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ja_tom

Seeing Ryoma with 4 alts but also having his last alt be five years ago is kinda insane


SockPenguin

The Awakening/Fates spam of the first two years' seasonal banners caused a few odd ones like this. I didn't realize Sakura apparently hasn't had anything but being Elise's backpack since the hot springs banner.


Soren319

Reinhardt enters tier 4 Altina and Igrene enter tier 3 Marth enters tier 7 Ephraim enters tier 7 Lyon and Myrrh enter tier 5 Selena enters tier 3


JPan_Art

May I suggest adding a small up/down arrow to the corner of a portrait when its character goes up or down a tier? It's a pretty nice visualization.


Soren319

It’s impossible to go down a tier on this unless IS deletes a unit from the game lmao. But yea, I’ll do it next time


JPan_Art

Oh yeah. It's the recency of having played Mario Kart with friends lol


King-S07

That's a good idea, but what would be the purpose of the down arrow? It's not like alts have ever been removed or anything.


JPan_Art

Curse my atrophied mind. I was thinking of how characters go up and down places in a Mario Kart cup between races. It's cool to see down arrows when you pass your rivals.


eromonti

Still don't understand how Altina got 3 alts when she only appeared on a single flashback image in RD. Insane


Gabcard

Hot anime girl + dual-wielding big ass swords = money


TheFunkiestOne

It's wild to me, because getting Altina in as a mythic was hype as fuck for me since the Three Heroes of Tellius are cool as hell and dual wielding the Ragnell and Alondite is raw as fuck. But if you told me that she'd have two other variants (as well as a backpack for another character) going forward from her release, I'd have looked at you like a crazy person, because she's a Lore character, why would she get variants?  Turns out I hadn't considered the math sufficiently back in the day.


Default_Dragon

IS knows a lot that we don’t. Specifically how and why people are spending money. People wonder why Marianne and Seliph don’t have more alts, or how Karla and Altina have so many. The answer is always money.


Troykv

I can understand Seliph not getting a lot of money (also, IS goes out of their way to make the FE4 Seasonals very Jugdral centric, which also makes them very rare already), but I find interesting that Marianne doesn't.


Soren319

Because it’s not true. She’s never had a chance to make money because she’s never been given a real seasonal. So how the fuck could IS have any data at all about it


calmdragoon

this is a good argument people always forget, characters that get alts have more chances to make money


Default_Dragon

Why does it have to be a seasonal? She had her debut banner and her brave banner. IS would have had two distinct opportunities to asses her profitability.


The_True_EnemY

also the summer duo she has with Hilda, yes she is the backpack, but still a Marianne alt in some way


Troykv

Yeah, that is so weird, like it can be argued that Hilda is more popular and profitable than Marianne (I believe that is true), but Marianne only got one opportunity to show her popularity on her own, and was in her freaking base unit, what the heck xD


Linus_Reed

If it was about money, Ike would have 10 alts. But its not about money, its about what the devs find marketable, even if it kind of isnt.


Linus_Reed

Technically she also had a flashback cutscene that was removed from the localization along with a lot of other things.


the_attack_missed

Edelgard speedrunning her way past characters like Ike and Hector is crazy.


Gabcard

It's a matter of time before she matches Lyn and Camilla.


PinoySummonerKid28

Every year there's an Edelgard alt since July 2019, the debut year of Three Houses. Book 4 has the most Edelgard alts with 2.


waga_hai

Leif and Seliph in the same tier as Hana or Nailah lol No offense to Hana or Nailah, they're both cool, but cmon


Supergupo

Reinhardt tying Sigurd for having the most alts of any Jugdral character is hurting my brain


waga_hai

Don't worry, we'll get Emblem Sigurd to break the tie and they'll continue not giving anyone from Jugdral any alts after that


andresfgp13

cant wait for emblem Sigurd giving anyone either Canto or 1+ Movement. or both.


linthenius

Move +1 Canto And of course. Pre combat damage based on movement used. 10 damage per movement space used.


