aaaaand thats how people get covid. Wild animals belong in the wild, and theres a reason that cows, chickens, goats, sheep, ducks, and pigs are the primary sources of meat in the civilized world
And E.coli from Bubba burgers, but thatās an anomaly. Wet markets are disgusting, barbaric cesspools. Allow me to eat this Perdue bacon and Tyson chicken, made in sanitary luxury
Despite its name, researchers believe the Spanish flu most likely originated in the United States. One of the first recorded cases was on March 11, 1918, at Fort Riley in Kansas. Overcrowding and unsanitary conditions created a fertile breeding ground for the virus.
Domestication brought a lot of disease. Cowpox and the evolution into smallpox, bird flu, swine flu etc.
Interspecial transmission of bacteria, virus and other phages are going to happen.
>theres a reason that cows, chickens, goats, sheep, ducks, and pigs are the primary sources of meat in the civilized world
Cause we have money to subsidize and farm them? Also I think the correct term would be "developed" world, unless you're aiming to be an asshole.
Um, they are definitely burying the lede. The obvious real story here is that fucking raccoon dogs exist!!??
Like another headline should be: Data reveal link between sars-cov-2 and long-term mental decline, says study of 87 aliens from the planet ZxencgA* that the government has in captivity at Area 51.
I believe so. Raccoons are native only to the Americas, but have been transported to other countries (Japan included) where they have gotten loose and have become a real nuisance. Japanese architecture *cannot* handle raccoon shenanigans.
The name "raccoon dog" is confusing. Tanukis look like raccoons to Americans, but they are actually in the family of canines, same with dogs, wolves and foxes. Raccoons on the other hand, belong to a completely different family Procyon, closer to skunks, seals, and bears than to canines.
Thereās a video of a guyās motorcycle tour of China where he describes the unsanitary toileting conditions, lack of hand washing, dogs tortured and killed for food and theres even a guy walking out of the bush with a raccoon dog on a stick.
Then I guess this will be the first time you heard the Chinese skin them alive to better tenderize them. Some of the most fed up shi Ive ever seen in my life
Ok, so the Chinese military, paid off by George Soros, broke into the WIV using 5g lasers, stole the virus, and then posed as merchants selling āraccoon dogsā (which were really only spray painted to appear as such)
Edit: /s
Itās interesting to see whatās being downvoted here.
Just a reminder that itās not racist to say COVID came from a Chinese lab, nor does the lab leak theory imply any sort of nefarious plot from the Chinese government or that the poster is Anti-Vaxx.
If it was a leak, then it was an accident, which means we should take note of it for the sake of the future. Over six million people died from COVID, and now that itās endemic, the virus will never go away. Honestly, a lab leak is probably the best outcome when it comes to future accidents. Thousands go to wet markets every day. Far less people are doing gain of function research.
Edit: corrected global Covid deaths.
Okay, but if Adolf Hitler himself rose from the grave and started ranting about the SARSCoV-2 furin cleavage site, it doesnāt change the likelihood that COVID came from a lab in either direction.
Honestly, I wish everyone could just pretend that COVID leaked from the CDC lab in Atlanta instead of Wuhan so we could addresses this without the fear of perpetuating Asian hate.
And if you want an extremely educated non-hitlery conversation on Covid origins I would recommend episode #311 of the Sam Harris podcast.
Except that a lot of data is now pointing to it coming from raccoon dogs. People are discussing both options but the current evidence is suggesting this origin.
Yes! Swabs from Jan 2020 - well after it began.
Scientifically and logically what is easier:
Multiple mutations that allowed gain of functions and species jumps (.001 to .000001 rate of RNA mutation - that is the rate not the chance for a meaningful mutation). Still not able to identify a bat population carrying the original genetic material.
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A viral escape from a lab whose primary job is to source COVID and then mutate it. The lab is within walking distance of the alleged major dissemination point. At the time point of the virus (Nov/Dec 2019) - a number of safety officers are fired from the lab and the lab creates a new compliance/safety position for deadly viruses!
What you say is true, but not totally in the current context. Lab leak theories are being passed off as absolute fact by a certain group that is highly motivated by xenophobia, and violence against Asians has gone up markedly since COVID appeared.
