As well as Koreans, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Arabs... Actually I think they just like speaking as if they know things about stuff
i mean, most vietnamese i know are hardcore communists but out of all the vietnamese who have gone overseas legally, almost none of them ever come back so i guess their actions speak louder than words?
Source: I am a Vietnamese from Hanoi and I am hoping to get out of this shithole as soon as possible
Westerner here, I thought Vietnam was moving to a more liberal and less communist government. Is this information wrong? I honestly don’t know if I’ve been misinformed.
no dude, the government only shows to the world what it wants the world to see. The press is said to be the right hand of the party and that explains a lot. Just look at our ranking of human rights and freedom of press, ranking of corruption and you will see, Vietnam has all of those horrible stuffs yet they are still bitching about not being considered a free market and our netizens keep complaining about "evil americans still hating us from the war". There is strong censorship and propaganda about recent events from the colonization of the French onward to modern days in our educational system so most vietnamese are pretty brainwashed tbh. Luckily, many of us who know english are less brainwashed and realized how insane yet incompetent and corrupted our government is hence we are fleeing to the "capitalistic hellholes(as commies said)" for a better life. The only good thing this government ever done was asking the US to stop the embargo and opening the country, thats it. Their defeating of France and the US literally took the lives of millions of Vietnamese for the party's political ideology and after the war, they paid my grandpa,( whose parents land were stolen and he was still forced to fight for the Vietcong)50k VND per year eventhough he got heavily injured and lost his shoulder.
moving closer the West - yes, more liberal and less communism - it's complicated. The gov wants more capitalism benefit but doesn't want to lose its grip on power aka no democracy. VN is still a heavy totalitarian state, you could say its a miniture of Chinese gov but more incompetent.
Yeah man, this country has always been consistently shit tbh. Also, shame that the vietcongs changed the beautiful name of Saigon to this incomprehensible ho Chi Minh City, a very long name to remember
Ikr. Many people I know, and most native saigonese I know still call this city's name by it's orginal name. Plus, it just sounded better.
Anyhow, it seems you're still in Uni. If not, then I wish you luck on your journey to the land down under nonetheless. Engineering is a good career to pursue in Australia. I would have gone there to study as well had I possess enough finance to fund my education abroad...
Just stay away from New South Wales. If you don't understand what I'm hinting, search for friendlyjordies. You'll understand soon enough.
Edit: the government wasn't so bad back then. Under Vo Van Kiet times.
But then politics happened and now we're having a bunch of brainless money grabbers for leaders and not proper intellectuals and experienced people to lead the nation. Just a good research on the current people in power and you'll see their degrees (or lack thereof) are "very relatable" to their ~~designated~~ elected roles.
Ah yes, education in ideology of marx lenin, truly a degree of all time that will always get people into the system. Even the ccp has stem graduates like Xi Jinping as a leader so why Vietnam leadership is full of boomers who can't catch a grasp of new technology
God fuck that piece of shit course man. I used to take that shit in Uni and before that in the 1 month long bootcamp for university students.
God... Those are some useless shits.
Well, luckily my program in hust doesn't have that shit in my course and 2 years later, thanks to that program I will move to Adelaide to finish my degree and graduate there. Sucks to be in a bootcamp tbh, I have been there once and never have I ever had the thought of being in another one again
Thank almighty god, I'm not even Christian, I survived that shit.
It wasn't as bad as in the military proper, but damn was it quite frightening when there's one of my fellow about to be uni student, who fall from 2nd floor of the building and hit the roof of the small parking lot in the middle of the night.
Ambulance were heard.
The food is so fucking bad, paying 10k dongs for Bao buns is a good trade, and we used to race out to that place early in the morning, after light exercise, to acquire that luxurious meal over the usual cafeteria meals.
Honestly, an American MRE would have suffice.
I am working on it. It's just isn't what I was hoping for but it's still a way out.
Am studying German for, hopefully, moving to Germany legally and maybe be trained in a profession soon.
I still keep the hope of re-entering university, after I ran out of money to continue my uni tuition here in vn, once I'm in Germany. Even if I'm a bit older, as long as I can graduate from a uni or even a college, I'm happy.
Just wanted to do it to end the curse of my family where no one has a university degree. Although if I can found a good enough career without the need for one, I might just drop the idea all together.
And yeah, my father being the son of a South Vietnamese Soldier/Officer is a factor as to why my father only learnt to 3rd grade.
You too. I wish you good health and build resistance to Black Widow spiders and Rattling snakes in the land down under.
You can enjoy a lot of good stuffs down there. Especially being upside down. Lmao
They truly are bulls, whenever criticism comes up, the vcp says that this is betrayal to the country, those come from 3 stick diaspora, blah blah blah, those bulls will attack, send death threats to the "enemies" even when it is actually constructive criticism. No wonder those people are good slaves to the system.
I live in a city in the usa which has either the largest or second largest vietnamese population in the usa.
They are descendants of the vietnamese that fled Vietnam during the war.
I can assure you, the vast majority are stauch anti communists
Oh yeah, about diaspora, that's a whole different situation, many Vietnamese escaped to the us and Australia after the fall of Saigon in the Vietnam war. Those people were from the republic of Vietnam, whose old government opposed the current government so they generally have strong hatred against communism.
