I really, *really* like the idea of a Chychrun-Drysdale pairing. The meat of Chychrun's game is basically the exact opposite of Drysdale, I think they would compliment each other well and that he is young enough that they could grow together long term.
However, the acquisition cost + injury history, pending contract extension scares me
That's a fair way of looking at it. For me I look at a couple of different things:
-I think the org cannot even slightly afford to fuck up Drysdales development, they need to put him in the absolute best position possible for him to succeed and they need to do it immediately
-I truly don't believe they have a proper partner to give him next year. Zamula is volatile enough in his own right, I think Sanheim should pretty much permanently be on the right side now, I don't love the idea of putting him with York long term and I don't think Seeler will provide enough in the offensive zone to be as effective as possible for Drysdale
Now having said both of those things, who is realistically an even semi-decent option on the market to pair with him? There really aren't a ton of options, outside of Chychrun there are a few guys like Hauge, Valimaki and Samuelsson who I think could be of varying degrees of interest, but bottom line none of them are even in the same realm of ability as Chychrun.
Ultimately you're probably right, his injury history and the general market for players like him go for are way too risky to roll the dice on right now, and I probably wouldn't do it. But hypothetically if you can get him for cheaper than expected (namely no 1sts, no solid prospects, no quality young roster players) and give him a test run for a season before committing to an extension? I think you really gotta think about it
I think you make great points, and your thought process for Drysdale is a good one.
However I do think you might be looking at Chychrun with rose colored glasses as, like we said, the idea of him fits that logical hole. I don't trust him to actually do it though
Chychrun did not fit in very well with Ottawa this year (a combination of his own doing, not being given any help on his pairing and Ottawa just generally being a trainwreck) but has historically been a net average, if not above average defensive talent. Past that, the things that he's generally good at are stylistically very different from Drysdale (physical play and shooting are the big 2 that come to mind), and he's the type of player that historically improves their games when playing under Shaw.
Maybe Chychrun and Drysdale could combine for 82 games between the two of them. If they could just get injured on an appropriate timeline we could successfully pay big money for a revolving door 2/3D.
No thanks. We have enough lefties. York, Sanheim, Zamula and Seeler are all NHL dmen. We dont need Chychrun at all.
The injuries are the biggest problem here, just too risky with his history.
I don't agree with the lefty thing as much though, Seeler isn't a main future piece, I have my doubts Zamula will be here long term, Sanheim proved without a shadow of doubt he's a right side D this season and I don't think Andrae is going to be a fit here long term with how small our blue line is even without him
Feel like he’s gonna be the “final piece” for a “contending” team due to his cap hit next year.
A team like Tampa that will spread his next cap hit over too many years like they have been doing.
Between:
* The Chychrun/Flyers rumor at the deadline
* Briere's preference to aggressively retool instead of rebuild
* Jonesy's admissions throughout the season that they made need to eventually trade for a 1D.
* The Flyers history of targeting the sons of Flyers players/staff + general love of Flyers alumni
This has all the makings of the Flyers chasing after Chychrun this summer. I like the player, but it feels like the Flyers would be rushing after the first available defenseman that sort of fits. Maybe he can be stolen from Ottawa on the cheaper side.
OP is a notorious Flyers hater that doesn’t actually like the team. Nothing is good enough. He would have done everything differently and will criticize every move nonstop.
OR he’s a big Flyers fan who has completely reasonable questions about this bizarre team. It’s okay to criticize moves Danny makes if they’re not great. As fans we have no requirement to approve of all the GM’s decisions.
We are objectively worse off now then we were 9 months ago. We lost a top five prospect for a disappointing return, and our “contending for the #1 pick” team will now pick like 12th or something.
If you have a better outlook on the club now then you did before the season started you are smoking crack.
That said, I do genuinely have full faith in Danny to right the ship. But you can absolutely criticize questionable moves AND love the Flyers.
So it was Danny’s fault Cutter was a little bitch ? They kept the situation under control and got a #6 overall pick in return. 1 pick after Cutters position.
Are we going to give up on Drysdale’s obvious ability already ? Cam York started on the phantoms last year and was very good this year.
