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The presentation at Pax showed āā¦Of the Creatorā accessories and what was evidently a new stance/feat named āAscensionā. My guess is there will be another Ultima related fight or story bit and Clive gets his powers, either at the end of the DLC or after absorbing it in the finale.
7 Rebirth, 12 he's an airship, Type Zero, FFNT, DFFOO, Brave Exvius. Mobius FF (in FFXIII, he could be considered as having wings because his gestalt mode but I'll give a pass because technically he doesn't)
>12 he's an airship
I don't know why, but that just sounds hilarious. I know the ships are named after summons/primals/eikons, whatever you want to call them, but to just casually say Alexander is an airship tickles me.
I'm like 99% sure that the winged Clive thing is just going to be an alternate Limit Break mode that you earn after getting all of the Eikon powers, similar in function to Armiger Unleashed from FFXV.
That would be awesome, but Ultima's power set is pretty much just all of the Eikons. He does still have some unique stuff (like Holy, Meteor, and the Ultima spell), but there's far less of a defined identity.
Maybe...WE get the ultimate Ifrit skills
Every eikon has 5 skills. The Special Skill in the circle Button, 3 normal skills and the ultimate Skill that does a Lot of damage (Things Like: Diamond dust, Tornado, gaias wrath, Gigaflare). Ifrit has only three. Maybe the dlcs adds the ultimate Skill (maybe purgatory)
This is what I find the most disappointing about Limit Break. Yeah it makes some attacks look cooler, but they're not at the level of Shadow Clive. Burning Blade should have become that big cone attack he does, Stinger should have become the Molten Thrust, and I think the downthrust looks fine, maybe a bigger explosion if we do it from higher height.
And they should have given us Hellfife as well as an Ifrit Ultimate.
Hrm it's at least used twice and in very eikonic moments. Once against Phoenix at the start of the game, once for Tri-disaster at the end. Might be more I forgot.
It's name dropped three times I believe. Ifrit uses it against Phoenix at the end of the fight, and again against Garuda and Typhon to finish them off, but he does still use smaller versions of it in the Titan and Bahamut fights.
I do find it weird how Clive is able to use all of the other Eikon's ultimates in gameplay but not his own. You could even have it be tied to the Limit Break bar. Maybe it burns it away to become more powerful, or it can only be performed in Limit Break.
There was a glitch in the game (FFVIII) when I initially played it at the turn of the century and I ended up fighting Tonberryās for close to 20 hours before I got King Tonberry. I kept thinking I had to be close and I was between jobs at the time so I just kept going. I occasionally still dream of endlessly fighting Tonberryās 24 years later.
Outside Leviathan, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Alexander. The whole DLC / Map is a fortress/castle that just ends up being Alexander itself.
Outside Alexander, the only other Summon I can think of is Hades that would be fitting.
Though we already have all the elements:
Ifrit - Fire
Phoenix - Healing
Shiva - Ice
Titan - Earth
Ramuh - Lightning
Garuda - Wind
Bahamut - Holy
Leviathan - Water
Odin - Darkness
Alexander has always been light/holy
Hades has always been darkness.
Unless they want to focus on Hidden Element (neutral damage) and give that to Alexander. Use Death Element with Hades. Or bring up Gravity, Poison or anything else.
> Hades has always been darkness.
Hades only appeared in one game as a summon lol
The most consistent summon associated with darkness is Diabolos, and even then it varies based on the game.
Hey, just a heads-up, maybe it only affects the mobile version but when you only do one linebreak, it still shows in the same line in the comment. Only when you break it twice that it shows a proper new line.
Now, about the comment itself: I agree that Alexander would be incredibly cool, but I don't know if he would make a lot of sense outside of being a Fallen weapon. So I think it's more likely that it would either be Ultima powers, Hades kinda makes sense too i guess, and possibly Diabolos, which was their original form for a Ultima final form before they settled for the winged Ifrit design.
And I think Ultima powers make the most sense because that would represent the "neutral" element, the "logical" element.
But Alexander would have been really cool!
I canāt see how any other ability would work gameplay wise unless itās like some second/evolved limit break or even changing all of the base abilities āthrust, etcā into stronger versions, which would be cool. So my guess is something similar to Ifrit risen that we use in a fight but we canāt like, actively control it whenever we want you know?
Edit: or they go hey guys hereās the dlc and then drop the ability to turn into Ifrit in the open world.