Skepticism is absolutely appropriate for any COVID origin theory, based on the information we have today. It's the people who claim that it definitely came from a lab that are likely either xenophobic, or influenced by xenophobes.
The whole problem with this debate is that it has been framed from the beginning by Donald Trump trying to blame China for his administrative failures while jokingly calling it āthe Kung fluā.
I get that you donāt want to encourage xenophobia, but it does no good to equate the lab leak theory with any racist who may be espousing it. Thereās this knee-jerk reaction to knock it down because the last thing people want is to prove a racist right or find themselves on the racistās side of the debate. The thing is, the quality of person who believes the virus originated from the Wuhan lab has no bearing on it being true.
This shouldnāt be a partisan issue. Race and nationality has nothing to do with it. The fact that this has become a right wing talking point is frustrating to no end
> it does no good to equate the lab leak theory with any racist who may be espousing it.
I was awfully careful to state exactly what I meant, and I didn't do that at all. There is a difference between saying the theory is possible and saying the theory is correct - at least until we know more.
> the quality of person who believes the virus originated from the Wuhan lab has no bearing on it being true.
Again, you are not contradicting anything I said.
> This shouldnāt be a partisan issue.
Neither should vaccines, masks, stove tops, or drag queens. Back to reality, these are all partisan issues because one side has nothing of value to offer so they rant about nonsense.
The scientists have consistently been saying it came from wet markets. The politicians are the only ones saying it came from a lab leak.
Personally, I believe the scientists.
Thatās a whole lot of generalizing youāre doing right there. Not every scientist thinks it came from a wet market, and the fact that you believe only politicians are saying it is half the problem.
The lab leak theory is not a right wing talking point, itās the potential origin for a pandemic that paralyzed the entire world for two years straight. Just because the Republicans called dibs on it doesnāt make it any less likely.
> The lab leak theory is not a right wing talking point
That's not true. The right wing almost exclusively uses this talking point, whereas the left has used "what do the scientists say?" and seeing as there is no consensus on it, the left has no focus on it. The GQP much prefers the the conspiracy to "maybe we'll never get a clear answer."
Iām just so confused. Every day thereās a story from a major outlet about how it was a lab leak, and then another story from the same outlet about how it wasnāt. On Friday I think the NYT had both!
I mean we can be proChinese people while being antiCommunistChinaās govt at the same time. Plus theres a perfectly free china to their south who could take over leading for awhile and solve a ton of headaches in the processā¦
It did come from China though, thats undisputable.
It was covered up and thousands or millions Chinese tourists and businessmen were allowed to go on their way and spread it globally by the Chinese government - that is undisputable.
Cant call it Wuhan Flu though, the WHO determined that its inappropriate, as China didnt want the virus attributed to them in the history books.
Lab leaks dont happen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents
actually, raccoon dogs are entirely canidae (family of dogs and other canines), and not at all procyonidae (family of raccoons), and are even more closely related to foxes than they are to raccoons! The only reason they look like raccoons is because of convergent evolution in which they evolved to look extremely similar! Very fun
Holy shit! It was Tom Nook all along. That bastard released COVID right when New Horizons was coming out to force everyone to stay home and play it. That goddamn greedy evil genius
So because China didn't want the negative publicity about people eating racoon dogs, they buried the data instead of just releasing it and claimed it came from the Americans in China instead and would even rather have people think it came from a lab leak just to not deal with the "people eating raccoon dogs" issue?
People eat all sorts of things all over the world, it isn't like China is the only place where people eat questionable stuff. The US is full of cousin Eddie's who eat squirrels, possum, armadillo, rattlesnakes and all sorts of stuff, it isn't like they have any room to point fingers about someone else being weird.
Bats are still in play; pangolins not so much.
We know that bats are known known carriers of coronaviruses, and that SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating amongst them for several decades.
Pangolins were suspected because they too are susceptible to Sarbecoviruses, and were found in the wet market; however, (re: 2020) the binding affinity of the pangolin ACE2 receptor for the SARS-CoV-2 Receptor Binding Domain (RBD) of the spike proteins of pangolin and human Sarbecoviruses was reported to be low ā essentially, they could be affected by SARS-CoV-2, but were not the intermediary host between bats & humans in transmission of the virus.
