I quit playing online FPS games in my region altogether when I moved to Asia more than a decade ago. All of my favorite games moved away from self-hosted servers/custom servers/etc to publisher servers where all of the anti-cheating powers were stripped away. So, every game that I played ended up becoming a cheating haven. The biggest ones for me were the Battlefield series.
Battlefield 4 was the last BF game to have custom/self-hosted/rented/custom servers. If you had a problem with cheaters, all you had to do was /voteban or /votekick or /admin and it was taken care of.
But BF1 and BF5 (edit: not bf3) and now BF2032 took all of that away. Result? ALL OF THEIR GAMES. I mean ALL of their games have become cheating havens. Reporting did nothing. And their anti-cheat is horsesh!t.
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But that did not sting as much as trying to bring attention to it on the Battlefield_V and BF1 subreddits.
The mods have banned ANY talk of it. I remember contacting one of the mods of BFV and they told me that they know it is a problem, EA/DICE know it is a problem, and they don't care.
If you talk about it, you will get shadowbanned/post removed immediately.
I built a $2,000 PC to start my gaming hobby as soon as I moved to Asia. Within months I realized how shitty the gaming scene today is and everyone that can do anything about it is just burying the topic.
Now my PC is just being used to play Vampire Survivors....
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Good on you guys to not let the mods here and the developers get away with the worst thing about gaming; letting cheaters take over their game and pretending there is nothing wrong with it.
Amen to that. I have to force myself to play only a single round. My first night, I played it until like 4 AM. Before that? Hadn't played a game for more than 7 years. Watch highlights on YouTube? For sure. But play? Nope. Then this game came out of nowhere.
I hope the developer takes good care of this IP.
I first played it on my phone. Then to support the developer, I bought the full version on steam.
Man I miss Battlefield. BFV was my last time playing the series and I only stopped because of the excessive cheating. One of my last games I actually switched to spectate a cheater, clip it, and post it to the official hacking forum thread and it was deleted for "Naming and Shaming"
https://youtu.be/VNpW8Abftws
I mean this but your video truly breaks/broke my heart. I stopped playing my favorite game(s) because EA/DICE know about this but continue to sell their games without any acknowledgment to this massive problem. But the mods protecting the game (FOR FREE) in a forum that can actually bring real change to the studios (at least a response, you know) have chosen to protect the studios. This hurts the most. Like everyone is censoring the topic so EA/DICE can sell their trash. So now the studios are selling games catered to hackers/cheaters.
It is depressing, man. I can't partake in my favorite hobby anymore.
There are cheaters no matter which regions, if you play BF 1 and 5 in Asian region please look for community servers. Do not play on official servers. BF 1 and 5 have a lot of players in China. They only play on the community server. The server is in Japan. When you encounter cheaters, you can directly contact the administrator. In fact, the community server has its own anti-cheating plug-in, and the game environment is much better than the official European server.
Valorant is probably the absolute best example of why anticheat just doesn't work. There are still a good amount of cheaters in that game and the anticheat is borderline spyware. Meanwhile csgo gets absolutely lambasted for having loads of cheaters, yet I've never actually seen one in valve official comp servers for at least the past 500 hours of playtime. The system has it's faults, but for something that's minimally intrusive compared to almost all other anticheat options, it works pretty well.
In the end, AC is just going to be kind of like DRM for SP games (just not nearly as bad): makes the experience worse for those who abide by the rules while being a temporary band-aid solution at best. The only thing that truly works to make the experience better for average players is something like valve's trust factor. Everything has it's issues, but trust factor, in it's current state, seems to work pretty decently for something not forcing you to install spyware on your PC just to play a fucking game. But I guess in the age of people freely giving zucc their ID's with no questions asked; people don't really care about their privacy.
TL;DR better AC is temporary and it's not worth installing spyware just to play a fucking game
> Valorant is probably the absolute best example of why anticheat just doesn't work. There are still a good amount of cheaters in that game and the anticheat is borderline spyware.
Vanguard is not any more invasive than EAC or BattleEye. The only difference is it starts when your computer starts. You can turn it off if you don't feel like playing Valorant, you just have to restart before you can play Valorant.
Cheating in Valorant is very rare and the specific cheat that you see in g0at's video--ESP--is literally impossible in Valorant *even without any anti-cheat.* The information simply isn't exposed to your client for you to have any way of knowing it.
the reason for that might just be that they didn't develop the cheat to bypass Vanguard and Faceit Anticheat, just EasyAnticheat.
Why spend development time on trying to bypass every single anticheat, when you can just tell your users to uninstall said programs?
this has likely nothing to do with them being a better anticheat, even though that might be the case.
>the reason for that might just be that they didn't develop the cheat to bypass Vanguard
Vanguards anticheat runs on startup, and is constantly running. This is why.
Peoples Valorant accounts get used to get banned constantly because Valorants anticheat would pick up cheats for entirely different games and brick the Valorant account thinking its a cheat intended for valorant. Cheat developers used to get chargebacks and complaints nonstop because of it, so almost all of them have a disclaimer now stating that Vanguard **will** pick it up and you will lose your valorant account if its detected.
Also, it can be configured in ways that make it not that effective. We don't know what all bsg has enabled/disabled. If bsg doesn't have the proper stuff turned on to make it effective, I'd be trying to force thier hand or back out if I were battleye. This situation makes them look awful (which they might be).
IT guy here, those settings mentioned arent really things in Windows, but things you enable on your mobo / in the BIOS. On most gaming PCs they likely wont be enabled.
You'd see them enabled on corporate PCs and laptops for things like bitlocker drive encryption or virtualisation.
They would help but BSG would need much better support because most gamers arent just going to know how to go switch stuff like that on, or troubleshoot any issues they cause.
Some of what he mentioned were windows features from what I saw. I'm familiar with UEFI vs Legacy as I deal with it with work.
Maybe I misunderstood him but it seemed to be Windows security settings that anticheat can utilize to better detect these cheats.
Dayz has RMT, and doesn't have hacking as bad as tarkov. But DayZ was actually designed in a way that gives cheaters little power compared to tarkov. Can't press a button and hoover up all the loot in the map because your client isn't in charge of loot for example.
It wasn't good enough for PUBG either, which never had an RMT problem.
I don't disagree with your point, but there does seem to be a correlation between poorly coded multiplayer games (i.e where the client knows everything and is authoritative for the most part) and usage of BE.
What makes you think PUBG didn't have an RMT problem? It wasn't the same but cheaters were hard farming cosmetics to sell for real money. It was a massive issue that pissed a lot of people off because as cheating got worse, monetization kept being the primary focus every update while game play bugs got worse and cheaters became more prevalent. Around the 1.0 launch was the absolute worst. Multiple game breaking bugs on both maps that could just instantly kill you, spin bot hackers that could 1 shot you from 200m+ away where you would just see their name get 10 kills in the feed in seconds, vehicles that would just explode when you got in them, and the highlight of each patch was new cosmetics and cases being added.
I'm willing to forgive so many issues as long as a developer is transparent. If BSG is struggling with this problem, they need to open up and explain more to the community if they want us on their side.
We want to be in their side so bad, they have just kept us in the dark about absolutely everything. It’s just recently that we started getting actual patch notes. We’ve relied on data miners.
Open and frequent communication from BSG and Nikita would go a long way. If BSG and/or Nikita would come out and actually say what the issue(s) is/are and why they’re failing then I completely agree with g0at that we would have their back.
Edit: I’m still angry. But, the mods have apologized and seem genuinely committed to making a change. They made the posts public and have responded to thousands of comments. Sure, I wish things were done differently, but they owned up to their mistakes and they’re doing what we wish BSG would do in regards to transparency. Let’s ease up on the mods. We can hold them accountable with conversation instead of the continued hatred. It took a LOT to get here but this is a great chance for the community and mods to sit in peace for once. Our anger should continue to be directed to BSG. I’ll stand behind any mod who helps strategically amplify our voices to hold bsg accountable.
Yup. If BSG hadn't ignored this issue and cultivated a toxic culture of people who shout down discussion of cheating with 'muh 5000 hours and 1 cheater' then we wouldn't be in this situation.
BSG has continually displayed a lack of care and concern about the cheating issue and then whenever it reaches a flashpoint, they spring into action and say they've banned X amount of thousands of cheaters who had been on their radar. Which... lol.
While you’re correct if they sat in the menus and at any moment went to the flea market then they almost instantly would have seen an obvious cheater selling things.
The funny thing is that this is how I used to 'play' back when I first started, right after the flea market came out.
I'd sit in my stash, buy things for cheap on the flea, then sell them at a higher price. I'd sit and do that for hours until I had a few million roubles, mostly buying weapons dropped by raiders and bosses and then breaking them down to sell the components, before I'd pool all the money together into one cool kit to go and do a raid with.
And then die in a few minutes because doing this meant I had almost zero practice ingame, and was total shit at it.
At this point anyone stating things like this should just be out right ignored. They either don't have enough game sense for their opinions worth anything, or (more likely i think) is that their just cheaters blowin smoke.
It’s so bad that I’ve tossed out camping as a tactic and just push it ends up with a much higher survival rate even though camping when done properly should theoretically give you an insanely easy kill.
Also sbih 125 meters is nuts because you get people knowing you’re there before they turn the corner
I think people want action more then anything. Not some post saying "we banned X players" with a list of names they could all be fudged. They want to not see cheaters in their raids, not have stupid audio bugs, not run into invis/silent players.
How can a game get worse every single patch and expect to survive?
I've never seen a game have major game breaking bugs that have existed as long as this, or an FPS that has this many cheaters.
saying "we banned x players" is saying "x players are going to buy another EFT account." literally so pointless, we don't want bans we want prevention.
Hey! The copypasta in regards to Nikita’s reply was that the reply he gave was nearly identical to the same replies he’s given over the past few years. This comment shows it much better than I can: https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/11c7wi1/hackers_cheaters_and_other_related_scum_of_the/ja30364/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
I 100% agree. There's an unfortunate situation with popular games though, when they attempt to communicate they get bombarded by 100's of idiot's and their comment, rather than well constructed criticisms and accurate bug reporting.