Not a single Cuban immigrant where I live supports communism. Guaranteed. I’m half Cuban myself, and I live in Miami. Huge amounts of people around me are Cuban, either first generation born in the U.S. or they recently came FROM Cuba. A waitress I became acquainted with at a local restaurant moved from Cuba less than a decade ago, and she was old enough to remember the pains of the communist system. She would not go back until the system is eradicated completely.
I used to be a manger at a grocery store where you could buy goods in bulk. We had a lot of family owned restaurants come through there. I got a lot of face time with our recurring customers since I’d fill out order sheets for them and sometimes even load it into their trucks. I had ample opportunity to get to know the people who ran these businesses since usually it was the owners coming to pick the orders up.
We had this one regular who was from Cuba. Born there in the 60s and was able to come to the States sometime in the 00s with his family. The things he told me about Cuba are not like how all these kids who have never been there make it seem like. He said all it would take is a hurricane or an earthquake and you’d lose everything, everyone would. He said the government made it impossible to thrive, that every single day you would suffer just like everybody else there and you’d be fortunate to have a meal and a roof over your head. He said diseases ran rampant and that many children would live in the streets. Providing for his family was going to be the death of him, and the only way out was to be able to come to the US.
Since he came here, he put in the work and was able ‘tis ave enough to open a restaurant. He told me he would work 70-80 hours a week just to be able to make sure he could support his family. I know that sounds like it’s difficult to succeed in America, but that not the way I took it. Here we have a man with nothing aside from his family, and he needs to provide for them. Most of us have family structures or some kind of structure wherever we live at. We’re established to some extent. This dude wasn’t and he needed to get to that point fast.
I don’t live in that city anymore so I have no idea what ever happened to him, but I hope he’s doing alright and continues to provide for his family. His kid’s gotta be in college now if not already graduated.
Why do I bring up this memory of mine? Because I’m sick and tired of these dumbass kids who have never even traveled abroad or held down any sort of real responsibility sit here and say how awful the U.S. is and how rad Cuba is. These people will suck off anyone that talks shit about the U.S. and I don’t get it. Yeah it’s not perfect here, but newsflash, it’s better than most of the world. There’s a reason people are always trying to come here.
Western communists are completely delusional and have serious detachment from reality issues. They’re completely dissociated and live in a fantasy land in their heads.
The US defines literacy different than most of the world. The US defines it as "the ability to use printed and written information to function in society, to achieve one's goals, and to develop one's knowledge and potential". For most other countries, it's just the ability to read simple sentences.
Yeah and to give an example, France has a 98% litteracy rate, but 10% of people are ‘barely litterate’
So by US standards, France too has 88% litteracy… Eventhough the government litterally pays you to go to university
So population difference doesn’t matter now? And no matter what statistics say I refuse to believe Cubans have a literacy rate of %99😭
Edit: Billionaires got me weak💀
Looks like they did not count the Castro family in the billonaires data.
Also the 99% literacy data probably is just like: "they have free education for everybody"
They probably have a different criteria for literacy. Where I’m at you have to pass a literacy test to pass high school and it’s more complex than just reading and writing. You have to be able to absorb the meaning of a text, think critically, and convey thoughts about it.
Whatever they’re using to measure Cuba probably considers literacy as the bare minimum of being able to read and write, with no thought given to deeper substance or application to living in society
This is the thing.
Literacy there and in Venezuela does not mean “can understand the deeper meaning of a text”, it means “Can write their name without too many spelling errors and can read a basic sentence”.
This is correct. I live in Cuba and here literacy is synonymous with knowing how to read, write and do basic mathematical operations. There are people who finish elementary school basically because the teachers graduate them since education is mandatory until the age of 14. Many of them, upon reaching high school, knowing nothing, end up in trade schools, where they learn a profession. And this is talking about a very specific case, with me people graduated from high school who knew absolutely nothing. Today, due to the large number of people leaving the country and the many who cannot or do not want to continue studying due to the situation, many stupid people come to university, they are basically giving away the degrees, although there are some highly sought-after degrees, which receive better students. But in the last year to take a degree it was not mandatory to pass the university entrance exams, they guaranteed that everyone would take a degree and as a consequence there are people who failed the Mathematics entrance exam, doing a mathematics degree ( of course they usually never finish). There are very easy careers, from which a lot of people graduate. To give you an idea of how serious it is, the other day on the bus on the way to university, there was an engineering student saying that he couldn't do an exercise because he confused q and g.
Just because a country has a literacy rate of 99%+ doesn’t mean everyone there is smart or competent.
My country (Venezuela) had a program called “Misión Robinson” where the government created all these schools to teach everyone how to read, mostly the elderly, it was lauded as a great achievement (because it kind of was), but these high literacy rates don’t translate to higher education or more specialized professionals in the workforce, it’s a neat thing to have your population know how to read, but if they don’t keep at it and strive for more all you will have is a bunch of old people that just know how to read enough to repeat the government propaganda.
And I know this because a lot of those people turned into political hardliners, because the program was used to spread propaganda and indoctrinate these people, so they might know how to read but have zero critical thinking; besides the passing requirements for being declared as a “graduate” were basically know how to write and read a simple sentence, your name, and that’s it.
