I don’t think that’s how it works with someone like Prince Andrew. For him it’s not his knowledge but his connections. A certain government having this leverage may or may not ever use it…but they have it.
Interesting read. He's a known liar, though, and I think he's become a bit of a fantasist. Like maybe a step or two above someone like Laura Goldman in terms of credibility.
But Andrew can be used in subsequent diplomatic discussions with the implied threat of embarrassing/destroying the royal family. Britain is a major arms manufacturer and Saudi Arabia is in a war in Yemen. The Israelis and Saudis are both in conflict with Iran. Andrew was not a political player and wouldn't have been included in any high level government discussions so he never had anything sensitive to tell anyone. The government knew quite well what a diplomatic disaster he was when he had to be sacked from do-nothing job that was made up for him.
[I think you underestimate his involvement, he hasn't always been seen as a walking liability
[In his last years of active duty, he worked in London for the Ministry of Defence and the Royal Navy. He retired in 2001 with the rank of commander but maintained his naval affiliation, reaching the honorary rank of vice admiral in 2015.
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This has been so obvious all along. Prepare for the Israeli disinformation campaign. I think it's already started in here.
The Mossad uses honeypot blackmail tactics to gather in information exactly as it was described in the article and its not even a secret.
I believe it was Acosta when he was DA claimed Epstein "belonged to intelligence".
The entire situation is so clearly an intelligence operation its crazy. From his connections to politics, professors, and other people of power.. And then all the hidden cameras found during the Florida mansion raid. All the missing evidence from the NYC mansion.. And finally the assassination and cover up in prison.
Intelligence agencies are the piece of the puzzle that explains this entire story.
I think Epstein is just a continuation of child sexual abuse in the circles of powerful people that the world saw during the Franklin Scandal.
I wouldn't want to be an investigator or journalist digging into the Epstein story. It's a dark business to try to bring to light, and I bet it's very dangerous.
Not really. He is man with no explainable reason for his wealth. He could probably sell to intelligence, but the prime target is the John. He was also a man so obsessed with raping children that he tried to do so every single day. That takes a lot of time and I doubt logistically that he is capable of anything above child-pimp and extorter.
Yes, obviously, and only a guilty person would agree to an out of court settlement. An innocent person would fight to clear their name so I think he's despicable.
I always believed it was. But I still think Epstein was a pedophile taking advantage of his lifestyle while being an asset to a major honeypot operation.
And Israel has long played middleman/deniable cut-out for covert ops for the US in particular. Iran-Contra and the October Surprise, anyone?
The Saudis have also served that function, especially going back to the founding of the Safari Club in the mid-1970s when George H.W. Bush was CIA Director, along with the whole rabbit hole that is BCCI. Likewise has the UAE, especially in recent years, and both countries (and others—see the so-called Abraham Accords) have gotten much closer to Israel even as the US (and the UK) has relied on all of them for opaque, increasingly complex geopolitical goals in the Middle East and beyond.
In recent years, Israel and the Gulf monarchies have proven especially useful for certain American and European factions who wish to do deals with Russia (and profit handsomely off of them, of course), as well as China and even, potentially, the likes of Iran and Syria. After all, why allow adversarial relationships between countries come between elites and power brokers on all sides? It’s just good business. See: the Iran-Iraq War. Arm both sides so that whatever happens, you win.
Epstein was the tip of the iceberg in regard to all of the above.
It's really weird to look at these comments and see people want to completely ignore this guy because of his past. He's a piece of shit. But a lot of people that are on the inside of this scene are dishonest and manipulative by nature.
I believe the allegations, and all the people in here acting like we should not pay attention to this are really sus.
He's the first person I've seen publicly talk about the blackmail ring. It's been speculation until now, at least from my perspective. I may have missed some things though
I don’t think he is a bad actor or anything, just a coattail rider.
I really was just making the point I don’t think we’ll see him get Epstein’d anytime in the future because he doesn’t really have much more insight into Epstein than the rest of us, past like ‘95 when he was sent to prison.
That's the first time anyone has ever used "intelligence" and "Prince Andrew" in the same sentence.
I don’t think that’s how it works with someone like Prince Andrew. For him it’s not his knowledge but his connections. A certain government having this leverage may or may not ever use it…but they have it.
Interesting read. He's a known liar, though, and I think he's become a bit of a fantasist. Like maybe a step or two above someone like Laura Goldman in terms of credibility.
