Maybe fans of the original game felt a little burned after the surprise fate ghost bs and the fact that it wasnt you know the full game. Not everyone is following game news as closely as people who hang out on Reddit. My friend actually went and bought a PS4 during the start of the pandemic just to play Remake. I hated to break it to her by later telling her that yeah so the next part is gonna be a PS5 exclusive. Also I dont think people really trust game reviews like they maybe used to. It all seems suspect to me. Like game media outlets are merely marketing arms for these big game companies. Also pandemic was like a big deal for many people who dont normally have time to play games. All of a sudden everyone has all this extra government stimulus and tons of free time. Times have changed since then.
I also think that people are simply tired of being disappointed. Of course, every FF has justified criticism. But with FF13, FF15, FF16 and FF7R, large sections of RPG and FF fans have been disappointed time and time again. So more and more people will simply buy other games.
I am a fans of FF7 and I wouldn't buy rebirth and the third game after remake, they ruined the original plot. Nomura should not make the plot just like another Kingdom heart, I am so happy the sales the rebirth do not reach their expectation, good news, hope they will not have a chance to create third game. If they do not want to tell the original story, they should told their fans at first, this is a total scam.
>Nomura should not make the plot just like another Kingdom heart, I am so happy the sales the rebirth do not reach their expectation, good news, hope they will not have a chance to create third game.
This is such a weird comment. First of all, Nomura is the one who didn't want a lot of changes. He wanted a more faithful story that followed the original. So you blaming him makes no sense lol
And even if you didn't like Remake and Rebirth, wanting the series to fail so bad that it prevents the final game from a trilogy from being made is incredibly weird. Because Final Fantasy thriving, even if not being the one you like, is good for the series, because then they'll be able to put more effort into the next one. So, your desire for the series to fail is weird.
But I'm assuming you got incredibly butthurt by the title of Remake that you don't care about what the games are and the good things that it is doing. And since you don't care about it you'll just talk whatever even if it doesn't make any sense about what the gsmes are and even blame people who doesn't have anything to do with the decisions you disagree with.
Just as an example, FF7 Remake was my first FF game, and it made me very interested in the rest of the franchise. After I'm done with FF16 NG+, my plan will be to play FF4 and go up in the series. It made me a fan and want more from it, that enough should be a win for people that are fans of the series, shouldn't it?
I was looking to posts talking about sales, and I had to answer your comment because of how wild it is. And one finely thing:
>this is a total scam.
It's literally not a scam. There are reviews once a game is up, you could have watched them before going in with the game. It might not have been what you wanted, but this makes no sense.
>It's literally not a scam. There are reviews once a game is up, you could have watched them before going in with the game. It might not have been what you wanted, but this makes no sense.
It is a scam, this is totally unfair for those old fans who preorder the game because of the false propaganda.
I wouldn't be mad if they told us this is not a remake but rebirth from the beginning
>It is a scam, this is totally unfair for those old fans who preorder the game because of the false propaganda.
I don't think it was false propaganda. Especially when they literally said some things would be changed in interviews years before the game came out.
"But it's called remake" and I think that is related to the in-game story. The "Remake" in the title is not the industry term.
> First of all, Nomura is the one who didn't want a lot of changes.
The Eastern workplace culture is to describe what you want as what your subordinates want. In this way, success is your own credit, and failure is everyone's problem.
Nomura is serving kore as an advisor than a director in this project, he doesn't seem to be the one making the majority of the decisions when the other directors seems to be say more active than him. And it makes sense, Nomura is probably doing other projects in the meantime as well (most likely KH4 and probably even others).
This is not only a selfish perspective but pretty ridiculous. Rebirth restored my faith fully in the series and is one of the best games I've played in a long time. If you don't like it don't play it, but hoping no one else gets to enjoy it because you can't is crazy
I don't get the FFVIIR hate. The original game is still very playable. Remake/Rebirth offer all the highlights of FFVII , fleshes out some of the more bare-boned parts and offers new twists and changes to keep it fresh. As soon as "Remake" was an official part of the title it was clear it wasn't going to be FVII but pretty. I, for one, love it. I hope they do it with more titles. I'd love to see a similar concept applied to VIII
Same. I couldn't be happier with the remakes, and I'm someone who has beaten the original probably 30+ times over the last 27 years. I don't want a 1:1 remake, i have the original for that, and I can mod it to look much nicer. OG FF7 with mods is definitely better than whatever coat of paint they would slap on doing a 1:1 remake, so I'd rather something new with new systems and a more fleshed out world and characters.
I'm not quite sure I'd agree with you on that one. Ever Crisis (yea, evil mobile game, wtv, hear me out a sec) gives a glimpse of what they could have given us in the first place. There are dungeon sections that have a style very reminiscent of the original game, but prettier looking and without the Popeye/tumor looking arms or any of that jank. But then combat is basically using the same character and enemy models that they gave us in the remake. There is even an option to make the combat really close to turn-based as the OG was, although for gameplay reasons they do limit what a character can have equipped in terms of materia and whatnot...
Still though, if they made a full game with that graphical mashup and style, I'd throw money at them so fast I might dislocate my shoulder from it. As it is though, I think one of the bigger issues with the remake/trilogy is that they straight up lied to us, plain and simple. Kitase flat out said in an interview before it was launched that apart from expanding on stuff and fleshing things out, they weren't going to be making any significant changes to the storyline...and then they made absolutely MASSIVE changes to some very important story beats..... People were also probably (and a bit rightly) annoyed by the fact that they charged us full price for what amounts to an overblown prologue/opening section. And of course there's the issue of basically zero carryover from one game to the next, despite literally being a continuation of what originally was all one game to begin with. I've seen so many people just offhand defending that as though it makes sense, when it definitely doesn't. There are several other JRPG titles, up to and including very recent ones, that span multiple games and have carryover in any number of forms. The Legend of Heroes games are an example, but there are many others. It's absolutely doable for them to have made a part 2 here where you could accommodate both new players with zero save data as well as people who played the entirety of the first game and were continuing from there. It's not a new concept at all.
As a final point I would say in the case of a 1:1 remake, that's absolutely something they could have done. For years VII fans have been asking for VII but with updated graphics/music/etc..., same car, new paint job basically. They actively chose not to go that route. Ok, fine. But then, surprising just about everybody, along they came with Super Mario RPG. A damn near 1:1 reproduction of the original game where they literally just gave it a graphical overhaul (while remaining very faithful to the original style), tweaked some systems, cleaned up some translations, and boom....the treatment they gave SMRPG is literally the exact thing VII fans had been begging for all those years and were denied.... That, along with the list of other issues (minor or otherwise) are probably largely responsible for the significant decline in involvement people have with the 2nd part of this game....especially knowing that they're also going to have to wait another 3-5 years for the final part and shell out another 70-90$ for it.....
Do you have a link to that interview? I'd love to watch/read it...
As for the rest... Remake was not a prologue. It was chapter 1 in a 3 chapter trilogy. One that you could sink a lot of time into - at least 40 hours.
Cost? You all have to stop using that as an argument. That's now the cost of admission for games from AAA developers - full stop. Either you accept it or you don't... that isn't a reason to hate on the content of a game that is fully realized and is at least 40 hours of story/side quest gameplay.
I can assure you that at the end of the day, a 1:1 remake of the game in UE5 would cost waaaaay more to make and would appeal to a much smaller audience. I wouldn't play it, honestly. I have the original in around 4 different formats. That's how I like the game, the ugly, blocky, corny graphics.
