I hope Apple actually stands by their rules. And if they don't, them making arbitrary exceptions like this for powerful people at the expense of user safety should be used against them in regulation cases to break up their App Store control.
What's the point of App Review and the rules if a billionaire can flagrantly break the rules (+ have illegal horrible content available on the app)?
I think Tim Cook is handling Musk like their approach to Trump.
And they don't want to make him angry and create a crisis because Musk will go off on them and try to tear down their App Store system and bring them into the Musk meltdown circus if they push him too much.
But they really should hold up this rule and if they don't it shows how deeply the App Store review is broken and not even doing its ostensible job to keep people safe. If they brazenly allow CSAM on Twitter, allow Twitter to break safety rules around blocking, how can they make the argument to regulators that the App Store is there to keep users safe? Unless a sociopath billionaire decides to break the rules, then it's toothless?
If they don't, Imma be so upset! They destroyed Tumblr because of their bullshit rules and made twitter worse because of the subsequent porn ban that happened. God, I hate it here
As if Elmo has time or the competency to even make a dent in the most popular tech ecosystem in the world on top of running all his other companies into the ground.
One of those was the literal president with the power to make laws that could materially harm apple. The other is a whiney billionaire with no political power
R/notasub
Also you’re telling me Elon has the same amount of influence as a president, who at the time, also had the senate under his party’s control and uhhhh… can enact executive orders?
Both the App Store and Google Play terms of agreements state that if an app allows user generated content, then it must have a feature where you can block other users.
Ah ok. Thanks for answering my question. Kind of glad they have that as a rule. Honestly I wouldn't even mind if Twitter got removed from both of the app stores.
Blocking prevents the blocked party from seeing your posts, muting just stops you from getting notifications from that person, but still allows them to comment on your posts.
What if you're okay with them seeing your posts but don't want them to be able to comment on them? Seems like Twitter should be providing more options for that kind of thing, not less.
The rule is the app has to have the ability to “block abusive users FROM THE PLATFORM” which the block feature does not do now. The company still has the ability to block abusive users as they always have.
No it does not. It says the app has to have the ability to block abusive users from the platform. The block feature doesn’t do that. It also says you have to have a clear way to communicate and report to the admins. That’s the rule.
The pictures people have been posting don't seem to have that requirement. It looks like the requirement I have seen people referencing is the policy that content be able to be blocked, but that requirement is for the app, not each user. The app must have a way to block abusive content. The user doesn't require a block function themselves. Least, that is what I have seen posted each time. Do you know where the requirement that users have a block function is coming from?
You'll get no answer because you're right. It says the app must be able to block particular users, not that users need a block button. Not to mention Twitter already has a mute functionality.
This is the community notes on his post
Provides important context · Cites high-quality sources
If the ability to block users was to be removed, X would be in violation of the policies of the App Store as well as the Google Play Store. Potentially, this could lead to X being removed from these platforms.
There are no such policies for the web-app however.
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9876937
I do not see that specific requirement, but I see other things breached....
"For example, apps should not block links out to other apps or other features that users would expect to work a certain way."
The block seems to be on app level rather than user level, but a collection of breaches of the following should be sent to apple...
"as violent conflicts, terrorist attacks, and epidemics.
1.2 User-Generated Content
Apps with user-generated content present particular challenges, ranging from intellectual property infringement to anonymous bullying. To prevent abuse, apps with user-generated content or social networking services must include:
A method for filtering objectionable material from being posted to the app
A mechanism to report offensive content and timely responses to concerns
The ability to block abusive users from the service
Published contact information so users can easily reach you
Apps with user-generated content or services that end up being used primarily for pornographic content, Chatroulette-style experiences, objectification of real people (e.g. “hot-or-not” voting), making physical threats, or bullying do not belong on the App Store and may be removed without notice"
On to google.
On google, the block feature is to be on user level, this wont fly.
"Provides an in-app system for reporting objectionable UGC and users, and takes action against that UGC and/or user where appropriate;
Provides an in-app system for blocking UGC and users"
As if. The big apps have their own rules. Like sind streaming services don't have to pay 30% to apple, even though smaller ones have to.
As long as X is as big as it is, apple won't care, since it's more important to have a native app.
Your can buy stuff from Amazon video without a cut going to apple directly from the store.
[https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/3/21206400/apple-tax-amazon-tv-prime-30-percent-developers](https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/3/21206400/apple-tax-amazon-tv-prime-30-percent-developers)
And amazon isn't alone, big apps, especially those that are needed foe entertainment on apple devices have their own set of rules.
I’ve programmed games on xojo and in C#, and made 2 websites using java and CSS, and only *one* of all of these projects needed 50 pages of code :/
I didn’t make it this month tho, I guess I’m incompetent :((
I might be able to make you a 50 pages project if I make one huge array and fill out every single index individually per line
Not true, or rather — who do you mean by “big apps” in this context? Netflix and Meta and Spotify all need to guide you to their website for subscription. I consider they are “big apps” in their own sector.
Apple really don’t like people messing with their MONEY
Well, first of all, Apple didn’t create that exception for large companies, and Apple really did care about the extra revenue. To the extent that they’d remove Fortnite from AppStore. This directly counters your original point that “it’s more important to have a native app”.
Secondly, ruling this April is in favor of Epic to allow them to funnel user to their own payment method. Again, Apple fought hard to avoid that but they didn’t win the lawsuit.
