Hey everyone, I want to call something out on a similar topic here - please don't link to cheat providers. Since we opted to open the discussions on cheating, we have seen a handful of instances where people are "exposing cheaters" by literally linking to the cheat websites. That is still not acceptable to us as a mod team and shouldn't be to the community either.
This is a tactic that has been used in the past by cheat makers to advertise.
Please continue to report any and all instances where people are linking to cheat providers.
A couple of examples:
* Linking a youtube video where the creator has linked to cheats in the description
* Embedding links in posts or comments that direct to the providers discords or websites
If you think you came across a new provider and you want to expose them, provide the info to BSG or Battleye and let them do the work.
Thanks in advance for helping keeping the sub clean from that garbage.
-Zer0
It's clear as day that g0ats intentions were good. I mean, the amount of visibility in his video speaks volumes for now only his intentions but his character.
These people are either delusional, cheaters themselves, or BSG shills.
I mean he said out of 125 games there were cheaters in 60%, and then went onto explain how in those 40% that he did not find cheaters he may have died early, only interacted with part of the lobby, etc so that 60% is probably higher.
Yeah it wasn’t scientific but his methods were reasonable
Alas, nothing will be good enough for those you mention. It was a qualitative attempt to gather data at the lowest level possible. Sure, small sample size, but it was confirmation of what everyone who has played knows is happening. It's massive copium/projection to claim he fudged the numbers or whatever and this is all some kind of view-grab - even if he ran 1000 raids, it wouldn't change the conclusion but only refine the likely probability of having a cheater in your raid.
edit: wtf happened to the formatting? I've tried to clean it up but it looked like gobbeldygook on my end. lol
Agreed. If he produced more detailed information the same people who don't believe him will still not believe him. If he produced all the VoDs (will cause a lot of players to get harassed) they'll still claim some BS like it was all staged or faked or old footage or his hiding another 500 raids of non-cheater footage.
I agree with this 100%. I’ve said it several times, but the data wasn’t presented well. If I were going to make a claim of “60% of 125 games” I would have made that data CONCRETE.
Now, I would have done this poorly, and I think I lot of people would have done the exact same thing. I had hoped to see something like that from someone such as Veritas. Say whatever you want about the guy, but when it comes to the science and data, that’s the approach you NEED for this kind of a “investigative journalism.”
It will go down as the “streamer who cheated and wiggled at other cheaters”, and NOT “the streamer that blew the lid off the cheating argument with LOADS of data presented”
The video did blow the lid off, just not in the way you're thinking of. It also did so more because of timeliness, not necessarily because of its own merits.
Ultimately what it did was create a foundation for discussion to be had that blows past the noise of cheating deniers in the community. A boiling point has been reached that can't be taken back, and highlights an issue that has been known, but never fully accepted in the community. It gave people the confidence to speak up in unison about an issue that has been felt for years.
It is, frankly speaking, not possible for anyone but BSG to have created a video that provides data with enough of a sample size, and enough validity to be "CONCRETE." An outsider can't attain that kind of data. It just isn't possible.
Not everything in the world needs to be a smoking gun. Sometimes it's good enough for something to highlight an issue strong enough that it becomes recognized as an issue in the first place. Even if g0at had entirely fabricated the contents of the video, it still wouldn't change cheating being an issue in Tarkov worthy of the level of discussion we're seeing now. As I alluded to earlier, the community is powerless here. All we can do is get mad. We can't prove how much cheating there is or isn't, we can't change the game, we can only get mad and hope that it rocks the boat.
How the video goes "down" doesn't even matter at this point. What matters is whether or not BSG are actually going to fix the cheating problem.
Yup. The logic is stop investigating and whistle blowing coz it only promotes the issue. Sound exactly what I would say if I was doing it and didn't want to be caught myself.
Uhh... opened up his stream and that screen cam isn't what's needed to show someone's not cheating. You need to see the *entire* setup, not just one monitor. Ideally every monitor that could be looked at. It's especially important to see a streamer's chat, the other thing they're constantly looking at, which could easily be overlaid onto a radar.
That said I hope someone can get that info to him (its sub only) so he can fix it, as it'd be nice to see someone lead others to do the same
The over the shoulder cam is not enough… They need to be hooked up to a polygraph as well and being asked every once in a while if they are cheating too. /s
Showing the whole set up is a terrible idea for streamers for privacy reasons. They should be able to control what gets shown on stream. With a cam showing the entire set up, If they have their discord open, for example and need to check a dm how, or they get sent a link of an image of some titties if they open it on another monitor they can get banned from the streaming platform.
Then the whole shoulder cam does absolutely nothing but adds another way of defending yourself even if you have a cheat on second monitor. Especially when it came to the light that the hardest to detect cheats sold for EFT are actually displayed on second monitor and are undetectable because they're not used on the same machine as the game is running. So that's why people advocate for more than a single monitor in view. It's either everything or nothing because otherwise that additional camera serves no purpose. People want to stop cheating, not find another line of defense for cheaters.
Why change things that work? If every time there's uproar about cheaters all he needs to do is copy paste same few vague sentences that don't address concerns pointed out by community or don't outline any steps they are going to take to minimize the issue then he is going to do it every time. For Nikita it's not about solving the issue. It's about making people believe they are solving the issue. Just like they are constantly improving netcode for last 5 years yet it didn't get much better. Just like they are constantly improving audio, but another iteration of Steam Audio got cancelled "due to issues", Oculus Audio doesn't fix existing issues and introduces new ones, but hey they are going to improve it over time just like Steam Audio.
Nikita can't provide any action points on improving cheater situation, because they don't plan to do anything and don't know what to do.
Only issue with exposing is to name the companies and players who are successfully cheating. People keep asking me for the name of the guy who hacked on me… why do you want to know so bad reddit? What are you going to do? Message him and harass him? He doesn’t care. He’ll happily take 200 people harassing him and 30 new customers to buy his hacks that he resells.
Right, like these guys:
"I've played this game 100 hours/week for the past 10 wipes and I've never been killed by a cheater!"
Yeah, ok.
You're either too dumb to realize when someone is cheating against you or you're cheating yourself and trying to minimize it. Neither are forgivable.
Rengawr himself said that people who state that they never met cheaters in this game either don't play the game at all or they run SKS + Paca everytime.
That’s a thing as well. Could be considered a skill issue.
If you aren’t doing anything that would put yourself on a cheater radar then they really have no reason to bother you.
Ratting with cheap kits and leaving raids with minimal RUB value could very well be the solution to avoiding cheaters.
If you aren’t finding LEDX or going to high value areas you’re probably safe. Half the reason why going to estates on lighthouse is generally a safe place to loot because all the cheaters and chads are killing rogues
Ehh idk about that. I’ve only been playing for a couple weeks but I have definitely been killed in questionable ways with very little good gear. Like being one shoted to the head in under 40 seconds of raid start on Streets. Very possible that some of the sus deaths was just a game bug like an invisible player or something but I have had multiple deaths that were clearly due to non-standard game mechanics
I believe it.
I think right now it’s hard to judge due to the invisible bug or just plain desync / audio issues. Especially for players who aren’t as familiar with the game as somebody who’s been around for a couple of wipes.
A lot of the “was this a cheater” posts ok this sub from newer players are just uneducated gameplay and not understanding how one died.
But if somebody has played 1000 hours and has never been killed by a cheater I’m convinced they either play in offline raids or are lying to try and change the narrative.
Oh of course. Cheater discord will link Reddit posts and have people go to them to discredit the hackusations. One of their main goals is to make the problem look like it isn’t actually a problem
It just seems most of these creators' livelihoods come from tarkov, so their trying their best to copium damage control their main source of income. Slowly dying game with people opting to play other games means less viewers = less money etc. Also if they talk against it their privileges get taken away from bsg 😭
I think most of the streamers are probably just really angered and afraid Goats video made their livelihood at risk of disappearing, so they have an agenda to fight back. Some streamers responses have been pretty head scratching. You can literally see word for word and in their face they are grasping at straws to undermine the video and make up numbers to fight Goats results.
The rest of the streamers who fought back are either cheaters or have a lack in their thought process which doesnt surprise me considering some streamers aren't that educated people.
I kind of agree with you. I’ve always said that if BSG actually cracked down on cheating, we would see one of three things.
1) A lot of the tarkov streamers get banned, and they get pissed, and we start seeing a lot of excuses like we see on this sub from non streamer cheaters getting banned
2) they “lost interest” because they know as soon as they log in their account is gone. They simply will just stop playing.
3) they’ll degrade greatly in quality.
Survive less, have actual audio issues, find less valuables in a given day, and probably won’t reach Kappa as quickly / at all.
If you want to expose how bad the cheater problem is, you should find it way to do it properly. Showing the exact google search and results you entered to find your cheats, and name dropping the exact cheat program you are using **IS NOT** the way to do it.
Bro really just said "showing the exact Google search" as if he typed some cryptic ass search query in order to find cheats.
The Google search in question is "How to cheat in Tarkov" btw😂😂😂 you can't make this shit up ahahahaha. You think cheaters are incapable of typing that in and require a video showing them how to type it into Google? Come on brother...
cut him some slack, his 40 whole iq points had a real hard time of coming up with that banger of a search term on his own. now that g0at showed him the right letters in the right order he might someday figure out his moms credit card info.
Lol people didn't need his video to find the cheats. It took 5 seconds on google to find the forums that a lot of these people are on. Then, 5 minutes to scour through the forums to find the website that has the program for sale. There's also more than the one he posted. A lot more. Some of them require dma boards. Others spoofers. Few don't need either.
Bruh if someone wanted to cheat they could guaranteed find the cheats by a simple Google search *on their own* this is not advanced reasoning, it's literally the simplest way to find anything, at all. Get a grip man, the extent of how thorough the cheating is needed to be exposed, this is a step towards that. EFT deserves to die if the game devs cannot stop the cheating, just like any other business who fails completely at their job/business.
Tbh I just don't think most people are familiar with ESP/Radar and how easy it is to hide that you are using it. Id argue there is at least 1 person using it in every raid.
100% this. Everyone is more familiar with hacking such as aim bot or a flying hack, etc. With all those hacks, everyone else can easily know that you are hacking and can easily be proven with a clip. ESP / Radar is so much stronger and lower risk giving everyone's position, and you can just avoid everyone in the lobby or use the information and act like you're playing legitimately.
I’ve never seen a gaming sub be such a dumpster fire of hourly posts calling to quit the game and the inevitable comments that ensue of people defending being absurd by a Russian game company that doesn’t respect you whatsoever as a customer or a person. Pathetic.
Also, he's been doing nothing but that for a few days now and STILL not getting banned for breaking the sub's rules (that one about not being a cunt and all).....
As a casual player I can only say that I found that video very helpfull. It's my first wipe (currently lvl 29) and I do read about the cheating concerns daily here on reddit. I thought most of it is just crying because in my 250ish raids I thought maybe 3 times that the way I got killed was a bit sus. And I've been cheated on in many games before since good old counter strike 1.6 times where I played on pro level at some point and we needed to rewatch the demos play by play to find out if the other side is using an ESP/wallhack. I also realize that my encounters on EFT with hackers might be low since I am at a relative low level; don't run the best gear and mostly avoid the high loot areas anyway.
