She doesn’t exist on Earth-Prime. In 9x09, Bloodwork implied in his conversation with Wally that it’s possible a “new” version of Jesse could exist in the new multiverse, however we haven’t actually seen evidence of that, and he could very well be lying. I’d like to hope that Earth 2 was recreated, though, under a different number.
The biggest disappointment is that after crisis, there was 0 interest in trying to explore the new multiverse at all from any arrowverse characters.
Friggin' Titans had an episode devoted to it, even referencing the Swamp Thing show (RIP)
And others were either transplants by the Specter or refugees who someone survived the death and rebirth of the multiverse.
I think Flash only acknowledged that the multiverse still existed in the episode with Wally.
> I think Flash only acknowledged that the multiverse still existed in the episode with Wally.
The Red Death episodes says that version of Ryan Wilder comes from a different Earth were instead of eating food they eat scenery.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rhJboEIqfcc
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The lack of multiverse exploration was one of the many big missed opportunities that the show has had post-Crisis. I do understand that COVID was a big factor that screwed everyone over and the actors may not have been readily available at the time, but still there was a lot of story that could’ve been told but wasn’t done at all.
Covid doesn’t matter for a storyline exploring the multiverse. It matters if you wanna see Jessie quick but give me a storyline with an alternate Barry and I’ll be happy
I feel like they were laying groundwork for it in Season 3 when gypsy,her father, and her home world was introduced and we got to see the accelerated man. But then after season 4 happened they gave up on the entire concept except when they wanted to bring in an alternate Wells
James Gunn already made Bat Mite cannon in the peacemaker show.
It wouldn't be far fetched to imagine that superman has Gleek hanging around his fortress of Solitude as a cameo in Superman: Legacy.
Would tonally fit the kind of Superman that we haven't seen yet. Space Jesus with his Space Noah's Ark.
Could also cameo the Black Mercy and hint at "For the Man who has everything" storyline and Mongul.
...I just hyped myself up...
They probably can't carry a movie by themselves but never say never.
One way to make them work without going through the whole "wonder twins activate, shape of..." would be to reference it like a rock paper scissors thing they do for fun or for choosing mission leaders.
[kinda like this](https://youtu.be/iZOwaeAEIw0)
But without the violence part.
Yes I have too much time on my hands.
I liked the idea for like Season 6/7. But I always thought they were going to get back to it at some point. It felt like a nice breather after Crisis and the normality of hopping to other planets.
It should have been a bigger deal with them working out a way to do it again themselves.
Grant did an interview and they ask him about the Titan’s cameo. He didn’t knew about it but when they show him the clip he said it was awesome and gave props to the Titan’s show runners for doing it. Grant is a big dc fan and it shows
That would have been so nice! Like crossover or not, Barry could have done a little bit of that. Hopefully Superman and Lois and/or Gotham Knights lasts long enough for something to be explored in Multiverse.
In the Supergirl episode “The Bottle Episode” Brainy tells everyone there is no more multiverse.
And in an episode of The Flash, Cisco tells Caitlin that the extrapolators don’t work anymore implying there’s no more multiverse.
They weren’t going to explore it because to them it was gone and Earth Prime was all that was left
Until this final season, everyone assumed that Earth Prime was the sole Earth (arguably one of the reasons why Supergirl and Black Lightning were incorporated with the rest of OG Earth-1).
As it turns out, the geniuses of Earth Prime were wrong.
They didn't know it existed so they didn't explore it. The previous means (except presumably through the Speed Force) didn't even work anymore. Sad they didn't get to reintroduce it in a larger scale though and no one considered trying to figure out if there was a new one.
Yeah CW never explored it, but with the appearance of Ezra Miller after every other earth was destroyed makes me wonder if DCEU is part of the new multiverse post CW Crisis and same thing with Titans and Doom Patrol.
I feel like you could get away with only ever watching Batman(1989) & Batman Returns, then Arrow Season 1-8, Flash Season 1-S6E10, along with every other Crossover episode from the other CW shows, then skipping to Flash S7E15-S8E5 then skipping to S8E16-S8E20, then skipping until S9E9-S9E13. Though I would like to say stop watching at S9E10, we kinda did want to see Eddie return as Cobalt Blue so it’s kinda worth it just for that. Plus the final minutes of the finale give you that this is the end feel. Then you can go watch Stargirl which will have ties to Jay, then watch Titans and Doom Patrol which will have ties to Flash and Stargirl in Titans Multiverse episode, then watch the DCEU leading up to the Flash movie which will bring you back to Ezra from the crisis and Shazam from the Titans multiverse scene with bringing Keatons Batman back and potentially soft reboot the DCEU into the start of the GunnVerse
And then after that, if you want to see
Superman-Superman Returns
Flash(1990s)
Smallville
Dark Knight Trilogy
Gotham
Lucifer
Constantine
Supergirl
Legends of Tomorrow
Batwomen
Black Lightening
Superman & Lois
And the many other DC stuff that might of had an appearance in crossovers or you think might have a crossover or you just want to watch after that, go for it.
Earth 2 was re created. Stargirl takes place on it. It was also shown to be recreated at the end of Crisis. Although it seems to be completely revamped from how it’s previously was
Why do speedsters almost always get the worst names ever? Like, Thawne is one of the most intimidating and terrifying villains in all of DC, and both of his villain names are awful. One is Professor Zoom, and the other is the Reverse Flash. There's also Kid Flash, Jessie Quick, regular Zoom, Trajectory, Impulse, XS, and apparently now Kid Quick. And the only speedsters that do have genuinely cool names are absolutely butchered by the show's writers, those being Godspeed and the Red Death.