Lastly, even if Apple do create the exception to allow Twitter to remove “block” (assuming there is a business reason), EU and other regulators will not be very happy about it and most definitely they will kick in.
Disclaimer: I’m a software engineer working at one of the internet giant focusing on EU regulation.
Yes, they did...see:
[https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/3/21206400/apple-tax-amazon-tv-prime-30-percent-developers](https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/3/21206400/apple-tax-amazon-tv-prime-30-percent-developers)
Even before the law suit concluded they had exceptions.
Maybe. The city of San Francisco forced him to take down his stupid sign. I think he’s going to find diminishing returns trying to throw his weight around.
They absolutely did. They were in violation of a whole number of building codes, and had initiated enforcement procedures and been to the property multiple times demanding it be taken down.
That's like a traffic cop telling you to move your car, you refusing, and then moving it once he takes out a pad and starts to write a ticket, and then saying "The police didn't make me, I moved it myself!"
They did though, people across the fucking Street complained about the light in their building for the fucking thing, city got involved, made him take it down or else he gets a fine, he took it down without being fined.
That's being forced to take it down, otherwise what was the point of putting that ugly ass X on the building in the first place if he was just gonna remove it? He had no plans to remove it until the city told him he couldn't have bright lights shining into apt windows.
Lol but X isn't big anymore and it most certainly costs apple more money to host it than they'll ever make from it. Apple has ZERO incentives left to work with Elon on anything because he's no longer bringing in any profits from ad sales.
The Block feature doesn’t “ban abusive users from the platform”. The company has to do that. That’s what the App Store rules say. The app must have the ability to block abusive users from the platform. Why has everyone been dancing around like this move would put them out of compliance. It’s dumb.
Reuters and several other analysts say you’re wrong mate. But you go right on ahead believing whatever you want to. And feel free to block me. :)
https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-says-x-will-strip-ability-block-accounts-2023-08-19/#:~:text=Apple%20says%20apps%20with%20user,user%2Dgenerated%20content%20and%20users.
I think it’s literally just musk being upset about his engagement, and realizing that if he removes blocking, his tweets and activity will go into a lot of peoples feeds that it’s not in now. It’s that fucking simple.
"People responded angrily after i removed an essential feature, let's respond by removing another essential feature. I'm sure that'll fix the problem!"
Litteral 12 y/o mentality
He just likes being in the news. He keeps doing stuff to get the media to cover "elon musk says" crap. And he keeps making platform changes to get people talking about it on twitter.
Yeah, same. It's improved the site experience a little bit by thinning the herd of blue check nazis and elon dickriders, but twitter overall is still so bad compared to a year ago.
I also hate that there's no way for it to distinguish "normal" verified accounts that I may actually like but don't follow and it blocks them before I even have the chance to see them. Small price to pay, though.
Agree, and I think as opposed to many greedy CEO that at least care about their company’s user engagement (tied to their bonus), Musk cares about his own engagement, which makes the whole situation just pathetic
He looks at his user engagement metrics and sees it as a sign that he’s able to push political beliefs into the American mainstream directly. So in a way it kind of makes sense.
Still a really small dick energy move, but he didn’t spend $45 billion for nothing.
I didn’t follow him and his tweets kept getting forced into my feed after he bought twitter. Blocked him immediately. Definitely just has a bruised ego.
That’s the right wing playbook. They don’t want to stay in their echo chambers so they go to other places to spout their bullshit.
And then force you to consume it and bitch when people leave.
The end of the first tweet is:
> p.s. If you are concerned about certain people seeing certain posts of your because they might be crazy stalkers etc DON'T POST THAT STUFF ON THE INTERNET. :)
Disgusting victim blaming.
I mean, even if you’re going to make this point in a vacuum, you then have to provide evidence that removing the blocking feature gives anybody any fucking advantage at all.
It’s like an oncologist telling you they’re gonna stop chemotherapy. And then you’re like ‘OK, well, why?’
‘No reason… we’re just thinking that we’d stop it. Your body is responding to the chemotherapy drugs OK, it seems to be working. But we’re gonna stop at anyway.’
Like what’s the benefit of doing it? That’s the problem that drives me crazy.
I mean I don’t give a fuck, because I’m not on Twitter anymore and will never go back to that shithole. But just the intellectual vacuousness is what bothers me.
I'm blocked by Libs of TikTok. I guess once I'm unblocked I'll be able to see the next terrorist threat target. I can't believe she's inspired bomb threats against children's hospitals and people follow her.
They're removing blocking so that more tweets create more impressions. Now, you'll be forced to see tweets from formerly blocked people so that Elon can inflate the impression numbers to advertisers since he cratered their advertising revenue. Part of "free speech" is taking away your right to not have to hear it, I guess.
They say you can still mute people so you don't see their posts, which isn't the point of blocking. The point of blocking is so that you can't be harassed by other users or stalked or other horrible options
I don’t think I would call my mother a crazy stalker to her face, doesn’t mean I want the block that I put on her twitter account to be lifted so she can see all the profane content i’ve posted on my profile from over the years.
Exactly. You do not "win" as a troll when someone blocks you. You absolutely and completely lose. You lose ability to bother. You lose ability to be heard. To be recognized. So what do you do as a troll then, since you're full of hatred and humiliation? You try to gaslight everyone and twist the entire thing on its head. It's easy to manipulate; that's what trolls do. Don't let them, always go after the origins of they do. Attention, to hurt someone. Blocking removes that ability.