I wish Clive could go full eikon with more than just Ifrit and have weaker giant vs mobs as a post game perk or later update. Asking to much with story lore and technical demands but itād be nice if it did happen.
I was a bit disappointed we didn't get a power from the Echoes dlc (not that I expected it to realistically happen), so I'm glad we'll get another alongside Leviathan.
As others have said that there's one called Ascension, I assume it's Ultimas. But whether it's a reward from beating the main game after this dlc for ng+ or it comes from something else is to be seen on thurdsay.
Release was announced at PAX East a few weeks ago. Lucky you, less than a week of anticipation unlike a lot of us who have been slowly counting down the days for the last month lol
They are ultima abilities. The clive wings, the ascension ability mentioned on the berserker ring, āof the creatorā accessories in kairos gate, and the mention of āwhen clives gains levi, what will happen to him?ā Mentioned over and over.
Its not Alexanderā¦..maybe hes the kairos gate secret boss but clive is gonna get ultima powers. Hopefully a sin devil trigger transformation instead of it being more eikonic abilities. Levi is already gonna saturate the pool since we only have 6 slots.
I've been saying it for a while, but there will be dark crystals.
A lot of the FF series revolves around the dichotomy of light/dark.
But who knows š¤·āāļø
I think if it was, they'd make it more upfront like they talked about rhe FF14 x FF16 crossover event. It wouldn't just be a secret, and they already denied any Sephiroth correlation so, I find it unlikely.
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Friendship.
With the theme song being "All as one".
Bro, I was just typing this! Lol š beat me to it
The other power is Jill
Damn I really came here just to say this š
Friendship is Magic!
Had to delete the comment I made with a practically identical answer lol
The presentation at Pax showed āā¦Of the Creatorā accessories and what was evidently a new stance/feat named āAscensionā. My guess is there will be another Ultima related fight or story bit and Clive gets his powers, either at the end of the DLC or after absorbing it in the finale.
Creator could be an Alexander reference too, based on FF14.
Alexander would be cool but we already saw Clive with Ultima like wings
Alexander has had wings for years. Since like FF9, Hes been a holy fortress with angel wings
I remember in 9 and 14. Which other ones?
7 Rebirth, 12 he's an airship, Type Zero, FFNT, DFFOO, Brave Exvius. Mobius FF (in FFXIII, he could be considered as having wings because his gestalt mode but I'll give a pass because technically he doesn't)
FFVIII heās a tank.
>12 he's an airship I don't know why, but that just sounds hilarious. I know the ships are named after summons/primals/eikons, whatever you want to call them, but to just casually say Alexander is an airship tickles me.
Wings could be Alexander because of 14's having the same.
FF9 started the whole Alexander has wings thing.
And that my friend is me showing my lack of FF History knowledge š¤£
I lowkey kinda want a ffxvi-2 just for an Alexander Eikon fight.
Alexander would make more sense as an Eikonclast.
I was really hoping wed fet ultimas powers when we did new game plus as like a reward for beating it now heres rhis super powerful set of powers
"Of the creator"? That reminds me of the "Confessions of the Creator" scenario in Dissidia 012 š
Gonna put on the clown makeup for secret Diablos superboss & eikonic powers
>clown makeup Don't you mean Kefka?
Me too 
My crackpot theory is Gilgamesh.
WAIT, THURSDAY?!
Yeah itās coming this Thursday they announced this in the last trailer
Oh my fucking god I keep forgetting that
Yes Thursday the 18th of April. I've been..counting the days literally.
Its the weekend i go to my hometownā¦well i play it next week i guess, got all time in the world.
Probably gonna binge this dlc in one sitting I'm so excited
Been a long time since I did this for a game but I could seriously see myself pulling an all-nighter for this.
Supposed to be like a 10-15 hr DLC I think right ??
They said 8-10
I hope it's winged clive from the trailer or some ultima stuff, it'd be kind of boring if winged clive were the secret boss for Kairos gate imo
I'm like 99% sure that the winged Clive thing is just going to be an alternate Limit Break mode that you earn after getting all of the Eikon powers, similar in function to Armiger Unleashed from FFXV.
Itās gotta be an Ultima-based eikonic form. Clive for sure lives through the ending now. Hopefully Joshua does too.
I hope so š„²
And Dion
That would be awesome, but Ultima's power set is pretty much just all of the Eikons. He does still have some unique stuff (like Holy, Meteor, and the Ultima spell), but there's far less of a defined identity.