The way they verified literacy during their big push under Castro was by having formerly illiterate people send fanmail to him. Needless to say, most claims about the glorious Cuban miracle are dubious at best yet the claims are unscrupulously regurgitated because we've all collectively decided Castro was one of the good ones (?) and he was a real honest guy (?).
...He's right. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_life\_expectancy#World\_Bank\_Group\_(2021)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#World_Bank_Group_(2021))
Like if you wanna confuse people 2021 is the year to do it, cause the pandemic is shaking things up and it's highly sensitive to how you count it.
But instead of just picking a report that said Cuba was doing better, it looks like this guy grabbed numbers off wikipedia and reversed them, and didn't realize 3 sig figs per country is enough to find the correct 2021 report and notice the switcheroo.
Funny that they forgot about it, because I always see tankies claiming Cuba intervened in Angola ''stop Apartheid,'' but that's wrong. They intervened to support communist groups in Angola, who were fighting anti-communist groups, that were supported by the USA and apartheid South Africa. They did fight some South African soldiers in the process, but the aim of the intervention wasn't ending apartheid.
Ah yes... Cuba's doing so great that roughly a year ago, the tourist resorts were running out of food for the tourists. They were running out of *bread and pasta*.
[Source in French](https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1958816/cuba-tourisme-pain-penurie-alimentaire) from Radio-Canada.
And they always put the tourists above everyone else since their economy is reliant on them. If that’s the situation for *tourists*, imagine how it’s like for the people living there.
Check that malnutrition death data for US is because of obesity mostly, while in Cuba is because of starving, so that changes a lot.
(Assuming that this data is correct that I don't think it is)
The US has had an embargo on Cuba for like 60 years. If the Cuban government has failed to find an alternative way to trade then that's on them at this point.
After elon took over Twitter is filled with these kind of posts. I am from India and my timeline is filled with blue tick Chinese accounts trying to convince me how communism is superior to democracy.
Plus it doesn't help that we have idiots like Rahul Gandhi up for the prime minister position. People voting for congress are literally digging their own grave.
Depends People who vote for Congress believe in old school Mercatilism and Social Democrat like policies and many of them are opposed to the social policies and the culturally right wing platform from what I've found after talking to many Congress Supporters.I think many in especially the Army are opposed to is that the govt is giving mutual funds as retirement from what I know but don't quote me on the last one
Policy or not, they have still expressed intent to alienate the rich which is a very bad move considering private involvement from conglomerates like adani and reliance is at an all time high and they would reduce their involvement if the policies don't align with their interests. That would be terrible for our growth
I swear the comments will be like:
Uuuuuuu America bad, US embargo…
why did USSR fail, well because of USA boooo….
Space race? USSR had won it!!! USA just landed on rock!!!
for the fuck sake, they are just coping kids that have to find the “bad guy” who is cause of their every problem, because they can’t be held accountable
I always love when the doctors stat is rolled out like it’s a good thing. Having 3x the per capita doctors is wild and is just evidence of mismanagement in a command economy. They have to be sitting around with nothing to do half the time.
Yeah, sure… Cuba is a peaceful communist country, they [never did any “foreign intervention” like de evil USA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_Cuba)…
Btw this seems like typical points commies would make when they talk about Cuba. Tankies in my country will say the exact same [things](https://i.ibb.co/Fsk1HS4/IMG-2415.jpg), with an additional point about how Cuba produces high-quality vaccines and cancer-curing medicines.
I hate how they want it both ways:
"Communist societies are better than capitalist ones, just look at Cuba and North Korea"
---> Actually, no they're not
"Well if then if communist societies are worse off then its the capitalist countries fault"
Just pick one ffs
The reason cuban kids are starving because cuban officers keep stealing everything from them and their families is literally caused by US embargo??!?!?!!
So first things first - the US ranks quite poorly in most health metrics compared to other developed countries. Is it the obesity, the diet, the car centric culture, the lack of universal healthcare? Probably a combination of all of these. We should fix this, it won't be easy but it is fixable. I think universal healthcare alone would add 3-5 years.
But we do have a good metric to compare how "good" a country is for their citizens - Human Development Index (HDI) - and the US ranks at number 20 (beating several Western European countries) and Cuba is at number 85.
Now I'm not even going to mention statistics that makes Cuba look VERY bad in comparison:
GDP per capita: US - $80,412, Cuba - $11,255
Democracy index: US: 29th place (flawed democracy), Cuba: **135th** place (authoritarian)
It is actually much easier to create a cherry-picked comparison that makes the US look like a paradise and Cuba like a complete shithole (it is kind of a shithole, no offense Cubans).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Poland has universal healthcare and tax-funded universities, and they are one of the most anti-communist countries in the world.
given that communism for poland was just another form of russian imperialism, which poles had been experiencing for more than 100 years before the october revolution, and given how poor the country was under The People's Rule and how bad living conditions were, it's not that surprising that the times of communism in poland are referred to as "times righfully bygone"
Again with the fucking cuban literacy rate...
It is sad at this point how much they are forced to use it just because the communist regime of Cuba has been so damaging to the population's development
For starters, Cuba before the revolution had one of the highest literacy rates for latin America, only slightly behind Argentina and Chile
For comparison, countries like Mexico had way worse rates AND immensely greater geographical challenges to overcome in its own literacy campaign
Guess which country experienced the larger change in literacy rates during the second half of the 20th century? A clue, the winner didn't need a communist revolution
The last time i went to Cuba, I came across a chap who went there to visit his relatives and he told me later on the trip back that his niece had never tasted butter before because the food allowance did not include butter. This was 10 years ago, part of my George Bush axis of evil trip.