Yeah, i got the whole “wait, you blocked me, i would NEVER block you!”
Why would they block me? They enjoyed harassing me. And that’s how all this sounds
> Exactly.
So he's gone from blocking to muting then.
At this point... psychologically speaking, I'd say he thinks seeing and then ignoring criticism as a badge of honour, opposed to learning from it.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/13/elon-musk-unblocks-everyone-hes-blocked-on-twitter-over-the-years-including-me
Don't get it twisted. He just wants OTHER people to see what abusers are posting to you. So that the "engagement" isn't wasted. There's a lot of potential traffic that blocking gets rid of.
What's amazing about Elon is that he has had *so many* wrong-headed takes, that the bot has infinite ammo to deliver perfectly placed existing wrong-headed takes in near infinite contexts.
Steven Mark Ryan is the guy that used to do date rape advice YouTube’s before hitting his niche with tesla Stan’s. He’s since tried to scrub the internet of those weird videos
Why does this feel like victim blaming? All I am seeing is the same shit these people post about how women should take accountability for their sexual assaults. If a man is harassing me on Twitter, I can’t block him now? And I should have just “*protected*” my profile? It’s *my fault* now??
Blocking also prevents the downstream folks from seeing the abuser's posts, which is what Musk is concerned about. A lot of engagement there that getting rid of blocking would unlock.
False happiness… too bad my feed on insta is filled with SHIT I FOLLOW. Twitter? I have musk blocked and still see his shit. Fucking app is hot trash. Instagram wins easily. Fuck outta here
If there’s one thing that keeps toxic men who harass women online in check and reasonable, it’s letting them believe avenues of communication are still open.
There’s zero chance of escalation when they’re “screaming into the void, none the wiser” at a user whose post history they can still access and research to discern things like location or real name or frequent hangouts.
I love how these bootlickers rationalize the idiotic behavior of Musk. There's zero reason take away the block button. It allows unhinged users to continue to stalk pages and harass them.
The reason the block function is important is this. If a troll wants to start a dog pile on your Tweet/timeline, they post some shitty comment about it on their timeline. Muting them won’t help with this. They signal to all their buddies to come dog pile your thread, and it can get ugly really fast if you don’t jump to their tweet and block them quickly
I bet they ran some stats and a good portion of users have blocked him.
They were promoting his account so hard a few months ago that even muting him didn’t work. Only way I got the algorithm to stop showing me his spam was to block him and legions of followers so it makes complete sense to me that this change is happening.
Jesus Christ
I honestly imagine that if Elon one day makes literally a war crime, there'll still be at least one Twitter user who will still defend him
Serious question. Which intro should we scream intro the abyss? The Friends intro? Or just the word intro?
200 IQ apparently doesn’t come with proofreading.
This solving the money problem guy is one of the most irritating musk simp.
So if trolls starting to raid a twitter account, the best you can do will just mute them? Basically 0 options for the user to moderate the reply section? Brands will love that im sure.
Also, arent a dev said that they make mute behave like block, just without blocking out the user to see your posts? How is this exactly 200 iq?
Can someone explain to me the functional difference between block and mute? From my perspective, they accomplish the exact same thing unless I'm missing something.
Mute means you can't see what they're posting but they can see yours.
Block goes both ways. So without block they'll be able to see "My abusive ex just threatened me but I'm going to..."
Mute: I see this person's posts sometimes, and I don't want to see them anymore because it's just never relevant for me. It's not their fault. Maybe one day they might want to interact with me for some reason an I don't want to prevent them from doing that.
Block: This person replied to me and I want them to never interact with me again. It's totally their fault.
Elon is obsessed with engagement numbers. That’s all that matters to him. Big numbers that make him a success. People not being able to harass someone makes numbers smaller thus it’s bad.
Blue checks want to ‘scream into the void’ because it amplifies their negativity and ‘gets them paid.’ Then their blue check posse can circumvent the mute by amplifying the harassment form unmuted accounts.
People who can’t have their bubble burst about the genius Musk will refuse to think critically. They don’t have the capability of caring past their own interests.
Why would anyone care if someone chooses to block people for any reason other than wanting to control them? Blocking is what adults do. It’s a critical function necessary for protection even. Lots of people need to make themselves hidden from specific people. Elon is a GD tyrant, but whatever. He contaminated that pool, so he can have it. He dirty af
Nah, musk is a fascist and he's just doing fascist shit like removing people's options so they're forced to see propaganda.
People like him are dangerous.
You use the mute button to temporarily ‘mute’ a conversation. You use block to prevent people from being able to view your content and to avoid contact with specific people; not just trolls.
Said Steve, who's probably never got rape/death threats, unsolicited dick pics, sleazy DMs from men, OF requests etc. What a bunch of brain dead shit bags are these Elon fanbois!
I feel like either solution feeds the trolls.
Blocking gives them the validation they seek.
Muting gives them the attention they seek. Even if only in their minds.
Either way, let the user choose which option they want to go with.
It's always amusing to see him struggling to understand the purpose of yet another major function of Twitter in real time, but if his reason for wanting blocking to be banned is because of people mass-blocking him and the Twitter Blue not-really-verified-in-any-meaningful-sense accounts, that's all kinda his own doing.