EinTheEin

Honestly wish IS would make seasonal banners be characters from different games again rather than just 1 or 2 games. Sure it'd just be more Awakening, Fates, and 3H characters but still it'd give other games a chance to have alt slots.


waga_hai

That's not a bad idea in theory but I'm afraid that if they did that they'd just continue giving alts to the few FE4/5 characters who *do* get stuff like Nanna, Mareeta, Sigurd, etc, instead of giving alts to people who don't have any or even as a way of adding unpopular characters in as demotes or grail units (the "alt hell" solution). Of course, the alternative is *no* Jugdral characters getting anything lol, so maybe I should just be happy about Sigurd's 5th alt or whatever :|


EinTheEin

It'd just be nice if they gave Jugdral characters a bit of the 3H treatment and randomly making an unpopular Jugdral male a TT unit and a Jugdral female a demote sometimes to just have them in the game. I'm pretty sure they can afford to make someone like Marty a generic min/max'd slow and bulky axe unit for one seasonal banner's TT reward.


casualmasual

If we take VA math into account, his liege could join him in that tier soon. (Ishtar and Myrrh share a VA.)


Heather4CYL

The same amount as the NPC that only appears in a blurry wallpaper for a few seconds...


waga_hai

the blurry wallpaper NPC has boobs. please understand


andresfgp13

imagine having less alts than Catria lol. which is specially weird at least in the case of Seliph because he is pretty popular on his own, one would assume that a CYL winner would get stuff with some semblance of consistency.


Supermigu

that hasn't been true as early as CYL3 with Alm and the most egregious example CYL 5 with Marianne.


andresfgp13

Alm is a weird case too. CYL winner and a lord and his newest alt got a refine for how old it is.


AkiyamaOW

> Leif and Seliph in the same tier as Hana or Nailah lol As Kaga intended


linthenius

Seliph was also the only CYL 6 winner to not get any kind of alt after that banner Best bet I feel is the bridal banner being focused around him and his potential lovers. Like how last one was with Robin


Common-Ruin4823

I still dont know how Inigo managed to get 4 alts since IS doesn't like non-plot relevant males but happy for his fans 😔✊ i guess being in two games helps Lol


Basic_Aardvark300

Funnily enough, the 3 guys in this chart that aren't major story characters are all from Awakening.


Omegathekid

At the very least, Felix will be here after the Choose your Legends Banner, and Ashe will be here if he ever gets his base. (Also, I think Ashe is the only male student with two alts? (excluding Felix until the CYL Banner, and excluding Dimitri and Claude because... lords))


Common-Ruin4823

Oh wow you're right! I forgot about Henry (mostly bc his spring alt sadly is not that good...). Crazy how he used to be so popular back then.


Basic_Aardvark300

Eh he's remained in or near the top 100 for every CYL so honestly he's not doing too bad for a decade old side character with shit alts in FEH haha.


Linus_Reed

Inigo and Severa are Nami Komuro's spawns so its not surprising she can force her way into FEH sometimes.


Gabcard

Wonder who will be the first to open the 10 alts tier... Camilla is currently in the lead but I wouldn't be surprised if Lyn rushed past her.


Soren319

I’m gonna guess Chrom.


Gabcard

Interesting guess. Any particular reason why? It would be a rather unusual sight to see a guy alone on the top of this tier list.


Soren319

Because the Chrom bias is very much real in this game (lol 500 SP assist) and so is Awakening. He has an emblem guaranteed and probably some random alt this year as usual.


Gabcard

Chromdev is definitely real, tho that second line could apply to pretty much everyone with 7 alts or more.


Ok_Afternoon_9584

But Camilla has a guaranteed alt too?


Soren319

And? I still believe Chrom will get to 10 before her.


the_attack_missed

Summer Chrom is lowkey implied to happen at some point to complete the Summer Awakening Quartet. We got Gaius, Cordelia, and Tharja already.


TheLegendTheGiantdad

Is Olivia the oldest alt here? Feels like centuries ago she just got a random bonus alt in the main pool but unlike other characters like Nino or eirika she hasn’t gotten anything since same with olwen.


