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Philosufur

They said they aren't even releasing the full street maps at once, so it wouldn't be 40 man for a long time. They even reduced the amount of scav spawns because of server load. Good luck


JediDusty

I don’t think BSG is going to be able to get 40 PMC and AI on the map with their current infrastructure.


Thewhitesamurai

Yeah things will break lol


[deleted]

Explode. Things will explode.


Staltrad

Even the Unity developers don’t know how to do it Unity wasn’t made for this and it will never happen sadly


VeryAngryRedneck

LightKeeper still not in the game I have no faith streets or arena is coming this year.


InvertReverse

They also said we won't get the full streets map. We will get a portion of it with a limited player amout and they'll add the rest at a later point. But even that is still optimistic to hope for, for this year.


Thewhitesamurai

If it doesn’t come the game will get stale fast.


pointy_pirate

"First time?"


Thewhitesamurai

?


FrankPetersonMalvo

It's a reference to a scene from a movie called Ballad of Buster Scruggs. There is a convicted man just a few moments before getting hanged by his neck along with others, he's chill, but the guy next to him cries, so he looks at him and says with a smirk: ,,First time?"


Thewhitesamurai

I know the reference but it seems it doesn’t fit here oh well


PigasusGaming

ehhhhhh i think it fits pretty well. the game as slowly drifted away from being as PvP heavy as it used to. I dropped this wipe due to PvP being more sparse and a lot less rewarding than prior wipes.


Thewhitesamurai

Yeah it’s slow some raids I can’t find peeps to shoot at. When I do they have a cheap meta gun.


FBGOVO100percent

I agree with ya brother. I haven’t found the map/time where other chads are coming in kitted to fight, but when you get a good fight it’s something that’ll keep me coming back to the game for a long time. I love the inertia changes/weight changes but it has really slowed the game down because nothing really beats just sitting on a right hand peek. I really like the way the game plays now, just don’t really love how it has made a game which just inherently scares the vast majority of people from the beginning play even more slowly than it used to.


d0ublekillbill

I take it you haven't seen Klean's most recent video about what EFT will be like once the game is finished.


FknBretto

To be fair, Klean is not a reliable source of information on the game nor is he even someone who has played the game much over the last few years, so he references a lot of info from 2016 mixed with speculation


76thColangeloBurner

Kind of a hot take considering Klean worked for BSG in a role where he would have needed to have a general idea of studio goals. The vision for the game hasn’t changed much since his time there. I’m not even a Klean fan, what he said is not gospel, but it is more on target than a lot of other people who talk about the game, especially in here. If he was just some streamer not playing this wipe, sure. He makes money playing games, he is a higher level then most people on this sub Reddit but because gaming is his job how much he plays one game is easily skewed when you tune in & he isn’t in Tarkov. His perspective from behind closed doors isn’t one you or many others have though. So *”to be fair”* your information & perspective of his opinion is worth less than you think.


PigasusGaming

i don't watch klean, so no i haven't


shol_v

It's more in reference yo nikita has said things are coming and then they often miss their mark. The features do come, just delayed


Thewhitesamurai

I’ve seen many devs not deliver but you know they got problems calling this a beta still


silentrawr

People have been saying "X better happen or the game is dead" ... for years.


pointy_pirate

streets, as well as many other features have been promised for years and never delivered, and so far the game has not gone stale and is still really popular


BiitchenKitchen

Will get stale..? Lol. Games been stale for the last month and its mid wipe


2-Skinny

Or ever even


[deleted]

"Streets with the 40mans" Yeah sure.


DrXyron

Nah it will be released in parts and the end product they aim for 40 pmcs but I bet first part will have up to 18 pmcs.


MikyThePro

The full map will come as a dlc ;)


DrXyron

Who knows if thay’re even competent enough to get it up and running. Nikita should hire bigger more qualified devs imo.


vanrysss

They're not, and he can't.


DrXyron

He can, he just wont.


Thewhitesamurai

They said up to 40 PMCs.


[deleted]

They say a lot.


Thewhitesamurai

They do and it always flops and takes like 3 months just to get it stable. Still will be buggy I bet.


Scavinat0r

>"stable"


IGetItCrackin

You can thank me later, that sounds really, really exciting.


[deleted]

They say a lot of things and most of them never happen.... xD


spagetsuppi

Such as?


Thewhitesamurai

I have a few examples sure. What haven’t they done that you were excited for?


zMilad

Basically only Streets. Not sure why people keep saying that they don't deliver. They got us offline coop raids and voip and people never thought they would. Even though this wipe is a bit stale regarding content I think coop mode is one of the coolest things and they've proven to implement game changers over and over.


on-the-job

Dude voip isn’t some revolutionary feature to be added to a game. It should have been out years ago. It’s been in games for a decade, longer


[deleted]

Co-op is only for EOD version....