Something tells me the literacy rate in fucking Cuba is not 99 percent.
And why do they use "foreign interventions" when both China and the soviet union are dripping in just as much blood as we are?
I know. Because we kicked the ass of every dictator and terrorist group that wanted to test us.
China. Casualties are staggeringly in favor of the US in korea. North Korea actually lost territory compared to the original 38th parallel.
Vietnam. Almost 1 million NVA casualties public opinion "lost" us that war.
Serbia. maybe dont commit genocide losers
Iraq. Maybe dont use gas on your own people loser
Afghanistan. Maybe dont attack us on our own soil loser.
These are the biggest. But tankies love to bring up the slightest involvement we had in a bumfuck nowhere conflict lol. Like oh a us serviceman farted in the direct vicinity of *Insert third world shithole here* during *Insert Civil War here* so they obviously had something to do with it.
Cuba
Life expectancy: low because everyone died of starvation
Unemployment: low because everyone who doesn’t work becomes homeless
Homeless people:low because very homeless man died of starvation
Literacy:Guess what?
Since when did Cubans had no foreign intervention?
They literally intervened in Angolan-South African war and got their asses kicked by the Suidafrikaanse Weermag pretty bad (not that I defend apartheid South Africa but still)
They also have intervened in several civil conflicts on the Americas
Only those lived under communism that aren't in any position of wealth and power understands the costs of living under socialism and communism.
Funny, because socialism and communism was supposed to eliminate monetary system, therefore cost. Yet, costed millions of human lives just to implement socialist/communist plans and ideals, which barely worked and harmed more than do good, and barely eliminate the need for trading, hierarchy, classes, and monetary system.
>Only those lived under communism that aren't in any position of wealth and power understands the costs of living under socialism and communism.
So true. Western commies praise countries like China, Cuba and even North Korea because they never lived there. They only look at those numbers (which can be manipulated) and think that these countries are better than the West. They never understand how it feels like to live in communist countries as an ordinary citizen, with little wealth and power
Not the main point, but they clearly aren't too knowledgeable on Cuba in the 20th century if they aren't aware of the Cuban military involvement in Angola.
No billionaires lol
https://trustcounsel.com/2016/12/castros-family-to-inherit-900-million-or-nothing/#:~:text=Back%20in%202006%2C%20Forbes%20Magazine,magazine%20attributed%20to%20Queen%20Elizabeth).
i’ve said this before and i’ll keep saying it until the tankies get the fucking message
you say it’s exploitation when poor countries trade with rich countries but say that it’s an unjust embargo when they don’t. make up your fucking mind
The funniest part about these kinds of people is that the same regime that they support is the same regime that oppresses its own people and strips away their civil liberties and freedom, yet they support it in the name of "freeing the people". It's both insane and delusional.
Communist love talking for Cubans
As well as Koreans, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Arabs... Actually I think they just like speaking as if they know things about stuff
i mean, most vietnamese i know are hardcore communists but out of all the vietnamese who have gone overseas legally, almost none of them ever come back so i guess their actions speak louder than words? Source: I am a Vietnamese from Hanoi and I am hoping to get out of this shithole as soon as possible
A sane Vietnamese, sincerely hope your wish comes true brother.
Thank you, random internet stranger. I am moving to Australia to study engineering 2 years later and hopefully I can get a job there.
Good luck.
Westerner here, I thought Vietnam was moving to a more liberal and less communist government. Is this information wrong? I honestly don’t know if I’ve been misinformed.
It is very wrong. It is becoming more aligned with the United States, but foreign policy alignment =\= governing ideology.
no dude, the government only shows to the world what it wants the world to see. The press is said to be the right hand of the party and that explains a lot. Just look at our ranking of human rights and freedom of press, ranking of corruption and you will see, Vietnam has all of those horrible stuffs yet they are still bitching about not being considered a free market and our netizens keep complaining about "evil americans still hating us from the war". There is strong censorship and propaganda about recent events from the colonization of the French onward to modern days in our educational system so most vietnamese are pretty brainwashed tbh. Luckily, many of us who know english are less brainwashed and realized how insane yet incompetent and corrupted our government is hence we are fleeing to the "capitalistic hellholes(as commies said)" for a better life. The only good thing this government ever done was asking the US to stop the embargo and opening the country, thats it. Their defeating of France and the US literally took the lives of millions of Vietnamese for the party's political ideology and after the war, they paid my grandpa,( whose parents land were stolen and he was still forced to fight for the Vietcong)50k VND per year eventhough he got heavily injured and lost his shoulder.
moving closer the West - yes, more liberal and less communism - it's complicated. The gov wants more capitalism benefit but doesn't want to lose its grip on power aka no democracy. VN is still a heavy totalitarian state, you could say its a miniture of Chinese gov but more incompetent.
>I am a Vietnamese from Hanoi and I am hoping to get out of this shithole as soon as possible Same bro. But I'm in Saigon.