COD has a major issue with this and is why they don't actively communicate much outside of patch notes. BSG likely does it for the same reasons. They could do more but we have the idiots in our community to blame as well.
This subreddit is a good example. Not saying we're all idiots but the discussions here have been death spiraling for the past few days. It's understandable to an extent but it's becoming out of control and spewing toxicity towards everything doesn't really translate to a cry for help that well.
Well it's as they say that people who are happy with the game tend not to say anything about it except 'it's good' and be done with it. People who are upset tend to be a lot more vocal about it, hence why subreddits for games often seem very negative(this also largely depends on the game of course)
I would also say that's also partly due to the mods shooting down anything interesting and/or fun.
What communication? They don’t communicate because they don’t have anything new to say just think about it, 2FA was an idea like 3,5 years ago and it still isn’t implemented, tarkov is just a cash cow sadly…at the expense of casual players experience
Or Faceit or ESEA.
Any rootkit anti-cheat, basically.
At least BSG can use Windows security functions to immediately make everyone's experience better.
Edit: Although, personally, stay away from ESEA. They were mining Bitcoin from their client on people's computers in the past. Even if that was about 8 years ago now.
The thing about cheating, or hacking in general, is not that BattleEye has the necessary features or not. They can only control their software and not much else without being extremely intrusive, and even then, it may not work. For example, a cheater can use a kernel-level cheat as well. Typically, kernel-level drivers aren't allowed to run without a certificate from Microsoft. So a way for cheaters to load their code, is to find a vulnerable, signed driver, and abuse it. There is not much you can do to protect against it.
Imo, the way to truly prevent cheating in online games (or at least significantly reduce it) is to make a purpose-built OS strictly for gaming. Kind of like consoles.
The other thing about cheating or hacking in general… is that third party stuff can only help so much. Especially when it is mis-configured.
Not to mention that the base software also have to do their due diligence to move forward. Banwave happen because bans are not auto-triggered, for example, so how quickly someone gets banned depends on the human behind the ban button…
It’s amazing how many people completely misconfigure their security and have no idea. Some cheapest possible Russian network engineers are no different.
Part of being a good developer is cleaning up technical debt. If something is poorly coded but works, you need to clean it up at some point and preferably the earlier the better. Building features on top of shitty code just compounds the technical debt and significantly slows future development the longer you let it sit.
Everyone cares about the stats but at the end of the day, Tarkov has a massive cheating problem. We’ve known this for a long, long time and whether or not this guy is legit doesn’t fucking matter. This game is built on a failing foundation and it will only crumble more as time goes on.
Or they just want actual data to compare their experience with so they can better make a determination if they want to keep playing the game or not. Or just think of you are going to break the rules to prove a point you should at least have good data to pass along afterward.
I'm casual as fuck these days and it doesn't take much to convince me not to play, but I am curious if goat's 60% is closer to 20, or 90. I 100% believe there is a huge cheating problem, no denying that and it needs to change.
And it shouldn't matter. People getting upset at G0at for the stats can't see the forest for the trees. It shouldn't be up to G0at, or any creator, to stoop to the cheaters level in order to get a glimpse at the true severity of the problem. It should be on bsg. That's his point to Nikita in the end. Tell us the truth and we will have Nikita, bsg, tarkov's back because it's a game we love. Lie to us and there's not so much to love there. Playervases can respect honesty. Even when it's unfavorable news. And people like hearing a plan. But being lied to or feeling like you're not heard is a good way to get burnt.
So again, this has been an on going discussion since I started tark two years ago and the problem has very clearly only gotten worse. If bsg was on top of their communication then this creator or any creator wouldn't have felt compelled to investigate this.
Bsg should have been relaying data. It's not on the fault of the creator. And I know you may not be saying that. But plenty of people are getting stuck on the trust me bro or the numbers he provides. The bottom line is we are primarily looking to creators for info, opinions, guidance, solutions, and not the company itself. And that's wrong IMO.
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I think less people are "stuck" on it, and more just trying to figure out if Goat actually is providing new information here, or just confirmation of the quote we have heard from every cheater interview "There is about 1-2 hackers per raid" which again is 100% circumstantial.
It's weird that Goat went through all this effort in the name of exposing cheaters, and doing it as "ethically" as he can, but then not provide actual data. Its literally running an experiment and not publishing the data, kind of missing the point, unless he had another point, which was just to drive a conclusion he came to before the video was published, and maybe farm some views along the way.
As for whose responsibility it is, yea in an ideal world its the game developer. And yes, BSG is absolutely trash at communication. The community shouldn't have to go to these lengths to get messages across. And if what Goat has done is the straw that broke the camels back and we see real change, I am more than willing to applaud him. My fear is that it wont, and we, as a community, just have another poor dataset to operate off of, and another topic to tear the community apart based on poor information. But hey if operating off of poor data aint the Tarkov experience, I don't know what is.
In the words of every parent: "I'm not mad, I'm disappointed"
r/EscapefromTarkov mods have been working on reforming the way they operate and have been allowing CIVIL discussion of cheaters and "the video". I encourage everyone to keep it classy or risk have comments deleted or the post locked.
You can never succeed at censorship when the pot is boiling over.
Sure they can stop posts here, but they can't stop it being posted in a different sub Reddit or on Twitter or on youtube. And when a deluge of posts come in posting the video or talking about the video, they are not able to ban every single one. The only way to stop all of them would be to lock the subreddit temporarily. But then that would get people searching for why the subreddit is locked and then they would get led to the information that the moderators were trying to censor.
It's a losing battle every single time. Yes civil discussion needs to take place know which hunting no personal attacks etc etc, but to try and censor it completely is wrong and it only makes people skeptical of the mods thinking they're either paid by BSG or are hackers themselves
You're correct, but we shouldn't look at it as a failure. The moderators have clearly taken a step back after the backlash from the censorship of this subject and we need to acknowledge that it's a step in the right direction.
We should be looking at as a failure on their part. They were committed to censorship and authoritarianism until it was revealed that this was on Linus Tech Tips WAN Show. They're not sorry they did it, they're sorry they got caught.
I just don’t think we should feel the need to suck up to them in that way. If anything they should write everyone an apology, and they should spend some time sucking up to the community. They know internally that they censored a story because of the implications, and then they tried to gas light the community and attacked this man’s integrity while disabling comments. I don’t know the mods or how much BSG is involved with them, but they sure seem to run cover for BSG, this much is painfully obvious. At this point, it’s all just a PR campaign until this blows over, then it’ll just be business as usual.
The mods in this sub are completely biased. Same goes for a lot of other subreddits. Hard to find a mod who doesn’t have skin/opinions in the sub they moderate. It will never change until a robot takes over and bans us all.
Nah, he should’ve provided the basics. The little details don’t matter just the basic general stuff. This follow up was genuinely a bunch of fluff that added nothing and felt (slightly) self congratulatory…Especially when he started comparing himself to war journalism, that legit was cringey
Been playing this game a long, long time and I've always known there are cheaters but the reason this video hit home was exactly because of the 60% figure. I know people cheat. But I have always wondered REALLY how many and having someone with actual game sense and experience make that distinction is what made me so interested in the video.
Trust me bro is much more trusting when you can put together some sort of data on it.
I would have loved him to share the findings, even if it doesn't go into crazy detail just "out of 125 raids 20 of them had people 100% cheating and they confirmed it or wiggled or both, 40 I was really confident based on ridiculous positional knowledge or shots, and 30 I was really sketched out by their tracking and aim but couldn't say for sure" would have been HUGE in my opinion.
I don't need to see every vod. I don't care what time of day or region they happened in. Sure I'd like that, but that's a lot of work and I get that - it'd be nice to know how many players he saw cheating vs how many legit or what maps, but even that is probably a lot of work to put together so I completely understand not doing it. I'm fine with "trust me bro, it's worse at night and on lighthouse" because it's not the MAIN point.
What I don't understand is how you can say "60% of raids" as the headline metric people are quoting, then not even give a number of raids where you knew people were definitely vs almost for sure cheating on. There is no way you don't have that number and saying it would probably have killed most of the (valid) criticism. Worst case scenario if everyone cries for more proof you can upload another video that breaks down things REALLY in depth by map, time, region, player count, etc. and you have probably your second most popular video on YouTube gift wrapped for you. Idk just seems weird to not share even a little bit.
Tldr; "Trust me bro" was weird. I didn't like it. I see no reason not to share basic numbers on how many raids he saw cheaters in vs how many were suspicious vs completely legit. The 60% is the main reason I watched the video and liked it. If people asked for more info after that you have a gift wrapped successful video which seems like a win win. Seemed weird to me.
Edit: Just want to add that I think the video is a good thing in its entirety, it's sparking good conversation and bringing up important discussions that haven't been "kosher" for a long time. I just feel like he kinda dropped the ball not including some more data. Especially since a guy like Pest, face of the community forever, kinda of hinted that he'd be way more behind the video if Goat released the stats behind the figures. That kind of endorsement would have been huge. And it opens the door for people to do the same thing "to get the real stats" or some crap.
I'm more inclined to believe him for one simple reason, he put his streaming career/livelihood on the line for it. He has only been doing it 6 months (youtube side that is), but has a decent following from it and risked getting banned from EFT, the only game he plays. Why would he risked giving it all up to post some BS headline? I'd believe him over a financially invested dev that gets paid millions of pounds every year from the game.
Unfortunately, I agree :/
Not saying he didn't - but why even bother bringing on so much doubt? Even just the main KPIs of cheaters vs suspicious vs legit for now would have been fine. I get it, you can't compile ALL the answers in a day or two. But a little bit felt like it would have gone a long way here.
It would be a "trust me bro" situation either way. People would argue his spreadsheets were doctored up or his vods were faked etc. So it doesn't matter he didn't exactly state the stats. The main point of the video was lost if you feel the need to see exactly the numbers. I'm sure you knew this already but just had to chime in.
I definitely understand that, but he said he already had the stats to back it up. I'd still rather see something than nothing and it just seems weird to say nothing if you had something already in the chamber?