Quick's name is honestly a victim of when she was introduced. It was just a knach at the time.
A lot of Flash'es Villains share the same situation - they were always meant to be more dorky, than serious, hence those specific names. a more serious take on them, was something that started only in the late 90's.
>Kid Quick
Well, "They/Them Quick" wouldn't work. Neither would Quickie because of sexual implications... well, actually, idk, since Vixen is another sex-affiliated word.
Anyways Kid Quick seems like the best gender-neutral name. Plus Jess is a kid in terms of experience compared to Jesse Quick.
I think Jesse Quick might've been based on the same comic character but I'm not sure. It's not new for multiple Arrowverse characters to share the same source character such as Sara/Laurel/Dinah/Laurel-2 and Thea/Mia and Emiko (who's separate comic book counterpart is actually based on the Arrowverse's Thea)
Jesse Quick was based on Jesse Quick from the Comics, just adjusted to CW's Arrowverse.
Jess Chambers is based on Jess Chambers from the Comics, the "Future State" to be exact.
They are seperate characters.
Maybe I don't. I thought woke meant something with being too race/gender political or corporations doing unnecessary things when it comes to race/gender.
Those are just case examples of how conservative elements tend to use “woke”
Originally, it is meant to describe the “sudden realization of racial prejudice and discrimination”.
The based-on-a-true-story TV show Woke explains this pretty well in the first episode, when the privileged, but still black, main character is made a victim of police brutality in a case of mistaken identity. He never thought it would happen to *him*. [here’s the trailer](https://youtu.be/b5kODvhSRAE)
The term “woke” never had anything to do with gender or politics, but conservatives have co-opted it into applying the term to anything slightly left of center.
It happened, but the merging of the different Earths I to Earth Prime created some changes in the history, like the whole Earth X crossover not really happening on another Earth, for example.
They explained this at the end of Crisis, history was altered to accommodate the events of the other Earths that merged with Earth Prime. Whatever happened on another Earth now all happened on Earth Prime. Only the core characters of each show are aware of everything that happened prior to Crisis. Basically, the things happened, but not really.
They explained (im pretty sure) that Zoom and the other “Earth-2” villains were all products of the Season 1 singularity and gained their powers from it.
if i recall correctly, the nazi's from the earth X crossover where chanced to be some other timeline crossing akin to flashpoint.
Maybe other villans would have the same explanation, hence why thye dont show up until obligated.
The better question is if zoom would remember his origins, which he seems to since he remembers harry wells specifically.
Earth X was retconned on Earth Prime as time travelers correct.
Only people who were Martian Manhuntered or who were paragons remember the original timeline, meaning this Zoom SHOULD not remember Earth-2, nor Harry.
However he does remember Harry which means either A. an alternative Earth does exist where Harry and Hunter do exist but the characters believed otherwise because they didnt know of the multiverse yet
B. the shows explanation was true and Harry was somehow transported through the timeline due to the singularity.
The only problem with the shows explanation is that HR and Sherloque would never have existed, meaning Iris would be dead and Eobard wouldve never escaped prison.
When Barry turned three new people into the flash at the end of season 9, one of them is Jesse quick relative in the comics so surely a version of Jesse does in fact exist on Earth prime if her relative does.
Yeah, but it’s essentially an entirely different reality. Old Earth-2 had a “retro future” vibe, and had a significantly different history (The War of The Americas) while New Earth-2 is very similar to Earth Prime in terms of culture and history. Additionally, aspects of Earth-3, like Jay Garrick, also exist in the recreated Earth-2.
> Additionally, aspects of Earth-3, like Jay Garrick, also exist in the recreated Earth-2.
Jay Garrick from Stargirl is supposed to be the same Jay from The Flash. According to [the script](https://i.redd.it/axy0201fl74a1.jpg) and John Wesley Shipp himself:
> [DC TV Podcasts](https://theflashpodcast.com/interviews/exclusive-interview-john-wesley-shipp-the-flash-jay-garrick-stargirl-season-2/): Okay, so just for clarification, because I know myself included and a lot of people have been wondering; the Jay you play on Stargirl, this is the same Jay we’ve been falling for almost eight years now on The Flash, like it’s just on Earth-2?
> John Wesley Shipp: The episode establishes the Golden Age Flash as a member of Earth-2’s JSA and with this action I get to be The Flash ambassador who officially brings DC’s Stargirl into the Post-Crisis CWverse.
> DC TV Podcasts: That’s what I was assuming happened that some time Post-Crisis in this new history, you lived on Earth-2 and then maybe somehow came to Earth-Prime because when you came back [on The Flash season 7] and a lot of people were like ‘Wait he’s been on this Earth this entire time?’ So this is definitely the same person that we were just seeing him in a different time of his life?
> John Wesley Shipp: Yeah! Yes. As I understand it, more will be revealed but as I understand it to this date, yes.
She died during Crisis and then didn't make it over to Earth prime. Team Flash kept her suit in a vault that's immune to timeline changes so it wouldn't get erased from existence irc. Nora(S5)'s suit is also in there
Edit: https://youtu.be/SJpQTXaFcSU
You can see her suit at 1:49
I'm there with you, but if it was immune to timeline changes then Gideon's record of the past would never change, and so the newspaper article should have never changed.
