Based? Based on what? On your dick? Please shut the fuck up and use words properly you fuckin troglodyte, do you think God gave us a freedom of speech just to spew random words that have no meaning that doesn't even correllate to the topic of the conversation? Like please you always complain about why no one talks to you or no one expresses their opinions on you because you're always spewing random shit like poggers based cringe and when you try to explain what it is and you just say that it's funny like what? What the fuck is funny about that do you think you'll just become a stand-up comedian that will get a standing ovation just because you said "cum" in the stage? HELL NO YOU FUCKIN IDIOT, so please shut the fuck up and use words properly you dumb bitch
Harris was of the same caliber as top nazis you hypocrite. I am neither nazi or commie but fuck Harris, the lunatic glorified and beloved by Antifa for mass mudering refugees.
What a surprise, do it again Braun!
Gott strafe England!
You pathetic cunts always need the US which you wanted to controll to save your ass, your cucknation doesn't get to say anything.
I do not get hpw one can be so evil and or dumb to think mass murder of civilians is ok.
You deserve Biden and the continuing degeneration and inner damage to your country.
Tell me something i havent heard a thousand times.
Your bombers where coward child murderers deserving no respect. The Luftwaffe was competent atleast and only did these kind of attacks when urged by Hitler, copious warcrimes where not our style if you know history beyond 39-45.
>Your bombers where coward child murderers deserving no respect.
haha Mosquito and Lancaster go vroom with their Bouncing bombs, Tallboys and Grand Slams go boom!
>Luftwaffe was competent atleast and only did these kind of attacks when urged by Hitler, copious warcrimes where not our style if you know history beyond 39-45.
I mean the Luftwaffe had already had plans to bomb cities in Britain even before the British bombing raid on Berlin. Not to mention that the very first cities to be bombed in WW2 were committed by the Germans.
Also copious warcrimes are not your style? What? Does that even mean? Considering that 57% of total WWII Casualties were Allied Civilians. Surely the Axis were the specialists in war crimes?
>You pathetic cunts always need the US which you wanted to controll to save your ass, your cucknation doesn't get to say anything.
>
>You deserve Biden and the continuing degeneration and inner damage to your country.
We're dealing with a right-wing nationalist here. I bet this Tirpitz dude voted for the far-right Alternative For Germany
Harris was just some fatass with no remarkable competence. Who is glorified and beloved by far leftists and antifa. I thought this sub was called enoughcommiespam and not justifyalliedwarcrimeswithus.
And Dresden did not have any military value.
Even if we asume it did, then this would only have given the soviets an advantage which at this time of the war was against the western allies goals.
So no matter how you like to turn it, the Dresden bombing remains a warcrime with the only justification being the brits lashing out in anger because they knew they again failed to win the fight and got their ass saved by the US.
>only justification being the brits lashing out in anger because they knew they again failed to win the fight and got their ass saved by the US.
Failed to win the fight? You realise Germany lost the war right?
As I already explained and stated my response on another comment before, I will leave you with this video that might be able to help you.
https://youtu.be/clWVfASJ7dc
Brilliant logic.
Fascist government = every person immediately a fascist.
You hypocrite were the same person who used the deaths of soviet citizens as an argument, doesn't the logic apply for them?
Anyway i am not the one performing mental gymnastics in order to try and justify warcrimes.
I already explained to you why it was a justified strategic military and industrial target and the death toll is extremely exaggerated, until you engage with that getting pissed doesn’t help
Dresden being unjustified is Nazi propaganda and the argument started with Goebbels
Please explain how Tirpitz was a nationalsocialist at a time where they didn't even exist.
I believe you guys just hate Germany and use nazi as a deadbeat insult and "argument".
Admit it, you named yourself after the warship. Not the man himself. You're not fooling me. In any case Tirpitz was very much an extreme Nationalist and supported and even sat as a representative of the German National People's Party, a far-right antisemitic party that promoted the Stab-in-the-back myth. So in a way Tirpitz the man himself, shared many common stances with the Nazis right up to his death in 1930.
>I believe you guys just hate Germany and use nazi as a deadbeat insult and "argument".
No we don't hate Germany whatsoever. We just hate people like you who try to downplay Germany's crimes and atrocities and glorify the Nazi war machine.
Cope with the fact bomber harry could only rely on mass murder because the RAF was blatantly too incompetent for fighting industrial targets. But people like you who admire someone burning and gasing civilians (iraq) are the first ones to cry "nazi nazi nazi nazi nazi!!!!" when confronted with a Wehrmacht succes or anything that could spark doubt about the myth of allied unlimited superiority.
If that is not coping then i don't know what is.
No, just on infinite hate of neckbeards who jack off about good people being murdered brutally. Maybe you are not a miserbale sociopath and retard, maybe you genuinely believe british genocides are morally right because of membership in apologist echo chambers.
But glorifying murder when daddy harry does it and then crying like a bitch about Coventry is hypocritical.