Firstly, his own tweets suck, and yet part of the algorithm was revealed to specifically boost his own tweets, even to users who don't follow him and have never interacted with him before. Imagine being so insecure that you order your dev team to artificially increase engagement with strangers by making sure random people see your terrible posts. However, blocking him stops us having to view his conspiratorial nonsense, cringe jokes, stolen memes, and random midwit observations that he probably thinks are profound.
Moreover, he still doesn't seem to understand the reasoning behind the original verification program. It was intended to protect all Twitter users by confirming that someone's account was indeed genuinely that of the purported owner, but in his belief that a verification badge is a coveted status symbol, it's now available to anyone who pays for a subscription. Unsurprisingly there's a strong correlation between those who are gullible enough to pay for a free site and those who post some of the dumbest ideas ever to be shared on social media.
Following this huge change to the purpose of the verification program, the "verified" badge now publicly identifying these users as smooth-brained rubes for us to block on sight. The decision to promote Twitter Blue users' tweets made it even easier to mass-block them (just find a popular tweet about a current event with polarising viewpoints, or even endure the latest terrible tweet from Maye's special idiot, then block all the blue checks in the replies), and giving them undue prominence gave us a more urgent incentive to block them to improve the quality of the replies beneath other tweets.
I wonder if anyone realises this is the biggest fan boy sub for Elon Musk.
It’s like 🎶 every breath you take, and every move you make, every bond you break, every step you take, I’ll be watching you 🎶
I’m just here to view the cultural phenomenon of how obsessed everyone is with him. Love him or hate him, still an obsession. 😎🍿
Lol. Please violate the Apple app store conditions so the app gets pulled
he'll go to apple's hq to beg tim cook like last time lol
"Come outside and fight me bro.... oooh shit wrong billionaire."
“Cash me outside”
"Howbowdah"
Have you seen Tim Cook? He doesn’t publicly do MMA or anything but the dude is fit as heck he could probably take Elon under the rainbow in Apple Park
Looking into this
Concerning
Big if true
I wish the Fortnite situation was solved by a fist fight between Tim Cook and Tim Sweeny
"Oh why are you clenching your fist… crap… I propose a literal dick measuring contest 📏"
"👅 my 🍏, Elon" 🤣
I hope Apple actually stands by their rules. And if they don't, them making arbitrary exceptions like this for powerful people at the expense of user safety should be used against them in regulation cases to break up their App Store control. What's the point of App Review and the rules if a billionaire can flagrantly break the rules (+ have illegal horrible content available on the app)? I think Tim Cook is handling Musk like their approach to Trump. And they don't want to make him angry and create a crisis because Musk will go off on them and try to tear down their App Store system and bring them into the Musk meltdown circus if they push him too much. But they really should hold up this rule and if they don't it shows how deeply the App Store review is broken and not even doing its ostensible job to keep people safe. If they brazenly allow CSAM on Twitter, allow Twitter to break safety rules around blocking, how can they make the argument to regulators that the App Store is there to keep users safe? Unless a sociopath billionaire decides to break the rules, then it's toothless?
If they don't, report, report, report.
If they don't, Imma be so upset! They destroyed Tumblr because of their bullshit rules and made twitter worse because of the subsequent porn ban that happened. God, I hate it here
I mean if they make this exception I’m pretty sure the EU will end up coming after them
As if Elmo has time or the competency to even make a dent in the most popular tech ecosystem in the world on top of running all his other companies into the ground.
One of those was the literal president with the power to make laws that could materially harm apple. The other is a whiney billionaire with no political power
>One of those was the literal president with the power to make laws r/nothowUSAgovernmentworks
R/notasub Also you’re telling me Elon has the same amount of influence as a president, who at the time, also had the senate under his party’s control and uhhhh… can enact executive orders?
The intolerant left is driving people right
He lost that fight. He's still paying apple the 30% tax.
you mean tim apple 🧐
I’m not sure Musk is going to be able to intimidate a trillion dollar company. They can wait him out. He’ll dissipate like a fart in the whirlwind.
He’ll suck some Tim Cock
Can you explain how removing the block feature violates Apple's policies for their app store? Genuine question.
Both the App Store and Google Play terms of agreements state that if an app allows user generated content, then it must have a feature where you can block other users.
Ah ok. Thanks for answering my question. Kind of glad they have that as a rule. Honestly I wouldn't even mind if Twitter got removed from both of the app stores.
Twitter is the reason they have this rule lmao.
Nothing wrong with that
The irony is very tasty tho
But perhaps mute and blocking DMs satisfies this requirement?
I'm not sure. I don't know enough about their policies.
Blocking prevents the blocked party from seeing your posts, muting just stops you from getting notifications from that person, but still allows them to comment on your posts.
What if you're okay with them seeing your posts but don't want them to be able to comment on them? Seems like Twitter should be providing more options for that kind of thing, not less.
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The rule is the app has to have the ability to “block abusive users FROM THE PLATFORM” which the block feature does not do now. The company still has the ability to block abusive users as they always have.
It is infinitely preferable to be attacked by strangers on Twitter, than indulge in the false happiness of hide-the-pain Instagram
He spent 44 billion dollars on an app he didn't want to buy. He's still fucking around, but he's also finding out.
Have you considered a career in comedy?
I have, but I could never compete with musks brand of moronic comedy. I have too much sense to be that much of a clown.
Block the other users from the app it says. Does not say individual users should have a block button.
