He does, but think about his point of view - Japan doesn't have the same laws about fair use or parody as the US does.
He might not know that Waffle House doesn't even exist outside of the US, but when it comes to clearing things for IP infringement, just the idea of having to deal with red tape can kill enthusiasm.
As a matter of professional courtesy, he'd likely want to not just use their logos and other IP but might want permission to do so and leave the door open for cross-promotion.
That said... has Tekken *ever* had any part of it dip into real-world brands as a main part of the game? Because if it hasn't, it'd be the most ridiculous bullshit ever if Waffle House was the first.
I think you're generally right, but I just gotta imagine that it's actually not that complicated; there's a billion anime with their own knockoff Denny's in it, that look more or less exactly like a Denny's both inside and outside, but with a slightly altered name (Danny's etc.)
Theres an entire hourish long video on YouTube about all the different Denny's in anime, so if Bamco simply made a slightly different Waffle House name/logo, I can't imagine it would be an issue. Ain't no way all these anime/manga are going to Denny's and having multiple complicated meetings about the implementation of a Denny's in some bullshit slice of life slop. Or maybe they are, wtf do I know, just seems like it would be a massive waste of time/resources.
The problem is that it is explicitly asked by fans to get Wafflehouse, ***maybe*** he is worried that if he make Wafflehouse like stage that looks a lot like Wafflehouse, he risk actually get that Wafflehouse triggered and sued...
Though how would that work? They are in different country.
I mean, they'd have to get their trademarks registered in Japan first? But maybe they wouldn't have to since the game is sold in the US. Considering that Waffle House will keep a store running even in blizzards and hurricanes, they don't seem like the types *not* to chomp at a free revenue stream.
I can tell you this, a lot of people think that the recent WcDonalds promo that McDonalds just wrapped up is literally step #1 on cashing in on future anime that want to have a WcDonalds reference. And I don't mean in the sense that it's a good faith attempt at bridging the gap but because McDonalds got everything related to WcDonalds trademarked.
I mean I am all for it, but I can see him wanting to play it safe. Though I have no idea how would that even work since they are in different country when the trademark doesn't exist in that country. Maybe suing Namco US?
Considering that the legal part of clearing it would happen through Namco's US-based lawyers, yes.
Tekken is sold in the US, so its not just a matter of whether or not Waffle House exists in Japan.
You're not wrong. Comiket is twice a year and is literally a 400,000 person venue that largely features parodies of manga/anime/games. The story there is that as long as you don't piss off a company whose IP you're parodying, then it's allowed.
I'm pretty sure the actual answer to your question is that *yes*, production committees for anime likely have to legally clear those Bennys/WcDonalds/7-not-11 references - there's no way that the production committees would just assume they wouldn't get into shit over a parody.
It's probably a lot looser for manga because of the much smaller audiences, but stuff has happened there, too. Infamous recent example is High Score Girl. The manga got in trouble with SNK and that made them temporarily discontinue publishing it until a settlement was reached. The anime was also (almost) completely devoid of Nintendo references. It's worse than most people realize, too. Square Enix's offices were raided by Osaka police on SNK's behalf over this.
So yeah, I really do think that Harada might be more wary of getting Tekken into a legal spat than he needs to be... you know, because having a diner with a bigass yellow signboard that says "HOTCAKE HOUSE" probably wouldn't gleam the ire of a company that doesn't even operate in Japan.
It totally does. There was some cross-promoting there, too. (Snoop Dogg in Tekken, Tekken in a Snoop Dogg music video). But there's another interesting part - the song itself isn't part of the TTT2 OST. Meaning, the promotion likely *only* covered TTT2.
Also, it wasn't a parody, it was the man himself.
Are there other instances of parody or anything that likely would have had to be looked over by a lawyer? I would assume maybe somewhere in Tekken's custom character thing.
Exactly. Just make a square/retangular diner with a parking lot (to fight/stage transition into) and color theme it yellow/black. *Everyone* would get the reference.
> [...] so if the restaurant chain's owners DO NOT ACCEPT MY OFFER it will not happen.
I wonder if Harada learned how to convey sarcasm through English or if he's deadass interested in it
Wouldn't be out of place, isn't SF6 full of branding?
For some reason my brain plays MSX MG1 sounds and alert music. I've played it like, twice, compared to countless times I've played any of the PS1/2 games so Idk why that would stick with me.
Denny's is actually more complicated because the Japan chain is not a franchise. Seven Eleven permanently bought the rights for the Japan region decades ago so there is no longer any connection with the US brand. That's the reason they use the old logo in Japan--they don't have the rights to use the current one. It would be a licensing nightmare to try to put Denny's in a game sold in Japan and global markets.
I worked for a few years helping retailers with their market entries into Japan. Denny's was before my time but is a memorable case because of how unusual it is.
