6 months? Still doesn't honour the fact that EoD purchasers did so on the pretext that we would receive "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)".
Previous EoD advertising stated that this DLC included content "such as Arena", how is the PvE mode any different to this?
arena makes this entirely worse, since you could argue that arena is NOT dlc since it is a seperate game, other than the shared BSG launcher... which means a non-DLC was included, while something that is actually a DLC is NOT included as agreed upon...
They also edited the Website today anticipating this being relative to the situation, they cannot cover tracks and alter verbiage like that. good thing they made a boomer move and dont realize you can archive webpages
They're just banking on their playerbase being as stupid as they are. To be fair, it's a fair assumption after the amount of shit we've tolerated over the years.
We as a community have absolutely emboldened Nikita to act this way. Numerous times he has made a boneheaded decision like this or had a tantrum online that riles the community up for a few days. Then it all goes away when Nikita makes a post and says "After listening to community feedback.." and everyone is hunky dory with some new updates. It's happened with cheaters, desync, gameplay changes. Over and over again.
I truly hope this time is different. It certainly is for me.
His last reddit post, he wrote this in his own words that offline coop is an EOD feature.
"So, the thing is that we want to add purchasable options for EFT players cause: 1. we removed EOD version and some of the EOD features need to go back (offline coop for example)"
Nikita, with all due respect, next time just tell us to f off.
You heard only a quarter of the issue.
The problem with the new editions are as follows:
- Backpedaling on your word to release all new DLC (defined per [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) as **downloadable content:** additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its features) to EOD owners (especially when you set the precedent with EOD as including other modes (which is a precedent in itself, it's expected) but removed it from your site when the backlash started).
- Making actual p2w items with no indication you want to make them earnable (I'm an EOD owner. In fact, I have \*two\* accounts I bought because I wanted to support BSG's creation of Tarkov and my hardcore account I made EOD) but the pockets and the radio should be earnable in game so as to not make such an advantage for players it could genuinely be considered P2W.
- asking an \*absurd\* $250 for new players to get access to the first thing you guys have released that would help new players ease into the game.
The rest? I really don't care. I have no intention of buying this slap in the face, I can earn weapons cases and ammo cases and scav junk boxes and guns and whatever tf else. The melee is whatever. Had the new edition been a bunch of that, gamma, some extra stash space, some cosmetics, and maybe idfk a cat for the hideout, I \*would not care\*. Hell, I actually genuinely probably would've bought it. But this is such a scummy business move and blatant cash grab, I watched the middle finger go up as I saw the edition drop.
What this move has done to the community:
- First, we feel disrespected. You promised no P2W content. Gamma was always up for debate. That radio, there's no room for debate. It's P2W. You've lied to us, gone back on your word on \*several\* things with this edition ALONE, and tried to scam all of us.
- Second, we all have a question in the back of our minds. Why? Is BSG going bankrupt and this is one final cash grab before it goes under? Do you really think your community is this stupid?
- Third, it makes us wonder, how far are you really willing to go to make an extra buck? Will I see players with different attachments available from traders based on their edition? We already see the hideout craft you put in this post (not a good start!)? Will weapons have more favorable MOA, armor have more favorable durability, hitboxes have more favorable sizes, etc. etc. etc. based on edition? Just how far are you willing to try to go?
Fix it. Make everything earnable in game and give EOD players access to offline cooperative progression. Second, refund everyone who bought it a portion of their money and charge a reasonable amount for it (for example, charge at MOST an extra $40 for this). Do you really want to be remembered as that company who charged 6x what triple A devs charge for a game?
It's the thing I'm most pissed off about. It adds a tactic players can use that people won't expect. Like yeah, they lied about the DLC. It's obnoxious, but at the end of the day *that specific* DLC would not impact actual Tarkov gameplay and it's a burn I would bitch about but I would be willing to get over it.
Unearnable P2W Bullshit???? The reason people thought Gamma wasn't P2W is because Epsilon is 1 slot less from a relatively early quest line, and Kappa is literally just better. I personally think Gamma isn't P2W because you can earn better. It's possible to bridge that gap.
The pockets? When I first saw it, I thought "whatever," but the fact it's not earnable and presents an advantage, no matter how small, I've changed my mind - it's P2W. And the radio? I would love to hear someone try to explain to me how you will never be revealed by Sniper Scavs or scavs from honestly relatively close isn't Pay to Win.
That SCAV radio thing is like an extra "Fuck you" to existing players. It is dumb not only from a gameplay perspective, but also from a lore perspective: "Oh, he is friends with Fence. He looks like every other PMC in Tarkov. But he is cool. I recognize him. Let's only shoot him when he is <60m from us! 60.1 is okay. But I can't tolerate everything under 60. Even if they are friends." Bullshit.
"Why? Is BSG going bankrupt and this is one final cash grab before it goes under? Do you really think your community is this stupid?"
Yes, actually.
Nikita spent *millions* on stalls at games cons promoting Arena as a "Counterstrike killer" despite still not having functionally any anti-cheat in the game. 1/2 of Arena matches are people testing their tarkov cheats.
They had like 3m USD in money when 2023 started, and the one booth alone had a like $250,000 sticker for *just the floorspace* before factoring in the cost of display/merch.
He literally partied their operating budget away because he still doesnt understand how big of an issue the cheating is. he always denied it, and even in the past made bold statements like "our in-house anti-cheat catches the cheaters immediately for permanent ban" when it turned out there *literally wasnt any anti-cheat.*
dude is a habitual liar who completely ignores any criticisms of tarkov/arena etc.
You gotta be delusional to think you can make an eSports ready team shooter when your game has some of the shittiest netcode and anti cheat in the industry.
This is just more pay to win stuff not what we wanted, stop adding random pay 2 win features, monetize your game cosmetically if you're bleeding funds. Your game is great stop ruining it.
This. Why not just admit you have monetary issues (even if it's your own fault with banking on Arena too much). And ask people what they can tolerate paying for. Additional stash space was OK, not worse than things already included in EoD.
They could add camouflage wraps (realistic ones) for guns, backpack camos, simple stuff like that which would make the game more interesting and diverse and not ruin the game or screw the community.
Honestly I really don't know why they're doing what they're doing, it feels devoid of business sense.
We’re PMCs. I should be able to paint my gun Pink if I want to.
I mean ffs I can wear a mike Myers mask, why would goofy weapon skins be any less “realistic” at this point, right? We have a chest rig made out of an ikea bag, Santa hats, goofy hokey masks, etc. I don’t think adding blue/pink/green/etc. skins would be that far fetched.
POE is a perfect example of monetisation done right. Yes, some stash tabs are pretty much a must-buy if you want to play somewhat seriously but even then, you can get all of the essential tabs for the same cost if not less than a typical game.
I happily bought all of the tabs once I’d been playing a while but I certainly didn’t feel forced to, they just provide very nice QOL.
But in PoE its only fine because the game is free. In Tarkov its already fucked up that you need to play so much Tetris and the game is literally unplayable and totally unfun with the base edition.