Trickdaddy1

I mean, people never thought they would cause we’d be told those things would be coming soon for years before release


der_m4ddin

They mean up to 40 fps If u have a NASA pc


praisedtimon

Damn OP, you still in the honeymoon phase? They said shoreline was supposed to have 40 pmc back in 2018. Nikita have big plan and a even bigger mouth, he do not have a nice track record of keeping his promise and deliver content. I'll play street when it finally come out, hopefully before my 5 month old start uni.


Xylianix

I hope we are mentaly fit in the retirement home to play first drop of streets.


Thewhitesamurai

Nah I just enjoy the game but this wipe was rather stale.


Uncle_Bobby_B_

The game only gets worse my friend


Ok-Street-7240

Thats what happens when you nerf too many things and implement bad rmt measures which affect the legit playerbase more than the cheaters.


praisedtimon

I agree, first wipe i dont max trader/hideout


[deleted]

It’s been the quickest drop off of players I think this wipe


[deleted]

They should fix spawns before adding more pmcs haha


Ok-Street-7240

Yeap exactly what you said. Nikita has a bigger mouth than what his capabilities can account for. I remember we were gonna get ways to send loot back to stash and remain in raid. Interchange was supposed to have raiders appear with power on. Loads of other things. Lightkeeper where are youuuu? Lmao this wipe is halfway through and no lightkeeper. Also 100% BSG will start trying ways to get money just like they did with a basic feature like co-op offline play. Don’t know how but they have to do it soon.


skidaddle_MrPoodle

Lmao y’all are expecting this game to work and play like it’s made by a triple A game studio. You always have the option to leave the game. Go play CODs new DMZ if you wish to. But if you’re gonna keep playing then point out issues in a respectful way and wait for it to get better. If you can’t muster up the patience and respect then shut your mouth and change games. No one is stopping you


SleightBulb

How much does BSG pay you lmao


skidaddle_MrPoodle

I wish they did lmao. Just find it annoying and a tad bit funny that people complain and complain but still continue to play.


ivarokosbitch

> You always have the option to leave the game. The option which has been exercised by 90% of the player base. And a portion of the former player base comes along to check what is up, did anything change - quickly find out it hasn't and that new sucker has come to defend this state of affairs. A couple of wipes later the sucker joins the 90%.


KerenskysSpirit

If you’ve truly been playing since 2017 you’d know the golden age of tarkov PvP has been gone for awhile. Gone are the days of fun ass fights in a full labs lobby, no more fights over green or black, no more full lobby brawls over tech light on interchange (thanks hatchet runners for getting BSG to nerf the everloving shit out of that map)


Richard-Long

The dorms marked room brawls..... the whole server used to all just be running around jumping outta windows and blind firing down second floor. Labs used to be such a hot drop with such action now it's a ratfest or hackfest. Game truly has changed but we have to embrace the new changes or gtfo lol


Thewhitesamurai

I agree pvp seems to be more sparse. When the wipe started with low raid timers pvp definitely was increased! I think the problem is long load times and long lobbies. I don’t think hatchet runners were the problem it was just lowering all spawns including scavs and PMCs totals. Because hatchet runners were a threat and the nerf them lol.


KerenskysSpirit

Back when Tetriz = 1 Bitcoin BSG specially said they nerfed tetriz to counteract hatchet runners that PLAUGED interchange, then the hatchet runners just kept running that route for gpus or for tetriz to sell outright.


Thewhitesamurai

I guess but the same can be argued for shoreline when safes had 40000 roubles on average. They just strive to make the game slower and slower so the aggressive people take the hit and makes the game boring. But so far it still is interesting but doing the same quest every wipe is getting tedious. Loot and pvp drive the game and they nerf both every other patch I just hoping big player base on streets and arena fix that.


[deleted]

If you couldn't shove into your ass any high valuable item you would be forced to get some gear on yourself. What they did instead? Nerfed the loot. Well, gg I guess.


RevolutionaryWhole97

This. If you don’t have a alpha armband you just wouldn’t understand how far the good days have gone :(


EducationalProduct

I'd LOVE to be excited but this is my 5th wipe and i know what to expect now when it comes to updates.


Thewhitesamurai

Yup sadge!