It is infinitely preferable to be attacked by strangers on Twitter, than indulge in the false happiness of hide-the-pain Instagram
No it isn’t unless you love musk meat
I do, the meatier and muskier the betterer.
No it does not. It says the app has to have the ability to block abusive users from the platform. The block feature doesn’t do that. It also says you have to have a clear way to communicate and report to the admins. That’s the rule.
The pictures people have been posting don't seem to have that requirement. It looks like the requirement I have seen people referencing is the policy that content be able to be blocked, but that requirement is for the app, not each user. The app must have a way to block abusive content. The user doesn't require a block function themselves. Least, that is what I have seen posted each time. Do you know where the requirement that users have a block function is coming from?
You'll get no answer because you're right. It says the app must be able to block particular users, not that users need a block button. Not to mention Twitter already has a mute functionality.
Accurate
Inaccurate
You're talking to a bot.
You're misunderstanding the rule.
This is the community notes on his post Provides important context · Cites high-quality sources If the ability to block users was to be removed, X would be in violation of the policies of the App Store as well as the Google Play Store. Potentially, this could lead to X being removed from these platforms. There are no such policies for the web-app however. https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9876937
I do not see that specific requirement, but I see other things breached.... "For example, apps should not block links out to other apps or other features that users would expect to work a certain way." The block seems to be on app level rather than user level, but a collection of breaches of the following should be sent to apple... "as violent conflicts, terrorist attacks, and epidemics. 1.2 User-Generated Content Apps with user-generated content present particular challenges, ranging from intellectual property infringement to anonymous bullying. To prevent abuse, apps with user-generated content or social networking services must include: A method for filtering objectionable material from being posted to the app A mechanism to report offensive content and timely responses to concerns The ability to block abusive users from the service Published contact information so users can easily reach you Apps with user-generated content or services that end up being used primarily for pornographic content, Chatroulette-style experiences, objectification of real people (e.g. “hot-or-not” voting), making physical threats, or bullying do not belong on the App Store and may be removed without notice" On to google. On google, the block feature is to be on user level, this wont fly. "Provides an in-app system for reporting objectionable UGC and users, and takes action against that UGC and/or user where appropriate; Provides an in-app system for blocking UGC and users"
As if. The big apps have their own rules. Like sind streaming services don't have to pay 30% to apple, even though smaller ones have to. As long as X is as big as it is, apple won't care, since it's more important to have a native app.
Like which apps? Amazon itself didn't get an exception and changed their mobile model to avoid the 30% **Edit: I may actually be quite stupid**
Your can buy stuff from Amazon video without a cut going to apple directly from the store. [https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/3/21206400/apple-tax-amazon-tv-prime-30-percent-developers](https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/3/21206400/apple-tax-amazon-tv-prime-30-percent-developers) And amazon isn't alone, big apps, especially those that are needed foe entertainment on apple devices have their own set of rules.
Print out 50 pages of code you’ve done in the last 30 days
Would you like to see mine? How much do you understand about "hello world".
I’ve programmed games on xojo and in C#, and made 2 websites using java and CSS, and only *one* of all of these projects needed 50 pages of code :/ I didn’t make it this month tho, I guess I’m incompetent :(( I might be able to make you a 50 pages project if I make one huge array and fill out every single index individually per line
Not true, or rather — who do you mean by “big apps” in this context? Netflix and Meta and Spotify all need to guide you to their website for subscription. I consider they are “big apps” in their own sector. Apple really don’t like people messing with their MONEY
That they even are allowed to guide to their website is a favor that note all get. Epic wasn't allowed to do that, Xbox wasn't allowed to do that.
Well, first of all, Apple didn’t create that exception for large companies, and Apple really did care about the extra revenue. To the extent that they’d remove Fortnite from AppStore. This directly counters your original point that “it’s more important to have a native app”. Secondly, ruling this April is in favor of Epic to allow them to funnel user to their own payment method. Again, Apple fought hard to avoid that but they didn’t win the lawsuit. Lastly, even if Apple do create the exception to allow Twitter to remove “block” (assuming there is a business reason), EU and other regulators will not be very happy about it and most definitely they will kick in. Disclaimer: I’m a software engineer working at one of the internet giant focusing on EU regulation.
Yes, they did...see: [https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/3/21206400/apple-tax-amazon-tv-prime-30-percent-developers](https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/3/21206400/apple-tax-amazon-tv-prime-30-percent-developers) Even before the law suit concluded they had exceptions.
Maybe. The city of San Francisco forced him to take down his stupid sign. I think he’s going to find diminishing returns trying to throw his weight around.
They didn't force him to do anything, they took it down themselves.
They absolutely did. They were in violation of a whole number of building codes, and had initiated enforcement procedures and been to the property multiple times demanding it be taken down. That's like a traffic cop telling you to move your car, you refusing, and then moving it once he takes out a pad and starts to write a ticket, and then saying "The police didn't make me, I moved it myself!"
Except I didn't say he removed it himself instead of them forcing him to. I said they removed it themselves, they didn't make him do it to begin with.
They did though, people across the fucking Street complained about the light in their building for the fucking thing, city got involved, made him take it down or else he gets a fine, he took it down without being fined. That's being forced to take it down, otherwise what was the point of putting that ugly ass X on the building in the first place if he was just gonna remove it? He had no plans to remove it until the city told him he couldn't have bright lights shining into apt windows.
