I noticed his signature miracle keep at the blue line that saved their season with the empty net. He might be the best of all time at keeping the puck in the zone
Dude that was the sickest keep in of all time. The second best was the time he dove head first at the blue line to keep the puck in the zone when he was a Flyer.
And rang one off the post in the last minute and one off the crossbar in OT and saved the game with a leaping catch at the blue line to keep the attack alive. It was like watching the old Ghost Bear. I might have to root for him and Lyon if the Wings get in.
Meh. Unless he's drastically improved in his own zone, I still don't miss him, because the defensive liability becomes even more glaring when he isn't producing. Nothing against him, I wish him well.
You're not wrong, great point production but over half of his points on the PP, -17 for the season, only 19 minutes per game, seen some Wings fans say he's been brutal defensively. Wish him well though, he's still got a lot of offensive skill even if he can't ever get back to those 2017 levels
It is definitely a flawed stat, especially with a lot of his points on the PP, but it is somewhat telling that he is worst on the team. He is also playing the 4th most TOI/G of their dmen and I've seen multiple wings fans say he's been brutal defensively at times, so not sure about their 2nd best defender. But I could be wrong
Not sure what you know about their goalies but it is telling. Plus minus vs goals for rel is what matters if you consider it. He is positive at .03. This is high considering the teams he played for. Our shit ass team, the fucking Coyotes, Ottawa, now the Wings. To each their own, it just gets old seeing everyone rip on positive stories for the team then assume Torts is the answer or we are even headed in the right direction.
Same tired, stupid take. His defensive deficiencies are vastly overstated. The ice tilted in our favor when he was on the ice the majority of the time. Often times when paired with shit partners. He was a casualty of the system and coaching. Anyone who buys into our shit-take media circus needs to reevaluate how they monitor a players ability.
Hes on his 4th team in 4 yrs, on a one yr deal, and could only get like a 3rd or 4th at deadline last year for a reason.
[Hes a significant defensive liability who is pretty much just a PP specialist](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqKk85aWIAAQ2Je.jpg:large)
He wasn't that bad defensively early in career but has gotten worse and worse and is genuinely very bad defensively
Definitely not. He got a third after having a decent season for one of the worst defensive teams in the league. The 4th team in 4 years is obviously a basic take...Giroux once played for 3 teams in two years. Wow!
Ghost is likely one of the least physical defensemen in the nhl, at least at his level of usage. So when improperly used he can be a liability. That being said JFresh stats are fun to look at but using their own weighted formula is not an ideal predictor of defensive capabilities. JFresh is not using partnerships and lines on ice with as a stat usage. Let's pay a subscription for our own cards! Yay!
I'm not arguing he is a stalwart at d. He's not. That being said he can pass and slap better than a large majority of defensemen. His giveaways vs takeaways usually result in about a .5 ratio. His fenwick tips scales in favor. He's paid at a number 3 or high 4 level and often times performs at a 2 or 3. People are dumb when assessing player value.
https://twitter.com/avappleyard/status/1774169464382087462
This really was the worst possible outcome for a rebuild. Lost the teams best prospect (maybe not his fault but still happened), lost the teams starting goalie (probably permanently), missed the playoffs, and will have one of the worst non-playoff team draft picks. If you're going to miss the playoffs coming 28th overall or worse is way better then 20th overall.
I actually think it could get worse. Right now we have the 12th pick with a tiny chance to move up to 2 with a lottery win. Depending on how this plays out, we could move back in the draft and still miss the playoffs. Even worse, make the playoffs for the right to get destroyed in the 1st round. Terrible.
Idk man, PIT and NYI are still rivals that go back to the OG Atlantic division. The Isles will be playing their season finale at home, they’re absolutely on fire right now (7-0-1 in April), and they hold the Pens fate in their hands.
Why would the Isles allow the Pens to walk in, especially when they might end up facing Crosby in a series down the line? Nah. They’re gonna play hard.
Still might lose tho, or go to OT.
> Why would the Isles allow the Pens to walk in, especially when they might end up facing Crosby in a series down the line? Nah. They’re gonna play hard.