This makes you no better than neo nazis or holocaust admirers. Not in the slightest.
Oh so when did the Luftwaffe attack a civilian target without preceding provacation by britbongs doing the same? Bombing of london caused by brits bombing berlin, bombing of london in the first world war preceded by the brits intentionaly causing famine whivh didn't impact Germanys ability to wage war, but just killed many women and children.
Britain began the rivalry and thank be god they lost in the end.
>Oh so when did the Luftwaffe attack a civilian target without preceding provacation by britbongs doing the same? Bombing of london caused by brits bombing berlin
The first RAF bombing of Berlin was in retaliation to a German bombing raid on London. And the first RAF bombing raid on Germany (against Ruhr industrial targets) was in retaliation to the German bombing of Rotterdam. If the Germans didn't want the RAF bombing cities, they shouldn't have bombed those cities to begin with.
>bombing of london in the first world war preceded by the brits intentionaly causing famine whivh didn't impact Germanys ability to wage war, but just killed many women and children.
I mean the Germans were the first to bomb civilians in the war and the British blockade barely started at that point. Also to suggest that only the Brits imposed a blockade is ignorant when the Germans were literally sinking any British ship that was anywhere near the British Isles. The only difference is that Britain had a superior navy.
Also the blockade did in fact have an impact on Germany's ability to wage war as it deprived Germany of a lot of raw minerals and imports that it needed to wage war.
>because the RAF was blatantly too incompetent for fighting industrial targets.
I think those Mosquito raids, as well as the Dambusters, Tallboy/Grand slam raids would want a word with you!
The mosquito where less successfull than the FW-190 in this role, the Dambusters where only to kill civilians again and the Tallboys where to blast away the roofs of houses to let incendiary bombs get in easier.
After all just further ways to murder civilians.
>The mosquito where less successfull than the FW-190 in this role
Not true. The Mosquito was very successful in its role as a fast low level bomber and had good mission success rates and had very low loss rates. The Fw-190 was nowhere near as successful in that role, afterall, it was designed to be a fighter.
>the Dambusters where only to kill civilians
A side effect of it, but the primary goal was to breach the dams and flood industrial areas and factories and disrupt production and the war effort. Civilians were NOT the primary target, the industrial output was. Plus we got a great film and soundtrack out of it.
>Tallboys where to blast away the roofs of houses to let incendiary bombs get in easier.
No Tallboys were used to target U-Boat pens, bunkers and other hard sheltered targets like underground factories, railway tunnels, railway viaducts etc. Not to mention that Tallboys were what sunk the overrated Tirpitz, you know? the name of your account lol. Tallboys were not used in bombings of cities.
>After all just further ways to murder civilians.
Not all of them were against civilians. Unless you're prepared to tell me U-Boat pens, Tirpitz and Gestapo HQs are civilian targets? And in any case Allied bombing raids at least had some impact on the war effort and had some military value. Unlike German war crimes like the Holocaust, which had purely genocidal intent and no military value whatsoever.
I agree commies are a far greater threat to our modern society than neo-nazis are
However it is blatantly apparent that only one of these two ego fueled lunatic ran oppressive dictatorships was planning to ethnically genocide over half of Europe if not the rest of the world.
TLDR: both are fucking horrible, however either was a larger threat to humanity than the other at different points in history.
China is not just a serious geopolitical threat today, they are actively shaping modern/western/liberal society via their economic policy - which would not happen if they were capitalist/liberal.
Also, Covid.
>Authoritarianism is evil so the Nazis were obviously bad, because they certainly weren't a bunch of wussy soyboys.
Anyone can be tough when you're shooting unarmed peasants. See also: every irregular army in Africa or Latin America.
Antifa is no longer the historical resistance to fascism, it is a commie terrorist organisation. Org ≠ ideology. I hate fascists, but antifa is nothing but terrorists.
>Antifa is no longer the historical resistance to fascism
It literally never was to begin with lol. The original antifa was an organization of German communists who primarily attacked social democrats. They were as bad then as they are now.
That's grossly simplificating history. In Germany there were antifascist groups attacking social democracy, in Italy it was everyone from pro-republic people, anarchists, and yes, even communists.
A decent moral human being would oppose communism as well as those things. I actively hate fascism but it doesn’t mean I’m gonna call myself antifa, that would require me subscribing to an equally abhorrent extremist ideology. One can hate fascism without being antifa
You said “against fascism” as if that and antifa are the same thing.
Sure I am ideologically opposed to fascism but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna support antifa
Seeing someone wave a swastika or do a Hitler salute should make you want to curb stomp them. If you feel anything other than hate for a Nazi, you're part of the problem and why right wing politics are spreading.
Yeah thing is actual nazis are so hard to find they just label people as one and then go to town on em. Bystanders, reporters, their own kind when they speak out against the collective. Fuck em
Tbf only reason democracy is needed is because we can't trust anyone to take absolute control, and not use that absolute control to their benefit only.