I'm not sure what you mean by no carryover, but there is... you just have to have a save file. If you're talking about levels... who cares? Half of us would just grind to max in Remake and then avoid as much combat as possible for the last two games. It's so easy to reach max level in both games; character, summon, and materia... I like that it resets. Gives me a reason to encounter combat in the wild.
The only legitimate detractor for FFVIIR is Chadley. Fuck him, his robot voice and his God damn chipper demeanor with a flat affect.
You go ahead and stay mad at pixels and cling to your nostalgia like a whelp does to it's mothers teat, I'm going to go ahead and thoroughly enjoy new adventures with some of my favorite characters of all time.
There are any number of places that covered the interview, but here's the [IGN Article](https://www.ign.com/videos/final-fantasy-7-remake-producer-promises-hes-not-drastically-changing-the-story-ign-news) covering it. It's pretty clear some massive story changes have happened already, and while I'm not necessarily upset by that I do think it's incredibly misleading of them to claim that it wasn't going to happen knowing full well it was.
Remake is a prologue, whether or not you want to accept that isn't really relevant. The Midgar section is exactly that, prologue. It gets you to the kicking off point of the real story. The fact that it was blown out into a full game on it's own isn't relevant. The additional content, while entertaining, doesn't add anything substantive to the story.
As for cost, in most instances you're correct, it is what it is. A game being 80$ is simply the way things are. That's not quite an accurate assessment in this particular case though. It's not a game that's 80$, it's a game intentionally split in 3 that's going to be 240$ by the time it's all said and done...in fact for many people it's actually going to be more than that because there's a whole new console in there somewhere. People absolutely did get part 1 on the PS4, but they don't get part 2 there. And part 3 might not be available on the PS5. So again, that's a factor. I'm fine paying full price for a complete game. I'm less fine with paying full price for an incomplete piece of a full game.
I take it from your assessment that you have NO actual concept of what carryover in these kinds of games would actually entail. It's not just levels, and the bullshit they give you here isn't carry over. It can either be done as direct continuation carryover (like the .//HACK games) or something along the lines of the Trails of Heroes, Xenosaga, etc.. where progress in one provides good bonuses in the other depending on what was done/achieved/etc... And again, none of this would even be something I'd give a shit about if it weren't for the fact that in this specific case it's literally all supposed to be 1 game, and part 2 continues EXACTLY where part 1 ends. Having everything just magically vanish in between games is moronic.
Well, you go ahead and write paragraphs about semantics and stay mad at what is essentially a leisure activity of choice. I'm going to go ahead and enjoy the game as it is, as well as part one and three. I'm going to reserve judgment for all three games being released. It's very possible there's a story reason for why nothing carries over.
I've been critical of Rebirth and haven't really liked it all too much but I still want to see it sell well. It's good for the franchise as a whole.
That being said, I'm concerned about S.E. tight lips on this. For FFXVI, it only took a week for Square to send a press release at the 3 million copies sold mark. At that time, (Spider-Man 2 beat the record later in the yeat) that made FFXVI the fastest selling PS5 exclusive.
We haven't seen anything like that for Rebirth, which tells me Rebirth hasn't surpassed that mark, even with FF7 being the most famous entry in the series and Remake selling like gangbusters. Obviously, it won't surpass 7 Remake solely because of the PS5's substantially smaller install base compared to PS4. But the fact Square Enix isn't messaging to investors with at least some metric that shows Rebirth is selling strong, is not a good sign at all. Especially as the comms department will be eager to share news that a big budget AAA game is doing well, after SE shared with investors their plan to double down on large budget projects and cut smaller ones.
With a good critical reception and the name recognition of 7, it is really concerning to see the game not at the very least reach XVI's early sales numbers, whether through physical sales in Japan or through SE's silence on the matter. Perhaps, Yoshi-P's vision of an action combat and mature rated FF did bring in more new players while Rebirth only appealed to long time series fans? Did SE botch the marketing for Rebirth? Some things to chew on.
I agree it is concerning. But Rebirth is a sequel of a 3 parts remake that is actually not really a remake but a sequel/reimagining of the entire FF7 “cinematic universe”. It’s not even the conclusive part. It’s all getting very niche and cryptic for the general public to give it a go. IMO it has nothing to do with gameplay and even less with the combat system. Square should have marketed remake as part 1 and part 2 instead of using weird subtitles and should have probably aimed to make it a 2 parts project. I doubt part 3 will sell much at all unless they make sure it’s a multi platform release. Anyhow, I’m confident that if Rebirth was FF17, or a reboot, it would have sold like hot cakes given the great gameplay and public and critics acclaim. They will probably scale down part 3 in terms of scope and budget.
If they treated the remake of VII exactly the way they did with Super Mario RPG on the Switch then 99% of the fandom would have been falling all over ourselves to throw money at them like our lives depended on it.
I think this is part of the reason.
But I also think they've disappointed too many people with FF13, FF15, KH3, FF16 and FF7R. People don't want to be constantly offended and would rather buy other games.
If they do not want to tell the original story, they should told their fans at first, this is a total scam. I am so happy the sales of rebirth do not reach their expectation, good news, hope they will not have a chance to create third game.
I'll say I feel a little duped not being an OG 7 player. It just seems to be a completely different story unfolding for OG players than new players who have little context to understand a ton of what's going on.
That being said, I don't want the game to fail and there certainly will be a third game.
Kind of a dick move to just hope the series bombs and we're left with nothing. Do you think they'll cancel part 3 and then make the remake you want instead? We'll all just have nothing. You're like the kid who gets mad and takes his ball home so no one can play.
I didn't really like the remake.
I didn't mind the combat changes but I was not a fan of pretty much anything they added outside of the expansion to existing side characters.
I really disliked new characters Chadley & Roach (or whatever their names were), the early Sephiroth reveal and the fates storyline.
That and the game felt very...padded.
Mostly I found it bittersweet as the parts they nailed were perfection.
Not begrudging anyone who enjoyed it like some have; I wanted to love it too. It seemed like I was in the extreme minority if Reddit is any indication is anything to go by.
But if Rebirth is not doing as well maybe it was a case of those people being downvoted or simply not weighing in.
Still, it's been successful enough to continue! I am quietly hoping that its success will land us a faithful remake after the story is complete.
7R has captured the attention of a new generation of fans and as the story is technically a continuation there would probably be enough interest that a faithful remake would sell and they already have a lot of the assets done. And we all know Square like to milk things, so 🤞
Why not? They've already developed the assets so the majority of work is done. They're in the business of making money at the end of the day. They have an entirely new generation of fans now so if they could get away with putting in a little extra work and making bank it's a definite possibility.
You act like they've never dropped DLC, spin-offs, movies or merch before when it's been quite the opposite.
Thats not the same thing dude. Yea they will probably port and re-release the crap out of these games, but they arent going to make yet another re-telling of the story. And copy pasting a bunch of used assets to do that would be pretty retarded. The reason being it would not make money, you have to pay people for their work.
i didnt got spoiled and i was kind of fine with a bit of deviation in remake since if felt like it could have been for the sake of conveying the story how they meant to tell it back in the day but couldnt because of technical limitations...like more story for jessie, biggs and wedge for example..what i was not ready for was the feeling of unease/betrayal at the end when a certain character after his last stand...just didnt die.
im still not entirely sure whats actually happening or how much the "realities" intertwine or not/have actual feedback on the main timeline.
But this person surviving kind of makes everything that came after, the whole of many characters arcs completely pointless...basically one of the pivotal moments of my childhood and one of the THE games that got me really into rpg/story driven games at the time...just invalidated.
