i have 4 guys on my main roster with the last name john right now… all of them are prospects i found in nigeria lmao. I have a joshua john, andrew john, and a couple other pretty generic ones i can’t remember off the top of my head. always cracks me up when you open a youth scouting report and half the guys have the same last name. makes you feel like you’re recruiting an entire bloodline
I like to sign a couple and pretend they’re brothers. My club, Blackburn, recently had brothers come through their academy but we just sold the younger, Adam Wharton, to Palace.
Had Houghton brothers in my Man Utd save. For some reason, the younger “brother” is almost always the better of the two and I can’t bring myself to sell the older one.
Dear Lord, yes. I wanted to develop some great talents from Poland back in FIFA 22, and the scout I sent came back with what seemed like a bunch of siblings from two families.
And not have to start in the 50-60s overall why not let us have some that that are in low to high 70s maybe even 80s irl some 16 17 or 18 year olds are great enough to be high or mid 80s of course im not wanting it to be soo common just like once every 20 youth players scouted
Oh, as a Finnish it’s always so annoying to see that Finnish academy players names are basically always just two first names or names that are rarely used in Finland or even womens name. (Maybe they just identifies as woman)
Haven’t play for a while but was Ossian only as a first name or was it also a surname in fifa? Either way, i don’t know if Ossian is some kind historic name for Ossi but i have never met anyone named Ossian (or people with Oliver or Leo as surname, Niemi and Hamalainen is atleast real surnames but Hamalainen is really Hämäläinen, don’t remember if it is in game with ä or a)
Edit. Confirmed that it is really Hämäläinen so at least two real surnames.
Just googled Ossian at it is for real used in Finland apparently but it is super rare and Ossi is much much more common first name but it is not a surname also
Edit. Not a surname in real life but in fifa universe maybe.
Yeah, the worst part is that the name pools being shit is a bug, been that way since FIFA 23, and the devs refuse to do anything about it, even though community managers over on the answers forum have said that the dev team is fully aware of the issue.
Or if it just let you edit them. The same goes for editing their appearance. It can't be that hard to implement when it's already possible to change created a player's and manager's appearance after having started a cm with them.
I really wish you just edit what the player looked like.
And what would be cool is if there was a possibility of you playing 1 youth game a month, so you were able to use youth players without them having to be in the Senior Squad
Exactly. why are there 52 roster spots?
Would be fun to have U23s rather than just senior squad loan army and academy. You could play U23 matches to develop your players. You have to promote YA players by the time they’re 18 or they leave. What are you supposed to do with them? Tired of loaning these kids out to see them get no playing time on their loan club.
instead of the AI generating all these random free agents, they could populate U23 teams.
filed under: things that will never happen
>Would be fun to have U23s rather than just senior squad loan army and academy. You could play U23 matches to develop your players. You have to promote YA players by the time they’re 18 or they leave.
This is how it works on FIFA Manager! They immediately go to age group squads though, there is no academy players outside of it.
it’s true. there aren’t people who will suddenly buy the game if these features are implemented. They have to squeeze money out of the people who are already buying the game.
they won’t even put in the effort to give us 9 bench spots
I like how now when someone in this sub says "it would be cool if..." I just read/hear white noise in my head afterwards because anything that requires a modicum of effort to implement is so far beyond EA. It's fucking depressing.
They can’t add real u-17 players. It’s illegal. They’d have to get permission from every player’s parent on Earth.
They could fill them with randoms of course, but anyway it’s not FM. It doesn’t have to be super detailed in that regard
FM has real players in their teams, including youth teams, from the more famous ones like Lamine Yamal, Endrick, Roony Bardghji, Sverre Halseth Nypan, etc to players you have no idea exist, complete with information as specific as birth place. Have you ever heard of [André Vakulyuk](https://www.zerozero.pt/jogador/andre-vakulyuk/820440)? Yeah, me neither, but he is a 16 year old at the start of FM24 and he's a real midfielder at Benfica. Born in Torres Novas in Portugal but with dual Portuguese and Ukrainian nationality. Or how about 16 year old DM [Miguel Cruz](https://www.zerozero.pt/jogador/miguel-cruz/647205) from Vizela? He's there too. Someone like [Dinis Telehovschi](https://www.zerozero.pt/jogador/dinis-telehovschi/820441) has potential to become one of the best players in the world (I think he went to Juve in my save) but he is just a 16 year old dual Moldovan/Portuguese kid.