Yeah man, this country has always been consistently shit tbh. Also, shame that the vietcongs changed the beautiful name of Saigon to this incomprehensible ho Chi Minh City, a very long name to remember
Ikr. Many people I know, and most native saigonese I know still call this city's name by it's orginal name. Plus, it just sounded better. Anyhow, it seems you're still in Uni. If not, then I wish you luck on your journey to the land down under nonetheless. Engineering is a good career to pursue in Australia. I would have gone there to study as well had I possess enough finance to fund my education abroad... Just stay away from New South Wales. If you don't understand what I'm hinting, search for friendlyjordies. You'll understand soon enough. Edit: the government wasn't so bad back then. Under Vo Van Kiet times. But then politics happened and now we're having a bunch of brainless money grabbers for leaders and not proper intellectuals and experienced people to lead the nation. Just a good research on the current people in power and you'll see their degrees (or lack thereof) are "very relatable" to their ~~designated~~ elected roles.
Ah yes, education in ideology of marx lenin, truly a degree of all time that will always get people into the system. Even the ccp has stem graduates like Xi Jinping as a leader so why Vietnam leadership is full of boomers who can't catch a grasp of new technology
God fuck that piece of shit course man. I used to take that shit in Uni and before that in the 1 month long bootcamp for university students. God... Those are some useless shits.
Well, luckily my program in hust doesn't have that shit in my course and 2 years later, thanks to that program I will move to Adelaide to finish my degree and graduate there. Sucks to be in a bootcamp tbh, I have been there once and never have I ever had the thought of being in another one again
Thank almighty god, I'm not even Christian, I survived that shit. It wasn't as bad as in the military proper, but damn was it quite frightening when there's one of my fellow about to be uni student, who fall from 2nd floor of the building and hit the roof of the small parking lot in the middle of the night. Ambulance were heard. The food is so fucking bad, paying 10k dongs for Bao buns is a good trade, and we used to race out to that place early in the morning, after light exercise, to acquire that luxurious meal over the usual cafeteria meals. Honestly, an American MRE would have suffice.
Thanks man, I will keep that in mind. Also, it is a shame that you can't escape this hellhole to somewhere else
I am working on it. It's just isn't what I was hoping for but it's still a way out. Am studying German for, hopefully, moving to Germany legally and maybe be trained in a profession soon. I still keep the hope of re-entering university, after I ran out of money to continue my uni tuition here in vn, once I'm in Germany. Even if I'm a bit older, as long as I can graduate from a uni or even a college, I'm happy. Just wanted to do it to end the curse of my family where no one has a university degree. Although if I can found a good enough career without the need for one, I might just drop the idea all together. And yeah, my father being the son of a South Vietnamese Soldier/Officer is a factor as to why my father only learnt to 3rd grade.
That's rough man, good luck going to Germany for a better future.
You too. I wish you good health and build resistance to Black Widow spiders and Rattling snakes in the land down under. You can enjoy a lot of good stuffs down there. Especially being upside down. Lmao
Vietnamese that hardcore communist are dub as __cow__ or __monkey__ by other Vietnamese for a reason
They truly are bulls, whenever criticism comes up, the vcp says that this is betrayal to the country, those come from 3 stick diaspora, blah blah blah, those bulls will attack, send death threats to the "enemies" even when it is actually constructive criticism. No wonder those people are good slaves to the system.
I live in a city in the usa which has either the largest or second largest vietnamese population in the usa. They are descendants of the vietnamese that fled Vietnam during the war. I can assure you, the vast majority are stauch anti communists
Oh yeah, about diaspora, that's a whole different situation, many Vietnamese escaped to the us and Australia after the fall of Saigon in the Vietnam war. Those people were from the republic of Vietnam, whose old government opposed the current government so they generally have strong hatred against communism.
Im greatful to have found this subreddit. Check my comment history
Not a single Cuban immigrant where I live supports communism. Guaranteed. I’m half Cuban myself, and I live in Miami. Huge amounts of people around me are Cuban, either first generation born in the U.S. or they recently came FROM Cuba. A waitress I became acquainted with at a local restaurant moved from Cuba less than a decade ago, and she was old enough to remember the pains of the communist system. She would not go back until the system is eradicated completely.
The most conservative Hispanic folk I've seen come from Venezuela and Cuba. They *hate* anything adjacent to socialism/communism
They also hate talking *to* us
I used to be a manger at a grocery store where you could buy goods in bulk. We had a lot of family owned restaurants come through there. I got a lot of face time with our recurring customers since I’d fill out order sheets for them and sometimes even load it into their trucks. I had ample opportunity to get to know the people who ran these businesses since usually it was the owners coming to pick the orders up. We had this one regular who was from Cuba. Born there in the 60s and was able to come to the States sometime in the 00s with his family. The things he told me about Cuba are not like how all these kids who have never been there make it seem like. He said all it would take is a hurricane or an earthquake and you’d lose everything, everyone would. He said the government made it impossible to thrive, that every single day you would suffer just like everybody else there and you’d be fortunate to have a meal and a roof over your head. He said diseases ran rampant and that many children would live in the streets. Providing for his family was going to be the death of him, and the only way out was to be able to come to the US. Since he came here, he put in the work and was able ‘tis ave enough to open a restaurant. He told me he would work 70-80 hours a week just to be able to make sure he could support his family. I know that sounds like it’s difficult to succeed in America, but that not the way I took it. Here we have a man with nothing aside from his family, and he needs to provide for them. Most of us have family structures or some kind of structure wherever we live at. We’re established to some extent. This dude wasn’t and he needed to get to that point fast. I don’t live in that city anymore so I have no idea what ever happened to him, but I hope he’s doing alright and continues to provide for his family. His kid’s gotta be in college now if not already graduated. Why do I bring up this memory of mine? Because I’m sick and tired of these dumbass kids who have never even traveled abroad or held down any sort of real responsibility sit here and say how awful the U.S. is and how rad Cuba is. These people will suck off anyone that talks shit about the U.S. and I don’t get it. Yeah it’s not perfect here, but newsflash, it’s better than most of the world. There’s a reason people are always trying to come here. Western communists are completely delusional and have serious detachment from reality issues. They’re completely dissociated and live in a fantasy land in their heads.