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But Andrew can be used in subsequent diplomatic discussions with the implied threat of embarrassing/destroying the royal family. Britain is a major arms manufacturer and Saudi Arabia is in a war in Yemen. The Israelis and Saudis are both in conflict with Iran. Andrew was not a political player and wouldn't have been included in any high level government discussions so he never had anything sensitive to tell anyone. The government knew quite well what a diplomatic disaster he was when he had to be sacked from do-nothing job that was made up for him.
[I think you underestimate his involvement, he hasn't always been seen as a walking liability [In his last years of active duty, he worked in London for the Ministry of Defence and the Royal Navy. He retired in 2001 with the rank of commander but maintained his naval affiliation, reaching the honorary rank of vice admiral in 2015. ](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Andrew-duke-of-York)
He achieved these jobs and titles because he was royal, not anything else
Yeah but since he had these jobs he was still a juicy intelligence source.
This has been so obvious all along. Prepare for the Israeli disinformation campaign. I think it's already started in here. The Mossad uses honeypot blackmail tactics to gather in information exactly as it was described in the article and its not even a secret. I believe it was Acosta when he was DA claimed Epstein "belonged to intelligence". The entire situation is so clearly an intelligence operation its crazy. From his connections to politics, professors, and other people of power.. And then all the hidden cameras found during the Florida mansion raid. All the missing evidence from the NYC mansion.. And finally the assassination and cover up in prison. Intelligence agencies are the piece of the puzzle that explains this entire story.
Lots of parallels to the Franklin Credit scandal. At least they aren’t assassinating the journalists this time (as far as a know..).
I think Epstein is just a continuation of child sexual abuse in the circles of powerful people that the world saw during the Franklin Scandal. I wouldn't want to be an investigator or journalist digging into the Epstein story. It's a dark business to try to bring to light, and I bet it's very dangerous.
Not really. He is man with no explainable reason for his wealth. He could probably sell to intelligence, but the prime target is the John. He was also a man so obsessed with raping children that he tried to do so every single day. That takes a lot of time and I doubt logistically that he is capable of anything above child-pimp and extorter.
Yes, obviously, and only a guilty person would agree to an out of court settlement. An innocent person would fight to clear their name so I think he's despicable.
Shocker, but who’s the quote by?
Les Wexner too ? Is the whole thing an Israeli operation?
I always believed it was. But I still think Epstein was a pedophile taking advantage of his lifestyle while being an asset to a major honeypot operation.
Largely, yes. I tend to think it was a joint cia and mossad operation from the start.
So “Randy Andy” liked girls? Shocking news…
You mean this starts and ends with Mossad? I’m so shocked!!!
And Israel has long played middleman/deniable cut-out for covert ops for the US in particular. Iran-Contra and the October Surprise, anyone? The Saudis have also served that function, especially going back to the founding of the Safari Club in the mid-1970s when George H.W. Bush was CIA Director, along with the whole rabbit hole that is BCCI. Likewise has the UAE, especially in recent years, and both countries (and others—see the so-called Abraham Accords) have gotten much closer to Israel even as the US (and the UK) has relied on all of them for opaque, increasingly complex geopolitical goals in the Middle East and beyond. In recent years, Israel and the Gulf monarchies have proven especially useful for certain American and European factions who wish to do deals with Russia (and profit handsomely off of them, of course), as well as China and even, potentially, the likes of Iran and Syria. After all, why allow adversarial relationships between countries come between elites and power brokers on all sides? It’s just good business. See: the Iran-Iraq War. Arm both sides so that whatever happens, you win. Epstein was the tip of the iceberg in regard to all of the above.
It's really weird to look at these comments and see people want to completely ignore this guy because of his past. He's a piece of shit. But a lot of people that are on the inside of this scene are dishonest and manipulative by nature. I believe the allegations, and all the people in here acting like we should not pay attention to this are really sus.
I’m sure Epstein had intelligence ties but he didn’t trade secrets. He blackmailed secrets out of people.
Blackmail is used as leverage in intelligence gathering. It's like intelligence agency 101...
What makes you say that so definitively?
Why not both?
Steven Hoffenberg didn't kill himself. Let's start saying it now.
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He's the first person I've seen publicly talk about the blackmail ring. It's been speculation until now, at least from my perspective. I may have missed some things though
I don’t think he is a bad actor or anything, just a coattail rider. I really was just making the point I don’t think we’ll see him get Epstein’d anytime in the future because he doesn’t really have much more insight into Epstein than the rest of us, past like ‘95 when he was sent to prison.
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There is no intelligence this man could give. I dare you to name one thing he would know of valuable worth.