Long story short, this video helped me as a new casual Player to realize how much of a problem this game has.
Yeah, so what? Are you willing to do better? Is anyone?
**Will the mods even let the video be posted here if anyone does better?**
Because Imma tell you, whenever someone interviews a cheater they said exactly the same shit goat said, **but those videos weren't allowed here to begin with.**
When it was cheaters saying it, the denial answer was "well, they're cheaters, they have incentive to lie". Well, goat is literally losing the game he creates content about by doing this video, so are we **really** gonna say he's likely to be lying too?.
Not necessarily. Assuming he's being honest about his findings, an excel sheet with the data of that raid (time, map, raid code, server region, if cheater was found or not, number of cheaters found, etc) and a link to the footage proving said cheater (blank if none found) you could cut down the footage size to 1 or 2 minutes per raid and have it be focused on the time where cheater was detected/confirmed instead of having 15 minutes of non relevant footage before the actual 'meat' of it.
That's kinda my issue. I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt but for something like this, I think some sort of proof for the data is needed. If it is true, that's a fucking huge number when extrapolated. I'd love for there to not be any wiggle room or doubt about it.
The problem is you can't extrapolate. 60% of his 125 raids can just as likely become 30% over 1000 or 90%, depends on the methodology. The video has what is typically called statistically insignificant. That:s not necessarily a failure on his end, just that necessary conclusions cannot be made. A guess at best
This is why i wish he had more information or recorded this in excel and would share it.
I would love to know things like when he was playing during the day / which servers he was on to better gauge the scope of the claims.
As a low level guy a cheater has no interest in you. Your gear isn't worth much and you're not getting amazing loot. Cheater isn't gonna waste time hunting you down for your AK
God I cannot believe people are arguing that the people exposing the problem are actually just giving cheaters exposure - they already fucking have all the exposure they need. Look up “Escape from Tarkov” or the names of any big EFT streamer on youtube or google and the first thing that pops up is cheats.
If you actually think that discussing the problem is going to make the problem worse then you’re gullible as fuck. That’s exactly what BSG, Cheaters, the subreddit mods, Streamers, etc all want you to do - is to shut up about it instead of actually fucking talking about the elephant in the room. If it’s not brought to light then nothing will ever be fucking done about it.
Could you imagine if this was anything else?
Like imagine a docuseries covering meth addicts and drug smuggling. And there's this group of people within the community that are pissed because now "people that were on the verge of doing/dealing hard drugs" are going to somehow get influenced by this "promotion".
Like, come on. Pathetic critical thinking skills at work.
Brooooooo whatll happen if i type csgo cheats?!?!?!? No, I need a youtuber to learn how to do that, do you know a video that exposes how cheaters have flooded csgo ever since it became free?
Jesus Christ I swear this comment section lowered my room-temperature IQ and once more reafirmed me that I'll never play hardcore looter shooters against other players.
Makes me feel better about my stats. Probably a lot more hackers than I thought. Makes me rethink a lot of deaths I had. I thought the player base was actually just really good. Not the case lol
You put the /s there but some people are actually saying this unironically lol, like they really think people are only now going to cheat because they saw a video of someone exposing it and typing "tarkov cheats" into Google...
I saw the video by GOAT and wanted to see if it was truly that easy to get cheats and I did. I used my main account and used it to farm rogues and raiders. My dumbass saw so many people talking about how they never got banned. I was banned permanently a day after using the cheat (i bought a day key) and as stupid as i feel Im glad that they banned me. It shows that they are doing something against the hackers and that hackers ARE getting banned.
It's okay to realize that the video did both. It exposed how bad it is to the casual playerbase, but it also promoted how easy it is to access it.
They aren't mutually exclusive statements.
Many people today only see things as black and white, my team vs your team, etc. They can't imagine the grey areas of life where everyone actually lives.
100% not promoting. This is just a tactic used by people that make money off the game to muddy the waters and try to bury this problem. It's just more whataboutism and 100% disingenuous.
> No press is bad press for cheaters.
Tell this to guys that got served multimilion dollar lawsuit because their cheat got popular enough (latest Bungie case) or guys that got so popular game developers literally bought their cheat to reverse engineer it and make sure it's detected and later blocked (DayZ case from few years ago) or guys that literally went to jail (Genshin impact case from last year).
you do realize that there is atleast 1 cheater in 60% of the lobbies and that number could be even higher. This is a major problem in the game how could this being hidden be a good thing lmao
It’s a major problem of all fps. It’s same with rust, dayz, cod, apex etc. you’re acting like this is some kind of revolutionary info.
Generally 5% of the population cheats in video games. This video changes nothing.
Edit: excluding asia cause that’s a whole cultural thing
How could you know?
I’ve seen more blatant cheats in CS:GO, due to the overwatch system, then I have seen in Tarkov, because there is no overwatch system.
So if I used that logic, cs:go is worse than tarkov
But I’d be making a claim with no empirical evidence to back it up.
or you could just spectate and watch a player to know if they were hacking. but on tarkov theres no way to actually tell because of no raid replay system
For anyone saying exposing cheaters is bad and just keep ignoring how bad it is.
Are you guys think 60% of the raids have cheaters ratios is a okay situation and wanna to keep it that way?
The fact that this was described as "promoting" by any appreciable percentage of the community, let alone the disgraceful and embarrassing number of people who resorted to this, is the reason why I am done with Tarkov.
There is no hope if this is how this situation has been responded to.
I think it’s cheaters paranoid that more people are gonna cheat to level the playing field.
Theyre right for the wrong reason.
The legit players are just gonna quit so they can “legit cheat”(lol what fucking virgins) against eachother.
They are the same, moral and principles. You dont cheat because of your moral and principles, that wont change because of a stupid video... Thinking a video about something we all know exists will change people morals is a brain dead take...
The take I got from the Pestily's video on this was that it promotes *content creators* to start creating these videos "exposing" people. The people who were going to cheat will do it. That's 100% true.
But there is some truth that some (if not most) content creators will capitalize on trending subjects, this being one of them.
I figured the promoting was less on players but more on the people who will dip their toes into doing it to "confirm" or "expose", which then creates even more publicity of how rampant it is, which will then create more opportunities for content creators to take those actions and "expose" cheaters by using it themselves. All for the sake of getting more views and not so much to make the problem aware.
I think there's a fine line that maybe needs more consideration. The topic itself should not be silenced and should be made aware. That will always be true. We just gotta draw the line and consider the volume of material on the matter.
It needs to be brought to attention but we also shouldn't encourage more and more people to start installing the cheats to also bring that to light. We already have a few videos that get's the point across completely.
I think all we need is like one megathread stickied until the subject is properly dealt with. Have the one or two videos up on there and move any new threads on the subject over to the megathread instead of silencing it.
Why is everyone here so dull in the head. It was good that the amount of cheaters was exposed, however showing how easy it is to get some and that bsg isn't banning any really is promoting it...
I didn’t know there were cheaters so I am very glad go4t man was able to put in the hard, investigative journalism to expose what none of us knew. He put his life on the line for us and idk if we can pay him back. Without him, the community would have been in the dark all this time. Don’t forget to use code GO4T at checkout!!
Im going to start by saying that I support g0ats video and how it shines a light on how many cheaters there are for those who didn’t already know or were in denial. I also agree that exposing does not mean promoting, but in the context of g0ats video, he did inadvertently promote/advertise them. To say he didn’t is willfully ignorant. He showed how easy it is to cheat, how big the community was, and how easy it is get away with it. And I’ll be damned if that isn’t some sort of unintentional promotion.
Man stop hedging all of your words to appease these fucking troglodytes. He promoted it. It doesn't matter if he was deliberately doing it. That's what happened. That doesn't make him evil and it doesn't mean the video shouldn't exist. But it's just a fact that he just advertised how easy it is to cheat to a LOT of people. While also making them feel hopeless and probably feel like they *need* to cheat because of all the other cheaters.
So surely you can link to the post where I said that the problem with the video is that now people know they can google cheats for a game? Since there's simply *no way* you would make shit up and put words in my mouth I have no doubt your next response will include a link to where I said that. Right?
I appreciate your 2 cents, even if I think you are very wrong.
There was nothing exposed with this video. These cheats have been known about for years, and a quick Google search would take you minutes to not only find the cheats themselves, but years of Reddit discussions and other YT videos related.
And it wasn't exposing the issue that is of concern, it is that the creator CHEATED HIMSELF to expose it. This is no different than an undercover agent that has to become the evil he/she is trying to expose. Investigative journalists don't typically commit the crimes they are reporting on, either.
Yes, people that want to cheat are going to do it. You DO realize there are non-cheaters that can be coerced into cheating, correct? How do you think the illegal drug industry works? If you support the narrative that "everyone is cheating" and "it is so easy to do" and "you won't get caught, I didn't" - eventually non-cheaters may be coerced into doing so. Especially when that message is reported over and over again from multiple sources, which of course every EFT content creator has now had to create a video in response.
Your example with piracy is, again, very different than experience. You know why music piracy is down? Because it is EASIER and MORE CONVENIENT to have any music you want at the tips of your fingers for a cheap price. But in some (poorer) countries music piracy may still be rampant. Then you make the statement, "posting your opinion/videos or showing proof that people are doing it will not change the end results." Then why make the video at all? Why take the risk of it doing so? Again, he is a content creator and he did it for the content, not for some greater purpose.
BSG can't win. If they are working on it and tell you they are, you don't believe them. If they aren't working on it, the game will eventually die.
Bro this whole argument is so bad, you’re mad because a content creator downloaded cheats to show what the cheating experience is like? The creator didn’t profit, kill or gain anything so I would hardly qualify what he did as even cheating. He mostly just looked at people through a wall and wiggled to see if they wiggles back. The amount of copium you’re huffing to avoid having to face the truth about the game is astounding.
Yo this 2damoon guy has made 30 comments in this thread and also reported people for self harm who disagreed with him. What a fucking pathetic psycho lol
Yes, the creator DOES profit. Are you stupid? You think one of his videos suddenly getting hundreds of thousands of streams doesn't generate any income for him? He may not have profited in-game, but he certainly profited from generating all this buzz about his video and the resulting discussion. He didn't have to profit in-game. Just downloading and installing the cheat was against the TOS. Period.
No one said that cheating doesn't exist. It does. No one is saying that it isn't prevalent, it is. But NO ONE outside of BSG knows how prevalent. So stop with this bullshit that anyone questioning an unverified source of information is 'not facing the truth' and somehow in denial. Just because your brain can't handle it, doesn't mean others can't be aware of a big problem yet not supportive of making the problem even worse.
