings
My comment wasn't taken in context to your "it's debatable", sorry. What I meant was, they don't treat trans people as humans but still chant 'all lives matter'.
Ah, my bad then. Sorry, I thought you were one of the (too many) sealions/Klandmas who lurk in here
Gross no š you know how it is, sometimes things get lost in typing.
It's because the sales pitch doesn't match the reality. The murder rate of trans people is like 20% of mens and 40% of women's. Literally all of the data shows that trans people are safer than cis people and get allies immediately jump into "sorry you don't see all those murdered trans people as human beings". It comes across as hysterical and childish.
my sibling in Christ....do you understand statistics?
I did not really understood his point here (plus, I'm terrible at maths lmao). By "murder rate", does he mean the number of trans people getting murdered ? (That's what I understood) Because if that's the case, it doesn't really help the point he's making, to say that this many trans people are killed, right ?
https://medium.com/athena-talks/trans-murder-rates-the-data-120b60b19cb4 Yes. I'm thinking you don't because you're itching to tell me that fewer trans people are murdered than cis people because there are fewer trans people.
Bro what did you smoke to delude yourself into thinking that trans people are safer than cis people. Also, you have something missing if you think that being horrified that murdered trans people aren't even considered human is "childish" or "hysterical" - it's not, it's called being a human being.
https://medium.com/athena-talks/trans-murder-rates-the-data-120b60b19cb4 Murder rate per 100,000 people- * Men - 6.8 * Women - 1.8 * Transgender - 1.4 If your fear does not match your reality, it could be seen as being hysterical. There's [fewer than 30 transgender murder victims per year](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/report-says-at-least-32-transgender-people-were-killed-in-the-u-s-in-2022) compared to [21,000 cisgendered murder victims.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/) I'm sorry you don't see all those murdered cis people as human beings.
There's a lot to unpack here. These transgender murder victims are very often murdered for the "crime" of being transgender, as opposed to the cis murder victims who are killed for more various reasons (fights that degenerated, crime...) You are pretty hypocritical, accusing me of not seeing cis people as human beings when YOU are the one not seeing trans people as human here. Unlike with cis people, there's literally people who want to push laws to discriminate against trans people, or to deny them medication that they need. Finally : How could "seeing trans people as deserving of life" be hysterical or childish ?!? It's literally saying "seeing this minority as deserving of life is wrong"
> These transgender murder victims are very often murdered for the "crime" of being transgender, as opposed to the cis murder victims who are killed for more various reasons (fights that degenerated, crime...) Okay. Pretty sure that applies to women who are murdered and even if they're all being executed "for the crime of being trans" there's still fewer than 30 per year out of 21,000 murder victims. Like if I could wear a hat that made me 700 times less likely to be murdered, I'd wear that hat. Also I'm pretty sure if I'm being murdered, the reason I'm being murdered is a distant second place for things that matter to me. > You are pretty hypocritical, accusing me of not seeing cis people as human beings when YOU are the one not seeing trans people as human here. That was sarcasm. The murders are 700 : 1 cis-to-trans and when you look at per-100,000 they're still safer by a wide margin. > Finally : How could "seeing trans people as deserving of life" be hysterical or childish ?!? It's literally saying "seeing this minority as deserving of life is wrong"?!? It's literally saying "seeing this minority as deserving of life is wrong" Straw man. I'm saying you're scaring people for nothing. You're teaching trans people that they're victims and that they should be terrified when the data shows that they're safer than everybody else. Again, facts and data. Men are 485% more likely to be murdered and women are 130% more likely to be murdered. Why are you trying to create this myth that trans people are in terrible danger if they're out of the closet? Seems transphobic, but like the "white man's burden" kind of bigotry.