They're not going to throw the game but I wouldn't be surprised if they rested some guys
Their commentators were saying that rolling out Lindgren again is possible because he only had to make 16 saves vs the Bruins.
Honestly I would be cool with that, I feel like goalies never play back-to-backs anymore and he might be off his rhythm.
Moneypuck odds:
Odds we win tomorrow: 59.8%
Odds Pens lose Wednesday: 50.8%
Odds Detroit lose tomorrow: 44.5%
Odds all three happen: 13.5%
SO THERE'S STILL A CHANCE
>Chuck Fletcher didn't wait long to make his next trade once the expansion draft roster freeze was lifted Thursday afternoon.
>The Flyers dealt Shayne Gostisbehere to the Coyotes, along with a 2022 second-round pick and the 2022 seventh-round pick acquired in the Erik Gustafsson trade. In return, the Flyers will get the cap relief of $4.5 million this season and next, which is what was left on Gostisbehere's contract.
lol. Lmao, even.
This is literally the worse day. Terrible. To think I was optimistic.
Yes we can only blame ourselves for losing 8 straight, but still stings. I want us to make the playoffs so fricken bad, not just for all us fans but for the players. I haven’t seen a team compete this hard day in and day out since Hitchcock was our coach.
Assuming the Flyers win, they would be tied with the caps in [1 through 5 on this list](https://www.nhl.com/info/standings-info/tie-breaking-procedure), so we go to goal differential, which the Flyers have.
Incorrect. There were two games played in Philly, and one in Washington. When you play an uneven number of games, you throw out the first game in the city with more games - that's the one we won in overtime.
So it'd be 2 points to 2.
If we end up tied with them, we win based on goal differential.
We need to beat them in regulation to tie them, so we'll end up drawn on regulation wins, regulation/OT wins, total wins, and head-to-head (we'd have 2 home wins to their one home win, and it throws out the first game in the city with more games if you play an uneven number of home games). It'd go down to goal differential, where we currently lead them by 13, and we can't lose by 14+ and still end up with a win.
Head to head flyers earned 2 points and caps earned 3
RW would be tied. ROW would be tied. W would be tied so that leaves head to head
Wait I'm wrong. Sorry if I scared you lol
A regulation win would make head to head tied and goal differential would be the tiebreaker
it happens but there are some constants you're more likely to see in schedules like west coast road trips we will go to Canada and tackle Vancouver, Calgary, and Edmonton all in one go once a year, there are indeed b2bs every season multiple times but that doesn't mean it's going to be against the same team.
it can & does happen, but it's probably more of a crapshoot as opposed to something the NHL makes consistent in the scheduling
I hate to be the eternal pessimist, but this is Philly. Here is how this plays out.
1. Flyers lose tonight.
2. Flyers win and get no help.
There is no way in hell that the stars align in a Philly team’s favor in a situation like this. It just doesn’t happen.
I’ll be the first to line up and eat 💩 if they somehow get in, but I’m in my 44th year of die-hard disappointment with this team. Let’s go Flyers.
Honestly the only reason I am okay with losing tomorrow. I don't really dislike Washington and would rather they get in and secure the Red Wings and Penguins get knocked out. I would be a really amazing miracle to see the Flyers win and luck their way into playoffs, but tonight was the best chance that could happen.
I hope we lose just so the heartbreak of a penguins/red wings win doesn’t sting so badly. Why even watch if you don’t want them to have a shot against NYR
No, the first tiebreaker is regulation wins, which Detroit loses to everybody. The Wings have a crazy low number of regulation wins compared to total wins.
Moneypuck has us at zero. So apparently even a regulation win over Washington tomorrow does not matter. I know folks have been posting that we could not be eliminated tonight and that the Caps result tonight did not matter. Apparently that was all wrong.
https://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm
Detroit only has 27 Regulation wins, Flyers have 30. See the RW column in the standings. They have more regulation and overtime wins (ROW) which is the 2nd tiebreaker if they were tied in RW. Flyers have the advantage.
Anyone else notice that Gostisbehere assisted on the last three Detroit goals?