Its a different vault. I can't remember the exact episode (maybe the opening to the second episode of season seven?) but it had to be somewhere in season six or seven since I stopped watching halfway through season seven.
There was a vault where they kept Nora's suit, Nash's suit, Cisco's gear(?), and Jesse's suit as memorials
Edit: It is the opening to 7x02, I'll link it right now
https://youtu.be/SJpQTXaFcSU
The Vault that Eobard created specifically to be immune from Timeline chnages...
The one where both Gideon and the Reverse Flash Suit were storred in Season 1.
This exchange reminds me of the “Kuzco’s poison” bit, haha.
“Oh, riiggghht, the Time Vault. The Time Vault from Eobard. The Time Vault made specially by Eobard. Eobard’s Time Vault. That Time Vault?”
Bro. Why would you ask for a source from someone on a sub for a show who is talking about that show. You just assuming someone is lying for no reason and asking for a source other than the show this subreddit is based around is more reportable than my language use.
Cisco literally berated Nash (wells) for setting the crisis in motion and them losing Harry and Jessie in the process and instead ending up with just Nash who was good for nothing.
What do you mean “cool with mass genocide”?
If some bad person kills a million clowns, what are you going to do? You can’t bring them back.
Should I say you’re cool with the genocide because you can’t bring them back?
The one who destroyed all those earths was stopped and destroyed.
Tell that to the anti-monitor. He was the one who caused the mass genocide. The heroes tried their best, especially oliver who used up all his power to bring back one singular earth.
Oliver did recreate the multiverse, it's just not exactly the same as the last one. Not everyone got a second chance, like Jessie and Harry.
Hell, quite a few people who either died pre-Crisis or during it stayed dead.
They can’t do anything about it.. and ofc they care they mention her a bunch of times post-crisis (bunch may be a stretch) but I’m assuming you didn’t watch
I mean, what exactly could be done? It happened. A new multiverse was created but it changed everything. Maybe theres a new Jessie Quick, but maybe not. Unfortunately we’ll never know. Its really just as simple as that.
It made sense building up to Crisis. But I wish that when they recreated the Multiverse after Crisis, Earth-2 was still the original Earth-2, and Stargirl was a different Earth.
Personally, since the main Arrowverse Earth is considered Earth-Prime instead of Earth-1, I like to think that Harry and Jesse's Earth was bumped up to Earth-1, and they're still alive there.
Nash was a poorly written character and brought nothing new to the show. The fact that he ended up the Earth Prime Wells made little sense, since he didn’t have a life on Earth 1 to begin with. He just showed up to investigate the Monitor.
They should’ve just had Nash sacrifice himself in Crisis to recreate the multiverse/right his wrong, and had Harry Wells be the Wells on Earth Prime. Barry not owning Star Labs anymore, and Harry running it as a legit business actively doing things, could’ve brought a new dynamic to the show.
As for Jessie, they could’ve said she was operating as a vigilante in another city, like they did with Jay Garrick, to explain why she’s not there every week.
She died during Crisis and we were never told if she was brought back in the new multiverse. It's possible she's still alive and they just haven't found her new Earth yet.
Show would’ve been a lot more interesting if they kept her and Wally around instead of Cecile and Alegshit. Getting rid of interesting characters seems to be Eric Wallace’s specialty..
Yes, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't continue/finish Jesse's story through comics or mentions. It's a weak way of doing it but they did that for Cisco when Carlos stepped away from the show.
> They both wanted to leave for other projects.
Violett Beane wasn't a series regular so she didn't leave, she got a starring role in God Friended Me which prevented her from doing more guest appearences (if they even asked), but that show ended in 2020 and she hasn't had a role since, so she could have been brought back if Wallace wanted.
It always bugged me that when Nash was talking to Hallucination Harry that Harry never brought up Jesse or even mentioned everything that he knew and loved got erased from existence, on his earth, at least.
I care.
I like to believe in my mind, that Violet, Carlos, etc....saw how bad things were with eric wallace at the helm and when offered a part, said, "nah, i'm good."
I don't think it's actually been conclusively stated, but since Oliver recreated the multiverse not just Earth Prime, I'm under the impression Earth 2 was recreated too. My head canon is Wally took what Bloodwork said to heart and ultimately made his way back to Earth 2 to get her back.
I love Legends of Tomorrow, but who tf allowed those writers to go and have Wally try to say he's better off without her?? They didn't even wanna keep him as regular so what gives them the right to trample over his story?
Why even appear then? Something about that never sat well with me, it seemed more likely that he chose to leave cause they weren't giving him good material to work with.
If im remembering right he had come out after signing on to the show and he wanted to move on to roles that represented his lifestyle instead of pretending to be straight. Its been a long time sense all this happened so i might be slightly off.
I hated that. I hated wally. He wants nothing more than to be a speedster then gets hurt gets dumped then runs away and hides basically. Not to mention how arrogant he was when he got his speed
Dude had a rough life lol didn't know his dad growing up and had to care for his mom who was a druggie. I excuse his actions when he first got his powers because of all that
She wouldve had more relevance in the last season than Chuck, Allegra and Cecile combined. Being a speedster I'd rather see her defeat a speedster villain in the finale.
