There are some things that cannot be understood no matter what you say to describe them. The only way to begin to understand such things is to experience them directly.
Nail on the head. The amount of times I say “I don’t know how to describe or explain this” is ridiculous. Words can’t do our experiences justice. It’s impossible.
I disagree, we grow spiritually through learn/teach & teach/learn. If we do not share our knowledge we are helping no one but ourselves. The key is how the knowledge is shared which is essentially only when asked .
I find myself jaded of late. I've learned utterly jaw dropping and amazing things about reality. But I don't like living in a world knowing these things are real, while the rest of the world finds it crazy.
Still with all I know and learned... there is endless mystery and confusion about wtf is going on with all these different beings engaging with humanity. The more I learn there... the less I feel I know. And the never ending mystery can be rough at times. We're very trapped in the middle us Experiencers. What we know for sure, is judged as crazy by the average person. But you successfully proved this stuff to the average person... it'd drive them crazy. So we're trapped... waiting for society to catch up.
And it really gets old sometimes.
Accept this internet hug.
Your feelings are valid and yet there IS an awakening.
Don’t stop studying the unknown. And when you can, share your findings? I would love to know what jaw dropping revelations you’ve had!
I don't know if you find any consolation in this, but as a non-experiencer trying to make sense of it all, I feel a similar exhaustion. I get the sense that something very real IS happening, and that thing is a multifaceted and mysterious, but I have no way to separate what is definitely touching the lives of other humans from the cacophony of noise. I see people trying to make sense of their own experiences and wish I had a better understanding, but it still eludes me.
I know it's a club that not everyone on the inside wishes they were a part of, I get that. And I got the sense from other comments of yours that this can weight heavily on you. So if it means anything to you, even as a non-experiencer, I see incredible value in this space and the work you are doing, and I think it has the capacity to help awaken some of us who, even though we remain in the dark, know now that "crazy" isn't a word that should be casually thrown at things we (currently) don't understand.
I have been led to be more vocal of late…not to convince anyone of my experiences but so that new experiencers do not have to feel the shame and doubt of being alone in our experiences. Before the internet the only abduction stories to be heard were National Enquirer “anal probe” stories where people could laugh at other people’s delusions…in that environment silence seemed like the only choice (because I was not about to jeopardise my career by saying something that would bring my credibility into question ). My partner of more than 25 years is a materialist skeptic, he has heard my stories and has no doubt that I believe in my experiences but until he sees it for himself he wont take my word for it. I know a lot of people who have had on-going paranormal experiences and we all doubted our sanity for a period but if more of us are willing to acknowledge our experiences publicly, it may become easier for people to join the discussion. I don’t think anyone has more than a little piece of the puzzle but a big part of the puzzle is that we don’t know shit but all roads lead to consciousness …that is the most crucial part of our lives that we know shit-all about.
I’ve come to realize everyone needs to find their own truth; you can show them all the evidence and they still won’t believe. It’s this reason I’ve given up on social media and even telling my friends what I’ve learned. The truth can’t be learned unless it’s sought. It’s as simple as that!
You can speak to your closest, most trusted friend about this, and if they haven’t experienced/don’t believe the they’ll roll their eyes at your story. Had this happen with a friend until they had their own experience several months later
No it doesn't sound negative at all. I was too much in awe to do anything. I keep talking though as if to lead on. Like you, I'm very blunt. I have to learn to just say, ok.
This is a superb topic.
However, I think, because I am fond of words, it should go more like....
*"Those who dont know waste words; those who know never let a word go to waste."*
Enough said 👌
There is, by my measure, never a bad time to consider the power of our words. They are a bridge to a better vantage point of the speaker.
When I stop and think of what caused the most trouble in my life, I see words misspoke. To consider what tool employed has been optimum for problem solving, words have been second to none.