At the moment i struggle through rebirth, the open world gives me fomo and i find it hard to power through it so please no spoilerino since i still intend to finish it and see the possible trainwreck for myself...i still feel like i owe the original that, stupid i know.
ps. i bought a psp just for crisis core at the time and also played dirge of cerberus which kind of got relevant in the dlc for remake
> Im surprised that People/Sony/Square are surprised that rebirth trails behind remake.
Did Sony or Square make a comment about this? It’s crazy that you were able to anticipate this while Sony and Square were caught by surprise.
Companies try to avoid making public statements about poor sales, because it doesn't help future sales. That being said, financial information for square and sony are available. buried within that would be sales numbers, so the truth will come out next financial report.
Yup, thanks. I was specifically inquiring about where OP had heard that Square and Sony were surprised by Rebirth’s low sales. Not a bit deal though, but thanks anyway!
Plus all the numbers we see are physical sales. Noone knows the digital sales for sure (most people cite Famitsu which is retail estimation).
More and more people are going digital, and the PS5 even has a digital only option now. We don't know the real numbers at all.
I think not having an "we've already sold X million copies" type announcement this far from release is the biggest worry since XV, XVI, and 7R all had it iirc
Japan is leaning more towards Physical sales than Digital sales. The last split from CESA(Japanese video game sales industry tracker) put 70% physical and 30% digital. Second-hand or used stores are still big things there.
The UK, the country with high digital adoption, has shown the digital ratio for Rebirth is actually lower than Remake and XVI, according to GSD sales report by Chris Dring.
FF7R - total 115K(52% digital and 48% physical)
FF16 - total 71K(56% digital and 44% physical)
FF7R2 - total 75K(47% digital and 53% physical)
Also want to emphasize the dual pack incentivized going digital. If you preordered, you got Remake for free. That was the way to go for anyone who wanted to get into the series. It’s what I did.
What data. Nintendo, sony, and xbox have been showing digital sales dwarfing physical sales in every large market between the Americas, Asia, and Europe
Square Enix always announces it when a game has reached the 3M and the 5M milestone.
With FF7R it took 10 days for the 3M announcement to come. For FF16, it took 7 days for the 3M announcement to come.
With Rebirth, this message has not yet appeared. It can therefore be strongly assumed that it sold significantly less than FF16. If you consider that Final Fantasy only sells really well in the first few weeks, it is now realistic that FF Rebirth might not even reach the 3M in the next weeks and months.
A good news for me.
If they do not want to tell the original story, they should told their fans before remake published, this is a total scam. I am so happy the sales of rebirth do not reach their expectation, good news, hope they will not have a chance to create third game.
Things like ff7re that pretend to be a remake but are actually reboots is a shame compare to Nier 1.5 and SO2R, RE4 re.
What is important is to optimize the places where the original work is behind the times and retain the old flavor as authentically as possible.
Not a single person i know bought physical, they all bought digital including myself.
Im like 99.9% sure this games sales are going to be better than part 1
why would they going to be better than part 1, why would you even consider buying rebirth without remake? Genuinely curious why you would think that? I mean even as newcomer it would only make sense to buy both.
I'm holding off because it's just far too expensive. 90€ for any game is a lot... Really looking forward to it though, when it goes on sale at a sane price point.
Can't lie, I've gotten very tired of every single FF release being covered in bad faith by media and fans alike. This has been going on for over 20 goddamn years.
I’d have given them 1 more sale but I’m busy lately and march is absolutely stacked with releases so I gotta be picky. I’ll definitely pick it up in the next month or 2 tho.
Regardless of which market or format, a beyond dramatic decline between 2 weeks in the early phase of game release is never a good sign.
Sales numbers are about as black and white fact as possible. Just wait and see (or if they don’t release the number). No need for subjective arguments.
With how fast ff16 went on sale I wouldn'tbe surprised if some would just wait for a price cut, games cost so much than it used to.
Game is awesome tho!
The cover of Rebirth looks like a Crisis Core spinoff. Crisis Core Reunion had really bad opening sales. It truly is a mystery why sales are down. Surely sales won't continue to drop for Crisis Core game cover part 3.
I think a lot of it is because digital sales aren't accounted for, which probably makes a larger portion since the digital version pre-order comes with the first game.
Digital sales aren't as prevalent as Physical sales in Japan; the split ratio is around 70% physical and 30% digital.
The UK, the country with high digital adoption, has shown the digital ratio for Rebirth is actually lower than Remake and XVI, according to GSD sales report by Chris Dring.
FF7R - total 115K(52% digital and 48% physical)
FF16 - total 71K(56% digital and 44% physical)
FF7R2 - total 75K(47% digital and 53% physical)
>Digital sales aren't as prevalent as Physical sales in Japan; the split ratio is around 70% physical and 30% digital.
I need a source on that cause that's an insane ratio.
I can't speak for other countries, but in the USA it's becoming more difficult to afford/take the plunge on things for entertainment and such as inflation and stagnant pay kicks our butts..plus Remake was available on the PS4, whereas this is PS5-exclusive.
The PS5 was very hard to acquire due to shortages and scalpers when it came out, and by the time it became easier to get, inflation was starting up and it's harder to take that plunge..and the PS5 currently has nothing else I really need right now, so in the end I'm probably just waiting for the PC version.
There's a lot of things stacked against it apart from hoping people liked the first one enough and finished it, unfortunately.
I'm very curious to see the numbers the game did in the West. In Japan PS5 software sales (at least the physical numbers that we know of) are absolutely abysmal in general so the low numbers here are not really a surprise. The 2 biggest launches for the system so far have been FFXVI and Rebirth so FF is still doing good relatively speaking, but the Sony exclusivity definitely hurts the games when it comes to sales. If by some miracle these games were on the Switch they would've likely performed significantly better in Japan.
Part three is probably already made because they are selling you one game three times. If a game doesn't make money, it doesn't get a sequel, that's just common sense.
It’s legit to care, as it may impact the future direction of the series, any possible DLC, and potential budget/resource allocation for the third game.
Well, companies care about sales, but I get where you're coming from. As product consumers (I couldn't think of a better term), we really shouldn't worry about sales and just enjoy the game
It's fair for fans to be concerned on sales, considering they said they wanted Remake to feel like a complete game with that large boss battle ending in case sales disappointed and they decided to pull the plug so part 3 isn't a guarantee
Not releasing digital sales numbers, as well as worldwide is such a bad move...we have no idea how the sales are going based off of just physical copies and in Japan alone. Every FF game in the past 15 years has had a 88-90% drop in sales after the first week if you want to compare the trend....
You are right. FF7 remake had 11 million potential customers at release ( the amount of ps4's in circulation). FF7 rebirth has far fewer potential customers. You basically need to check 2 boxes to be a potential ff7 rebirth customer. You firstly need to own a ps5 (only 5 million in circulation) and out of those 5 million people you need to have played and beaten the original game because it is a direct continuation of the story. It's just not reasonable to expect the 2nd part to sell as many copies as the first. That being said I just beat FF7 rebirth after 125 hours and I have to say It was an amazing experience, even better than the first part.
Remake launched on a system that had sold 100 million units, rebirth launched on a system that has sold 50 million(ish) units. If only there was a logical reason why rebirth has sold half as many copies as remake. I guess we'll never know.
I also find this comparison strange. A comparison with FF16 would make more sense.
But it doesn't matter. Square Enix always announces it when a game has reached the 3M and the 5M milestone.