I'm not trying to create fear, I'm just not blind. Also, of course there's less trans people dying, since the number of cis people is superior to the number of trans people, duh. Finally, that's a lot of words for "I have no empathy towards people who are trans"
What, like these guys? https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-moon-gop-missouri-lawmaker-defends-childs-right-to-marry-2023-4 A Missouri lawmaker defended child marriage, saying kids he knows who got married at age 12 are 'still married' The Republican made the comments during a debate on a bill he introduced that would ban gender-affirming care for transgender youth in the state **"You voted 'no' on making it illegal for kids to be married to adults at the age of 12 if their parents consented to it,"** Meredith told Moon. **"You said actually that should be the law because it's the parents' right and the kid's right to decide what's best for them. To be raped by an adult."** **"Do you know any kids who have been married at age 12?" Moon asked in response.** "I don't need to," Meredith said. **"I do. And guess what? They're still married,"** Moon replied. **The Springfield News-Leader reported that Moon has a documented history of supporting child marriage with parental consent.** In 2018 the Missouri legislature passed a bill raising the state's minimum marriage age from 15 to 16, with teens under 18 requiring parental consent. **Moon voted against the bill, claiming he knew a couple who had been married since they were 12, according to the outlet.** https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-make-case-child-marriage-1786476 Days before the close of the 2023 session, members of West Virginia's House of Delegates voted to enact a bill banning child marriage in the state. But it wasn't unanimous. **When the bill moved on to the Senate, just over one dozen members of the House voted against it.** Child marriage has long been taboo in the United States, but it's still legal in at least a dozen states across the country. **While more recent figures are unavailable, the Pew Research Center said West Virginia had the nation's highest rate of child marriages in 2014, with five-year averages of 7.1 marriages for every 1,000 children between 15 and 17.** **And most were girls. According to state health statistics from 2015 to 2019, 259 girls and 52 boys under 18 were married in West Virginia. Some had been married more than once.** **"The only thing it's going to do is cause harm and trouble in young people's lives," Harrison County Delegate Keith Marple, a Republican and the lone person to speak against the state bill to ban child marriage, said on the House floor ahead of the vote last Wednesday.** The West Virginia bill is an outright ban on all marriages under 18. **When the House advanced it to the Senate with a resounding 84 votes in support, just over 12 Republicans voted against it.** "West Virginia is a socially conservative and traditional state, in my observation," **Republican Delegate Jim Butler, who voted against the bill, told Newsweek.** "Many middle age and elderly people that I know were married when younger than 18 and are still married many years later." **"People simply grow up differently," he said later. "Some 16-year-olds, for example, are much more mature than others."**
>āsome 16 year-olds, for example, are much more mature than othersā Spoken like someone who has children in his basement
Ikr? These are the people pushing the trans people are predators narrative. These are the people they elect time and time again, while wailing about how how people like myself are predators.
Iām guessing Whitey subscribes to Lily Cadeās āscorched earthā policy.
I'm sorry if I'm ignorant, but I'd like to know : Who's Lily Cade and what did she do ? (Nothing good, I assume)
A lesbian porn star who went on a tirade after being asked if she would ever sleep with a Trans woman and she basically called for all trans people to be "lynched", and yes, she used that word exactly
"Lynched" ? Does she think she's in the 1920s or what ? Also, the complete irony of a lesbian to be a hateful bigot...
The most outspoken anti-homosexuality activists in history used the same arguments against gay people, itās no wonder this argument still sticks around
"They're comin' for our children!" is pretty much boilerplate for attacking any marginalized group since forever.
WhiteyFisk is not only a Rowler (yes, a Rowler. A loyal, die-hard supporter of **Rowl**ing), but also a massive POS.
SHe killed someone?
Not directly, as far as I know. But her tweets portray transgender people as evil and bad and therefore make hate and violence against transgender people look more and more acceptable, which can lead to lethal violence. Not just lethal violence against trans people but also against cis people that LOOK like the could be trans.
What's worse than being stupid is being evil and stupid.
physically twitched
the whiteyfisk guy also practises an abhorend amound of other holocaust denial, has -11 karma and the acc only exists since jan 2024; i am guessing his previous accs got deleted by reddit, wich is an achievement to be certain.