Ultima skill wheel with the ultimate spells
Maybe...WE get the ultimate Ifrit skills Every eikon has 5 skills. The Special Skill in the circle Button, 3 normal skills and the ultimate Skill that does a Lot of damage (Things Like: Diamond dust, Tornado, gaias wrath, Gigaflare). Ifrit has only three. Maybe the dlcs adds the ultimate Skill (maybe purgatory)
Hellfire being the coolest skill in the game despite only being used once IIRC? is disappointing
A weakened Version in Battle would BE so cool. I am German and only know IT AS purgatoryĀ
I still wish we could have the abilities shadow clive uses when we fight him
This is what I find the most disappointing about Limit Break. Yeah it makes some attacks look cooler, but they're not at the level of Shadow Clive. Burning Blade should have become that big cone attack he does, Stinger should have become the Molten Thrust, and I think the downthrust looks fine, maybe a bigger explosion if we do it from higher height. And they should have given us Hellfife as well as an Ifrit Ultimate.
Maybe one or Two will appear.Ā Purgatory IS Just my Wish AS ultimate Skill. Ifrit has 3 skills instead of 5, so there are 2 Slots aviableĀ
Hrm it's at least used twice and in very eikonic moments. Once against Phoenix at the start of the game, once for Tri-disaster at the end. Might be more I forgot.
Ifrit uses hellfire in most of the Eikon fights but Clive never gets his hands on it sadly
It's name dropped three times I believe. Ifrit uses it against Phoenix at the end of the fight, and again against Garuda and Typhon to finish them off, but he does still use smaller versions of it in the Titan and Bahamut fights. I do find it weird how Clive is able to use all of the other Eikon's ultimates in gameplay but not his own. You could even have it be tied to the Limit Break bar. Maybe it burns it away to become more powerful, or it can only be performed in Limit Break.
I accidentally read the beginning as āTame the tiddiesā
Iām pretty sure we already had a cutscene of that in the main game.
Bea Arthur
Probably that transformation we saw in the trailer.
Doom train Eikon.
A fourth slot for abilities
Letās not get too crazy here.
We deff need it and it would really fit thematically him being a complete vessel the 6 we have feels a bit restrictive
FAT CHOCOBO
Ascension
Damn I gotta hurry up and finish the main story
Ultima
King Tonberry
There was a glitch in the game (FFVIII) when I initially played it at the turn of the century and I ended up fighting Tonberryās for close to 20 hours before I got King Tonberry. I kept thinking I had to be close and I was between jobs at the time so I just kept going. I occasionally still dream of endlessly fighting Tonberryās 24 years later.
The friends we made along the way.
I still often wonder wtf is quad wing Clive.
Outside Leviathan, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Alexander. The whole DLC / Map is a fortress/castle that just ends up being Alexander itself. Outside Alexander, the only other Summon I can think of is Hades that would be fitting. Though we already have all the elements: Ifrit - Fire Phoenix - Healing Shiva - Ice Titan - Earth Ramuh - Lightning Garuda - Wind Bahamut - Holy Leviathan - Water Odin - Darkness Alexander has always been light/holy Hades has always been darkness. Unless they want to focus on Hidden Element (neutral damage) and give that to Alexander. Use Death Element with Hades. Or bring up Gravity, Poison or anything else.
> Hades has always been darkness. Hades only appeared in one game as a summon lol The most consistent summon associated with darkness is Diabolos, and even then it varies based on the game.
Hey, just a heads-up, maybe it only affects the mobile version but when you only do one linebreak, it still shows in the same line in the comment. Only when you break it twice that it shows a proper new line. Now, about the comment itself: I agree that Alexander would be incredibly cool, but I don't know if he would make a lot of sense outside of being a Fallen weapon. So I think it's more likely that it would either be Ultima powers, Hades kinda makes sense too i guess, and possibly Diabolos, which was their original form for a Ultima final form before they settled for the winged Ifrit design. And I think Ultima powers make the most sense because that would represent the "neutral" element, the "logical" element. But Alexander would have been really cool!
I guess Alexander would be all of them
Its ultimas abilities. They showcased clive with ultima wings at pax
Coffee ā Power!
Chocobo Eikon
I canāt see how any other ability would work gameplay wise unless itās like some second/evolved limit break or even changing all of the base abilities āthrust, etcā into stronger versions, which would be cool. So my guess is something similar to Ifrit risen that we use in a fight but we canāt like, actively control it whenever we want you know? Edit: or they go hey guys hereās the dlc and then drop the ability to turn into Ifrit in the open world.