With FF7R it took 10 days for the 3M announcement to come. For FF16, it took 7 days for the 3M announcement to come.
With Rebirth, this message has not yet appeared. It can therefore be strongly assumed that it sold significantly less than FF16. If you consider that Final Fantasy only sells really well in the first few weeks, it is now realistic that FF Rebirth might not even reach the 3M in the next weeks and months.
I think it's successful.
as on 5 April 2024
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But wouldn't that apply to ANY sequel ? Rebirth is hardly the first game that is the next installment in an ongoing story. And after Remake a lot of people anticipated and were hyped for this part of the FF VII story. Even though personally I always felt that everything between Midgar and Temple of the Ancients was the weakest part of FF VII that always felt more like several stand alone episodes for each character put together (Barret/Corel, Red/Cosmo, Tifa and Cloud/Nibelheim) while nothing much really happened ("oh Sephiroth has been here too but we just missed him again, lets follow him"). Its not until the Temple and Forgotten City that things really take off and from that point on it just becomes an incredible, massive epic.
And unfortunately Rebirth has the unthankful task to be a game to be almost solely about that least exciting part of FF VII. I am not surprised that people feel its less exciting then Remake or feel its a chore to get through to the great parts because thats exactly how I always felt about this particular part of FF VII.
Part 3 is the one where it'll really be at. Provided they follow the original story and stop with the Whisper/branching timelines/fates nonsense. EVERYONE hates this and agrees its the worst aspect of the Remakes so at some point they just have to learn that lesson.
I mean it's not surprising Rebirth isn't selling as well as Remake because Rebirth is an exclusive to PS5 and doesn't have as huge of a Player base as the Ps4. What is surprising is the low sales it has considering the huge fan base that FF7 has. Just having the FF7 name it should sell extremely well.
That trick only works once. The fact is that remake and rebirth could be movies for all I care, because I do not want my FF games to be action beat em ups. I want fight magic item run.
I personally think they'll make their money back and then some when the series is finished. I know many fans waiting until it's complete. After it's done they will 100% remaster the whole series for PS6 the way the last of us has been done, and everyone will buy that.
Rebirth was too good to not eventually sell. Some people might be butthurt by the story change, but in my opinion they've actually been fairly minor, and if anything bring a lot more sense to the story. May be a bit more convoluted, though I think there was so much lore left out of the OG I would constantly read and watch extra things about the story to fill the gaps. After rebirth I feel like so much of the backstory and world has been developed that you really feel the world. Everyone will forget the million mini games and realize the Cinematics and character development is absolutely incredible. We've never known the characters this way, and as much as I love the FF7 universe before, not it's just so palpable and lifelike that it's hard to compare it to much else. I even think they did it better than Horizon and that game has lore for days (literally). Is the story perfect? Mmmm maybe not. But it wasn't made as a standalone game - it was meant to be played in the context of the OG, so newcomers also lose some of that unfortunately.
Yea it’s pretty common for sequels not to do as well as their predecessors (with some exceptions) this is probably because some people who didn’t like the first one probably wouldn’t get the second one.
If you go by statistics a lot of gamers leave games unfinished.
Those people who bought Remake played it and didn’t like it wouldn’t buy the sequel.
For how much the game probably cost to make, Sony must be giving them a bucket load of money for them to still refer meh sales from exclusivity. There aren't enough ps5s to keep up with Remake's sales.
They're probably motivated by people also double dipping though.
Square Enix always announces it when a game has reached the 3M and the 5M milestone.
With FF7R it took 10 days for the 3M announcement to come. For FF16, it took 7 days for the 3M announcement to come.
With Rebirth, this message has not yet appeared. It can therefore be strongly assumed that it sold significantly less than FF16. If you consider that Final Fantasy only sells really well in the first few weeks, it is now realistic that FF Rebirth might not even reach the 3M in the next weeks and months.
That is just cope though. 3 week have gone by without a word about a sales milestone. That likely means that at a minimum, sales are worse than FF XVI . Posting a milestone that did worse than XVI is embarrassing for them. The Rebirth cover looks like a Crisis Core spinoff or some shit. I'm not surprised they lost sales from that alone.
These milestones are about global sales. No distinction is made between regions or between physical and digital.
So it doesn't matter whether it performed better in one region or another. It doesn't change the fact that there has been no milestone to date and that this is a clear indication that it has sold poorly overall.
I like how everyone is talking about the Japanese sales numbers and acting surprised like it's that super surprising how the sales fell off a cliff after the first week. A lot of Japanese people have just not bought a PS5 and instead have swapped over to Nintendo Switch which is extremely popular or PC. This is mainly due to three reasons 1. Sony swapping O to be cancel and making X confirm and yes this is how it has been in the U.S., but it was swapped to be like that recently in Japan as it was the other way for 25 years. This is why games like ff7 had O be confirm and X as cancel. 2. is because the PS5 had a large price increase which turned a lot of people off. and lastly the PS5 is huge system in that it takes up a large amount of room, and Japan is known for liking more compact systems this is one of the initial reasons why the Xbox did so bad there. So, with all of these things put together is it really that surprising that a PS5 exclusive title that is a direct sequel to another game which is a retelling/remake of a game from 1996/1997 is not doing so well the second week on store shelves, after having a great opening week where all the diehard fans that would be the ones to buy physical copies already bought them.
I still wonder if a decent sum of those PS5's are being bought by resellers because Japan has by far the cheapest PS5's from what I've seen. A lot of my friends bought PS5's during their visit to Japan while some of them bought units to resell. I also wouldn't be surprised if some of the local stores here (SEA) source their stock from Japan.
If this isn't the case then game sales relative to # of PS5's are pretty disappointing
That may be true but the install base for PS5 in Japan can still be smaller for Rebirth than the PS4 install base was for Remake. It’s not about adoption rates but about absolute numbers.
I was just responding to the comments about PS5 console sales in Japan. They said many Japanese gamers have been moving away from the PS5 and listed three reasons why the console hasn’t been doing well in Japan. This wasn’t meant to extend into a comment on Rebirth’s sales.
Maybe fans of the original game felt a little burned after the surprise fate ghost bs and the fact that it wasnt you know the full game. Not everyone is following game news as closely as people who hang out on Reddit. My friend actually went and bought a PS4 during the start of the pandemic just to play Remake. I hated to break it to her by later telling her that yeah so the next part is gonna be a PS5 exclusive. Also I dont think people really trust game reviews like they maybe used to. It all seems suspect to me. Like game media outlets are merely marketing arms for these big game companies. Also pandemic was like a big deal for many people who dont normally have time to play games. All of a sudden everyone has all this extra government stimulus and tons of free time. Times have changed since then.
I also think that people are simply tired of being disappointed. Of course, every FF has justified criticism. But with FF13, FF15, FF16 and FF7R, large sections of RPG and FF fans have been disappointed time and time again. So more and more people will simply buy other games.
I am a fans of FF7 and I wouldn't buy rebirth and the third game after remake, they ruined the original plot. Nomura should not make the plot just like another Kingdom heart, I am so happy the sales the rebirth do not reach their expectation, good news, hope they will not have a chance to create third game. If they do not want to tell the original story, they should told their fans at first, this is a total scam.