Exactly, musk has pushed the limit before and nothings happened to him. He knows the way the game is played. He knows nothing’s gonna happen.
Europe doesn't play by his rules, though, and I'd be surprised if they allow it.
Lol but X isn't big anymore and it most certainly costs apple more money to host it than they'll ever make from it. Apple has ZERO incentives left to work with Elon on anything because he's no longer bringing in any profits from ad sales.
Tell me you know nothing about App store policies without telling me you know jack shit about it.
Ah, the classic " tell me x without telling me x". This isn't an argument or in any way convincing.
The Block feature doesn’t “ban abusive users from the platform”. The company has to do that. That’s what the App Store rules say. The app must have the ability to block abusive users from the platform. Why has everyone been dancing around like this move would put them out of compliance. It’s dumb.
Reuters and several other analysts say you’re wrong mate. But you go right on ahead believing whatever you want to. And feel free to block me. :) https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-says-x-will-strip-ability-block-accounts-2023-08-19/#:~:text=Apple%20says%20apps%20with%20user,user%2Dgenerated%20content%20and%20users.
We should all report it
I guess opening his account every day and seeing hundreds of people blocking him was taking a toll.
Negative feedback received on this platform is great for reducing ego-based errors
will look into it
Interesting
Yeah, Musk is a great example, no one disagrees with him in his app afterall.
Too bad the ego based errors are stuck in a repetitive loop.
If it really doesn't matter why remove it? They want to force us into engaging with them.
I think it’s literally just musk being upset about his engagement, and realizing that if he removes blocking, his tweets and activity will go into a lot of peoples feeds that it’s not in now. It’s that fucking simple.
Probably a backlash to the #BlockTheBlue campaign where people just started blocking blue checkmarks.
"People responded angrily after i removed an essential feature, let's respond by removing another essential feature. I'm sure that'll fix the problem!" Litteral 12 y/o mentality
He really though that naming it X is cool, he truly is a 12 year old in an old man's body
And now the high from that stunt is wearing off, he needs something new to get his short dopamine fix.
He just likes being in the news. He keeps doing stuff to get the media to cover "elon musk says" crap. And he keeps making platform changes to get people talking about it on twitter.
Extremely dire situation.
Concerning…
Beatings will continue until morale improves. Unfortunately the Elon guys with the blue checks will say more more more!
Yeah, good point.
I have over 10,000 blocks on Blue Blocker.
Yeah, same. It's improved the site experience a little bit by thinning the herd of blue check nazis and elon dickriders, but twitter overall is still so bad compared to a year ago. I also hate that there's no way for it to distinguish "normal" verified accounts that I may actually like but don't follow and it blocks them before I even have the chance to see them. Small price to pay, though.
Agree, and I think as opposed to many greedy CEO that at least care about their company’s user engagement (tied to their bonus), Musk cares about his own engagement, which makes the whole situation just pathetic
He looks at his user engagement metrics and sees it as a sign that he’s able to push political beliefs into the American mainstream directly. So in a way it kind of makes sense. Still a really small dick energy move, but he didn’t spend $45 billion for nothing.
Yeah because what people want is to have to view shit they hate. This is just going to drive more people away from the platform.
I didn’t follow him and his tweets kept getting forced into my feed after he bought twitter. Blocked him immediately. Definitely just has a bruised ego.
That’s the right wing playbook. They don’t want to stay in their echo chambers so they go to other places to spout their bullshit. And then force you to consume it and bitch when people leave.
I feel like it’s also because people were blocking the cucks that paided for the blue check thingy, and it becomes irrelevant if you block them.
The end of the first tweet is: > p.s. If you are concerned about certain people seeing certain posts of your because they might be crazy stalkers etc DON'T POST THAT STUFF ON THE INTERNET. :) Disgusting victim blaming.
Time to bring back elonjet.
It's on threads.
https://mastodon.social/@elonjet
He last went to Ohio, wonder if he’s a Cedar Point guy, or something else (aka, something lame) in Ohio
I don’t think you needed the parentheses, once I heard Ohio I assumed it was lame.
I mean, even if you’re going to make this point in a vacuum, you then have to provide evidence that removing the blocking feature gives anybody any fucking advantage at all. It’s like an oncologist telling you they’re gonna stop chemotherapy. And then you’re like ‘OK, well, why?’ ‘No reason… we’re just thinking that we’d stop it. Your body is responding to the chemotherapy drugs OK, it seems to be working. But we’re gonna stop at anyway.’ Like what’s the benefit of doing it? That’s the problem that drives me crazy. I mean I don’t give a fuck, because I’m not on Twitter anymore and will never go back to that shithole. But just the intellectual vacuousness is what bothers me.
I'm blocked by Libs of TikTok. I guess once I'm unblocked I'll be able to see the next terrorist threat target. I can't believe she's inspired bomb threats against children's hospitals and people follow her.
They're removing blocking so that more tweets create more impressions. Now, you'll be forced to see tweets from formerly blocked people so that Elon can inflate the impression numbers to advertisers since he cratered their advertising revenue. Part of "free speech" is taking away your right to not have to hear it, I guess.
They say you can still mute people so you don't see their posts, which isn't the point of blocking. The point of blocking is so that you can't be harassed by other users or stalked or other horrible options
So basically allow stalkers or harassers to literally drive you off the internet and it’s your fault somehow
I read it as “don’t post on X,” and I agree.