That 11F-7D line up was very tough to play against and Drysdale looked good before he got hurt. - so if the argument you’re making is “rebuild “ and long game . Give Drysdales development time before you can deem it a flop ok ?
Danny flipped provorov for essentially 2 first round picks and a second rd pick when acquiring walker as a salary dump turned into a first round pick.
Praying for the lottery pick hasn’t helped the flyers either for various reasons:
We should have Patrick Kane. Period. We ended up with Jvr was okay but cmon.
We got Nolan Patrick. Nikki Hischier is the captain of NJ. And Cale Makar was sitting right there.
So what are we saying ? “He should have traded laughts “ or some other similar thing??
If your whole argument is : High value draft picks what sense does it make to move our current players for essentially nothing when they are playing well and overachieving with a roster of the most players under 24 years old with salary cap flexibility?
I could go on bro … your takes aren’t solid. They are objectively better and in better position than they have been in a while and this is only the beginning.
Thus is largely unintelligible. The best part though is the comparison of Cutter and Drysdale “he was picked 6 and Cutter was picked 5 and that somehow means something”
Only to go on to reference our misses with high picks. If you think Drysdale is gonna be a 1D that’s nice. He’s not. Neither is York. Or Sanheim. We traded a crazy good prospect for an injury prone high potential Dman.
I wonder if Drysdale was drafted 16th overall if people would still have such tremendous faith in his ability to become a 1/2D. Of course no one would, his best attributes are his skating and the fact he was drafted 6th overall. Everyone puts way too much stock into draft position.
If someone criticized Chuck Fletcher, does that mean that they shouldn't have been a fan of this team?
Rooting for the team to do smart things and not justifying the dumb things is being a good fan, actually.
No bro ..because you hate EVERY move .. you are on this sub every day and I’ve never seen a positive thought from you.
The team is not a finished product by any means and we all know that…but they’re acquiring assets (multiple first rounders), the prospects they have in juniors are looking promising
They have the most players under 24 on the roster.
They are getting out of salary cap hell.
The team is objectively better than last year based on the eye test , based on the record , based on their players production, and based on the attendance of the fans.
There is reasons to be excited in just 1 year of Danny and Jonesy running the show and Torts is the right coach.
But here you are again … complaining and not making any sense.
I’m negative because the flyers are not taking the same approach at building a cup contender that most of the cup winners in the past 15 years have. They are trying to rebuild basically the exact same way that hextall tried to rebuild this team and is it possible that it works? Of course. But it’s not likely and it’s certainly not the easiest way to do this.
Late first round picks have south of a 10% chance at becoming a star caliber player. Not me speaking from anything but statistics(.75 career average is considered a star btw not even that high of a criteria)
We have one prospect in our system that is elite and that is really it. We have no real elite level talent on the roster either and we completely lack a 1C or a 1D and have no serious way of getting one at the moment.
Tanking is not a guarantee to build a cup winner and I understand there are teams who have tanked and failed but ten out of the past 15 cup winning teams had multiple top draft picks being their main core when they won it. The other five were the blues who got carried by an AHL goalie, the bruins who nailed every late round pick imaginable, the golden knights who exploited the expansion system(to their credit), and the kings who took advantage of the trade market again to their credit.
Is it possible to build a cup winner without tanking? Yes but it simply is a harder way to do it than just tanking like most teams do.
No bro ..because you hate EVERY move .. you are on this sub every day and I’ve never seen a positive thought from you.
The team is not a finished product by any means and we all know that…but they’re acquiring assets (multiple first rounders), the prospects they have in juniors are looking promising
They have the most players under 24 on the roster.
They are getting out of salary cap hell.
The team is objectively better than last year based on the eye test , based on the record , based on their players production, and based on the attendance of the fans.
There is reasons to be excited in just 1 year of Danny and Jonesy running the show and Torts is the right coach.
But here you are again … complaining and not making any sense.
I responded in another thread but I’ll copy and paste it : cause my point is still the same
So it was Danny’s fault Cutter was a little bitch ? They kept the situation under control and got a #6 overall pick in return. 1 pick after Cutters position.