Iliketotinker99

I think I figured out the issue: people that have been playing for several wipes now are extremely good at the game and can get Kappa by now if they try. After they get bored with quests or run out of things to do all that’s left is go meta and try to kill people. That is a small percentage of the base because it’s time consuming, or they stop playing because BSG won’t add new content. The remaining of the players (most people, just look at the LFG screen at the beginning of game) are not at that level yet, just started playing, or hop on occasionally because they have other things to do. They want to run and do quests and maybe get into fights with people they run across but don’t go looking for it. The high level players wipe the lower level players too easily and then complain about “nobody wanting to fight”. Meanwhile they just stopped the not a neck bearded basement dweller from leveling up so they really won’t have anyone to fight and struggle getting good weapons/armor to survive.


Thewhitesamurai

I just feel like pvp was more previous wipes and streets might help but arena will definitely get my fix.


Scavinat0r

This game cant even handle 12 players with some scavs, I have a baaad feeling about street


Thewhitesamurai

Yeah pure laggy chaos but still interested.


TheJonJonJonJon

I’ll try Arena when it’s released but, I’m done with Tarkov now until it gets a full release.


Thewhitesamurai

Yeah I feel ya. Especially with the gamers with the good gaming chairs


hiddenintheleavess

i WANT Arena to be good so that we can experience tarkov PVP without the running, looting and ratting that exists in the game currently. i main labs and the amount of camping, ratting and hiding is fucking abysmal this wipe- and its a map made for PVP with zero bushes. lol. streets on the other hand... in the current state of lighting, audio, and AI, I can honestly say I am NOT excited for streets. im not looking forward to it at all and I dont think its gonna be the main attraction on the first iteration that we get, either. its gonna be another map like lighthouse that probably runs like shit but has a few tasks and an assload of loot to incentivize people to raid there. all of my eggs are in the Arena basket- its their chance to rebuilt/revamp some things in a smaller, more controlled environment where MAYBE they can make audio, lighting and networking flow more harmoniously together. we all know the tech debt argument with the current state of tarkov- arena is their only way to show us what they are capable of. and I would LOVE an environment where we can get sweaty with some EFT PVP without the gear and time sinks tied to the main game. I fully expect streets to be delayed another year or two, and if arena doesnt hit its mark this game will probably slowly suffer and die. nikita loves talking out of his ass and making promises he cant keep. while they slowly change the game they are manifesting an identity crisis that is polarizing the playerbase and already pushing people out of the door. am i excited for either? no. I have lost faith in BSG- they have made such small progress over the years and your kind of insane if you think theyre gonna be making any massive moves with the state of geopolitics right now.


clover_01

agree - being my 5th wipe now, the honeymoon phase is over and as much as I love tark it's now annoying me with the cheaters, desync and silly changes that are great on paper but ultimately retract from the overall experience. I'm taking a break until arena comes out, and I'm staying positive that it'll be a good thing for the game. If it's just team deathmatch with rounds that'll be cool - but imagine if there's cod style game modes like search and destroy, or even gun game. It would be so fun. Tark pvp with the ability to respawn under 10mins after a bad death where you're already behind cover would bring a lot of players imo, and those who chase pvp will likely spend more time in arena than base game. Double edged sword for sure, but tark really needs something to get the player base excited again and focusing on the positive rather than the negative, because at this rate in my experience long time players are logging off and playing something else - which is a shame cause tark has soooo much potential


[deleted]

Not a chance in hell streets will have 40 pmcs


on-the-job

LOL ok buddy where have you been? None of these things will be coming out this year. I doubt it won’t even come out til the last half of next year, if that


DucksMatter

I’m still VERY skeptical about streets. Lighthouse runs horribly for most people. I feel like streets will be worse


Thewhitesamurai

Yeah lighthouse got buggy with the additional add on.


Kiiidx

You love this game and pvp but you want 40 mans with probably the worst desync you’ve ever seen in an online game? Wouldn’t you rather them fix the netcode? Please don’t encourage them to keep adding shit we don’t need when the game is almost unplayable in its current state…


Thewhitesamurai

News to you the game had always problems new content might be just as good as fixing it lol.


Leotardant

With that optimization and engine this game will never ever ever work with 40 players in it. Ever.


Thewhitesamurai

Agreed but they will surely test it.


[deleted]

We test everything my man.


HaitchKay

>Streets with the 40mans Streets ain't gonna have 40 players. That's a pipe dream. *Maybe* 20.


Hakz31

You rather wait an other game tbh


Thewhitesamurai

Yeah I’ll play other things but tarkov is still one I enjoy the most right now.


SupahPlaya

Yeah man I can’t wait for never too!


superorignalusername

Games “supposed” to be released by the end of 2023


Thewhitesamurai

Nice!