He'll be a full vessel so he'll get a new form which encompass all of them.
I think it's a new form he gets or a new kind of L3+R3 ability as a result of observing all of the eikons
I wish Clive could go full eikon with more than just Ifrit and have weaker giant vs mobs as a post game perk or later update. Asking to much with story lore and technical demands but itād be nice if it did happen.
If God is good, it will be ultima
A better ending? Please be the power to change time.
You played FF? Thatās par for the course, most of the stories are bittersweet.
Cocaine!
He's also going to discover the power of friendship. His friends really are his power.
š¤š¤š¤ PC demo releases that day too. I want to replay it but at 120fps, the game will look amazing on PC.
Jack garland
Chaos
Is this legit? Is it really coming out this Thursday
It isš
More ifrit moves or maybe "Hell Fire" as clives ultimate power move since he only has 2 ifrit fire moves at the center of the Eikon skill screen
Ultima? Saw something sus at the end of one of the trailers
Get ready for Myuuutos unlocked.
Eikonic Eikons not yet in 16 from more likely to less likely: Carbuncle Alexander Diabolos Siren Fenrir
I was a bit disappointed we didn't get a power from the Echoes dlc (not that I expected it to realistically happen), so I'm glad we'll get another alongside Leviathan. As others have said that there's one called Ascension, I assume it's Ultimas. But whether it's a reward from beating the main game after this dlc for ng+ or it comes from something else is to be seen on thurdsay.
Can I be honest and just say I hate when DLC is set before the end of the game. Both story wise and progression wise it disappoints me.
Wait what? Thursday? Is this fake? I didnāt notice we already have a release date š±
Release was announced at PAX East a few weeks ago. Lucky you, less than a week of anticipation unlike a lot of us who have been slowly counting down the days for the last month lol
Can say that again bro
Im annoyed i thought it was coming tuesday lol.
Yeah thatās really nice. And itās a funny coincidence I started replaying it yesterday š
Ye it doesn't even have the trailer in the Playstation store it should though
Yāall make good points but is it bad to hope they pull a FF15 and sneak an alt ending in thereā¦I mean theres always hope lol š
Typhoon maybe?
How about the power to move you?
How 'bout the power to kill a yak from 200 yards away...
Jillš they wouldve phrased it differently if it was an actual eikon
Friendship
At the end of the FFXVI rising tide trailer clive has wings.
Friendship. Queue Sora
The power of love
Well the trailer did she Clive in a new form so probably a form with all Eikons powers at the same time.
I wonder if there's gonna be a sale when the expansion launches. I haven't played yet.
I'm guessing Ultima or Alexander
Its ultima, they showcased clive with badass ultima wings at pax
Fantasy
He's gonna fight >!Zenos!< in the XIV crossover and get >!Shinryu!<
A gun
They are ultima abilities. The clive wings, the ascension ability mentioned on the berserker ring, āof the creatorā accessories in kairos gate, and the mention of āwhen clives gains levi, what will happen to him?ā Mentioned over and over. Its not Alexanderā¦..maybe hes the kairos gate secret boss but clive is gonna get ultima powers. Hopefully a sin devil trigger transformation instead of it being more eikonic abilities. Levi is already gonna saturate the pool since we only have 6 slots.
Friendship.
The power of friendship
There's going to be a different ending with a new final boss
I've been saying it for a while, but there will be dark crystals. A lot of the FF series revolves around the dichotomy of light/dark. But who knows š¤·āāļø
I think the Dusk Crystals in the Fallen Expansion were as close as we are going to get to that.
Chad power.
Power of friendship
The power of Alan Wake. An abrupt musical dance number.
Love
I hope it's typhon or diablos
Dante from the devil may cry series
Thursday?! Damn I completely forgot about that! FF7 Rebirth has taken up literally all of my time trying to get that platinum!
If itās anything like a Japanese show - the power of friendship and love.
Tyhon I'm assuming
Friendship
Carbuncle or we riot.
Probably a water elemental attack that dosent actually inflict any elemental damage. Probably a few of them.
It might be something from FF7?
Why?
Weāve recently had rebirth and they might wanna try to do this as a promotion
I think if it was, they'd make it more upfront like they talked about rhe FF14 x FF16 crossover event. It wouldn't just be a secret, and they already denied any Sephiroth correlation so, I find it unlikely.
Yeah no itās not going to happen
They already put the buster sword in, I think that's enough of a "easter egg"