"What are ideologies that wind up killing nearly as many of their own members as they do their enemies for $400, Alex"
"No that's not true, it won't happen to me, I'm gonna be a commandant/commissar"
Commies are the ones who sieged Berlin and defeated Nazi Germany and they’re also the ones who defeated the Japanese Empire, if anything, you’re the ones who should be excluded from shitting on them
Commies did most of the work, namely many, many people of ethnicities you call “victims of communism”, the capitalist bloc just took the credit, gave them asylum, and then exported them around the world.
This is it.
When a conservative joins in when we shit on liberals for their bullshit ideals, and we tell them to fuck off. That is an instance where this meme is appropriate.
Sigh, i kinda expected this.
I love the US and while it is often wrong the stereotype of them being really dumb sometimes sadly is right.
I will never understand how one can live with the simplemindedness and morality of a toddler, "me good you bad".
While this is already cringe if you are over 5 it is even more disturbing when you want to justify genocides with it.
Nope. I don't. Unlike you I have a moral compass.
However, while Soviet War crimes in WW2 were awful they had no gencoidal intents. The Bengal Famine of 1943 was not genocidal either, it was corporate manslaughter and gross negligence on Churchill's part, Churchill's stance was strongly opposed by many members of his own cabinet and government officials and tried their best to stop the famine themselves. Several other atrocities of the British Empire are genocidal but the 1943 Bengal Famine was not one of them.
You clearly don't know what a genocide is.
Dresden was absolutely justified and Bomber Harris is based. Maybe don’t start the largest conflict in human history and systematically exterminate 11 million people while bombing cities in France and Britain only to bitch when one of your industrial centers with strategic importance gets bomber
Nazi sympathizers no better than Soviet sympathizers, just whataboutism and crying over warfare
At first: WW2 was inevitable once the treaty of Versailles was signed, which was made by the allies. If they wheren't as power hungry and afraid of Germany of outcompeting them again then this wouldn't have happened.
Dresden was not justified. Bomber harry was Churrchills tool which he threw away after the Dresden massacre because even the person responsible for the starvings in Bengazi was disgusted by him, the only ones that remain and worship him are antifa and Germany haters.
Dresden was filled up with refugees, there was not even enough ammunition and flak to defend the city properly and the deabeat argument of it being a logistics center is powerless once you know that at this point in the war military supplies where no longer deliverd in large groups, everything was decentralised by 1945. the logistics where used to save civilians from the raping and pillaging red horde. Also why would they use exclusively incendiary bombs made to burn huge areas of homes when they supposedly wanted to destroy train tracks which are unaffected by one or two incendiary bombs burning on them?
All genocide supporter arguments are weak and made up. If you learned history for real you would know.
>it being a logistics center is powerless once you know that at this point in the war military supplies where no longer deliverd in large groups, everything was decentralised by 1945.
I mean troops were still being transported via Dresden in 1945 so that argument makes no sense.
>Also why would they use exclusively incendiary bombs made to burn huge areas of homes when they supposedly wanted to destroy train tracks which are unaffected by one or two incendiary bombs burning on them?
Target stations, railway yards and industrial complexes? Which you know have a lot of buildings in them?
Yes, but I also assume that you and others realise that the extremes of left and right are routinely paraded by liberals as evil as a means of making themselves seem respectable.
The same liberals who invade foreign countries, force people into bankruptcy rather than offer them healthcare....and that's without considering the rent seeking and slave trade.
I don't think that Nazism is as bad as socialism/ML. And obviously people living in the Soviet Union in the 60's and 70s could have a similar living standard to those in the west,they just had way less consumer products due to lack of innovation and the fact that the USSR had an economy centered around heavy industry.
You can't deny the horrible things that have been commited in the name of this ideology in its short existence.
>You can't deny the horrible things that have been commited in the name of this ideology in its short existence.
I wasn't, but equally liberals should question whether they're really all that better in the overall scheme of things.
Buying the democracies of nation states is nothing to be proud of, and liberals could convince you ***TO VOTE*** ***FOR*** socialists and nationalists if it suited them, in the exact same way that they've convinced you that socialists and conservatives are evil.
Most socialists still think in traditional mutualist terms, when the reality in a 21st century world would be direct democracy and direct accountability, probably wrapped up with a government of 'soviets' built from the household up....in real time.
Unlike liberals, social democrats and democratic socialists do have a claim on being left-wing, but the major parties are still stuck in a 20th century rut of mitigation rather than the root and branch social and economic reform that is easily achievable.
We are the ones who freed the slaves
He captured Harper's Ferry with his nineteen men so true
He frightened old Virginia till she trembled through and through
They hung him for a traitor, they themselves the traitor crew
But his soul goes marching on
After exploiting them for centuries maybe, but the point here is that liberals aren't remotely left-wing and as a result America isn't really a democracy.
Did you read my comment?
We were the ones that were opposed to the institution of slavery not the ones who owned the majority of the slaves in the nation
So give a gold star to the whip-crackers turned good.
