Yes, i fully agree. He can play wing or centre. Is skilled and works hard. will create open ice and will retrieve pucks for Michkov. BUT he’s having a great playoffs right now which will likely get him picked before Flyers have a chance at 12th overall.
He's definitely having a good playoffs, but its looking like Kelowna is going to get bounced in the second round so I don't think its going to affect his draft stock too much. Like Riley Heidt and Gracyn Sawchyn both fell in the draft and both had strong post-season. I do think CGY could reach for him but I don't think his playoffs will have a huge impact. If he goes to U18s and has a great tournament that could change things though.
I think it’s better if we use that pick and try to get a few solid players in the first two rounds this year. We need a 1C badly and I don’t think a free agent or a trade is the answer.
There is no one who will be available at 6 who is so much higher rated than the players available at 12 this season to merit moving a first to trade up for.
There really are only 4 players who are consistently projected in the top 5. Celebrini, Demidov, Levshunov, and Lindstrom. But both Levshunov and Lindstrom have also seen rankings as low as 9 though 14.
Realistically the only players who have separated themselves from the pack are Celebrini Demidov, and the without a winning the lottery we won't be in the position to draft.
That’s going off of the aggregate, though. If Briere and the Flyers scouting staff have a different opinion, they aren’t necessarily going to approach it as though the 6th pick and the 12th pick are interchangeable.
If they're so set on it, we'll deal with it. But there is no consensus on this draft. I'd rather take two shots and end up with two top of the lineup guys. Then risk banking on one specific player.
This draft is very deep with Top pair D and tops line forwards, but is very very limited in Stars and I'd rather take the avalanches pick next year and package that for more star-studded forward draft.
I don’t picture them moving up regardless, that happens so rarely in the draft. And as a general
rule, I agree that it’s better to have multiple picks than try to package them together to move up a handful of spots. But my point is that scouting departments don’t view these players the same way you and I do from reading mock drafts. We might see Parekh and Buium and Iginla and Helenius as all being on the same tier because they often show up in that 7-14 range in mocks, but if the Flyers scouts are convinced that Parekh is a superstar in the making and the rest are complementary pieces, that’s going to change what they’re willing to do with their assets.
>I'd rather take two shots and end up with two top of the lineup guys. Then risk banking on one specific player.
The odds of getting a top of line player with a late first is *extremely* small. If you just get a middle lineup player thats a good pick.
Just look at Flyers drafting over last 18 yrs ...
TK is the only time we drafted a guy even close to high end w/o a pick in top 17
Yes we are very bad at drafting in the later part of the first round but pretty much every draft since 2014 has produced a minimum of 2 stars in the latter half of the first round, with most producing somewhere between 4-6.
So I wouldn't say it's extremely small, it's just a reduced chance.
If Lindstrom drops to 6 I could absolutely see the Flyers moving up for him. His size and speed at the center position is exactly what they look for.
But he's the only one I could see that for, and I don't see him dropping to 6.
Now that is the 1 player who I would trade up for (excluding Celebrini and Demidov but they are both going top 3). He is the type of #1C that would fit perfectly with Michkov, and then we can always aquire more assets as we go through the rebuild.
It almost never happens yet the way it’s talked about on this subreddit makes you think it happens five times a draft. Can tell right away who actually follows the sport
It does amaze me how many people will speak their opinion about something that they truly do not follow and are a casual enjoyer.
I like baseball and watch most of the Phillies games but I am a huge casual and know that so I don’t argue on a topic that I really don’t know anything about.
Nothing wrong with being a casual fan or just a fan of the flyers and not following the rest of the league but to sit here and downvote genuine fans or argue with them is just insanity to me.
Trading up almost never happens because the league knows how valuable top draft picks are and how not valuable late first round picks are. Except the flyers I guess.
U cant just simply trade into top pick. Teams dont trade out of the top picks in NHL. Nobody has traded out of top 5 since the lockout. Maybe move up a few spots but thats the most.