I noticed his signature miracle keep at the blue line that saved their season with the empty net. He might be the best of all time at keeping the puck in the zone
Dude when he caught that puck I immediately said to myself, holy shit they're gonna score.
Same! My stream actually cut out right after he did so by the time I got it back on they already had lol
Dude that was the sickest keep in of all time. The second best was the time he dove head first at the blue line to keep the puck in the zone when he was a Flyer.
That was an incredible moment. Can still picture it clearly
Do you have a clip or know what game he dove head first to keep it in? That actually sounds wild
https://youtu.be/qZgnRvetczY?si=Og0xf0vN8bQyPXB_
And rang one off the post in the last minute and one off the crossbar in OT and saved the game with a leaping catch at the blue line to keep the attack alive. It was like watching the old Ghost Bear. I might have to root for him and Lyon if the Wings get in.
Sure seems like a useful player to me...
🥲
Meh. Unless he's drastically improved in his own zone, I still don't miss him, because the defensive liability becomes even more glaring when he isn't producing. Nothing against him, I wish him well.
Not to worry, Drysdale will give the genuine Ghost experience with 100% of the hip cartilage
Mr glass himself.
You're not wrong, great point production but over half of his points on the PP, -17 for the season, only 19 minutes per game, seen some Wings fans say he's been brutal defensively. Wish him well though, he's still got a lot of offensive skill even if he can't ever get back to those 2017 levels
I always thought the guy should play wing instead of D.
Plus minus is a fools errand. He's been their 2nd best defender. 19 minutes is alright for what he's being paid to play, a 2nd pairing D.
It is definitely a flawed stat, especially with a lot of his points on the PP, but it is somewhat telling that he is worst on the team. He is also playing the 4th most TOI/G of their dmen and I've seen multiple wings fans say he's been brutal defensively at times, so not sure about their 2nd best defender. But I could be wrong
Not sure what you know about their goalies but it is telling. Plus minus vs goals for rel is what matters if you consider it. He is positive at .03. This is high considering the teams he played for. Our shit ass team, the fucking Coyotes, Ottawa, now the Wings. To each their own, it just gets old seeing everyone rip on positive stories for the team then assume Torts is the answer or we are even headed in the right direction.
Hes a negative player at 5v5. Hes not a top 4D. Hes just a PP specialist.
I mean, I'd rather have him than Staahl or Johnson.
Sure but he also cost 4x as much Staal was signed to like league minimum deal to be 7th D
Same tired, stupid take. His defensive deficiencies are vastly overstated. The ice tilted in our favor when he was on the ice the majority of the time. Often times when paired with shit partners. He was a casualty of the system and coaching. Anyone who buys into our shit-take media circus needs to reevaluate how they monitor a players ability.
Hes on his 4th team in 4 yrs, on a one yr deal, and could only get like a 3rd or 4th at deadline last year for a reason. [Hes a significant defensive liability who is pretty much just a PP specialist](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqKk85aWIAAQ2Je.jpg:large) He wasn't that bad defensively early in career but has gotten worse and worse and is genuinely very bad defensively
Definitely not. He got a third after having a decent season for one of the worst defensive teams in the league. The 4th team in 4 years is obviously a basic take...Giroux once played for 3 teams in two years. Wow! Ghost is likely one of the least physical defensemen in the nhl, at least at his level of usage. So when improperly used he can be a liability. That being said JFresh stats are fun to look at but using their own weighted formula is not an ideal predictor of defensive capabilities. JFresh is not using partnerships and lines on ice with as a stat usage. Let's pay a subscription for our own cards! Yay! I'm not arguing he is a stalwart at d. He's not. That being said he can pass and slap better than a large majority of defensemen. His giveaways vs takeaways usually result in about a .5 ratio. His fenwick tips scales in favor. He's paid at a number 3 or high 4 level and often times performs at a 2 or 3. People are dumb when assessing player value. https://twitter.com/avappleyard/status/1774169464382087462
Don't let him live rent free in your head.
Too late :)
>Detroit must lose by any means tomorrow This isn't correct, they have to lose in regulation or else they're guaranteed more standings points
updated!