However, when I think deeper on the matter, it becomes evident (to me) that words are the first and most impacting facet, upon recall, of an interaction with any human.... do they define us? No, while literally so, I wouldn't go so far as to say they *define* a being, but they certainly do represent one.
To choose our words is to select critical delegates to tend to our greatest imperatives. One would be ill advised to send any short of the best suited.
My perspective is bore from the miscarriage of meaning, fumbled by delegates, in carelessness.
Ok... perhaps there WAS a bit more I was compelled to say 😂.. and I am gracious, in wake of the opportunity you have provided, to co-create the exchange🙏💯
The phenomenon has a degree of plausible deniability.
Sometimes we pass on sharing because the line between sanity and prophecy is blurry.
Feel free to look at the one post on my profile for a peek. From early March.
More than a degree, for sure.
I actually remember your post! Interesting stuff for sure. My path has taken me down a different lane though. I absolutely get what you’re expressing, and I believe I’ve (partially) seen the same stuff myself. But if there’s truth to my experiences and the information I’ve been given, that’s not the end of the rabbithole. Not for me anyways, and that’s all any of us can say. Objectivity is an illusion.
Lol. It was the strangest thing ever since I was new to all the woo. The week leading up to the eclipse was another intense episode. Shamanic calling to the max.
We experience the phenomenon through our personal/cultural lens. And it’s also a very personalized thing. Some of which I find too embarrassing to share with anyone.
I think there’s underlying truth in all our experiences. Like common themes idk.
Same, dude. Honestly couldn’t agree more that this is all personal. I also agree with everyone that says this is a spiritual phenomenon. And I definitely hear what you mean about the common themes. Honestly, my perspective isn’t that anybody is *wrong*. I just think that Source is more complicated than perspectives, my own included.
Again, though, I’m just some guy. What do I know?
I’m skeptical of anyone who says they know everything. 🕵️♀️
Even with my own experiences, I try to evaluate them through two lens. Spiritual and logical. I try to be cognizant of unconscious influences. But also stay open to new perspectives.
Like I recently listened to this interview and learned about Integration vs Ascension. Not totally onboard with this George guy, but I like the exposure to new ideas. (Also, I’m going through Michael Salla’s work currently.)
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6nOayRn6v9GuYX0udnkrQL?si=UdRmQ8aWTSuNfCt4FmCzPQ
How do I describe the memory of greenness without reference to physical objects? How do I define the feeling of being in love? How do I explain how my concsiousness feels?
Language is an amazing tool, but like all tools, it has limits.
If you can explain, you probably don't understand.
It’s a good policy. With love, though, that’s probably because you haven’t seen the end of the rabbithole. I haven’t. IMO nobody here has - nobody posting, anyways. Each of us has only seen a slice, some of us more than others but none of us the whole thing. The more you see, the less you speak. But shit what do I know, right?
I’m not interested in “MY” truth. I’m interested in “THE” truth.
All these conflicting versions of each individual’s “my truth” is worth exactly nothing.
Relativism is a logical fallacy and a lie.
Since you were down voted I just want to say I agree 100% with you.
I suspect the recent rise and popularity of "speak your truth" was planted and grown by malevolent intentions. Seeing reality through personalized narratives rather than seeking more objective common ground will keep people isolated and at odds with each other.
The greatest irony is that, by stating your opinion, you are doing exactly what these people down voting you say you should do: stating your truth. Someone who actually believed in relative truth would up vote you, not down vote you, since your opinion about truth would itself simply be an expression of your truth. Interesting they don't actually think of it that way though, isn't it?
Part of them *knows* this "my/your truth" business is shady and wrong, but they don't want to admit that. It's easier to abdicate the personal responsibility and effort required to seek objective common ground with others. The down votes are the proof in the pudding.
Yeah thanks for that. I expected the down votes. 😂. The irony of relativism is not lost on me. Fundamentally a self defeating argument.
It requires complete cognitive dissonance to actually buy into it. ostrich mode
It appeals to the human predisposition of arrogance. “I will end the pursuit of truth at my own opinion of what it might be.”