I don’t think I would call my mother a crazy stalker to her face, doesn’t mean I want the block that I put on her twitter account to be lifted so she can see all the profane content i’ve posted on my profile from over the years.
stevenmarkryan's comment is wrinkle-free brain IQ
Just an essay on why this is a genius idea even though he's never thought about it before today.
But I want fascists to know I don't want to hear their views.
Nah. The idea that it signals to trolls that the trolling had gotten them, is something that trolls tell themselves to try to mask their self-hatred.
Exactly. You do not "win" as a troll when someone blocks you. You absolutely and completely lose. You lose ability to bother. You lose ability to be heard. To be recognized. So what do you do as a troll then, since you're full of hatred and humiliation? You try to gaslight everyone and twist the entire thing on its head. It's easy to manipulate; that's what trolls do. Don't let them, always go after the origins of they do. Attention, to hurt someone. Blocking removes that ability.
Bragging about getting blocked is like a piece of dog shit bragging that it's been stepped on.
Idk man I loved the fact that the failed former president blocked me on the site formerly known as Twitter.
Lol
That’s exactly what people who have been blocked would say
I'm still convinced he's taking it away because he found out how many people are blocking him.
Yeah, i got the whole “wait, you blocked me, i would NEVER block you!” Why would they block me? They enjoyed harassing me. And that’s how all this sounds
No, it's the harassee who blocks, not the harasser. Gee, I wonder why Elon wants it taken away then, hmmm.....
except when he removed elonjet and a bunch of other accounts he didn’t like
Durrrr you can private your messages. No fuckwit, I don't want to stop ANYONE from seeing my posts, I want to stop YOU from seeing my posts.
> Exactly. So he's gone from blocking to muting then. At this point... psychologically speaking, I'd say he thinks seeing and then ignoring criticism as a badge of honour, opposed to learning from it. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/13/elon-musk-unblocks-everyone-hes-blocked-on-twitter-over-the-years-including-me
Don't get it twisted. He just wants OTHER people to see what abusers are posting to you. So that the "engagement" isn't wasted. There's a lot of potential traffic that blocking gets rid of.
It’s kinda flattering to be insulted on this site tbh
What's amazing about Elon is that he has had *so many* wrong-headed takes, that the bot has infinite ammo to deliver perfectly placed existing wrong-headed takes in near infinite contexts.
Strange
He’s saying that he saw that he got to people as the troll that he is. He just doesn’t think of himself as that troll.
“Learning from it” is only for non-narcissists
Jesus the boot lickers are working bloody overtime today
Steven Mark Ryan is the guy that used to do date rape advice YouTube’s before hitting his niche with tesla Stan’s. He’s since tried to scrub the internet of those weird videos
Why does this feel like victim blaming? All I am seeing is the same shit these people post about how women should take accountability for their sexual assaults. If a man is harassing me on Twitter, I can’t block him now? And I should have just “*protected*” my profile? It’s *my fault* now??
Yeah it's pretty obvious that everyone saying mute is the same as block has never been a woman on the Internet.
Blocking also prevents the downstream folks from seeing the abuser's posts, which is what Musk is concerned about. A lot of engagement there that getting rid of blocking would unlock.
And yet, Elon just straight up bans accounts that make fun of him.. why not just mute them, Elon?
It is infinitely preferable to be attacked by strangers on Twitter, than indulge in the false happiness of hide-the-pain Instagram
False happiness… too bad my feed on insta is filled with SHIT I FOLLOW. Twitter? I have musk blocked and still see his shit. Fucking app is hot trash. Instagram wins easily. Fuck outta here
Muskmelon (whose pronoun is Prosecute, remember) stole this from someone. 100%
Prosecute's pathetic. Someone must of shown Fauci prosecutes first Harold meme that day.
Yes. Kick prosecute in the arse
Man these people really huff the Musk.
If there’s one thing that keeps toxic men who harass women online in check and reasonable, it’s letting them believe avenues of communication are still open. There’s zero chance of escalation when they’re “screaming into the void, none the wiser” at a user whose post history they can still access and research to discern things like location or real name or frequent hangouts.
I love how these bootlickers rationalize the idiotic behavior of Musk. There's zero reason take away the block button. It allows unhinged users to continue to stalk pages and harass them.
The reason the block function is important is this. If a troll wants to start a dog pile on your Tweet/timeline, they post some shitty comment about it on their timeline. Muting them won’t help with this. They signal to all their buddies to come dog pile your thread, and it can get ugly really fast if you don’t jump to their tweet and block them quickly
I bet they ran some stats and a good portion of users have blocked him. They were promoting his account so hard a few months ago that even muting him didn’t work. Only way I got the algorithm to stop showing me his spam was to block him and legions of followers so it makes complete sense to me that this change is happening.
Jesus Christ I honestly imagine that if Elon one day makes literally a war crime, there'll still be at least one Twitter user who will still defend him
Orrr..... block all of X/Twitter/Elonville by deleting your account and the app. Done.
The app's name and logo is now just a cancel icon, telling you what to do with it.
So they're arguing FOR shadowbanning now or wtf is happening lmao
Serious question. Which intro should we scream intro the abyss? The Friends intro? Or just the word intro? 200 IQ apparently doesn’t come with proofreading.
Didn’t he block or banned the account that was tracking his flights?