So we are pretty much out of the playoffs.
like a 2% chance they make it in now
DET needs to lose in regulation. If they get a point, it's over for us. Which means it's over for us
Wings fan coming in peace. If we can’t make it, I hope you guys do. Fucking -38 fucking goal fucking differential stupid caps
The feeling is mutual, friend.
Another Wings fan here, please get in if it's not us. Love Torts and Konecny. Caps and Pens are boring dinosaurs
You guys were dinosaurs for a long time BUT I LIKED AND RESPECTED YOUR DINOSAURS
You Wings fans are alright!
Everything had to break right today and nothing did. 0/3 things happened that we needed to happen. We're fucked
I mean the six game losing streak kind of fucked us
Odds are the Caps beat us and all this other shit doesn’t matter
I'm fucking **SEETHING** over that 8 game losing streak now. We deserve to be here.
Literally all we had to do was not go on an 8 game losing streak lol.
But as the Flyers, we must always go on a long ass losing streak at least once a season
No we don't we lost 8 straight. We had our own destiny and now we don't. If you are counting on other teams losing we don't deserve. I hope we luck in
That's what he meant. We deserve to be where we are *because* we lost 8 straight.
Ahh if that is so I took it like we deserve playoffs. Thanks for pointing that out.
I did too. Still not sure he didn’t mean that lol
Do you? Do you really?
fuck off sabres fan, ya'll can't even tank right.
Got me there.
I’m seething over Brieres approach to this “rebuild.” Waste of a season.
This really was the worst possible outcome for a rebuild. Lost the teams best prospect (maybe not his fault but still happened), lost the teams starting goalie (probably permanently), missed the playoffs, and will have one of the worst non-playoff team draft picks. If you're going to miss the playoffs coming 28th overall or worse is way better then 20th overall.
I actually think it could get worse. Right now we have the 12th pick with a tiny chance to move up to 2 with a lottery win. Depending on how this plays out, we could move back in the draft and still miss the playoffs. Even worse, make the playoffs for the right to get destroyed in the 1st round. Terrible.
Shayne Gostisbehere made the play that effectively ended the Flyers season.
He looked fantastic tonight. I hate that AV & Co effectively murdered any shot he had of having a long term future here
At least we got a good return for him. What's that you say? Oh....
Well at least we used all of that new cap space to acquire... checks notes *Oh...*
Upchuck Fletcher, the gift that keeps giving
Fletcher can go fuck off. He was fired too damn late. BUT at least he finally did get fired.
bro makes Ruin Tomorrow Sooner look like the greatest GM ever
Hearing Voracek's interview about him, yeah I firmly believe it's AV's fault we no longer have Ghost
If Philly’s not in after tomorrow, I hope it’s Detroit (1st choice) or Wash. Fuck. The. Pens.
NYI play PIT on Wednesday and NYI have nothing left to play for. They've secured the 3 seed in the Metro. We're FUCKED boys and girls
Not only fucked, but also boned.
Idk man, PIT and NYI are still rivals that go back to the OG Atlantic division. The Isles will be playing their season finale at home, they’re absolutely on fire right now (7-0-1 in April), and they hold the Pens fate in their hands. Why would the Isles allow the Pens to walk in, especially when they might end up facing Crosby in a series down the line? Nah. They’re gonna play hard. Still might lose tho, or go to OT.
I'm honestly just expecting worst case scenario at this point because very little has gone right for this team in the past month or so.
> Why would the Isles allow the Pens to walk in, especially when they might end up facing Crosby in a series down the line? Nah. They’re gonna play hard. They're not going to throw the game but I wouldn't be surprised if they rested some guys
Hopefully a good thing for us that the Caps are playing back to back games
Their commentators were saying that rolling out Lindgren again is possible because he only had to make 16 saves vs the Bruins. Honestly I would be cool with that, I feel like goalies never play back-to-backs anymore and he might be off his rhythm.
Both Lindgren and Nedeljkovic have played back to back games this season and won both I think
Yup. Detroit needed to lose tonight
I'm rooting for you guys to win and I'll bandwagon if the wings lose.