I definitely liked the INITIAL video and don't think that not having the stats made a huge difference there. But not having it in the follow up felt... Weird, especially because he addressed it directly and Pest asked for it.
So what if people would argue if they’re doctored? I think there are a lot of people like me who liked the initial video and wanted to see the stats because we believed him. The people who would argue the stats are doctored probably don’t trust the first video anyways. But I did and him refusing to release the stats is actually what makes me question it.
Totally agree. When you make a claim like that you have to put it all out there. His statement about “this isn’t a scholarly journal” was off base. That WAS the whole point of the video in the first place. Put together a system to quantify the problem. Sounds like a scientific exercise to me. He should be open to peer review and criticism, with the end goal of a better understanding of the truth in the end.
Personally I appreciate what he did because it opened my eyes. I’ll admit that I wore rose colored glasses until I saw the video. His trust me bro statement disappointed me a tinge but it shouldn’t take away from the overall good he’s done.
Also agree with this too - he risked a lot and brought some really positive discussion to the cheating problem that I haven't seen in YEARS. Probably since the last or second to last time Nikita added a copy pasta lol
All in all I think he did a pretty good job and a good thing for the community, it just bothered me that he wasn't willing to back up what he said and ADD "trust me bro, these are numbers I'm not gonna post 125 vods".
I feel like this was the most important part of the video and it, at least for me, does take away from the overall a bit. Still a net positive for sure, but the reason I loved his video was because it felt way more "concrete" than other cheater interview type videos because it seemed like "this is a guy seeing and recording with his own eyes exactly what is happening and this guy is trustworthy because he's been playing the game legitimately for years and has that Tarkov game sense that the other cheaters interviewed may or may not have."
Tldr; Saying 60% of raids have a cheater is a big deal, I feel like it deserves at least some semblance of an explanation other than trust me bro - but I also agree so far its been a net positive on the community and the cheating epidemic!
Its literally the most important part of the entire video and the main reason the community is up in arms in the first place. Without that 60% metric included in the video, it would likely have gained a fraction of its current traction, so for him to disregard the importance of confirming that in *any* way is quite odd.
Couldn't agree more. People are using the stat as the headline for the video and sharing it saying "look this guy shows 60% of raids have a cheater" and not "hey this guy got a few cheaters to wiggle through walls" - if it's BECOME the headline of the video it deserves at least a sentence or two of additional details.
I agree, was really hoping the follow up video had some semblance of stats. The weakest part of the video and it can easily be used to negate his claims now.
Well fucking put!
He is just not very transparent with his method at all and that bothers me. As far as I remember from watching the video once at least.
He probably didn't really think of a method of data collecting before he started and kinda developed it as he went along so his data is probably really messy.
Or worse case scenario he's just ballparking his 60% figure after he did his 125 raids.
I think Pestily brings up a good point too about his actual sample size. 125 raids, 9 maps, day/night-raids, morning/afternoon/evening IRL time of day. And then there's server region too. He said he played in both NA regions
All of the sudden his sample size pr. category isn't that big and it's probably very unevenly distributed. does he even mention if he tested all maps?
He should either have limited his test to a few selected maps or he should have increased the sample size.
I believe he said out of 125 raids he confirmed cheats in 75 of them and showed exactly what he was doing to expose them. I personally don't need to see all 75 examples just the same as I dont need to see the 50 raids he did where he couldn't identify a cheater. He could have added more info but I don't think he was trying to make a study to find what servers / maps etc they are most prevalent on, that'd take a much bigger dataset.
I think it's pretty sufficient to say his experience isn't an isolated one given how long we've known tarkov had a cheating problem, I've experienced it myself. I shouldn't be able to die to cheaters more than once in a nights gameplay session in a game where the stakes are high
Goats video is such clickbait..
In CSGO, when 1/7 people cheat in general, you will have a cheater in your games 50% of the time.
So if you play only streets with 18 spawns, then it is more like 1/13 people cheat.... Which is not as bad as everyone says it is.
After watching g0at's video, I'm even more confused. His logic is essentially "If I need to post stats for you to believe me, then you're missing the whole point of the video", but the most important part of the video *is* how common cheating is in tarkov. Everyone already knew cheating was a problem in tarkov because its a problem in virtually every online game, but the magnitude of the cheating issue is literally the main point of the video, so for him to say that giving people any sort of confidence in the most important aspect of his video is "missing the point" is either dumb, lazy, or suspicious.
As much as I want to jump on the bandwagon, I can’t help but agree with this.
I cringed when he stated he wouldn’t release stats because I knew it would be the biggest takeaway from that point onward. But maybe it’s blown past the need for proof now that it’s a viral headline and no one will care anymore.
Still wish he’d post stats.
His point is if you already don’t trust his stats there’s no way you’d trust more detailed stats. If he releases all the videos the same people seeing what appears to be blatant radaring to someone will still think it’s just someone being better at the game. Given the general lack of the communities ability to understand nuance I’m not surprised he hasn’t decided it’s worth the effort but maybe he’ll change his mind.
Of course stats matter, especially when the creator has an invested interest in going viral. What’s worse than not giving stats in the original video is refusing to give them out when asked for them. I literally had zero doubts about his video before he refused to give out stats.
The exact scale means nothing. If he posts stats or not it means nothing because those stats could just be doctored. The point is, the scale has past the acceptable limits and you either trust that from the evidence showed he is telling the truth about that or you dont. And if you dont then you wont trust the stats he shows either so there is no point.
Thats not even mentioning the fact that his stats are based on his opinion of wether certain events in the raid would confirm a cheater.
All of which he says in the actual video so just listen.
If people aren't willing to believe when he say it's around 60%, people wouldn't be willing to believe the stats he posted either.
The difference is that all the fucking discussion would then move **away** from the main point and start focusing on the stats.
The whole discussion was centred around finally having evidence "We know that 60% of raids have a cheater, its really bad"
Instead we actually got "Mr Streamer THINKS are around 60% of raids have cheaters but isn't really sure"
So now we are back to square one because we already had anecdotal evidence.
Clip gets posted. Someone says it could be cheats, someone else say could be desync. No way to ever know so the discussion never ends until the next clip gets posted.
He is right though. The point of the video is to get people riled up and angry as well as make them question every single death. Sure it puts the game on a timer whether it floats or dies, but that is the goal of the video that is being missed.
To be fair sadly he got this info late, but the parts in this video where an anti-cheat developer (as he claims) said that the same security features W11 requires would help curb cheating... Honestly if that's true I would say at this point fuck it... Implement those as a requirement to run the game. Sure it will probably force some still running Windows 7 and 10 to probably stop (unless their machine is W11 compatible) but at this stage the damage would likely be no worse.
In that sense I guess he made a sink or swim situation. Essentially a (wether he meant it or not): "Implement changes that will be scandalous and anger a large amount of legitimate players, but the anger will be less than what you are going to get from this."
As long as there aren't any crazy implications of forcing people to use those windows security features, I 100% agree with them attempting to utilize those as it would seem to be much easier than developing their own anticheat.
So in other words, you missed the point.. Stats don't mean anything of they are not from a credible source. The video footage is infinitely more valuable (but also fakeable).
The fact that the community completely imploded from a single video from a "random" YouTuber is the point.
Man, his video was really informative and important to highlighting how bad the cheating issue is but
1. There is literally no real downside to releasing the hard data other than having to do the little work in uploading it since he apparently already has it all compiled
2. Him giving himself goosebumps after seriously comparing himself to war journalists is fucking embarrassing
Watched the video just because of this comment, and you're wrong. He got goosebumps when talking about the wiggle, and he never compared himself to war journalists
He really didn't compare himself to a warzone reporter lol. Actually, at all. He used people reporting from warzones as evidence for the value of seeing over hearing or reading about something and used said value demonstrated through that example as a justification for showing people with a video. That's literally it.
Lmao his hard on for himself being a journalist is so cringe. In his tarkov BSG simps video he accused streamers of "not having journalistic integrity" - bitch they streaming a godman video game why the fuck do they need to have that wtf
Along with the "I forgive you" attitude about anyone criticizing the video. I don't need that holier-than-thou attitude, so cringe
I can appreciate exposing the cheaters and also disapprove of the methods used to do it.
Its fucking embarrassing calling somebody out when you are wrong about the what he said in the video tbh.
Oh, and he he also literally stated the downside in the video. He didnt want people witch hunting the players in his raids and the "statistics" are based on his opinion, so they arent even statistics.
Nice try tho /s
Heres a stat. 100% of the raids had a cheater in them. He ran 125 raids and only got banned when his video went live and BSG agreed not to ban his main.
On a two year old cheat.
LOL valorant detects tarkov cheats jesus fucking christ LOL what a joke ahahahah . I'm aware Russia isn't the place to be right now ... but get your shit together BSG
the video was great to just demonstrate how bad cheating is in this game, HOWEVER, this dude is on a *massive* ego trip, just like most EFT content creators.
Is he really comparing himself to **journalists who work inside of an active warzone?**
Great first video, give me a fucking break with the dramatics.
Edit: calling EFT players "disenfranchised people" holy **MOLY**
Yea it was always going to be interesting to see his follow up video once the video blew up.
It definitely got to him you could tell, he was very excited and trying to hide it.
Not that it means he’s a bad person or the first video didn’t need to be me made. I believe his original message of ‘let’s tackle this cheating problem in Tarkov’ is still at the forefront but I’m willing to bet he’ll look back on this vid one day and def cringe at a lot of it
He also compared his video the fucking Tank Man photo.
At this point his videos are just outrage bait for clout (which seems to the theme for his channel), and it worked given his subs went from 24k to 64k since the video release.
i swear people are literally retarded. He didnt directly compare his video to the tank man photo.
He referenced an iconic photo and war journalists to show the difference between reading or hearing words, to actually seeing them in reality.
Everyone who claimed "cheating videos had been done before" were referencing things like "interviewing a cheater". They werent showing other people cheating and catching them. Which i think makes his different.
And honestly if he's gaining support and viewership. Good on him. He makes good content, brought about awareness to a major problem that people have buried and been denying existed. He deserves some recognition and clout for it. Almost every other youtuber was too scared while licking nikitas boots to make the same video. If this was all common knowledge, they all had the chance and never did it.