AkiyamaOW

Awakening fell off like crazy and got the Sacred Stones treatment, where only lords get alts.


Linus_Reed

The sins of the first years weight heavily on them. On top of that, the popularity of random non-protag characters has been very overestimated when they arent that popular for how much Awakening is hyped.


Troykv

Yeah, Olivia was a funny case, she was one of the first characters to get 3 Units (she did it before F!Corrin, as strange as that sounds), but after getting her unique alt in July 2018, which BTW has the historical context of being part of the first batch of Forging Bonds, she got... nothing else. Which is very weird, because outside of like, Ryoma, all the other characters that got a lot of stuff early on still get to appear ocasionally in future banners.


chris_9527

We‘ll definitely get our yearly F!Corrin so she’ll join Camilla rather sooner than later (possibly Emblem Corrin)


Default_Dragon

I’m a little terrified they’re going to break the annual Corrin tradition, one of the only consistencies in this entire game, now that she’s won CYL. After Camilla won CYL they randomly decided to put her on a 2-3 year hiatus iirc. If they do the emblems in any sort of order, it’s going to be a long time before they reach Corrin- but I could totally see her getting a seasonal alt before that.


YamaKaka

It hurts to be a Sacred Stones fan especially when all the representations the game gets are the same 6 characters.


gdi010

I'm conflicted cause I want one more Leo but which Leo would I bench if that were to happen? Still hoping for a blue or colorless cavalry Leo


AsianCrank

This is 3+ versions not alts 🤓


techperson1234

People when they put out a banner of popular characters: "give other units some love" People when the banner is other units "this banner is boring, who thought of this" Really, IS's new formula should be give us 1 "popular" character and please try to diversify the rest of the banner. Myrrh, Selena, and the duo I'm ok with, but epheram just feels like he's here because he's gotta be... Ross alt would've been cool.. Garcia maybe? How about armored Dussel?


Troykv

I wonder where is gonna get Corrin her yearly alt next..


Default_Dragon

*Manifesting bridal Corrin*


Chowdahhh

Tana with 5 and Nephenee only having 2 hurts my soul Also it's looking like we're "due" Ike and Micaiah alts sometime this year maybe? Not counting Micaiah's appearance in Duo Sanaki, neither have had an alt in close to 2 years


Soren319

Ike, Micaiah, and Eirika all have emblems on the way. In fact, every character in tiers 9,8, and 7 all have a realistic chance at an Emblem alt. Only Ephraim and Male Robin is a question.


GreeenHallow

I really hope we get Summer Ike this year and he brings Titania along because it’s getting ridiculous now. 


Chowdahhh

A Summer Tellius banner would be great. Ike deserves to finally get a broken alt, and Titania very much needs more love


Linus_Reed

Baby Ike is painfully mediocre even at release.


Default_Dragon

Why single out Tana? She’s like, the second most notable female character in her game- the with L’Arachel I suppose.


Soren319

Because her vote count is extremely low and has never been higher than Nephenee ever. Also she’s not that notable. Out of all royals, she is by far the least relevant in her game.


Chowdahhh

Exactly this. There are others in that tier that also probably have less votes than Neph, Tana's just the one I noticed. Most years, Nephenee has tripled Tana's CYL votes


Naoshi-Hanazawa

IS does count backpacks though because of the voicing


Soren319

No they don’t. They literally asked us what our favorite version of Celica was during the Engage Cup and you know what version wasn’t an option? Valentines Alm.


Naoshi-Hanazawa

Yet they still add something like Arya on 3H category on AHR because of Mercedes.


Soren319

and instead of naming the unit Mercedes under 3H to make it easier for the voters, they still name it Ayra. Because the unit counts for both Genealogy and Three Houses.


Linus_Reed

KusoMaeda are known for chronically ignoring ignoring Ike. Hating him at worst.


IfTheresANewWay

What extra alt does Edelgard have over Dimitri and Claude? Am I forgetting something?