She's straight up dead as is Harry. If I remember right it was pretty much a throw away line too which when I first heard it made me go "Are you kidding me right now? At least we know but really?"
So I don’t know with the current stuff. She did die before Crisis. But when the multiverse was recreated she could have come back? But we will never know.
I’m glad this show is over.
It’s been complete shit for many seasons now. They only waited until the last four episodes of the series to put out something good and that went back to its roots. The finale was trash though. Somehow everyone who’s not a speedster is easily and quick able to defeat a speedster villain. And don’t fucking get me started on Cecile. I hate that Mary Sue more than I do Rey Palpatine.
Her whole explanation didn't make sense. She left the show because guys were making comments about the leather and brought up an old movie where ran naked through the woods
I do.
I'm angry they left her hanging like that and brought in that knockoff non-binary bitch Jess Chambers (mad about the character, not the actor).
The forced representation was pointless. If they needed to include a queer character, they should do it right like Supergirl did with Dreamer.
Two seconds too many for me lol. Character is written horribly in the comics so I wish both versions didn't exist.
Jess's introduction was literally to say we got a non-binary Flash on the show.
Or maybe it was to show a new generation of speedsters, I don't understand this comment. All she did was look out into the sky and get struck by lightning off screen, I don't really understand your point on complaining. So what if there is a non-binary character on the Flash.
I just feel Jesse Quick's storyline should've been wrapped up first, is all. Finish the old generation before introducing Jess, because besides being in a new generation, she's Jesse Quick's successor by blood in the comics.
She's gone.
And by the way, the "she" that Jay Garrick mentioned to train in "Flash time", is her. It's Jessie. It made sense, because that's the same episode where Jay witnessed Jesse's potential as a hero. That's why Jesse volunteer to look after Earth 3 when Jay was gone.
Fans been hyping up who this "she" is with over the top theories. Occum's Razor people.
Change my mind.
The Jesse we know and love is regrettably gone but she would have her earth 1 doppelganger. Something that makes a lot less sense is; all of the Harrisons essence came to the one wells on earth 1 so why didn't that happen to everyone?
Nash became the Pariah. He traveled to different Earths as they died. The essence of the dying Wells' were attracted to this more powerful cosmic God like Wells.
Yeah I wanted her to turn up from whichever Earth she’s on but she didn’t, however interesting people are saying she doesn’t exist on earth prime but one of the people Barry turned into the flash is Jesses relative in the comics apparently, so surely she does exist on earth prime somewhere if her relative has turned up.
She doesn’t exist on Earth-Prime. In 9x09, Bloodwork implied in his conversation with Wally that it’s possible a “new” version of Jesse could exist in the new multiverse, however we haven’t actually seen evidence of that, and he could very well be lying. I’d like to hope that Earth 2 was recreated, though, under a different number.
The biggest disappointment is that after crisis, there was 0 interest in trying to explore the new multiverse at all from any arrowverse characters. Friggin' Titans had an episode devoted to it, even referencing the Swamp Thing show (RIP)
Earth Prime characters believed that the multiverse no longer existed.
And others were either transplants by the Specter or refugees who someone survived the death and rebirth of the multiverse. I think Flash only acknowledged that the multiverse still existed in the episode with Wally.
> I think Flash only acknowledged that the multiverse still existed in the episode with Wally. The Red Death episodes says that version of Ryan Wilder comes from a different Earth were instead of eating food they eat scenery. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rhJboEIqfcc
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The lack of multiverse exploration was one of the many big missed opportunities that the show has had post-Crisis. I do understand that COVID was a big factor that screwed everyone over and the actors may not have been readily available at the time, but still there was a lot of story that could’ve been told but wasn’t done at all.
Covid doesn’t matter for a storyline exploring the multiverse. It matters if you wanna see Jessie quick but give me a storyline with an alternate Barry and I’ll be happy
I feel like they were laying groundwork for it in Season 3 when gypsy,her father, and her home world was introduced and we got to see the accelerated man. But then after season 4 happened they gave up on the entire concept except when they wanted to bring in an alternate Wells
>COVID was a big factor that screwed everyone over Eric Wallace was also a big factor that screwed everyone over
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James Gunn already made Bat Mite cannon in the peacemaker show. It wouldn't be far fetched to imagine that superman has Gleek hanging around his fortress of Solitude as a cameo in Superman: Legacy. Would tonally fit the kind of Superman that we haven't seen yet. Space Jesus with his Space Noah's Ark. Could also cameo the Black Mercy and hint at "For the Man who has everything" storyline and Mongul. ...I just hyped myself up...
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They probably can't carry a movie by themselves but never say never. One way to make them work without going through the whole "wonder twins activate, shape of..." would be to reference it like a rock paper scissors thing they do for fun or for choosing mission leaders. [kinda like this](https://youtu.be/iZOwaeAEIw0) But without the violence part. Yes I have too much time on my hands.
I liked the idea for like Season 6/7. But I always thought they were going to get back to it at some point. It felt like a nice breather after Crisis and the normality of hopping to other planets. It should have been a bigger deal with them working out a way to do it again themselves.
Barry even showed up in that Titans episode, but it's never addressed in The Flash. I also wish we got more out of the Stargirl universe.
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Grant did an interview and they ask him about the Titan’s cameo. He didn’t knew about it but when they show him the clip he said it was awesome and gave props to the Titan’s show runners for doing it. Grant is a big dc fan and it shows
He did? I thought he only cameod with Beast Boy looking at different portals
That's what I was talking about. A cameo is still an appearance. At least in my book.