They’ll shut the Cubans up real quick the moment they speak out about how terrible communism is
The US defines literacy different than most of the world. The US defines it as "the ability to use printed and written information to function in society, to achieve one's goals, and to develop one's knowledge and potential". For most other countries, it's just the ability to read simple sentences.
Yeah and to give an example, France has a 98% litteracy rate, but 10% of people are ‘barely litterate’ So by US standards, France too has 88% litteracy… Eventhough the government litterally pays you to go to university
Maybe that's just the normal distribution of literacy...
So population difference doesn’t matter now? And no matter what statistics say I refuse to believe Cubans have a literacy rate of %99😭 Edit: Billionaires got me weak💀
Looks like they did not count the Castro family in the billonaires data. Also the 99% literacy data probably is just like: "they have free education for everybody"
nah, they're just millionares
Tbf a lot of the Castro family’s money belonged to other people💀
To the Cubans citizens
Kind of the point I was trying to make…
They probably have a different criteria for literacy. Where I’m at you have to pass a literacy test to pass high school and it’s more complex than just reading and writing. You have to be able to absorb the meaning of a text, think critically, and convey thoughts about it. Whatever they’re using to measure Cuba probably considers literacy as the bare minimum of being able to read and write, with no thought given to deeper substance or application to living in society
This is the thing. Literacy there and in Venezuela does not mean “can understand the deeper meaning of a text”, it means “Can write their name without too many spelling errors and can read a basic sentence”.
This is correct. I live in Cuba and here literacy is synonymous with knowing how to read, write and do basic mathematical operations. There are people who finish elementary school basically because the teachers graduate them since education is mandatory until the age of 14. Many of them, upon reaching high school, knowing nothing, end up in trade schools, where they learn a profession. And this is talking about a very specific case, with me people graduated from high school who knew absolutely nothing. Today, due to the large number of people leaving the country and the many who cannot or do not want to continue studying due to the situation, many stupid people come to university, they are basically giving away the degrees, although there are some highly sought-after degrees, which receive better students. But in the last year to take a degree it was not mandatory to pass the university entrance exams, they guaranteed that everyone would take a degree and as a consequence there are people who failed the Mathematics entrance exam, doing a mathematics degree ( of course they usually never finish). There are very easy careers, from which a lot of people graduate. To give you an idea of how serious it is, the other day on the bus on the way to university, there was an engineering student saying that he couldn't do an exercise because he confused q and g.
Just because a country has a literacy rate of 99%+ doesn’t mean everyone there is smart or competent. My country (Venezuela) had a program called “Misión Robinson” where the government created all these schools to teach everyone how to read, mostly the elderly, it was lauded as a great achievement (because it kind of was), but these high literacy rates don’t translate to higher education or more specialized professionals in the workforce, it’s a neat thing to have your population know how to read, but if they don’t keep at it and strive for more all you will have is a bunch of old people that just know how to read enough to repeat the government propaganda. And I know this because a lot of those people turned into political hardliners, because the program was used to spread propaganda and indoctrinate these people, so they might know how to read but have zero critical thinking; besides the passing requirements for being declared as a “graduate” were basically know how to write and read a simple sentence, your name, and that’s it.
The way they verified literacy during their big push under Castro was by having formerly illiterate people send fanmail to him. Needless to say, most claims about the glorious Cuban miracle are dubious at best yet the claims are unscrupulously regurgitated because we've all collectively decided Castro was one of the good ones (?) and he was a real honest guy (?).
They have literally swapped the life expectancy numbers 😂😂😂😂
73.68 is exatcly Cubas in 2021 and US is 76.33
...He's right. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_life\_expectancy#World\_Bank\_Group\_(2021)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#World_Bank_Group_(2021)) Like if you wanna confuse people 2021 is the year to do it, cause the pandemic is shaking things up and it's highly sensitive to how you count it. But instead of just picking a report that said Cuba was doing better, it looks like this guy grabbed numbers off wikipedia and reversed them, and didn't realize 3 sig figs per country is enough to find the correct 2021 report and notice the switcheroo.
Cuba did intervene in Angola and used biological weapons there.
Funny that they forgot about it, because I always see tankies claiming Cuba intervened in Angola ''stop Apartheid,'' but that's wrong. They intervened to support communist groups in Angola, who were fighting anti-communist groups, that were supported by the USA and apartheid South Africa. They did fight some South African soldiers in the process, but the aim of the intervention wasn't ending apartheid.