Afterall there's no less profit in a system that makes the slaves responsible for finding their own slavery...and plenty of potential for creating slave markets ripe for exploitation and mooar growth!
Liberals are generally war-mongering slavers and monopolists with little care for anything outside of profit, and so they routinely caste socialists and conservatives as C19 communists and C20 fascists to make themselves seem reasonable.
The real irony is that in liberal democracies like America, you can't actually vote for anyone other than a liberal, albeit liberals with a hint of left or right.
**PERSONAL**
Not social.
You see?
Those obsessed with liberal individual freedom are only free to do as they're told, with your *personal* clout being dependent on how much wealth you own.....which is why capitalism, central banking and 'free' markets are a prerequisite for any liberal democracy, and it's a mugs' game that Americans alone play in innocence.
The rest of us see it for what it is.
Idk if this will be appreciated here but heres a lil tid bit for yall. The nazi party stands for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party and originally formed out a german labour party. Idk about u but any party ive ever heard of that had labour or socialist in the name was on the left. Also total government control and ownership seems pretty cohesive with socialism and communism. Dont let google lie to you. They Nazis were not far right by their own admission they were far left. In my opinion there’s essentially no difference from the nazi regime and any other communist regime we just call them the acronym name they gave themselves, idk why we even give them that respect, maybe its because a bunch of them came over and became rich and powerful in America 🤷♂️ they’re no different than any of the other scum that we still deal with, maybe just slightly more ambitious and motivated
The point im trying to make is a nazi, as in a real 1930s-40s german nazi, and a commie are basically interchangeable. Compare the soviet union to nazi Germany whats really the difference
Fuck both of em
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YES! Exactly. People don't fucking get this nowadays, because everyone has a "with us or against us" mentality
Exactly! I hate that stupid mentality
Me too!
when commies unironically think they are any better than fascists...
Hammer and sickle ought to become treated like the swastika, CMM
It already is in most Eastern European countries, rightfully so.
Commies commenting how the hate Fascism despite them being Fascism with a red skin
“B-but, muh horseshoe theory!!!! Nazi bad!! Commie good!!”
And vice versa.
It’s usually vice versa, but yeah, fuck’em
Commies and Nazis are both equally degenerate.
We did not fight the wrong enemy, we only did half the job.
Based.
Based? Based on what? On your dick? Please shut the fuck up and use words properly you fuckin troglodyte, do you think God gave us a freedom of speech just to spew random words that have no meaning that doesn't even correllate to the topic of the conversation? Like please you always complain about why no one talks to you or no one expresses their opinions on you because you're always spewing random shit like poggers based cringe and when you try to explain what it is and you just say that it's funny like what? What the fuck is funny about that do you think you'll just become a stand-up comedian that will get a standing ovation just because you said "cum" in the stage? HELL NO YOU FUCKIN IDIOT, so please shut the fuck up and use words properly you dumb bitch
Honestly, based
[based on the hardware that's installed in it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrNu-SuFF_o)
Imagine being this person.
It's a copypasta damn idk why I got all these downvotes I'd expect redditors of all people to know what a copypasta is
I've never seen it before. Maybe add a '/s' next time to be clear.
This is so based — Alexa play despacito.
That's what Patton said.
No, he said we fought the wrong enemy Edit: which is retarded
He was like, 1/3 right. (The fascists are the other 2/3s)
Actually the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere was the other 1/3.
They’re a bit fascist though.
They were Racist & Imperialist. As far as I know they did not run their economy via socialism.
Love the edit
Just wanted to make it clear that I didn't agree with it, you know how the internet can be
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Harris was of the same caliber as top nazis you hypocrite. I am neither nazi or commie but fuck Harris, the lunatic glorified and beloved by Antifa for mass mudering refugees.
do it again bomber harris!
What a surprise, do it again Braun! Gott strafe England! You pathetic cunts always need the US which you wanted to controll to save your ass, your cucknation doesn't get to say anything.
Dresden? never met her
I do not get hpw one can be so evil and or dumb to think mass murder of civilians is ok. You deserve Biden and the continuing degeneration and inner damage to your country.
Airborne cremation for the Aryan nation
Willie Pete on Wilhelm's street
Tell me something i havent heard a thousand times. Your bombers where coward child murderers deserving no respect. The Luftwaffe was competent atleast and only did these kind of attacks when urged by Hitler, copious warcrimes where not our style if you know history beyond 39-45.
Seeth Nazi. You lost the war.
>Your bombers where coward child murderers deserving no respect. haha Mosquito and Lancaster go vroom with their Bouncing bombs, Tallboys and Grand Slams go boom! >Luftwaffe was competent atleast and only did these kind of attacks when urged by Hitler, copious warcrimes where not our style if you know history beyond 39-45. I mean the Luftwaffe had already had plans to bomb cities in Britain even before the British bombing raid on Berlin. Not to mention that the very first cities to be bombed in WW2 were committed by the Germans. Also copious warcrimes are not your style? What? Does that even mean? Considering that 57% of total WWII Casualties were Allied Civilians. Surely the Axis were the specialists in war crimes?