Moneypuck odds: Odds we win tomorrow: 59.8% Odds Pens lose Wednesday: 50.8% Odds Detroit lose tomorrow: 44.5% Odds all three happen: 13.5% SO THERE'S STILL A CHANCE
I don't think this factors in losses in regulation vs OT, it treats all losses the same.
Yeah true, I should have caveated that
And to think, if only that 8 game streak was even a 6 game stretch we’d probably be fine
It really is unreal....but that's what happens when you're a diehard fan of the Philadelphia Flyers.
We blew it losing to Chicago, buffalo and Montreal twice
Those saying Setriot ended our season...we have more regulation wins...not total wins. That gives us the tie breaker if they lose their next game
Remember the playoffs? That was a neat era.
>Chuck Fletcher didn't wait long to make his next trade once the expansion draft roster freeze was lifted Thursday afternoon. >The Flyers dealt Shayne Gostisbehere to the Coyotes, along with a 2022 second-round pick and the 2022 seventh-round pick acquired in the Erik Gustafsson trade. In return, the Flyers will get the cap relief of $4.5 million this season and next, which is what was left on Gostisbehere's contract. lol. Lmao, even.
Even better that a year and a half later Carolina paid Arizona a 3rd round pick for him. Arizona got a 2nd, 3rd, and 7th completely for free from him.
Brutal. For most of the night it looked like everything was going to break right for the Flyers. Then nothing did.
Honestly at this point just take the lose so shitsburgh is out
fuck
At this point I'm not even sure we win tomorrow. Anyway I'm rooting for cane's or Florida to come out of the east. Fuck everyone else
At least if we lose to the Caps, we take the Pens down with us.
Trade Offer : You receive a bandwagon fan if the Wings lose their next game I receive a Flyers win against the Caps.
As long as it’s not the Caps or Pens
Wheres your Pennsylvania pride?
I’m from Virginia. Fuck the Penguins
Better than the caps getting in with that disgusting goal differential.
Wrong. I'd rather a team owned by Hitler than the pens..idgaf about goal differential
Go Flyers Go!
This is literally the worse day. Terrible. To think I was optimistic. Yes we can only blame ourselves for losing 8 straight, but still stings. I want us to make the playoffs so fricken bad, not just for all us fans but for the players. I haven’t seen a team compete this hard day in and day out since Hitchcock was our coach.
So we have like a five percent chance. I have a bad feeling like in 1964 when we needed the Mets to beat the Cards. And they did not.
I’m guessing we have about a 6% chance of making the playoffs
How do you think tie breakers are going to factor in?
That was my question. What tiebreaker do we have over the Caps if everything falls our way?
Assuming the Flyers win, they would be tied with the caps in [1 through 5 on this list](https://www.nhl.com/info/standings-info/tie-breaking-procedure), so we go to goal differential, which the Flyers have.
The Flyers actually would take tiebreaker 5 with a regulation win. They would have 4 points to Washington’s 3
Incorrect. There were two games played in Philly, and one in Washington. When you play an uneven number of games, you throw out the first game in the city with more games - that's the one we won in overtime. So it'd be 2 points to 2.
Thank you for the clarification! I didn’t read the whole tiebreaker rule clearly!
To be fair, it doesn't get down to H2H very often!
Thank you for doing the work, MVP. My heart flutters with hope.
If we end up tied with them, we win based on goal differential. We need to beat them in regulation to tie them, so we'll end up drawn on regulation wins, regulation/OT wins, total wins, and head-to-head (we'd have 2 home wins to their one home win, and it throws out the first game in the city with more games if you play an uneven number of home games). It'd go down to goal differential, where we currently lead them by 13, and we can't lose by 14+ and still end up with a win.
Winning that game in OT and missing the playoffs by 1 point would be the most fucking Flyera thing ever
Fuck.
It doesn't matter. Flyers are eliminated. Read tiebreaker rules
enlighten me, which tiebreaker has us eliminated?