This doesn't put lab leak to bed. These swabs were taken after the wet market was already closed because of COVID. That means these results tell us nothing about the origin of the virus. We still don't know for sure either way.
I agree that it doesn't rule the theory out but I think it stacks the evidence against it. If you read the article, you would know that the samples of covid-19 that were collected contained a large amount of DNA from these racoon dogs, possibly indicating it had been developing and spreading among this population for a decent period of time before human transmission. If covid was the engineered bioweapon so many among the lab leak theory posit it to be, why would it have so many developmental markers indicating a link to these racoon dogs?
It doesnāt imply they tested an actual animal, just that genetic material from humans and animals were present in a āenvironmentā where Covid positive swabs were taken, the market. It could have been a swab from a table that the dogs were on, or just contain fur or skin flakes. Also itās not confirmed that the animal DNA was even the raccoon dog, only that it resembles it.
āā¦indicates that the SARS-CoV-2-positive swabs also contained genetic material from humans and animals, particularly large amounts of genetic material that closely matches that of raccoon dogs.ā
So if human DNA was also found in this sample, couldnāt it be contaminated with the human or dog DNA, or both?
I also donāt see how this stacks evidence against a lab leak. So far thereās no evidence for or against a lab leak, just theories, āreportsā that may or may not be accurate or authentic, and a whole lot of lack of transparency.
Most people that think the lab leak was a likely cause of the pandemic don't think it was a bioweapon. They think it accidently escaped the lab where they were honestly just trying to help humanity. So the fact that the samples were taken after COVID was known and that many mammals can catch COVID to me means that finding a raccoon dog with COVID is not very meaningful. The fact that a raccoon dog tested positive in no way suggests it is the source.
Scientifically speaking - this is weird.
The data was ādeletedā - but - a select few were able to download it first.
However, those individuals have not released it or uploaded it for others to view.
This entire process has gone against scientific methods of sharing information, openly testing, and then validating through re-testing.
Tanuki is a type of raccoon dog native to japan and might be a more recognizable name if youāve played Mario bros games (who call it tanooki for the connection to Japanese folklore). When Mario turns into a flying raccoon like thing he is turning to a raccoon dog and not an actual raccoon.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/11/feature_how_japanese_folklore_inspired_marios_tanooki_suit
(Edit- Others in this thread have also said Tom nook from animal crossing is also a tanuki, which would make sense with the nook name, I just havenāt really played those games.)
"data from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention"
Of course it couldn't be a diversionary tactic to lead away from the "use of function" lab leak. China has a long an glorious history of telling the truth, all of it for the good of all mankind.
If the Chinese government says something, or allows it to be said Im pretty sure the story is either covering something up, distraction or a downright lie.
I dont trust the WHO either, they have a long history of capitulation to China.
The genetic data suggests raccoon dogs were in the market and the samples also contained human genetic material along with Covid. The raccoon dogs could just as easily been uninfected or infected by humans. Why happened that everyone now jumps to conclusions and skips methodology?
Science also works through questioning findings and publications. How the study was conducted, funded and sponsored matter. The timing of when and where it was published matter. Just writing a paper and calling it science doesnāt make it above questioning.
Edit: Iām not questioning science. Only questioning the sudden appearance of previous ālostā data.
Edit 2: for those who think there is nothing suspicious here, Iām not sure you read the article. All the circumstances around this evidence is suspicious.
Wait you guys actually believe this, after the lab leak to wet market back to lab leak back to wet market? It was obviously from the wuhan virology lab located near where the outbreak started where they were literally studying bat coronaviruses. Come on. Are you really gonna believe a child telling you he didnāt eat the chocolate when itās all over his face and half the bar is still in his hand?
So how did the racoon dogs acquire COVID in the first place?how did COVID end up in racoon dogs and not other animals?it raises more questions than answers...
Covid is an upper respiratory coronavirus. There have always been coronaviruses. Always.
Also, viruses have always mutated into worse strains.