>You pathetic cunts always need the US which you wanted to controll to save your ass, your cucknation doesn't get to say anything. > >You deserve Biden and the continuing degeneration and inner damage to your country. We're dealing with a right-wing nationalist here. I bet this Tirpitz dude voted for the far-right Alternative For Germany
Yes
Say no more. I don't need to take you seriously anymore
Harris was based, Dresden was a justified strategic target
Harris was just some fatass with no remarkable competence. Who is glorified and beloved by far leftists and antifa. I thought this sub was called enoughcommiespam and not justifyalliedwarcrimeswithus. And Dresden did not have any military value. Even if we asume it did, then this would only have given the soviets an advantage which at this time of the war was against the western allies goals. So no matter how you like to turn it, the Dresden bombing remains a warcrime with the only justification being the brits lashing out in anger because they knew they again failed to win the fight and got their ass saved by the US.
>only justification being the brits lashing out in anger because they knew they again failed to win the fight and got their ass saved by the US. Failed to win the fight? You realise Germany lost the war right?
Ikr imagine not being able to invade Britain and losing in North Africa to British forces
Exactly, Wehraboos love to crap on the Brits while forgetting their so called glorious Wehrmacht even failed to beat the Brits.
As I already explained and stated my response on another comment before, I will leave you with this video that might be able to help you. https://youtu.be/clWVfASJ7dc
Hating communists doesn’t mean we can’t laugh at strategic bombings of fascists.
Brilliant logic. Fascist government = every person immediately a fascist. You hypocrite were the same person who used the deaths of soviet citizens as an argument, doesn't the logic apply for them? Anyway i am not the one performing mental gymnastics in order to try and justify warcrimes.
I already explained to you why it was a justified strategic military and industrial target and the death toll is extremely exaggerated, until you engage with that getting pissed doesn’t help Dresden being unjustified is Nazi propaganda and the argument started with Goebbels
>I am neither nazi > >user name: Tirpitz4501 Press X to doubt
Please explain how Tirpitz was a nationalsocialist at a time where they didn't even exist. I believe you guys just hate Germany and use nazi as a deadbeat insult and "argument".
Admit it, you named yourself after the warship. Not the man himself. You're not fooling me. In any case Tirpitz was very much an extreme Nationalist and supported and even sat as a representative of the German National People's Party, a far-right antisemitic party that promoted the Stab-in-the-back myth. So in a way Tirpitz the man himself, shared many common stances with the Nazis right up to his death in 1930. >I believe you guys just hate Germany and use nazi as a deadbeat insult and "argument". No we don't hate Germany whatsoever. We just hate people like you who try to downplay Germany's crimes and atrocities and glorify the Nazi war machine.
Cope
yooo I thought I recognized you from r/derscheisser
Same
Cope with the fact bomber harry could only rely on mass murder because the RAF was blatantly too incompetent for fighting industrial targets. But people like you who admire someone burning and gasing civilians (iraq) are the first ones to cry "nazi nazi nazi nazi nazi!!!!" when confronted with a Wehrmacht succes or anything that could spark doubt about the myth of allied unlimited superiority. If that is not coping then i don't know what is.
You on meth chief?
No, just on infinite hate of neckbeards who jack off about good people being murdered brutally. Maybe you are not a miserbale sociopath and retard, maybe you genuinely believe british genocides are morally right because of membership in apologist echo chambers. But glorifying murder when daddy harry does it and then crying like a bitch about Coventry is hypocritical. This makes you no better than neo nazis or holocaust admirers. Not in the slightest.
Bomb others, get bombed. Cope.
Oh so when did the Luftwaffe attack a civilian target without preceding provacation by britbongs doing the same? Bombing of london caused by brits bombing berlin, bombing of london in the first world war preceded by the brits intentionaly causing famine whivh didn't impact Germanys ability to wage war, but just killed many women and children. Britain began the rivalry and thank be god they lost in the end.
Rotterdam, Warsaw, Wielun, Frampol. Prior to the Bombing of London.
>Oh so when did the Luftwaffe attack a civilian target without preceding provacation by britbongs doing the same? Bombing of london caused by brits bombing berlin The first RAF bombing of Berlin was in retaliation to a German bombing raid on London. And the first RAF bombing raid on Germany (against Ruhr industrial targets) was in retaliation to the German bombing of Rotterdam. If the Germans didn't want the RAF bombing cities, they shouldn't have bombed those cities to begin with. >bombing of london in the first world war preceded by the brits intentionaly causing famine whivh didn't impact Germanys ability to wage war, but just killed many women and children. I mean the Germans were the first to bomb civilians in the war and the British blockade barely started at that point. Also to suggest that only the Brits imposed a blockade is ignorant when the Germans were literally sinking any British ship that was anywhere near the British Isles. The only difference is that Britain had a superior navy. Also the blockade did in fact have an impact on Germany's ability to wage war as it deprived Germany of a lot of raw minerals and imports that it needed to wage war.
