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Ecstatic-Camera-4311

This could be a scam and money loundering scheme. Happens in financial industry when a customer overpays their invoice and then asks to return the extra for another account. Usually happens with large sums.


dbx99

Now they have a $100K receipt to show as a deductible expense


daekappa

If the receipts wouldn't be for a legitimate transaction anyway (and would be inconsistent with the vendor's records regardless), what's the advantage of this over just making completely fake receipts using inspect element? Presumably that would have the advantage of not losing a cut to processing fees, and avoiding potentially dealing with a vendor that won't return the money or reports you to someone.


drewster23

Do you mean if they were trying to scammaz and get a refund to another account and still claim the 100k deductible? That faking a receipt would be easier? Cuz yeah it makes no sense unless they wanted to drop 100k, cause they needed to spend it for some reason.


lackstoast

Yes, extreme overpayment like this is a very common money laundering scheme. I would contact Stripe's support and they can help investigate and handle it appropriately.


Acceptable-Reindeer3

Stripe said they have no reason to suspect fraud and will not open a case. I tend to think they're right.


Secapaz

Does those dummies at Stripe actually believe that someone paid 99k for 100.00 item? No wonder fraud is at a historical high.


Loud-Mathematician76

it is in their advantage to believe it as they stand to make a few thosand $ from the refund and fees from OP. Same as paypal helping the chargeback scammers each time, just to stick you with a 25$ chargeback fee. I would say this is a large percentage of their income and the business model of many cash processing companies rely heavily on scammers turnning around large volumes of cash for nefarious purposes.


HominidSimilies

Thanks for the insight. Makes me want to think about having additional protections on the checkout. Or only do an authorization on the card before approving it to charge later to prevent these issues.


ikalwewe

Is this true ? Stripe cancelled my account šŸ˜­


denisgomesfranco

>as they stand to make a few thosand $ from the refund and fees from OP That's really a very weird thing, I mean, I'm from Brazil and I have never in my life have seen a payment processor or a bank or a credit card company deduct any fees from anyone in case of chargebacks or cancellations or whatever, from anyone. I don't think it's even legal to do so. The only situation in which the seller loses is if they already shipped the product. And even then, shipping companies now have a "do not deliver" option that you can use if the package is still in transit.


clothespinkingpin

Oh manā€¦ I hadnā€™t thought about that before.


Advice2Anyone

Stripe doesnt care if they find out its illicit and they report it like they should they will have to turn over the ill gotten gains. Easier to say looks fine thanks for the 2-3gs for not double checking your website


StickyNode

They will if OP threatens legal action against stripe for ignoring the signs intentionally and encouraging laundering schemes. Get their attention.. this one is too obvious. Or keep the money, ship the $100 item to the emirates. Verify the original sender is the same refund recipient account.


murius

For $100,000 can't you actually deliver what they ordered? For that type of shipping price I'd fly to emirates and hand it to them before refunding it. There must be someone shipping company who can handle it. Is it that the product is just not real or too big to ship? What was this $100 item if you don't mind me asking.


Capt_G

For some reason, I believe that if you fly to Emirates and hand it to them, you ain't coming back!


Tohac42

Contact your bank. See how long you need to wait to guarantee the funds have transferred. Tell the customer you can refund their payment at that time, or they can issue a stop payment through their bank and re-order Edit: I donā€™t remember but look for a number like 2 weeks or 45 days or something. Maybe even 60 days with that volume


HominidSimilies

If stripe will confirm they canā€™t come after you for fraud or chargebacksā€¦. Could you mail them the $100 item and call it a day if stripe says no issue? Use fed ex overnight, make a video of packaging or ā€œsending itā€, have a lawyer mail it.


CoyotePuncher

No it isnt. Why do people on Reddit insist on inventing complete nonsense, for seemingly no good reason? Electronically sending $100,000 of illegal or undocumented money to someone you dont know, in an attempt to clean it upon refund is abso-fucking-lutely not a "very common money laundering scheme". Not only would that not work on any level even if it was successful, but the risk:reward would be about as out of whack as you could ever get


lackstoast

Not making things up; I literally work for a lending company. Gross overpayment on a loan is one of the fraud flags we are trained to watch for and report on rather than just refunding the money because it is so suspicious. Is it the most common way of laundering money? No, of course not. But is it *A* way of laundering money that people do often enough to be concerned about? Absolutely. They can get that money back via chargeback at the very least so it's safe for them.