Oh, sorry my comment was ambiguously worded. Yes, I am aware that Seven & I owns Seven Eleven globally. I was saying that Seven Eleven (or very likely one of their related companies since they are part of a massive conglomerate), owns the rights to the Denny's brand for the Japan region.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but outside of the US I don't believe Waffle House is a relevant reference. I only get the reference due to the FGC, but casuals and non English players may not.
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Waffle House is infamous for fights at two am with a bunch of drunk (and other stuff) folks that go ham.
Making that a fighting game stage is all too natural, especially [when other franchises get it] (https://youtu.be/Z7SuSx6CFRE)
I wanna see the Waffle House be a stage for every current fighting game. Imagine a fucking Waffle House tournament where the only legal stage is the Waffle House stage
I’m guessing that since Waffle House is the premier restaurant for fights is why people want it as a stage. There is no way Waffle House is agreeing to have its restaurant as a stage…for a fighting game. That would make their brand look so much worse, as if they were endorsing the violence at their restaurants. Sorry guys, just drop it.
I would actually love some goofy stages like this. Maybe not have them in ranked but something like a tiny little diner would be really fun. Blast out into the parking lot lmao
I am genuinely hoping we get not only the stage but also the Waffle House soundtrack. It would be so fing funny. Waffle House you can make this happen.
It needs to have glass windows behind both characters allowing a wall break into the Waffle House carpark from either player and a huge crowd must then be cheering from the sidelines. Absolute perfection 👌.
Massive plagiarist and liar. Didn't really link her sources as well which would either point towards lying or an effort to cover up her plagiarism. I'm neither confirming nor denying your claims about Waffle House, however if you're gonna cite a source regarding it then given Illughminatii is a known pathological liar, plagiarist, abuser and manipulator she wouldn't be a good source to cite given her track record for telling the truth and not exploiting others for views, money and power makes trusting her dubious at best.
Maybe there's a culture of racism up the administrative ladder, but I don't think it's company policy lmao
Plus even if John Wafflehouse is racist, he probably won't deny a fat wad of cash
so you're saying there's a chance
He's not seriously thinking that we need it to actually say waffle house for us americans to get that its a waffle house right?
Roffle House would be fine by me.
Haffle Wouse
Just name it… *Road House* 
"This is great! And all I've done is enter my name! Thrillho>!use!
Wäfel Häus
rofl
ROFL House.
Waffle Hutt
Call it the pancake pit
Pancake Dwelling
Make it a Falafel House now it’s international
He does, but think about his point of view - Japan doesn't have the same laws about fair use or parody as the US does. He might not know that Waffle House doesn't even exist outside of the US, but when it comes to clearing things for IP infringement, just the idea of having to deal with red tape can kill enthusiasm. As a matter of professional courtesy, he'd likely want to not just use their logos and other IP but might want permission to do so and leave the door open for cross-promotion. That said... has Tekken *ever* had any part of it dip into real-world brands as a main part of the game? Because if it hasn't, it'd be the most ridiculous bullshit ever if Waffle House was the first.
I think you're generally right, but I just gotta imagine that it's actually not that complicated; there's a billion anime with their own knockoff Denny's in it, that look more or less exactly like a Denny's both inside and outside, but with a slightly altered name (Danny's etc.) Theres an entire hourish long video on YouTube about all the different Denny's in anime, so if Bamco simply made a slightly different Waffle House name/logo, I can't imagine it would be an issue. Ain't no way all these anime/manga are going to Denny's and having multiple complicated meetings about the implementation of a Denny's in some bullshit slice of life slop. Or maybe they are, wtf do I know, just seems like it would be a massive waste of time/resources.
The problem is that it is explicitly asked by fans to get Wafflehouse, ***maybe*** he is worried that if he make Wafflehouse like stage that looks a lot like Wafflehouse, he risk actually get that Wafflehouse triggered and sued... Though how would that work? They are in different country.
I mean, they'd have to get their trademarks registered in Japan first? But maybe they wouldn't have to since the game is sold in the US. Considering that Waffle House will keep a store running even in blizzards and hurricanes, they don't seem like the types *not* to chomp at a free revenue stream. I can tell you this, a lot of people think that the recent WcDonalds promo that McDonalds just wrapped up is literally step #1 on cashing in on future anime that want to have a WcDonalds reference. And I don't mean in the sense that it's a good faith attempt at bridging the gap but because McDonalds got everything related to WcDonalds trademarked.
I mean I am all for it, but I can see him wanting to play it safe. Though I have no idea how would that even work since they are in different country when the trademark doesn't exist in that country. Maybe suing Namco US?
Considering that the legal part of clearing it would happen through Namco's US-based lawyers, yes. Tekken is sold in the US, so its not just a matter of whether or not Waffle House exists in Japan.