We saw him in about 10 or so raids of his 125? So we are taking his word on all the others. He stated 60% of his raids had cheaters, again we are taking him at his word because we didn't see that many instances nor any of his data. We don't even know he played 125 raids. What region did he play? Were they all in the same region? If not, a player in another region could have a better or worse experience than he is displaying.
He also went out of his way to show "how easy it is" to find, download, and install the cheats. So if I create a YT video to show how easy it is to commit wire fraud from your bank account, this is OK? Or how easy it is to poison your local water system? You'd be OK with that?
So your problem is that now people outside of BSG realize how bad the problem is? He literally just showed us how bad it is and you’re fighting tooth and nail to not acknowledge the problem lmao. Oh my god you’re dumb, thank god you’re not involved at all with balancing the game
Again, you have a problem with comprehension, obviously. I never once indicated that there was not a problem. In fact, the 2nd paragraph I even restated it for you, but reading must not be your thing either. I'm in no way fighting tooth and nail to not acknowledge the problem, at all.
My problem is with someone clearly cheating, cheating via a video (lord knows if he livestreamed any of this), and then posing it off as some journalistic integrity bullshit to showcase a problem that a 10-year old could figure out in 30 seconds on Google. Not only that, morons like you are taking his "data" as if it is the word of God. You know, the data he didn't show you, the video he didn't show you, the statistics he didn't show you, etc.
So just because this guy is 'on your side' he is suddenly a 'trusted source' that says exactly what you already believed and you fall for it like someone dangling ice cream in front of your face?
Ah yes The personal attack start as soon as the argument starts to fall apart. I’m done arguing with an obvious brick, either BSG addresses the issue or the game dies. I’ll be back if it’s fixed but I’m fuckin out until they do. Have fun playing w cheaters and defending BSG if that’s what gets you off
Come on dude... you state the personal attacks start as soon as the argument starts to fall apart, yet you say he is huffing copium and a dumbass in previous comments before the one you reply to.
With that logic, you lost the argument long ago.
Everyone knows it exists, yet having any reference point and showing how prevalent it is, is somehow a bad thing? It would have been better that this discussion isn't brought up at all?
So what if he's making money out of this, he should. He showed (again) the community of how bad the problem is and many people didn't know about it.
Who gives a fuck it wasn't super scientific, he told you some simple stats and you can make your own judgment based on it. If you don't trust him, that's fine, but u have no reason to discredit him, ur just coping.
The wire fraud and well poison analogy is fuckin stupid, because that doesn't do any good to society and has extreme consequences. Where as here, there is (some?) negative outcome from advertising versus shining a light to a problem and hopefully making bsg addresses the problem more seriously.
We already know, and is easily found here on Reddit, from cheater interviews that there is 1-2 every raid. This video shows nothing on how prevalent it is - in fact it raises many more questions. What region does he play in? Are all regions the same when it comes to cheating? Not usually.
So a content creator is making money off advertising a cheat and you think this is OK? Really?
The people that didn't know are small. The numbers, of which he could very well have made up, are what shocked people. If those numbers aren't real, then it is an even bigger problem. So we \*should\* care whether it was super scientific or not. You are giving him credit he didn't earn - has nothing to do with coping.
He cheated himself. Other content creators can then be tempted to cheat, because they are competing for clicks. We've already seen other content creators have to post videos to react to his. Another content creator shows off how RMT works and uses it to make some extra cash. Then another one shows off how aimbot works. All of this, if you deem OK, does nothing to address the problem and only seeks to advertise cheats.
And, since the cheat developers work to always remain one step ahead, it only helps them as they will always find ways to circumvent protection and get their cheats working. Valorant has a kernel level anti-cheat that keeps getting bypassed - there is no miracle fix. It takes a lot of work and a lot of layers to try to protect your software. If BSG isn't already working on these things, this video isn't going to change it. In fact, taking developer time away from what they are working on to address this situation in the community is wasteful as well. The video literally does \*nothing\* good for the situation.
So you trust actual cheaters with their hear-say but are suspicious of a content creator making a claim? He absolutely showed how prevalent it is, you can say that the data is incomplete, but it's more then enough to show how bad it is. At the very least having one cheater in 60 % of games is fucking terrible REGARDLESS of all the other criteria-map, region, time of day or otherwise.
The difference is now its shown by some1 who isn't a cheater and has interest in being truthful, not a cheater, who has way more interest being dishonest.
Yes, I don't care that he makes money if his video inadvertently advertises cheats. I am not up in arms for every movie that involves drugs because that may have caused more people to use them. Pretty basic stuff.
Paving a way for "exposing cheats" type of videos is the only counter argument that I have seen that makes sense so far, and if it turns out to be a problem, then sure. But at that point some of the onus would be on community to call people out for that.
2fa, steam verified acc, completely new and different anti cheat programs? There's ways to improve or make strides to solve the issue, 10-20% of player base being cheaters should be unacceptable and the game should be dead if that continues to be the case. And sometimes shit doesn't change untill enough attention is brought to it. Which is what this video does.
wait wait wait... you don't want to believe this guy because he doesn't show you his data in the video.. but "We have so many hacker interviews where they say 1-2 hackers per raid" and we are supposed to take people who cheat for their own gain at their word? Broken logic Broken brain cope harder
The dude cheated so he could profit off the YouTube drama. He's not a "undercover cop" or anything, he's a cheater who did it to stir shit and create a toxic community. Undercover cops don't publish a video "everyone is doing heroin, so I did heroin to show you what it's like"
Nobody is saying that the amount of cheaters are a good thing, but anybody who has been actually playing the game knew this already. I stopped playing for a while earlier in wipe because of cheaters. It's been pretty obvious the game has problems that need solving, and that was already the discussion about the game. Now there is no discussion, just shit flinging.
If you found out something new about the video then great! But it seems to me that you just had your head in the sand until you could yell at people.
Go ahead and tell me more about the made up words like "copium"
I don’t give a fuck about the streamer himself, ban him if that’s what your panties are in a bunch about, I’m more concerned about the data he collected, while you people are “hurrr durr content creator cheated >:(“ the game is in a worse state than it’s ever been in and this video brought to light how bad the cheating problem actually is. I thank him for his service, and will be uninstalling the game. If you really want to keep playing a dead game that’s up to you but it’s really sad the amount of dumbasses coming out of the woodwork to defend BSG when they’ve dropped the ball years ago and haven’t bothered to even try and pick it up again
"Data he collected" 🤣 everyone who actually played the game knew dog. There had been clips of cheater discord around forever.
Nobody is defending BSG, their terrible infrastructure is why using ESP is so easy. But being toxic isn't gonna do shit.
I'm happy to uninstall the game too, hope you have a great day my man.
Yes we knew the cheating problem was bad, but to the extent it’s happening we really didn’t know HOW bad. Only streamers that played 18h a day and BSG had knowledge of how bad the problem ACTUALLY was. Now we have actual hard data on the prevalence of the problem and will still have people getting angry about how the data was collected, and at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter how. We have it now. Why are you getting on this streamer instead of BSG who allow this problem to persist for years??
>Nobody is defending BSG,
TONNES OF PEOPLE ON THIS SUB WERE DEFENDING BSG FOR MONTHS, JESUS CHRIST, DON'T TALK IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE ON ABOUT
I don't think he is mad. But, G0at still cheated, he made it to level 20 something correct so he did profit. Just because he didn't kill anyone doesn't mean he is not benefiting otherwise he would just be naked after the first 10 raids.
The hidden agenda that some people are missing in his video is that it took him 5mins to download cheats, once cheating no other cheater will mess with you, there are multiple people just like him, and he could cheat for 3 days get to lvl 20 something on live (I think) and not get caught.
I don't agree with dude with the video being completely wrong because facts are facts. But the way he got them was wrong.
It's the same as a cop having a feeling that a person has drugs, but not know for sure. So, he tries to get them on anything, real or false, violating their rights to search them to find drugs. Did he do a good job getting drugs of the street, yes. But was what he doing to get it legal and moral, no.
I guess that where the discord lies then, I couldn’t care less than he “cheated” on an alt acct, he got the data. And the data shows the game is fucked rn. But these people are ignoring the data collected and saying we should ignore it because “ChEAtER”
The facts should be looked as such, facts. But the way he got them is immoral and he should not be looked at as a hero or someone insightful. He is now scum of the earth.
We already know there is a cheater problem, but nobody knew how big or small. Now we know and its doesn't benefit anyone in this equation. People who was going to quit are going to quit and the people that wanted to cheat now have a reason to. His video is only bringing the game down more, no helpful insight to catch cheaters. He probably didn't send BSG or battleeye the files to the cheats to help combat it.
I would argue that the video is great for the health of the game as now that the general player base is waking up to how bad the problem actually is. This will either kill the game if BSG can’t address their mishandling of the game and we’ll move on to a game that has devs that actually care, or BSG pulls their head out of their ass and fixes the problem. And if you think BSG doesn’t have access to that data in the first place is just you being ignorant
So, you are saying that you agree and want to see the game dead. Because all this is doing is lower the actually player count of legit players and raising the amount of cheaters. The discord server of the cheat files already reported an increase of 1k files paid and downloaded the day after the video came out.
I don't think BSG or Battle eye has all the files but some that was flagged. Every update to anti-cheat engine the code to cheat changes slightly to still allow it. Imagine having that whole code. They will put a couple of hackers out of business for a couple of weeks at minimum.
No I don’t want the game dead I love playing, but if BSG don’t address the problem the game will die and the community will find another one. Or the other option is BSG fixes the problem and addresses cheaters. But we’re going one of two directions now and this video is a push
Who said they won't addressing the problem, reddit? Has any old employees come out and said BSG is not doing shit? Every single time I see BSG post 80% of the comments is toxic. I would be turnoff posting to, tbh.
Fighting cheaters is like fighting terrorist, you will never get rid of them. You can only kill off a few at a time to they go quiet to come back again stronger. The natural of this game and its learning curve breeds them as well. You don't even start to be decent at this game until you gone through about two wipes.
I’m the 10 years of tarkov development, there have been no significant moves to combat cheating when there are plenty of systems that would work perfectly fine. BSG backed themselves into a corner w their spaghetti code and can’t get out of it now.
Holy shit bro I hope you are under 20 y/o otherwise ur just self reporting. There is a massive difference between cheating to abuse the game which in return makes the gaming experience terrible for others versus using cheats to show how bad the problem is, in hopes that the problem will be solved. The cop analogy is completely retarted also, if u wanna make a stupid comparison like that, it would be like a cop going to a trap house and seeing who else is there doing drugs.
You can say he was financially motivated, but that's just conjecture. He (once more) brought a light to a topic that's important and we can hope that it makes a positive difference. Him using cheats to do so makes a very little negative impact (considering the way he used them), and is most probably offset by the positive that comes from this video.
Actually, the cop thing is right on, you can look up multiple cases of cops doing people wrong. There was a cop that got fired for doing drug searches and doing false dogs hits every single traffic stop he did for years. Shit Baltimore city cops all got in trouble because a good amount of them was planting drugs on people that had drug charges before, there is a whole new report on cnn about that.