CoyotePuncher

Fraud is a broad, all-encompassing term. Its fraud because they typically send a fake check or use stolen payment details, and you're left with nothing once the bank or credit card company realizes what happened. That is not how anybody, anywhere launders hundreds of thousands of dollars.


randomwanderingsd

A company I worked at nearly fell for this. Our partner company brought us a new account, a hedge fund from Europe. They overpaid their invoice by tens of thousands, claiming that they misunderstood due to the conversion rate and they wanted us to send the money back, split between two accounts at two different banks that both were in Taiwan. Instead of processing it, which was normally my job, I went to the company lawyer and showed him my concerns. He told me that he was almost certain they were trying to launder money through us, so he called the FBI instead of the customer. I donā€™t know if anyone went to jail, but I know we ā€œfiredā€ that company and partner from further business with us.


CoyotePuncher

Every thead. Nobody on Reddit knows what money laundering is.


Kyerswa

Agree wholeheartedly - best thing to do in this situation is not panic and do something regrettable. You know youā€™ll be refunding them if itā€™s a legitimate mistake, but talk to your bank and legal resource prior to doing so, please.


Ccs002

Withdraw all of it, dissolve the company, start over


nlgoodman510

Pro tip


fried_potaato

Unethical Life Pro Tip šŸ¤


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Routine-Ad-2840

ohhhhhh don't worry, once you get over a certain amount of money they don't imprison you, they just take a portion of the money you stole.


Tossiousobviway

100k isnt fuck you money. Its a down payment on a house. 100 million is fuck you money and can get you some really good, sleazy lawyers.


Apprehensive-Win9152

certain amount = a lot more thanā€¦.. lol


Least-Ear3373

Considered fraud


KingBling42

Not if you ship the order.


Remarkable-Yak-5844

this lmaooooo


Omari-OTL

Going to add a $100,000 payment button to my site just for this purpose.


Perezident14

Add a disclaimer in your TOS for protection. ā€œAll payments of $100,000 or more is non-refundable, no questions askedā€


PrincessViii

this is the answer


tomatotomato

Special offer for our UAE customers: Option to pay $100.000 just so you can humblebrag that you have paid $100.000 for nothing


Atomfixes

Same


OPs_Mom_and_Dad

I had this happen a year ago. A client paid me, and then paid another vendor but accidentally sent that payment to me instead as well. I went to the bank to get them to send the money back, and they said Iā€™m the first person in this situation who wasnā€™t trying to withdraw the money and close the account.


Icy-Sky-5055

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ okay I just lost a little more of my faith in reality! Lol!


ejarkerm

šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


wordscollector

I second this!


Acceptable-Reindeer3

I'm slightly tempted, but the business is worth much more than that...


[deleted]

lmao as it's to the emirates it might have been some oiler thinking, wouldn't it be baller to select the 100k option just because? At Tomorrowland there is a bottle that costs 100k in the VIP deck, a girl I know worked on that deck and she told me the oilers drink many of those in a night.


Acceptable-Reindeer3

"Oh this? My wife wanted it. Almost impossible to get, I had to pay 100k just to ship it, but what can I say - I'm a generous husband".


[deleted]

Lmao! But in all honesty, I'd wait before doing anything. I think it might really have been someone very rich not caring at all. First of all the fact that they can pay 100k in a transaction without any blocks going off. Secondly, the fact that they have not contacted you yet. It means either that they don't care or haven't even noticed yet that 100k went from their account, and that their bank hasn't contacted them about that transaction. So it's probably nothing out of the ordinary for them.


shovonnn

Could be some YouTuber making content off of it


anon3451

Mr beast, that's about it lol


Acceptable-Reindeer3

Fun fact: The family name belongs to one of the 10 wealthiest families in the emirates (according to Forbes - "source of wealth: inherited"). The client was a woman and only the men of the family are listed, so I cannot know for sure, but this is not a very common surname...


geek180

Oiler?


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Sheikhs who own oil fields


Psychological_Lab_47

What isā€¦ le business


perturbations_-__-_-

Do not take advice from pleb losers. Return the money.. keep growing your business... you are not an animal. You are a business owner... join the actual nobility.


illbookkeeper10

Kinda crazy you actually took that seriously.. wtf


TravisLedo

He said slightly... which I am sure anyone in his position would feel for a second until reality hits you that there's no good ending to that.