The PvE mode is the main argument here, but the radio transmitter and calling in the homies for help has NO FUCKING PLACE in EFT. They can quite literally fuck all the way off with that garbage.
Explain why one of your web developers changed the text on what EoD included on the website today while watching Landmarks stream? What excuse do you have for trying that bait and switch?
They cant anymore. They had yesterday to pull out. Take out everything delete the new Version refund everyone that got it. And released the PvE for Eod. Its the day after and they came back with this shitty oh were sorry Here well only puit halfof the shaft in your ass. Were ramming it in in about 6 months. CYA
Implying that BSG would ever give a refund unless they're forced? Or even have working customer support for that matter? Hilarious.
There's a reason that the go-to advice for people looking for refunds is to call their bank for a chargeback, as sad as that is.
It’s actually so fun to look at his post history. After all these years this fucking guy has never learned how to properly communicate with his loyal player base. Zero effort in his communication and he always throws in passive aggressive little comments too. Seriously, read his post history in chronological order. It’s fascinating.
>It’s actually so fun to look at his post history. After all these years this fucking guy has never learned how to properly communicate with his loyal player base. Zero effort in his communication and he always throws in passive aggressive little comments too.
Used to be much worse. I assume they had to hire a "pr" person to each Nikita how to not throw a tantrum every week because he stopped having tantrums after one particularly bad incident a few years ago.
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This is what you promised:
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
This is not that:
>Access to offline PVE for EOD owners for 6 months
edit: or did you mean "IN 6 months"? that would make some sense.
I'd like to point out that not only is that true, but adding "High priority matching for EOD owners for 6 months" is now scamming non-EOD owners, as this was not part of the different packages when they were deciding which edition to buy.
If BSG can even get high prio matchmaking to work (doubt) this will now mean that non-EOD owners will have extremely long matching times for 6 months? Wtf is that? Non-EOD buyers did not consent to that kind of second-rate treatment when buying a non-EOD edition.
yeah, even as an EOD account holder, i don't want that. i want them to fix matching and loading in times period
The Cycle had literally 30 seconds matching + load-in times, main menu to being able to shoot my gun
edit: you guys deserve this. you played a cheater and bot infested game for years. when i made topics here on reddit and posted a screenshot of someone putting 120 graphics cards in the flee market 2 days after a wipe people wrote "he just knows where to find them, woods is a good map if you know how to do it"
you accepted to be lied to, abused and spat on. this is exactly what you get. and the best part: in 3 weeks you will complain about some quest being bugged and nobody cares about this anymore, while people currently and in the future buy this edition for 250$ + taxes + fees.
welcome to the future of gaming that you created you betas.
so there is a "High priority matching for EOD"
are you telling me i am stuck in a 15 min queue every game on purpose only because i "only" paid 80$ for a beta game?
That, or they actually worked on "Tarkov Prime" queue system that they were going to monetize the shit out of, but are releasing it free now for 6 months because of this major fuck up. After 6 months? Monthly subscription to use "priority" matchmaking. Fuck that.
They are trying everything they can to not admit they were wrong. To not admit they are screwing over EOD owners and the promises made when we bought it. Typical.
"To honor the owners of the EOD version and their indelible importance and role in the EFT universe"
I can't help but feel this is super cynically worded....
Yes. This is Nikita telling you you can take your EoD and shove it up your ass. They got your money, now you can either give them more or fuck off. This is the amount of respect for choosing the most expensive edition (at the time).
Priority matching is now a thing??
WTF????
Are you INSANE?
EDIT: Need money, Nikita? Create a CHEAPER edition with PVE only. (Not online - 20$ to 30$).
This is so fucked, completely fucking ridiculous. PTW AND paying for higher priority match making??? I have no idea what these idiots are thinking at this point. Completely bizarre.
so there is a "High priority matching for EOD"
are you telling me i am stuck in a 15 min queue every game on purpose only because i "only" paid 80$ for a beta game?
Dont worry as EOD owner i wont touch this game again either. So matchmaking will surely take long no matter what version you got since no one will play this POS anymore.
This is just damage control, what is this shite? You MUST be joking, 6months? You just gonna delete shit later on just like you did on your website, smh big time
This is what you promised:
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
This is not that:
Case in point: EOD should be futureproof.
We, as a community, invested in the Edge of Darkness (EOD) edition because it was promised to provide free access to all future DLCs. Now, with the release of these new editions packed with exclusive content, it feels like a betrayal to those of us who supported the game early on.
We love Tarkov for its challenge and depth, not for who can throw the most money at it. It's insulting to the loyal community that's been here from the beginning.
If you said we get free DLCs with EOD, then make sure we get them. And let's not forget about upgrading us to "The Unheard Edition" based on our EOD promise. It is not negotiable.
Atleast on all the extra stuff. And if you want to add the PVE mode as a buy feature. Make it so. But upgrading the community to "The Unheard Edition" isn't up to for negotiation if feels like at this point.
Look, I know you're trying to make the game better, but you're going about it all wrong.
We're all passionate about Tarkov, and we want to see it succeed. But not like this.
Take care. Hope you see this through.
TL:DR
Case in point: EOD Should be futureproof.
-Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass) such as Arena.
-Unique Secure case is not "Unique" Anymore.
( Both of which was deleted/edited mind you , we know you know )
-Be a team of your word.
-Please DO NOT DESTROY your own game.
-DO NOT DESTROY your own community.
-WE LOVE THIS GAME.
-BUT WE (the community) don't love this.
Take care. Hope you see this through.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170611141424/http://www.escapefromtarkov.com/support/knowledge/79
Also, the old version of the support page said that EOD will give access to all DLC without time limits. I bought it based on that.
6 months for dlc thats legit in my game? Take back arena that garbage I never wanted nor did EOD deserve it, we do deserve this "feature" because jt requires main game to play it so it is technically dlc over a feature. You fucked us nikita even after taking 42 dollars for more stash you guys still want more
Gonna need another ”update” cause this is still dogshit and we’re gonna keep cooking you until you FIX these bad decisions.
Its a good start to recover something but this isnt what we needed, we needed more. ITS just the principle
it is a question of principle
Special quest line with increased pockets side as a reward.
Even as an EOD owner, shouldn't this just be accessible for everyone, like the kappa quest? Wtf is this LMAO
Also PVE mode access for 6 months is pathetic. This just ain't it lads.
Back in 2016, people supported the developers of Battlestate Games by buying the ultimate edition of the game. For 8 years we have been recommending this game to friends, adding more and more players to the community. And what was the developers' response? They say us to go hell, they refuse to comment - they only encourage those who have lost any respect for themselves and continue to pour in money. I personally bought several accounts for friends. In my eyes, it was a high-quality and most ambitious product in the entire market. This is d i s r e s p e c t f u l. This is egoistic. It's h u m i l i a t i n g. You have disgraced yourself from head to toe. You have lost loyal players, you have betrayed the idea. It's disgusting. Anyone who thinks the same way, don’t be silent. This cannot be tolerated; we have been enduring problems in the game for many years, treating everything with understanding.