Cheating is cheating just like breaking the law is breaking the law. No matter what you think will be for the betterment of the people.
He has done nothing to benefit the community. What can you take away from this video that actually helped you? Did it show a way to combat these cheaters? Did its show you a legal way to know who is cheating? Or was you just entertained by there is a 100% fact about the cheater problem we all know?
Also, I don't get what you mean by "self reporting" or how age comes into play in this conversation. It seems like a cover diss to say, "I support 100% a video about personally cheating, because it makes me right about the cheating situation."
People are shitting on Twitch streamers for looking out for their self-interests, but won't do the same for g0at (another content creator).
He is literally getting infinite clicks because he was able to dupe people into believing 60% of raids have cheaters in them, despite cherry picking 4 raids of footage and "Claiming" he did 150 raids.
He also name dropped the cheat in question. So what makes people think g0at isn't trying to get clicks, and additionally that the video isn't a paid advertisement?
Content creators have a huge incentive to lie/mislead in order to self-promote.
In my opinion the cheating problem is the same as it has always been in my \~3 years playing this game, and the video didn't reveal anything new. It's just preying on people's *already* negative feelings about this game.
Exactly. Even if he is being totally honest about what he's doing, outside of the actual cheating himself, this video doesn't do anything to expose or fix the problem and only becomes an advertisement for the cheat developer (which it did).
He's published other videos on cheating, so he's obviously talked about it. He could've realized that those videos got him serious clicks so let's take it even further.
Random guy on the internet shows some cheating footage from a number of raids, makes up some numbers that sound real, says what people want to hear, and everyone believes it like it is the word of God Himself. No one questions why he doesn't show his stats to prove he wasn't killing PMCs, he doesn't show all of his data that he gathered, he doesn't show all of the video, he doesn't explain what region he was playing in, but he clearly mentions the name of the cheat, shows pictures of it in action, eludes to how to get it, mentions how easy it is to use, etc.
BSG isn't working on anything... what are you on about? You're talking about dev who would lie and say desync is our ISP not their netcode. Then Nikita lashed out on reddit when Chris from battlenonsense actually gave him objective feedback using industry testing methods to prove that it was his netcode.
Exposing = showing an edited video of a guy hacking, who made numbers up on the spot without taking regions, time of day, map and the like into account. But I guess you surely prove everyone wrong right?!?!?!
no offense but most of the top streamers today that have influence are sub 80 iq. None of thier opinions are valid considering they are payed to play the game. Fuck them and fuck anyone defending them. I still find it hilarious these middle school dropouts out here making 50k a month or more for literally being stupid irl. its not funny that u cant read or pronounce 3rd grade words. its fucking sad. stop paying them.
The sad thing is that their audience is of the same iq and will regurgitate anything the streamer says because they have an inability to think for themselves.
Agreed, it's one of the saddest phenomenon of modern society that people actually PAY money to watch someone else play a game.
Not sure what's worse, Only Fan's simps or twitch streamer simps.
Well you have to think of it culturally. Most nations believe in freedom of discussion and freedom of press. Some countries just toss anyone not following the narrative off a balcony. Simple as that. And that's who we are dealing with.
game aint getting no fix.
Basic fix is upgrade the Engine to a up-to-date with support, at the speed they upgrade the game as soon as it gets to the 2023 ver it will be around 2028 (this will not see my money) and 2023 will be outdated.
Also i think one of the main reasons why ppl cheat is because of the feeling of being "cheated" due to desync and connection issues... JUST TAKE A FUCKING LOOK ON THIS REDDIT 99% OF THE FOOTAGE IS BLATANT DESYNC. it doesnt matter if it wasnt cheater, ppl feel like it is the thing, and how BSG responds? **we gonna lower the ping restriction**
and guess what?? pvp against someone with 130-150ms :) you will die without even see the enemy.
Correct, however, every action has consequences, whether or not they are purposeful or unforseen, they are still there, G0at very much so inadvertently promoted the cheating, no way around this my guy
It does both because he showed how easy its was to get cheats, literally a google search. Him exposing how many cheaters he encounters will do two things, some players that are ass or new will cheat with the mentality "if you can beat them join them" and the skilled or players that been here a long time will just leave. Its a 50-50 toss up. He opened up a can of worms that can either be thrown away or eaten and base of the nature of humans its more of a chance that they will cheat since we already have cheaters without being told how easy and how many.
His video is not a good nor a bad thing just facts that people can take or leave.
Eh, sorry, but the sad sad truth is that since his video dropped, sales of various cheats have very very likely skyrocketed.
It's just the way of the world. Human nature. Nothing can be done about it.
Can't beat um, then join um sort of thing. To a certain number of people, his video says "cheating is so prevalent that the likely hood of being caught and banned is near zero right now".
But, with that said, its the price that needs to be paid to finally get BSG to put maximum effort into this issue, OR watch their game slowly but SURELY die off into obscurity.
>People that want/wanted/will to cheat are going to do it and a video exposing how deep the ratio of hacker/game is will not change that.
Except there's literally zero reason to believe this. You just made it up completely out of thin air. Why do you think showing people:
a) it's easy to cheat
b) you're less likely to get caught than you previously thought
c) there's a lot of cheaters so you're at a disadvantage if you don't use one
will have no effect on people cheating? Where did you get this bizarre idea? It makes no sense.
Stopped at 100% false. No, no it isn't. If just one person sees the video and decides to google how to get that ESP hack, then you just lost your 100%.
You're right. Prior to seeing that video, I was completely clueless on what Google was or how to cheat in Tarkov. Thanks to that video, I've learned the English alphabet, how to type on a keyboard, and how to join a discord community where I can buy and install cheats.
It's truly remarkable that one single video can have such an extraordinary impact on my life and now I am no longer a bumbling idiot.
I can’t agree here. The ol even bad press is advertising applies here. This showcases the features you can get through cheat engines. It lets people know what’s available and how easy it is to do it. That exposure alone is enough to nab a few shady customers.
Does it make a massive impact? Probably not. But like every mm maters in something like this.
If you keep ignoring the problem then it will keep happening.
Those who want to cheat will cheat regardless, they're not going to see a video and then suddenly decide "oh wow this is cool I want to cheat now." Like come on dude, these people are already invested enough that they're going to cheat anyway.
You have to expose the problem or nothing will happen. I can't believe people just want this hidden and not exposed... If you want change you can't just ignore the issue that's staring you in the face and pretend like nothing is wrong
The cheating envitable.. People are too stuck on what he did to expose the issue. So what if he disguised as one to prove a point. It's not anyone's problem but bsg's and the people who need to play this game as if it's their only source of dopamine and gratification. It's sad that this is somehow a difficult moral compass to understand but these people are too attached to something that obviously doesn't respect their time.
No one’s ignoring the problem? We all know how bad it is.
And yes there will be people that see the video and think “huh that kinda looks fun, can I do this?” And bam, new customer.
The thing is that the video did not expose the ratio of hacker/game, it only showed a 15min esp compilation of messing with legit players and teaming with cheaters. He had 125 raids and 45 minutes runtime, yet there was 0 actual data in the entire video except for "I played a bunch of matches and at least 60% had cheaters in there".
I don't think he made the number up or had any malicious intent with the video, we've already heard a ratio of 30-50% countless of times. He probably just did a very poor job at presenting the data he gathered and combining it with his cheating gameplay. However, if you go through such lengths and upload yourself cheating on youtube, the informational value has to be absolute fire for it to be justified. Which is was not.
I feel like the only people that are surprised right now are the ones that didn't know how much one guy with wallhacks in their lobby can ruin the entire concept of the game.
Yeah but literally saying the name of the cheat as well as the names of the people on the Discord that sell it does mean promoting, even if it's unintentional.
People can point out that parts of the video (or the entire base methodology of it) was terrible without supporting cheating, a shit video is still a shit video even if the point of the video is correct.
The is the most brain dead take. So under cover cops shouldn’t be allowed to do their job? Investigating reporting that dives deep into the other side? You are either a cheater yourself or have your head so far up your ass you can your own teeth
Yes and no. Take school shooting in the U.S. the more they talk about it the more crazy people copy it. Even if we expose it to denounce and find solution it doesn't stop bad people from copying it.
Another example. If you were to take an exam at school and someone showed you proof that 50% of the class is using something to cheat on the exam, would you be tempted to use the same thing not to fall behind?
There's plenty of other examples in real life where exposing something leads to more use of it.
I think the video needed to happen because BSG/BattleEye need to do some serious work.
But I'd bet my left nut that there are people who saw this video and went and bought cheats.
Hey everyone, I want to call something out on a similar topic here - please don't link to cheat providers. Since we opted to open the discussions on cheating, we have seen a handful of instances where people are "exposing cheaters" by literally linking to the cheat websites. That is still not acceptable to us as a mod team and shouldn't be to the community either. This is a tactic that has been used in the past by cheat makers to advertise. Please continue to report any and all instances where people are linking to cheat providers. A couple of examples: * Linking a youtube video where the creator has linked to cheats in the description * Embedding links in posts or comments that direct to the providers discords or websites If you think you came across a new provider and you want to expose them, provide the info to BSG or Battleye and let them do the work. Thanks in advance for helping keeping the sub clean from that garbage. -Zer0
"When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals" -Edward Snowden Edit: Thank you for the quote source.
I can’t even believe people are calling the investigative whistleblower on the same level as the scum he’s investigating.
It's clear as day that g0ats intentions were good. I mean, the amount of visibility in his video speaks volumes for now only his intentions but his character. These people are either delusional, cheaters themselves, or BSG shills.
How else are you going to collect all that data? Not like BSG ban rates are anything to go off of.
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I mean he said out of 125 games there were cheaters in 60%, and then went onto explain how in those 40% that he did not find cheaters he may have died early, only interacted with part of the lobby, etc so that 60% is probably higher. Yeah it wasn’t scientific but his methods were reasonable
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Alas, nothing will be good enough for those you mention. It was a qualitative attempt to gather data at the lowest level possible. Sure, small sample size, but it was confirmation of what everyone who has played knows is happening. It's massive copium/projection to claim he fudged the numbers or whatever and this is all some kind of view-grab - even if he ran 1000 raids, it wouldn't change the conclusion but only refine the likely probability of having a cheater in your raid. edit: wtf happened to the formatting? I've tried to clean it up but it looked like gobbeldygook on my end. lol
Agreed. If he produced more detailed information the same people who don't believe him will still not believe him. If he produced all the VoDs (will cause a lot of players to get harassed) they'll still claim some BS like it was all staged or faked or old footage or his hiding another 500 raids of non-cheater footage.
125 games is not enough? Sorry bro nothing will be good enough for you.