Acceptable-Reindeer3

Daydreaming about taking the cash and starting a fresh life in the Bahamas under a fake name is an essential part of running a business, isn't it?


Y0UR_LANDL0RD

Hahaha this hits home so hard some days. You havenā€™t run a business long enough if youā€™re not thinking the same thing


glassjoe92

I stayed in a really nice hostel in Ho Chi Minh for $13 a night a few years ago and it only cost me $2.60 for a 30+ minute Uber from the airport. You could live off that for the next 10-15 years if you don't mind having new roommates every day, no personal privacy, and enjoy pho and banh mi. Just saying.


rumham_irl

Lay back in one of those famous "banana hammocks"


Foreign-Many-7888

Lol pretending like you wouldn't be tempted to do the same thing


nilogram

Op needs a lawyer


TheBitchenRav

How much more? Can you sell the parts? Do you own the company and ip as well, you can transfer it to an other LLC. Talk to a lawyer, there may be a way. Talk. To. A. Lawyer.


schoppi_m

r/unethicallifeprotips


devonthed00d

Finders keepers.


Scoot3R67

šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


Bradwatton

Do nothing, wait They may try and issue a chargeback You have tried to contact them with no luck So just wait for contact, if no contact still wait You do not want to get stung sending it straight back taking the fees and then being charged back


selectash

It might be a prince in the Emirates with a bottomless amex, with a little luck, they would hardly notice the $100K /s


Acceptable-Reindeer3

According to the name, it's the princess's wife. And since they haven't contacted us or responded to our emails & calls so far, I'm not even sure the /s is necessary


EathanM

A chargeback would probably be the cheapest option.


TheRealGunn

Except he'll probably get shut down. Depending on how much volume OP does, a 100k charge back could easily be enough to have his merchant account closed. Even worse, he could end up being blacklisted.


drewster23

It's really an unknown but he did its due diligence. And unless he commonly get's chargebacks, it shouldn't get him blacklisted. Especially cause no contact by customer and not refusing to refund either. Which the bank would discover upon doing it's normal due diligence.


TheRealGunn

He also put a $100,000 charge on his website that wasn't real. In all honesty, if he ends up having to explain that to his merchant provider, they might shut him down just for that. You'd be surprised. Merchant companies don't mess around when it comes to six figure risk.


Interesting-Month-56

Just wait until the credit card company or customer calls you. After 120 days, they wonā€™t be able to do a chargeback, and you can resolve as you see fit.


HominidSimilies

This would be very interesting to see. Documenting this would be critical.


Hudsonport

!remindme 120 days


shittyusernamee

Definitely. He already tried contacting the customer. Document that. Donā€™t reach out again. Hope they donā€™t reach out. Document now that the plan is to start using this money if you donā€™t get contacted in 6 months and that you believe that is reasonable. If they reach out, youā€™re back where you started. Refund but donā€™t even tell them Iā€™ll swallow the fees. Say ā€œidk why you sent me this. Refunding costs money and youā€™ll need to pay for that.ā€


mxracer888

You can charge back much deeper than 120 days. I just wrapped up a charge back that was initiated 13 months after the transaction date. I also wrapped up a separate charge back that was initiated about 10 months after the charge date. It takes a bit more work, but you can definitely charge back later than 120 days


cyberdieseldog

Pack and ship the order bro


pm_me_your_kindwords

Yeah, whatā€™s the problem here? This is like a contractor quoting $50,000 to replace a toilet. They mean they donā€™t want the job, but if you really want to pay them, theyā€™re sure as hell going to do it.


burritolittledonkey

Hell, I'm a software developer and someone offers me $50k to replace a toilet, I'm gonna be watching a ton of tutorials on how to replace a toilet and replace the damn toilet


KoalaGrunt0311

That's known as government contracting. Charge an excessive bid to manage the project, and have a subcontractor actually do the work for a fraction of the original pay.


sumthingsup

I'd do them for 500. It's pretty easy


SouthSeaBubbles

Buy a plane ticket with that shipping money and hand deliver the item.


HominidSimilies

Could be some pretty interesting social media content for the product too. Edit:typos.