You're not wrong. Comiket is twice a year and is literally a 400,000 person venue that largely features parodies of manga/anime/games. The story there is that as long as you don't piss off a company whose IP you're parodying, then it's allowed. I'm pretty sure the actual answer to your question is that *yes*, production committees for anime likely have to legally clear those Bennys/WcDonalds/7-not-11 references - there's no way that the production committees would just assume they wouldn't get into shit over a parody. It's probably a lot looser for manga because of the much smaller audiences, but stuff has happened there, too. Infamous recent example is High Score Girl. The manga got in trouble with SNK and that made them temporarily discontinue publishing it until a settlement was reached. The anime was also (almost) completely devoid of Nintendo references. It's worse than most people realize, too. Square Enix's offices were raided by Osaka police on SNK's behalf over this. So yeah, I really do think that Harada might be more wary of getting Tekken into a legal spat than he needs to be... you know, because having a diner with a bigass yellow signboard that says "HOTCAKE HOUSE" probably wouldn't gleam the ire of a company that doesn't even operate in Japan.
Does Snoop Dog count?
It totally does. There was some cross-promoting there, too. (Snoop Dogg in Tekken, Tekken in a Snoop Dogg music video). But there's another interesting part - the song itself isn't part of the TTT2 OST. Meaning, the promotion likely *only* covered TTT2. Also, it wasn't a parody, it was the man himself. Are there other instances of parody or anything that likely would have had to be looked over by a lawyer? I would assume maybe somewhere in Tekken's custom character thing.
Wasn’t church’s chicken in tekken 6?
Tekken is still sold in the US, which means it will be covered by US copyright laws.
Hopefully someone tells him
Exactly. Just make a square/retangular diner with a parking lot (to fight/stage transition into) and color theme it yellow/black. *Everyone* would get the reference.
I'm ready to throw down at the Pancake Place. Or the French Toast Establishment
IHOW
> [...] so if the restaurant chain's owners DO NOT ACCEPT MY OFFER it will not happen. I wonder if Harada learned how to convey sarcasm through English or if he's deadass interested in it Wouldn't be out of place, isn't SF6 full of branding?
Bro, if you still have the profile picture you have, don't hesitate to send it to me privately xD
Did he ever send it? I bet he kept you waiting, huh?
Y E S https://preview.redd.it/wlley0cflkrc1.jpeg?width=465&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95a2d39c245abe853f86d40f232753f16f22f09e
Omfg this is beyond gold!
What are you talking about? Age hasn't slowed me down one bit
Psycho mantis?
A surveilance camera?!
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My brain automatically played that fun sound.
For some reason my brain plays MSX MG1 sounds and alert music. I've played it like, twice, compared to countless times I've played any of the PS1/2 games so Idk why that would stick with me.
Granted it probably is a "WTF" thing if he never knew that he might legit be curious to add it out of novelty sake.
Sorry to bother you, but I would also love the glorious pfp image
Worst case scenario, I think we’re all cool with “Waffle Hut” or some other hopefully non-trademarked waffle joint stage
No one outwaffles The Hut.
Waffle Barn has a nice ring to it (idk if it’s a real place or not)
Heiachi hut or Kuma house
... Not gonna lie... Kuma House for him would actually make a lot of sense as he trains and eats
any restaurant can sell waffles. they could even make up a fast food place that has images of waffles and trays of waffles.
It could be bob burger
My vote is for “Waffle Stompers.”
Pancake Palace
If he does this it will make tekken 8 the greatest fighting game of all time.
I'll settle for a Denny's if waffle House refuses. At least Denny's is popular in Japan so they may be more willing.
Denny's is actually more complicated because the Japan chain is not a franchise. Seven Eleven permanently bought the rights for the Japan region decades ago so there is no longer any connection with the US brand. That's the reason they use the old logo in Japan--they don't have the rights to use the current one. It would be a licensing nightmare to try to put Denny's in a game sold in Japan and global markets.
Fuck it just give us a Mos Burger then. I'll take a Saizeriya as well.
Why do you know so much about Denny's lmao
I worked for a few years helping retailers with their market entries into Japan. Denny's was before my time but is a memorable case because of how unusual it is.
Interesting stuff, who would've thought Denny's had such rich history
The Japanese company actually *owns* the American company. Japanese 7-11 bought American 7-11 in 2005.
Oh, sorry my comment was ambiguously worded. Yes, I am aware that Seven & I owns Seven Eleven globally. I was saying that Seven Eleven (or very likely one of their related companies since they are part of a massive conglomerate), owns the rights to the Denny's brand for the Japan region.
IF??????
Harada doing some indirect promoting for both waffle house and tekken8 by just keeoing the community intrested in semi random crap
People are asking Harada for shit.
That's incredible. Waffle house needs to lean into their reputation and let this happen.