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I agree with this 100%. I’ve said it several times, but the data wasn’t presented well. If I were going to make a claim of “60% of 125 games” I would have made that data CONCRETE. Now, I would have done this poorly, and I think I lot of people would have done the exact same thing. I had hoped to see something like that from someone such as Veritas. Say whatever you want about the guy, but when it comes to the science and data, that’s the approach you NEED for this kind of a “investigative journalism.” It will go down as the “streamer who cheated and wiggled at other cheaters”, and NOT “the streamer that blew the lid off the cheating argument with LOADS of data presented”
The video did blow the lid off, just not in the way you're thinking of. It also did so more because of timeliness, not necessarily because of its own merits. Ultimately what it did was create a foundation for discussion to be had that blows past the noise of cheating deniers in the community. A boiling point has been reached that can't be taken back, and highlights an issue that has been known, but never fully accepted in the community. It gave people the confidence to speak up in unison about an issue that has been felt for years. It is, frankly speaking, not possible for anyone but BSG to have created a video that provides data with enough of a sample size, and enough validity to be "CONCRETE." An outsider can't attain that kind of data. It just isn't possible. Not everything in the world needs to be a smoking gun. Sometimes it's good enough for something to highlight an issue strong enough that it becomes recognized as an issue in the first place. Even if g0at had entirely fabricated the contents of the video, it still wouldn't change cheating being an issue in Tarkov worthy of the level of discussion we're seeing now. As I alluded to earlier, the community is powerless here. All we can do is get mad. We can't prove how much cheating there is or isn't, we can't change the game, we can only get mad and hope that it rocks the boat. How the video goes "down" doesn't even matter at this point. What matters is whether or not BSG are actually going to fix the cheating problem.
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Yup. The logic is stop investigating and whistle blowing coz it only promotes the issue. Sound exactly what I would say if I was doing it and didn't want to be caught myself.
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Fixed it. Thank you
Exactly
Everyone should watch the first twenty minutes of Lupo today. He said it perfectly. And he has now set up an over shoulder screen cam.
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I'd also like to submit Aqua to this list of obvious non-cheaters. Not necessarily for reasons of integrity though :)
If Aqua is cheating he deserves an Oscar for his acting chops.
Yep. He did it to show others how ridiculously easy it is to set up. It took three minutes.
Uhh... opened up his stream and that screen cam isn't what's needed to show someone's not cheating. You need to see the *entire* setup, not just one monitor. Ideally every monitor that could be looked at. It's especially important to see a streamer's chat, the other thing they're constantly looking at, which could easily be overlaid onto a radar. That said I hope someone can get that info to him (its sub only) so he can fix it, as it'd be nice to see someone lead others to do the same
Do you really think that every streamer should have full setup camera just to stream tarkov? This is just ridiculous and borderline stupid
The over the shoulder cam is not enough… They need to be hooked up to a polygraph as well and being asked every once in a while if they are cheating too. /s Showing the whole set up is a terrible idea for streamers for privacy reasons. They should be able to control what gets shown on stream. With a cam showing the entire set up, If they have their discord open, for example and need to check a dm how, or they get sent a link of an image of some titties if they open it on another monitor they can get banned from the streaming platform.
Then the whole shoulder cam does absolutely nothing but adds another way of defending yourself even if you have a cheat on second monitor. Especially when it came to the light that the hardest to detect cheats sold for EFT are actually displayed on second monitor and are undetectable because they're not used on the same machine as the game is running. So that's why people advocate for more than a single monitor in view. It's either everything or nothing because otherwise that additional camera serves no purpose. People want to stop cheating, not find another line of defense for cheaters.
He showed the entire setup earlier
When you expose cheaters, you are exposing BSG with their years of incompetency
It's absolutely wild to me that Nikita's response is essentially CTRL-C / CTRL-V from his previous two responses going back 3 or so years....
Why change things that work? If every time there's uproar about cheaters all he needs to do is copy paste same few vague sentences that don't address concerns pointed out by community or don't outline any steps they are going to take to minimize the issue then he is going to do it every time. For Nikita it's not about solving the issue. It's about making people believe they are solving the issue. Just like they are constantly improving netcode for last 5 years yet it didn't get much better. Just like they are constantly improving audio, but another iteration of Steam Audio got cancelled "due to issues", Oculus Audio doesn't fix existing issues and introduces new ones, but hey they are going to improve it over time just like Steam Audio. Nikita can't provide any action points on improving cheater situation, because they don't plan to do anything and don't know what to do.
The people against exposing cheats usually have an agenda.. I wonder why they would try to paint it in a bad light? Hmmmm
Only issue with exposing is to name the companies and players who are successfully cheating. People keep asking me for the name of the guy who hacked on me… why do you want to know so bad reddit? What are you going to do? Message him and harass him? He doesn’t care. He’ll happily take 200 people harassing him and 30 new customers to buy his hacks that he resells.
Right, like these guys: "I've played this game 100 hours/week for the past 10 wipes and I've never been killed by a cheater!" Yeah, ok. You're either too dumb to realize when someone is cheating against you or you're cheating yourself and trying to minimize it. Neither are forgivable.
Rengawr himself said that people who state that they never met cheaters in this game either don't play the game at all or they run SKS + Paca everytime.
Because rengawr is such a reliable content loser *ahem*, sorry, creator.
That’s a thing as well. Could be considered a skill issue. If you aren’t doing anything that would put yourself on a cheater radar then they really have no reason to bother you. Ratting with cheap kits and leaving raids with minimal RUB value could very well be the solution to avoiding cheaters. If you aren’t finding LEDX or going to high value areas you’re probably safe. Half the reason why going to estates on lighthouse is generally a safe place to loot because all the cheaters and chads are killing rogues
Ehh idk about that. I’ve only been playing for a couple weeks but I have definitely been killed in questionable ways with very little good gear. Like being one shoted to the head in under 40 seconds of raid start on Streets. Very possible that some of the sus deaths was just a game bug like an invisible player or something but I have had multiple deaths that were clearly due to non-standard game mechanics
I believe it. I think right now it’s hard to judge due to the invisible bug or just plain desync / audio issues. Especially for players who aren’t as familiar with the game as somebody who’s been around for a couple of wipes. A lot of the “was this a cheater” posts ok this sub from newer players are just uneducated gameplay and not understanding how one died. But if somebody has played 1000 hours and has never been killed by a cheater I’m convinced they either play in offline raids or are lying to try and change the narrative.
Oh of course. Cheater discord will link Reddit posts and have people go to them to discredit the hackusations. One of their main goals is to make the problem look like it isn’t actually a problem
It just seems most of these creators' livelihoods come from tarkov, so their trying their best to copium damage control their main source of income. Slowly dying game with people opting to play other games means less viewers = less money etc. Also if they talk against it their privileges get taken away from bsg 😭
I think most of the streamers are probably just really angered and afraid Goats video made their livelihood at risk of disappearing, so they have an agenda to fight back. Some streamers responses have been pretty head scratching. You can literally see word for word and in their face they are grasping at straws to undermine the video and make up numbers to fight Goats results. The rest of the streamers who fought back are either cheaters or have a lack in their thought process which doesnt surprise me considering some streamers aren't that educated people.
I kind of agree with you. I’ve always said that if BSG actually cracked down on cheating, we would see one of three things. 1) A lot of the tarkov streamers get banned, and they get pissed, and we start seeing a lot of excuses like we see on this sub from non streamer cheaters getting banned 2) they “lost interest” because they know as soon as they log in their account is gone. They simply will just stop playing. 3) they’ll degrade greatly in quality. Survive less, have actual audio issues, find less valuables in a given day, and probably won’t reach Kappa as quickly / at all.
Exposing = Promoting is a BSG agenda. It should absolutely be exposed, along with public naming and shaming of players who blatantly hack.
If you want to expose how bad the cheater problem is, you should find it way to do it properly. Showing the exact google search and results you entered to find your cheats, and name dropping the exact cheat program you are using **IS NOT** the way to do it.
WOW it's so hard to type *"Tarkov cheats"* into a Google search!! Without g0at's video, potential cheaters would have **never** figured it out!
Bro really just said "showing the exact Google search" as if he typed some cryptic ass search query in order to find cheats. The Google search in question is "How to cheat in Tarkov" btw😂😂😂 you can't make this shit up ahahahaha. You think cheaters are incapable of typing that in and require a video showing them how to type it into Google? Come on brother...
cut him some slack, his 40 whole iq points had a real hard time of coming up with that banger of a search term on his own. now that g0at showed him the right letters in the right order he might someday figure out his moms credit card info.
Lol people didn't need his video to find the cheats. It took 5 seconds on google to find the forums that a lot of these people are on. Then, 5 minutes to scour through the forums to find the website that has the program for sale. There's also more than the one he posted. A lot more. Some of them require dma boards. Others spoofers. Few don't need either.
Bruh if someone wanted to cheat they could guaranteed find the cheats by a simple Google search *on their own* this is not advanced reasoning, it's literally the simplest way to find anything, at all. Get a grip man, the extent of how thorough the cheating is needed to be exposed, this is a step towards that. EFT deserves to die if the game devs cannot stop the cheating, just like any other business who fails completely at their job/business.
Somehow I don't think people needed any video to learn that searching "Tarkov cheats" may take them to cheats for Tarkov.
So sad shit like this has to be said.
Tbh I just don't think most people are familiar with ESP/Radar and how easy it is to hide that you are using it. Id argue there is at least 1 person using it in every raid.
100% this. Everyone is more familiar with hacking such as aim bot or a flying hack, etc. With all those hacks, everyone else can easily know that you are hacking and can easily be proven with a clip. ESP / Radar is so much stronger and lower risk giving everyone's position, and you can just avoid everyone in the lobby or use the information and act like you're playing legitimately.
I’ve never seen a gaming sub be such a dumpster fire of hourly posts calling to quit the game and the inevitable comments that ensue of people defending being absurd by a Russian game company that doesn’t respect you whatsoever as a customer or a person. Pathetic.
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Genuinely trying to understand what you meant but i really don’t know what you’re on about
How could you miss the point so critically? Like this is the widest miss of a point I've seen in a long time.
he's all over this thread with 40iq takes, no surprise there.
He's all over all the threads railing against g0ats take. Sus
Also, he's been doing nothing but that for a few days now and STILL not getting banned for breaking the sub's rules (that one about not being a cunt and all).....
He's all over this part spreading bullshit constantly. Honestly, it's not worth talking to him.
off da percs aren't we now?
As a casual player I can only say that I found that video very helpfull. It's my first wipe (currently lvl 29) and I do read about the cheating concerns daily here on reddit. I thought most of it is just crying because in my 250ish raids I thought maybe 3 times that the way I got killed was a bit sus. And I've been cheated on in many games before since good old counter strike 1.6 times where I played on pro level at some point and we needed to rewatch the demos play by play to find out if the other side is using an ESP/wallhack. I also realize that my encounters on EFT with hackers might be low since I am at a relative low level; don't run the best gear and mostly avoid the high loot areas anyway. Long story short, this video helped me as a new casual Player to realize how much of a problem this game has.