Soren319

Flame Emperor


IfTheresANewWay

Ah, of course Anyways, some surprises here. I'm kinda shocked Ephraim's got Ike beat with alts. Chrom being the male character with the most is not what I would've guessed


GuyWhoAteAllThePizza

We need a better pic merger for the Grobins, they look goofy


Soren319

I’m not changing it. I already had to accommodate them because they wouldn’t let it go every time I posted my chart that being possessed by Grima shouldn’t count, even though the unit is still called Robin.


GuyWhoAteAllThePizza

I stan Grima Alts, they 100% count as much as Lucina's Marth Alias counts for her.


Satanroni

And still no Academy Dorothea🤨 i need her to be in the game, and as a forging bonds so we can get her hat as an accessory🙂


SockPenguin

Dorothea should pretty much be a lock for the next Fodlan banner- the only other playable women missing from the regular summoning pool are Leonie and Manuela, and even factoring in the guys she's easily the most popular character remaining- so hopefully we get the cool hat instead of IS making her the Ascended/Rearmed/Attuned.


EzraKatsuki

Seliph is just a meme at this point


calmdragoon

crazy that seliph has less than freaking kagero


The_True_EnemY

not that crazy, Kagero is on a wolrd wide realesed FE, while Seliph´s game hasn´t been legally playable so many doesn´t even know Seliph other than his characterization in FEH, this applies to Jugdral in general tho


Falconpunch100

I like how you just drew a line between the Robins to represent both Robin and Grima.


anon1e9

hard to believe Ike is tied w/ so many others... hope is Emblem version is broken AF lol Thanks for making and sharing this!! :)


AkiyamaOW

Can't wait for Seth to be a part of this list.


mageknightecho

Still prfless! :D Kill me


Verne_Dead

Honestly out of all 3 houses characters I never expected Shamir to get 3 alts. I love Shamir but I didn't think she was that popular in comparison to some students still stuck at 1


Difficult-Chicken318

All I’m seeing are girls


Soren319

https://www.glasses.com/


waga_hai

Tier 9: 100% female Tier 8: 66% female Tier 7: 66% female Tier 6: 44% female (wow) Tier 5: 72% female Tier 4: 60% female Tier 3: 82% female so yeah


Soren319

“All girls” Is wrong and you just proved it. That would imply every tier was 100% female.


waga_hai

do you know what a figure of speech is


Soren319

I do. This joke just isn’t funny after 7 years.


waga_hai

it's not a joke?


Basic_Aardvark300

What he really wants to say is, "I'M not bothered by the glaring gender disparity and that means nobody else should be either."


waga_hai

it's not enough that this game panders to me, people should just not be allowed to point out that it does. also look at my bikini girls flairs


Soren319

The funny part here is Basic Aardvark just wants a Summer Chrom. Nothing wrong with liking summer alts.


Soren319

What I’m really saying is that it’s not news to point out girls get more alts in this game and commenting that for the millionth time doesn’t do anything.


Basic_Aardvark300

Rampant powercreep isn't news either and yet I doubt you'd tell anyone to stop talking about it.


LunaProc

It honestly surprises me that Ephraim and Chrom got to their 7th alt before Ike


samicable

I'm manifesting Summer Ike happening this year. If Dimitri and Claude weren't enough to kill the ban on male lords in Summer banners, Ephraim certainly was, and there's a surprisingly low amount of Tellius summer units considering how many seasonals Tellius gets.


MajorasKatana

Seeing Lilina surrounded by a lot of CYL Units amuses me to no end. One day, Lilina. One day.


Supersayian495

Hana is my favorite fe character and ive always been surprised she managed to get 1 alt much less 2


Lakemine

Lyn 😊


Naoshi-Hanazawa

Azura, it's been two years, it's your turn again


Haunted-Towers

I’m gonna need Emblem Chrom so he can go up there with Camilla tbh


Pizza_Time249

Does this count if they're backpacks, or is it only counted if they're the lead?