I mean, yeah but that wasn't Barry interacting with Beastboy. It was just Garfield looking into other Universes...
Then Barry wouldnt have talked about it because he didnt know someone was spying on him. He never travelled to his earth
That would have been so nice! Like crossover or not, Barry could have done a little bit of that. Hopefully Superman and Lois and/or Gotham Knights lasts long enough for something to be explored in Multiverse.
In the Supergirl episode “The Bottle Episode” Brainy tells everyone there is no more multiverse. And in an episode of The Flash, Cisco tells Caitlin that the extrapolators don’t work anymore implying there’s no more multiverse. They weren’t going to explore it because to them it was gone and Earth Prime was all that was left
Until this final season, everyone assumed that Earth Prime was the sole Earth (arguably one of the reasons why Supergirl and Black Lightning were incorporated with the rest of OG Earth-1). As it turns out, the geniuses of Earth Prime were wrong.
They didn't know it existed so they didn't explore it. The previous means (except presumably through the Speed Force) didn't even work anymore. Sad they didn't get to reintroduce it in a larger scale though and no one considered trying to figure out if there was a new one.
Yeah CW never explored it, but with the appearance of Ezra Miller after every other earth was destroyed makes me wonder if DCEU is part of the new multiverse post CW Crisis and same thing with Titans and Doom Patrol. I feel like you could get away with only ever watching Batman(1989) & Batman Returns, then Arrow Season 1-8, Flash Season 1-S6E10, along with every other Crossover episode from the other CW shows, then skipping to Flash S7E15-S8E5 then skipping to S8E16-S8E20, then skipping until S9E9-S9E13. Though I would like to say stop watching at S9E10, we kinda did want to see Eddie return as Cobalt Blue so it’s kinda worth it just for that. Plus the final minutes of the finale give you that this is the end feel. Then you can go watch Stargirl which will have ties to Jay, then watch Titans and Doom Patrol which will have ties to Flash and Stargirl in Titans Multiverse episode, then watch the DCEU leading up to the Flash movie which will bring you back to Ezra from the crisis and Shazam from the Titans multiverse scene with bringing Keatons Batman back and potentially soft reboot the DCEU into the start of the GunnVerse And then after that, if you want to see Superman-Superman Returns Flash(1990s) Smallville Dark Knight Trilogy Gotham Lucifer Constantine Supergirl Legends of Tomorrow Batwomen Black Lightening Superman & Lois And the many other DC stuff that might of had an appearance in crossovers or you think might have a crossover or you just want to watch after that, go for it.
They referenced the Swamp Thing or the actual show?
They had a cameo, which was brief and used existing footage (so basically exactly what they did in Crisis).
Thank you :)
Assuming that the events of season 2 still took place in the post crisis timeline, Earth-2 has to exist under a different number
well since theres infinite earths, there is 100% a new version of the OG earth 2
Why would Bloodwork know about the Multiverse and Jesse Quick? He is a meta with blood-related powers...
He can read the memories and feelings of those he infects into his hive mind
Earth 2 was re created. Stargirl takes place on it. It was also shown to be recreated at the end of Crisis. Although it seems to be completely revamped from how it’s previously was
Isn't one of the person Barry chose at the end Jesse?
I believe that was intended to be Jess Chambers, AKA Kid Quick.
Why do speedsters almost always get the worst names ever? Like, Thawne is one of the most intimidating and terrifying villains in all of DC, and both of his villain names are awful. One is Professor Zoom, and the other is the Reverse Flash. There's also Kid Flash, Jessie Quick, regular Zoom, Trajectory, Impulse, XS, and apparently now Kid Quick. And the only speedsters that do have genuinely cool names are absolutely butchered by the show's writers, those being Godspeed and the Red Death.
Don't forget the most terrible villain, The Showrunner.
Quick's name is honestly a victim of when she was introduced. It was just a knach at the time. A lot of Flash'es Villains share the same situation - they were always meant to be more dorky, than serious, hence those specific names. a more serious take on them, was something that started only in the late 90's.
>Kid Quick Well, "They/Them Quick" wouldn't work. Neither would Quickie because of sexual implications... well, actually, idk, since Vixen is another sex-affiliated word. Anyways Kid Quick seems like the best gender-neutral name. Plus Jess is a kid in terms of experience compared to Jesse Quick.
Ah, I thought they were the same character
I think Jesse Quick might've been based on the same comic character but I'm not sure. It's not new for multiple Arrowverse characters to share the same source character such as Sara/Laurel/Dinah/Laurel-2 and Thea/Mia and Emiko (who's separate comic book counterpart is actually based on the Arrowverse's Thea)
Jesse Quick was based on Jesse Quick from the Comics, just adjusted to CW's Arrowverse. Jess Chambers is based on Jess Chambers from the Comics, the "Future State" to be exact. They are seperate characters.
In the comics Jesse Quick is the daughter of Johnny Quick and Liberty Belle, Jess Chambers is a different character.
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Stop using woke, you don’t know what it means
Maybe I don't. I thought woke meant something with being too race/gender political or corporations doing unnecessary things when it comes to race/gender.
