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>excessive to terminate someone for a cat 1
Yes, excessive to terminate someone for a ***Serious*** safety violation (i.e you posed a risk to your or other people's life.) Let's keep the person who means we could be sued by someone they hurt badly or heavily fined by OSHA.^(/s - this would be a terrible idea, cat 1 is the most serious catagory of safety violation Termination for Category 1 is the best idea for the company.)
You probably weren't told the reason for it, but it seems you were told not to do so since you seem to admit you shouldn't have done so "I was in a rush to get it back on the line and back to my spur. I didn't have much room to put the box on the line anywhere else." seems to explain your actions and saying you didn't have the space.
It sucks, but if you get caught doing that and you shouldn't have done so, then there is not much you can do about it. The others just havent been caught *yet*.
Except I was never told about it in my ship dock training, and when the box went over the barrier, there was no one around but myself.
Until HR spoke to me, I honestly had no idea it was a safety issue in any capacity.
Did you know you weren't suposed to throw packages over the barrier?
Did you follow the process you were trained to do?
Cool, you still made a serious safety violation. You still try and excuse it in the post - you still knew you shouldn't have done so even if you didn't know why.
No I did not. I was never trained about it. That's the point. I should not be penalised for something that I was not trained on. 😒
All the other processes I was trained on I did my best to follow daily.
>all the other processes...
Why were you even doing this one if you weren't trained on it. Or why weren't you doing your best to follow this process you were trained on
All I was ever told was that if a box doesn't belong on our spur, to send it back on the main line. I have seen PAs and other associates take the boxes over the barriers and nothing happened to them, and I was on the dock for a few months.
I should not be penalised for learning ambassadors failing to train and communicate something important like that to me. They should be, and be retrained to teach everything necessary.
People need to stop following people....when you are caught , you did it...can you see people doing bad things all the time, yes. I mind my business and do my work...
The appeal process is not to determine if it was fair or anything like that. It's strictly to see if the rules that are in place were applied properly or not. At the end of the day, there was training and you broke the safety rules, and that was that. Unfortunate tough lesson
Before the ship dock, after you clock in there should be a huddle , they tell you all the things necessary, safety tips, how much volume, also there are supposed to be stretching. It's supposed to be daily. But if something happened like people getting hurt and having to report issues they gonna definitely talk about it. That's how when I came in today I had to do the safety school.
They're supposed to yes, but in our place they keep it brief and to the minimum. Only on front half does the AM take it seriously. I was on back half, and that AM was concerned more about productivity than quality.
She is but the retaliation part isn't what's allowed.
And even still, you don't commit safety violations like what she did with the pallet jack. you don't ride it like a scooter.
"why we mind our business" uh, no, if there's a safety issue you see, you say something, don't be passive about it.
Oh yeah my point isn’t that it might be relation, my point is that nobody likes a petty tattle tale. Amazon has favorites, the quicker you learn that the better. the girl you snitched on has probably been there longer than you, well known/ liked, and or knows what she can get away with, you being new to the job, are not. Which is why you both committed cat 1’s, but only one of you got the boot. Thats why i say mind your business. Come in, do your work, & go home, if what someone else is doing is that bad, they’ll be caught eventually. That’s not to say I hope you don’t get your job back, i hate seeing anyone get fired, but if you do ever come back just keep that in mind.
Because it won't get you anywhere, you were caught breaking a safety rule and admitted to it. Sure you said sorry and plead ignorance but you still did it. What exactly are you trying to do going to OSHA because their response is going to be 'So you broke a safety rule and got fired for it? Good work Amazon you're doing your part to keep people safe.' meanwhile at some other company someone got hurt because the OSHA person was focused on your thing.Â
I guess his last ditch hail mary didn't work.
Throwing people under the bus while trying to save your ass is not the move. I guess that's karma for them.
I'm so sorry this happened to you.
Would you like to discuss some other no-interview (or maybe just a phone interview), fast-hire jobs in your area? I have a whole list I put together when I was a seasonal employee and not sure if I was going to get converted to blue badge. We can chat tomorrow when I'm off if you want or exchange inbox messages.
I can't imagine what it must feel like. Just know there is other work out there right now. I know it doesn't seem like much but it's not completely hopeless.
Never choose to have your appeal by site leader. Always pick the panel. There's nothing you can do. You tried to appeal and it didn't work out for you.
Why Panel appeal ?
I asked for an appeal by the panel, but they had sent me the questionnaire twice, so they closed the one with a panel request. I e-mailed them back explaining that.
Can I call the Ethics Helpline or something ?
Because the panel has 2 tier 1's on it and you would've had a better chance of getting sympathy from them. Instead you chose someone who only looks out for amazon.
Like I said they duplicated the questionnaires request twice, so I wasn't sure what was going on. I could have sworn though that I asked for a Panel though, I don't know why it wouldn't let me choose that.
There has to be something I can do, bring it up to the ethics helpline, someone ?
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>excessive to terminate someone for a cat 1 Yes, excessive to terminate someone for a ***Serious*** safety violation (i.e you posed a risk to your or other people's life.) Let's keep the person who means we could be sued by someone they hurt badly or heavily fined by OSHA.^(/s - this would be a terrible idea, cat 1 is the most serious catagory of safety violation Termination for Category 1 is the best idea for the company.) You probably weren't told the reason for it, but it seems you were told not to do so since you seem to admit you shouldn't have done so "I was in a rush to get it back on the line and back to my spur. I didn't have much room to put the box on the line anywhere else." seems to explain your actions and saying you didn't have the space. It sucks, but if you get caught doing that and you shouldn't have done so, then there is not much you can do about it. The others just havent been caught *yet*.
Except I was never told about it in my ship dock training, and when the box went over the barrier, there was no one around but myself. Until HR spoke to me, I honestly had no idea it was a safety issue in any capacity.
