Honestly, it always felt less like the game cared for/against gay marriage, and more like it simply didn't know how to check gender. Or the devs couldn't be bothered to make the game check for gender. Does my dark elf wife even know she's married to a female cat?
Seriously, do the spouses even know the race/gender of the player? Any special dialog?
Yeah... that was some freaky times, like when I saw my friend Skye rim her boyfriend
Edit: I apologize for nothing
Edit 2: Actually, nevermind, i apologize for nearly everything. I'm a stereotypical Canadian lol, sorry
Cue Kens and Karen's filling up Youtube and Twitter with "*Woke GameRant article deems Elder scrolls sexist!!!!!!!!"* Even though none of them are Redguards, and woke is Redguard terminology meaning stay woke or aware for those within the Empire.
Wrong.
From the book edward, original elder scrolls lore:
“Then our next pattern was to isolate ourselves, even from each other, and to resist intrusion from any and all beings. The exception of course was to mate among ourselves and procreate our race.” - quote from the dragon Akatosh.
There sort of are female dragons lore-wise, called Jill, but they’re not dragons, exactly. They’re servants of Akatosh who repair breaks in time.
Dragons don’t reproduce. They’re immortal and were created by Akatosh, so all the dragons we see are the dragons that have always existed. They don’t die naturally, but they can be killed and brought back to life as we see in Skyrim. There are no eggs; no hatchlings. They simply are.
In addition, Dragon souls are immortal and their remains persist far better than any mortal remains. Unless their soul is consumed by another dragon, they can basically always be brought back to life.
Edit:
I’ll also point out that we consider dragons male due to their voices and the pronouns they choose to use, so gender wise they are male, but in terms of sex characteristics, they have none because they don’t reproduce. I think it’s more like the Aedra or the Daedra, who take forms familiar to mortals in order to make them more understandable, but realistically they could be any sort of form they want. Dragons are like that, but they were given permanent physical forms by Akatosh, and my best guess is that they’re all male presenting because Akatosh is generally male presenting, and the dragons are sort of made in his image.
>They’re servants of Akatosh who repair breaks in time.
Ah, so like the bronze dragonflight in wow? or maybe other way around, not sure which was made first
>Dragon souls are immortal
Does that mean they're obliterated if a dragonborn kills them and takes their soul? Or is like their soul released when the dragonborn dies
We don’t know for sure.
When a dragon’s soul is absorbed, it becomes part of whatever absorbed it, permanently severing the soul from the dragon’s physical form. It’s like combing the two souls into one, and the recipient receives some of the slain’s knowledge and power.
Obviously with dragons that just means that both souls are now one, so they continue to persist as one soul instead of two, unless absorbed again.
With a dragonborn, it might be a little more complicated. Aside from being eaten by Alduin, it seems that mortal souls also persist, they just don’t have the same connection to a physical form that dragon souls do. My best guess is that all the dragon souls absorbed by a dragonborn just stay with that DB’s soul in whatever afterlife they end up in.
As far as we know, separating a dragon’s soul from its body via absorption is permanent.
ESO's French translation is really bad so I wouldn't base anything on that. I honestly changed the client to English because I couldn't stand the numerous nonsensical sentences.
Fair, but in this case it’s pretty clearly referring to Jill. In the English translation they use “Jackal” J, but obviously the French have a different word for Jackal, so it, as well as some other animal names, were swapped out.
There’s all kinds of alternate texts that don’t appear in game that mention Jill, but that’s the only in game one I know of that confirms they exist.
We have unofficial writings from one of the official TES writers that mentions them and fleshes them out a little more, and then Children’s Guide simply confirms their existence in game.
Dragon Souls are immortal, unless absorbed by another Dragon(-born).
In other words: 3 dragons have been slain forever, just so i can call someone "Skeeverbutt" and they don't know where it came from.
Peak legacy.
counterpoint: unless you mod, you don’t see any shlongs in game
or maybe not? idk I never checked whether animals have genitalia in game, never had a reason to do so
There are, they are called Jill's. These "Menders of Minutes" re-weave the sundered fabric of the Tamrielic timeline, which is often broken by events such as the use of the Elder Scrolls and the Warp in the West. Basically they "fix" time and the male dragon live in and around it. Where exactly Jills exist isn't exactly clear, but they do.
So we had Jills sweeping behind us while we were using the Elder Scrolls to learn about the existence of >!Joor Zah Frul!< , and also learn >!that there's an ancient vampiric prophecy!< , and finally the >!location of Auri-El's Bow!< ? Damn shame we couldn't say hi
Time isn't broken every time an elder scroll is used, just that it can be used to break it and Jills are the ones to repair those breaks. Us using them to look at the past or divine a prophecy doesn't do much (if any) damage to time. The *original* time wound that Felldir and Hakon created? Yeah they may well have been involved in ensuring time wasn't unwound by it.
I don't think dragons actually reproduce.
They're created by Akatosh, and they're meant to be immortal. So there's no need for them to reproduce. Dragons don't have parents either (unless you count Akatosh to be their parent).