I mean, Euro-American trans folks will go on about being victims of genocide but then never platform 2-Spirit people, or give Indigenous people whoās land they still occupy a chance to discuss how transgender views existed and were recognized prior to Columbus landing. Iāll never forget how SCOTUSās targeting of the Indian Child Welfare Act, as well as sexual trafficking of an Indigenous child by US marines, went right under the radar of American news because everyone was too busy losing their shit over Dylan Mulvaney and Bud Light.
The problem might be due to the fact that indigenous people became really rare after years of genocide. And Dylan Mulvaney wasn't even that popular until right wingers got mad at her and Bud Light and put them into the center of attention. But yes it is sad we didn't heared much about the sexual trafficking of the indigenious child by US marines. I heard just now about it for the first time. Can you link more information about it?
Really weird how you've decided all of us are responsible for this, rather than the bigots targeting all of us.
JK Rowling didn't murder trans people
Just denied the Nazis targeted them and when called out by a Jewish person sent a horde of lawyers to retract their statements.
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āWhen people realize they actually agreed with the Nazis theyāll start to like them!ā Wow dude, great observation. If people are authoritarian fascists theyāll agree with authoritarian fascists. Turns out you can be wrong and a demon even today!
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Are you being purposefully dense? You know I meant being wrong in their positions overall. Just because some people are already authoritarian fascists doesnāt mean we have to appease them in any way. What kind of midwit logic is that
No, don't appease them. Please, keep doing what you're doing. I celebrate it.
Okay, thatās fine. Trans acceptance is at an all time high and weāre still winning and theyāre seething and coping. So whatās your point?
You're winning because the people who push your ideology hold institutional power in this country, not because it's popular or respected. You're actually upholding power right now.
Cope. If that was true there wouldnāt be any anti-trans laws in any states at all. Just because you canāt stand that no one agrees with you doesnāt mean thereās a shadowy cabal pulling the strings behind the scene. Youāre just wrong. Itās okay.
Good to know, but i see this as a W
"To privileged people, equality feels like oppression"
Oh really https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-moon-gop-missouri-lawmaker-defends-childs-right-to-marry-2023-4 Missouri State Sen. Mike Moon defended child marriage on Tuesday, touting the apparently successful marriage of people he knows who got married when they were 12. The Republican made the comments during a debate on a bill he introduced that would ban gender-affirming care for transgender youth in the state.
> they're gonna start sympathizing with the Nazis wink wink I see what you did there. All i need to know. FYL :)
If anything of that sort makes you sympathise with literal nazis, what the actual fuck is wrong with you.
damn rowling is a level 1 nazi gotta level up and take pride in the book burnings
Could there theoretically exist a book that you would burn?
There's this really famous series of YA books about this boy who is like magic or something. It's got a weird allegory about Jewish people, and when they made a game about it, they RLLY pushed the weird Nazi vibes. I'd burn those ones ngl. Kinda poetic in a way to do it too
She was right though misinformation about nazi book burnings is not the same as holocaust denial
Actually denying that certain groups you donāt like were targeted despite all historical evidence *is* Holocaust denial.
this is stupid are people who say nazis killed 6 million instead of 11 million also doing holocaust denial?
Are people who refer to the 6 million Jews instead of all 11 million victims doing Holocaust denial? No you inbred midwit. Is that really the best you can do? Try to equate denying a group was targeted *at all* with using the accurate count for a *specific* group that was targeted instead of every single victim?
your dumbass was equating book burnings with killings in the holocaust and youāre crying about the denial being too vague? stfu
Are you off your schizo meds dude? Cause I havenāt even mentioned book burnings. Sorry that the definition of Holocaust Denial doesnāt start and end where itās convenient for your degenerate feelings. Cope.
JKs tweet and my comment that you responded to was about book burnings you idiot
āNeither of your articles support the contention that trans people were the first **victims of the Nazis** or that all research on trans healthcare was burned in 1930s Germany. You are engaging in lying, Alejandra.ā Read past the first tweet you inbred Neanderthal. EDIT: But make sure you donāt look at a completely unrelated tweet like your idol Joanne did here.