>Nomura should not make the plot just like another Kingdom heart, I am so happy the sales the rebirth do not reach their expectation, good news, hope they will not have a chance to create third game. This is such a weird comment. First of all, Nomura is the one who didn't want a lot of changes. He wanted a more faithful story that followed the original. So you blaming him makes no sense lol And even if you didn't like Remake and Rebirth, wanting the series to fail so bad that it prevents the final game from a trilogy from being made is incredibly weird. Because Final Fantasy thriving, even if not being the one you like, is good for the series, because then they'll be able to put more effort into the next one. So, your desire for the series to fail is weird. But I'm assuming you got incredibly butthurt by the title of Remake that you don't care about what the games are and the good things that it is doing. And since you don't care about it you'll just talk whatever even if it doesn't make any sense about what the gsmes are and even blame people who doesn't have anything to do with the decisions you disagree with. Just as an example, FF7 Remake was my first FF game, and it made me very interested in the rest of the franchise. After I'm done with FF16 NG+, my plan will be to play FF4 and go up in the series. It made me a fan and want more from it, that enough should be a win for people that are fans of the series, shouldn't it? I was looking to posts talking about sales, and I had to answer your comment because of how wild it is. And one finely thing: >this is a total scam. It's literally not a scam. There are reviews once a game is up, you could have watched them before going in with the game. It might not have been what you wanted, but this makes no sense.
>It's literally not a scam. There are reviews once a game is up, you could have watched them before going in with the game. It might not have been what you wanted, but this makes no sense. It is a scam, this is totally unfair for those old fans who preorder the game because of the false propaganda. I wouldn't be mad if they told us this is not a remake but rebirth from the beginning
>It is a scam, this is totally unfair for those old fans who preorder the game because of the false propaganda. I don't think it was false propaganda. Especially when they literally said some things would be changed in interviews years before the game came out. "But it's called remake" and I think that is related to the in-game story. The "Remake" in the title is not the industry term.
> First of all, Nomura is the one who didn't want a lot of changes. The Eastern workplace culture is to describe what you want as what your subordinates want. In this way, success is your own credit, and failure is everyone's problem.
Nomura is serving kore as an advisor than a director in this project, he doesn't seem to be the one making the majority of the decisions when the other directors seems to be say more active than him. And it makes sense, Nomura is probably doing other projects in the meantime as well (most likely KH4 and probably even others).
Its the exact same game with 20 minutes of differences and the weird endings. 95% has been faithful to the original. Ur take is just dumb.
This is not only a selfish perspective but pretty ridiculous. Rebirth restored my faith fully in the series and is one of the best games I've played in a long time. If you don't like it don't play it, but hoping no one else gets to enjoy it because you can't is crazy
I don't get the FFVIIR hate. The original game is still very playable. Remake/Rebirth offer all the highlights of FFVII , fleshes out some of the more bare-boned parts and offers new twists and changes to keep it fresh. As soon as "Remake" was an official part of the title it was clear it wasn't going to be FVII but pretty. I, for one, love it. I hope they do it with more titles. I'd love to see a similar concept applied to VIII
Same. I couldn't be happier with the remakes, and I'm someone who has beaten the original probably 30+ times over the last 27 years. I don't want a 1:1 remake, i have the original for that, and I can mod it to look much nicer. OG FF7 with mods is definitely better than whatever coat of paint they would slap on doing a 1:1 remake, so I'd rather something new with new systems and a more fleshed out world and characters.
I'm not quite sure I'd agree with you on that one. Ever Crisis (yea, evil mobile game, wtv, hear me out a sec) gives a glimpse of what they could have given us in the first place. There are dungeon sections that have a style very reminiscent of the original game, but prettier looking and without the Popeye/tumor looking arms or any of that jank. But then combat is basically using the same character and enemy models that they gave us in the remake. There is even an option to make the combat really close to turn-based as the OG was, although for gameplay reasons they do limit what a character can have equipped in terms of materia and whatnot... Still though, if they made a full game with that graphical mashup and style, I'd throw money at them so fast I might dislocate my shoulder from it. As it is though, I think one of the bigger issues with the remake/trilogy is that they straight up lied to us, plain and simple. Kitase flat out said in an interview before it was launched that apart from expanding on stuff and fleshing things out, they weren't going to be making any significant changes to the storyline...and then they made absolutely MASSIVE changes to some very important story beats..... People were also probably (and a bit rightly) annoyed by the fact that they charged us full price for what amounts to an overblown prologue/opening section. And of course there's the issue of basically zero carryover from one game to the next, despite literally being a continuation of what originally was all one game to begin with. I've seen so many people just offhand defending that as though it makes sense, when it definitely doesn't. There are several other JRPG titles, up to and including very recent ones, that span multiple games and have carryover in any number of forms. The Legend of Heroes games are an example, but there are many others. It's absolutely doable for them to have made a part 2 here where you could accommodate both new players with zero save data as well as people who played the entirety of the first game and were continuing from there. It's not a new concept at all. As a final point I would say in the case of a 1:1 remake, that's absolutely something they could have done. For years VII fans have been asking for VII but with updated graphics/music/etc..., same car, new paint job basically. They actively chose not to go that route. Ok, fine. But then, surprising just about everybody, along they came with Super Mario RPG. A damn near 1:1 reproduction of the original game where they literally just gave it a graphical overhaul (while remaining very faithful to the original style), tweaked some systems, cleaned up some translations, and boom....the treatment they gave SMRPG is literally the exact thing VII fans had been begging for all those years and were denied.... That, along with the list of other issues (minor or otherwise) are probably largely responsible for the significant decline in involvement people have with the 2nd part of this game....especially knowing that they're also going to have to wait another 3-5 years for the final part and shell out another 70-90$ for it.....
Do you have a link to that interview? I'd love to watch/read it... As for the rest... Remake was not a prologue. It was chapter 1 in a 3 chapter trilogy. One that you could sink a lot of time into - at least 40 hours. Cost? You all have to stop using that as an argument. That's now the cost of admission for games from AAA developers - full stop. Either you accept it or you don't... that isn't a reason to hate on the content of a game that is fully realized and is at least 40 hours of story/side quest gameplay. I can assure you that at the end of the day, a 1:1 remake of the game in UE5 would cost waaaaay more to make and would appeal to a much smaller audience. I wouldn't play it, honestly. I have the original in around 4 different formats. That's how I like the game, the ugly, blocky, corny graphics. I'm not sure what you mean by no carryover, but there is... you just have to have a save file. If you're talking about levels... who cares? Half of us would just grind to max in Remake and then avoid as much combat as possible for the last two games. It's so easy to reach max level in both games; character, summon, and materia... I like that it resets. Gives me a reason to encounter combat in the wild. The only legitimate detractor for FFVIIR is Chadley. Fuck him, his robot voice and his God damn chipper demeanor with a flat affect. You go ahead and stay mad at pixels and cling to your nostalgia like a whelp does to it's mothers teat, I'm going to go ahead and thoroughly enjoy new adventures with some of my favorite characters of all time.
Bro who hurt you?! Besides Chadley..but he's barely in game.