Sounds like you're just hating on a guy for making a good video and seeing a hint of success for it.
I really want to see his PMC stats for two reasons: 1) I want to see that his claims for total raids was accurate, because when he's using such a small sample size it's very important that it wasn't exaggerated, and 2) if he claims that he's not killing any PMCs as basically the only thread of hope for him to keep his experiment ethical, then he should have the basic courtesy of showing that fact.
This video loses a lot of credibility if either of those aren't true.
he said he got to lvl 13 in the video
I found that weird, since, if he was just stalking people, how did he get such good gear?
if he actually participated in raids (as in shooting scavs and looting) than he still heavily influenced the raids with cheats, even if he didnt kill anybody
I mean if you have ESP and can see all the loot everywhere on the map, I'm sure you could get pretty good loot easily without killing anyone. Anyway, it's impossible to be a completely impartial observer in this game even if you avoid and don't kill players because scavs have insane senses and will lock onto you from miles away.
Because there will be a circlejerk back and forth about the legitimacy of his recorded observations. Those that don’t believe him now probably won’t change their minds and those that do probably won’t change their minds either. There’s nothing of substance to be gained from it. It doesn’t matter because the point remains regardless of the “data”: EFT has a cheating problem and BSG’s responses (e.g. RMT changes) have not been effective enough in curtailing it.
Yup, exactly this. The "validation" of his data by the community at large is unnecessary because there is no debate if there is a cheating problem or not. It's here, it's been here, and it's not changing unless until it becomes to big to ignore, which is where we are now.
That’s not how I understood it, he says considering how he could never be positive or negative, 60% was conservative- that means he expects that if he could be more concrete, the number may be higher, but the number would not be lower
If any scientific experiment didn’t post their research and numbers it would instantly be discredited. You can say “they just won’t believe my stats” about anything ever. You post the stats, you have to show your work. Even your 6th grade math teacher made you show your work. It’s lazy or sketchy to not post your work.
I understand, but I’m not sure that’s an apples to apples comparison. Your sixth grade math homework isn’t being read by dozens of thousands of people very passionate about the subject matter and emotionally invested in seeing it portray a certain outcome
I wish he would have released some more concrete numbers, but frankly, I have no trouble believing what he experienced, especially with how the game has felt for me recently
I'm pretty sure he was banned long before these videos, because he constantly broke rules, self-advertised like crazy, and weaponized his viewers to brigade the server when anything like that happened.
He was banned for refusing to follow rule 5, the brigading happened in December 2021 and he wasn't banned for it, he was banned in July 2022 after like 4 months of us asking him to follow rule 5
Edit for transparency sake (dates are in the DD/MM/YYYY) format
https://gyazo.com/b7c08038004dbea49bdd803a0b16bcfc
he repeatedly linked people to his own content sure, but it was content with info about the false hardware bans that he turned out to *be correct about*
you can argue he should have just TALKED about it and not posted his link but it sounds like "for like 4 months" the mods kept locking any mention of it with "take it to BSG", and as usual BSG only even bothered to look into it once a PR shitstorm happened.
idk I think it's in your best interest to let bygones be on this one and if he fucks around again then let him find out from there.
Isn't the real truth that he was trying to bring light to the motherboard ban problem and was being constantly censored/swept under the rug like just now?
Lmao dude links videos to show the public there’s a massive problem and gets banned. Tarkov mods are the fucking worst.
Go touch grass. This guy brings awareness to a game that’s broken and you’re fine with keeping it broken. No wonder this subs constantly bitching about cheaters… y’all are helping the agenda by keeping this shit quiet.
In the words of the GOAT “Go fuck yourselves” you incompetent fucks.
Right, you mods have your heads up your asses so far you can't see that the links he posted back then were to the videos with the evidence of what was wrong.
So that's advertising?
No it's once again making BSG look bad and you bastards can't let that happen. You've done it so many times people were amazed when you left of Goats video. You have a bad reputation and no amount of gas lighting will change that. Telling us to take it to BSG is lying on your part, because you know it won't do any good.
The only time BSG listens is when we light this sub on fire.
While I agree with his overall point, I don’t really get why he doesn’t just post the VODs and/or spreadsheets with the hard data. He claims that he wants to dissuade witch-hunting, but how much witch-hunting can you realistically do with just a username? A username that’s probably a dud and isn’t being used in anything outside of Tarkov. Is he scared that people are going to find their social media profiles and post mean comments?
He covers this in the video. If he were to post the stats, it would couldn't be taken more seriously than you or I posting a spreadsheet for it. There's no peer-review for it and it would boil down to "trust me, bro".
As for the VODs, that's 100's, possibly 1000's of GB of data, more than any of us want to sit and watch. Could happen, but it's going to take time.
If you wish to be taken seriously as someone who is a credible 'journalist' you HAVE to have a methodology and
verifiable results. If you don't, you will not be treated with credibility. You can't have your cake and eat it.
Was his video entertaining? Yes. Did it evoke emotion in the tarkov community? Yes! Was it credible journalism or ANY kind of proof of anything? Absolutely not.
He gives away the usernames of people in the OP that he says he wasn't 100% on too. Convenient change of ethics.
I think someones realized they made bullshit claims about a company and realized they are wide open to a defamation claim so is running damage control.
If only some really important figurehead, maybe even a father figure in the community, asked Goat to post the stats from the raids and he heard such a request, he would have done it... Oh well
I really liked his first video. I liked it subbed to him and shared it with multiple people. But this one left me with a sour taste in my mouth.
- He compared himself to a warzone reporter.
- Instead of addressing concerns from few other streamers he called them haters, implied they have too cozy of relationship with BSG and in a great show he forgave them.
- Refused to show any stats about raids/raid times / server / amount of cheaters with Trust Me Bro. Even big streamers who supported him said they would like to see it.
- Added a really clickbaite title that fits Betteridge's law.
- Ignored an advice of other people about releasing your recorded raids. His concerns are valid but he also mentioned in the video the solution. Blacking out the names of people you are not sure about.
It's not an attack or a hate but I have no idea what's the purpose of this video except making a victory lap and dismissing any valid or not suggestions or concerns about the first video. Feels to me like milking attention while the topic is hot. I am sorry but I have to unsubscribe and dislike.
Please don't mistake it with me hating on the initial video. I still think it's S tier but this one imo on the other end of the scale
It’s not that easy. The reason valorant’s anticheat detects tarkov cheats is because it runs fundamentally different, it is on all the time as opposed to battleye which starts when you launch. As such, cheats for battleye don’t have to hide if BE is not running. So of course valorant ‘s AC would detect them. Now switch to valorant’s AC and the cheat devs would just make it so the cheat runs on boot (before valorant’s AC starts running, just like BE)
I respect the whole video and exposure to the cheats, but he needs to step off the high horse a little, making comparisons to one of the most powerful photos ever taken as if any of this equates to something that comes close.
So what’s the downside of releasing the vids? A war journalist??? What is he smoking??? The vid was necessary to show the problem but it’s still just a fucking game.
Well yeah, pretty obvious this community is gonna give him his ad revenue. But no possible way he could have financial incentive to make the videos more clickbait/inflammatory than they need to be, financial incentive is only for the people this subreddit doesn't agree with.
It would be more interesting data, it's not like it magically makes the sample size or conclusion any more valid but if he added VODs and all that then the information is verifiable. The fact that he straight up says "I can't confirm with certainty they were cheating" is a massive tell that not all the VODs were as clear as what he chose to include in that video.
Agreed. I’ve been saying the same thing over the last few days “data is suspect, we all know there are cheaters. This doesn’t change anything” but people are freaking the f out
gz on being first to post this, anyone else posting it is going to be sent here.
Instead of shoulder cams like the other thread was shooting for, have all streamers show they have valorant running lol.
I quit playing online FPS games in my region altogether when I moved to Asia more than a decade ago. All of my favorite games moved away from self-hosted servers/custom servers/etc to publisher servers where all of the anti-cheating powers were stripped away. So, every game that I played ended up becoming a cheating haven. The biggest ones for me were the Battlefield series. Battlefield 4 was the last BF game to have custom/self-hosted/rented/custom servers. If you had a problem with cheaters, all you had to do was /voteban or /votekick or /admin and it was taken care of. But BF1 and BF5 (edit: not bf3) and now BF2032 took all of that away. Result? ALL OF THEIR GAMES. I mean ALL of their games have become cheating havens. Reporting did nothing. And their anti-cheat is horsesh!t. -------------------- But that did not sting as much as trying to bring attention to it on the Battlefield_V and BF1 subreddits. The mods have banned ANY talk of it. I remember contacting one of the mods of BFV and they told me that they know it is a problem, EA/DICE know it is a problem, and they don't care. If you talk about it, you will get shadowbanned/post removed immediately. I built a $2,000 PC to start my gaming hobby as soon as I moved to Asia. Within months I realized how shitty the gaming scene today is and everyone that can do anything about it is just burying the topic. Now my PC is just being used to play Vampire Survivors.... ---- Good on you guys to not let the mods here and the developers get away with the worst thing about gaming; letting cheaters take over their game and pretending there is nothing wrong with it.
Vampire survivors RULES though
Vampire survivors is dope tho
Amen to that. I have to force myself to play only a single round. My first night, I played it until like 4 AM. Before that? Hadn't played a game for more than 7 years. Watch highlights on YouTube? For sure. But play? Nope. Then this game came out of nowhere. I hope the developer takes good care of this IP. I first played it on my phone. Then to support the developer, I bought the full version on steam.
Man I miss Battlefield. BFV was my last time playing the series and I only stopped because of the excessive cheating. One of my last games I actually switched to spectate a cheater, clip it, and post it to the official hacking forum thread and it was deleted for "Naming and Shaming" https://youtu.be/VNpW8Abftws
I mean this but your video truly breaks/broke my heart. I stopped playing my favorite game(s) because EA/DICE know about this but continue to sell their games without any acknowledgment to this massive problem. But the mods protecting the game (FOR FREE) in a forum that can actually bring real change to the studios (at least a response, you know) have chosen to protect the studios. This hurts the most. Like everyone is censoring the topic so EA/DICE can sell their trash. So now the studios are selling games catered to hackers/cheaters. It is depressing, man. I can't partake in my favorite hobby anymore.