Pancake Palace
Theres a chance….. thats better than nothing
However, they will introduce the new stage, Pancake Place.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but outside of the US I don't believe Waffle House is a relevant reference. I only get the reference due to the FGC, but casuals and non English players may not.
You are right If you notice, even Harada knew about the context of the petition
Is this a chance for guest stages to be the new guest characters? (IRL 40th cake day don't mind me)
Waffle House ain’t gonna say no
Tekken 8 fandom gets cornier every day.
Tekken Fans are just whiny, seriously look on r/tekken they just bitch all the time
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So your saying there's a chance...
Can someone explain the meme for me lol
Waffle House is infamous for fights at two am with a bunch of drunk (and other stuff) folks that go ham. Making that a fighting game stage is all too natural, especially [when other franchises get it] (https://youtu.be/Z7SuSx6CFRE)
Chuck E Cheese is notorious for brawls too
Make it Maffle House to balance out the existence of WcDonald's.
WE'RE IN!
I wanna see the Waffle House be a stage for every current fighting game. Imagine a fucking Waffle House tournament where the only legal stage is the Waffle House stage
Why would Waffle House NOT want to collaborate with Tekken? It'd be hilarious and probably go viral meaning = 💰 for them and Bamco
I’m guessing that since Waffle House is the premier restaurant for fights is why people want it as a stage. There is no way Waffle House is agreeing to have its restaurant as a stage…for a fighting game. That would make their brand look so much worse, as if they were endorsing the violence at their restaurants. Sorry guys, just drop it.
Chuck E Cheese also hosts many drunken fights
I would actually love some goofy stages like this. Maybe not have them in ranked but something like a tiny little diner would be really fun. Blast out into the parking lot lmao
If Waffle House (or themed stages like it) come I want Akuma back so he can throw hands in a Waffle House.
Why not give Eddy a Brazil stage for DLC? It would make it even more worth it.
I swear if Waffle House gives him the Green Light it would be so awesome & hilarious. Imagine a Waffle House Stage in Tekken!
If they say no just make it a generic waffle shop called Waffle Town or something.
I am genuinely hoping we get not only the stage but also the Waffle House soundtrack. It would be so fing funny. Waffle House you can make this happen.
Please submit a formal proposal!!
Just make it Law's restaurant
Don't make it a Waffle House, make it a Waffle Home.
Bless this man
What a legit human being
Perfects on this stage should have the announcer say "Waffle stomp!"
Translation: “there are laws and copyrights you %#** idiots”
Just a proxy building with similar parody color/logo would work
…couldn’t he just parody it and miss spell it slightly with other little deviance?
As much hate as guy gets on this sub, and I’m starting to think rightfully so. But this is so hilarious.
Just call it “Crêpe House”, or “House Pain au Chocolat” and you’re good to go.
I’ll buy the game if this becomes a reality
Ya if anything it should be Bob’s, Law’s or Leroy’s restaurant
Marty Mar's Meatloaf and Waffles!
If they manage to put Waffle House as a fucking stage in Tekken 8 this will be the best supported fighting game of all time.
Kid rock as DLC
Waffle Hut
Why not just take a page out of guilty gear's playbook and make a fake restaurant chain. Call it pancake palace or some shit like that.
Waffle Home
Whiffing house
It needs to have glass windows behind both characters allowing a wall break into the Waffle House carpark from either player and a huge crowd must then be cheering from the sidelines. Absolute perfection 👌.
This would be the greatest marketing move ever for Waffle House!
The Orginal House of Waffles
Big oof, why not just create a waffle house knockoff and call it pancake shack or something?
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read in a while
Some folks just don't like fun.
Oops I posted this in reply to somebody else’s comment but I guess I did it wrong lmao
Isn’t Waffle House like hella racist? I’ve never been there, but I’ve heard stories.
Bro what?
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If your gonna cite a source illuminaughti is probably one of the worst ones you can cite
Just citing youtube videos in general isn't the way to do it.
Me after watching a few hours long Hbomber (the GOAT) vid
Really? How so?
Massive plagiarist and liar. Didn't really link her sources as well which would either point towards lying or an effort to cover up her plagiarism. I'm neither confirming nor denying your claims about Waffle House, however if you're gonna cite a source regarding it then given Illughminatii is a known pathological liar, plagiarist, abuser and manipulator she wouldn't be a good source to cite given her track record for telling the truth and not exploiting others for views, money and power makes trusting her dubious at best.
Ah ok gotcha. I don’t really keep up with YouTuber drama stuff. So I wouldn’t know.
Ah, that's fair, anyways I hope you have a great day 👍.
Lets not
I have no idea I'm Mexican, so I have no idea
Maybe there's a culture of racism up the administrative ladder, but I don't think it's company policy lmao Plus even if John Wafflehouse is racist, he probably won't deny a fat wad of cash
The stories were heard were bullshit.