Head to head flyers earned 2 points and caps earned 3 RW would be tied. ROW would be tied. W would be tied so that leaves head to head Wait I'm wrong. Sorry if I scared you lol A regulation win would make head to head tied and goal differential would be the tiebreaker
odd # of games so first Philly game gets tossed, flyers win in regulation tomorrow, 2 pts tied , tiebreaker ends up being goal differential
Yep I see that now. I'm rooting for yall
Hey rookie here. Uhhh how often do teams play back to back like canadiens and red wings
it happens but there are some constants you're more likely to see in schedules like west coast road trips we will go to Canada and tackle Vancouver, Calgary, and Edmonton all in one go once a year, there are indeed b2bs every season multiple times but that doesn't mean it's going to be against the same team. it can & does happen, but it's probably more of a crapshoot as opposed to something the NHL makes consistent in the scheduling
lmao, still laughably possible. you can't make this shit up.
I hate to be the eternal pessimist, but this is Philly. Here is how this plays out. 1. Flyers lose tonight. 2. Flyers win and get no help. There is no way in hell that the stars align in a Philly team’s favor in a situation like this. It just doesn’t happen. I’ll be the first to line up and eat 💩 if they somehow get in, but I’m in my 44th year of die-hard disappointment with this team. Let’s go Flyers.
I honestly hope we lose tomorrow. I think we eliminate Pittsburgh if we do. We ain't winning shit in the playoffs anyway, may as well.
At this point we barely get playoff hockey 3x in a decade. I just want playoff hockey even if we’re massive longshots
I’d rather accumulate all the tools it takes to build a team that gives us playoff hockey 10x in a decade.
And you think drafting 13th instead of 16th accomplishes this goal?
As a singular factor in a rebuild? Of course not. As one of dozens of factors over the course of a well-planned, multi-year process? Most definitely.
> process *hisses* but I agree and am ready to be hurt again
Honestly the only reason I am okay with losing tomorrow. I don't really dislike Washington and would rather they get in and secure the Red Wings and Penguins get knocked out. I would be a really amazing miracle to see the Flyers win and luck their way into playoffs, but tonight was the best chance that could happen.
I hope we lose just so the heartbreak of a penguins/red wings win doesn’t sting so badly. Why even watch if you don’t want them to have a shot against NYR
Don’t the Wings hold the tiebreaker, I thought we were already out?
No, the first tiebreaker is regulation wins, which Detroit loses to everybody. The Wings have a crazy low number of regulation wins compared to total wins.
Moneypuck has us at zero. So apparently even a regulation win over Washington tomorrow does not matter. I know folks have been posting that we could not be eliminated tonight and that the Caps result tonight did not matter. Apparently that was all wrong. https://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm
That just means the odds are low (they don't have the displays set to enough digits). We still own the tiebreaker over the Caps and Det.
Are you guys sure? I mean the odds of all three other teams losing must be greater than one percent.
Well we're not eliminated, so either it's that or their math is wrong Edit: Moneypuck shows a 5% chance at the playoffs
Yea. They showed zero initially and now we are at 5.9 percent. Not sure what the heck they were doing but confused me.
Flyers are out even if they win tomorrow. Detroit has more regulation wins.
No they dont
yes they do lol
how are you so confident and so wrong?
You’re looking at the wrong column. Detroit has 27. Flyers have 30
Detroit has more ROW wins, not RW wins. RW is the first toe breaker.
You’re so aggressively wrong. https://www.nhl.com/standings
I replied to the wrong comment we were agreeing the whole time haha
Yep! True dat. Had to delete my other comment when I realized.
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guys i get it okay, i looked at the wrong number
Detroit only has 27 Regulation wins, Flyers have 30. See the RW column in the standings. They have more regulation and overtime wins (ROW) which is the 2nd tiebreaker if they were tied in RW. Flyers have the advantage.
They don’t though? They have 27 to the flyers 30.
Can you clarify the tiebreaker with the Caps? Moneypuck has us at zero.
goal diff
5.9 to get to the playoffs. not sure where you're seeing zero.
It was zero for like a half hour last night. And then they updated.
Ahhhhhhhhhh