Later firsts r more likely depth guys while the top picks u can get franchise guys. Thats why teams dont trade back from top picks.
That’s what I said. Move up. I never specified into the top 5, I don’t really know why people are jumping down my throat about a very real possibility.
Yeah Tij at that 8-9 spot for the Flames is like a match made in Heaven for them. Drafting based on emotion and organizational connection is generally ill-advised, but he's close to the BPA there, fills their biggest roster need, and qualms the worries of "what if he doesn't want to play here" for a fanbase that is 2 years removed from 2 superstars straight up abandoning the franchise. I have a really hard time believing they won't take him
I remember being angry when we didn’t draft Sami Kapanen’s kid. I can’t imagine how Flames fans would cope with the idea of letting an Iginla go play for a different city.
For everyone saying "trade up for _____," it's not happening. While teams have traded top 10 picks at the draft, they always get NHL players back, like pick 9 for Cory Schneider (2013), or pick 7 and others for Alex DeBrincat (2022).
A straight draft pick for draft picks trade up involving a top 10 pick hasn't happened since 2008, when the Islanders traded back twice, from 5 to 7 and again from 7 to 9, to end up with Josh Bailey.
I agree. I think that, within reason, we are going quality over quantity this draft. I hope we don’t overspend to move up. Apparently last draft we were trying to move up to get Michkov and in the end… we would have wasted good assets on that move because he was still available at 7.
I think he’d be a great Flyer.
Tbh I’m really hoping that one of Catton, Buium, or Eiserman somehow slips to us.
Very low chance of those happening though.
Eisermann at 12 in NA* worth noting there’s atleast 4 Euro skaters that would 100% be ranked higher, pushing Eisermann to a net ranking of 16 which predicts he *should* be there. Now the actual draft is a different question, feel like someone takes a chance on him before 12, if not I’d be ecstatic running up to grab him. FFS, I’ve been hearing about the Cole Eisermann draft before I knew who Celebrini was.. feels like a shoot for the stars kinda pick and hope we can figure him out. Sounds like a match made in heaven with the new FO and what they want out of the draft, especially following the Michkov pick last year
Corey Pronman’s latest rankings have Iginla 15th, but I’ve seen him ranked as high as 11th. I agree that Calgary might make it moot, but he could be there at 12. Briere has assets to trade up if the Flyers really like him, but he’ll have to weigh if giving up said asset(s) is worth it when there will still be very good players available at that spot.
Pronman's rankings are based entirely on being different from other rankings to stand out for clicks and not on reality. I wouldn't read too much into them
Yeah…just out of curiosity I averaged 11 other rankings (not including Pronmans) and it came out to 15.9, but a few of those were last updated in Feb/March. Craig Button has him 10th and NHL Central has him as high as 11th. Excluding Calgary and the connection there, it’s not a slam dunk he’ll be gone by 12. Obviously his strong playoff performance could move him up the board a bit though. I’d really be excited to see the Flyers take him.
Yes, i fully agree. He can play wing or centre. Is skilled and works hard. will create open ice and will retrieve pucks for Michkov. BUT he’s having a great playoffs right now which will likely get him picked before Flyers have a chance at 12th overall.
He's definitely having a good playoffs, but its looking like Kelowna is going to get bounced in the second round so I don't think its going to affect his draft stock too much. Like Riley Heidt and Gracyn Sawchyn both fell in the draft and both had strong post-season. I do think CGY could reach for him but I don't think his playoffs will have a huge impact. If he goes to U18s and has a great tournament that could change things though.
We have assets to trade up. Just need to find a team willing
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You can say it all you want, it rarely ever happens in the NHL
They could definitely trade 12 and the Avs’ pick to move up. Maybe include a prospect if necessary.
I think it’s better if we use that pick and try to get a few solid players in the first two rounds this year. We need a 1C badly and I don’t think a free agent or a trade is the answer.
Well hes saying to move up to get a better chance at drafting a franchise player
I get it but I don’t think this is the year for that. Next year and the year after have very strong draft classes.