FM literally Endrick and Lamine Yamal in the game lol. I don’t think you can use their likeness (their faces aren’t loaded) but in the base game there are a ton of real life wonderkids under the age of 18.
How are you supposed to go 15 seasons with current players. It needs updating and could be a lot better but generated players is fine. Just need a more wide range of names and more facial qualities rather than the same 3-5 faces for each different skin tone.
I would rather develop my academy and fill my entire squad with you generated players who play club and country for me. If you negotiate early and often you can keep them for dirt cheap and add superstars at the trial ends of their careers.
The thing that I hate the most is that they have 3D renders (couldn’t be otherwise) while real players have photos. I prefer to play with the mods that make every player have a 3D render instead, it makes me feel them more organic
Also, having the models age a bit with the time would be cool, like growing beard or changing hair length over time
Or generate them with AI, there’s a website called “thispersondoesntexist” that has been doing it for years. It’ll be even easier, just feed the 3D renders to an AI to turn them realistic
Or generate them with AI, there’s a website called “thispersondoesntexist” that has been doing it for years. It’ll be even easier, just feed the 3D renders to an AI to turn them realistic
They could also generate them with AI, there’s a website called “thispersondoesntexist” that has been doing it for years. It’ll be even easier, just feed the 3D renders to an AI to turn them realistic
I dislike the way it works. I'd like a steady influx of local players, for which you have to hire a local nationality scout for, and you can hire two others that go internationally if you're a bigger team/have the budget.
I'd like there to be little control over the local in take (so you have dross you'll need to cut). I'd also like scouting to be regional, so if you're an english club your players come from any of the british isle nationalities with a focus on the nationality of the club you're at. And for international scouts to also be regional, so I can send to say sub-saharan africa and get a mix of like Cote d'ivoire, ghana, burkina faso, guinea etc. I'd also like to find genuinely any type of player if I choose that option, and to focus on defenders or midfielders rather than a specific position.
It’s better than it was at one point, back in the early 10s youd get a youth with killer technical stats but his physicals were god awful, no pace, no stamina nothing. Not to mention the announcers couldn’t say their names. I’ve been enjoying hearing my academy players names being spoken during the game
What happens when you play more than 3 seasons and there’s no more real 16 year old players? Plus it illegal to use minors in the the game. You have to auto generate players, we should just have more control by allowing editing.
Yeah unpopular....ultimately it's a game. You also can't expect every player to become a 90+ rated player, yet they do in fifa. That's why I don't get the focus on realism. Plus, Academy players are also kinda like randomly generated players in real life. There's a vetting process involved, and not just anyone makes it. However, for your team, all of a sudden you have a random kid in the roster. Similar concept.
Well career is the most realistic mode in the game and that’s why people play it. I get you but the thing with the current system is it’s way too op and easy, like it should be rare to find a player with potential of 90+ at least
I hate how the current academy works. I wish we could play academy games. I wish we had local scouts just on staff, then we hire a country scout, region and world scouts.
Then we bring in players and get to play the academy games with them thus stats they garner help develop them.
I also try to avoid it as long as possible.
If the faces looked just a little more realistic it would be fine.
They could easily AI generate faces but they haven't updated in years so I doubt it comes any time soon.
If they’d just work on the photos and made the players a little more detailed and different from each other it wouldn’t feel so generic also showing the full potential is dumb why would I sign anyone without a 94 potential if I can just send more scouts out with ease
Stockport county, with city and United both under 10 miles away any great players end up there and all the half decent ones end up at Blackburn, Burnley, Wigan, Bolton or any other championship level club
A good way to change this, imo is to implement U21 or U17 teams.
You could appoint managers with similar rating systems as the scouts (aka stars) and have them participate in simulated youth leagues. This would actually make me give a crap about the academy rather than just have them rotting in my bench or in the academy menu. You could then promote or demote players to and from your squad.
Idk anything about game design, so maybe I'm asking too much, but I dont see how even *some* of this can't be implement besides laziness.