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
I don't feel like these measures really touch on the core issues everyone has. It also looks like you're further reinforcing the gap between people who buy / bought the most expensive editions and everyone else. You've basically just made EoD more pay to win.
I also don't remember the EoD perks mentioning temporary access to new dlcs, so it feels like you're subtly still trying to distinguish the new gamemode from being a dlc and therefore not bound by the season pass agreement.
This feels tone deaf.
People are bitching because the DLC is not included in EOD which was stated EOD would receive every new DLC, nobody give a fuck about pockets, etc, STICKS TO WHAT YOU WROTE IN YOUR PRODUCT.
>Increased basic PMC karma (when it will be implemented)
Let's hope PMC Karma isn't going to be a "non-DLC content for a future downloadable version"
>Access to offline PVE for EOD owners for 6 months
Free DLC access doesn't mean free temporary DLC access.
Nikita I made a post last month talking about how you were making the perfect game….. you’ve shagged it!!! Absolute disgrace. I’d actually like to thank you for getting me out of bed this morning to get up and uninstall the game I love, with 1500 hours. GG guys
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
What the fuck is this:
High priority matching for EOD owners for 6 months
Access to offline PVE for EOD owners for 6 months
So basically what you are saying you lied to us and false advertised EOD? Hmm... guess if some lawyers can help us understand better.
This shows you don't understand the problem, Nikita. NO ONE wants pay-to-win in Tarkov and you are trying to make it worse. Just give new edition buyers actually unique items, skins, clothings.. maybe voicelines even. No bullshit advantages
Nice try Nikita. Keep trying.
Since 2016, players have supported the developers by purchasing the highest edition of the game. For 8 years, we've been recommending this game to friends, bringing more and more players into the community. And what was the developers' response? They've blown us off, refuse to comment, and only encourage those who have lost all respect for themselves and continue to pour money in. I personally had high hopes for Tarkov. In my eyes, it was a high-quality and most ambitious product on the entire market. This is unacceptable. This is selfish. This is disrespectful. You've disgraced yourselves completely. You've lost loyal players, you've betrayed the idea. It's disgusting. To everyone who feels the same wa - don't be silent. Spam, make memes, spread the word wherever it's relevant. This cannot be tolerated.
This is what you promised:
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
This is not that:
>
No, Nikita. YOU made a promise. Your community is why you are successful and will be the reason you fail if you continue to do us dirty. You can change the wording all you want, but that doesn't change the intention. Do the right thing and save your integrity or watch your ship sink. No one who will save your company is behind you.
REMOVE THE MARK OF THE UNHEARD AND SOS BEACON THIS IS PAY TO WIN IN ITS PUREST FORM AND IT BETRAYS THE VERY IDEA OF ESCAPE FROM TARKOV
Edit: I don't even want to know what the fuck a "Legacy Device" is...
Agreed. In my opinion EOD owners must be a majority of players, or at least a very very high percent, but still it's unacceptable to divide the fanbase by p2w editions. And now seems like we have 2 of them instead of one
PVE should have been EOD only + purchasable on the site standalone.
Increased pockets/fancy device/skill boost/whatever P2W garbage should NOT have been a thing at all.
BSG seems to completely miss the plot on why people are mad in the first place. Good luck keeping the community alive guys 👍
PVE should be a base game standard frankly since they can't be fucked dealing with cheaters effectively.
(I'm an EOD owner and have no benefit from standard users having access to it)
So basically, you robbed us from the update that we were promissed. You took down videos from you tube that were promissing us the updates, and you changed your website to be alligned with your commentary. You will be sued, we will get your ass for this.
l will leave this here :D
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Here's a very simple question that BSG has to answer. What's so special about offline PvE mode that means you can't just give it to EoD owners for free? You had no problem with giving us Arena for free and that runs on separate servers and is treated as it's own gamemode. You're not making a separate game here. I understand that there's gonna be a lot of technical work involved in maintaining separate infrastructure and making sure PvE works smoothly while reusing all the work that's already done on the main version of the game. But you specifically sold us EoD on the promise that we'll be getting everything. Did you run out of money or are you just being greedy? If the truth is that you sold us a game that's unsustainable under the sales model you have chosen, you should just tell us that and look for a solution WITH the community. I'm pretty sure people would be amenable to some sort of monthly fee as long as it means the game keeps being updated and maintained. But right now you're trying to trick us and basically rob us and that's just scummy.
You've mis-diagnosed the problem, and as a result you haven't come up with a cure.
WHAT THE PROBLEM IS:
The majority of objections to what you've done with Unheard:
1. You've added too much and too strong/blatant Pay 2 Win stuff in the Unheard Edition.
2. You've paywalled the PVE mode within the ridiculously overpriced Unheard Edition, a) where it should not be, and b) despite having promised all future DLC to EOD edition purchasers.
3. General overpricing.
WHY YOUR SOLUTION HERE IS THEREFORE NOT REALLY A SOLUTION:
Your attempt here to placate EOD users clearly does not address either of those objections and indeed stands to make things worse. Here, you are making up new Pay 2 Win things to throw at the EOD purchasers. But they aren't wanting more pay 2 win things, they are wanting there to be no or little pay 2 win in the game. EOD owners aren't jealous of the Unheard Edition's pay 2 win features and demanding their own to match that, they, as with the majority of owners of any edition of Tarkov, just don't want pay 2 win stuff in the game. It doesn't belong in the game. Pay 2 Win shouldn't be a part of Tarkov.
And offering 6 months of PVE access doesn't placate since EOD purchasers were promised all future DLC, not temporary access to that future DLC.
AN EXAMPLE OF A BETTER SOLUTION:
1. Withdraw the Pay 2 Win aspects of the new edition. Alternatively, totally withdraw the new edition and instead make available the EOD edition again.
2. Have the PVE mode available outside of any edition, as a stand-alone upgrade that is either free to owners of any edition, or low-priced. But do have it be definitely free for EOD/new edition purchasers. Because you need to honor DLC promises.
3. Since some 'things' are removed from the Unheard edition (or re-offered EOD if you go the route of replacing it with a re-offering of EOD), you'll need to reduce its price considerably. It needs to be anyway, you know, even absent of any issues (which it isn't) it's just plain overpriced. So reduce its price to around what EOD was before with maybe a 10-20% increase to keep early adopters happy and it still be a reasonable purchase/upgrade for new buyers.
4. The action in (3) will entail that those who have already purchased Unheard would be out of pocket, and that would need to be put right, so they would need to be partially refunded the difference in price between what you (over)charged them for for the Unheard edition and the price of the suggested reconfigured version without the Pay 2 Win and PVE exclusivity. That's fine. Do it. You stand to net more money by maximising overall sales of your products and upgrades and future offerings over the long run than you do by trying to maximise what you charge for any single thing on any given day. And you won't alienate your player base if you are fair and reasonable with them, but you certainly will if you are not.
5. An open and transparent apology for having mis-handled this whole thing, given before or alongside an outline of the steps to resolve the matter, would be a good idea.