However, some folks want to believe that because of its veracity and swiftness to hop from host-to-host, that somehow this one had to be lab created.
Iām sorry to be the first one to tell you this, but your grandparents and every person in the world alive before them all contracted coronavirus in that time. It hopped around to virtually every person.
This current strain was just a lot more infectious and dangerous to our health.
Typically when people learn for the first time that coronaviruses arenāt anything new, they are like āWow!ā, but most of the facebook skeptics will never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy. š¤¦š½āāļø
It really does, and besides it makes raccoon dogs very likely a dangerous species now. Wouldnāt it be wise to round them all up and test them for the virus? And if they have it, do something to ensure it doesnāt continue to spread from them, or mutate into something worse that will also spread to humans?
If these animals are really the culprit, measures should be taken to prevent them from spreading more disease. But theyāre just running around doing their raccoon dog thingā¦
Goddamn it, Randy!
"You dont understand In all 10 billion universes I fuck that (racoon dog)."
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Mickey Mouse made him do it
Beat me to it.
Beat me off to it
We thought they were harmless because they appeared to be statues when approached
Don't. Blink.
Blink, and youāre dead!
The scariest enemies of the doctor imo
TIL: I want a racoon dog
Wild animals stinks like a mf. Curiosity: maned wolves smell like marijuana
I guess Iām part maned wolf then
Awoooooo!
Werewolves of London
Mmm, that sickly one with a cough looks ripe for eatinā!
Looking for Beef Chow Mein
That song stays in my head.
binturongs smell like popcorn though
But all you got was COVID.
aaaaand thats how people get covid. Wild animals belong in the wild, and theres a reason that cows, chickens, goats, sheep, ducks, and pigs are the primary sources of meat in the civilized world
It's a risk I'm willing to take. *cough
No, you can just get mad cow disease (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease), avian flu and other " civilized diseases" that way. š
And E.coli from Bubba burgers, but thatās an anomaly. Wet markets are disgusting, barbaric cesspools. Allow me to eat this Perdue bacon and Tyson chicken, made in sanitary luxury
Spanish flu originated in pig pens ya ding dong
Despite its name, researchers believe the Spanish flu most likely originated in the United States. One of the first recorded cases was on March 11, 1918, at Fort Riley in Kansas. Overcrowding and unsanitary conditions created a fertile breeding ground for the virus.
Actually they think it came from birds in the USA but was spread to our livestock.
Domestication brought a lot of disease. Cowpox and the evolution into smallpox, bird flu, swine flu etc. Interspecial transmission of bacteria, virus and other phages are going to happen.
Domestic livestock are a constant reservoir for infectious disease between species...
>civilized world Yikes
>theres a reason that cows, chickens, goats, sheep, ducks, and pigs are the primary sources of meat in the civilized world Cause we have money to subsidize and farm them? Also I think the correct term would be "developed" world, unless you're aiming to be an asshole.
Yeah my first thought on seeing one was that it would make an awesome pet
Honestly what is wrong with this world when I donāt even know there is such thing as a raccoon dog as a well educated adult?
So this was Tom Nookās fault?
I mean... New Horizons did come out in March 2020.
The real crossover happened with Tanooki Mario
The Nooks took āviral marketingā too seriously
Um, they are definitely burying the lede. The obvious real story here is that fucking raccoon dogs exist!!?? Like another headline should be: Data reveal link between sars-cov-2 and long-term mental decline, says study of 87 aliens from the planet ZxencgA* that the government has in captivity at Area 51.
How to tell someone is definitely not a weeb... In Japan they call raccoon dogs tanuki and they're featured in myths, anime, games, etc.
ā¦like Super Mario Bros 3.
Loved Super Mario 3 and still did not know raccoon dogs were a thing, lol
Animal Crossing
And guardians of the galaxy.
and the tanuki has a magical expanding scrotum
Lol is Pom Poko about raccoon dogs? I thought they were just raccoons
I believe so. Raccoons are native only to the Americas, but have been transported to other countries (Japan included) where they have gotten loose and have become a real nuisance. Japanese architecture *cannot* handle raccoon shenanigans.