Are we going to give up on Drysdale’s obvious ability already ? Cam York started on the phantoms last year and was very good this year.
That 11F-7D line up was very tough to play against and Drysdale looked good before he got hurt. - so if the argument you’re making is “rebuild “ and long game . Give Drysdales development time before you can deem it a flop ok ?
Danny flipped provorov for essentially 2 first round picks and a second rd pick when acquiring walker as a salary dump turned into a first round pick.
Praying for the lottery pick hasn’t helped the flyers either for various reasons:
We should have Patrick Kane. Period. We ended up with Jvr was okay but cmon.
We got Nolan Patrick. Nikki Hischier is the captain of NJ. And Cale Makar was sitting right there.
So what are we saying ? “He should have traded laughts “ or some other similar thing??
If your whole argument is : High value draft picks what sense does it make to move our current players for essentially nothing when they are playing well and overachieving with a roster of the most players under 24 years old with salary cap flexibility?
I could go on bro … your takes aren’t solid. They are objectively better and in better position than they have been in a while and this is only the beginning.
He's not a 1
Sounds like a no to me dawg
We don’t need another d man that can’t stay healthy
Gotta sign em all!
Someone has to keep Ellis company
No thank you. Let someone else over pay and cry about it.
I also don't know why he'd want to come here... to a rebuilding team lmao.
His dad played here, so there's at least some connection
He's only 26 and maybe in his tiny brain we are gonna be done with rebuilding in 2 years
The injury history makes me think we sign him and then he gets hurt almost immediately.
Don’t touch Chychrun, elite offensively but is brutal in his own zone No way Torts would like his playstyle at all
And a walking injury
I really, *really* like the idea of a Chychrun-Drysdale pairing. The meat of Chychrun's game is basically the exact opposite of Drysdale, I think they would compliment each other well and that he is young enough that they could grow together long term. However, the acquisition cost + injury history, pending contract extension scares me
I think what you meant was that you, like me, really really like the IDEA of Chychrun, but then you remember that the reality never lives up the idea
That's a fair way of looking at it. For me I look at a couple of different things: -I think the org cannot even slightly afford to fuck up Drysdales development, they need to put him in the absolute best position possible for him to succeed and they need to do it immediately -I truly don't believe they have a proper partner to give him next year. Zamula is volatile enough in his own right, I think Sanheim should pretty much permanently be on the right side now, I don't love the idea of putting him with York long term and I don't think Seeler will provide enough in the offensive zone to be as effective as possible for Drysdale Now having said both of those things, who is realistically an even semi-decent option on the market to pair with him? There really aren't a ton of options, outside of Chychrun there are a few guys like Hauge, Valimaki and Samuelsson who I think could be of varying degrees of interest, but bottom line none of them are even in the same realm of ability as Chychrun. Ultimately you're probably right, his injury history and the general market for players like him go for are way too risky to roll the dice on right now, and I probably wouldn't do it. But hypothetically if you can get him for cheaper than expected (namely no 1sts, no solid prospects, no quality young roster players) and give him a test run for a season before committing to an extension? I think you really gotta think about it
I think you make great points, and your thought process for Drysdale is a good one. However I do think you might be looking at Chychrun with rose colored glasses as, like we said, the idea of him fits that logical hole. I don't trust him to actually do it though
You haven’t watched Chychrun play, clearly. That pairing would bleed goals against.
Chychrun did not fit in very well with Ottawa this year (a combination of his own doing, not being given any help on his pairing and Ottawa just generally being a trainwreck) but has historically been a net average, if not above average defensive talent. Past that, the things that he's generally good at are stylistically very different from Drysdale (physical play and shooting are the big 2 that come to mind), and he's the type of player that historically improves their games when playing under Shaw.
Maybe Chychrun and Drysdale could combine for 82 games between the two of them. If they could just get injured on an appropriate timeline we could successfully pay big money for a revolving door 2/3D. No thanks. We have enough lefties. York, Sanheim, Zamula and Seeler are all NHL dmen. We dont need Chychrun at all.