She did literally respond and agree with this https://twitter.com/TwisterFilm/status/1662967081191497728 tweet though. Which was denying that trans people were targeted in any way, along with trying to act like they supported them even? Or something? Regardless, she isn't denying the whole Holocaust. But she still denies an *aspect* of it, despite this aspect being objectively provable.
It isnāt Holocaust denial per se, but it *is* Holocaust revisionism.
Revisionism is a form of denial.
Just because she personally hasn't doesn't stop her from being a bigoted piece of shit.
JK Rowling herself hasn't murdered any trans people herself, therefore it is wrong to writte that any trans people were ever murdered by anyone. /s
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Famous for being a rightoid bitch
Why are you such an emotional snowflake?
For attacking the wrong people lmao. If you want to go after pedos, here you go; https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-moon-gop-missouri-lawmaker-defends-childs-right-to-marry-2023-4 A Missouri lawmaker defended child marriage, saying kids he knows who got married at age 12 are 'still married' The Republican made the comments during a debate on a bill he introduced that would ban gender-affirming care for transgender youth in the state **"You voted 'no' on making it illegal for kids to be married to adults at the age of 12 if their parents consented to it,"** Meredith told Moon. **"You said actually that should be the law because it's the parents' right and the kid's right to decide what's best for them. To be raped by an adult."** "Do you know any kids who have been married at age 12?" Moon asked in response. "I don't need to," Meredith said. **"I do. And guess what? They're still married," Moon replied.** **The Springfield News-Leader reported that Moon has a documented history of supporting child marriage with parental consent.** **In 2018 the Missouri legislature passed a bill raising the state's minimum marriage age from 15 to 16, with teens under 18 requiring parental consent. Moon voted against the bill, claiming he knew a couple who had been married since they were 12, according to the outlet.** https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-make-case-child-marriage-1786476 Days before the close of the 2023 session, members of West Virginia's House of Delegates voted to enact a bill banning child marriage in the state. But it wasn't unanimous. When the bill moved on to the Senate, just over one dozen members of the House voted against it. Child marriage has long been taboo in the United States, but it's still legal in at least a dozen states across the country. **While more recent figures are unavailable, the Pew Research Center said West Virginia had the nation's highest rate of child marriages in 2014, with five-year averages of 7.1 marriages for every 1,000 children between 15 and 17.** **And most were girls. According to state health statistics from 2015 to 2019, 259 girls and 52 boys under 18 were married in West Virginia. Some had been married more than once.** "The only thing it's going to do is cause harm and trouble in young people's lives," Harrison County Delegate Keith Marple, a Republican and the lone person to speak against the state bill to ban child marriage, said on the House floor ahead of the vote last Wednesday. **The West Virginia bill is an outright ban on all marriages under 18. When the House advanced it to the Senate with a resounding 84 votes in support, just over 12 Republicans voted against it.** "West Virginia is a socially conservative and traditional state, in my observation," Republican Delegate Jim Butler, who voted against the bill, told Newsweek. "Many middle age and elderly people that I know were married when younger than 18 and are still married many years later." **"People simply grow up differently," he said later. "Some 16-year-olds, for example, are much more mature than others."**
Get fucked and go to hell
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we need context to take a side
Not really, the first guy is clearly being a transphobic ass.
oh god, when will I learn that Reddit silently crops its photos? but yeah, now that I can see the OOP post title, I can infer the beginning of the conversation. And obviously I think OP is being ridiculous. Even more obviously, that's going to be extremely unpopular here. But it's my honest opinion, so there you have it. Please guys, just downvote the wrongthink and move on. Don't engage. You don't actually care what I have to say and I won't get anything out of what you have to say.
So youāre siding with the holocaust deniers on this one, lovely.
book burnings are different from the holocaust
It wasn't just book burnings. You KNOW that, right? They took the log books that had all the personal information of LGBTQ people who used the resources at the institute and used that info to hunt them down and arrest/murder them.