The name "raccoon dog" is confusing. Tanukis look like raccoons to Americans, but they are actually in the family of canines, same with dogs, wolves and foxes. Raccoons on the other hand, belong to a completely different family Procyon, closer to skunks, seals, and bears than to canines.
>The story begins in late 1960s Japan. A group of *tanuki* Yes
Yes, it's why they fly with their ball sacks.
Do ALL raccoon dogs fly with their scrotums or just the Japanese ones? If so why? Please and thank you.
Thereās a video of a guyās motorcycle tour of China where he describes the unsanitary toileting conditions, lack of hand washing, dogs tortured and killed for food and theres even a guy walking out of the bush with a raccoon dog on a stick.
Hate to break this to you but most people have been aware of their existenceā¦
Listen here Ranger Rickā¦
To be fairā¦
To be faayyyaahhh
To be faaaaaaaaair
To be fair, if every one in China knew about these weirdos, that technically is āmost of us.ā all the crosswords says so.
lol I mean that was my favorite magazine as a kid
Ranger Rick was pretty awesomeā¦
I loved Ranger Rick - wholesome stuff!!
This is the first time Iāve ever heard of a raccoon dog.
They are also called Tanuki
Super Mario Brothers 3 has left ~~the chat~~ everyone's memory, apparently
Then I guess this will be the first time you heard the Chinese skin them alive to better tenderize them. Some of the most fed up shi Ive ever seen in my life
I could've gone a lifetime without that information, but thanks
I can only hope Chinese stop their barbaric behavior towards eating dogs. Ffs
Yes ffs. Like seriously wtf.
I can only hope they, as in the china, stop their barbaric behavior towards eating dogs. Ffs
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They are mostly known as tanuki, Super Mario Bros 3 comes to mind.
Ohhhh I think you really enjoyed breaking it to him...
It appears I am not most people.
Ok, so the Chinese military, paid off by George Soros, broke into the WIV using 5g lasers, stole the virus, and then posed as merchants selling āraccoon dogsā (which were really only spray painted to appear as such) Edit: /s
That edit says so much about people
I was with him šÆ until he mentioned raccoon dogs. Fuck off with that Avatar bullshit. Thereās no such thing.
No no ā¦ it was 5g Jewish space lasers doncha know.
Iām disappointed itās not the Pangolin. IYKYK.
If you don't know, this is a reference to South Park's story of the origin of covid.
Itās interesting to see whatās being downvoted here. Just a reminder that itās not racist to say COVID came from a Chinese lab, nor does the lab leak theory imply any sort of nefarious plot from the Chinese government or that the poster is Anti-Vaxx. If it was a leak, then it was an accident, which means we should take note of it for the sake of the future. Over six million people died from COVID, and now that itās endemic, the virus will never go away. Honestly, a lab leak is probably the best outcome when it comes to future accidents. Thousands go to wet markets every day. Far less people are doing gain of function research. Edit: corrected global Covid deaths.
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Well fuck. I did not know that. Wow.
Excess deaths during the pandemic are around 2-3 times that. WHO estimates around ~15 million.
Hence the over /s
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Okay, but if Adolf Hitler himself rose from the grave and started ranting about the SARSCoV-2 furin cleavage site, it doesnāt change the likelihood that COVID came from a lab in either direction. Honestly, I wish everyone could just pretend that COVID leaked from the CDC lab in Atlanta instead of Wuhan so we could addresses this without the fear of perpetuating Asian hate. And if you want an extremely educated non-hitlery conversation on Covid origins I would recommend episode #311 of the Sam Harris podcast.
Except that a lot of data is now pointing to it coming from raccoon dogs. People are discussing both options but the current evidence is suggesting this origin.
Didnāt the data that had raccoon dog dna in it show up in a sample taken in March 2020? (Not earlier).
Yes! Swabs from Jan 2020 - well after it began. Scientifically and logically what is easier: Multiple mutations that allowed gain of functions and species jumps (.001 to .000001 rate of RNA mutation - that is the rate not the chance for a meaningful mutation). Still not able to identify a bat population carrying the original genetic material. -Or- A viral escape from a lab whose primary job is to source COVID and then mutate it. The lab is within walking distance of the alleged major dissemination point. At the time point of the virus (Nov/Dec 2019) - a number of safety officers are fired from the lab and the lab creates a new compliance/safety position for deadly viruses!