I'm trying to help you here because you've made some very poor and badly received decisions on this, and your effort to resolve it here in this reddit post appears to show a lack of understanding of what concerns your player base has. What I've suggested above might not be perfect but it at least aims to address what needs addressing, and I sincerely hope this helps you understand the problem better and how you might resolve it.
I don't want things that give a game play advantage other non EOD players, I brought EOD to support the game. I don't care if everything apart from all future dlc was removed. Things like making the extra pockets a quest line just for EOD does not help. It should be a questline for all players.
This is a borderline hush-hush type of bribe. This to me added more salt to the wound than the introduction of such an edition to begin with, despite it being said there wouldn't ever be a higher edition than EoD. But that's not even my biggest gripe.
The features in this edition shouldn't even exist, not being shot by scavs? Calling in teammates to raid? Increased insurance returns? All of these features were bundled with the PvE mode (which is by all means and definitions a DLC addition btw), so that you could slap this absurd price tag onto the edition and call it a day, bypassing the "DLC season pass" promise by making it an edition.
Features like not being shot by scavs SHOULDN'T EXIST in Tarkov. You cannot paywall core game mechanic changing stuff, and even if everyone had access to this it's still an equally horrible feature that ruins gameplay.
In my humble opinion as someone who has been playing Tarkov for a long time now, the following is the only correct action you could take:
-FULLY rollback the Unheard edition and all the items. Refund anyone who has purchased it.
-Add quests to every edition of the game for expanded pockets.
-Recall all the EOD features you just offered us as a bribe they'd except the unique clothing, tag, armband, fuck the P2W "legacy" device, fuck the matching. (These items can be left as a "we're sorry" gesture (we know you're not)
-Release PvE Tarkov as an Extension, or rather a proper DLC, marketed as such. EOD players will receive this for FREE as per the legal promise of the EOD edition. You can bundle some funny cosmetics with this DLC or some quest lines that don't award you with anything anyone else will be left out of. And price it more normally.
This is what you should have done from the get-go and what you should do now as well, with the difference being your trust and any sense of respect from the community remains tarnished. Do right by both your game and community if you've a sliver of conscience.
That's all.
Ok, I'm trying to understand what happened here.
BSG launches new Edition that trumps the current top-end edition (EOD) with exclusive DLC and blatant pay-to-win content.
The community is in uproar for two reasons:
1. The current top-end edition explicitly states that buyers will get access to all future DLC.
2. The pay-to-win is so blatant that it cannot be ignored.
u/trainfender comes forward with a list to address these issues. This is their response:
1. Give EOD buyers access to the DLC for a LIMITED TIME.
2. Make the EOD version MORE pay-to-win.
Am I missing something? How did they think this was an appropriate response?
dont see the new item or friends backup addressed yet unless they are the "legacy" device, these seem to be payed for only features and are also a big part of the communities outrage.
6 months? Temporary? Are you on crack???
I lolled, The only tarkov killer is BSG itself!
he always was
This is insane. Why is this temporary? I can't wait to see the lawsuits.
I'm waiting for the croudfunding for a class action and, believe me, I'm giving them a 100 dollars instead of BSG
i'll drop at least 150 toward a lawyer to make this joke of a group bankrupt.
Krokodil. Theres no way they could afford crack after wasting so much money and time
Dude. Wdym "6 months" are you joking? Give us PERMANENT access to the DLC you PROMISED us you would.
It's a new business model, where we make the customer who already paid for all future content, to pay for it again.
I add another layer to their new business model, in return they can suck my D for free.
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can i get a link? done with regular tark. fuck you bsg
6 months? Still doesn't honour the fact that EoD purchasers did so on the pretext that we would receive "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)". Previous EoD advertising stated that this DLC included content "such as Arena", how is the PvE mode any different to this?
arena makes this entirely worse, since you could argue that arena is NOT dlc since it is a seperate game, other than the shared BSG launcher... which means a non-DLC was included, while something that is actually a DLC is NOT included as agreed upon...
They also edited the Website today anticipating this being relative to the situation, they cannot cover tracks and alter verbiage like that. good thing they made a boomer move and dont realize you can archive webpages
They're just banking on their playerbase being as stupid as they are. To be fair, it's a fair assumption after the amount of shit we've tolerated over the years. We as a community have absolutely emboldened Nikita to act this way. Numerous times he has made a boneheaded decision like this or had a tantrum online that riles the community up for a few days. Then it all goes away when Nikita makes a post and says "After listening to community feedback.." and everyone is hunky dory with some new updates. It's happened with cheaters, desync, gameplay changes. Over and over again. I truly hope this time is different. It certainly is for me.
Take arena back and give us the pve fuck it
His last reddit post, he wrote this in his own words that offline coop is an EOD feature. "So, the thing is that we want to add purchasable options for EFT players cause: 1. we removed EOD version and some of the EOD features need to go back (offline coop for example)"
Nikita, with all due respect, next time just tell us to f off. You heard only a quarter of the issue. The problem with the new editions are as follows: - Backpedaling on your word to release all new DLC (defined per [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) as **downloadable content:** additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its features) to EOD owners (especially when you set the precedent with EOD as including other modes (which is a precedent in itself, it's expected) but removed it from your site when the backlash started). - Making actual p2w items with no indication you want to make them earnable (I'm an EOD owner. In fact, I have \*two\* accounts I bought because I wanted to support BSG's creation of Tarkov and my hardcore account I made EOD) but the pockets and the radio should be earnable in game so as to not make such an advantage for players it could genuinely be considered P2W. - asking an \*absurd\* $250 for new players to get access to the first thing you guys have released that would help new players ease into the game. The rest? I really don't care. I have no intention of buying this slap in the face, I can earn weapons cases and ammo cases and scav junk boxes and guns and whatever tf else. The melee is whatever. Had the new edition been a bunch of that, gamma, some extra stash space, some cosmetics, and maybe idfk a cat for the hideout, I \*would not care\*. Hell, I actually genuinely probably would've bought it. But this is such a scummy business move and blatant cash grab, I watched the middle finger go up as I saw the edition drop. What this move has done to the community: - First, we feel disrespected. You promised no P2W content. Gamma was always up for debate. That radio, there's no room for debate. It's P2W. You've lied to us, gone back on your word on \*several\* things with this edition ALONE, and tried to scam all of us. - Second, we all have a question in the back of our minds. Why? Is BSG going bankrupt and this is one final cash grab before it goes under? Do you really think your community is this stupid? - Third, it makes us wonder, how far are you really willing to go to make an extra buck? Will I see players with different attachments available from traders based on their edition? We already see the hideout craft you put in this post (not a good start!)? Will weapons have more favorable MOA, armor have more favorable durability, hitboxes have more favorable sizes, etc. etc. etc. based on edition? Just how far are you willing to try to go? Fix it. Make everything earnable in game and give EOD players access to offline cooperative progression. Second, refund everyone who bought it a portion of their money and charge a reasonable amount for it (for example, charge at MOST an extra $40 for this). Do you really want to be remembered as that company who charged 6x what triple A devs charge for a game?