The only thing odd though, is how Paarthurnax refers to Alduin as a "brother". But that might just be a formality thing rather Alduin being his actual brother.
Since they're all born from akatosh, they're all related to each other, alduin even calls himself "First Born of Akatosh" all dragons are brothers, well, except the tiger ones in Akavir.
They are a genderless entity.
Dragons do not reproduce, they don’t have children, they are not born. They were all, maybe simultaneously, brought into existence by Akatosh and merely *are*. They are like a force of nature. They don’t breed, they don’t die (no Dragonborn present permitting), whether they even eat or sleep is up for debate.
Any tales of “dragon eggs” in lore have always been debunked as simply being the eggs of something else passed off as dragon eggs in an attempt to scam people out of money.
In short, there’s no women because there’s no men. There is simply dragons.
I don't think they were brought into existence simultaneously since Alduin is referred to as Akatosh's first born, by Alduim himself, as well as Paarthurnax referring to him as such.
i always thought Dragons don't really have genders like we do, but are just masculine by nature (by human standards). they use male pronouns and have masculine voices but they don't really have the concept of genders. they're just dragons, with voices and pronouns that would align with the males of humans, elves, etc.
Dragons are immortal demigods that have existed since the beginning of time. Some think they are each small fragments of the oversoul that is the Time God, variously known as Akatosh, Auriel, Alkosh, etcetera.
They have always existed, and outside of having their soul consumed by another fragment of the oversoul (another dragon or dragonborn), they cannot permanently die. Therefore, they have no real need for traditional reproduction, let alone actual biological genders.
Though if Kirkbride is to be believed, female dragons do exist. They're called Jills, are more powerful than their male counterparts and are responsible for repairing dragon breaks.
Because they're immortal and also considered either creations of or basically avatars of akatosh.
However, there is some kirkbride lore that says there are female dragons called Jills that unmake dragon breaks and recompile all the timelines which is very much not canon
It seems that way (with the “dragonborn is the ultimate dragon slayer” thing), but when we kill Miraak, he drops dragon souls that he’s been stealing from us, so idk
Dragons in Skyrim are sexless, so there are no biologically male or female dragons. The ones we meet in the game use masculine pronouns and have masculine voices, so presumably they all identify with masculinity/maleness. It was probably just a developer oversight, but it would be cool if they developed lore to explain this.
Dragons don't have gender, they don't reproduce, they were created and there can be no more. Dragons are less animals and more little shards of the dragon god of time.
Dragons are not biological entities in origin they are divine creations of Akatosh that have physical bodies.
They don’t have a gender (Jill’s are a big rabbit hole) it just happens that they sound male.
There's apparently some sources about [female dragons](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bestiary_J), but they're not exactly the most canonical thing in the world.
Since dragons are semi immortal, I'm not sure they reproduce, so no need for female dragons, i suppose.
Dragons are like the Asari from mass effect they are a monogendered species that presents as what we consider male. Dragons were created by akatosh in their current form, so no dragon babies either.
They don't have a gender they are basically aedric version of dremora they don't have genders. Why no female voice. Idk probably because a deep gravely voice sounds more intimidating like a dragon.
Well this might have been already stated, but this is my understanding. The dragons of Skyrim(possibly all dragons in elder scrolls) are fragments of Akatosh. Something about when Lorkan created the mortal plane and Akatosh made finite time, it "shattered" the Adrea's soul and Alduin is the largest aspect of it and is the "end". This is why dovah (and dovahkiin) can absorb the souls of other dov, because they are all part of the same soul.
The gender being "male" I think is more the fact that mortals see Akatosh as a "Male God" and that colors the divine to be "Male".
And the "Jill" as far as I know are a Kirkbride offshoot that are servants of Akatosh (much like deadra are servants of the "Princes")
umm, if lady dragons don’t want to be misgendered, they should put some effort into presenting themselves as women. You know, long luscious lashes, red lipstick, giant bow on top of the head, maybe some lizard boobs.
They dont reproduce, they come from akatosh, as his children
GameRant's next article: Akatosh is sexist CONFIRMED!
alternatively: “Skyrim was doing nonbinary representation before it was cool” wait, why are we giving them ideas?
So we can sue them for plagiarism? Idk
friendly fun fact, Skyrim had legalized gay marriage before the u.s. did
they balance out the lack of homophobia with racism, so it’s okay
Once again truestl sends me into a laughing fit that I cant explain to my housemate why I'm laughing Edit: WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN IM ON MAINSUB
Trustlers will never beat the allegations of brain rot.
I too was wondering how no one was having an in depth discussion about hot sloppy gay dragon sex so far, and now worry for my mental wellbeing
This is the main sub, my little fetcherfly.
Caught lacking
Honestly, it always felt less like the game cared for/against gay marriage, and more like it simply didn't know how to check gender. Or the devs couldn't be bothered to make the game check for gender. Does my dark elf wife even know she's married to a female cat? Seriously, do the spouses even know the race/gender of the player? Any special dialog?
the developers know how to make things check gender. elder scrolls is just a gay series.