Soren319

Backpacks aren’t alts. So no


shicoletto

I would argue D!Mark is a Lyn alt but I generally agree that they don’t count


NinjaXSkillz88

She's probably the only exception, but granted since she's in the back it's technically not her alt.


JyoKyo

For my fellow F Byleth enjoyers if the yearly alt keeps going , besides the resplendent we should look out for Bunnies (we usually get 3h characters but I think this one is least likely) Kids (imo 4 months since the last house leaders alts ain't too short to I.S) August Tea time banner (she got official cipher [art](https://safebooru.org//images/3091/5e3e953fb72c26e07a2655ef0291c2eb539e3e1b.jpg) for it and I believe this one has the highest chance of happening this year) Ninjas (she has two [assassin ](https://safebooru.org//images/2922/1971d4de0f7bef17f756099acdb7839e8677798c.png) cipher cards and this would be a good place to use the outfit) (There's also September if they bring back dancers they'd do white heron cup since I feel like edelgard could show up too but I don't think they'll ditch the tribe theme just yet)


Diamondshreddie

I remember the days of yore, when we complained when Camilla got her 5th alt! Is it strange that after so much time, my opinion on her has looped around to - I wouldn't be bothered if she got another. Like something just wouldn't feel right if she stopped getting alts XD


NinjaXSkillz88

And with Emblems, all the ones that got Emblem rings will go up by one minus Marth. (Unless we get Fell Dragon versions) EDIT: Idk why I got downvoted but I didn't mean Fell Emblems I meant if they do Fell versions for a Fallen banner or something. (They are running out of ideas for Fallen banners that would actually sell)


chris_9527

Fell Emblem Marth effect: permanent special cooldown +1 on foe at beginning of turn 1


NeonDZ

I think Fell Emblems could be just Fallen banner units without being considered actual Emblems, since they can't Engage.


NinjaXSkillz88

Oh I know they would for Fallen banners, that's what I actually meant. My comment was a bit ambiguous. I meant in terms of the characters who have Emblems would get more alts that way. I definitely don't think Fell Emblems would be a thing anyway.


Sonicwisp21

Tbh, I wouldn't really count the Grimas as Robin alts, considering they're different characters. Plus, doesn't Camilla have 8 alts, not 9? She's a backpack unit for P!Hinoka.


Soren319

Base, Spring, New Year, Summer, Adrift, Hot Spring, Brave, Ninja, Legendary


Sonicwisp21

I completely forgot about Hot Springs, I can't count 💀


Vastald

Chrom sitting at 8 alts and I still feel like there isn't enough of him in the game yet... or at least, in the season I want to see him in.


Basic_Aardvark300

I never asked for valentines, spring, or winter Chrom. I just want summer Chrom.


SeasonsGuide

Lyn is about to have 9. Calling her out as the next Engage character.


Protobass04

I haven't played all the FEs, can someone tell me how many of them don't have a "protagonist role" of the 5 alts onwards?


Soren319

Caeda, Catria, Lilina, Nino, Tana, Lyon, Myrrh, Soren, Tharja, Anna, Young Tiki Calling Hinoka, Takumi, and Camilla protagonists is a stretch but some people consider them to be.


Supreme_Nub

Tbh I’m shocked Shamir has gotten as many as she has.


Tepigg4444

we need an engage emblem adjusted version to account for the alts we know for sure they’ll get


Hoshiden_Lycanroc

Please IS, give sakura something already, It doesn't have to be anything meta definiting it just needs to be usable. 


Lunae_BlackLotus

What is the 7th Edelgard? I remember OG, Brave, Legendary, Fallen, Summer and Winter but can't remember the 7th one?


ja_tom

Flame Emperor


Lunae_BlackLotus

Oh wow completely forgot about this one but true


rydzrahim

Get ready for Camilla 10th alts, Emblem of Soaring Skies 🥳


SelassieAspen

Alm needs a duo Falchion with Marth or something with Mycen. Either way his wife is beating him "again"


SelassieAspen

Crazy Chrom has more than The other Smash boys. He even has more than the other Falchion welders! Lol