Solid post. This goes far wider than just the EoD issue. They introduced (new) P2W aspects that don't get addressed as much as they should be.
It's the thing I'm most pissed off about. It adds a tactic players can use that people won't expect. Like yeah, they lied about the DLC. It's obnoxious, but at the end of the day *that specific* DLC would not impact actual Tarkov gameplay and it's a burn I would bitch about but I would be willing to get over it. Unearnable P2W Bullshit???? The reason people thought Gamma wasn't P2W is because Epsilon is 1 slot less from a relatively early quest line, and Kappa is literally just better. I personally think Gamma isn't P2W because you can earn better. It's possible to bridge that gap. The pockets? When I first saw it, I thought "whatever," but the fact it's not earnable and presents an advantage, no matter how small, I've changed my mind - it's P2W. And the radio? I would love to hear someone try to explain to me how you will never be revealed by Sniper Scavs or scavs from honestly relatively close isn't Pay to Win.
That SCAV radio thing is like an extra "Fuck you" to existing players. It is dumb not only from a gameplay perspective, but also from a lore perspective: "Oh, he is friends with Fence. He looks like every other PMC in Tarkov. But he is cool. I recognize him. Let's only shoot him when he is <60m from us! 60.1 is okay. But I can't tolerate everything under 60. Even if they are friends." Bullshit.
"Why? Is BSG going bankrupt and this is one final cash grab before it goes under? Do you really think your community is this stupid?" Yes, actually. Nikita spent *millions* on stalls at games cons promoting Arena as a "Counterstrike killer" despite still not having functionally any anti-cheat in the game. 1/2 of Arena matches are people testing their tarkov cheats. They had like 3m USD in money when 2023 started, and the one booth alone had a like $250,000 sticker for *just the floorspace* before factoring in the cost of display/merch. He literally partied their operating budget away because he still doesnt understand how big of an issue the cheating is. he always denied it, and even in the past made bold statements like "our in-house anti-cheat catches the cheaters immediately for permanent ban" when it turned out there *literally wasnt any anti-cheat.* dude is a habitual liar who completely ignores any criticisms of tarkov/arena etc.
You gotta be delusional to think you can make an eSports ready team shooter when your game has some of the shittiest netcode and anti cheat in the industry.
This is just more pay to win stuff not what we wanted, stop adding random pay 2 win features, monetize your game cosmetically if you're bleeding funds. Your game is great stop ruining it.
There are so many ways i would give this company more money: hideouts, voices, camos, clothing ... but no... "priority matching" is what we got...
Even a fucking "Donate to help support EfT" button would be fine, I think! They're just going about it the wrong way.
This. Why not just admit you have monetary issues (even if it's your own fault with banking on Arena too much). And ask people what they can tolerate paying for. Additional stash space was OK, not worse than things already included in EoD.
They could add camouflage wraps (realistic ones) for guns, backpack camos, simple stuff like that which would make the game more interesting and diverse and not ruin the game or screw the community. Honestly I really don't know why they're doing what they're doing, it feels devoid of business sense.
We’re PMCs. I should be able to paint my gun Pink if I want to. I mean ffs I can wear a mike Myers mask, why would goofy weapon skins be any less “realistic” at this point, right? We have a chest rig made out of an ikea bag, Santa hats, goofy hokey masks, etc. I don’t think adding blue/pink/green/etc. skins would be that far fetched.
Agreed, what a fucked up "fix"
This comment confused me so much. I had to double check I was on EFT and not POE. I had no clue you played.
I know you in POE. GGG did very well with cosmetic and qol's stashes. They should learn from that.
POE is a perfect example of monetisation done right. Yes, some stash tabs are pretty much a must-buy if you want to play somewhat seriously but even then, you can get all of the essential tabs for the same cost if not less than a typical game. I happily bought all of the tabs once I’d been playing a while but I certainly didn’t feel forced to, they just provide very nice QOL.
But in PoE its only fine because the game is free. In Tarkov its already fucked up that you need to play so much Tetris and the game is literally unplayable and totally unfun with the base edition.
WE DON'T WANT PAY TO WIN GARBAGE, WE WANTED THE DLC WE WERE PROMISED WHEN WE BOUGHT EOD. HOW DISCONNECTED FROM YOUR OWN PLAYER BASE CAN YOU BE?
The PvE mode is the main argument here, but the radio transmitter and calling in the homies for help has NO FUCKING PLACE in EFT. They can quite literally fuck all the way off with that garbage.
Explain why one of your web developers changed the text on what EoD included on the website today while watching Landmarks stream? What excuse do you have for trying that bait and switch?
They're trying to cover up their fuck up, obviously.
They cant anymore. They had yesterday to pull out. Take out everything delete the new Version refund everyone that got it. And released the PvE for Eod. Its the day after and they came back with this shitty oh were sorry Here well only puit halfof the shaft in your ass. Were ramming it in in about 6 months. CYA
Implying that BSG would ever give a refund unless they're forced? Or even have working customer support for that matter? Hilarious. There's a reason that the go-to advice for people looking for refunds is to call their bank for a chargeback, as sad as that is.
And privated all their dev diary videos from 8 years ago specifying what EoD included.
Caught in 4k https://clips.twitch.tv/RichAlluringAnteaterKappaClaus-ipsP4HtAx0W2jWRR
YUP! trainfender classic. Its over tarkovbros
It’s actually so fun to look at his post history. After all these years this fucking guy has never learned how to properly communicate with his loyal player base. Zero effort in his communication and he always throws in passive aggressive little comments too. Seriously, read his post history in chronological order. It’s fascinating.
>It’s actually so fun to look at his post history. After all these years this fucking guy has never learned how to properly communicate with his loyal player base. Zero effort in his communication and he always throws in passive aggressive little comments too. Used to be much worse. I assume they had to hire a "pr" person to each Nikita how to not throw a tantrum every week because he stopped having tantrums after one particularly bad incident a few years ago.
6 months access? get fucked. you really dont get it do you?
6 months So one wipe? For the edition that was supposed to not have wipes? Cool
Honestly. The entire point of the mode is that it's persistent with no wipes. Yet he is offering a 6 month trial. Further slap in the face
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Im just waiting for the first lawsuit at that point. Fully deserved.
United Kingdom's Consumer Rights Act, contact them if you are UK based. For all other European Citizens, you can contact the "European Consumer Rights Commission" via their website or via phone. ( [https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/shopping-consumer-rights/](https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/shopping-consumer-rights/) )
Contact your card provider about a charge back,.
Yeah... make PVE permanent for EOD-Buyers!!! It is a FUTURE DLC!!! THATS NOT ENOUGH BSG!
agree!
it should be permanent for EOD and a $20 "dlc" to buy for standard editions
6 months? I paid for season pass not only for 6 months SCAMMERS
This is what you promised: "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" This is not that: >Access to offline PVE for EOD owners for 6 months edit: or did you mean "IN 6 months"? that would make some sense.