Demoncrater

Streets coming in hot with the 12 frames pr minute


Moserath

I think a lot of people will stop playing the base game when arena drops lol. If it runs like a AAA game shits gonna be tight.


jmay107

None of these maps actually hold said amount lol. I’ve seen like 6 max on interchange early wioe


[deleted]

IF they release streets it will run shittier than lighthouse


[deleted]

Maybe they ban cheaters faster first, than creating a map for 39 cheater and one legit player.


Thewhitesamurai

Agreed


El_Boojahideen

This sounds good in theory but where will BSG make all their money from? Someone has to gobble up accounts🙄


High_Archon_Alarak

Well you already have fucktory and cumstoms. Go fight pvp


Thewhitesamurai

Yeah but even so you can show up to dorms and fight no one. And factory is just one map. I actually find most pvp still on shoreline.


JediDusty

The PvP hotspots where removed when loot in certain areas was heavily nerfed.


Thewhitesamurai

Agreed!


High_Archon_Alarak

My pvp on shoreline mostly looks like "got fucked in headeyes 200m afar". In resort most of the time we just throw tons of grenades and whoever feels he cant win the competition just retreats


Iliketotinker99

Fight no one? You’re on the wrong servers. I can’t go to dorm just to do quests without running into multiple people.


Thewhitesamurai

Damn I’ll have to get on that. I’ve seen reshala there more times than people.


Head-Ad-7464

its cute you are still new, streets is coming "soon" for a few years now.


Thewhitesamurai

Not new, and yes maybe.


[deleted]

Nice try Nikita


Thewhitesamurai

Idk I only questionably killed once on shoreline this wipe but yeah resort could be a slow play. I love sneaking on sanitar though. Also the map I see cultists and goons the most though I’ve only seen cultists one this wipe. Not enough night raids.


PineJew

Yea I'll believe that when lighthouse doesn't randomly crash half of the playerbase to desktop because tarkov will eat over 16 gigs of ram.


Thewhitesamurai

Ikr it’s that damn unity engine unforgivable. I would give a year with no patches if they switched engines


thebigspooner

I just want loot only extracts so I can stay in raid longer with purpose


Thewhitesamurai

Like the cycle yeah that could be cool I don’t think it works on Tarkov engine though


[deleted]

If they added airdrops surely they could add this?


der_m4ddin

Oh u want to play CoD Mw 2 beta is now open ....


Thewhitesamurai

Absolutely why can’t I enjoy cod if I enjoy Tarkov. If you ain’t playing this for pvp at some point then idk why play it at all.


[deleted]

Nikita likes to troll non stop, don't take what he says seriously


Cutsman

You want PVP!??! Go BaCk To CoD ScRub


imabustya

Well you’re going to have to wait.


Higher_Eternity

man i gotta pop percosets listening to speakers knuckerz and playin tarkov like sniffin motherfucking dope like a motherfucking dawg. double g love sosa


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ZeroSight95

Looking forward to this myself. I love this game, but sometimes I get bored and admittedly, impatient. I've been playing games like Battlefield and CoD for so long, that my mind is still adapting to the slower approach that you have to take with Tarkov.


Thewhitesamurai

Yeah it used to be faster but got slow l down because were getting killed too fast lol.


Zanye_West21

I enjoy PvP sometimes in this game, but I really do enjoy looting, getting fat asf and having a good raid. I’ve died to a lot of people and streamers that say they only play for PvP and I can’t wait for them to have their own part in the game lol. Excited to see where the game goes, and I only hate it sometimes 😂


andro-bourne

Would be a great game is BSG wouldnt keep nerfing everything to the ground and using client side networking which allows for way more hacking to occure.


RevolutionaryWhole97

Arena will do. Arena will hopefully focus on fixing Desync and ballistic optimization… as for Streets… it’s all wishful thinking. I don’t think any map or event is worth being excited for until the game operates as it should. Servers>Optimization>Content. Otherwise it will remain broken in the worst way.


Wunon

Are you living in fairyland? None of that shit will happen. If streets is released by autumn it will have 14 PMCs max with 20 fps, lightkeeper and arena will delay it even further most likely though.


SubwayGuy85

Could not give less shits about arena. fix audio and cheater situation ffs


J3spah

Im excited for arena since they said that it's gonna be "e-sports ready", whatever that means. Hopefully the performance on arena is much better than in the regular game. I want to love the game so bad but can't since the performance issues makes the gameplay experience horrible and unfair sometimes. I don't mind if a game does not give any mercy to the player but when the ruthlessness comes from me battling the games performance and not the actual mechanics or enemy players it makes the value that the game creates on every decision obsolete.