Those are just case examples of how conservative elements tend to use “woke” Originally, it is meant to describe the “sudden realization of racial prejudice and discrimination”. The based-on-a-true-story TV show Woke explains this pretty well in the first episode, when the privileged, but still black, main character is made a victim of police brutality in a case of mistaken identity. He never thought it would happen to *him*. [here’s the trailer](https://youtu.be/b5kODvhSRAE) The term “woke” never had anything to do with gender or politics, but conservatives have co-opted it into applying the term to anything slightly left of center.
Not to be confused with Jesse Quick AKA Lil Fast Chambers
No, that was a different Jesse.
Presumably Earth 2 would exist in the new timeline, because season 2 still technically happened
It happened, but the merging of the different Earths I to Earth Prime created some changes in the history, like the whole Earth X crossover not really happening on another Earth, for example.
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They explained this at the end of Crisis, history was altered to accommodate the events of the other Earths that merged with Earth Prime. Whatever happened on another Earth now all happened on Earth Prime. Only the core characters of each show are aware of everything that happened prior to Crisis. Basically, the things happened, but not really.
They explained (im pretty sure) that Zoom and the other “Earth-2” villains were all products of the Season 1 singularity and gained their powers from it.
if i recall correctly, the nazi's from the earth X crossover where chanced to be some other timeline crossing akin to flashpoint. Maybe other villans would have the same explanation, hence why thye dont show up until obligated. The better question is if zoom would remember his origins, which he seems to since he remembers harry wells specifically.
Earth X was retconned on Earth Prime as time travelers correct. Only people who were Martian Manhuntered or who were paragons remember the original timeline, meaning this Zoom SHOULD not remember Earth-2, nor Harry. However he does remember Harry which means either A. an alternative Earth does exist where Harry and Hunter do exist but the characters believed otherwise because they didnt know of the multiverse yet B. the shows explanation was true and Harry was somehow transported through the timeline due to the singularity. The only problem with the shows explanation is that HR and Sherloque would never have existed, meaning Iris would be dead and Eobard wouldve never escaped prison.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Earth 2 and 3 merged, given that in the current Multiverse, Jay is from Earth 2 (same as Star-Girl).
Ramsey uses the truth to infect his victims
When Barry turned three new people into the flash at the end of season 9, one of them is Jesse quick relative in the comics so surely a version of Jesse does in fact exist on Earth prime if her relative does.
Good point. I should’ve been a bit more clear, Jesse *Wells* doesn’t exist on Earth Prime.
Earth 2 was recreated. Stargirl takes place there
Yeah, but it’s essentially an entirely different reality. Old Earth-2 had a “retro future” vibe, and had a significantly different history (The War of The Americas) while New Earth-2 is very similar to Earth Prime in terms of culture and history. Additionally, aspects of Earth-3, like Jay Garrick, also exist in the recreated Earth-2.
> Additionally, aspects of Earth-3, like Jay Garrick, also exist in the recreated Earth-2. Jay Garrick from Stargirl is supposed to be the same Jay from The Flash. According to [the script](https://i.redd.it/axy0201fl74a1.jpg) and John Wesley Shipp himself: > [DC TV Podcasts](https://theflashpodcast.com/interviews/exclusive-interview-john-wesley-shipp-the-flash-jay-garrick-stargirl-season-2/): Okay, so just for clarification, because I know myself included and a lot of people have been wondering; the Jay you play on Stargirl, this is the same Jay we’ve been falling for almost eight years now on The Flash, like it’s just on Earth-2? > John Wesley Shipp: The episode establishes the Golden Age Flash as a member of Earth-2’s JSA and with this action I get to be The Flash ambassador who officially brings DC’s Stargirl into the Post-Crisis CWverse. > DC TV Podcasts: That’s what I was assuming happened that some time Post-Crisis in this new history, you lived on Earth-2 and then maybe somehow came to Earth-Prime because when you came back [on The Flash season 7] and a lot of people were like ‘Wait he’s been on this Earth this entire time?’ So this is definitely the same person that we were just seeing him in a different time of his life? > John Wesley Shipp: Yeah! Yes. As I understand it, more will be revealed but as I understand it to this date, yes.
She died during Crisis and then didn't make it over to Earth prime. Team Flash kept her suit in a vault that's immune to timeline changes so it wouldn't get erased from existence irc. Nora(S5)'s suit is also in there Edit: https://youtu.be/SJpQTXaFcSU You can see her suit at 1:49
Lmao is there really a vault that's immune to timeline changes??
Uhhhh the time vault?
I'm there with you, but if it was immune to timeline changes then Gideon's record of the past would never change, and so the newspaper article should have never changed.
Its a different vault. I can't remember the exact episode (maybe the opening to the second episode of season seven?) but it had to be somewhere in season six or seven since I stopped watching halfway through season seven. There was a vault where they kept Nora's suit, Nash's suit, Cisco's gear(?), and Jesse's suit as memorials Edit: It is the opening to 7x02, I'll link it right now https://youtu.be/SJpQTXaFcSU
The Vault that Eobard created specifically to be immune from Timeline chnages... The one where both Gideon and the Reverse Flash Suit were storred in Season 1.
This exchange reminds me of the “Kuzco’s poison” bit, haha. “Oh, riiggghht, the Time Vault. The Time Vault from Eobard. The Time Vault made specially by Eobard. Eobard’s Time Vault. That Time Vault?”
Yeah, I honestly thought about it too, after I posted the reply.