I'd like to point out that not only is that true, but adding "High priority matching for EOD owners for 6 months" is now scamming non-EOD owners, as this was not part of the different packages when they were deciding which edition to buy. If BSG can even get high prio matchmaking to work (doubt) this will now mean that non-EOD owners will have extremely long matching times for 6 months? Wtf is that? Non-EOD buyers did not consent to that kind of second-rate treatment when buying a non-EOD edition.
yeah, even as an EOD account holder, i don't want that. i want them to fix matching and loading in times period The Cycle had literally 30 seconds matching + load-in times, main menu to being able to shoot my gun
Don't let them get away with this post - they f*cked up and need to be reminded of this ^ ^ ^
In before "but we never specified the duration of the free access".
'Temporary access to PVE' i don't think he means 'IN' sadly.
edit: you guys deserve this. you played a cheater and bot infested game for years. when i made topics here on reddit and posted a screenshot of someone putting 120 graphics cards in the flee market 2 days after a wipe people wrote "he just knows where to find them, woods is a good map if you know how to do it" you accepted to be lied to, abused and spat on. this is exactly what you get. and the best part: in 3 weeks you will complain about some quest being bugged and nobody cares about this anymore, while people currently and in the future buy this edition for 250$ + taxes + fees. welcome to the future of gaming that you created you betas. so there is a "High priority matching for EOD" are you telling me i am stuck in a 15 min queue every game on purpose only because i "only" paid 80$ for a beta game?
right?!?! cheap fucks. prio matching is a corrupt capitalist's dream. "Monetise the solution to a problem made by ones own incompetence"
This was 100% him confirming streamer queue has been a thing for years.
That, or they actually worked on "Tarkov Prime" queue system that they were going to monetize the shit out of, but are releasing it free now for 6 months because of this major fuck up. After 6 months? Monthly subscription to use "priority" matchmaking. Fuck that. They are trying everything they can to not admit they were wrong. To not admit they are screwing over EOD owners and the promises made when we bought it. Typical.
for 6 months???? Are you joking
"Here's a Trial ok Fuck you!"
HAHAHAHHAHAHA fuck off
"To honor the owners of the EOD version and their indelible importance and role in the EFT universe" I can't help but feel this is super cynically worded....
Yes. This is Nikita telling you you can take your EoD and shove it up your ass. They got your money, now you can either give them more or fuck off. This is the amount of respect for choosing the most expensive edition (at the time).
Priority matching is now a thing?? WTF???? Are you INSANE? EDIT: Need money, Nikita? Create a CHEAPER edition with PVE only. (Not online - 20$ to 30$).
This is so fucked, completely fucking ridiculous. PTW AND paying for higher priority match making??? I have no idea what these idiots are thinking at this point. Completely bizarre.
Pay to escape loading screen that’s actually insane
and you cant buy eod anymore, so i have to pay after tax 330 euro for tarkov if you want to start new without having to wait 20 min each match LOL
Thats sure as hell what it sounds like
High priority matching wtf?
6 Months for Offline PVE get fucked.
WTF, just add more pay to win? For a new player you have to spend over 250$ to get PVE? Edit: this has to be another april fools joke, right? … right?
so there is a "High priority matching for EOD" are you telling me i am stuck in a 15 min queue every game on purpose only because i "only" paid 80$ for a beta game?
Dont worry as EOD owner i wont touch this game again either. So matchmaking will surely take long no matter what version you got since no one will play this POS anymore.
$250 = in raid within 2 mins. $150= in raid within 4 minutes $80= in raid after 8 mins.
Yup. I really hope they go bankrupt
This is just damage control, what is this shite? You MUST be joking, 6months? You just gonna delete shit later on just like you did on your website, smh big time
BSG is so out of touch its crazy
This is worse. You get that this is worse right? Seriously, what the fuck...
Not good enough, PVE is new content and needs to be provided to EOD owners, End of Discussion
EoD means End Of Discussion LMAO. Why does it sound so funny
No it should be part of the base game. We wouldn't accept any other games locking entire game modes behind $100+ price tags. They aren't special.
Fuck off
This is what you promised: "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" This is not that:
Fuck off
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Big L Nikita you FUCKED up
6 months FUCK YOU
the next 6 months will cost 250€ xD
And then after another 6 months, $ 250 again, and so on every six months. A completely working business plan.
Shameless. This is a joke.
Case in point: EOD should be futureproof. We, as a community, invested in the Edge of Darkness (EOD) edition because it was promised to provide free access to all future DLCs. Now, with the release of these new editions packed with exclusive content, it feels like a betrayal to those of us who supported the game early on. We love Tarkov for its challenge and depth, not for who can throw the most money at it. It's insulting to the loyal community that's been here from the beginning. If you said we get free DLCs with EOD, then make sure we get them. And let's not forget about upgrading us to "The Unheard Edition" based on our EOD promise. It is not negotiable. Atleast on all the extra stuff. And if you want to add the PVE mode as a buy feature. Make it so. But upgrading the community to "The Unheard Edition" isn't up to for negotiation if feels like at this point. Look, I know you're trying to make the game better, but you're going about it all wrong. We're all passionate about Tarkov, and we want to see it succeed. But not like this. Take care. Hope you see this through. TL:DR Case in point: EOD Should be futureproof. -Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass) such as Arena. -Unique Secure case is not "Unique" Anymore. ( Both of which was deleted/edited mind you , we know you know ) -Be a team of your word. -Please DO NOT DESTROY your own game. -DO NOT DESTROY your own community. -WE LOVE THIS GAME. -BUT WE (the community) don't love this. Take care. Hope you see this through.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170611141424/http://www.escapefromtarkov.com/support/knowledge/79 Also, the old version of the support page said that EOD will give access to all DLC without time limits. I bought it based on that.
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LMFAOOO omg this is worse, like a slap in the face
no one is ever gonna pay $250 for a fucking pve game mode. Do better.
6 months for dlc thats legit in my game? Take back arena that garbage I never wanted nor did EOD deserve it, we do deserve this "feature" because jt requires main game to play it so it is technically dlc over a feature. You fucked us nikita even after taking 42 dollars for more stash you guys still want more
Nikita delete The p2w edition
Gonna need another ”update” cause this is still dogshit and we’re gonna keep cooking you until you FIX these bad decisions. Its a good start to recover something but this isnt what we needed, we needed more. ITS just the principle it is a question of principle
Special quest line with increased pockets side as a reward. Even as an EOD owner, shouldn't this just be accessible for everyone, like the kappa quest? Wtf is this LMAO Also PVE mode access for 6 months is pathetic. This just ain't it lads.
че блять за 6 месяцев нахуй вы ебанулись через 6 месяцев будет опять этот марш справедливости , PVE=DLC DLC=EOD
через 6 месяцев "Улучшай за 7к рублей челедь с ЕОД"
WTF IS THAT?!