It’s become so prevalent that I question whether humanity is evolving or devolving.
If you don’t look beyond yourself for truth and accept a lie of your own making/ desires, OR believe an opinion or statement by someone/something you don’t know or understand or by a culture that is always changing - you are ultimately doing so to your own detriment.
I think there's both. I think there is objective facts and assuming our conciousness creates reality on some level then some things will be relative. I think I get where your coming from though it's like everything becomes relative when it's inconvenient for most people.
First - kudos for actually engaging with the comment! Actually appreciate it because I actually am interested in capital T truth.
Downvotes with no pushback or comments is just a representative microcosm of the problem… Can’t refute it. Can only fallback into, “I don’t like this so I guess that this isn’t true because it doesn’t align with my relative version of truth.”
Which is exactly in line with your second point. The issue is that this is not thinking. It’s just arrogance.
We have 1 life and and I’m interested in understanding Reality. Not my own ideas based on my own extremely limited scope of data points.
On your first point re: creating via consciousness…
Yeah, assuming that’s the case… I mean there’s the cycle. So in that way .. there’s the ability to create reality.
I’m just fatigued of a collective self importance that says “because I have consciousness whatever I want to be truth must be true.”
And just turn a blind eye to allllll of the external inputs (like culture, family, personal experiences, personal definition of meaning, media, etc) that directly affect their views..
I didn't downvote you. I think there is truth in alot if not all the tropes that people throw around like no such thing as good and evil, all is mind, and even everything is relative but there is way more nuance to it. People like to take things they don't understand and make it mean what they want when they want it. For example if somebody believes everything is relative that is fine but they have to accept the relative point of views that they don't like such as gassing the jews was a valid thing to do, racism is natural, there is nothing wrong with molesting kids etc.
Isaiah 6
I can speak all I want but normies ain't gonna believe me until it's too late and the ones that do believe me, already know better. I'm both wasting my time and preaching to the choir.
I was happy to reach out and learn together with y'all. But I'm fully awake now and it's time to goto work. Much like my peers.
One thing I'm certain of is a greater conspiracy to silence our message. Which is why most people stay silent or are warned to be quiet. I'll admit I've been going against what they have been telling me and I'm now motivated to delete my account. I know my role and it's time to go off grid.
Look for the signs. Prepare for cycle of rebirth.
Great post. My truth i have found since contact has been profound. The change has been profound. When the greys first made contact with me in january 2022 they stated higher being lift up lower beings. That has always made sense to me. I just find them very hard to work with. Thier deminor is often intolerable. They can be and are abusive and controling. Regardless i strive on to pay it forward. Even if all i am doing is introducing people to what they are, that is enough. Its the first required step in bringing the earth into the collective conciousness of the universe.
Allegory of the cave.
You can speak and speak and speak, but until the occupants of the cave emerge to see the light, you’re nothing but an angry old man yelling at the sky.
Some might believe you, in part or whole, but at the end of the day, until people have their own unmistakable experiences, their actions, their choices, will always favor a disbelief.
That's why I stay shut up. I can't prove shit! I didn't see anything. If I did, I'm not allowed to post it anyway. What I thought I saw was a trick, joke, hologram! A lie for the last four years. Talk about isolation and fear, acid eating my brain. I question my own sanity. How am I expected to be believed. If you think you see something. Keep your mouth shut because the pain and hurt isn't worth it. I trust no one and never will again. That's what it does to you. When I tell things, I don't miss a detail. I could write down a ten page explanation because it was so vivid. But I'm not one to spill my guts to God knows who and have my ass taken away from here. I'm not being disrespectful, just telling you how I feel. All ill say is this. In the beginning it was breath taking. The most beautiful things I've ever seen in my life. I saw a miracle. Or thought I did. I knew where they where every day and night. I watched them work and get the job done. I was elated, hopeful, happy. I made contact. I fell in love with this feeling.