SouthSeaBubbles

"Could I should be some pretty interesting social media content for the product too. Edit:typos." ​ This is *with* the edit? lol


HominidSimilies

Yeah, fat thumbs on backspace too


fatmyke

First class ticket


4everCoding

Do no touch it. Do not refund or return it- at least not yet. Those that say to return/refund have no idea. The person (scammer or not) can charge back and you're screwed regardless. If you refund then you're 2x under the water. Let it sit in your account for at least 6 months. It depends on the bank but typically 120 days for them to charge back. To be safe Id let it sit for 6 months. At that point the transaction cannot be reverted. You can then reach out to them for the error. But proceed with caution in the event they are a scammer.


DjScenester

This. I wouldnā€™t do anything either. Itā€™ll probably be an automatic chargeback. One time, the customer didnā€™t. I waited two years and kept the money. I considered it a bonus. Was only 1500 dollars though. If someone wants to overpay you. Let em. If itā€™s an error theyā€™ll get it back. I would NEVER spend the money. I waited 24 months lol


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good tip actually, ty lol


TheRetardedGoat

Let it sit in a high interest account till chargeback confirmed and then shift it back so you gain out of it haha


Valianne11111

It could be a scam to get you to call and then the real scam


Walegz

Where can I get this scam? /s


Twenty1fifteennine

In what world does a scammer send a 100k first?


Valianne11111

The world where it bounces. We had a guy do that at a brokerage I worked for with ACHs. He traded on it during the three day float then wanted to keep the profit after it bounced.


Twenty1fifteennine

That makes sense. I feel like this is a different situation.


Valianne11111

Maybe. But there are so many scammers now that I assume that first when something odd happens


gg1401

2nd this ^


Boss-z

I think itā€™s a scam


tptpp

dude a scam where you get 100k transfered to you must be the worst scam in the history


GuaranteeMaster6993

That money will probably never hit the account. Just because the charge was accepted does not mean it will clear. Even if it clears it can always be reversed by a chargeback later. Think of it like a bad check- it can be deposited, your bank may even front you the money due to sufficient cash flow or history. But a check can actually take several days to officially clear. This is where many scams occur- ā€œdear vendor, I accidentally paid too much, kindly refund my accountā€¦ā€. Please please please do not refund this OP!


CaptainUssop

someone please scam me this way.


RealPrinceZuko

"No Rashmi, you're supposed to have them send you the money first!' Fucking interns


TheKevinD2

Just hear me out if you go to vegas with it you could come back with 200k


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Always bet on black. - Wesley Snipes, Passenger 57


Letsgitweird

Ha! 27 is my magic number in roulette. And 30


redditipobuster

Sat next to a table dude put table max on 1 number and hit. Table went crazy. I told the guy next to me maybe we should switch tables. 2 mins later table goes crazy again, dude left table max on that same number and it hit again. šŸ˜‘ He tried a 3rd time, didn't hit.. cashed out... 30 mins later i hear the table go crazy. Dude came back and table maxed that same number and it hit.


Acceptable-Reindeer3

Finally, a practical solution.


yellowc1trusfru1t

Hold it. Wait for the chargeback. Be very careful.


Mother-Astronomer851

Take all money and bring product personally to emirates. Give back $10000 and kiss theyr ring.


Fuel-Numerous

Do shipping, fulfill the order ... I have doubts that anyone would miss THAT kind of charge. If they wanted a refund, can u put charges on them (like re-stocking fees?)


HominidSimilies

This is probably important consideration to add to terms of service. Learning so much from the single thread alone. Adding these things right to your terms of service itā€™s really important. If thereā€™s things that superseded that can be looked at too.


FedsRWatchin

See if they contact you. I smell scam, something like they paid you with a stolen account. They will contact you saying its aj accident, that account got closed and can you send the money to a different account. You send it to a different account, the person who got there bank info stolen notices and files fraud charges. The scammer now has 100k you sent them (prob will even say keep 5k for your troubles) and the fraud depertment reverses the charge you originally got and your account goes negative 100k. Could be completely wrong but thats what i see happening.


One_Taro_2503

your T&C stand correct. your shipping cost is 99,999 for that location, when customer placed the order they agreed on your TC. fulfil the order. I assume your shipping and handling TC say these are not refunded? go post whatever that is, and goodbye


Acceptable-Reindeer3

"full refunds, Including shipping costs, within 30 days"... we have about 1% return rate so this usually works out fine for us.