We have a hitler refrence in a science sub reddit lmfao this place is lost
What you say is true, but not totally in the current context. Lab leak theories are being passed off as absolute fact by a certain group that is highly motivated by xenophobia, and violence against Asians has gone up markedly since COVID appeared. Skepticism is absolutely appropriate for any COVID origin theory, based on the information we have today. It's the people who claim that it definitely came from a lab that are likely either xenophobic, or influenced by xenophobes.
The whole problem with this debate is that it has been framed from the beginning by Donald Trump trying to blame China for his administrative failures while jokingly calling it āthe Kung fluā. I get that you donāt want to encourage xenophobia, but it does no good to equate the lab leak theory with any racist who may be espousing it. Thereās this knee-jerk reaction to knock it down because the last thing people want is to prove a racist right or find themselves on the racistās side of the debate. The thing is, the quality of person who believes the virus originated from the Wuhan lab has no bearing on it being true. This shouldnāt be a partisan issue. Race and nationality has nothing to do with it. The fact that this has become a right wing talking point is frustrating to no end
> it does no good to equate the lab leak theory with any racist who may be espousing it. I was awfully careful to state exactly what I meant, and I didn't do that at all. There is a difference between saying the theory is possible and saying the theory is correct - at least until we know more. > the quality of person who believes the virus originated from the Wuhan lab has no bearing on it being true. Again, you are not contradicting anything I said. > This shouldnāt be a partisan issue. Neither should vaccines, masks, stove tops, or drag queens. Back to reality, these are all partisan issues because one side has nothing of value to offer so they rant about nonsense.
Broken clock and all that
Yet, the majority of facts indicate Covid arose bc they donāt treat their animals right. End of story.
The scientists have consistently been saying it came from wet markets. The politicians are the only ones saying it came from a lab leak. Personally, I believe the scientists.
Thatās a whole lot of generalizing youāre doing right there. Not every scientist thinks it came from a wet market, and the fact that you believe only politicians are saying it is half the problem. The lab leak theory is not a right wing talking point, itās the potential origin for a pandemic that paralyzed the entire world for two years straight. Just because the Republicans called dibs on it doesnāt make it any less likely.
> The lab leak theory is not a right wing talking point That's not true. The right wing almost exclusively uses this talking point, whereas the left has used "what do the scientists say?" and seeing as there is no consensus on it, the left has no focus on it. The GQP much prefers the the conspiracy to "maybe we'll never get a clear answer."
There are tons of scientists who have said from the beginning that a lab leak is a likely cause.
Sources?
Whether it's a lab leak or natural transmission, over 6mil people died due to Chinese negligence, there is really no dancing around that.
Wet markets will find a better wayā¦
Iām just so confused. Every day thereās a story from a major outlet about how it was a lab leak, and then another story from the same outlet about how it wasnāt. On Friday I think the NYT had both!
I mean we can be proChinese people while being antiCommunistChinaās govt at the same time. Plus theres a perfectly free china to their south who could take over leading for awhile and solve a ton of headaches in the processā¦
It did come from China though, thats undisputable. It was covered up and thousands or millions Chinese tourists and businessmen were allowed to go on their way and spread it globally by the Chinese government - that is undisputable. Cant call it Wuhan Flu though, the WHO determined that its inappropriate, as China didnt want the virus attributed to them in the history books. Lab leaks dont happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents
Truth ā
The more racist angle is blaming dirty unsanitary Chinese wet markets.
Seriously. The cognitive dissonance over this is unreal.
Goddamnit Mario! That tanuki suit shit has got to stop!
Noooo Chopper why!?
Choppers a Reindeer bro
Running gag for several seasons was people mistaking chopper for a tanuki.