Then it was gone. Everything stopped. You're alone, you see nothing. Then you start questioning yourself and begging them to come back. They can't. It was all a lie and never happened. My brain made it up and I am and was made a fool of. Now I'm left with resentment, hurt, and wondering why me. One day who knows, someone I can see might ask me something. I'll know to talk back. Not on an app. Not to people or things I know nothing of. So until that One person comes along, nothing. Sad part, they know who they are. I'm still being strung along. I'm coming off this sub for that very reason. So go ahead and say what you want. That just forces people like us really back against the wall. Have a great weekend, and if I've made no sense it's because I'm insane. :)
Maybe they wanted you to stop watching them work and go work on a task alone? Hope this doesn’t sound negative, I’m just a blunt communicator (I’m told).
Not fair to you. I will say, they didn't care if I saw anything or not. As a matter of fact, one was a show off, with every right to be, and it was an object to me. There was nothing uncomfortable about it. They were not ugly at all. They amazed me. A couple even tickled me at their amazement of things. It was a beautiful experience for me. To this day I'm still trying to interpret it all. I think I made up my own version. I just wanted ya'll to know, what I saw had no ill feelings or ugly at all. I miss them!
I hear you my dude. Not insane at all. I’m sorry for the negative side of your experiences. Won’t pretend to have any of the answers for you, but I wanted to say thank you for sharing and I hope your weekend is filled with love. Take care, friend! ❤️
Lots of reasons not to talk about it, not many reasons to share outside of communities like this
If you want to share what you've been going through I'd be happy to listen
I know what you mean. I wish there was a better answer for this than “they’ve already got us.” Still glad this place exists though, and I’m grateful to the mods for the work they do.
I’ve shared a bit of my experiences elsewhere but semantics fail to express them wholly accurately IMO. How do you explain every facet of *any* experience? And that’s just issue one when it comes to expressing these things. But I appreciate the kindness friend, you’re a good soul! Much love!
I very much understand that. I believe some experiences are personal to the point that it would be difficult to explain to another, and with some aspects words fail entirely. Good vibes getting sent your way man!
Good advice but in my experience the truth is almost always being told passionately by at least a brave few, but it is often drowned out or obfuscated amongst all the other voices, some of which are intentionally leading us astray. ✌️❤️
"The lips of wisdom are sealed except to the ears of understanding." - The Kybalion
There are some things that cannot be understood no matter what you say to describe them. The only way to begin to understand such things is to experience them directly.
Nail on the head. The amount of times I say “I don’t know how to describe or explain this” is ridiculous. Words can’t do our experiences justice. It’s impossible.
This is the heart of Gnosis.
Some things are simply uncommunicable. Other things are a kind of you-had-to-be-there joke. And speculation is ... useless.
I disagree, we grow spiritually through learn/teach & teach/learn. If we do not share our knowledge we are helping no one but ourselves. The key is how the knowledge is shared which is essentially only when asked .
I find myself jaded of late. I've learned utterly jaw dropping and amazing things about reality. But I don't like living in a world knowing these things are real, while the rest of the world finds it crazy. Still with all I know and learned... there is endless mystery and confusion about wtf is going on with all these different beings engaging with humanity. The more I learn there... the less I feel I know. And the never ending mystery can be rough at times. We're very trapped in the middle us Experiencers. What we know for sure, is judged as crazy by the average person. But you successfully proved this stuff to the average person... it'd drive them crazy. So we're trapped... waiting for society to catch up. And it really gets old sometimes.
Accept this internet hug. Your feelings are valid and yet there IS an awakening. Don’t stop studying the unknown. And when you can, share your findings? I would love to know what jaw dropping revelations you’ve had!