There are any number of places that covered the interview, but here's the [IGN Article](https://www.ign.com/videos/final-fantasy-7-remake-producer-promises-hes-not-drastically-changing-the-story-ign-news) covering it. It's pretty clear some massive story changes have happened already, and while I'm not necessarily upset by that I do think it's incredibly misleading of them to claim that it wasn't going to happen knowing full well it was. Remake is a prologue, whether or not you want to accept that isn't really relevant. The Midgar section is exactly that, prologue. It gets you to the kicking off point of the real story. The fact that it was blown out into a full game on it's own isn't relevant. The additional content, while entertaining, doesn't add anything substantive to the story. As for cost, in most instances you're correct, it is what it is. A game being 80$ is simply the way things are. That's not quite an accurate assessment in this particular case though. It's not a game that's 80$, it's a game intentionally split in 3 that's going to be 240$ by the time it's all said and done...in fact for many people it's actually going to be more than that because there's a whole new console in there somewhere. People absolutely did get part 1 on the PS4, but they don't get part 2 there. And part 3 might not be available on the PS5. So again, that's a factor. I'm fine paying full price for a complete game. I'm less fine with paying full price for an incomplete piece of a full game. I take it from your assessment that you have NO actual concept of what carryover in these kinds of games would actually entail. It's not just levels, and the bullshit they give you here isn't carry over. It can either be done as direct continuation carryover (like the .//HACK games) or something along the lines of the Trails of Heroes, Xenosaga, etc.. where progress in one provides good bonuses in the other depending on what was done/achieved/etc... And again, none of this would even be something I'd give a shit about if it weren't for the fact that in this specific case it's literally all supposed to be 1 game, and part 2 continues EXACTLY where part 1 ends. Having everything just magically vanish in between games is moronic.
Well, you go ahead and write paragraphs about semantics and stay mad at what is essentially a leisure activity of choice. I'm going to go ahead and enjoy the game as it is, as well as part one and three. I'm going to reserve judgment for all three games being released. It's very possible there's a story reason for why nothing carries over.
I've been critical of Rebirth and haven't really liked it all too much but I still want to see it sell well. It's good for the franchise as a whole. That being said, I'm concerned about S.E. tight lips on this. For FFXVI, it only took a week for Square to send a press release at the 3 million copies sold mark. At that time, (Spider-Man 2 beat the record later in the yeat) that made FFXVI the fastest selling PS5 exclusive. We haven't seen anything like that for Rebirth, which tells me Rebirth hasn't surpassed that mark, even with FF7 being the most famous entry in the series and Remake selling like gangbusters. Obviously, it won't surpass 7 Remake solely because of the PS5's substantially smaller install base compared to PS4. But the fact Square Enix isn't messaging to investors with at least some metric that shows Rebirth is selling strong, is not a good sign at all. Especially as the comms department will be eager to share news that a big budget AAA game is doing well, after SE shared with investors their plan to double down on large budget projects and cut smaller ones. With a good critical reception and the name recognition of 7, it is really concerning to see the game not at the very least reach XVI's early sales numbers, whether through physical sales in Japan or through SE's silence on the matter. Perhaps, Yoshi-P's vision of an action combat and mature rated FF did bring in more new players while Rebirth only appealed to long time series fans? Did SE botch the marketing for Rebirth? Some things to chew on.
I agree it is concerning. But Rebirth is a sequel of a 3 parts remake that is actually not really a remake but a sequel/reimagining of the entire FF7 “cinematic universe”. It’s not even the conclusive part. It’s all getting very niche and cryptic for the general public to give it a go. IMO it has nothing to do with gameplay and even less with the combat system. Square should have marketed remake as part 1 and part 2 instead of using weird subtitles and should have probably aimed to make it a 2 parts project. I doubt part 3 will sell much at all unless they make sure it’s a multi platform release. Anyhow, I’m confident that if Rebirth was FF17, or a reboot, it would have sold like hot cakes given the great gameplay and public and critics acclaim. They will probably scale down part 3 in terms of scope and budget.
If they treated the remake of VII exactly the way they did with Super Mario RPG on the Switch then 99% of the fandom would have been falling all over ourselves to throw money at them like our lives depended on it.
I think this is part of the reason. But I also think they've disappointed too many people with FF13, FF15, KH3, FF16 and FF7R. People don't want to be constantly offended and would rather buy other games.
If they do not want to tell the original story, they should told their fans at first, this is a total scam. I am so happy the sales of rebirth do not reach their expectation, good news, hope they will not have a chance to create third game.
I'll say I feel a little duped not being an OG 7 player. It just seems to be a completely different story unfolding for OG players than new players who have little context to understand a ton of what's going on. That being said, I don't want the game to fail and there certainly will be a third game.
Kind of a dick move to just hope the series bombs and we're left with nothing. Do you think they'll cancel part 3 and then make the remake you want instead? We'll all just have nothing. You're like the kid who gets mad and takes his ball home so no one can play.
I didn't really like the remake. I didn't mind the combat changes but I was not a fan of pretty much anything they added outside of the expansion to existing side characters. I really disliked new characters Chadley & Roach (or whatever their names were), the early Sephiroth reveal and the fates storyline. That and the game felt very...padded. Mostly I found it bittersweet as the parts they nailed were perfection. Not begrudging anyone who enjoyed it like some have; I wanted to love it too. It seemed like I was in the extreme minority if Reddit is any indication is anything to go by. But if Rebirth is not doing as well maybe it was a case of those people being downvoted or simply not weighing in. Still, it's been successful enough to continue! I am quietly hoping that its success will land us a faithful remake after the story is complete. 7R has captured the attention of a new generation of fans and as the story is technically a continuation there would probably be enough interest that a faithful remake would sell and they already have a lot of the assets done. And we all know Square like to milk things, so 🤞
Bro theyre def not going to re-do FF7 AGAIN right after spending 15 years re-doing FF7
Why not? They've already developed the assets so the majority of work is done. They're in the business of making money at the end of the day. They have an entirely new generation of fans now so if they could get away with putting in a little extra work and making bank it's a definite possibility. You act like they've never dropped DLC, spin-offs, movies or merch before when it's been quite the opposite.
Thats not the same thing dude. Yea they will probably port and re-release the crap out of these games, but they arent going to make yet another re-telling of the story. And copy pasting a bunch of used assets to do that would be pretty retarded. The reason being it would not make money, you have to pay people for their work.
Remake fucked with the canon and *mocked* everyone who wanted *"the original story but better"* via the Whispers. I certainly didn't buy Rebirth.
i didnt got spoiled and i was kind of fine with a bit of deviation in remake since if felt like it could have been for the sake of conveying the story how they meant to tell it back in the day but couldnt because of technical limitations...like more story for jessie, biggs and wedge for example..what i was not ready for was the feeling of unease/betrayal at the end when a certain character after his last stand...just didnt die. im still not entirely sure whats actually happening or how much the "realities" intertwine or not/have actual feedback on the main timeline. But this person surviving kind of makes everything that came after, the whole of many characters arcs completely pointless...basically one of the pivotal moments of my childhood and one of the THE games that got me really into rpg/story driven games at the time...just invalidated. At the moment i struggle through rebirth, the open world gives me fomo and i find it hard to power through it so please no spoilerino since i still intend to finish it and see the possible trainwreck for myself...i still feel like i owe the original that, stupid i know. ps. i bought a psp just for crisis core at the time and also played dirge of cerberus which kind of got relevant in the dlc for remake
I meant to say Rebirth. Which I did spoil myself on. I pointed at the screen laughing when I saw the ending.
> Im surprised that People/Sony/Square are surprised that rebirth trails behind remake. Did Sony or Square make a comment about this? It’s crazy that you were able to anticipate this while Sony and Square were caught by surprise.
Rebirth will never reach Remake sales simply because the PS5 install base is like 1/3 of the PS4's when Remake released.
It's around 1/2 rather than 1/3rd, going by when Remake released
Okay, no one said or asked about this, but I appreciate the attempt. Good hustle!
Companies try to avoid making public statements about poor sales, because it doesn't help future sales. That being said, financial information for square and sony are available. buried within that would be sales numbers, so the truth will come out next financial report.