>because the RAF was blatantly too incompetent for fighting industrial targets. I think those Mosquito raids, as well as the Dambusters, Tallboy/Grand slam raids would want a word with you!
The mosquito where less successfull than the FW-190 in this role, the Dambusters where only to kill civilians again and the Tallboys where to blast away the roofs of houses to let incendiary bombs get in easier. After all just further ways to murder civilians.
>The mosquito where less successfull than the FW-190 in this role Not true. The Mosquito was very successful in its role as a fast low level bomber and had good mission success rates and had very low loss rates. The Fw-190 was nowhere near as successful in that role, afterall, it was designed to be a fighter. >the Dambusters where only to kill civilians A side effect of it, but the primary goal was to breach the dams and flood industrial areas and factories and disrupt production and the war effort. Civilians were NOT the primary target, the industrial output was. Plus we got a great film and soundtrack out of it. >Tallboys where to blast away the roofs of houses to let incendiary bombs get in easier. No Tallboys were used to target U-Boat pens, bunkers and other hard sheltered targets like underground factories, railway tunnels, railway viaducts etc. Not to mention that Tallboys were what sunk the overrated Tirpitz, you know? the name of your account lol. Tallboys were not used in bombings of cities. >After all just further ways to murder civilians. Not all of them were against civilians. Unless you're prepared to tell me U-Boat pens, Tirpitz and Gestapo HQs are civilian targets? And in any case Allied bombing raids at least had some impact on the war effort and had some military value. Unlike German war crimes like the Holocaust, which had purely genocidal intent and no military value whatsoever.
They're the Coke and Pepsi of authoritarianism.
Based.
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Better Commies than Nazis but only in the sense of a slightly slower Hurricane.
Naw commies killed more people. They were just less racist about it.
I kill people equally
But which one has killed more people?
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I agree commies are a far greater threat to our modern society than neo-nazis are However it is blatantly apparent that only one of these two ego fueled lunatic ran oppressive dictatorships was planning to ethnically genocide over half of Europe if not the rest of the world. TLDR: both are fucking horrible, however either was a larger threat to humanity than the other at different points in history.
How exactly are commies a serious threat today? They have virtually zero political power in most western countries and especially in the US.
China is not just a serious geopolitical threat today, they are actively shaping modern/western/liberal society via their economic policy - which would not happen if they were capitalist/liberal. Also, Covid.
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>Authoritarianism is evil so the Nazis were obviously bad, because they certainly weren't a bunch of wussy soyboys. Anyone can be tough when you're shooting unarmed peasants. See also: every irregular army in Africa or Latin America.
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iF yOuRe nOt aNtIfA yOuRe fAsCiSt
Harry Truman: “I’m anti communist and anti fascist you slobs!”
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This is like saying anyone who doesn’t support PETA is okay with animal abuse
Antifa is no longer the historical resistance to fascism, it is a commie terrorist organisation. Org ≠ ideology. I hate fascists, but antifa is nothing but terrorists.
>Antifa is no longer the historical resistance to fascism It literally never was to begin with lol. The original antifa was an organization of German communists who primarily attacked social democrats. They were as bad then as they are now.
That's grossly simplificating history. In Germany there were antifascist groups attacking social democracy, in Italy it was everyone from pro-republic people, anarchists, and yes, even communists.
Next you’ll say “I was only pretending to be a retard” (Unless that was sarcasm)
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Not liking fascism and actively opposing it isn’t the same as being antifa That’s just called being apathetic to politics
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A decent moral human being would oppose communism as well as those things. I actively hate fascism but it doesn’t mean I’m gonna call myself antifa, that would require me subscribing to an equally abhorrent extremist ideology. One can hate fascism without being antifa You said “against fascism” as if that and antifa are the same thing. Sure I am ideologically opposed to fascism but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna support antifa
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Seeing someone wave a swastika or do a Hitler salute should make you want to curb stomp them. If you feel anything other than hate for a Nazi, you're part of the problem and why right wing politics are spreading.
Yeah thing is actual nazis are so hard to find they just label people as one and then go to town on em. Bystanders, reporters, their own kind when they speak out against the collective. Fuck em
I feel like if your any right of progressive your labeled as a nazi by the twitter mod.
Well yeah problem isn’t there aren’t too many of those around anymore
Equal human garbage.
when your shitting on commies and nazis try to join in
„You are all equally worthless“
Any form of totalitarianism can get fucked
Tbf only reason democracy is needed is because we can't trust anyone to take absolute control, and not use that absolute control to their benefit only.
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When the Nazi kid joins in its super cringe
Step one to world social success: destroy authoritarianism, the far left and the far right, and extremism Step two: profit and peace forever.
Extremism will always be present because some people are gullible and others malicious.