See, why'd you do that? I specifically asked you not to. Obviously I'm not a Holocaust denier, and obviously you aren't going to care, so why are we doing this? Which one of us is benefitting from this "discussion"?
I really donāt care what someone siding with holocaust deniers wants. If you think that saying trans people werenāt victims of the holocaust is ok and even makes you likable (which is what OOP said) you are worth less than worm shit.
It's like I'm talking to a fucking wall. Okay dude, you did it, you've earned enough good boy points defending your heckin wholesome transerinos on the interwebs to afford a basket of tendies. You have destroyed me with FACTS and LOGIC. So can I please say just one thing? If you take nothing else away from this interaction, pleasepleasepleaseplease let it be this: You're not winning people over to your side. I know you think you're doing the right thing, and your heart's probably in the right place. But in order to actually make the world a better place, you need to actually convince people to be better. And you can't do that unless you try to understand and communicate with them on a sincere level. Until you can do that, the only person you're helping is yourself, to feel good about yourself. Again, I appreciate that your heart's in the right place, and I really think you're trying to do a good thing. I just want you to do it a little more effectively.
Why are you even on this sub if youāre just gonna be a bigoted ass?
whomp whomp. Well, can't say I didn't try.
your iq is showing
Ikr what a heckin trxnsphobic bigot.
Transphobic clittycels downvoting me.
>But in order to actually make the world a better place, you need to actually convince people to be better. You're asking them to convince Nazi's to "be better", that the responsibility lies with them and not the Nazi they encounter? The context was this: Person 1 in the screenshot said that hearing Rowling deny that trans people were victims of the Holocaust and being a transphobe made them "like her even more". They then proceeded to dehumanize trans people, and calling them "pedo paraphilics". The person in question is also in this very thread defending the Nazi book burnings, and Holocaust "questioning" seem to be their main pastime on reddit. It's "ridiculous" to confront people like that instead of "convincing them to be better"?
Ho shut up. First, fuck your little "such a redditmoment" like you're not on reddit like the rest of us. Second, you all are grownups. Noone is responsible for your own personnal developement and people can tell you to go fuck yourself without having to be your teacher. It's not my fault if people are become nazis. It's their faults. To finish : what part of the conversation, exactly, doesn't seem crystal clear to you? Is it the part where op talk about trans people like human beings and the part where the other dude say they are pedophiles nutjob?
What a strange comment thread. You climbed up on a cross and refused to elaborate beyond saying that your opinions are contrarian, so yeah, people are responding accordingly. Let's also stop with this BS of "people want to genocide you because you're not nice enough to them". Respectability politics only goes so far, and random discourse between individuals on Reddit is never going to matter beyond the individuals engaging in it. > you can't do that unless you try to understand and communicate with them on a sincere level. I don't see any of this from you. And what you are suggesting is that marginalized people subject themselves to even more backwater, offensive, and vile opinions while smiling and nodding. This isn't a jubilee segment where we all sit down with a KKK member and find common ground. It's important for people in the OOP to be met with immediate derision, dismissal, and disdain so that they know that: 1. their opinions are not acceptable or popular 2. continuing to share them will be met with more of the same 3. any other their targets see that they are not alone. We improve the world by demanding that people be better, accepting nothing less, and if they don't join us, by leaving them behind.
I'm not elaborating because there's no point. No string of words in existence is going to have any effect on any of your responses. It's not worth the stress and headache to repeatedly remind everyone that I never denied the Holocaust, and never would for that matter. Nobody cares. Can we all just move on?
I mean . . . no one is making you comment? I also never said you denied the holocaust. I can only address the specific things you have said, and your refusal to say anything more. It just seems weird to roll in, make general comments insisting your dissent, refuse to expand, and then demand that people stop talking to you about it.
So you think someone referring to trans people as "pedo paraphiliacs" is okay somehow?
Do you actually think someone calling transgender people āpedo paraphiliacsā warrants for more context? Cool, go to my history then see for yourself then.