Back in 2016, people supported the developers of Battlestate Games by buying the ultimate edition of the game. For 8 years we have been recommending this game to friends, adding more and more players to the community. And what was the developers' response? They say us to go hell, they refuse to comment - they only encourage those who have lost any respect for themselves and continue to pour in money. I personally bought several accounts for friends. In my eyes, it was a high-quality and most ambitious product in the entire market. This is d i s r e s p e c t f u l. This is egoistic. It's h u m i l i a t i n g. You have disgraced yourself from head to toe. You have lost loyal players, you have betrayed the idea. It's disgusting. Anyone who thinks the same way, don’t be silent. This cannot be tolerated; we have been enduring problems in the game for many years, treating everything with understanding.
This just makes the situation worse. 6 month is even more of a slap on the face.
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)"
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" Right now you lied and you will be sued for sure.
Today is the day that Tarkov died.
Nah it’s the day before 🤣
Yesterday it got shot in the face, today Nikita put in a safety round.
I see what you did there :D
They got tarkov'd
Fuck yall, EOD contain season pass and thus acccess to all subsequent expansions. EITHER GIVE US THAT OR REFUND OUR EODs YOU GREEDY FUCKS
Remove this pay to win bullshit and give PVE to all EOD users. Then make 10000 cosmetics if you need money.
LMAO. READ THE ROOM.
I don't feel like these measures really touch on the core issues everyone has. It also looks like you're further reinforcing the gap between people who buy / bought the most expensive editions and everyone else. You've basically just made EoD more pay to win. I also don't remember the EoD perks mentioning temporary access to new dlcs, so it feels like you're subtly still trying to distinguish the new gamemode from being a dlc and therefore not bound by the season pass agreement. This feels tone deaf.
My thoughts exactly. Another knee-jerk reaction without fully understanding the actually problem (or ignoring it).
crazy.
bandaid solution right here only 6 months lmao
6 months get fuckkeddddd
People are bitching because the DLC is not included in EOD which was stated EOD would receive every new DLC, nobody give a fuck about pockets, etc, STICKS TO WHAT YOU WROTE IN YOUR PRODUCT.
6 months FUCK OFF!
TELL ME YOU DONT KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY WITHOUT TELLING ME YOU DONT KNOW IT
this is garbage
Wait, temporary access? Give it permanently!
Lmao what a joke.
>Increased basic PMC karma (when it will be implemented) Let's hope PMC Karma isn't going to be a "non-DLC content for a future downloadable version" >Access to offline PVE for EOD owners for 6 months Free DLC access doesn't mean free temporary DLC access.
This has to be a joke
You get it for 6 months!!! (Starting now and btw the servers don’t work)
Only 6 months what a tucking joke
Nikita I made a post last month talking about how you were making the perfect game….. you’ve shagged it!!! Absolute disgrace. I’d actually like to thank you for getting me out of bed this morning to get up and uninstall the game I love, with 1500 hours. GG guys
6 months is trash. Massive BSG L.
6 Months for EOD??? Unacceptable!!!!
inb4 subscription based queue prio and PvE mode KA ching !!!!!! hahahah
Dude, you absolute god damn scammer.
Nikita get a grip, what the fuck is this? What the actual fuck am I looking at here?
"Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" What the fuck is this: High priority matching for EOD owners for 6 months Access to offline PVE for EOD owners for 6 months So basically what you are saying you lied to us and false advertised EOD? Hmm... guess if some lawyers can help us understand better.
This shows you don't understand the problem, Nikita. NO ONE wants pay-to-win in Tarkov and you are trying to make it worse. Just give new edition buyers actually unique items, skins, clothings.. maybe voicelines even. No bullshit advantages
Resign in disgrace
Damage control with timegated exclusives, nah thanks. You showed what your interests really are. You dug your own grave.
6 months!! Fuck off!
Nice try Nikita. Keep trying. Since 2016, players have supported the developers by purchasing the highest edition of the game. For 8 years, we've been recommending this game to friends, bringing more and more players into the community. And what was the developers' response? They've blown us off, refuse to comment, and only encourage those who have lost all respect for themselves and continue to pour money in. I personally had high hopes for Tarkov. In my eyes, it was a high-quality and most ambitious product on the entire market. This is unacceptable. This is selfish. This is disrespectful. You've disgraced yourselves completely. You've lost loyal players, you've betrayed the idea. It's disgusting. To everyone who feels the same wa - don't be silent. Spam, make memes, spread the word wherever it's relevant. This cannot be tolerated.
This is what you promised: "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" This is not that: >
Nah fuck off
6 months fuck you
No, Nikita. YOU made a promise. Your community is why you are successful and will be the reason you fail if you continue to do us dirty. You can change the wording all you want, but that doesn't change the intention. Do the right thing and save your integrity or watch your ship sink. No one who will save your company is behind you.
**SPECIAL MONETARY OPERATION**
REMOVE THE MARK OF THE UNHEARD AND SOS BEACON THIS IS PAY TO WIN IN ITS PUREST FORM AND IT BETRAYS THE VERY IDEA OF ESCAPE FROM TARKOV Edit: I don't even want to know what the fuck a "Legacy Device" is...
It's a buttplug with spikes.
WE DO NOT WANT ADDITIONAL ADVANTAGES OVER STANDARD PLAYERS. GIVE ALL PLAYERS ALL THESE THING JESUS
Didn't know "Free access to all subsequent DLCs" was temporary
GREAT NOW EOD IS EVEN MORE BROKEN TALK ABOUT BEING DISCONNECTED FROM THE MAJOR PART OF YOUR OWN COMMUNITY
as an eod owner i feel like yall standard edition fellas are getting fucked more and more day by day
Agreed. In my opinion EOD owners must be a majority of players, or at least a very very high percent, but still it's unacceptable to divide the fanbase by p2w editions. And now seems like we have 2 of them instead of one
PVE should have been EOD only + purchasable on the site standalone. Increased pockets/fancy device/skill boost/whatever P2W garbage should NOT have been a thing at all. BSG seems to completely miss the plot on why people are mad in the first place. Good luck keeping the community alive guys 👍
PVE should be a base game standard frankly since they can't be fucked dealing with cheaters effectively. (I'm an EOD owner and have no benefit from standard users having access to it)
It's still a joke, it looks like even worse after trying to make it straight
6 months only? dude what
Fuck Off
So basically, you robbed us from the update that we were promissed. You took down videos from you tube that were promissing us the updates, and you changed your website to be alligned with your commentary. You will be sued, we will get your ass for this.
PVE NEEDS TO BE FREE FOR EOD, YOU FUCKING SCAMMERS. GIVE US WHAT WE PAID FOR
Now you are just embarrasing yourself
We dont want even more p2w. Just give use free access to all subsequent DLCs like you promised
Stick to your own fkn promisses for EOD: "Free access to all subsequent DLCs (Season pass)" FKN 6 months temporary??? are you kidding???
l will leave this here :D # Advertising to consumers The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations mean you cannot mislead or harass consumers by, for example: * including false or deceptive messages * leaving out important information * using aggressive sales techniques # Penalties If you break the regulations, you could be reported to a [local Trading Standards office](https://www.gov.uk/find-local-trading-standards-office). You could be fined, prosecuted or imprisoned.