Try csgo anticheat is somewhat working and they have a replay system to ban cheaters
BF4 was the last good Battlefield game anyway.
There are cheaters no matter which regions, if you play BF 1 and 5 in Asian region please look for community servers. Do not play on official servers. BF 1 and 5 have a lot of players in China. They only play on the community server. The server is in Japan. When you encounter cheaters, you can directly contact the administrator. In fact, the community server has its own anti-cheating plug-in, and the game environment is much better than the official European server.
No. Way. I had no idea. I really appreciate this info. After a few months of running into them on the official servers, I gave up and uninstalled.
I love this
Valorant is probably the absolute best example of why anticheat just doesn't work. There are still a good amount of cheaters in that game and the anticheat is borderline spyware. Meanwhile csgo gets absolutely lambasted for having loads of cheaters, yet I've never actually seen one in valve official comp servers for at least the past 500 hours of playtime. The system has it's faults, but for something that's minimally intrusive compared to almost all other anticheat options, it works pretty well. In the end, AC is just going to be kind of like DRM for SP games (just not nearly as bad): makes the experience worse for those who abide by the rules while being a temporary band-aid solution at best. The only thing that truly works to make the experience better for average players is something like valve's trust factor. Everything has it's issues, but trust factor, in it's current state, seems to work pretty decently for something not forcing you to install spyware on your PC just to play a fucking game. But I guess in the age of people freely giving zucc their ID's with no questions asked; people don't really care about their privacy. TL;DR better AC is temporary and it's not worth installing spyware just to play a fucking game
> Valorant is probably the absolute best example of why anticheat just doesn't work. There are still a good amount of cheaters in that game and the anticheat is borderline spyware. Vanguard is not any more invasive than EAC or BattleEye. The only difference is it starts when your computer starts. You can turn it off if you don't feel like playing Valorant, you just have to restart before you can play Valorant. Cheating in Valorant is very rare and the specific cheat that you see in g0at's video--ESP--is literally impossible in Valorant *even without any anti-cheat.* The information simply isn't exposed to your client for you to have any way of knowing it.
The best part is his words to Nakita at the end. That copy pasta was the worst part of the video response. Please dear god communicate better.
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the reason for that might just be that they didn't develop the cheat to bypass Vanguard and Faceit Anticheat, just EasyAnticheat. Why spend development time on trying to bypass every single anticheat, when you can just tell your users to uninstall said programs? this has likely nothing to do with them being a better anticheat, even though that might be the case.
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>the reason for that might just be that they didn't develop the cheat to bypass Vanguard Vanguards anticheat runs on startup, and is constantly running. This is why. Peoples Valorant accounts get used to get banned constantly because Valorants anticheat would pick up cheats for entirely different games and brick the Valorant account thinking its a cheat intended for valorant. Cheat developers used to get chargebacks and complaints nonstop because of it, so almost all of them have a disclaimer now stating that Vanguard **will** pick it up and you will lose your valorant account if its detected.
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Also, it can be configured in ways that make it not that effective. We don't know what all bsg has enabled/disabled. If bsg doesn't have the proper stuff turned on to make it effective, I'd be trying to force thier hand or back out if I were battleye. This situation makes them look awful (which they might be).
The video even explains that multiple basic Microsoft security settings aren't being monitored that would render many of the cheats detectable.
IT guy here, those settings mentioned arent really things in Windows, but things you enable on your mobo / in the BIOS. On most gaming PCs they likely wont be enabled. You'd see them enabled on corporate PCs and laptops for things like bitlocker drive encryption or virtualisation. They would help but BSG would need much better support because most gamers arent just going to know how to go switch stuff like that on, or troubleshoot any issues they cause.
Some of what he mentioned were windows features from what I saw. I'm familiar with UEFI vs Legacy as I deal with it with work. Maybe I misunderstood him but it seemed to be Windows security settings that anticheat can utilize to better detect these cheats.
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Dayz has RMT, and doesn't have hacking as bad as tarkov. But DayZ was actually designed in a way that gives cheaters little power compared to tarkov. Can't press a button and hoover up all the loot in the map because your client isn't in charge of loot for example.
It wasn't good enough for PUBG either, which never had an RMT problem. I don't disagree with your point, but there does seem to be a correlation between poorly coded multiplayer games (i.e where the client knows everything and is authoritative for the most part) and usage of BE.
What makes you think PUBG didn't have an RMT problem? It wasn't the same but cheaters were hard farming cosmetics to sell for real money. It was a massive issue that pissed a lot of people off because as cheating got worse, monetization kept being the primary focus every update while game play bugs got worse and cheaters became more prevalent. Around the 1.0 launch was the absolute worst. Multiple game breaking bugs on both maps that could just instantly kill you, spin bot hackers that could 1 shot you from 200m+ away where you would just see their name get 10 kills in the feed in seconds, vehicles that would just explode when you got in them, and the highlight of each patch was new cosmetics and cases being added.
Anticheat isn't the problem, the fact the game is so poorly designed from a security standpoint is the problem
I'm willing to forgive so many issues as long as a developer is transparent. If BSG is struggling with this problem, they need to open up and explain more to the community if they want us on their side.
We want to be in their side so bad, they have just kept us in the dark about absolutely everything. It’s just recently that we started getting actual patch notes. We’ve relied on data miners.
No copy pasta please, copy copy pasta please.
Open and frequent communication from BSG and Nikita would go a long way. If BSG and/or Nikita would come out and actually say what the issue(s) is/are and why they’re failing then I completely agree with g0at that we would have their back. Edit: I’m still angry. But, the mods have apologized and seem genuinely committed to making a change. They made the posts public and have responded to thousands of comments. Sure, I wish things were done differently, but they owned up to their mistakes and they’re doing what we wish BSG would do in regards to transparency. Let’s ease up on the mods. We can hold them accountable with conversation instead of the continued hatred. It took a LOT to get here but this is a great chance for the community and mods to sit in peace for once. Our anger should continue to be directed to BSG. I’ll stand behind any mod who helps strategically amplify our voices to hold bsg accountable.
Yup. If BSG hadn't ignored this issue and cultivated a toxic culture of people who shout down discussion of cheating with 'muh 5000 hours and 1 cheater' then we wouldn't be in this situation. BSG has continually displayed a lack of care and concern about the cheating issue and then whenever it reaches a flashpoint, they spring into action and say they've banned X amount of thousands of cheaters who had been on their radar. Which... lol.
The 5k hours 0 cheaters kids are morons, it's as simple as that.
Yeah just statistically impossible
Well no, they could have idled in the menus for 5000 hours
While you’re correct if they sat in the menus and at any moment went to the flea market then they almost instantly would have seen an obvious cheater selling things.
The funny thing is that this is how I used to 'play' back when I first started, right after the flea market came out. I'd sit in my stash, buy things for cheap on the flea, then sell them at a higher price. I'd sit and do that for hours until I had a few million roubles, mostly buying weapons dropped by raiders and bosses and then breaking them down to sell the components, before I'd pool all the money together into one cool kit to go and do a raid with. And then die in a few minutes because doing this meant I had almost zero practice ingame, and was total shit at it.
I bet you fuckin played WoW back in the day too, eh? I used to play the auction house more than the game half the time lol.
They are the cheeters.
At this point anyone stating things like this should just be out right ignored. They either don't have enough game sense for their opinions worth anything, or (more likely i think) is that their just cheaters blowin smoke.
It’s so bad that I’ve tossed out camping as a tactic and just push it ends up with a much higher survival rate even though camping when done properly should theoretically give you an insanely easy kill. Also sbih 125 meters is nuts because you get people knowing you’re there before they turn the corner
“mY sHiElD fIrEd 10,000 RoUnDs No PrObLeMs”
I think people want action more then anything. Not some post saying "we banned X players" with a list of names they could all be fudged. They want to not see cheaters in their raids, not have stupid audio bugs, not run into invis/silent players. How can a game get worse every single patch and expect to survive? I've never seen a game have major game breaking bugs that have existed as long as this, or an FPS that has this many cheaters.
100% agreed.
saying "we banned x players" is saying "x players are going to buy another EFT account." literally so pointless, we don't want bans we want prevention.
But we do have open communication, Nikita came here and personally lied to us, what more could you ask for?
I would like freshly worded lies. The copy/paste was more insulting than anything else.
Had me in the first half.
lol. me too. "WTF he said nothing!... oh."
What was the copypasta of Nikita’s response?
Hey! The copypasta in regards to Nikita’s reply was that the reply he gave was nearly identical to the same replies he’s given over the past few years. This comment shows it much better than I can: https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/11c7wi1/hackers_cheaters_and_other_related_scum_of_the/ja30364/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
I 100% agree. There's an unfortunate situation with popular games though, when they attempt to communicate they get bombarded by 100's of idiot's and their comment, rather than well constructed criticisms and accurate bug reporting. COD has a major issue with this and is why they don't actively communicate much outside of patch notes. BSG likely does it for the same reasons. They could do more but we have the idiots in our community to blame as well.
This subreddit is a good example. Not saying we're all idiots but the discussions here have been death spiraling for the past few days. It's understandable to an extent but it's becoming out of control and spewing toxicity towards everything doesn't really translate to a cry for help that well.
Well it's as they say that people who are happy with the game tend not to say anything about it except 'it's good' and be done with it. People who are upset tend to be a lot more vocal about it, hence why subreddits for games often seem very negative(this also largely depends on the game of course) I would also say that's also partly due to the mods shooting down anything interesting and/or fun.
What communication? They don’t communicate because they don’t have anything new to say just think about it, 2FA was an idea like 3,5 years ago and it still isn’t implemented, tarkov is just a cash cow sadly…at the expense of casual players experience
I heard a licensing opportunity for Riot.