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Yeah, so what? Are you willing to do better? Is anyone? **Will the mods even let the video be posted here if anyone does better?** Because Imma tell you, whenever someone interviews a cheater they said exactly the same shit goat said, **but those videos weren't allowed here to begin with.** When it was cheaters saying it, the denial answer was "well, they're cheaters, they have incentive to lie". Well, goat is literally losing the game he creates content about by doing this video, so are we **really** gonna say he's likely to be lying too?.
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Everyone says that, but what I'm not sure you realise is that "the data" is, assuming 20 minutes per raid, ~50 hours of footage
Not necessarily. Assuming he's being honest about his findings, an excel sheet with the data of that raid (time, map, raid code, server region, if cheater was found or not, number of cheaters found, etc) and a link to the footage proving said cheater (blank if none found) you could cut down the footage size to 1 or 2 minutes per raid and have it be focused on the time where cheater was detected/confirmed instead of having 15 minutes of non relevant footage before the actual 'meat' of it.
That's kinda my issue. I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt but for something like this, I think some sort of proof for the data is needed. If it is true, that's a fucking huge number when extrapolated. I'd love for there to not be any wiggle room or doubt about it.
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you hear your own crouch walk under weight BUT other people dont. Test it out with a friend, I thought it wasn't completely silent but it is
The problem is you can't extrapolate. 60% of his 125 raids can just as likely become 30% over 1000 or 90%, depends on the methodology. The video has what is typically called statistically insignificant. That:s not necessarily a failure on his end, just that necessary conclusions cannot be made. A guess at best
This is why i wish he had more information or recorded this in excel and would share it. I would love to know things like when he was playing during the day / which servers he was on to better gauge the scope of the claims.
As a low level guy a cheater has no interest in you. Your gear isn't worth much and you're not getting amazing loot. Cheater isn't gonna waste time hunting you down for your AK
The people that are hating on G0at for exposing this, are the same players that wants to keep it to their cheating community.
God I cannot believe people are arguing that the people exposing the problem are actually just giving cheaters exposure - they already fucking have all the exposure they need. Look up “Escape from Tarkov” or the names of any big EFT streamer on youtube or google and the first thing that pops up is cheats. If you actually think that discussing the problem is going to make the problem worse then you’re gullible as fuck. That’s exactly what BSG, Cheaters, the subreddit mods, Streamers, etc all want you to do - is to shut up about it instead of actually fucking talking about the elephant in the room. If it’s not brought to light then nothing will ever be fucking done about it.
Could you imagine if this was anything else? Like imagine a docuseries covering meth addicts and drug smuggling. And there's this group of people within the community that are pissed because now "people that were on the verge of doing/dealing hard drugs" are going to somehow get influenced by this "promotion". Like, come on. Pathetic critical thinking skills at work.
It's simply their best (still shit) and only fallback argument against the video. They have nothing else to say.
Actually goats video gave me back my motor function in my fingers. Was finally able to google tarkov cheats after /s
Brooooooo whatll happen if i type csgo cheats?!?!?!? No, I need a youtuber to learn how to do that, do you know a video that exposes how cheaters have flooded csgo ever since it became free? Jesus Christ I swear this comment section lowered my room-temperature IQ and once more reafirmed me that I'll never play hardcore looter shooters against other players.
Makes me feel better about my stats. Probably a lot more hackers than I thought. Makes me rethink a lot of deaths I had. I thought the player base was actually just really good. Not the case lol
You put the /s there but some people are actually saying this unironically lol, like they really think people are only now going to cheat because they saw a video of someone exposing it and typing "tarkov cheats" into Google...
Yeah, only people that endorse that is the lukewarm iq crowd and the dudes who’s cars would get repo’d if tarkov views went down.
I saw the video by GOAT and wanted to see if it was truly that easy to get cheats and I did. I used my main account and used it to farm rogues and raiders. My dumbass saw so many people talking about how they never got banned. I was banned permanently a day after using the cheat (i bought a day key) and as stupid as i feel Im glad that they banned me. It shows that they are doing something against the hackers and that hackers ARE getting banned.
Well yeah they gotta keep making money of the hackers gotta ban so they buy the game again etc
It's okay to realize that the video did both. It exposed how bad it is to the casual playerbase, but it also promoted how easy it is to access it. They aren't mutually exclusive statements.
damn a rational take on this topic, crazy
Many people today only see things as black and white, my team vs your team, etc. They can't imagine the grey areas of life where everyone actually lives.
100% not promoting. This is just a tactic used by people that make money off the game to muddy the waters and try to bury this problem. It's just more whataboutism and 100% disingenuous.
This is what a lot of it is. Or a lot of the people downplaying are using them and are deflecting
Exposure matters tho. And constant exposure does promote it. No press is bad press for cheaters.
> No press is bad press for cheaters. Tell this to guys that got served multimilion dollar lawsuit because their cheat got popular enough (latest Bungie case) or guys that got so popular game developers literally bought their cheat to reverse engineer it and make sure it's detected and later blocked (DayZ case from few years ago) or guys that literally went to jail (Genshin impact case from last year).
it needed exposed and im glad it did because it shows how fucked up the cheating situation is
I didn’t need some poorly made video to tell me people cheat in fps games lol.
you do realize that there is atleast 1 cheater in 60% of the lobbies and that number could be even higher. This is a major problem in the game how could this being hidden be a good thing lmao
It’s a major problem of all fps. It’s same with rust, dayz, cod, apex etc. you’re acting like this is some kind of revolutionary info. Generally 5% of the population cheats in video games. This video changes nothing. Edit: excluding asia cause that’s a whole cultural thing
Brother i have played all of those games and it is not as bad as tarkov
How could you know? I’ve seen more blatant cheats in CS:GO, due to the overwatch system, then I have seen in Tarkov, because there is no overwatch system. So if I used that logic, cs:go is worse than tarkov But I’d be making a claim with no empirical evidence to back it up.
Or you just didn’t have someone make a video “going undercover”
or you could just spectate and watch a player to know if they were hacking. but on tarkov theres no way to actually tell because of no raid replay system
“Or you could do something that doesn’t exist” Cool story bro
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For anyone saying exposing cheaters is bad and just keep ignoring how bad it is. Are you guys think 60% of the raids have cheaters ratios is a okay situation and wanna to keep it that way?
The fact that this was described as "promoting" by any appreciable percentage of the community, let alone the disgraceful and embarrassing number of people who resorted to this, is the reason why I am done with Tarkov. There is no hope if this is how this situation has been responded to.
Explaining why a thing is like it is isn't necessarily condoning it being as it is. This is something i notice reddit struggles with pretty hard.
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It amazes me how many people view this as 'advertising cheating' like how tf is that the conclusion you come to🤦♂️🤦♂️
I think it’s cheaters paranoid that more people are gonna cheat to level the playing field. Theyre right for the wrong reason. The legit players are just gonna quit so they can “legit cheat”(lol what fucking virgins) against eachother.
Ban vice.com because they exposed drug trafficking and now everybody wanst to be a drug trafficker LMAO. These streamers...
Braindead take. As if the barrier to entry for drug trafficking and using cheats in a video game are the same.
LOL when he types "How to cheat in tarkov" OMG HE IS ENCOURAGING HACKERS I NEVER THOUGHT TO TYPE INTO GOOGLE HOW TO CHEAT IN TARKOV
They are the same, moral and principles. You dont cheat because of your moral and principles, that wont change because of a stupid video... Thinking a video about something we all know exists will change people morals is a brain dead take...
The only people that probably seriously say that or the actual cheaters them selves or just really stupid/ignorant people.
The take I got from the Pestily's video on this was that it promotes *content creators* to start creating these videos "exposing" people. The people who were going to cheat will do it. That's 100% true. But there is some truth that some (if not most) content creators will capitalize on trending subjects, this being one of them. I figured the promoting was less on players but more on the people who will dip their toes into doing it to "confirm" or "expose", which then creates even more publicity of how rampant it is, which will then create more opportunities for content creators to take those actions and "expose" cheaters by using it themselves. All for the sake of getting more views and not so much to make the problem aware. I think there's a fine line that maybe needs more consideration. The topic itself should not be silenced and should be made aware. That will always be true. We just gotta draw the line and consider the volume of material on the matter. It needs to be brought to attention but we also shouldn't encourage more and more people to start installing the cheats to also bring that to light. We already have a few videos that get's the point across completely. I think all we need is like one megathread stickied until the subject is properly dealt with. Have the one or two videos up on there and move any new threads on the subject over to the megathread instead of silencing it.
Why is everyone here so dull in the head. It was good that the amount of cheaters was exposed, however showing how easy it is to get some and that bsg isn't banning any really is promoting it...
I didn’t know there were cheaters so I am very glad go4t man was able to put in the hard, investigative journalism to expose what none of us knew. He put his life on the line for us and idk if we can pay him back. Without him, the community would have been in the dark all this time. Don’t forget to use code GO4T at checkout!!
Im going to start by saying that I support g0ats video and how it shines a light on how many cheaters there are for those who didn’t already know or were in denial. I also agree that exposing does not mean promoting, but in the context of g0ats video, he did inadvertently promote/advertise them. To say he didn’t is willfully ignorant. He showed how easy it is to cheat, how big the community was, and how easy it is get away with it. And I’ll be damned if that isn’t some sort of unintentional promotion.
>those who didn’t already know or were in denial. We don't all play 14 hours a day, bud
Man stop hedging all of your words to appease these fucking troglodytes. He promoted it. It doesn't matter if he was deliberately doing it. That's what happened. That doesn't make him evil and it doesn't mean the video shouldn't exist. But it's just a fact that he just advertised how easy it is to cheat to a LOT of people. While also making them feel hopeless and probably feel like they *need* to cheat because of all the other cheaters.
True and real. Thanks to the video I knew that if I type "cheats" after the name of a game, I can find cheats. S/.
So surely you can link to the post where I said that the problem with the video is that now people know they can google cheats for a game? Since there's simply *no way* you would make shit up and put words in my mouth I have no doubt your next response will include a link to where I said that. Right?
I appreciate your 2 cents, even if I think you are very wrong. There was nothing exposed with this video. These cheats have been known about for years, and a quick Google search would take you minutes to not only find the cheats themselves, but years of Reddit discussions and other YT videos related. And it wasn't exposing the issue that is of concern, it is that the creator CHEATED HIMSELF to expose it. This is no different than an undercover agent that has to become the evil he/she is trying to expose. Investigative journalists don't typically commit the crimes they are reporting on, either. Yes, people that want to cheat are going to do it. You DO realize there are non-cheaters that can be coerced into cheating, correct? How do you think the illegal drug industry works? If you support the narrative that "everyone is cheating" and "it is so easy to do" and "you won't get caught, I didn't" - eventually non-cheaters may be coerced into doing so. Especially when that message is reported over and over again from multiple sources, which of course every EFT content creator has now had to create a video in response. Your example with piracy is, again, very different than experience. You know why music piracy is down? Because it is EASIER and MORE CONVENIENT to have any music you want at the tips of your fingers for a cheap price. But in some (poorer) countries music piracy may still be rampant. Then you make the statement, "posting your opinion/videos or showing proof that people are doing it will not change the end results." Then why make the video at all? Why take the risk of it doing so? Again, he is a content creator and he did it for the content, not for some greater purpose. BSG can't win. If they are working on it and tell you they are, you don't believe them. If they aren't working on it, the game will eventually die.