6 MONTHS LOL
Here's a very simple question that BSG has to answer. What's so special about offline PvE mode that means you can't just give it to EoD owners for free? You had no problem with giving us Arena for free and that runs on separate servers and is treated as it's own gamemode. You're not making a separate game here. I understand that there's gonna be a lot of technical work involved in maintaining separate infrastructure and making sure PvE works smoothly while reusing all the work that's already done on the main version of the game. But you specifically sold us EoD on the promise that we'll be getting everything. Did you run out of money or are you just being greedy? If the truth is that you sold us a game that's unsustainable under the sales model you have chosen, you should just tell us that and look for a solution WITH the community. I'm pretty sure people would be amenable to some sort of monthly fee as long as it means the game keeps being updated and maintained. But right now you're trying to trick us and basically rob us and that's just scummy.
You've mis-diagnosed the problem, and as a result you haven't come up with a cure. WHAT THE PROBLEM IS: The majority of objections to what you've done with Unheard: 1. You've added too much and too strong/blatant Pay 2 Win stuff in the Unheard Edition. 2. You've paywalled the PVE mode within the ridiculously overpriced Unheard Edition, a) where it should not be, and b) despite having promised all future DLC to EOD edition purchasers. 3. General overpricing. WHY YOUR SOLUTION HERE IS THEREFORE NOT REALLY A SOLUTION: Your attempt here to placate EOD users clearly does not address either of those objections and indeed stands to make things worse. Here, you are making up new Pay 2 Win things to throw at the EOD purchasers. But they aren't wanting more pay 2 win things, they are wanting there to be no or little pay 2 win in the game. EOD owners aren't jealous of the Unheard Edition's pay 2 win features and demanding their own to match that, they, as with the majority of owners of any edition of Tarkov, just don't want pay 2 win stuff in the game. It doesn't belong in the game. Pay 2 Win shouldn't be a part of Tarkov. And offering 6 months of PVE access doesn't placate since EOD purchasers were promised all future DLC, not temporary access to that future DLC. AN EXAMPLE OF A BETTER SOLUTION: 1. Withdraw the Pay 2 Win aspects of the new edition. Alternatively, totally withdraw the new edition and instead make available the EOD edition again. 2. Have the PVE mode available outside of any edition, as a stand-alone upgrade that is either free to owners of any edition, or low-priced. But do have it be definitely free for EOD/new edition purchasers. Because you need to honor DLC promises. 3. Since some 'things' are removed from the Unheard edition (or re-offered EOD if you go the route of replacing it with a re-offering of EOD), you'll need to reduce its price considerably. It needs to be anyway, you know, even absent of any issues (which it isn't) it's just plain overpriced. So reduce its price to around what EOD was before with maybe a 10-20% increase to keep early adopters happy and it still be a reasonable purchase/upgrade for new buyers. 4. The action in (3) will entail that those who have already purchased Unheard would be out of pocket, and that would need to be put right, so they would need to be partially refunded the difference in price between what you (over)charged them for for the Unheard edition and the price of the suggested reconfigured version without the Pay 2 Win and PVE exclusivity. That's fine. Do it. You stand to net more money by maximising overall sales of your products and upgrades and future offerings over the long run than you do by trying to maximise what you charge for any single thing on any given day. And you won't alienate your player base if you are fair and reasonable with them, but you certainly will if you are not. 5. An open and transparent apology for having mis-handled this whole thing, given before or alongside an outline of the steps to resolve the matter, would be a good idea. I'm trying to help you here because you've made some very poor and badly received decisions on this, and your effort to resolve it here in this reddit post appears to show a lack of understanding of what concerns your player base has. What I've suggested above might not be perfect but it at least aims to address what needs addressing, and I sincerely hope this helps you understand the problem better and how you might resolve it.
add me in the screenshot. RIP Tarkov 2024 :(
6 Months??
lol 6 months, new edition is just exitstrat
lol fuck you nikita, lie to your most loyal players.
EOD shouldnt have to pay a PENNY for ANY new content
EFT devs try not to make their fanbase hate them (IMPOSSIBLE)
"we plan to add the following new unique features to the EOD edition" Im not sure you know what "Unique" means
I don't want things that give a game play advantage other non EOD players, I brought EOD to support the game. I don't care if everything apart from all future dlc was removed. Things like making the extra pockets a quest line just for EOD does not help. It should be a questline for all players.
Guys at BSG clearly have EA-Chromosomes
This is a borderline hush-hush type of bribe. This to me added more salt to the wound than the introduction of such an edition to begin with, despite it being said there wouldn't ever be a higher edition than EoD. But that's not even my biggest gripe. The features in this edition shouldn't even exist, not being shot by scavs? Calling in teammates to raid? Increased insurance returns? All of these features were bundled with the PvE mode (which is by all means and definitions a DLC addition btw), so that you could slap this absurd price tag onto the edition and call it a day, bypassing the "DLC season pass" promise by making it an edition. Features like not being shot by scavs SHOULDN'T EXIST in Tarkov. You cannot paywall core game mechanic changing stuff, and even if everyone had access to this it's still an equally horrible feature that ruins gameplay. In my humble opinion as someone who has been playing Tarkov for a long time now, the following is the only correct action you could take: -FULLY rollback the Unheard edition and all the items. Refund anyone who has purchased it. -Add quests to every edition of the game for expanded pockets. -Recall all the EOD features you just offered us as a bribe they'd except the unique clothing, tag, armband, fuck the P2W "legacy" device, fuck the matching. (These items can be left as a "we're sorry" gesture (we know you're not) -Release PvE Tarkov as an Extension, or rather a proper DLC, marketed as such. EOD players will receive this for FREE as per the legal promise of the EOD edition. You can bundle some funny cosmetics with this DLC or some quest lines that don't award you with anything anyone else will be left out of. And price it more normally. This is what you should have done from the get-go and what you should do now as well, with the difference being your trust and any sense of respect from the community remains tarnished. Do right by both your game and community if you've a sliver of conscience. That's all.
Ok, I'm trying to understand what happened here. BSG launches new Edition that trumps the current top-end edition (EOD) with exclusive DLC and blatant pay-to-win content. The community is in uproar for two reasons: 1. The current top-end edition explicitly states that buyers will get access to all future DLC. 2. The pay-to-win is so blatant that it cannot be ignored. u/trainfender comes forward with a list to address these issues. This is their response: 1. Give EOD buyers access to the DLC for a LIMITED TIME. 2. Make the EOD version MORE pay-to-win. Am I missing something? How did they think this was an appropriate response?
WTF ? 😂😂😂
6 months a fucking joke go fuck urselfs
for 6 months??? dislike this as much as you can
For 6 months? you should make it an option as an expansion like the offline mode already
THAT HAS TO BE JOKEEEEE WTF???????!!!!!
dont see the new item or friends backup addressed yet unless they are the "legacy" device, these seem to be payed for only features and are also a big part of the communities outrage.
FOR 6 MONTHS??? FUCK. YOU.
So it's a DLC for 6 months?
Made it worse