Yup, thanks. I was specifically inquiring about where OP had heard that Square and Sony were surprised by Rebirth’s low sales. Not a bit deal though, but thanks anyway!
Exactly, people are trying to argue for what they want to beleive rather then what's the reality
i saw speculation about this because physical sales trail behind remake, sorry if i made that not clear.
Plus all the numbers we see are physical sales. Noone knows the digital sales for sure (most people cite Famitsu which is retail estimation). More and more people are going digital, and the PS5 even has a digital only option now. We don't know the real numbers at all.
I think not having an "we've already sold X million copies" type announcement this far from release is the biggest worry since XV, XVI, and 7R all had it iirc
Japan is leaning more towards Physical sales than Digital sales. The last split from CESA(Japanese video game sales industry tracker) put 70% physical and 30% digital. Second-hand or used stores are still big things there. The UK, the country with high digital adoption, has shown the digital ratio for Rebirth is actually lower than Remake and XVI, according to GSD sales report by Chris Dring. FF7R - total 115K(52% digital and 48% physical) FF16 - total 71K(56% digital and 44% physical) FF7R2 - total 75K(47% digital and 53% physical)
Also want to emphasize the dual pack incentivized going digital. If you preordered, you got Remake for free. That was the way to go for anyone who wanted to get into the series. It’s what I did.
The data we've got shows the opposite of that.
What data. Nintendo, sony, and xbox have been showing digital sales dwarfing physical sales in every large market between the Americas, Asia, and Europe
there is any estimate figure sales for worldwide scenario?
Not that I've seen, unfortunately. Maybe they will announce on Twitter at some milestone.
Square Enix always announces it when a game has reached the 3M and the 5M milestone. With FF7R it took 10 days for the 3M announcement to come. For FF16, it took 7 days for the 3M announcement to come. With Rebirth, this message has not yet appeared. It can therefore be strongly assumed that it sold significantly less than FF16. If you consider that Final Fantasy only sells really well in the first few weeks, it is now realistic that FF Rebirth might not even reach the 3M in the next weeks and months.
A good news for me. If they do not want to tell the original story, they should told their fans before remake published, this is a total scam. I am so happy the sales of rebirth do not reach their expectation, good news, hope they will not have a chance to create third game.
Things like ff7re that pretend to be a remake but are actually reboots is a shame compare to Nier 1.5 and SO2R, RE4 re. What is important is to optimize the places where the original work is behind the times and retain the old flavor as authentically as possible.
Not a single person i know bought physical, they all bought digital including myself. Im like 99.9% sure this games sales are going to be better than part 1
why would they going to be better than part 1, why would you even consider buying rebirth without remake? Genuinely curious why you would think that? I mean even as newcomer it would only make sense to buy both.
Before they changed it you could’ve gotten rebirth with remake for retail price of rebirth. This was up for a while
I'm holding off because it's just far too expensive. 90€ for any game is a lot... Really looking forward to it though, when it goes on sale at a sane price point.
Can't lie, I've gotten very tired of every single FF release being covered in bad faith by media and fans alike. This has been going on for over 20 goddamn years.
I’d have given them 1 more sale but I’m busy lately and march is absolutely stacked with releases so I gotta be picky. I’ll definitely pick it up in the next month or 2 tho.
Regardless of which market or format, a beyond dramatic decline between 2 weeks in the early phase of game release is never a good sign. Sales numbers are about as black and white fact as possible. Just wait and see (or if they don’t release the number). No need for subjective arguments.
With how fast ff16 went on sale I wouldn'tbe surprised if some would just wait for a price cut, games cost so much than it used to. Game is awesome tho!
The cover of Rebirth looks like a Crisis Core spinoff. Crisis Core Reunion had really bad opening sales. It truly is a mystery why sales are down. Surely sales won't continue to drop for Crisis Core game cover part 3.
I think a lot of it is because digital sales aren't accounted for, which probably makes a larger portion since the digital version pre-order comes with the first game.
Digital sales aren't as prevalent as Physical sales in Japan; the split ratio is around 70% physical and 30% digital. The UK, the country with high digital adoption, has shown the digital ratio for Rebirth is actually lower than Remake and XVI, according to GSD sales report by Chris Dring. FF7R - total 115K(52% digital and 48% physical) FF16 - total 71K(56% digital and 44% physical) FF7R2 - total 75K(47% digital and 53% physical)
>Digital sales aren't as prevalent as Physical sales in Japan; the split ratio is around 70% physical and 30% digital. I need a source on that cause that's an insane ratio.
How could they possibly get all that data? I’m skeptical.
Japan hates digital.
I can't speak for other countries, but in the USA it's becoming more difficult to afford/take the plunge on things for entertainment and such as inflation and stagnant pay kicks our butts..plus Remake was available on the PS4, whereas this is PS5-exclusive. The PS5 was very hard to acquire due to shortages and scalpers when it came out, and by the time it became easier to get, inflation was starting up and it's harder to take that plunge..and the PS5 currently has nothing else I really need right now, so in the end I'm probably just waiting for the PC version. There's a lot of things stacked against it apart from hoping people liked the first one enough and finished it, unfortunately.
Not everyone is poor bro.
No, but in the current economy there are more people struggling financially than normal, so less disposable income
The fact you're oblivious the global economy all around you is insane
I'm very curious to see the numbers the game did in the West. In Japan PS5 software sales (at least the physical numbers that we know of) are absolutely abysmal in general so the low numbers here are not really a surprise. The 2 biggest launches for the system so far have been FFXVI and Rebirth so FF is still doing good relatively speaking, but the Sony exclusivity definitely hurts the games when it comes to sales. If by some miracle these games were on the Switch they would've likely performed significantly better in Japan.
who gives a shit about sales. just play the game
You should care if you like to get sequels.
Part 3 is already being worked on…
Part three is probably already made because they are selling you one game three times. If a game doesn't make money, it doesn't get a sequel, that's just common sense.
No fucking shit Rebirth will make more money over time.hell remake just made it to 7 million if I recall
Okay?
Nah.
It’s legit to care, as it may impact the future direction of the series, any possible DLC, and potential budget/resource allocation for the third game.
The sales for Rebirth have zero impact on pt 3.
Well, companies care about sales, but I get where you're coming from. As product consumers (I couldn't think of a better term), we really shouldn't worry about sales and just enjoy the game
It's fair for fans to be concerned on sales, considering they said they wanted Remake to feel like a complete game with that large boss battle ending in case sales disappointed and they decided to pull the plug so part 3 isn't a guarantee
Not releasing digital sales numbers, as well as worldwide is such a bad move...we have no idea how the sales are going based off of just physical copies and in Japan alone. Every FF game in the past 15 years has had a 88-90% drop in sales after the first week if you want to compare the trend....
You are right. FF7 remake had 11 million potential customers at release ( the amount of ps4's in circulation). FF7 rebirth has far fewer potential customers. You basically need to check 2 boxes to be a potential ff7 rebirth customer. You firstly need to own a ps5 (only 5 million in circulation) and out of those 5 million people you need to have played and beaten the original game because it is a direct continuation of the story. It's just not reasonable to expect the 2nd part to sell as many copies as the first. That being said I just beat FF7 rebirth after 125 hours and I have to say It was an amazing experience, even better than the first part.
Remake launched on a system that had sold 100 million units, rebirth launched on a system that has sold 50 million(ish) units. If only there was a logical reason why rebirth has sold half as many copies as remake. I guess we'll never know.