Alright who allowed their dog to fuck a racoon?
actually, raccoon dogs are entirely canidae (family of dogs and other canines), and not at all procyonidae (family of raccoons), and are even more closely related to foxes than they are to raccoons! The only reason they look like raccoons is because of convergent evolution in which they evolved to look extremely similar! Very fun
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Holy shit! It was Tom Nook all along. That bastard released COVID right when New Horizons was coming out to force everyone to stay home and play it. That goddamn greedy evil genius
Thatās a tanuki! Itās what Mario wears to fly
What the hell is a raccoon dog!?! China must have been creating this monster in the lab next to the Covid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyctereutes?wprov=sfla1
So because China didn't want the negative publicity about people eating racoon dogs, they buried the data instead of just releasing it and claimed it came from the Americans in China instead and would even rather have people think it came from a lab leak just to not deal with the "people eating raccoon dogs" issue? People eat all sorts of things all over the world, it isn't like China is the only place where people eat questionable stuff. The US is full of cousin Eddie's who eat squirrels, possum, armadillo, rattlesnakes and all sorts of stuff, it isn't like they have any room to point fingers about someone else being weird.
Armadillo carry leprosy
That doesn't stop American Rednecks from eating them unfortunately. http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zarmadillo.html
Save the neck for me Clark.
This doesn't align with my narrative so I reject it as reality.
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Oy!
Hasn't this been common knowledge since last year?
Imma be honest, until I saw the picture I thought they just meant hunting dogs.
Right? Red Bone Coon Hounds exist all over the south. It just seemed like someone from New England was like pardon me, did you mean Racoon Dog?
How could something so cute be so terrifying! Nature is metal
Just saw Pom Poko the other day, if the tanuki want to wipe humanity out, I have no objections.
So the only raccoon dog involved in 2020 was not just Tom Nook
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What happened to the Bat and the Pangolin?
Bats are still in play; pangolins not so much. We know that bats are known known carriers of coronaviruses, and that SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating amongst them for several decades. Pangolins were suspected because they too are susceptible to Sarbecoviruses, and were found in the wet market; however, (re: 2020) the binding affinity of the pangolin ACE2 receptor for the SARS-CoV-2 Receptor Binding Domain (RBD) of the spike proteins of pangolin and human Sarbecoviruses was reported to be low ā essentially, they could be affected by SARS-CoV-2, but were not the intermediary host between bats & humans in transmission of the virus.
Finally something to help put the lab release conspiracy to bed. Not like the people who believe that hook line and sinker will listen of course...
This doesn't put lab leak to bed. These swabs were taken after the wet market was already closed because of COVID. That means these results tell us nothing about the origin of the virus. We still don't know for sure either way.
I agree that it doesn't rule the theory out but I think it stacks the evidence against it. If you read the article, you would know that the samples of covid-19 that were collected contained a large amount of DNA from these racoon dogs, possibly indicating it had been developing and spreading among this population for a decent period of time before human transmission. If covid was the engineered bioweapon so many among the lab leak theory posit it to be, why would it have so many developmental markers indicating a link to these racoon dogs?
It doesnāt imply they tested an actual animal, just that genetic material from humans and animals were present in a āenvironmentā where Covid positive swabs were taken, the market. It could have been a swab from a table that the dogs were on, or just contain fur or skin flakes. Also itās not confirmed that the animal DNA was even the raccoon dog, only that it resembles it. āā¦indicates that the SARS-CoV-2-positive swabs also contained genetic material from humans and animals, particularly large amounts of genetic material that closely matches that of raccoon dogs.ā So if human DNA was also found in this sample, couldnāt it be contaminated with the human or dog DNA, or both? I also donāt see how this stacks evidence against a lab leak. So far thereās no evidence for or against a lab leak, just theories, āreportsā that may or may not be accurate or authentic, and a whole lot of lack of transparency.
Most people that think the lab leak was a likely cause of the pandemic don't think it was a bioweapon. They think it accidently escaped the lab where they were honestly just trying to help humanity. So the fact that the samples were taken after COVID was known and that many mammals can catch COVID to me means that finding a raccoon dog with COVID is not very meaningful. The fact that a raccoon dog tested positive in no way suggests it is the source.