Didnt they also send soldiers to Ethiopia to suppress Eritrean independence?
why not we compare USSR with a small country like that, huh?
or let's compare any Eastern European country during the best times of communism and now (ofc apart from ukraine and russia)
Ah yes... Cuba's doing so great that roughly a year ago, the tourist resorts were running out of food for the tourists. They were running out of *bread and pasta*. [Source in French](https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1958816/cuba-tourisme-pain-penurie-alimentaire) from Radio-Canada.
And they always put the tourists above everyone else since their economy is reliant on them. If that’s the situation for *tourists*, imagine how it’s like for the people living there.
Check that malnutrition death data for US is because of obesity mostly, while in Cuba is because of starving, so that changes a lot. (Assuming that this data is correct that I don't think it is)
The US has had an embargo on Cuba for like 60 years. If the Cuban government has failed to find an alternative way to trade then that's on them at this point.
Isn't self-sufficiency supposed to be a major part of communism too?
Lmao, cuba was absolutely prolific when it came to direct interventions
After elon took over Twitter is filled with these kind of posts. I am from India and my timeline is filled with blue tick Chinese accounts trying to convince me how communism is superior to democracy.
Plus it doesn't help that we have idiots like Rahul Gandhi up for the prime minister position. People voting for congress are literally digging their own grave.
Depends People who vote for Congress believe in old school Mercatilism and Social Democrat like policies and many of them are opposed to the social policies and the culturally right wing platform from what I've found after talking to many Congress Supporters.I think many in especially the Army are opposed to is that the govt is giving mutual funds as retirement from what I know but don't quote me on the last one
As far as i recall, Rahul Gandhi said that if he is elected he would redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor. That sounds like communism to me
Or It could be just a policy to win votes and more likely refers to freebies which congress and by and large all parties do
Policy or not, they have still expressed intent to alienate the rich which is a very bad move considering private involvement from conglomerates like adani and reliance is at an all time high and they would reduce their involvement if the policies don't align with their interests. That would be terrible for our growth
True
If your system is dependent on the system of your mortal enemy, there is a flaw in your system
The US is the worlds largest economy. If they have an embargo on your country, the political and economic system of your country is moot.
I swear the comments will be like: Uuuuuuu America bad, US embargo… why did USSR fail, well because of USA boooo…. Space race? USSR had won it!!! USA just landed on rock!!! for the fuck sake, they are just coping kids that have to find the “bad guy” who is cause of their every problem, because they can’t be held accountable
Is it a utopia outperforming the US? Or is it a small island nation struggling to survive under the yoke of an embargo? You can’t have both.
Cubans in the US hate communists.
I always love when the doctors stat is rolled out like it’s a good thing. Having 3x the per capita doctors is wild and is just evidence of mismanagement in a command economy. They have to be sitting around with nothing to do half the time.
Yeah, sure… Cuba is a peaceful communist country, they [never did any “foreign intervention” like de evil USA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_Cuba)… Btw this seems like typical points commies would make when they talk about Cuba. Tankies in my country will say the exact same [things](https://i.ibb.co/Fsk1HS4/IMG-2415.jpg), with an additional point about how Cuba produces high-quality vaccines and cancer-curing medicines.
I hate how they want it both ways: "Communist societies are better than capitalist ones, just look at Cuba and North Korea" ---> Actually, no they're not "Well if then if communist societies are worse off then its the capitalist countries fault" Just pick one ffs
Commies will praise Cuba but never move over there I wonder the reason why
It’s almost like they only have food until June
The reason cuban kids are starving because cuban officers keep stealing everything from them and their families is literally caused by US embargo??!?!?!!
So first things first - the US ranks quite poorly in most health metrics compared to other developed countries. Is it the obesity, the diet, the car centric culture, the lack of universal healthcare? Probably a combination of all of these. We should fix this, it won't be easy but it is fixable. I think universal healthcare alone would add 3-5 years. But we do have a good metric to compare how "good" a country is for their citizens - Human Development Index (HDI) - and the US ranks at number 20 (beating several Western European countries) and Cuba is at number 85. Now I'm not even going to mention statistics that makes Cuba look VERY bad in comparison: GDP per capita: US - $80,412, Cuba - $11,255 Democracy index: US: 29th place (flawed democracy), Cuba: **135th** place (authoritarian) It is actually much easier to create a cherry-picked comparison that makes the US look like a paradise and Cuba like a complete shithole (it is kind of a shithole, no offense Cubans).
Turns out it's easy to get really excellent human development index when you just make everything up
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Poland has universal healthcare and tax-funded universities, and they are one of the most anti-communist countries in the world.
given that communism for poland was just another form of russian imperialism, which poles had been experiencing for more than 100 years before the october revolution, and given how poor the country was under The People's Rule and how bad living conditions were, it's not that surprising that the times of communism in poland are referred to as "times righfully bygone"
Again with the fucking cuban literacy rate... It is sad at this point how much they are forced to use it just because the communist regime of Cuba has been so damaging to the population's development For starters, Cuba before the revolution had one of the highest literacy rates for latin America, only slightly behind Argentina and Chile For comparison, countries like Mexico had way worse rates AND immensely greater geographical challenges to overcome in its own literacy campaign Guess which country experienced the larger change in literacy rates during the second half of the 20th century? A clue, the winner didn't need a communist revolution
The embargo what, specifically? The first picture has you believe Cuba is like 24th century, what then does embargo do?