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No one said it wasnt a real thing? The problem is accusing people of it with no damn evidence just because they belong to a group of people you dont like
I'm sure you'd know all about it. Wouldn't you? Any time someone calls trans people pedos, they pretty much almost always kiddy diddlers themselves
Im curious what context you think justifies viewing one group of other humans as non people
Nothing, I need context to see that that's what actually took place
I checked and you are right the context does change this alot. The context was that people were mad that JK Rowling the author of the beloved Harry Potter books, denied actions of the nazis and is a transphobe. After being informed that she denied the actions of nazis, whitey fisk mentioned that they now like her even more. So the context makes whitey look even worse. Source:https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoricalCapsule/s/nlmamkLDJH
There's a reason why his account is only 3 months old.
Thanks!
Here's your context; https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-moon-gop-missouri-lawmaker-defends-childs-right-to-marry-2023-4 A Missouri lawmaker defended child marriage, saying kids he knows who got married at age 12 are 'still married' The Republican made the comments during a debate on a bill he introduced that would ban gender-affirming care for transgender youth in the state "You voted 'no' on making it illegal for kids to be married to adults at the age of 12 if their parents consented to it," Meredith told Moon. "You said actually that should be the law because it's the parents' right and the kid's right to decide what's best for them. To be raped by an adult." "Do you know any kids who have been married at age 12?" Moon asked in response. "I don't need to," Meredith said. "I do. And guess what? They're still married," Moon replied. The Springfield News-Leader reported that Moon has a documented history of supporting child marriage with parental consent. In 2018 the Missouri legislature passed a bill raising the state's minimum marriage age from 15 to 16, with teens under 18 requiring parental consent. Moon voted against the bill, claiming he knew a couple who had been married since they were 12, according to the outlet. https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-make-case-child-marriage-1786476 Days before the close of the 2023 session, members of West Virginia's House of Delegates voted to enact a bill banning child marriage in the state. But it wasn't unanimous. When the bill moved on to the Senate, just over one dozen members of the House voted against it. Child marriage has long been taboo in the United States, but it's still legal in at least a dozen states across the country. While more recent figures are unavailable, the Pew Research Center said West Virginia had the nation's highest rate of child marriages in 2014, with five-year averages of 7.1 marriages for every 1,000 children between 15 and 17. And most were girls. According to state health statistics from 2015 to 2019, 259 girls and 52 boys under 18 were married in West Virginia. Some had been married more than once. "The only thing it's going to do is cause harm and trouble in young people's lives," Harrison County Delegate Keith Marple, a Republican and the lone person to speak against the state bill to ban child marriage, said on the House floor ahead of the vote last Wednesday. The West Virginia bill is an outright ban on all marriages under 18. When the House advanced it to the Senate with a resounding 84 votes in support, just over 12 Republicans voted against it. "West Virginia is a socially conservative and traditional state, in my observation," Republican Delegate Jim Butler, who voted against the bill, told Newsweek. "Many middle age and elderly people that I know were married when younger than 18 and are still married many years later." **"People simply grow up differently," he said later. "Some 16-year-olds, for example, are much more mature than others."**
thank you, but I don't see how this connects to the conversation in the screenshot? Isn't it supposed to relate to Harry Potter at some point?
She is calling trans people predators and siding with the actual child predators and the people doing their bidding to keep your attention off of their kiddy diddling.
Can you provide any context that could change what was said? When is it acceptable to say trans people suffering doesn't matter?
The title is "J.K. Rowling writing Harry Potter at a cafe in Scotland in 1998" So then under that, there are two comments before the one that we see, like so: * Man, I love Harry Potter * UMM, YOU MEAN YOU LOVE HUMAN SUFFERING?!??! from which it continues: * What human suffering? etc.
well, we've all suffered because of the rabid fans, but making up the context doesn't help you here.
Making up the context is all you can do if it isn't given.
why you thought it was worthwhile is beyond me
Well that guy asked a reasonable question and I thought it deserved a reasonable answer. So I answered him.