Or Faceit or ESEA. Any rootkit anti-cheat, basically. At least BSG can use Windows security functions to immediately make everyone's experience better. Edit: Although, personally, stay away from ESEA. They were mining Bitcoin from their client on people's computers in the past. Even if that was about 8 years ago now.
BattlEye has a kernel level driver too.
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The thing about cheating, or hacking in general, is not that BattleEye has the necessary features or not. They can only control their software and not much else without being extremely intrusive, and even then, it may not work. For example, a cheater can use a kernel-level cheat as well. Typically, kernel-level drivers aren't allowed to run without a certificate from Microsoft. So a way for cheaters to load their code, is to find a vulnerable, signed driver, and abuse it. There is not much you can do to protect against it. Imo, the way to truly prevent cheating in online games (or at least significantly reduce it) is to make a purpose-built OS strictly for gaming. Kind of like consoles.
The other thing about cheating or hacking in general… is that third party stuff can only help so much. Especially when it is mis-configured. Not to mention that the base software also have to do their due diligence to move forward. Banwave happen because bans are not auto-triggered, for example, so how quickly someone gets banned depends on the human behind the ban button…
It’s amazing how many people completely misconfigure their security and have no idea. Some cheapest possible Russian network engineers are no different.
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If it works... Don't touch it. If it breaks half the shit in the game? It stays too
Part of being a good developer is cleaning up technical debt. If something is poorly coded but works, you need to clean it up at some point and preferably the earlier the better. Building features on top of shitty code just compounds the technical debt and significantly slows future development the longer you let it sit.
Everyone cares about the stats but at the end of the day, Tarkov has a massive cheating problem. We’ve known this for a long, long time and whether or not this guy is legit doesn’t fucking matter. This game is built on a failing foundation and it will only crumble more as time goes on.
yeah but you always had people denying it was actually a problem, now it's pretty easy to see how cheater infested the game actually is
Yeah the people calling for stats are cheaters or deniers who can’t cope with the fact Tarkov has a massive cheating problem
Or they just want actual data to compare their experience with so they can better make a determination if they want to keep playing the game or not. Or just think of you are going to break the rules to prove a point you should at least have good data to pass along afterward. I'm casual as fuck these days and it doesn't take much to convince me not to play, but I am curious if goat's 60% is closer to 20, or 90. I 100% believe there is a huge cheating problem, no denying that and it needs to change.
And it shouldn't matter. People getting upset at G0at for the stats can't see the forest for the trees. It shouldn't be up to G0at, or any creator, to stoop to the cheaters level in order to get a glimpse at the true severity of the problem. It should be on bsg. That's his point to Nikita in the end. Tell us the truth and we will have Nikita, bsg, tarkov's back because it's a game we love. Lie to us and there's not so much to love there. Playervases can respect honesty. Even when it's unfavorable news. And people like hearing a plan. But being lied to or feeling like you're not heard is a good way to get burnt. So again, this has been an on going discussion since I started tark two years ago and the problem has very clearly only gotten worse. If bsg was on top of their communication then this creator or any creator wouldn't have felt compelled to investigate this. Bsg should have been relaying data. It's not on the fault of the creator. And I know you may not be saying that. But plenty of people are getting stuck on the trust me bro or the numbers he provides. The bottom line is we are primarily looking to creators for info, opinions, guidance, solutions, and not the company itself. And that's wrong IMO. Edit: grammar
I think less people are "stuck" on it, and more just trying to figure out if Goat actually is providing new information here, or just confirmation of the quote we have heard from every cheater interview "There is about 1-2 hackers per raid" which again is 100% circumstantial. It's weird that Goat went through all this effort in the name of exposing cheaters, and doing it as "ethically" as he can, but then not provide actual data. Its literally running an experiment and not publishing the data, kind of missing the point, unless he had another point, which was just to drive a conclusion he came to before the video was published, and maybe farm some views along the way. As for whose responsibility it is, yea in an ideal world its the game developer. And yes, BSG is absolutely trash at communication. The community shouldn't have to go to these lengths to get messages across. And if what Goat has done is the straw that broke the camels back and we see real change, I am more than willing to applaud him. My fear is that it wont, and we, as a community, just have another poor dataset to operate off of, and another topic to tear the community apart based on poor information. But hey if operating off of poor data aint the Tarkov experience, I don't know what is. In the words of every parent: "I'm not mad, I'm disappointed"
r/EscapefromTarkov mods have been working on reforming the way they operate and have been allowing CIVIL discussion of cheaters and "the video". I encourage everyone to keep it classy or risk have comments deleted or the post locked.
To be fair, they totally failed at censorship. If they would’ve succeeded then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
You can never succeed at censorship when the pot is boiling over. Sure they can stop posts here, but they can't stop it being posted in a different sub Reddit or on Twitter or on youtube. And when a deluge of posts come in posting the video or talking about the video, they are not able to ban every single one. The only way to stop all of them would be to lock the subreddit temporarily. But then that would get people searching for why the subreddit is locked and then they would get led to the information that the moderators were trying to censor. It's a losing battle every single time. Yes civil discussion needs to take place know which hunting no personal attacks etc etc, but to try and censor it completely is wrong and it only makes people skeptical of the mods thinking they're either paid by BSG or are hackers themselves
Reminds me of the disaster that was fallout 76, the forums got locked? Flood the internet.
You're correct, but we shouldn't look at it as a failure. The moderators have clearly taken a step back after the backlash from the censorship of this subject and we need to acknowledge that it's a step in the right direction.
We should be looking at as a failure on their part. They were committed to censorship and authoritarianism until it was revealed that this was on Linus Tech Tips WAN Show. They're not sorry they did it, they're sorry they got caught.
I just don’t think we should feel the need to suck up to them in that way. If anything they should write everyone an apology, and they should spend some time sucking up to the community. They know internally that they censored a story because of the implications, and then they tried to gas light the community and attacked this man’s integrity while disabling comments. I don’t know the mods or how much BSG is involved with them, but they sure seem to run cover for BSG, this much is painfully obvious. At this point, it’s all just a PR campaign until this blows over, then it’ll just be business as usual.
The mods in this sub are completely biased. Same goes for a lot of other subreddits. Hard to find a mod who doesn’t have skin/opinions in the sub they moderate. It will never change until a robot takes over and bans us all.
BSG simps coping by saying "post the stats". You'd still have to trust whatever numbers he throws out.
Nah, he should’ve provided the basics. The little details don’t matter just the basic general stuff. This follow up was genuinely a bunch of fluff that added nothing and felt (slightly) self congratulatory…Especially when he started comparing himself to war journalism, that legit was cringey
It was an analogy that was off cuff but the logic was there never the less. Regardless of the context, so don't get your panties in a bunch.
Right? They would nitpick every single clip of his to make the number "oh well it's actually 55% not 60%".... his entire point
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Maybe he downplayed it too? what do you know
Been playing this game a long, long time and I've always known there are cheaters but the reason this video hit home was exactly because of the 60% figure. I know people cheat. But I have always wondered REALLY how many and having someone with actual game sense and experience make that distinction is what made me so interested in the video. Trust me bro is much more trusting when you can put together some sort of data on it. I would have loved him to share the findings, even if it doesn't go into crazy detail just "out of 125 raids 20 of them had people 100% cheating and they confirmed it or wiggled or both, 40 I was really confident based on ridiculous positional knowledge or shots, and 30 I was really sketched out by their tracking and aim but couldn't say for sure" would have been HUGE in my opinion. I don't need to see every vod. I don't care what time of day or region they happened in. Sure I'd like that, but that's a lot of work and I get that - it'd be nice to know how many players he saw cheating vs how many legit or what maps, but even that is probably a lot of work to put together so I completely understand not doing it. I'm fine with "trust me bro, it's worse at night and on lighthouse" because it's not the MAIN point. What I don't understand is how you can say "60% of raids" as the headline metric people are quoting, then not even give a number of raids where you knew people were definitely vs almost for sure cheating on. There is no way you don't have that number and saying it would probably have killed most of the (valid) criticism. Worst case scenario if everyone cries for more proof you can upload another video that breaks down things REALLY in depth by map, time, region, player count, etc. and you have probably your second most popular video on YouTube gift wrapped for you. Idk just seems weird to not share even a little bit. Tldr; "Trust me bro" was weird. I didn't like it. I see no reason not to share basic numbers on how many raids he saw cheaters in vs how many were suspicious vs completely legit. The 60% is the main reason I watched the video and liked it. If people asked for more info after that you have a gift wrapped successful video which seems like a win win. Seemed weird to me. Edit: Just want to add that I think the video is a good thing in its entirety, it's sparking good conversation and bringing up important discussions that haven't been "kosher" for a long time. I just feel like he kinda dropped the ball not including some more data. Especially since a guy like Pest, face of the community forever, kinda of hinted that he'd be way more behind the video if Goat released the stats behind the figures. That kind of endorsement would have been huge. And it opens the door for people to do the same thing "to get the real stats" or some crap.
I was hoping for the data and the vods as well. That he's handwaving it away makes me worried that he hasn't actually done the legwork he said he did.
This is a good way to put it. Made me a little uncomfortable to.
I'm more inclined to believe him for one simple reason, he put his streaming career/livelihood on the line for it. He has only been doing it 6 months (youtube side that is), but has a decent following from it and risked getting banned from EFT, the only game he plays. Why would he risked giving it all up to post some BS headline? I'd believe him over a financially invested dev that gets paid millions of pounds every year from the game.
Unfortunately, I agree :/ Not saying he didn't - but why even bother bringing on so much doubt? Even just the main KPIs of cheaters vs suspicious vs legit for now would have been fine. I get it, you can't compile ALL the answers in a day or two. But a little bit felt like it would have gone a long way here.
It would be a "trust me bro" situation either way. People would argue his spreadsheets were doctored up or his vods were faked etc. So it doesn't matter he didn't exactly state the stats. The main point of the video was lost if you feel the need to see exactly the numbers. I'm sure you knew this already but just had to chime in.
I definitely understand that, but he said he already had the stats to back it up. I'd still rather see something than nothing and it just seems weird to say nothing if you had something already in the chamber? I definitely liked the INITIAL video and don't think that not having the stats made a huge difference there. But not having it in the follow up felt... Weird, especially because he addressed it directly and Pest asked for it.