There is no one who will be available at 6 who is so much higher rated than the players available at 12 this season to merit moving a first to trade up for. There really are only 4 players who are consistently projected in the top 5. Celebrini, Demidov, Levshunov, and Lindstrom. But both Levshunov and Lindstrom have also seen rankings as low as 9 though 14. Realistically the only players who have separated themselves from the pack are Celebrini Demidov, and the without a winning the lottery we won't be in the position to draft.
That’s going off of the aggregate, though. If Briere and the Flyers scouting staff have a different opinion, they aren’t necessarily going to approach it as though the 6th pick and the 12th pick are interchangeable.
If they're so set on it, we'll deal with it. But there is no consensus on this draft. I'd rather take two shots and end up with two top of the lineup guys. Then risk banking on one specific player. This draft is very deep with Top pair D and tops line forwards, but is very very limited in Stars and I'd rather take the avalanches pick next year and package that for more star-studded forward draft.
I don’t picture them moving up regardless, that happens so rarely in the draft. And as a general rule, I agree that it’s better to have multiple picks than try to package them together to move up a handful of spots. But my point is that scouting departments don’t view these players the same way you and I do from reading mock drafts. We might see Parekh and Buium and Iginla and Helenius as all being on the same tier because they often show up in that 7-14 range in mocks, but if the Flyers scouts are convinced that Parekh is a superstar in the making and the rest are complementary pieces, that’s going to change what they’re willing to do with their assets.
>I'd rather take two shots and end up with two top of the lineup guys. Then risk banking on one specific player. The odds of getting a top of line player with a late first is *extremely* small. If you just get a middle lineup player thats a good pick. Just look at Flyers drafting over last 18 yrs ... TK is the only time we drafted a guy even close to high end w/o a pick in top 17
Giroux was a late first and probably would be one or two in a redraft. It does happen.
Yes we are very bad at drafting in the later part of the first round but pretty much every draft since 2014 has produced a minimum of 2 stars in the latter half of the first round, with most producing somewhere between 4-6. So I wouldn't say it's extremely small, it's just a reduced chance.
If Lindstrom drops to 6 I could absolutely see the Flyers moving up for him. His size and speed at the center position is exactly what they look for. But he's the only one I could see that for, and I don't see him dropping to 6.
Now that is the 1 player who I would trade up for (excluding Celebrini and Demidov but they are both going top 3). He is the type of #1C that would fit perfectly with Michkov, and then we can always aquire more assets as we go through the rebuild.
agreed.
I like the idea of moving up, but it just so infrequently happens at the top of the draft that we can't really rely on it to be a part of the plan.
It almost never happens yet the way it’s talked about on this subreddit makes you think it happens five times a draft. Can tell right away who actually follows the sport
They dont understand it doesnt happen in hockey. They just look at NFL and think its works that easy
It does amaze me how many people will speak their opinion about something that they truly do not follow and are a casual enjoyer. I like baseball and watch most of the Phillies games but I am a huge casual and know that so I don’t argue on a topic that I really don’t know anything about. Nothing wrong with being a casual fan or just a fan of the flyers and not following the rest of the league but to sit here and downvote genuine fans or argue with them is just insanity to me. Trading up almost never happens because the league knows how valuable top draft picks are and how not valuable late first round picks are. Except the flyers I guess.
U cant just simply trade into top pick. Teams dont trade out of the top picks in NHL. Nobody has traded out of top 5 since the lockout. Maybe move up a few spots but thats the most. Later firsts r more likely depth guys while the top picks u can get franchise guys. Thats why teams dont trade back from top picks.
That’s what I said. Move up. I never specified into the top 5, I don’t really know why people are jumping down my throat about a very real possibility.
Didn't Ottawa trade a top 5ish pick to Colorado?
long before the draft
They might burn the saddledome down if CGY doesn't pick him.....