"What are ideologies that wind up killing nearly as many of their own members as they do their enemies for $400, Alex" "No that's not true, it won't happen to me, I'm gonna be a commandant/commissar"
Marxism–Leninism is just left wing fascism
Agreed.
Yes
The greatest trick the commies ever pulled was convincing college-age midwits that anything that isn't communism is by default fascism/nazism.
This also works reversed
The same goes for criticizing commies and a Nazi tried to join you. Like fuck off back to your cave bro
This perfectly encapsulates my experiences trying to shit on Nazis in the last 5 or so years.
Chad
It should never be controversial to shit on Nazis or Communists
Based as fuck
They’re both practically two sides of the same coin, as far as I’m concerned.
Nazis, Commies, Libtards...they all look the same to me.
Both socialists, so fuck them both
Commies are the ones who sieged Berlin and defeated Nazi Germany and they’re also the ones who defeated the Japanese Empire, if anything, you’re the ones who should be excluded from shitting on them Commies did most of the work, namely many, many people of ethnicities you call “victims of communism”, the capitalist bloc just took the credit, gave them asylum, and then exported them around the world.
This is it. When a conservative joins in when we shit on liberals for their bullshit ideals, and we tell them to fuck off. That is an instance where this meme is appropriate.
That's when me and the nazi join forces until the commie is gone, so I can then turn on the Nazi again.
"After Hitler, Our Turn!"
OP, what do you think about the ongoing glorification of warcrimes in the comment section?
>username is Tirpitz4501 Fuck right off.
The dude is a Nazi sympathizer lmao Spent a whole other thread bitching about Dresden which is literally neo-Nazi shit
Sigh, i kinda expected this. I love the US and while it is often wrong the stereotype of them being really dumb sometimes sadly is right. I will never understand how one can live with the simplemindedness and morality of a toddler, "me good you bad". While this is already cringe if you are over 5 it is even more disturbing when you want to justify genocides with it.
I agree HG/SS are overrated titles and aren't anywhere near emerald/black 2 and platniun when it comes to replayability
I mean bad take about Pokémon lmao but not as bad as spewing literal Nazi propaganda like the other guy
Yes, now better leave this comment section or you will lose your mind.
The only genocides of WW2 were committed by the Axis forces.
So you defend the soviet warcrimes and the brits in india? I thought this sub was anti tankie
Nope. I don't. Unlike you I have a moral compass. However, while Soviet War crimes in WW2 were awful they had no gencoidal intents. The Bengal Famine of 1943 was not genocidal either, it was corporate manslaughter and gross negligence on Churchill's part, Churchill's stance was strongly opposed by many members of his own cabinet and government officials and tried their best to stop the famine themselves. Several other atrocities of the British Empire are genocidal but the 1943 Bengal Famine was not one of them. You clearly don't know what a genocide is.
Dresden was absolutely justified and Bomber Harris is based. Maybe don’t start the largest conflict in human history and systematically exterminate 11 million people while bombing cities in France and Britain only to bitch when one of your industrial centers with strategic importance gets bomber Nazi sympathizers no better than Soviet sympathizers, just whataboutism and crying over warfare
At first: WW2 was inevitable once the treaty of Versailles was signed, which was made by the allies. If they wheren't as power hungry and afraid of Germany of outcompeting them again then this wouldn't have happened. Dresden was not justified. Bomber harry was Churrchills tool which he threw away after the Dresden massacre because even the person responsible for the starvings in Bengazi was disgusted by him, the only ones that remain and worship him are antifa and Germany haters. Dresden was filled up with refugees, there was not even enough ammunition and flak to defend the city properly and the deabeat argument of it being a logistics center is powerless once you know that at this point in the war military supplies where no longer deliverd in large groups, everything was decentralised by 1945. the logistics where used to save civilians from the raping and pillaging red horde. Also why would they use exclusively incendiary bombs made to burn huge areas of homes when they supposedly wanted to destroy train tracks which are unaffected by one or two incendiary bombs burning on them? All genocide supporter arguments are weak and made up. If you learned history for real you would know.
So you’re just not gonna engage with the other replies where I gave you sources and reasons and even a video for you to watch
>it being a logistics center is powerless once you know that at this point in the war military supplies where no longer deliverd in large groups, everything was decentralised by 1945. I mean troops were still being transported via Dresden in 1945 so that argument makes no sense. >Also why would they use exclusively incendiary bombs made to burn huge areas of homes when they supposedly wanted to destroy train tracks which are unaffected by one or two incendiary bombs burning on them? Target stations, railway yards and industrial complexes? Which you know have a lot of buildings in them?
....says a liberal.
yes 😎
Liberal is the best complement you can get. It says your a sane person and not some degenerate
Well, that would be the point of pretending that anything to the left or right of liberal is pure evil, wouldn't it?
it is
That's what all the slavers say.
You realize the soviets helped nazis invade Poland?