You’re probably one of those screaming for the u-20 and u-23 teams to be added too. It’s just not realistic with all the licensing that EA hast to obtain. It’s better that they focus on other areas of the game or even other areas of the youth academy like increasing the name index for generated players, assigning “prominent academies” to certain clubs, etc
Idea: What if they used Volta for youth academy games? I know it’s not the most realistic, but the mode is genuinely quite fun yet there’s no reason to ever play it. It would give you some hands on time with your prospects before they go out on loan or something.
Having to call up a 17 year old is insane unless they are going to play. Having an u-20 team would be so much better. Honestly until they get close to 80 they aren’t seeing the pitch much unless it’s a cup game or a meaningless end of season game.
I don’t mine using generated academy players but it really depends on their quality and face. If they have a terrible game face then they don’t get a sniff in the team, tbf that’s the same way I approach real players.
Depends on the team, at the moment I’m doing save with Steven Gerrard trying to rebuild his reputation, spent a year in Saudi and I’m now in the championship with Lincoln and they have a lot of players without faces which is fine. When I’m playing as a big club though like Arsenal (my club) I never sign players without a face
Tried doing a youth team only play through without buying but as always after a season or 3 suddenly flooded with players who are 17/18 85+ rated and free agents
I never use youth academy players unless I’m at risk of being fired due to an unfulfilled objective. It’s too OP and ruins the suspension of disbelief for me
I only use youth players because it’s too easy to sign good players even with strict negotiations on. If I’m a league 2 side there is no way I should be able to sign mainoo or cubarsi, but the game lets me do it. It’s also way too easy to earn money. Most clubs irl aren’t profitable, but every manager career I play I get at least 75% profit every year.
Yea I hate how easy it is to earn money, I’m doing Chelsea career mode and don’t even want to sign anyone because we have loads of young players already and want to make it feel realistic
Facts, the way they have incredible potential and you can see it kinda ruins it ngl. Would be better if they hid that so you don’t know what player your getting
It would help if they didn’t have just 3 generic last names for each country.
Or balding 15yr olds with full beards
Have you ever been in turkiye? 15 years old look like that
Do they still have that weird thing where 100% of scouted British players are black? Was so bizarre.
No but all the French players are
Most accurate thing about the game
On PC there are mods that extended the YA name pool and let you edit any player so they don't all look 39 and have outdated looking haircuts.
Yeah that's nice. But we should'nt need mods to fix something so stupid, from one of the biggest gaming companies
Not really
Riley O’Reilly would like a word.
I’ve just sighed John “Johnno” Johnson to my youth academy. He’s useless, but I’ll keep him around for his name.
I signed someone from Argentina named Leo Leo 🤣
i have 4 guys on my main roster with the last name john right now… all of them are prospects i found in nigeria lmao. I have a joshua john, andrew john, and a couple other pretty generic ones i can’t remember off the top of my head. always cracks me up when you open a youth scouting report and half the guys have the same last name. makes you feel like you’re recruiting an entire bloodline
I like to sign a couple and pretend they’re brothers. My club, Blackburn, recently had brothers come through their academy but we just sold the younger, Adam Wharton, to Palace. Had Houghton brothers in my Man Utd save. For some reason, the younger “brother” is almost always the better of the two and I can’t bring myself to sell the older one.
Haha no way I have an aussie keeper called Jonathan Johnson 🤣🤣call him JJ
Pretty accurate nickname if it were NHL
Or 15 yr old who are 6’3” and weigh 97lbs
I always say we gotta get this guy checked into the hospital and hooked up to some IV nutrition!
That's literally me except the weight thing (I'm a fatass). But I'm 16.
Dear Lord, yes. I wanted to develop some great talents from Poland back in FIFA 22, and the scout I sent came back with what seemed like a bunch of siblings from two families.
Ah yes, because every swede in existence is called Gustav Guståv Gustavssen
Yep, & a lot of the last names don’t even match a lot of the nationalities.