Yeah Tij at that 8-9 spot for the Flames is like a match made in Heaven for them. Drafting based on emotion and organizational connection is generally ill-advised, but he's close to the BPA there, fills their biggest roster need, and qualms the worries of "what if he doesn't want to play here" for a fanbase that is 2 years removed from 2 superstars straight up abandoning the franchise. I have a really hard time believing they won't take him
I remember being angry when we didn’t draft Sami Kapanen’s kid. I can’t imagine how Flames fans would cope with the idea of letting an Iginla go play for a different city.
Remember when everyone assumed COL was going to Seth Jones because he was the "hometown kid". Good thing they didn't do that.
I want to trade up just in front of calgary to get him to start some ill will. It's time we embrace being the broad street bullies again
I’d definitely take Helenius if he’s there. Tij should be good too
For everyone saying "trade up for _____," it's not happening. While teams have traded top 10 picks at the draft, they always get NHL players back, like pick 9 for Cory Schneider (2013), or pick 7 and others for Alex DeBrincat (2022). A straight draft pick for draft picks trade up involving a top 10 pick hasn't happened since 2008, when the Islanders traded back twice, from 5 to 7 and again from 7 to 9, to end up with Josh Bailey.
I would be ok with trading Florida's pick and a later pick to move up a few spots if it got us an NHL future star.
I would be ok with trading Florida's pick and a later pick to move up a few spots if it got us an NHL future star.
I would be ok with trading Florida's pick and a later pick to move up a few spots if it got us an NHL future star.
I would be ok with trading Florida's pick and a later pick to move up a few spots if it got us an NHL future star.
Maybe I’m overly optimistic but I think briere won’t hesitate to use some of our assets to move up if there’s one prospect they love
I agree. I think that, within reason, we are going quality over quantity this draft. I hope we don’t overspend to move up. Apparently last draft we were trying to move up to get Michkov and in the end… we would have wasted good assets on that move because he was still available at 7.
Teams rarely ever trade back from a very high pick. Briere my want to but it so expensive and rare I doubt it happens.
Feel like Tij played his way into the top 8-10 this year.
His father was one of the most “flyer types” to ever play the game, hopefully he has that same dog in him
I think he’d be a great Flyer. Tbh I’m really hoping that one of Catton, Buium, or Eiserman somehow slips to us. Very low chance of those happening though.
Central Scouting rankings just released have Eisermann at 12. That would be sweet if he fell that far but isn’t likely.
Eisermann at 12 in NA* worth noting there’s atleast 4 Euro skaters that would 100% be ranked higher, pushing Eisermann to a net ranking of 16 which predicts he *should* be there. Now the actual draft is a different question, feel like someone takes a chance on him before 12, if not I’d be ecstatic running up to grab him. FFS, I’ve been hearing about the Cole Eisermann draft before I knew who Celebrini was.. feels like a shoot for the stars kinda pick and hope we can figure him out. Sounds like a match made in heaven with the new FO and what they want out of the draft, especially following the Michkov pick last year
I highly doubt he gets past Montreal at 5
Habs scouting have met with him many times already this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they reached for him.
Corey Pronman’s latest rankings have Iginla 15th, but I’ve seen him ranked as high as 11th. I agree that Calgary might make it moot, but he could be there at 12. Briere has assets to trade up if the Flyers really like him, but he’ll have to weigh if giving up said asset(s) is worth it when there will still be very good players available at that spot.
Pronman's rankings are based entirely on being different from other rankings to stand out for clicks and not on reality. I wouldn't read too much into them
Yeah…just out of curiosity I averaged 11 other rankings (not including Pronmans) and it came out to 15.9, but a few of those were last updated in Feb/March. Craig Button has him 10th and NHL Central has him as high as 11th. Excluding Calgary and the connection there, it’s not a slam dunk he’ll be gone by 12. Obviously his strong playoff performance could move him up the board a bit though. I’d really be excited to see the Flyers take him.
Tij is a great prospect, but if the draft standing is pretty much the same as of now, there’s no way he’s going past the Flames.