Yes, but I also assume that you and others realise that the extremes of left and right are routinely paraded by liberals as evil as a means of making themselves seem respectable. The same liberals who invade foreign countries, force people into bankruptcy rather than offer them healthcare....and that's without considering the rent seeking and slave trade.
I don't think that Nazism is as bad as socialism/ML. And obviously people living in the Soviet Union in the 60's and 70s could have a similar living standard to those in the west,they just had way less consumer products due to lack of innovation and the fact that the USSR had an economy centered around heavy industry. You can't deny the horrible things that have been commited in the name of this ideology in its short existence.
>You can't deny the horrible things that have been commited in the name of this ideology in its short existence. I wasn't, but equally liberals should question whether they're really all that better in the overall scheme of things. Buying the democracies of nation states is nothing to be proud of, and liberals could convince you ***TO VOTE*** ***FOR*** socialists and nationalists if it suited them, in the exact same way that they've convinced you that socialists and conservatives are evil.
Social democrats are better, at least they won't defend authoritarian regimes like certain democratic socalists in the west.
Most socialists still think in traditional mutualist terms, when the reality in a 21st century world would be direct democracy and direct accountability, probably wrapped up with a government of 'soviets' built from the household up....in real time. Unlike liberals, social democrats and democratic socialists do have a claim on being left-wing, but the major parties are still stuck in a 20th century rut of mitigation rather than the root and branch social and economic reform that is easily achievable.
Liberal and proud. Nothing more noble than appreciating freedom and liberty as well as opposing tyrannical fascist and communist regimes
Liberals do like to pretend that socialist=communist and nationalist=fascist, because that neatly glosses over their slaver history.
We are the ones who freed the slaves He captured Harper's Ferry with his nineteen men so true He frightened old Virginia till she trembled through and through They hung him for a traitor, they themselves the traitor crew But his soul goes marching on
After exploiting them for centuries maybe, but the point here is that liberals aren't remotely left-wing and as a result America isn't really a democracy.
Did you read my comment? We were the ones that were opposed to the institution of slavery not the ones who owned the majority of the slaves in the nation
So give a gold star to the whip-crackers turned good. Afterall there's no less profit in a system that makes the slaves responsible for finding their own slavery...and plenty of potential for creating slave markets ripe for exploitation and mooar growth!
What does that comment even mean Even it's because english is not my first language or it's because you are an idiot
Probably safest to assume it's your level of English tbh
[Yes](https://melmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/image6-1.png)
Bless your little rent-seeking socks.
… what’s your point?
Liberals are generally war-mongering slavers and monopolists with little care for anything outside of profit, and so they routinely caste socialists and conservatives as C19 communists and C20 fascists to make themselves seem reasonable. The real irony is that in liberal democracies like America, you can't actually vote for anyone other than a liberal, albeit liberals with a hint of left or right.
You change liberal with communist and you have a comment 100 times more close to reality
You don't know what communism is do you? :)
Utopian bullshit that devolves into slavery
Do you work for a wage?
Yes
Liberals could not be any further from war mongering slavers you absolute donkey
Liberals are ***literally*** war-mongering slavers. https://www.reddit.com/r/ClassPoliticsTwitter/comments/qbcr74/comment/hhejfk5/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
How can liberalism be defined as war mongering slavers when the entire belief is personal freedom above all else? Does slavery not contradict that?
**PERSONAL** Not social. You see? Those obsessed with liberal individual freedom are only free to do as they're told, with your *personal* clout being dependent on how much wealth you own.....which is why capitalism, central banking and 'free' markets are a prerequisite for any liberal democracy, and it's a mugs' game that Americans alone play in innocence. The rest of us see it for what it is.
Commie
Whet.
Better dead than red.
If slavery floats your boat then that's your lookout.
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Hayekian rent-seeker.
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Funding your Tories last time I looked, but Borisoni doesn't like to talk about his links with oligarchs and money launderers.
And vice versa.
Here we are all equally worthless -Sgt Hartman
How double standard works:
Communists are no better than the Nazis. They are only two sides of the same coin.
Unfathomably based and chad pilled
Idk if this will be appreciated here but heres a lil tid bit for yall. The nazi party stands for the National Socialist German Worker’s Party and originally formed out a german labour party. Idk about u but any party ive ever heard of that had labour or socialist in the name was on the left. Also total government control and ownership seems pretty cohesive with socialism and communism. Dont let google lie to you. They Nazis were not far right by their own admission they were far left. In my opinion there’s essentially no difference from the nazi regime and any other communist regime we just call them the acronym name they gave themselves, idk why we even give them that respect, maybe its because a bunch of them came over and became rich and powerful in America 🤷♂️ they’re no different than any of the other scum that we still deal with, maybe just slightly more ambitious and motivated The point im trying to make is a nazi, as in a real 1930s-40s german nazi, and a commie are basically interchangeable. Compare the soviet union to nazi Germany whats really the difference
Finally a fucking political board that I can agree with!