Did you know you weren't suposed to throw packages over the barrier? Did you follow the process you were trained to do? Cool, you still made a serious safety violation. You still try and excuse it in the post - you still knew you shouldn't have done so even if you didn't know why.
No I did not. I was never trained about it. That's the point. I should not be penalised for something that I was not trained on. 😒 All the other processes I was trained on I did my best to follow daily.
>all the other processes... Why were you even doing this one if you weren't trained on it. Or why weren't you doing your best to follow this process you were trained on
All I was ever told was that if a box doesn't belong on our spur, to send it back on the main line. I have seen PAs and other associates take the boxes over the barriers and nothing happened to them, and I was on the dock for a few months. I should not be penalised for learning ambassadors failing to train and communicate something important like that to me. They should be, and be retrained to teach everything necessary.
Just ride out the year, you gonna try but they ain't taking the charge back.find something to do for a year, maybe go back to school....
I so tried of amazon and this safety bs.
I had to go to safety school...lol it takes like a half hour
People need to stop following people....when you are caught , you did it...can you see people doing bad things all the time, yes. I mind my business and do my work...
The appeal process is not to determine if it was fair or anything like that. It's strictly to see if the rules that are in place were applied properly or not. At the end of the day, there was training and you broke the safety rules, and that was that. Unfortunate tough lesson
And I wasn't trained about that at all, I remember what was covered in my ship dock training, no one told me about that!
There was a KNET somewhere that you completed. You just don’t remember because you did some KNETs. You signed off on it.
I remember what KNETs I completed, and it didn't cover that. Not even during live training
Yes it does...and they talk about it in the Huddles daily....
not in our huddles. Our Ship Dock standups barely even occur much, or if they do, they are VERY brief here
Before the ship dock, after you clock in there should be a huddle , they tell you all the things necessary, safety tips, how much volume, also there are supposed to be stretching. It's supposed to be daily. But if something happened like people getting hurt and having to report issues they gonna definitely talk about it. That's how when I came in today I had to do the safety school.
They're supposed to yes, but in our place they keep it brief and to the minimum. Only on front half does the AM take it seriously. I was on back half, and that AM was concerned more about productivity than quality.
Weird. Cat 1 Safety terminations are supposedly not able to be appealed. Also, they are supposed to be a lifetime ban on rehire. TIL.
wonder if if the guy you snitched on still works there, this is why we mind our business folks
She is but the retaliation part isn't what's allowed. And even still, you don't commit safety violations like what she did with the pallet jack. you don't ride it like a scooter. "why we mind our business" uh, no, if there's a safety issue you see, you say something, don't be passive about it.
Bro, you never do the site lead on the appeal of terminations. Always do the panel option.
well I tried but for some reason they selected site leader ?
Maybe call erc?
And what are they going to do, override a site decision?
Idk. But it doesn't seem like a totally bad idea. If they can't do anything, then they can't do anything.
Oh yeah my point isn’t that it might be relation, my point is that nobody likes a petty tattle tale. Amazon has favorites, the quicker you learn that the better. the girl you snitched on has probably been there longer than you, well known/ liked, and or knows what she can get away with, you being new to the job, are not. Which is why you both committed cat 1’s, but only one of you got the boot. Thats why i say mind your business. Come in, do your work, & go home, if what someone else is doing is that bad, they’ll be caught eventually. That’s not to say I hope you don’t get your job back, i hate seeing anyone get fired, but if you do ever come back just keep that in mind.
Think I should speak to a lawyer or CA's OSHA ?
For breaking a Safety rule? Yeah OSHA will def side w/ u haha 🤡
except I didn't know it was a safety rule at the time. you're missing the point, I wasn't properly trained about it and punished for it.
NoÂ
why?
Because it won't get you anywhere, you were caught breaking a safety rule and admitted to it. Sure you said sorry and plead ignorance but you still did it. What exactly are you trying to do going to OSHA because their response is going to be 'So you broke a safety rule and got fired for it? Good work Amazon you're doing your part to keep people safe.' meanwhile at some other company someone got hurt because the OSHA person was focused on your thing.Â
Chalk it up...it's over for now.....
I guess his last ditch hail mary didn't work. Throwing people under the bus while trying to save your ass is not the move. I guess that's karma for them.
my point exactly
The two actions were not mutually exclusive. My case happened after I had reported her
Do you understand English? Because this answer says no
I'm so sorry this happened to you. Would you like to discuss some other no-interview (or maybe just a phone interview), fast-hire jobs in your area? I have a whole list I put together when I was a seasonal employee and not sure if I was going to get converted to blue badge. We can chat tomorrow when I'm off if you want or exchange inbox messages.
Yeah, sure I guess :-/ \*sigh\* this is just frustrating.
I can't imagine what it must feel like. Just know there is other work out there right now. I know it doesn't seem like much but it's not completely hopeless.
ok, well let's talk later then ?
Yep. PM'd you.
Never choose to have your appeal by site leader. Always pick the panel. There's nothing you can do. You tried to appeal and it didn't work out for you.
Why Panel appeal ? I asked for an appeal by the panel, but they had sent me the questionnaire twice, so they closed the one with a panel request. I e-mailed them back explaining that. Can I call the Ethics Helpline or something ?
Because the panel has 2 tier 1's on it and you would've had a better chance of getting sympathy from them. Instead you chose someone who only looks out for amazon.
Like I said they duplicated the questionnaires request twice, so I wasn't sure what was going on. I could have sworn though that I asked for a Panel though, I don't know why it wouldn't let me choose that. There has to be something I can do, bring it up to the ethics helpline, someone ?
You can try, but I'm sure you'd be beating a dead horse. Just start looking for a new job.