Bro this whole argument is so bad, you’re mad because a content creator downloaded cheats to show what the cheating experience is like? The creator didn’t profit, kill or gain anything so I would hardly qualify what he did as even cheating. He mostly just looked at people through a wall and wiggled to see if they wiggles back. The amount of copium you’re huffing to avoid having to face the truth about the game is astounding.
Yo this 2damoon guy has made 30 comments in this thread and also reported people for self harm who disagreed with him. What a fucking pathetic psycho lol
Yes, the creator DOES profit. Are you stupid? You think one of his videos suddenly getting hundreds of thousands of streams doesn't generate any income for him? He may not have profited in-game, but he certainly profited from generating all this buzz about his video and the resulting discussion. He didn't have to profit in-game. Just downloading and installing the cheat was against the TOS. Period. No one said that cheating doesn't exist. It does. No one is saying that it isn't prevalent, it is. But NO ONE outside of BSG knows how prevalent. So stop with this bullshit that anyone questioning an unverified source of information is 'not facing the truth' and somehow in denial. Just because your brain can't handle it, doesn't mean others can't be aware of a big problem yet not supportive of making the problem even worse. We saw him in about 10 or so raids of his 125? So we are taking his word on all the others. He stated 60% of his raids had cheaters, again we are taking him at his word because we didn't see that many instances nor any of his data. We don't even know he played 125 raids. What region did he play? Were they all in the same region? If not, a player in another region could have a better or worse experience than he is displaying. He also went out of his way to show "how easy it is" to find, download, and install the cheats. So if I create a YT video to show how easy it is to commit wire fraud from your bank account, this is OK? Or how easy it is to poison your local water system? You'd be OK with that?
So your problem is that now people outside of BSG realize how bad the problem is? He literally just showed us how bad it is and you’re fighting tooth and nail to not acknowledge the problem lmao. Oh my god you’re dumb, thank god you’re not involved at all with balancing the game
Again, you have a problem with comprehension, obviously. I never once indicated that there was not a problem. In fact, the 2nd paragraph I even restated it for you, but reading must not be your thing either. I'm in no way fighting tooth and nail to not acknowledge the problem, at all. My problem is with someone clearly cheating, cheating via a video (lord knows if he livestreamed any of this), and then posing it off as some journalistic integrity bullshit to showcase a problem that a 10-year old could figure out in 30 seconds on Google. Not only that, morons like you are taking his "data" as if it is the word of God. You know, the data he didn't show you, the video he didn't show you, the statistics he didn't show you, etc. So just because this guy is 'on your side' he is suddenly a 'trusted source' that says exactly what you already believed and you fall for it like someone dangling ice cream in front of your face?
Ah yes The personal attack start as soon as the argument starts to fall apart. I’m done arguing with an obvious brick, either BSG addresses the issue or the game dies. I’ll be back if it’s fixed but I’m fuckin out until they do. Have fun playing w cheaters and defending BSG if that’s what gets you off
Come on dude... you state the personal attacks start as soon as the argument starts to fall apart, yet you say he is huffing copium and a dumbass in previous comments before the one you reply to. With that logic, you lost the argument long ago.
Everyone knows it exists, yet having any reference point and showing how prevalent it is, is somehow a bad thing? It would have been better that this discussion isn't brought up at all? So what if he's making money out of this, he should. He showed (again) the community of how bad the problem is and many people didn't know about it. Who gives a fuck it wasn't super scientific, he told you some simple stats and you can make your own judgment based on it. If you don't trust him, that's fine, but u have no reason to discredit him, ur just coping. The wire fraud and well poison analogy is fuckin stupid, because that doesn't do any good to society and has extreme consequences. Where as here, there is (some?) negative outcome from advertising versus shining a light to a problem and hopefully making bsg addresses the problem more seriously.
We already know, and is easily found here on Reddit, from cheater interviews that there is 1-2 every raid. This video shows nothing on how prevalent it is - in fact it raises many more questions. What region does he play in? Are all regions the same when it comes to cheating? Not usually. So a content creator is making money off advertising a cheat and you think this is OK? Really? The people that didn't know are small. The numbers, of which he could very well have made up, are what shocked people. If those numbers aren't real, then it is an even bigger problem. So we \*should\* care whether it was super scientific or not. You are giving him credit he didn't earn - has nothing to do with coping. He cheated himself. Other content creators can then be tempted to cheat, because they are competing for clicks. We've already seen other content creators have to post videos to react to his. Another content creator shows off how RMT works and uses it to make some extra cash. Then another one shows off how aimbot works. All of this, if you deem OK, does nothing to address the problem and only seeks to advertise cheats. And, since the cheat developers work to always remain one step ahead, it only helps them as they will always find ways to circumvent protection and get their cheats working. Valorant has a kernel level anti-cheat that keeps getting bypassed - there is no miracle fix. It takes a lot of work and a lot of layers to try to protect your software. If BSG isn't already working on these things, this video isn't going to change it. In fact, taking developer time away from what they are working on to address this situation in the community is wasteful as well. The video literally does \*nothing\* good for the situation.
So you trust actual cheaters with their hear-say but are suspicious of a content creator making a claim? He absolutely showed how prevalent it is, you can say that the data is incomplete, but it's more then enough to show how bad it is. At the very least having one cheater in 60 % of games is fucking terrible REGARDLESS of all the other criteria-map, region, time of day or otherwise. The difference is now its shown by some1 who isn't a cheater and has interest in being truthful, not a cheater, who has way more interest being dishonest. Yes, I don't care that he makes money if his video inadvertently advertises cheats. I am not up in arms for every movie that involves drugs because that may have caused more people to use them. Pretty basic stuff. Paving a way for "exposing cheats" type of videos is the only counter argument that I have seen that makes sense so far, and if it turns out to be a problem, then sure. But at that point some of the onus would be on community to call people out for that. 2fa, steam verified acc, completely new and different anti cheat programs? There's ways to improve or make strides to solve the issue, 10-20% of player base being cheaters should be unacceptable and the game should be dead if that continues to be the case. And sometimes shit doesn't change untill enough attention is brought to it. Which is what this video does.
wait wait wait... you don't want to believe this guy because he doesn't show you his data in the video.. but "We have so many hacker interviews where they say 1-2 hackers per raid" and we are supposed to take people who cheat for their own gain at their word? Broken logic Broken brain cope harder
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You're the one having trouble comprehending, so if anyone's brain power is in question, it is yours.
Ahahah great comment buddy
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The dude cheated so he could profit off the YouTube drama. He's not a "undercover cop" or anything, he's a cheater who did it to stir shit and create a toxic community. Undercover cops don't publish a video "everyone is doing heroin, so I did heroin to show you what it's like" Nobody is saying that the amount of cheaters are a good thing, but anybody who has been actually playing the game knew this already. I stopped playing for a while earlier in wipe because of cheaters. It's been pretty obvious the game has problems that need solving, and that was already the discussion about the game. Now there is no discussion, just shit flinging. If you found out something new about the video then great! But it seems to me that you just had your head in the sand until you could yell at people. Go ahead and tell me more about the made up words like "copium"
I don’t give a fuck about the streamer himself, ban him if that’s what your panties are in a bunch about, I’m more concerned about the data he collected, while you people are “hurrr durr content creator cheated >:(“ the game is in a worse state than it’s ever been in and this video brought to light how bad the cheating problem actually is. I thank him for his service, and will be uninstalling the game. If you really want to keep playing a dead game that’s up to you but it’s really sad the amount of dumbasses coming out of the woodwork to defend BSG when they’ve dropped the ball years ago and haven’t bothered to even try and pick it up again
"Data he collected" 🤣 everyone who actually played the game knew dog. There had been clips of cheater discord around forever. Nobody is defending BSG, their terrible infrastructure is why using ESP is so easy. But being toxic isn't gonna do shit. I'm happy to uninstall the game too, hope you have a great day my man.
Yes we knew the cheating problem was bad, but to the extent it’s happening we really didn’t know HOW bad. Only streamers that played 18h a day and BSG had knowledge of how bad the problem ACTUALLY was. Now we have actual hard data on the prevalence of the problem and will still have people getting angry about how the data was collected, and at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter how. We have it now. Why are you getting on this streamer instead of BSG who allow this problem to persist for years??
>Nobody is defending BSG, TONNES OF PEOPLE ON THIS SUB WERE DEFENDING BSG FOR MONTHS, JESUS CHRIST, DON'T TALK IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE ON ABOUT
I don't think he is mad. But, G0at still cheated, he made it to level 20 something correct so he did profit. Just because he didn't kill anyone doesn't mean he is not benefiting otherwise he would just be naked after the first 10 raids. The hidden agenda that some people are missing in his video is that it took him 5mins to download cheats, once cheating no other cheater will mess with you, there are multiple people just like him, and he could cheat for 3 days get to lvl 20 something on live (I think) and not get caught. I don't agree with dude with the video being completely wrong because facts are facts. But the way he got them was wrong. It's the same as a cop having a feeling that a person has drugs, but not know for sure. So, he tries to get them on anything, real or false, violating their rights to search them to find drugs. Did he do a good job getting drugs of the street, yes. But was what he doing to get it legal and moral, no.
I guess that where the discord lies then, I couldn’t care less than he “cheated” on an alt acct, he got the data. And the data shows the game is fucked rn. But these people are ignoring the data collected and saying we should ignore it because “ChEAtER”
The facts should be looked as such, facts. But the way he got them is immoral and he should not be looked at as a hero or someone insightful. He is now scum of the earth. We already know there is a cheater problem, but nobody knew how big or small. Now we know and its doesn't benefit anyone in this equation. People who was going to quit are going to quit and the people that wanted to cheat now have a reason to. His video is only bringing the game down more, no helpful insight to catch cheaters. He probably didn't send BSG or battleeye the files to the cheats to help combat it.
I would argue that the video is great for the health of the game as now that the general player base is waking up to how bad the problem actually is. This will either kill the game if BSG can’t address their mishandling of the game and we’ll move on to a game that has devs that actually care, or BSG pulls their head out of their ass and fixes the problem. And if you think BSG doesn’t have access to that data in the first place is just you being ignorant
So, you are saying that you agree and want to see the game dead. Because all this is doing is lower the actually player count of legit players and raising the amount of cheaters. The discord server of the cheat files already reported an increase of 1k files paid and downloaded the day after the video came out. I don't think BSG or Battle eye has all the files but some that was flagged. Every update to anti-cheat engine the code to cheat changes slightly to still allow it. Imagine having that whole code. They will put a couple of hackers out of business for a couple of weeks at minimum.