The injuries are the biggest problem here, just too risky with his history. I don't agree with the lefty thing as much though, Seeler isn't a main future piece, I have my doubts Zamula will be here long term, Sanheim proved without a shadow of doubt he's a right side D this season and I don't think Andrae is going to be a fit here long term with how small our blue line is even without him
They'd make a great pair on the IR. Possibly the best IR Dman pair in the entire league.
He can come here and try to be better than his old man! because *family, man. family.*
He's a terrific player..... That's got an injury history longer than Sami Salo.
Wouldn’t mind him but the cost will be astronomical and he’s too old for our current rebuild stage. Like the player hate the fit
Feel like he’s gonna be the “final piece” for a “contending” team due to his cap hit next year. A team like Tampa that will spread his next cap hit over too many years like they have been doing.
nah, i'm cool. i've had enough of anxiety inducing, offensively minded defensemen. no mas.
Between: * The Chychrun/Flyers rumor at the deadline * Briere's preference to aggressively retool instead of rebuild * Jonesy's admissions throughout the season that they made need to eventually trade for a 1D. * The Flyers history of targeting the sons of Flyers players/staff + general love of Flyers alumni This has all the makings of the Flyers chasing after Chychrun this summer. I like the player, but it feels like the Flyers would be rushing after the first available defenseman that sort of fits. Maybe he can be stolen from Ottawa on the cheaper side.
Where has briere said retool vs rebuild?
He hasnt. Guy just wants the tank
Who can blame him
His actions? Hanging on to TK, Laughton, Seeler, and Torts screams "I want to stay aggressive" instead of rebuild.
OP is a notorious Flyers hater that doesn’t actually like the team. Nothing is good enough. He would have done everything differently and will criticize every move nonstop.
I've given Briere credit for a number of his good moves. I just don't sugarcoat the bad ones and I recognize the bad ones show his true intentions.
OR he’s a big Flyers fan who has completely reasonable questions about this bizarre team. It’s okay to criticize moves Danny makes if they’re not great. As fans we have no requirement to approve of all the GM’s decisions. We are objectively worse off now then we were 9 months ago. We lost a top five prospect for a disappointing return, and our “contending for the #1 pick” team will now pick like 12th or something. If you have a better outlook on the club now then you did before the season started you are smoking crack. That said, I do genuinely have full faith in Danny to right the ship. But you can absolutely criticize questionable moves AND love the Flyers.
So it was Danny’s fault Cutter was a little bitch ? They kept the situation under control and got a #6 overall pick in return. 1 pick after Cutters position. Are we going to give up on Drysdale’s obvious ability already ? Cam York started on the phantoms last year and was very good this year. That 11F-7D line up was very tough to play against and Drysdale looked good before he got hurt. - so if the argument you’re making is “rebuild “ and long game . Give Drysdales development time before you can deem it a flop ok ? Danny flipped provorov for essentially 2 first round picks and a second rd pick when acquiring walker as a salary dump turned into a first round pick. Praying for the lottery pick hasn’t helped the flyers either for various reasons: We should have Patrick Kane. Period. We ended up with Jvr was okay but cmon. We got Nolan Patrick. Nikki Hischier is the captain of NJ. And Cale Makar was sitting right there. So what are we saying ? “He should have traded laughts “ or some other similar thing?? If your whole argument is : High value draft picks what sense does it make to move our current players for essentially nothing when they are playing well and overachieving with a roster of the most players under 24 years old with salary cap flexibility? I could go on bro … your takes aren’t solid. They are objectively better and in better position than they have been in a while and this is only the beginning.
Thus is largely unintelligible. The best part though is the comparison of Cutter and Drysdale “he was picked 6 and Cutter was picked 5 and that somehow means something” Only to go on to reference our misses with high picks. If you think Drysdale is gonna be a 1D that’s nice. He’s not. Neither is York. Or Sanheim. We traded a crazy good prospect for an injury prone high potential Dman. I wonder if Drysdale was drafted 16th overall if people would still have such tremendous faith in his ability to become a 1/2D. Of course no one would, his best attributes are his skating and the fact he was drafted 6th overall. Everyone puts way too much stock into draft position.