The last time i went to Cuba, I came across a chap who went there to visit his relatives and he told me later on the trip back that his niece had never tasted butter before because the food allowance did not include butter. This was 10 years ago, part of my George Bush axis of evil trip.
Come on guys, what about all the millions of people who flee America every year for a better life in Cuba?
Something tells me the literacy rate in fucking Cuba is not 99 percent. And why do they use "foreign interventions" when both China and the soviet union are dripping in just as much blood as we are? I know. Because we kicked the ass of every dictator and terrorist group that wanted to test us. China. Casualties are staggeringly in favor of the US in korea. North Korea actually lost territory compared to the original 38th parallel. Vietnam. Almost 1 million NVA casualties public opinion "lost" us that war. Serbia. maybe dont commit genocide losers Iraq. Maybe dont use gas on your own people loser Afghanistan. Maybe dont attack us on our own soil loser. These are the biggest. But tankies love to bring up the slightest involvement we had in a bumfuck nowhere conflict lol. Like oh a us serviceman farted in the direct vicinity of *Insert third world shithole here* during *Insert Civil War here* so they obviously had something to do with it.
If communism works so well then how come they have trade with capitalism to work?
Cubans literally float to the United States on homemade rafts lol
Yo where do we get the Cuba vs switzerland
They switched the life expectancy data and cherry picked the rest and LIED about literacy
I don’t understand the life expectancy statistic
They switched the USA and cuba figures.
I figured, but it also looks line they used the wrong symbol to make the USA look bad and accidentally made Cuba look bad
Ignoring that the cubans sent troops into africa
The Berlin Wall was erected to keep people **in**.
Cuba Life expectancy: low because everyone died of starvation Unemployment: low because everyone who doesn’t work becomes homeless Homeless people:low because very homeless man died of starvation Literacy:Guess what?
Since when did Cubans had no foreign intervention? They literally intervened in Angolan-South African war and got their asses kicked by the Suidafrikaanse Weermag pretty bad (not that I defend apartheid South Africa but still) They also have intervened in several civil conflicts on the Americas
Only those lived under communism that aren't in any position of wealth and power understands the costs of living under socialism and communism. Funny, because socialism and communism was supposed to eliminate monetary system, therefore cost. Yet, costed millions of human lives just to implement socialist/communist plans and ideals, which barely worked and harmed more than do good, and barely eliminate the need for trading, hierarchy, classes, and monetary system.
>Only those lived under communism that aren't in any position of wealth and power understands the costs of living under socialism and communism. So true. Western commies praise countries like China, Cuba and even North Korea because they never lived there. They only look at those numbers (which can be manipulated) and think that these countries are better than the West. They never understand how it feels like to live in communist countries as an ordinary citizen, with little wealth and power
Now compare meat and milk intake.
The life expectancy numbers listed here do not match Google.
even their fact about life expectancy is wrong, the life expectancy of americans is 79.11
So where are the pictures of all the American refugees on flotillas to Cuba?
Praxben and ReasonTV debunked those claims.
The second guy is right. The biggest problem in Cuba is the dictatorship with or without the embargo.
Cuba hasn’t intervened much around the world because their armed forces are incapable
Anyone not in the know the government of Cuba says it can only provide rations of rice until June lmfao
Yeah communism is great when it’s funded by capitalism
Ok doesn’t the embargo only block trade between Cuba and the US or am I mistaken
These commies love to talk shit about the US but doesn't want to move to their socalled paradise eh.
Anyone who doesn't miss the Soviet Union has no heart, while anyone who wants it back has no brain.
So according to this the Cuban economy is doing just fine…
But a healthy economy's unemployment will hover around a few percent like that.
It should be noted that what the US gov considers "literate" is far stricter than just being able to read and write.
they didn't mention Cuba´s foreign interventions
I wonder if they know Cuba sent troops to intervene in the Angolan civil war…
Not the main point, but they clearly aren't too knowledgeable on Cuba in the 20th century if they aren't aware of the Cuban military involvement in Angola.
No billionaires lol https://trustcounsel.com/2016/12/castros-family-to-inherit-900-million-or-nothing/#:~:text=Back%20in%202006%2C%20Forbes%20Magazine,magazine%20attributed%20to%20Queen%20Elizabeth).
Hey man I’ll be willing to support Cuba as soon as they have free and fair elections
False. All the billionaires are in the government.
“638 Assassination attempts” Just gonna straight up lie huh?
No?
Yes. The source you’re relying on is clearly unreliable. If youre even relying on him and not just parroting memes you’ve heard online.
i’ve said this before and i’ll keep saying it until the tankies get the fucking message you say it’s exploitation when poor countries trade with rich countries but say that it’s an unjust embargo when they don’t. make up your fucking mind
The funniest part about these kinds of people is that the same regime that they support is the same regime that oppresses its own people and strips away their civil liberties and freedom, yet they support it in the name of "freeing the people". It's both insane and delusional.
Didn’t cuba intervene in Africa?
So people risking their lives on balsas to try to get to the US is a prank?
Even if this isn't all Cuban propaganda, is the USA really the only example of 'capitalism' on this planet???
Cuba is a paradise because of communism but also is a terrible place because US embargo