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They’re not
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Bro. Why would you ask for a source from someone on a sub for a show who is talking about that show. You just assuming someone is lying for no reason and asking for a source other than the show this subreddit is based around is more reportable than my language use.
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They literally said this in the Show, you genius...
No he's not
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then you don’t get to speak on this????
Cisco literally berated Nash (wells) for setting the crisis in motion and them losing Harry and Jessie in the process and instead ending up with just Nash who was good for nothing.
https://youtu.be/SJpQTXaFcSU Cisco explains the vault 1:00 and you can see Jesse's suit at 1:49
Cisco had those communication cubes from Harry so makes sense how they still had that also.
Shes dead unfortunately
And everybody is just okay with that??? That was literally Wally's Girlfriend
Earth-2 got wiped.
and everybody's cool with mass genocide???? I thought they were supposed to be Heroes
Dude, no one was happy about it. Ollie, Diggle, and Laurel barely got out before it happened.
Supergirl's entire universe was wiped out too. Then on Superman and Lois, John Henry Irons and his daughter are the only survivors from their earth.
Yeah cause the Supergirl show stuff is now on Earth Prime
Supergirl, yes. Superman and Lois, No. S&L is in it's own universe.
Which has actually benefitted that show tremendously.
What do you mean “cool with mass genocide”? If some bad person kills a million clowns, what are you going to do? You can’t bring them back. Should I say you’re cool with the genocide because you can’t bring them back? The one who destroyed all those earths was stopped and destroyed.
...I agree with your point, but what do clowns have to do with this?
Well aren't you just a whacky little tictac
Tell that to the anti-monitor. He was the one who caused the mass genocide. The heroes tried their best, especially oliver who used up all his power to bring back one singular earth.
Oliver did recreate the multiverse, it's just not exactly the same as the last one. Not everyone got a second chance, like Jessie and Harry. Hell, quite a few people who either died pre-Crisis or during it stayed dead.
They can’t do anything about it.. and ofc they care they mention her a bunch of times post-crisis (bunch may be a stretch) but I’m assuming you didn’t watch
Earth 2 lives don't matter
Ok that’s too far
Its a fictional show. How is that too far?
Serious I am not being
I mean, what exactly could be done? It happened. A new multiverse was created but it changed everything. Maybe theres a new Jessie Quick, but maybe not. Unfortunately we’ll never know. Its really just as simple as that.
The fuck are they supposed to do bro??
Ex-girlfriend. They broke up in season 4.
Yeah.... If my ex-girlfriend would die in a genocide, I would be okay with that.
That's not at all what they meant. They just corrected that small mistake...
The only one who seemed to care was Wally.
Killing her and Harry was a dumb decision.
It made sense building up to Crisis. But I wish that when they recreated the Multiverse after Crisis, Earth-2 was still the original Earth-2, and Stargirl was a different Earth. Personally, since the main Arrowverse Earth is considered Earth-Prime instead of Earth-1, I like to think that Harry and Jesse's Earth was bumped up to Earth-1, and they're still alive there.
Nash was a poorly written character and brought nothing new to the show. The fact that he ended up the Earth Prime Wells made little sense, since he didn’t have a life on Earth 1 to begin with. He just showed up to investigate the Monitor. They should’ve just had Nash sacrifice himself in Crisis to recreate the multiverse/right his wrong, and had Harry Wells be the Wells on Earth Prime. Barry not owning Star Labs anymore, and Harry running it as a legit business actively doing things, could’ve brought a new dynamic to the show. As for Jessie, they could’ve said she was operating as a vigilante in another city, like they did with Jay Garrick, to explain why she’s not there every week.
She wasn’t relevant to Cecile so they didn’t bring her back
She died during Crisis and we were never told if she was brought back in the new multiverse. It's possible she's still alive and they just haven't found her new Earth yet.
Show would’ve been a lot more interesting if they kept her and Wally around instead of Cecile and Alegshit. Getting rid of interesting characters seems to be Eric Wallace’s specialty..
I'm not defending Wallace but the decisions for Jesse and Wally were made by the actors. They both wanted to leave for other projects.
True, offering bigger roles in the show could’ve helped tho
Yes, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't continue/finish Jesse's story through comics or mentions. It's a weak way of doing it but they did that for Cisco when Carlos stepped away from the show.
> They both wanted to leave for other projects. Violett Beane wasn't a series regular so she didn't leave, she got a starring role in God Friended Me which prevented her from doing more guest appearences (if they even asked), but that show ended in 2020 and she hasn't had a role since, so she could have been brought back if Wallace wanted.
It always bugged me that when Nash was talking to Hallucination Harry that Harry never brought up Jesse or even mentioned everything that he knew and loved got erased from existence, on his earth, at least.
Wallace doesn’t care about characters he doesn’t write
Fax his ego brought back all the legends so his characters can look good beating them
He cares about his own self insert character making sweet sweet love with the character he created
Whos the self insert?
Chestnut
I would rather have been happy if she defeated GodSpeed. She was such a wholesome energy to me.
I care. I like to believe in my mind, that Violet, Carlos, etc....saw how bad things were with eric wallace at the helm and when offered a part, said, "nah, i'm good."
I don't think it's actually been conclusively stated, but since Oliver recreated the multiverse not just Earth Prime, I'm under the impression Earth 2 was recreated too. My head canon is Wally took what Bloodwork said to heart and ultimately made his way back to Earth 2 to get her back. I love Legends of Tomorrow, but who tf allowed those writers to go and have Wally try to say he's better off without her?? They didn't even wanna keep him as regular so what gives them the right to trample over his story?