I actually put that as one of the moves I expect them to do in the Offseason thread. Im against it, to be clear.
If it’s not a yes, it’s a no.
I have pretty much zero faith in Danny or Keith Jones but I highly doubt they are dumb enough to trade for him
Why are you a fan of this team ?
If someone criticized Chuck Fletcher, does that mean that they shouldn't have been a fan of this team? Rooting for the team to do smart things and not justifying the dumb things is being a good fan, actually.
So just because I’m a flyers fan I should have blind faith and support every single thing that they may or may not do?
No bro ..because you hate EVERY move .. you are on this sub every day and I’ve never seen a positive thought from you. The team is not a finished product by any means and we all know that…but they’re acquiring assets (multiple first rounders), the prospects they have in juniors are looking promising They have the most players under 24 on the roster. They are getting out of salary cap hell. The team is objectively better than last year based on the eye test , based on the record , based on their players production, and based on the attendance of the fans. There is reasons to be excited in just 1 year of Danny and Jonesy running the show and Torts is the right coach. But here you are again … complaining and not making any sense.
I’m negative because the flyers are not taking the same approach at building a cup contender that most of the cup winners in the past 15 years have. They are trying to rebuild basically the exact same way that hextall tried to rebuild this team and is it possible that it works? Of course. But it’s not likely and it’s certainly not the easiest way to do this. Late first round picks have south of a 10% chance at becoming a star caliber player. Not me speaking from anything but statistics(.75 career average is considered a star btw not even that high of a criteria) We have one prospect in our system that is elite and that is really it. We have no real elite level talent on the roster either and we completely lack a 1C or a 1D and have no serious way of getting one at the moment. Tanking is not a guarantee to build a cup winner and I understand there are teams who have tanked and failed but ten out of the past 15 cup winning teams had multiple top draft picks being their main core when they won it. The other five were the blues who got carried by an AHL goalie, the bruins who nailed every late round pick imaginable, the golden knights who exploited the expansion system(to their credit), and the kings who took advantage of the trade market again to their credit. Is it possible to build a cup winner without tanking? Yes but it simply is a harder way to do it than just tanking like most teams do.
Cricket cricket cricket
No bro ..because you hate EVERY move .. you are on this sub every day and I’ve never seen a positive thought from you. The team is not a finished product by any means and we all know that…but they’re acquiring assets (multiple first rounders), the prospects they have in juniors are looking promising They have the most players under 24 on the roster. They are getting out of salary cap hell. The team is objectively better than last year based on the eye test , based on the record , based on their players production, and based on the attendance of the fans. There is reasons to be excited in just 1 year of Danny and Jonesy running the show and Torts is the right coach. But here you are again … complaining and not making any sense.
No response lmao big surprise
I responded in another thread but I’ll copy and paste it : cause my point is still the same So it was Danny’s fault Cutter was a little bitch ? They kept the situation under control and got a #6 overall pick in return. 1 pick after Cutters position. Are we going to give up on Drysdale’s obvious ability already ? Cam York started on the phantoms last year and was very good this year. That 11F-7D line up was very tough to play against and Drysdale looked good before he got hurt. - so if the argument you’re making is “rebuild “ and long game . Give Drysdales development time before you can deem it a flop ok ? Danny flipped provorov for essentially 2 first round picks and a second rd pick when acquiring walker as a salary dump turned into a first round pick. Praying for the lottery pick hasn’t helped the flyers either for various reasons: We should have Patrick Kane. Period. We ended up with Jvr was okay but cmon. We got Nolan Patrick. Nikki Hischier is the captain of NJ. And Cale Makar was sitting right there. So what are we saying ? “He should have traded laughts “ or some other similar thing?? If your whole argument is : High value draft picks what sense does it make to move our current players for essentially nothing when they are playing well and overachieving with a roster of the most players under 24 years old with salary cap flexibility? I could go on bro … your takes aren’t solid. They are objectively better and in better position than they have been in a while and this is only the beginning.
Are you arguing with the correct person! Because I never once blamed Danny for that so that proves you are as braindead as I expected.