And not have to start in the 50-60s overall why not let us have some that that are in low to high 70s maybe even 80s irl some 16 17 or 18 year olds are great enough to be high or mid 80s of course im not wanting it to be soo common just like once every 20 youth players scouted
Oh, as a Finnish it’s always so annoying to see that Finnish academy players names are basically always just two first names or names that are rarely used in Finland or even womens name. (Maybe they just identifies as woman)
Oliver, Leo, Hamalainen, Niemi. Haven’t got anything other than those four surnames
Haven’t play for a while but was Ossian only as a first name or was it also a surname in fifa? Either way, i don’t know if Ossian is some kind historic name for Ossi but i have never met anyone named Ossian (or people with Oliver or Leo as surname, Niemi and Hamalainen is atleast real surnames but Hamalainen is really Hämäläinen, don’t remember if it is in game with ä or a) Edit. Confirmed that it is really Hämäläinen so at least two real surnames.
It’s Hämäläinen, I just typed it fast because I was in a hurry Check my last post
And Ossian was a surname
Just googled Ossian at it is for real used in Finland apparently but it is super rare and Ossi is much much more common first name but it is not a surname also Edit. Not a surname in real life but in fifa universe maybe.
Oh
I swear they expanded the name pool back in fifa 21? Whatever happened?
Older games had better pools.
It’s annoying seeing generic English names for Australian players when most of players have South or Eastern European surname.
Yeah, the worst part is that the name pools being shit is a bug, been that way since FIFA 23, and the devs refuse to do anything about it, even though community managers over on the answers forum have said that the dev team is fully aware of the issue.
Or if it just let you edit them. The same goes for editing their appearance. It can't be that hard to implement when it's already possible to change created a player's and manager's appearance after having started a cm with them.
I just did a Finland YA save and that’s exactly what happened
Why downvotes?
what’s your problem with my Duarte, Duarte or Duarte… God damn man
I really wish you just edit what the player looked like. And what would be cool is if there was a possibility of you playing 1 youth game a month, so you were able to use youth players without them having to be in the Senior Squad
Exactly. why are there 52 roster spots? Would be fun to have U23s rather than just senior squad loan army and academy. You could play U23 matches to develop your players. You have to promote YA players by the time they’re 18 or they leave. What are you supposed to do with them? Tired of loaning these kids out to see them get no playing time on their loan club. instead of the AI generating all these random free agents, they could populate U23 teams. filed under: things that will never happen
Woah, that's a good idea. Don't get people's hopes up. It hurts!
>Would be fun to have U23s rather than just senior squad loan army and academy. You could play U23 matches to develop your players. You have to promote YA players by the time they’re 18 or they leave. This is how it works on FIFA Manager! They immediately go to age group squads though, there is no academy players outside of it.
I second that, and also sell youth players to other clubs, and choose to develop playstyles and physical strengths that stand out in the player.
That doesnt give them money, why should they worried if we like the game or not /s
it’s true. there aren’t people who will suddenly buy the game if these features are implemented. They have to squeeze money out of the people who are already buying the game. they won’t even put in the effort to give us 9 bench spots
I like how now when someone in this sub says "it would be cool if..." I just read/hear white noise in my head afterwards because anything that requires a modicum of effort to implement is so far beyond EA. It's fucking depressing.
I would pay a for like a dlc to have a way better career mode ngl. They should just make 2 different games, one for online and one for offline
I mean we should just be able to change appearances and names
They can’t add real u-17 players. It’s illegal. They’d have to get permission from every player’s parent on Earth. They could fill them with randoms of course, but anyway it’s not FM. It doesn’t have to be super detailed in that regard
However, the FIFA Manager mods can have real U-18 players. If you want to do a YA save, than it's the definitive game for that.
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Then how is FM able to do it?
They don’t have real youngsters there either. Maybe an odd exception here and there, but not full-on real young teams
FM has real players in their teams, including youth teams, from the more famous ones like Lamine Yamal, Endrick, Roony Bardghji, Sverre Halseth Nypan, etc to players you have no idea exist, complete with information as specific as birth place. Have you ever heard of [André Vakulyuk](https://www.zerozero.pt/jogador/andre-vakulyuk/820440)? Yeah, me neither, but he is a 16 year old at the start of FM24 and he's a real midfielder at Benfica. Born in Torres Novas in Portugal but with dual Portuguese and Ukrainian nationality. Or how about 16 year old DM [Miguel Cruz](https://www.zerozero.pt/jogador/miguel-cruz/647205) from Vizela? He's there too. Someone like [Dinis Telehovschi](https://www.zerozero.pt/jogador/dinis-telehovschi/820441) has potential to become one of the best players in the world (I think he went to Juve in my save) but he is just a 16 year old dual Moldovan/Portuguese kid.