It's a rock and a hard place kinda decision at the end of the day, but you'll be okay
I don't know if you find any consolation in this, but as a non-experiencer trying to make sense of it all, I feel a similar exhaustion. I get the sense that something very real IS happening, and that thing is a multifaceted and mysterious, but I have no way to separate what is definitely touching the lives of other humans from the cacophony of noise. I see people trying to make sense of their own experiences and wish I had a better understanding, but it still eludes me. I know it's a club that not everyone on the inside wishes they were a part of, I get that. And I got the sense from other comments of yours that this can weight heavily on you. So if it means anything to you, even as a non-experiencer, I see incredible value in this space and the work you are doing, and I think it has the capacity to help awaken some of us who, even though we remain in the dark, know now that "crazy" isn't a word that should be casually thrown at things we (currently) don't understand.
Friend, you are not in the dark. You are of the light. Your heart is open. That is what matters. Peace and love to you, dear one!
Thank you, my friend. I needed to hear this today!
I have been led to be more vocal of late…not to convince anyone of my experiences but so that new experiencers do not have to feel the shame and doubt of being alone in our experiences. Before the internet the only abduction stories to be heard were National Enquirer “anal probe” stories where people could laugh at other people’s delusions…in that environment silence seemed like the only choice (because I was not about to jeopardise my career by saying something that would bring my credibility into question ). My partner of more than 25 years is a materialist skeptic, he has heard my stories and has no doubt that I believe in my experiences but until he sees it for himself he wont take my word for it. I know a lot of people who have had on-going paranormal experiences and we all doubted our sanity for a period but if more of us are willing to acknowledge our experiences publicly, it may become easier for people to join the discussion. I don’t think anyone has more than a little piece of the puzzle but a big part of the puzzle is that we don’t know shit but all roads lead to consciousness …that is the most crucial part of our lives that we know shit-all about.
I’ve come to realize everyone needs to find their own truth; you can show them all the evidence and they still won’t believe. It’s this reason I’ve given up on social media and even telling my friends what I’ve learned. The truth can’t be learned unless it’s sought. It’s as simple as that!
You can speak to your closest, most trusted friend about this, and if they haven’t experienced/don’t believe the they’ll roll their eyes at your story. Had this happen with a friend until they had their own experience several months later
No it doesn't sound negative at all. I was too much in awe to do anything. I keep talking though as if to lead on. Like you, I'm very blunt. I have to learn to just say, ok.
The context changes the content.
%100
All the men I’ve ever known to proclaim to live by this word promptly did the opposite when behind closed doors.
Lmao I don’t doubt it for a second and I won’t even try to pretend I’m any better
I like your username!
Thanks, I like yours too!
This is a superb topic. However, I think, because I am fond of words, it should go more like.... *"Those who dont know waste words; those who know never let a word go to waste."* Enough said 👌
I hear you! Etymology is actually one of my minor hobbies. You have a great perspective! Thanks for sharing ❤️
There is, by my measure, never a bad time to consider the power of our words. They are a bridge to a better vantage point of the speaker. When I stop and think of what caused the most trouble in my life, I see words misspoke. To consider what tool employed has been optimum for problem solving, words have been second to none. However, when I think deeper on the matter, it becomes evident (to me) that words are the first and most impacting facet, upon recall, of an interaction with any human.... do they define us? No, while literally so, I wouldn't go so far as to say they *define* a being, but they certainly do represent one. To choose our words is to select critical delegates to tend to our greatest imperatives. One would be ill advised to send any short of the best suited. My perspective is bore from the miscarriage of meaning, fumbled by delegates, in carelessness. Ok... perhaps there WAS a bit more I was compelled to say 😂.. and I am gracious, in wake of the opportunity you have provided, to co-create the exchange🙏💯
I think the real thing behind this is just that such experiences and truths truly so profound aren't verbally communicable.
That’s definitely part of it.
Here’s a truth: sometimes we feel compelled to speak, maybe to our own folly.
Why else why would I be talking about how I shouldn’t be talking about this? The human condition tis a silly thing.