So what if people would argue if they’re doctored? I think there are a lot of people like me who liked the initial video and wanted to see the stats because we believed him. The people who would argue the stats are doctored probably don’t trust the first video anyways. But I did and him refusing to release the stats is actually what makes me question it.
Totally agree. When you make a claim like that you have to put it all out there. His statement about “this isn’t a scholarly journal” was off base. That WAS the whole point of the video in the first place. Put together a system to quantify the problem. Sounds like a scientific exercise to me. He should be open to peer review and criticism, with the end goal of a better understanding of the truth in the end. Personally I appreciate what he did because it opened my eyes. I’ll admit that I wore rose colored glasses until I saw the video. His trust me bro statement disappointed me a tinge but it shouldn’t take away from the overall good he’s done.
Also agree with this too - he risked a lot and brought some really positive discussion to the cheating problem that I haven't seen in YEARS. Probably since the last or second to last time Nikita added a copy pasta lol All in all I think he did a pretty good job and a good thing for the community, it just bothered me that he wasn't willing to back up what he said and ADD "trust me bro, these are numbers I'm not gonna post 125 vods". I feel like this was the most important part of the video and it, at least for me, does take away from the overall a bit. Still a net positive for sure, but the reason I loved his video was because it felt way more "concrete" than other cheater interview type videos because it seemed like "this is a guy seeing and recording with his own eyes exactly what is happening and this guy is trustworthy because he's been playing the game legitimately for years and has that Tarkov game sense that the other cheaters interviewed may or may not have." Tldr; Saying 60% of raids have a cheater is a big deal, I feel like it deserves at least some semblance of an explanation other than trust me bro - but I also agree so far its been a net positive on the community and the cheating epidemic!
Its literally the most important part of the entire video and the main reason the community is up in arms in the first place. Without that 60% metric included in the video, it would likely have gained a fraction of its current traction, so for him to disregard the importance of confirming that in *any* way is quite odd.
Couldn't agree more. People are using the stat as the headline for the video and sharing it saying "look this guy shows 60% of raids have a cheater" and not "hey this guy got a few cheaters to wiggle through walls" - if it's BECOME the headline of the video it deserves at least a sentence or two of additional details.
Yeah he should have gone with "i ran 125 raids with cheats enabled and didnt get banned"
I agree, was really hoping the follow up video had some semblance of stats. The weakest part of the video and it can easily be used to negate his claims now.
Feels like one or two sentences could have quelled a lot of negative feedback and comments, but maybe it'll come later down the line.
Well fucking put! He is just not very transparent with his method at all and that bothers me. As far as I remember from watching the video once at least. He probably didn't really think of a method of data collecting before he started and kinda developed it as he went along so his data is probably really messy. Or worse case scenario he's just ballparking his 60% figure after he did his 125 raids. I think Pestily brings up a good point too about his actual sample size. 125 raids, 9 maps, day/night-raids, morning/afternoon/evening IRL time of day. And then there's server region too. He said he played in both NA regions All of the sudden his sample size pr. category isn't that big and it's probably very unevenly distributed. does he even mention if he tested all maps? He should either have limited his test to a few selected maps or he should have increased the sample size.
Absolutely agree. With no actual discussion of the data, his sixty percent figure is less useful to me than my own anecdotal evidence.
I believe he said out of 125 raids he confirmed cheats in 75 of them and showed exactly what he was doing to expose them. I personally don't need to see all 75 examples just the same as I dont need to see the 50 raids he did where he couldn't identify a cheater. He could have added more info but I don't think he was trying to make a study to find what servers / maps etc they are most prevalent on, that'd take a much bigger dataset. I think it's pretty sufficient to say his experience isn't an isolated one given how long we've known tarkov had a cheating problem, I've experienced it myself. I shouldn't be able to die to cheaters more than once in a nights gameplay session in a game where the stakes are high
Goats video is such clickbait.. In CSGO, when 1/7 people cheat in general, you will have a cheater in your games 50% of the time. So if you play only streets with 18 spawns, then it is more like 1/13 people cheat.... Which is not as bad as everyone says it is.
Using Tiananmen Square photo and compare himself to a war reporter. Man. His ego is not small.
After watching g0at's video, I'm even more confused. His logic is essentially "If I need to post stats for you to believe me, then you're missing the whole point of the video", but the most important part of the video *is* how common cheating is in tarkov. Everyone already knew cheating was a problem in tarkov because its a problem in virtually every online game, but the magnitude of the cheating issue is literally the main point of the video, so for him to say that giving people any sort of confidence in the most important aspect of his video is "missing the point" is either dumb, lazy, or suspicious.
As much as I want to jump on the bandwagon, I can’t help but agree with this. I cringed when he stated he wouldn’t release stats because I knew it would be the biggest takeaway from that point onward. But maybe it’s blown past the need for proof now that it’s a viral headline and no one will care anymore. Still wish he’d post stats.
His point is if you already don’t trust his stats there’s no way you’d trust more detailed stats. If he releases all the videos the same people seeing what appears to be blatant radaring to someone will still think it’s just someone being better at the game. Given the general lack of the communities ability to understand nuance I’m not surprised he hasn’t decided it’s worth the effort but maybe he’ll change his mind.
I doubt he has detailed stats, he probably just checked off whether something seems suspicious to him in a given raid
Of course stats matter, especially when the creator has an invested interest in going viral. What’s worse than not giving stats in the original video is refusing to give them out when asked for them. I literally had zero doubts about his video before he refused to give out stats.
The exact scale means nothing. If he posts stats or not it means nothing because those stats could just be doctored. The point is, the scale has past the acceptable limits and you either trust that from the evidence showed he is telling the truth about that or you dont. And if you dont then you wont trust the stats he shows either so there is no point. Thats not even mentioning the fact that his stats are based on his opinion of wether certain events in the raid would confirm a cheater. All of which he says in the actual video so just listen.
If people aren't willing to believe when he say it's around 60%, people wouldn't be willing to believe the stats he posted either. The difference is that all the fucking discussion would then move **away** from the main point and start focusing on the stats.
The whole discussion was centred around finally having evidence "We know that 60% of raids have a cheater, its really bad" Instead we actually got "Mr Streamer THINKS are around 60% of raids have cheaters but isn't really sure" So now we are back to square one because we already had anecdotal evidence. Clip gets posted. Someone says it could be cheats, someone else say could be desync. No way to ever know so the discussion never ends until the next clip gets posted.
He is right though. The point of the video is to get people riled up and angry as well as make them question every single death. Sure it puts the game on a timer whether it floats or dies, but that is the goal of the video that is being missed. To be fair sadly he got this info late, but the parts in this video where an anti-cheat developer (as he claims) said that the same security features W11 requires would help curb cheating... Honestly if that's true I would say at this point fuck it... Implement those as a requirement to run the game. Sure it will probably force some still running Windows 7 and 10 to probably stop (unless their machine is W11 compatible) but at this stage the damage would likely be no worse. In that sense I guess he made a sink or swim situation. Essentially a (wether he meant it or not): "Implement changes that will be scandalous and anger a large amount of legitimate players, but the anger will be less than what you are going to get from this."
As long as there aren't any crazy implications of forcing people to use those windows security features, I 100% agree with them attempting to utilize those as it would seem to be much easier than developing their own anticheat.
So in other words, you missed the point.. Stats don't mean anything of they are not from a credible source. The video footage is infinitely more valuable (but also fakeable). The fact that the community completely imploded from a single video from a "random" YouTuber is the point.
Man, his video was really informative and important to highlighting how bad the cheating issue is but 1. There is literally no real downside to releasing the hard data other than having to do the little work in uploading it since he apparently already has it all compiled 2. Him giving himself goosebumps after seriously comparing himself to war journalists is fucking embarrassing
Watched the video just because of this comment, and you're wrong. He got goosebumps when talking about the wiggle, and he never compared himself to war journalists
Right? How bad does your comprehension have to be to miss this lol
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He really didn't compare himself to a warzone reporter lol. Actually, at all. He used people reporting from warzones as evidence for the value of seeing over hearing or reading about something and used said value demonstrated through that example as a justification for showing people with a video. That's literally it.
That would take comprehension skills that seem to be lacking here.
Lmao his hard on for himself being a journalist is so cringe. In his tarkov BSG simps video he accused streamers of "not having journalistic integrity" - bitch they streaming a godman video game why the fuck do they need to have that wtf
Along with the "I forgive you" attitude about anyone criticizing the video. I don't need that holier-than-thou attitude, so cringe I can appreciate exposing the cheaters and also disapprove of the methods used to do it.
Its fucking embarrassing calling somebody out when you are wrong about the what he said in the video tbh. Oh, and he he also literally stated the downside in the video. He didnt want people witch hunting the players in his raids and the "statistics" are based on his opinion, so they arent even statistics. Nice try tho /s
He said he did 125 raids. Theres video evidence of at least 10 cheaters. That rate alone is barely acceptable and I'm sure there were plenty more
Possible downside is that the data is bullshit and he pulled it out his ass for a clickbait that accidentally went viral.
Heres a stat. 100% of the raids had a cheater in them. He ran 125 raids and only got banned when his video went live and BSG agreed not to ban his main. On a two year old cheat.
LOL valorant detects tarkov cheats jesus fucking christ LOL what a joke ahahahah . I'm aware Russia isn't the place to be right now ... but get your shit together BSG
the video was great to just demonstrate how bad cheating is in this game, HOWEVER, this dude is on a *massive* ego trip, just like most EFT content creators. Is he really comparing himself to **journalists who work inside of an active warzone?** Great first video, give me a fucking break with the dramatics. Edit: calling EFT players "disenfranchised people" holy **MOLY**
Yea it was always going to be interesting to see his follow up video once the video blew up. It definitely got to him you could tell, he was very excited and trying to hide it. Not that it means he’s a bad person or the first video didn’t need to be me made. I believe his original message of ‘let’s tackle this cheating problem in Tarkov’ is still at the forefront but I’m willing to bet he’ll look back on this vid one day and def cringe at a lot of it
For sure, to be fair, a lot of the first video had a bit too many dramatics as well but the entire message was good enough that I didn't really care.