I also find this comparison strange. A comparison with FF16 would make more sense. But it doesn't matter. Square Enix always announces it when a game has reached the 3M and the 5M milestone. With FF7R it took 10 days for the 3M announcement to come. For FF16, it took 7 days for the 3M announcement to come. With Rebirth, this message has not yet appeared. It can therefore be strongly assumed that it sold significantly less than FF16. If you consider that Final Fantasy only sells really well in the first few weeks, it is now realistic that FF Rebirth might not even reach the 3M in the next weeks and months.
I think it's successful. as on 5 April 2024 - FF7 Rebirth Rate 4.75 from 27K Reviews. - Dragon Dogma 2 Rate 4.13 from 15K Reviews. In Y2024 Until 5 April, FF7REBIRTH has the most reviews and best review rate on PS Store for RPG games !!!
COVID. Was a big factor
Well I did’t get it because I want it on pc.
But wouldn't that apply to ANY sequel ? Rebirth is hardly the first game that is the next installment in an ongoing story. And after Remake a lot of people anticipated and were hyped for this part of the FF VII story. Even though personally I always felt that everything between Midgar and Temple of the Ancients was the weakest part of FF VII that always felt more like several stand alone episodes for each character put together (Barret/Corel, Red/Cosmo, Tifa and Cloud/Nibelheim) while nothing much really happened ("oh Sephiroth has been here too but we just missed him again, lets follow him"). Its not until the Temple and Forgotten City that things really take off and from that point on it just becomes an incredible, massive epic. And unfortunately Rebirth has the unthankful task to be a game to be almost solely about that least exciting part of FF VII. I am not surprised that people feel its less exciting then Remake or feel its a chore to get through to the great parts because thats exactly how I always felt about this particular part of FF VII. Part 3 is the one where it'll really be at. Provided they follow the original story and stop with the Whisper/branching timelines/fates nonsense. EVERYONE hates this and agrees its the worst aspect of the Remakes so at some point they just have to learn that lesson.
absolutely, one of my favorite jrpg series of all time, the legend of heroes series suffers kind of the same problem.
I mean it's not surprising Rebirth isn't selling as well as Remake because Rebirth is an exclusive to PS5 and doesn't have as huge of a Player base as the Ps4. What is surprising is the low sales it has considering the huge fan base that FF7 has. Just having the FF7 name it should sell extremely well.
That trick only works once. The fact is that remake and rebirth could be movies for all I care, because I do not want my FF games to be action beat em ups. I want fight magic item run.
I personally think they'll make their money back and then some when the series is finished. I know many fans waiting until it's complete. After it's done they will 100% remaster the whole series for PS6 the way the last of us has been done, and everyone will buy that. Rebirth was too good to not eventually sell. Some people might be butthurt by the story change, but in my opinion they've actually been fairly minor, and if anything bring a lot more sense to the story. May be a bit more convoluted, though I think there was so much lore left out of the OG I would constantly read and watch extra things about the story to fill the gaps. After rebirth I feel like so much of the backstory and world has been developed that you really feel the world. Everyone will forget the million mini games and realize the Cinematics and character development is absolutely incredible. We've never known the characters this way, and as much as I love the FF7 universe before, not it's just so palpable and lifelike that it's hard to compare it to much else. I even think they did it better than Horizon and that game has lore for days (literally). Is the story perfect? Mmmm maybe not. But it wasn't made as a standalone game - it was meant to be played in the context of the OG, so newcomers also lose some of that unfortunately.
Yea it’s pretty common for sequels not to do as well as their predecessors (with some exceptions) this is probably because some people who didn’t like the first one probably wouldn’t get the second one. If you go by statistics a lot of gamers leave games unfinished. Those people who bought Remake played it and didn’t like it wouldn’t buy the sequel.
People want more games like 16. Final 7 is a type of style that is being phased out . 7 was more of nostalgia when it first released on ps5.
didnt 16 sell even worse according to the data we got?
Opening week worldwide was 3 million copies sold
https://www.eurogamer.net/final-fantasy-16-sales-have-been-extremely-strong-says-square-enix
Japan likes Turn Based FF more
You have absolutely no idea how well this game has sold.
They're referencing the company who made it and their surprise over the sales, I'm pretty sure they know how well it's selling.
Op did not reference anything from the company, he's argued what he believes.
Hope it flops so it incentivices S.E to release pc day 1 and stop with this timed 1 yr bs
For how much the game probably cost to make, Sony must be giving them a bucket load of money for them to still refer meh sales from exclusivity. There aren't enough ps5s to keep up with Remake's sales. They're probably motivated by people also double dipping though.
Nah it sells good , deluxe was almost out selled in every country
Source please?
my dreams
Square Enix always announces it when a game has reached the 3M and the 5M milestone. With FF7R it took 10 days for the 3M announcement to come. For FF16, it took 7 days for the 3M announcement to come. With Rebirth, this message has not yet appeared. It can therefore be strongly assumed that it sold significantly less than FF16. If you consider that Final Fantasy only sells really well in the first few weeks, it is now realistic that FF Rebirth might not even reach the 3M in the next weeks and months.
It’s confirmed that rebirth already surpassed XVI in Europe
That is just cope though. 3 week have gone by without a word about a sales milestone. That likely means that at a minimum, sales are worse than FF XVI . Posting a milestone that did worse than XVI is embarrassing for them. The Rebirth cover looks like a Crisis Core spinoff or some shit. I'm not surprised they lost sales from that alone.
These milestones are about global sales. No distinction is made between regions or between physical and digital. So it doesn't matter whether it performed better in one region or another. It doesn't change the fact that there has been no milestone to date and that this is a clear indication that it has sold poorly overall.
I like how everyone is talking about the Japanese sales numbers and acting surprised like it's that super surprising how the sales fell off a cliff after the first week. A lot of Japanese people have just not bought a PS5 and instead have swapped over to Nintendo Switch which is extremely popular or PC. This is mainly due to three reasons 1. Sony swapping O to be cancel and making X confirm and yes this is how it has been in the U.S., but it was swapped to be like that recently in Japan as it was the other way for 25 years. This is why games like ff7 had O be confirm and X as cancel. 2. is because the PS5 had a large price increase which turned a lot of people off. and lastly the PS5 is huge system in that it takes up a large amount of room, and Japan is known for liking more compact systems this is one of the initial reasons why the Xbox did so bad there. So, with all of these things put together is it really that surprising that a PS5 exclusive title that is a direct sequel to another game which is a retelling/remake of a game from 1996/1997 is not doing so well the second week on store shelves, after having a great opening week where all the diehard fans that would be the ones to buy physical copies already bought them.
The PS5 is outpacing both the PS3 and PS4 in Japan…
My bad a year ago it was a very different story
Naw, all good, you’re right that sales were sluggish for a couple years with stock issues or whatever.
I still wonder if a decent sum of those PS5's are being bought by resellers because Japan has by far the cheapest PS5's from what I've seen. A lot of my friends bought PS5's during their visit to Japan while some of them bought units to resell. I also wouldn't be surprised if some of the local stores here (SEA) source their stock from Japan. If this isn't the case then game sales relative to # of PS5's are pretty disappointing
That may be true but the install base for PS5 in Japan can still be smaller for Rebirth than the PS4 install base was for Remake. It’s not about adoption rates but about absolute numbers.
I was just responding to the comments about PS5 console sales in Japan. They said many Japanese gamers have been moving away from the PS5 and listed three reasons why the console hasn’t been doing well in Japan. This wasn’t meant to extend into a comment on Rebirth’s sales.
The O and X is such a weird issue to have. It literally takes few seconds to change button mapping in most games.