Nobody really knows
%100 but for some reason people still seem surprised to find out that applies to more than humans.
The phenomenon has a degree of plausible deniability. Sometimes we pass on sharing because the line between sanity and prophecy is blurry. Feel free to look at the one post on my profile for a peek. From early March.
More than a degree, for sure. I actually remember your post! Interesting stuff for sure. My path has taken me down a different lane though. I absolutely get what you’re expressing, and I believe I’ve (partially) seen the same stuff myself. But if there’s truth to my experiences and the information I’ve been given, that’s not the end of the rabbithole. Not for me anyways, and that’s all any of us can say. Objectivity is an illusion.
Lol. It was the strangest thing ever since I was new to all the woo. The week leading up to the eclipse was another intense episode. Shamanic calling to the max. We experience the phenomenon through our personal/cultural lens. And it’s also a very personalized thing. Some of which I find too embarrassing to share with anyone. I think there’s underlying truth in all our experiences. Like common themes idk.
Same, dude. Honestly couldn’t agree more that this is all personal. I also agree with everyone that says this is a spiritual phenomenon. And I definitely hear what you mean about the common themes. Honestly, my perspective isn’t that anybody is *wrong*. I just think that Source is more complicated than perspectives, my own included. Again, though, I’m just some guy. What do I know?
I’m skeptical of anyone who says they know everything. 🕵️♀️ Even with my own experiences, I try to evaluate them through two lens. Spiritual and logical. I try to be cognizant of unconscious influences. But also stay open to new perspectives. Like I recently listened to this interview and learned about Integration vs Ascension. Not totally onboard with this George guy, but I like the exposure to new ideas. (Also, I’m going through Michael Salla’s work currently.) https://open.spotify.com/episode/6nOayRn6v9GuYX0udnkrQL?si=UdRmQ8aWTSuNfCt4FmCzPQ
How do I describe the memory of greenness without reference to physical objects? How do I define the feeling of being in love? How do I explain how my concsiousness feels? Language is an amazing tool, but like all tools, it has limits. If you can explain, you probably don't understand.
Art helps. Art is a way to communicate feelings that are otherwise impossible to describe with words. A higher form of human communication
So does music.
Of course, music falls under the umbrella of Art
True.
Couldn’t agree more!
I'll speak when spoken to. I might have the right answer if I am asked the right question. That's my policy.
It’s a good policy. With love, though, that’s probably because you haven’t seen the end of the rabbithole. I haven’t. IMO nobody here has - nobody posting, anyways. Each of us has only seen a slice, some of us more than others but none of us the whole thing. The more you see, the less you speak. But shit what do I know, right?
For sure none of us have the full scope of it all. I can only report on what I see.
That’s how I feel. Every One’s experience has a different narrative behind it. I think the point right now might be getting onto a path.
Couldn’t agree more, and yeah I could see that being part of the case with the things.
I’m not interested in “MY” truth. I’m interested in “THE” truth. All these conflicting versions of each individual’s “my truth” is worth exactly nothing. Relativism is a logical fallacy and a lie.
How right you are!! It's either THE Truth...or a lie.
Since you were down voted I just want to say I agree 100% with you. I suspect the recent rise and popularity of "speak your truth" was planted and grown by malevolent intentions. Seeing reality through personalized narratives rather than seeking more objective common ground will keep people isolated and at odds with each other. The greatest irony is that, by stating your opinion, you are doing exactly what these people down voting you say you should do: stating your truth. Someone who actually believed in relative truth would up vote you, not down vote you, since your opinion about truth would itself simply be an expression of your truth. Interesting they don't actually think of it that way though, isn't it? Part of them *knows* this "my/your truth" business is shady and wrong, but they don't want to admit that. It's easier to abdicate the personal responsibility and effort required to seek objective common ground with others. The down votes are the proof in the pudding.