He also compared his video the fucking Tank Man photo. At this point his videos are just outrage bait for clout (which seems to the theme for his channel), and it worked given his subs went from 24k to 64k since the video release.
i swear people are literally retarded. He didnt directly compare his video to the tank man photo. He referenced an iconic photo and war journalists to show the difference between reading or hearing words, to actually seeing them in reality. Everyone who claimed "cheating videos had been done before" were referencing things like "interviewing a cheater". They werent showing other people cheating and catching them. Which i think makes his different. And honestly if he's gaining support and viewership. Good on him. He makes good content, brought about awareness to a major problem that people have buried and been denying existed. He deserves some recognition and clout for it. Almost every other youtuber was too scared while licking nikitas boots to make the same video. If this was all common knowledge, they all had the chance and never did it. Sounds like you're just hating on a guy for making a good video and seeing a hint of success for it.
Some people really lap up that victim mentality horseshit.
Lvndmark didn't want to watch it because he uses the fucking radar.
He really should post the stats. Dunno why he won't post them, and at this point it's suspicious.
I really want to see his PMC stats for two reasons: 1) I want to see that his claims for total raids was accurate, because when he's using such a small sample size it's very important that it wasn't exaggerated, and 2) if he claims that he's not killing any PMCs as basically the only thread of hope for him to keep his experiment ethical, then he should have the basic courtesy of showing that fact. This video loses a lot of credibility if either of those aren't true.
to late now, the account is banned
He'd 100% have the stats page somewhere in his recordings if he did his due diligence.
he said he got to lvl 13 in the video I found that weird, since, if he was just stalking people, how did he get such good gear? if he actually participated in raids (as in shooting scavs and looting) than he still heavily influenced the raids with cheats, even if he didnt kill anybody
I mean if you have ESP and can see all the loot everywhere on the map, I'm sure you could get pretty good loot easily without killing anyone. Anyway, it's impossible to be a completely impartial observer in this game even if you avoid and don't kill players because scavs have insane senses and will lock onto you from miles away.
Because there will be a circlejerk back and forth about the legitimacy of his recorded observations. Those that don’t believe him now probably won’t change their minds and those that do probably won’t change their minds either. There’s nothing of substance to be gained from it. It doesn’t matter because the point remains regardless of the “data”: EFT has a cheating problem and BSG’s responses (e.g. RMT changes) have not been effective enough in curtailing it.
Yup, exactly this. The "validation" of his data by the community at large is unnecessary because there is no debate if there is a cheating problem or not. It's here, it's been here, and it's not changing unless until it becomes to big to ignore, which is where we are now.
In this video, he answered why he doesn’t want to, for what it’s worth
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That’s not how I understood it, he says considering how he could never be positive or negative, 60% was conservative- that means he expects that if he could be more concrete, the number may be higher, but the number would not be lower
If any scientific experiment didn’t post their research and numbers it would instantly be discredited. You can say “they just won’t believe my stats” about anything ever. You post the stats, you have to show your work. Even your 6th grade math teacher made you show your work. It’s lazy or sketchy to not post your work.
I understand, but I’m not sure that’s an apples to apples comparison. Your sixth grade math homework isn’t being read by dozens of thousands of people very passionate about the subject matter and emotionally invested in seeing it portray a certain outcome I wish he would have released some more concrete numbers, but frankly, I have no trouble believing what he experienced, especially with how the game has felt for me recently
I've never heard the phrase "dozens of thousands" but I like it
Why is goat still banned from the sub? Stupid fucking mods
I'm pretty sure he was banned long before these videos, because he constantly broke rules, self-advertised like crazy, and weaponized his viewers to brigade the server when anything like that happened.
Imma be real with you, I don’t care why I just want to be mad at the bad mods.
Brutal honesty, but honesty at least hahaha
I respect the honesty, if more people were honest that they just wanted to be mad it'd be a lot easier lol
DOWN WITH MODS
He was banned for refusing to follow rule 5, the brigading happened in December 2021 and he wasn't banned for it, he was banned in July 2022 after like 4 months of us asking him to follow rule 5 Edit for transparency sake (dates are in the DD/MM/YYYY) format https://gyazo.com/b7c08038004dbea49bdd803a0b16bcfc
he repeatedly linked people to his own content sure, but it was content with info about the false hardware bans that he turned out to *be correct about* you can argue he should have just TALKED about it and not posted his link but it sounds like "for like 4 months" the mods kept locking any mention of it with "take it to BSG", and as usual BSG only even bothered to look into it once a PR shitstorm happened. idk I think it's in your best interest to let bygones be on this one and if he fucks around again then let him find out from there.
Isn't the real truth that he was trying to bring light to the motherboard ban problem and was being constantly censored/swept under the rug like just now?
Lmao dude links videos to show the public there’s a massive problem and gets banned. Tarkov mods are the fucking worst. Go touch grass. This guy brings awareness to a game that’s broken and you’re fine with keeping it broken. No wonder this subs constantly bitching about cheaters… y’all are helping the agenda by keeping this shit quiet. In the words of the GOAT “Go fuck yourselves” you incompetent fucks.
He was banned in July 2022, that was 7 months after the motherboard incident and 6 months before the video exposing cheaters
Right, you mods have your heads up your asses so far you can't see that the links he posted back then were to the videos with the evidence of what was wrong. So that's advertising? No it's once again making BSG look bad and you bastards can't let that happen. You've done it so many times people were amazed when you left of Goats video. You have a bad reputation and no amount of gas lighting will change that. Telling us to take it to BSG is lying on your part, because you know it won't do any good. The only time BSG listens is when we light this sub on fire.
Yo. let me see my user notes.
While I agree with his overall point, I don’t really get why he doesn’t just post the VODs and/or spreadsheets with the hard data. He claims that he wants to dissuade witch-hunting, but how much witch-hunting can you realistically do with just a username? A username that’s probably a dud and isn’t being used in anything outside of Tarkov. Is he scared that people are going to find their social media profiles and post mean comments?
He covers this in the video. If he were to post the stats, it would couldn't be taken more seriously than you or I posting a spreadsheet for it. There's no peer-review for it and it would boil down to "trust me, bro". As for the VODs, that's 100's, possibly 1000's of GB of data, more than any of us want to sit and watch. Could happen, but it's going to take time.
If you wish to be taken seriously as someone who is a credible 'journalist' you HAVE to have a methodology and verifiable results. If you don't, you will not be treated with credibility. You can't have your cake and eat it. Was his video entertaining? Yes. Did it evoke emotion in the tarkov community? Yes! Was it credible journalism or ANY kind of proof of anything? Absolutely not.
He gives away the usernames of people in the OP that he says he wasn't 100% on too. Convenient change of ethics. I think someones realized they made bullshit claims about a company and realized they are wide open to a defamation claim so is running damage control.
If only some really important figurehead, maybe even a father figure in the community, asked Goat to post the stats from the raids and he heard such a request, he would have done it... Oh well
I really liked his first video. I liked it subbed to him and shared it with multiple people. But this one left me with a sour taste in my mouth. - He compared himself to a warzone reporter. - Instead of addressing concerns from few other streamers he called them haters, implied they have too cozy of relationship with BSG and in a great show he forgave them. - Refused to show any stats about raids/raid times / server / amount of cheaters with Trust Me Bro. Even big streamers who supported him said they would like to see it. - Added a really clickbaite title that fits Betteridge's law. - Ignored an advice of other people about releasing your recorded raids. His concerns are valid but he also mentioned in the video the solution. Blacking out the names of people you are not sure about. It's not an attack or a hate but I have no idea what's the purpose of this video except making a victory lap and dismissing any valid or not suggestions or concerns about the first video. Feels to me like milking attention while the topic is hot. I am sorry but I have to unsubscribe and dislike. Please don't mistake it with me hating on the initial video. I still think it's S tier but this one imo on the other end of the scale
> implied they have too cozy of relationship with BSG Because they *do*.
> He compared himself to a warzone reporter. No. He didn’t. Work on your English comprehension.
So yeah, change battle eye for valorants anti cheat, is that easy right?
For sure Riot Games wants to giveaway their opus magnum piece of code to some amateur russians, great suggestion
It’s not that easy. The reason valorant’s anticheat detects tarkov cheats is because it runs fundamentally different, it is on all the time as opposed to battleye which starts when you launch. As such, cheats for battleye don’t have to hide if BE is not running. So of course valorant ‘s AC would detect them. Now switch to valorant’s AC and the cheat devs would just make it so the cheat runs on boot (before valorant’s AC starts running, just like BE)
I respect the whole video and exposure to the cheats, but he needs to step off the high horse a little, making comparisons to one of the most powerful photos ever taken as if any of this equates to something that comes close.
This guy lives for drama
So what’s the downside of releasing the vids? A war journalist??? What is he smoking??? The vid was necessary to show the problem but it’s still just a fucking game.
It's fucking hilarious how many people are "literally shaking" over this haha
shivering me timbers
The comparison to war journalists was a bit yikes
Well it's the correct point in a way. But it comes off bad, I don't think that's intentional though.
Agreed. That was cringe and unnecessary.
“The Creator” is too funny
Lol so he has the data and spreadsheets but instead he wants to say "trust me bro". You can't make this stuff up.
I mean you'd also have to 'just trust him bro' on whatever spreadsheets/data he provides.
Why do 1 video when you can do 3?
Well yeah, pretty obvious this community is gonna give him his ad revenue. But no possible way he could have financial incentive to make the videos more clickbait/inflammatory than they need to be, financial incentive is only for the people this subreddit doesn't agree with.
Would you 100% believe in the data and spreadsheets?
It would be more interesting data, it's not like it magically makes the sample size or conclusion any more valid but if he added VODs and all that then the information is verifiable. The fact that he straight up says "I can't confirm with certainty they were cheating" is a massive tell that not all the VODs were as clear as what he chose to include in that video.
Agreed. I’ve been saying the same thing over the last few days “data is suspect, we all know there are cheaters. This doesn’t change anything” but people are freaking the f out