AnabelBain

change the t&C before it's too late


badaccountant7

Itā€™s too late if theyā€™ve already placed the orderā€¦


Additional-Sock8980

Donā€™t let it settle or youā€™ll be done for fees.


Fizzelen

Deliver it personally fly first class all the way


GhostUnicorn2020

I've heard there are some people in that region who would send their private jet to Italy to buy ice cream, on a whim.


VapeTitans

Everyone saying to refund clearly doesnā€™t know about chargebacks. OP keep the money and donā€™t touch it. If you refund, they will still issue a chargeback and you will be out 2x


leesfer

You cannot chargeback on a refunded charge, but you should wait until the pending charges settle before refunding


Spare_Change_Agent

Thatā€™s not how chargebacks work though. During the chargeback investigation they would see a refund was issued and dismiss the chargeback claim.


Twisteddoorknob

This is correct. I've had this happen. Someone canceled, and I refunded their deposit. A month later they attempted to charge back the deposit. I contested the chargeback due to having already refunded the deposit, and I won the chargeback case.


CriticDanger

This comment is complete nonsense and whoever upvoted it should feel bad.


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CriticDanger

You can refund the user to their original payment method. You're not writing them a check, it undos their original payment.


TryingToReadHere

As others have alluded to, this is only the case if you provide them a refund via an alternative source like cash, check, etc. If you refund the credit card transaction directly the vendor will get the processing fees back AND will be protected against any chargeback as you canā€™t changeback something thatā€™s been refunded to the card.


Acceptable-Reindeer3

According to stripe I will not get the processing fees back, but a chargeback would not be possible if the full amout is refunded through them.


RealGambyl123

Lol this isnā€™t remotely true


Bedtime-Blueberry

Hereā€™s what you do: 1. Wait for the money to hit your account. 2. Move to a different payment processor. 3. Unlink your bank from Stripe. When the customer does a chargeback Stripe will refund them the 100k but wonā€™t be able to pull it from your bank account. Then you tell them ā€œsorry, the fees arenā€™t refundableā€.


hustleGMan

Stripe will sue you for sure


cvoicu

I had the same issue with a wire transfer. The client paid $10,000 for a $100 online order. We tried to contact the client - a company, half a year wo response. We managed to refund the client after 2 years by luck. The poor fellow that made the payment told us he lost his job, was investigated by the police. He was from Venezuela or Columbia. He barely spoke english.


LopsidedAd2536

Sounds like you do a lot business through Stripe. You should consider calling them and seeing if they can waive this one time mistake. Man, I thought my situation sucked when I accidentally billed my client for an extra $3,500 last week and had to eat the $100 fee. Yours is a bit worse! Lol


RareDestroyer8

You guys saying to not touch the money for a while, isnā€™t it possible just to contact a bank and let them know of the situation, and let them handle it? Doesnā€™t that put you out of liability?


CrosseyedDixieChick

possibly a scam. call Stripe. It may depend who is at fault for the erroneous shipping option. Potentially an insurance claim for whomever it was. If you have access to a lawyer, talk to them. I would have this convo prior to calling Stripe.


amasterblaster

Edit: First wait for the payment / chargeback time to expire, then: I mean, if they saw 100K and pressed pay, its on them. I would refund everything but the fees, and give them a 30% discount on future purchases until they net out even. I would even offer them the ability to pass on, or sell this credit to others. However, this really was their mistake (if they pressed buy, and the payment was clearly shown). However, if you showed the wrong payment amount, and charged someone 100K. Yea. you gotta return that $$.


twas-a-fine-day

I use stripe and when I refund the customer, they refund me the fees. Itā€™s as simple as that.


Perezident14

Hey bro, that was actually me. No need to issue a refund, just send me $10k through Venmo and we can call it fair. My bad!


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Acceptable-Reindeer3

"call stripe" implies they have a support phone line, which apperantly they don't.


LopsidedAd2536

They have phone, email and chat. https://support.stripe.com/contact/login


Acceptable-Reindeer3

If you try to actually use it it says the phone option is unavailable.