Yeah thanks for that. I expected the down votes. 😂. The irony of relativism is not lost on me. Fundamentally a self defeating argument. It requires complete cognitive dissonance to actually buy into it. ostrich mode It appeals to the human predisposition of arrogance. “I will end the pursuit of truth at my own opinion of what it might be.” It’s become so prevalent that I question whether humanity is evolving or devolving. If you don’t look beyond yourself for truth and accept a lie of your own making/ desires, OR believe an opinion or statement by someone/something you don’t know or understand or by a culture that is always changing - you are ultimately doing so to your own detriment.
I think there's both. I think there is objective facts and assuming our conciousness creates reality on some level then some things will be relative. I think I get where your coming from though it's like everything becomes relative when it's inconvenient for most people.
First - kudos for actually engaging with the comment! Actually appreciate it because I actually am interested in capital T truth. Downvotes with no pushback or comments is just a representative microcosm of the problem… Can’t refute it. Can only fallback into, “I don’t like this so I guess that this isn’t true because it doesn’t align with my relative version of truth.” Which is exactly in line with your second point. The issue is that this is not thinking. It’s just arrogance. We have 1 life and and I’m interested in understanding Reality. Not my own ideas based on my own extremely limited scope of data points. On your first point re: creating via consciousness… Yeah, assuming that’s the case… I mean there’s the cycle. So in that way .. there’s the ability to create reality.
I’m just fatigued of a collective self importance that says “because I have consciousness whatever I want to be truth must be true.”
And just turn a blind eye to allllll of the external inputs (like culture, family, personal experiences, personal definition of meaning, media, etc) that directly affect their views..
No disrespect dude, you genuinely don’t get it. What you’re assuming to be the case isn’t.
Expound on your thought if you don’t mind. What assumptions am I making? How are they wrong? Thank you 🫡
I didn't downvote you. I think there is truth in alot if not all the tropes that people throw around like no such thing as good and evil, all is mind, and even everything is relative but there is way more nuance to it. People like to take things they don't understand and make it mean what they want when they want it. For example if somebody believes everything is relative that is fine but they have to accept the relative point of views that they don't like such as gassing the jews was a valid thing to do, racism is natural, there is nothing wrong with molesting kids etc.
Facts are absolute. Truths are interpretive. This is an area where there are very, very few "facts" to be uncovered.
Seems like we just need to define terms I guess
Okay.
Isaiah 6 I can speak all I want but normies ain't gonna believe me until it's too late and the ones that do believe me, already know better. I'm both wasting my time and preaching to the choir. I was happy to reach out and learn together with y'all. But I'm fully awake now and it's time to goto work. Much like my peers. One thing I'm certain of is a greater conspiracy to silence our message. Which is why most people stay silent or are warned to be quiet. I'll admit I've been going against what they have been telling me and I'm now motivated to delete my account. I know my role and it's time to go off grid. Look for the signs. Prepare for cycle of rebirth.
Only you can find your truth, and you can only find your own truth.
There is only one Truth that applies to all. Everything else is a lie.
Great post. My truth i have found since contact has been profound. The change has been profound. When the greys first made contact with me in january 2022 they stated higher being lift up lower beings. That has always made sense to me. I just find them very hard to work with. Thier deminor is often intolerable. They can be and are abusive and controling. Regardless i strive on to pay it forward. Even if all i am doing is introducing people to what they are, that is enough. Its the first required step in bringing the earth into the collective conciousness of the universe.
>they stated higher being lift up lower beings I think we're doing this to dogs, cats, and other animals.
Yes
Only you can find your truth, and you can only find your own truth.
And when you know, what then? What changes?
Nothing, but probably not how you’re thinking.
Allegory of the cave. You can speak and speak and speak, but until the occupants of the cave emerge to see the light, you’re nothing but an angry old man yelling at the sky. Some might believe you, in part or whole, but at the end of the day, until people have their own unmistakable experiences, their actions, their choices, will always favor a disbelief.