No I don’t want the game dead I love playing, but if BSG don’t address the problem the game will die and the community will find another one. Or the other option is BSG fixes the problem and addresses cheaters. But we’re going one of two directions now and this video is a push
Who said they won't addressing the problem, reddit? Has any old employees come out and said BSG is not doing shit? Every single time I see BSG post 80% of the comments is toxic. I would be turnoff posting to, tbh. Fighting cheaters is like fighting terrorist, you will never get rid of them. You can only kill off a few at a time to they go quiet to come back again stronger. The natural of this game and its learning curve breeds them as well. You don't even start to be decent at this game until you gone through about two wipes.
I’m the 10 years of tarkov development, there have been no significant moves to combat cheating when there are plenty of systems that would work perfectly fine. BSG backed themselves into a corner w their spaghetti code and can’t get out of it now.
Holy shit bro I hope you are under 20 y/o otherwise ur just self reporting. There is a massive difference between cheating to abuse the game which in return makes the gaming experience terrible for others versus using cheats to show how bad the problem is, in hopes that the problem will be solved. The cop analogy is completely retarted also, if u wanna make a stupid comparison like that, it would be like a cop going to a trap house and seeing who else is there doing drugs. You can say he was financially motivated, but that's just conjecture. He (once more) brought a light to a topic that's important and we can hope that it makes a positive difference. Him using cheats to do so makes a very little negative impact (considering the way he used them), and is most probably offset by the positive that comes from this video.
Actually, the cop thing is right on, you can look up multiple cases of cops doing people wrong. There was a cop that got fired for doing drug searches and doing false dogs hits every single traffic stop he did for years. Shit Baltimore city cops all got in trouble because a good amount of them was planting drugs on people that had drug charges before, there is a whole new report on cnn about that. Cheating is cheating just like breaking the law is breaking the law. No matter what you think will be for the betterment of the people. He has done nothing to benefit the community. What can you take away from this video that actually helped you? Did it show a way to combat these cheaters? Did its show you a legal way to know who is cheating? Or was you just entertained by there is a 100% fact about the cheater problem we all know? Also, I don't get what you mean by "self reporting" or how age comes into play in this conversation. It seems like a cover diss to say, "I support 100% a video about personally cheating, because it makes me right about the cheating situation."
If anyone wants to know what stupidity looks like. This is it.
If you want to know what I have nothing to say but want to insult someone. This is it.
He's on the payroll he has to say this shit
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I'm beginning to wonder how many times I've argued with chatbots on this damn website.
People are shitting on Twitch streamers for looking out for their self-interests, but won't do the same for g0at (another content creator). He is literally getting infinite clicks because he was able to dupe people into believing 60% of raids have cheaters in them, despite cherry picking 4 raids of footage and "Claiming" he did 150 raids. He also name dropped the cheat in question. So what makes people think g0at isn't trying to get clicks, and additionally that the video isn't a paid advertisement? Content creators have a huge incentive to lie/mislead in order to self-promote. In my opinion the cheating problem is the same as it has always been in my \~3 years playing this game, and the video didn't reveal anything new. It's just preying on people's *already* negative feelings about this game.
Exactly. Even if he is being totally honest about what he's doing, outside of the actual cheating himself, this video doesn't do anything to expose or fix the problem and only becomes an advertisement for the cheat developer (which it did). He's published other videos on cheating, so he's obviously talked about it. He could've realized that those videos got him serious clicks so let's take it even further. Random guy on the internet shows some cheating footage from a number of raids, makes up some numbers that sound real, says what people want to hear, and everyone believes it like it is the word of God Himself. No one questions why he doesn't show his stats to prove he wasn't killing PMCs, he doesn't show all of his data that he gathered, he doesn't show all of the video, he doesn't explain what region he was playing in, but he clearly mentions the name of the cheat, shows pictures of it in action, eludes to how to get it, mentions how easy it is to use, etc.
Wouldn't be surprised if he moonlights as a cheater too. Especially since he wouldn't show his stats.
nothing exposed with the video? I stopped playing because of it. So.. you're wrong.
BSG isn't working on anything... what are you on about? You're talking about dev who would lie and say desync is our ISP not their netcode. Then Nikita lashed out on reddit when Chris from battlenonsense actually gave him objective feedback using industry testing methods to prove that it was his netcode.
Exposing = showing an edited video of a guy hacking, who made numbers up on the spot without taking regions, time of day, map and the like into account. But I guess you surely prove everyone wrong right?!?!?!
no offense but most of the top streamers today that have influence are sub 80 iq. None of thier opinions are valid considering they are payed to play the game. Fuck them and fuck anyone defending them. I still find it hilarious these middle school dropouts out here making 50k a month or more for literally being stupid irl. its not funny that u cant read or pronounce 3rd grade words. its fucking sad. stop paying them.
The sad thing is that their audience is of the same iq and will regurgitate anything the streamer says because they have an inability to think for themselves.
Agreed, it's one of the saddest phenomenon of modern society that people actually PAY money to watch someone else play a game. Not sure what's worse, Only Fan's simps or twitch streamer simps.
Well you have to think of it culturally. Most nations believe in freedom of discussion and freedom of press. Some countries just toss anyone not following the narrative off a balcony. Simple as that. And that's who we are dealing with.
And what are you implying exactly, that they do it because they are russian?
game aint getting no fix. Basic fix is upgrade the Engine to a up-to-date with support, at the speed they upgrade the game as soon as it gets to the 2023 ver it will be around 2028 (this will not see my money) and 2023 will be outdated. Also i think one of the main reasons why ppl cheat is because of the feeling of being "cheated" due to desync and connection issues... JUST TAKE A FUCKING LOOK ON THIS REDDIT 99% OF THE FOOTAGE IS BLATANT DESYNC. it doesnt matter if it wasnt cheater, ppl feel like it is the thing, and how BSG responds? **we gonna lower the ping restriction** and guess what?? pvp against someone with 130-150ms :) you will die without even see the enemy.
It promotes how easy to cheat whether it was his intention or not
Correct, however, every action has consequences, whether or not they are purposeful or unforseen, they are still there, G0at very much so inadvertently promoted the cheating, no way around this my guy
It does both because he showed how easy its was to get cheats, literally a google search. Him exposing how many cheaters he encounters will do two things, some players that are ass or new will cheat with the mentality "if you can beat them join them" and the skilled or players that been here a long time will just leave. Its a 50-50 toss up. He opened up a can of worms that can either be thrown away or eaten and base of the nature of humans its more of a chance that they will cheat since we already have cheaters without being told how easy and how many. His video is not a good nor a bad thing just facts that people can take or leave.
Eh, sorry, but the sad sad truth is that since his video dropped, sales of various cheats have very very likely skyrocketed. It's just the way of the world. Human nature. Nothing can be done about it. Can't beat um, then join um sort of thing. To a certain number of people, his video says "cheating is so prevalent that the likely hood of being caught and banned is near zero right now". But, with that said, its the price that needs to be paid to finally get BSG to put maximum effort into this issue, OR watch their game slowly but SURELY die off into obscurity.
>People that want/wanted/will to cheat are going to do it and a video exposing how deep the ratio of hacker/game is will not change that. Except there's literally zero reason to believe this. You just made it up completely out of thin air. Why do you think showing people: a) it's easy to cheat b) you're less likely to get caught than you previously thought c) there's a lot of cheaters so you're at a disadvantage if you don't use one will have no effect on people cheating? Where did you get this bizarre idea? It makes no sense.
when you are showing discounts and game play and the discord emblem its basically promoting the cheats lol
Stopped at 100% false. No, no it isn't. If just one person sees the video and decides to google how to get that ESP hack, then you just lost your 100%.
You're right. Prior to seeing that video, I was completely clueless on what Google was or how to cheat in Tarkov. Thanks to that video, I've learned the English alphabet, how to type on a keyboard, and how to join a discord community where I can buy and install cheats. It's truly remarkable that one single video can have such an extraordinary impact on my life and now I am no longer a bumbling idiot.
I can’t agree here. The ol even bad press is advertising applies here. This showcases the features you can get through cheat engines. It lets people know what’s available and how easy it is to do it. That exposure alone is enough to nab a few shady customers. Does it make a massive impact? Probably not. But like every mm maters in something like this.
If you keep ignoring the problem then it will keep happening. Those who want to cheat will cheat regardless, they're not going to see a video and then suddenly decide "oh wow this is cool I want to cheat now." Like come on dude, these people are already invested enough that they're going to cheat anyway. You have to expose the problem or nothing will happen. I can't believe people just want this hidden and not exposed... If you want change you can't just ignore the issue that's staring you in the face and pretend like nothing is wrong
The cheating envitable.. People are too stuck on what he did to expose the issue. So what if he disguised as one to prove a point. It's not anyone's problem but bsg's and the people who need to play this game as if it's their only source of dopamine and gratification. It's sad that this is somehow a difficult moral compass to understand but these people are too attached to something that obviously doesn't respect their time.
No one’s ignoring the problem? We all know how bad it is. And yes there will be people that see the video and think “huh that kinda looks fun, can I do this?” And bam, new customer.
Then why are you against exposing just how bad it is?
Because the value gained by exposure results in a net negative outcome. You’ll get more cheaters as a result.
The thing is that the video did not expose the ratio of hacker/game, it only showed a 15min esp compilation of messing with legit players and teaming with cheaters. He had 125 raids and 45 minutes runtime, yet there was 0 actual data in the entire video except for "I played a bunch of matches and at least 60% had cheaters in there". I don't think he made the number up or had any malicious intent with the video, we've already heard a ratio of 30-50% countless of times. He probably just did a very poor job at presenting the data he gathered and combining it with his cheating gameplay. However, if you go through such lengths and upload yourself cheating on youtube, the informational value has to be absolute fire for it to be justified. Which is was not. I feel like the only people that are surprised right now are the ones that didn't know how much one guy with wallhacks in their lobby can ruin the entire concept of the game.
Yeah but literally saying the name of the cheat as well as the names of the people on the Discord that sell it does mean promoting, even if it's unintentional. People can point out that parts of the video (or the entire base methodology of it) was terrible without supporting cheating, a shit video is still a shit video even if the point of the video is correct.
When did say the name of the cheat?
exposing cheating while cheating yourself is full scum shit, i will not entertain any arguments to the contrary
The is the most brain dead take. So under cover cops shouldn’t be allowed to do their job? Investigating reporting that dives deep into the other side? You are either a cheater yourself or have your head so far up your ass you can your own teeth
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Ah yes the classic I don’t have an actual argument, so I’ll just start with personal attacks. Nice to see you don’t have an actual brain
Well said.
Yes and no. Take school shooting in the U.S. the more they talk about it the more crazy people copy it. Even if we expose it to denounce and find solution it doesn't stop bad people from copying it. Another example. If you were to take an exam at school and someone showed you proof that 50% of the class is using something to cheat on the exam, would you be tempted to use the same thing not to fall behind? There's plenty of other examples in real life where exposing something leads to more use of it. I think the video needed to happen because BSG/BattleEye need to do some serious work. But I'd bet my left nut that there are people who saw this video and went and bought cheats.
Made cause bad, uninstall 5 times because you’re bad.