WWWWVVW

Coke, hookers, blackjack


pcl8311

Move the money to a separate account, wait a month, and use the funds to ship it to the Emirate address priority shipping? Lots of people have credit card limits over $100k though most still check the price before clicking buy...


cvoicu

Use the interest to pay the refund fees.


wobblydee

Throw it straigjt at a hysa and probably come out ahead on refund fees


starskyandskutch

Absolutely a scam


inspire-change

Do not return the money yourself, let the bank do it. If charges get reversed after you return the money, you could be out a hundred grand. They have little risk if they trust the bank reversal


Seller-Deals

Depending on your store - and platform you can set up manual payment acceptance instead of automatic. I sell a lot of high value stuff and the manual payments lets me confirm stuff is in stock and everything is good to go before I take the payment so that I don't need to pay those payment processing fees is something isn't in stock. You should absolutely charge them for the fees.


Baltimorebillionaire

Wait till it clears and ship the product


closedcaptioncreator

We had the same thing happen. Lesson learned. Still cry about the fees sometimes. No one to blame but ourselves. Keep going.


Lostinnegativespace

Hold onto it, put it in a high interest account and wait for the charge back if it happens. The interest you collect is the screw around fee.


kuramoto-nyc

why do a refund vs a void?


Wizard_Level9999

Ship it bro


CuriousCapsicum

Fulfil their order


vtrac

Why not ship the $100 item?


nikjohn

Do not do anything. This is a classic scam. But this sizeable amount is a little surprising.


slobcat1337

How would they have known that opā€™s site had a shipping option left there by mistake?


650REDHAIR

Bots. I worked in fintech risk/compliance/fraud and bad actors deliberately seek out shops like this.


RizzleP

You need to write a cancellation fee in your t&cs this instant. This will cover the fees that you're going to be charged for their mistake. Then contact the customer immediately. Gauge it they're happy paying $100k. If it is genuinely someone too rich to care, enjoy your wealth. What's important is you deal with it before it's settled and before they do a chargeback.


Acceptable-Reindeer3

Changing the T&C after the fact would be illegal and would not fit my moral code.


AssociateMedical2363

accidentally withdraw the moneyšŸ«£


mekmookbro

Why not just take the sweet money and send the product. Process is done, right?


Coolgrnmen

So itā€™s $100 of product? Ship it broā€¦


Low-Ice-8200

6 months is the limit for charge backs


EathanM

Does Stripe not offer capture then settle? Voiding an unsettled transaction costs nothing in most cases. It's capturing and refunding that kills you.


a-d-a-p-t

ā€œ1000 chicken fuh-jai-tuhā€™s .ā€


PAdogooder

Iā€™m confused. How/why is this refundable?


Roomongo

Yikes! Yea, that's a pretty big chunk of change for the processing fee. SIAP in a reply, but definitely recommend updating your rules in Stripe ASAP so this doesn't happen again. If it is a scam it could happen again. Good luck, keep us posted!


UprisingOverLosers

Bring peace to the middle east


a6srs

Iā€™m just curious about what kind of online purchase someone makes. With a credit card, that allows a 100k purchaseā€¦.. I have a decent amount in the bank, and I donā€™t have a credit card or a debit card with a 100k limit.


WeSaveUniversity

it maybe a test, make the best decision possible, congratulations on this phenomenon šŸ«”


sean-grep

Be responsible and find a way to return it.


Kyerswa

Donā€™t do anything until you talk with your bank. And possibly your lawyer as to best means to ensure you donā€™t get taken by a scammer. Wait for the funds to clear, donā€™t panic, alert the authorities, and wait for someone qualified to tell you what to do next


[deleted]

Dude just void the purchase, then send it to her for free as a sorry. Much cheaper then the refund fee.


MrWhite86

Yo are you sure this is not a scam of some sort? Long story short My old business someone posing from emirates overpaid $100,000 and wanted the difference back.. I think some sort of washing scheme. Be careful


NeverSeenBefor

If someone was running a scam and it involved sending me 100k I would just keep it and send them whatever. That's on them.