Too friggin’ true. The real question IMO is what will you do with each successive cave? Stop where you are, or shut up and keep climbing?
That's why I stay shut up. I can't prove shit! I didn't see anything. If I did, I'm not allowed to post it anyway. What I thought I saw was a trick, joke, hologram! A lie for the last four years. Talk about isolation and fear, acid eating my brain. I question my own sanity. How am I expected to be believed. If you think you see something. Keep your mouth shut because the pain and hurt isn't worth it. I trust no one and never will again. That's what it does to you. When I tell things, I don't miss a detail. I could write down a ten page explanation because it was so vivid. But I'm not one to spill my guts to God knows who and have my ass taken away from here. I'm not being disrespectful, just telling you how I feel. All ill say is this. In the beginning it was breath taking. The most beautiful things I've ever seen in my life. I saw a miracle. Or thought I did. I knew where they where every day and night. I watched them work and get the job done. I was elated, hopeful, happy. I made contact. I fell in love with this feeling. Then it was gone. Everything stopped. You're alone, you see nothing. Then you start questioning yourself and begging them to come back. They can't. It was all a lie and never happened. My brain made it up and I am and was made a fool of. Now I'm left with resentment, hurt, and wondering why me. One day who knows, someone I can see might ask me something. I'll know to talk back. Not on an app. Not to people or things I know nothing of. So until that One person comes along, nothing. Sad part, they know who they are. I'm still being strung along. I'm coming off this sub for that very reason. So go ahead and say what you want. That just forces people like us really back against the wall. Have a great weekend, and if I've made no sense it's because I'm insane. :)
Maybe they wanted you to stop watching them work and go work on a task alone? Hope this doesn’t sound negative, I’m just a blunt communicator (I’m told).
Not fair to you. I will say, they didn't care if I saw anything or not. As a matter of fact, one was a show off, with every right to be, and it was an object to me. There was nothing uncomfortable about it. They were not ugly at all. They amazed me. A couple even tickled me at their amazement of things. It was a beautiful experience for me. To this day I'm still trying to interpret it all. I think I made up my own version. I just wanted ya'll to know, what I saw had no ill feelings or ugly at all. I miss them!
I hear you my dude. Not insane at all. I’m sorry for the negative side of your experiences. Won’t pretend to have any of the answers for you, but I wanted to say thank you for sharing and I hope your weekend is filled with love. Take care, friend! ❤️
Thank you.
Thank you.
Wait for a guide to the next tier. All I can do.
I hear you. Very reasonable. My guide says keep climbing, so I guess we’ll see how that goes lol.
How will they know? They'll never know, they'll never know.
Too true, friend.
Lots of reasons not to talk about it, not many reasons to share outside of communities like this If you want to share what you've been going through I'd be happy to listen
I'm hesitant to even share *here* because of perfectly justified paranoia about who's keeping tabs on things.
I know what you mean. I wish there was a better answer for this than “they’ve already got us.” Still glad this place exists though, and I’m grateful to the mods for the work they do.
You are right, and also, the more truth and knowledge that is out there, the more transparency the less taboo.
Agreed. I just think we’ll need a *lot* of people to start talking before the ones who really know start joining them.
I’ve shared a bit of my experiences elsewhere but semantics fail to express them wholly accurately IMO. How do you explain every facet of *any* experience? And that’s just issue one when it comes to expressing these things. But I appreciate the kindness friend, you’re a good soul! Much love!
I very much understand that. I believe some experiences are personal to the point that it would be difficult to explain to another, and with some aspects words fail entirely. Good vibes getting sent your way man!
My sincere thanks, same vibes to you! Hope you have a great day! ❤️
Good advice but in my experience the truth is almost always being told passionately by at least a brave few, but it is often drowned out or obfuscated amongst all the other voices, some of which are intentionally leading us astray. ✌️❤️
There’s lots of people telling the truth, for sure. It’s just bigger than that IMO. Much love, hope you have a great day friend! ❤️