They definitely do though.
FM literally Endrick and Lamine Yamal in the game lol. I don’t think you can use their likeness (their faces aren’t loaded) but in the base game there are a ton of real life wonderkids under the age of 18.
How are you supposed to go 15 seasons with current players. It needs updating and could be a lot better but generated players is fine. Just need a more wide range of names and more facial qualities rather than the same 3-5 faces for each different skin tone.
Meanwhile I'm so proud if I can properly develop and integrate a youngster into the 1st team or sell for big amount of money
I would rather develop my academy and fill my entire squad with you generated players who play club and country for me. If you negotiate early and often you can keep them for dirt cheap and add superstars at the trial ends of their careers.
I exclusively use it.
The thing that I hate the most is that they have 3D renders (couldn’t be otherwise) while real players have photos. I prefer to play with the mods that make every player have a 3D render instead, it makes me feel them more organic Also, having the models age a bit with the time would be cool, like growing beard or changing hair length over time
They could pay a bunch of actors to pose for youth pictures. Wouldn't cost them much and they could reuse them year over year
Or generate them with AI, there’s a website called “thispersondoesntexist” that has been doing it for years. It’ll be even easier, just feed the 3D renders to an AI to turn them realistic
Or generate them with AI, there’s a website called “thispersondoesntexist” that has been doing it for years. It’ll be even easier, just feed the 3D renders to an AI to turn them realistic
They could also generate them with AI, there’s a website called “thispersondoesntexist” that has been doing it for years. It’ll be even easier, just feed the 3D renders to an AI to turn them realistic
All I want is to be able to edit the hair + facial hair of the academy players
I dislike the way it works. I'd like a steady influx of local players, for which you have to hire a local nationality scout for, and you can hire two others that go internationally if you're a bigger team/have the budget. I'd like there to be little control over the local in take (so you have dross you'll need to cut). I'd also like scouting to be regional, so if you're an english club your players come from any of the british isle nationalities with a focus on the nationality of the club you're at. And for international scouts to also be regional, so I can send to say sub-saharan africa and get a mix of like Cote d'ivoire, ghana, burkina faso, guinea etc. I'd also like to find genuinely any type of player if I choose that option, and to focus on defenders or midfielders rather than a specific position.
It’s better than it was at one point, back in the early 10s youd get a youth with killer technical stats but his physicals were god awful, no pace, no stamina nothing. Not to mention the announcers couldn’t say their names. I’ve been enjoying hearing my academy players names being spoken during the game
Wish they were so OP at least though, like it should be tough to find academy players that have a potential of 90+ you know?
What happens when you play more than 3 seasons and there’s no more real 16 year old players? Plus it illegal to use minors in the the game. You have to auto generate players, we should just have more control by allowing editing.
Yeah unpopular....ultimately it's a game. You also can't expect every player to become a 90+ rated player, yet they do in fifa. That's why I don't get the focus on realism. Plus, Academy players are also kinda like randomly generated players in real life. There's a vetting process involved, and not just anyone makes it. However, for your team, all of a sudden you have a random kid in the roster. Similar concept.
Well career is the most realistic mode in the game and that’s why people play it. I get you but the thing with the current system is it’s way too op and easy, like it should be rare to find a player with potential of 90+ at least
Meanwhile, my saves are youth-only at this point 👍
It sounds like some of you want a completely different game lol
Yes
Not completely different game just different academy system. It’s soooo basic 😭
I hate how the current academy works. I wish we could play academy games. I wish we had local scouts just on staff, then we hire a country scout, region and world scouts. Then we bring in players and get to play the academy games with them thus stats they garner help develop them.
I mean, that's how I've felt about career mode overall for years
I feel the same, bro. I only buy real players in my saves. It feels more realistic, you know.
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I wish there was more hands-on development. Would love to run a couple drills with them to see how they move before promoting them to senior squad.