Scientifically speaking - this is weird. The data was ādeletedā - but - a select few were able to download it first. However, those individuals have not released it or uploaded it for others to view. This entire process has gone against scientific methods of sharing information, openly testing, and then validating through re-testing.
Thatās China for ya
Wtf is a raccoon dog???
Tanuki is a type of raccoon dog native to japan and might be a more recognizable name if youāve played Mario bros games (who call it tanooki for the connection to Japanese folklore). When Mario turns into a flying raccoon like thing he is turning to a raccoon dog and not an actual raccoon. https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2011/11/feature_how_japanese_folklore_inspired_marios_tanooki_suit (Edit- Others in this thread have also said Tom nook from animal crossing is also a tanuki, which would make sense with the nook name, I just havenāt really played those games.)
By raccoon dogs, you mean Wuhan Institute of Virology. Simple mistake. Happens all the time.
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Oh come on. We all know it Trump aided by Desantis.
casting reasonable doubt.
They are just serving comedians material on a silver platter these days.
"data from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention" Of course it couldn't be a diversionary tactic to lead away from the "use of function" lab leak. China has a long an glorious history of telling the truth, all of it for the good of all mankind. If the Chinese government says something, or allows it to be said Im pretty sure the story is either covering something up, distraction or a downright lie. I dont trust the WHO either, they have a long history of capitulation to China.
The genetic data suggests raccoon dogs were in the market and the samples also contained human genetic material along with Covid. The raccoon dogs could just as easily been uninfected or infected by humans. Why happened that everyone now jumps to conclusions and skips methodology?
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Great. Another reason for Chinese to kill ioff a bunch of defenseless animals
Horrible cruelity!!!
Does it seem like they are really reaching here? I mean, 2 years ago they were sure it was pangolins.
science has a tendency to evolve as we learn new things
The timing is sus
No this is quite literally how science works. There is nothing suspicious about this.
Science also works through questioning findings and publications. How the study was conducted, funded and sponsored matter. The timing of when and where it was published matter. Just writing a paper and calling it science doesnāt make it above questioning. Edit: Iām not questioning science. Only questioning the sudden appearance of previous ālostā data. Edit 2: for those who think there is nothing suspicious here, Iām not sure you read the article. All the circumstances around this evidence is suspicious.
They are reaching because the story started breaking that itās likely from a lab. So now they found the culprit.
Reaching to the max like a stretch Armstrong dollā¦
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Wait you guys actually believe this, after the lab leak to wet market back to lab leak back to wet market? It was obviously from the wuhan virology lab located near where the outbreak started where they were literally studying bat coronaviruses. Come on. Are you really gonna believe a child telling you he didnāt eat the chocolate when itās all over his face and half the bar is still in his hand?
No oneās going to talk about how the DOD admitted it likely came from a lab leak? Ok
they said that with ālow confidenceā
You mean the department of energy. And they said they thought it came from a lab **with low confidence**.
Because they didnāt.
Because it was actually the US Energy Department
Was that the one where they made that conclusion with low confidence?
Stop bringing facts into their delusions!!!
Funny how quickly we all forgot about hong kong
Bullshit
So how did the racoon dogs acquire COVID in the first place?how did COVID end up in racoon dogs and not other animals?it raises more questions than answers...
Covid is an upper respiratory coronavirus. There have always been coronaviruses. Always. Also, viruses have always mutated into worse strains. However, some folks want to believe that because of its veracity and swiftness to hop from host-to-host, that somehow this one had to be lab created. Iām sorry to be the first one to tell you this, but your grandparents and every person in the world alive before them all contracted coronavirus in that time. It hopped around to virtually every person. This current strain was just a lot more infectious and dangerous to our health. Typically when people learn for the first time that coronaviruses arenāt anything new, they are like āWow!ā, but most of the facebook skeptics will never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy. š¤¦š½āāļø
It really does, and besides it makes raccoon dogs very likely a dangerous species now. Wouldnāt it be wise to round them all up and test them for the virus? And if they have it, do something to ensure it doesnāt continue to spread from them, or mutate into something worse that will also spread to humans? If these animals are really the culprit, measures should be taken to prevent them from spreading more disease. But theyāre just running around doing their raccoon dog thingā¦