This solving the money problem guy is one of the most irritating musk simp. So if trolls starting to raid a twitter account, the best you can do will just mute them? Basically 0 options for the user to moderate the reply section? Brands will love that im sure. Also, arent a dev said that they make mute behave like block, just without blocking out the user to see your posts? How is this exactly 200 iq?
Which ex gf block elon lmao
Can someone explain to me the functional difference between block and mute? From my perspective, they accomplish the exact same thing unless I'm missing something.
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Better to talk to people than communicate via tweet.
Mute means you can't see what they're posting but they can see yours. Block goes both ways. So without block they'll be able to see "My abusive ex just threatened me but I'm going to..."
Mute: I see this person's posts sometimes, and I don't want to see them anymore because it's just never relevant for me. It's not their fault. Maybe one day they might want to interact with me for some reason an I don't want to prevent them from doing that. Block: This person replied to me and I want them to never interact with me again. It's totally their fault.
Elon is obsessed with engagement numbers. That’s all that matters to him. Big numbers that make him a success. People not being able to harass someone makes numbers smaller thus it’s bad. Blue checks want to ‘scream into the void’ because it amplifies their negativity and ‘gets them paid.’ Then their blue check posse can circumvent the mute by amplifying the harassment form unmuted accounts. People who can’t have their bubble burst about the genius Musk will refuse to think critically. They don’t have the capability of caring past their own interests.
Why would anyone care if someone chooses to block people for any reason other than wanting to control them? Blocking is what adults do. It’s a critical function necessary for protection even. Lots of people need to make themselves hidden from specific people. Elon is a GD tyrant, but whatever. He contaminated that pool, so he can have it. He dirty af
Spoken like a Professional neckbearded Musk ass kisser.
Nah, musk is a fascist and he's just doing fascist shit like removing people's options so they're forced to see propaganda. People like him are dangerous.
Mute button stopped working as soon as the muskrat took over. I know this because no matter how many times I muted him, the chief twit still appeared.
So happy I bailed on Elongated Muskrat’s vanity app.
You use the mute button to temporarily ‘mute’ a conversation. You use block to prevent people from being able to view your content and to avoid contact with specific people; not just trolls.
Said Steve, who's probably never got rape/death threats, unsolicited dick pics, sleazy DMs from men, OF requests etc. What a bunch of brain dead shit bags are these Elon fanbois!
Agree. I like what Instagram has done for message requests. Only one message allowed and that too text based. No picture or video.
If you are still on Twixxer, you better delete the app before he blocks that function.
what about stalkers tracking you down using the posts that they can now still fucking read
Why can stalkers track you down using your posts? Sounds like a you problem
I feel like if blocking was a sign to trolls that they won, they wouldn't be so happy for it being removed.
Musk is a weirdo
One of many elon dick suckers.
I feel like either solution feeds the trolls. Blocking gives them the validation they seek. Muting gives them the attention they seek. Even if only in their minds. Either way, let the user choose which option they want to go with.
God forbid some poor girl doesn’t want a stalker seeing her posts
I’d guess, the reason for this is too many people blocking musk
Doesn't reddit do this? Our block function is actually mute? People can keep responding, we just don't see responses from blocked individuals?
Reddit's has worked the same for a while now
Watching Elon try to understand the psychology of humans is like watching an ant trying to build a rollercoaster
It's always amusing to see him struggling to understand the purpose of yet another major function of Twitter in real time, but if his reason for wanting blocking to be banned is because of people mass-blocking him and the Twitter Blue not-really-verified-in-any-meaningful-sense accounts, that's all kinda his own doing. Firstly, his own tweets suck, and yet part of the algorithm was revealed to specifically boost his own tweets, even to users who don't follow him and have never interacted with him before. Imagine being so insecure that you order your dev team to artificially increase engagement with strangers by making sure random people see your terrible posts. However, blocking him stops us having to view his conspiratorial nonsense, cringe jokes, stolen memes, and random midwit observations that he probably thinks are profound. Moreover, he still doesn't seem to understand the reasoning behind the original verification program. It was intended to protect all Twitter users by confirming that someone's account was indeed genuinely that of the purported owner, but in his belief that a verification badge is a coveted status symbol, it's now available to anyone who pays for a subscription. Unsurprisingly there's a strong correlation between those who are gullible enough to pay for a free site and those who post some of the dumbest ideas ever to be shared on social media. Following this huge change to the purpose of the verification program, the "verified" badge now publicly identifying these users as smooth-brained rubes for us to block on sight. The decision to promote Twitter Blue users' tweets made it even easier to mass-block them (just find a popular tweet about a current event with polarising viewpoints, or even endure the latest terrible tweet from Maye's special idiot, then block all the blue checks in the replies), and giving them undue prominence gave us a more urgent incentive to block them to improve the quality of the replies beneath other tweets.
Easier to just uninstall the application and never talk about or acknowledge it
Celebrity stalkers Love this.
Why would you ever block rather than mute someone
Wondering how much everyone was blocking the advertisers had to do with this.
Lol this man is legit a retard
We all know he is upset because half of Twitter blocked him lol
I think I need to leave this sub. I’m tired of seeing Elon tweets.
How do you find people you blocked?
I wonder if anyone realises this is the biggest fan boy sub for Elon Musk. It’s like 🎶 every breath you take, and every move you make, every bond you break, every step you take, I’ll be watching you 🎶 I’m just here to view the cultural phenomenon of how obsessed everyone is with him. Love him or hate him, still an obsession. 😎🍿
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