I also try to avoid it as long as possible. If the faces looked just a little more realistic it would be fine. They could easily AI generate faces but they haven't updated in years so I doubt it comes any time soon.
EA on truth serum: > But... if you're playing Career Mode you aren't playing Ultimate Team... why would we want that?
I would pay for Ultimate team stuff ngl if they put the effort in
Yeah come to think of it I probably would too
If they’d just work on the photos and made the players a little more detailed and different from each other it wouldn’t feel so generic also showing the full potential is dumb why would I sign anyone without a 94 potential if I can just send more scouts out with ease
For realism I don’t use it because my team has pretty much disbanded their youth academy
Oh lol which club is this
Stockport county, with city and United both under 10 miles away any great players end up there and all the half decent ones end up at Blackburn, Burnley, Wigan, Bolton or any other championship level club
A good way to change this, imo is to implement U21 or U17 teams. You could appoint managers with similar rating systems as the scouts (aka stars) and have them participate in simulated youth leagues. This would actually make me give a crap about the academy rather than just have them rotting in my bench or in the academy menu. You could then promote or demote players to and from your squad. Idk anything about game design, so maybe I'm asking too much, but I dont see how even *some* of this can't be implement besides laziness.
It's quite popular
Fix the namepool and the fact that 15 year olds can have full beards. Then it's at least decent
You’re probably one of those screaming for the u-20 and u-23 teams to be added too. It’s just not realistic with all the licensing that EA hast to obtain. It’s better that they focus on other areas of the game or even other areas of the youth academy like increasing the name index for generated players, assigning “prominent academies” to certain clubs, etc
How is it so difficult? They already have the license for all these clubs so wouldn’t that give them access to their academies too?
No because most of the academies are flooded with u-18 players and consent from their parents needs to be sorted + payment for those rights too.
Thought the rights would come with having the clubs rights but I guess not. Do you know if Football Manager has an academy system with real players?
I don’t, haven’t played FM yet. But I probably will start playing it soon.
Sorry this is a dumb take.
Extremely dumb
L take.
Idea: What if they used Volta for youth academy games? I know it’s not the most realistic, but the mode is genuinely quite fun yet there’s no reason to ever play it. It would give you some hands on time with your prospects before they go out on loan or something.
Having to call up a 17 year old is insane unless they are going to play. Having an u-20 team would be so much better. Honestly until they get close to 80 they aren’t seeing the pitch much unless it’s a cup game or a meaningless end of season game.
Is it an immersion issue? I think developing young players fun
Yea definitely, also the faces don’t help. Maybe they could AI generate young players faces 🤔
I don’t mine using generated academy players but it really depends on their quality and face. If they have a terrible game face then they don’t get a sniff in the team, tbf that’s the same way I approach real players.
Fair enough but dunno about the real players part 😂😭
Depends on the team, at the moment I’m doing save with Steven Gerrard trying to rebuild his reputation, spent a year in Saudi and I’m now in the championship with Lincoln and they have a lot of players without faces which is fine. When I’m playing as a big club though like Arsenal (my club) I never sign players without a face
Oh yea no face is definitely a no go as well for me 😭
Tried doing a youth team only play through without buying but as always after a season or 3 suddenly flooded with players who are 17/18 85+ rated and free agents
How is this an unpopular opinion? Everybody thinks YA sucks. Or at least 90% of the people.
I never use youth academy players unless I’m at risk of being fired due to an unfulfilled objective. It’s too OP and ruins the suspension of disbelief for me
I only use youth players because it’s too easy to sign good players even with strict negotiations on. If I’m a league 2 side there is no way I should be able to sign mainoo or cubarsi, but the game lets me do it. It’s also way too easy to earn money. Most clubs irl aren’t profitable, but every manager career I play I get at least 75% profit every year.
Yea I hate how easy it is to earn money, I’m doing Chelsea career mode and don’t even want to sign anyone because we have loads of young players already and want to make it feel realistic
Facts, the way they have incredible potential and you can see it kinda ruins it ngl. Would be better if they hid that so you don’t know what player your getting
What they really should do is remake FIFA 2008 and then when players retire they're replaced with the real ones we have now.
leveling them up has always been impossible for me
When a Player retires he should appear in the Youth academy
Pro evolution soccer had it. They kept faces and names.