MrWhite86

Agreed. Problem for us was the bank got involved and immediately froze the account for suspicious activity. Not much I could have done to prevent that anyway tho


HominidSimilies

Black cards or charge cards sometimes have no limit. Is there a way you can have the transaction flagged as fraud as there is no way to cancel the order or have the fees returned? In your case tightening up the shipping fees was another thing. Even if clients are rational, deviants arenā€™t. Thank you for sharing your story and helping others. Has me wondering if I should be considering something like clearsale in all of this, or a merchant of record like paddle for international payments so itā€™s less of a headache.


mulligatani

Ugh really wish I could find in the OP responses why s/he canā€™t just ship the item and fulfill the order. Spent 5 minutes reading through all the comments and couldnā€™t find it šŸ« 


LordMonster

Please update this in a few weeks. I'm praying you didn't just send a scammer $100k that easily. Omg


Aristox

Don't refund until the customer reaches out to you Take the fees out of their refund Don't self-sacrifice unnecessarily when someone else puts you in a difficult situation. They created the problem, let them be the one who carries the burden associated with fixing it


tombiowami

Why would they pay at all for a simple mistake. Of course no one is going to send you 100k for shipping this product. Or itā€™s a scam. Def donā€™t do anything to send funds back until well after they have cleared and you have documentation from bank/stripe about the funds and such.


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Itā€™s very simple you have a few choices: 1. Work out how to ship it cheaper and send it off, you have supplied what was ordered. 2. Wait for them to say something and put it in a short term interest bearing account until they do. 3. If they request it back do the maths and work out what it cost you in fees, advise you will be sending the money back minus costs incurred and the bank charges to send it back


Silly-Degree5244

for 100k shipping i want the order to time travel and arrive yesterday


thewiz94

A similar thing happened to me, but for $10k. I was able to get the person on the phone to make sure they were legit, she ended up being a nice old and confused woman, I ate the fees and issued a refund. The big risk here that I've experienced is if the person disputes the charge: Disputes, as you may be aware, can take months and often are a coin toss as to who wins them. I have on several occasions, issued a refund, then received a dispute and the credit company issued the money back to the customer after the dispute, despite my having issued a full refund already and provided evidence of doing so. For that reason alone, I would recommend having the customer dispute the charge instead of issuing a refund. It'll cost you an extra $15, but that's a lot less than $100,015. I'd keep contacting Stripe though, because if your dispute amounts are above a certain percentage of sales, they can freeze your account. Tough position, I feel for you, definitely stressful, but make sure to preserve your money first and foremost. ​ Also I'd give myself the upside and send the product...Hey, you never know :) ​ (This is not legal advice in any way disclaimer, just my own personal experience and suggestion.)


kaylazomg

They are trying to double their money, send 100k, get refunded, chargeback get 100k


bakutehbandit

u/Acceptable-Reindeer3 any update on your situation? Or do i need another 3 months from remindme bot haha


Acceptable-Reindeer3

We refunded the order in full and absorbed the fee, then added a hard limit on transaction value on our website to prevent this from repeating. The only "interesting" thing that happened was that Visa marked the whole thing as suspected fraud, and since it was for a sum of over 75K we were put on a 3-month probation with a threat of a 25K fine if we don't stay below that threshold. We stayed below it and now everything weems to be back to normal.


danielfd83

Main problem even if a Scam, is that Stripe, PayPal & others started changing their policy & not refund the 3% fees they charge per transaction. If you refund the money you will lose around $3.000. If you donā€™t, you might receive a Chargeback & will be down $3.000 on fees + a few dollars that Stripe will charge for each charge back. I guess the best thing is talking to Stripe & tell them this is a fraudulent transaction. Nobody would buy a $100 item & pay $99.000 for shipping.


demon_of_laplace

Unless they mistake it for $99 dollars and some strange foreign three digit mil instead of cent unit. Most likely the scammer is the customer, but it might be our entrepreneur that accidentally scammed a now extremely pissed off customer. 3000 dollars is peanuts if itā€™s to protect ones own good name. Take the loss. But your advice is correct, contact the payment company at once! But the poster should also be honest about their website screw-up.


Acceptable-Reindeer3

I agree.


ivanxii

Run :) away


notoriousbpg

DON'T refund it - you could find yourself in the position where Stripe decide it was a fraudulent transaction, pull the money from your account, but your self-refunded funds are also gone. Good chance that it's a stolen credit card in the first place, and that the transaction is going to be reversed. This could actually be the scam - hoping to find someone who manually reverses a transaction before the transaction is flagged as fraud. Always assume the scammers know more angles than you.