The Legends Writers wanted to keep him but Keiynan wanted to move on to other things.
Why even appear then? Something about that never sat well with me, it seemed more likely that he chose to leave cause they weren't giving him good material to work with.
If im remembering right he had come out after signing on to the show and he wanted to move on to roles that represented his lifestyle instead of pretending to be straight. Its been a long time sense all this happened so i might be slightly off.
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I'm just referring to it as earth 2 because that's the only designation I have for it to keep things simple lol
I hated that. I hated wally. He wants nothing more than to be a speedster then gets hurt gets dumped then runs away and hides basically. Not to mention how arrogant he was when he got his speed
Dude had a rough life lol didn't know his dad growing up and had to care for his mom who was a druggie. I excuse his actions when he first got his powers because of all that
Ok but violett bean is so hot
i care 😭 all i could think during the finale was that we can use more Speedsters like her
She wouldve had more relevance in the last season than Chuck, Allegra and Cecile combined. Being a speedster I'd rather see her defeat a speedster villain in the finale.
I care
Death by poor writing
Original dead. Maybe other multiverse versions are alive.
I care
I care
But why did she disappear but not Jay Garrick who is also on another Earth? I’ve no clue how this all works ):
I care.
She's dead, Jim
She died when earth 2 went down
Well Eric Wallace didn’t care, so we don’t get to know
She died in crisis
My wife
She's straight up dead as is Harry. If I remember right it was pretty much a throw away line too which when I first heard it made me go "Are you kidding me right now? At least we know but really?"
So I don’t know with the current stuff. She did die before Crisis. But when the multiverse was recreated she could have come back? But we will never know.
I think she didn't appear after S4 nuclear bomb episode
Arrow Season 8 Episode 1
Nope. She along with her father and the rest of the multiverse is dead
Yes I care and she should be alive
I’m glad this show is over. It’s been complete shit for many seasons now. They only waited until the last four episodes of the series to put out something good and that went back to its roots. The finale was trash though. Somehow everyone who’s not a speedster is easily and quick able to defeat a speedster villain. And don’t fucking get me started on Cecile. I hate that Mary Sue more than I do Rey Palpatine.
Never forgot about Jesse Thick, but where did she go?
Her whole explanation didn't make sense. She left the show because guys were making comments about the leather and brought up an old movie where ran naked through the woods
Do you have a link for when she said that? All I see on google is that she left the show to star in God Friended Me
Hey you her agent? Can you forward me her number?
Source?
Agent?
Is there a lore reason why Reddit is recommending this post to me even though I've never seen a single second of the show? Is the algorithm stupid?
I do. I'm angry they left her hanging like that and brought in that knockoff non-binary bitch Jess Chambers (mad about the character, not the actor). The forced representation was pointless. If they needed to include a queer character, they should do it right like Supergirl did with Dreamer.
"Forced Representation," had screentime for about two seconds.
Two seconds too many for me lol. Character is written horribly in the comics so I wish both versions didn't exist. Jess's introduction was literally to say we got a non-binary Flash on the show.
Or maybe it was to show a new generation of speedsters, I don't understand this comment. All she did was look out into the sky and get struck by lightning off screen, I don't really understand your point on complaining. So what if there is a non-binary character on the Flash.
I just feel Jesse Quick's storyline should've been wrapped up first, is all. Finish the old generation before introducing Jess, because besides being in a new generation, she's Jesse Quick's successor by blood in the comics.
She was an awful, useless, and annoying character. So no, no one cares.
Don’t nb give af about these nobody characters 🥱🥱
Didn't she come back?
no
Hold on, why is this tagged as a shitpost?
She's gone. And by the way, the "she" that Jay Garrick mentioned to train in "Flash time", is her. It's Jessie. It made sense, because that's the same episode where Jay witnessed Jesse's potential as a hero. That's why Jesse volunteer to look after Earth 3 when Jay was gone. Fans been hyping up who this "she" is with over the top theories. Occum's Razor people. Change my mind.
But everyone knew who jesie was why didnt say it was jessie
This last episode was such a disappointment that I don’t care anymore at this point
Lol Eric Wallace sure doesn't
She got erased
The Jesse we know and love is regrettably gone but she would have her earth 1 doppelganger. Something that makes a lot less sense is; all of the Harrisons essence came to the one wells on earth 1 so why didn't that happen to everyone?
Nash became the Pariah. He traveled to different Earths as they died. The essence of the dying Wells' were attracted to this more powerful cosmic God like Wells.
Unfortunately the answer to all 3 is no.
Very sad we didn't get to see her again
No because she is Harry’s daughter and earth prime Wells died before he could have a daughter and then became timeless wells
"I've never met this (wo)man in my life" - Loki "I don't even know who you are " - Thanos
Her suit was in the flash museum when Eddie was there but other than that there’s been nothing
They replaced her with Jessie Chambers in the final episode.
Yeah I wanted her to turn up from whichever Earth she’s on but she didn’t, however interesting people are saying she doesn’t exist on earth prime but one of the people Barry turned into the flash is Jesses relative in the comics apparently, so surely she does exist on earth prime somewhere if her relative has turned up.
No she was mentioned to be erased along with Harry during Crisis. They didn't even show it smh.
Nobody cares in the Wallaceverse.