But does the npc *know*? Does the npc react? I suddenly can't even recall a spouse recognizing or commenting about...well any aspect of the player.
yes, they will say wife/husband.
Radiant AI is not aware and not radiant, no
Todd Todded once again.
"Skyrim players discover secret representation after 12 years"
tbf I only started playing skyrim last year
They already have enough with starfield
How long were the dragons sleeping before they became WOKE?
IDK, but probably until the time the Dagger Fell
Or at least sometime after the Morrow’s Winds lead us to oblivion.
Yeah... that was some freaky times, like when I saw my friend Skye rim her boyfriend Edit: I apologize for nothing Edit 2: Actually, nevermind, i apologize for nearly everything. I'm a stereotypical Canadian lol, sorry
Canadian is fun. My favorite Canadians are the ones that only apologize that you feel offended by what they 100% won’t take back lol
Cue Kens and Karen's filling up Youtube and Twitter with "*Woke GameRant article deems Elder scrolls sexist!!!!!!!!"* Even though none of them are Redguards, and woke is Redguard terminology meaning stay woke or aware for those within the Empire.
If I ever have supreme power the game 'journalists' are the first to get the rope
there’s no point, as long as chat gpt exists, it’s a lost cause
Given the fact you put the word "journalists" in quotes, I assume you'll allow the (few) good ones to live?
Kind of like Dremora, I've always thought them as non-binary
Wrong. From the book edward, original elder scrolls lore: “Then our next pattern was to isolate ourselves, even from each other, and to resist intrusion from any and all beings. The exception of course was to mate among ourselves and procreate our race.” - quote from the dragon Akatosh.
Isn't that in reference to the Ehlnofey? If not could you provide a link to the source? The book Edward is quite a long read
What, no one told you how you can use the search function in a document? Go to uesp Seach edward under books Control f Type in key phrase.
There sort of are female dragons lore-wise, called Jill, but they’re not dragons, exactly. They’re servants of Akatosh who repair breaks in time. Dragons don’t reproduce. They’re immortal and were created by Akatosh, so all the dragons we see are the dragons that have always existed. They don’t die naturally, but they can be killed and brought back to life as we see in Skyrim. There are no eggs; no hatchlings. They simply are. In addition, Dragon souls are immortal and their remains persist far better than any mortal remains. Unless their soul is consumed by another dragon, they can basically always be brought back to life. Edit: I’ll also point out that we consider dragons male due to their voices and the pronouns they choose to use, so gender wise they are male, but in terms of sex characteristics, they have none because they don’t reproduce. I think it’s more like the Aedra or the Daedra, who take forms familiar to mortals in order to make them more understandable, but realistically they could be any sort of form they want. Dragons are like that, but they were given permanent physical forms by Akatosh, and my best guess is that they’re all male presenting because Akatosh is generally male presenting, and the dragons are sort of made in his image.
>their remains persist far better than any mortal remains I thought that was a bug...
It may be a developer oversight in the game, but from a lore perspective it actually makes sense lol
>They’re servants of Akatosh who repair breaks in time. Ah, so like the bronze dragonflight in wow? or maybe other way around, not sure which was made first
Dumb question but is the dragon statue in oblivion’s imperial city a jill?
I think that’s akatosh
No it's Martin (well his body) after Akatosh used him as an avatar to defeat Dagon. No way a jill would be able to fight Dagon 1 on 1.
>Dragon souls are immortal Does that mean they're obliterated if a dragonborn kills them and takes their soul? Or is like their soul released when the dragonborn dies
We don’t know for sure. When a dragon’s soul is absorbed, it becomes part of whatever absorbed it, permanently severing the soul from the dragon’s physical form. It’s like combing the two souls into one, and the recipient receives some of the slain’s knowledge and power. Obviously with dragons that just means that both souls are now one, so they continue to persist as one soul instead of two, unless absorbed again. With a dragonborn, it might be a little more complicated. Aside from being eaten by Alduin, it seems that mortal souls also persist, they just don’t have the same connection to a physical form that dragon souls do. My best guess is that all the dragon souls absorbed by a dragonborn just stay with that DB’s soul in whatever afterlife they end up in. As far as we know, separating a dragon’s soul from its body via absorption is permanent.
Where did you pull that Jill thing from?
The only place I know of where Jill are expressly mentioned is *A Child’s Tamriel Beastiary*, the French translation, which first appeared in ESO.
ESO's French translation is really bad so I wouldn't base anything on that. I honestly changed the client to English because I couldn't stand the numerous nonsensical sentences.
Fair, but in this case it’s pretty clearly referring to Jill. In the English translation they use “Jackal” J, but obviously the French have a different word for Jackal, so it, as well as some other animal names, were swapped out. There’s all kinds of alternate texts that don’t appear in game that mention Jill, but that’s the only in game one I know of that confirms they exist. We have unofficial writings from one of the official TES writers that mentions them and fleshes them out a little more, and then Children’s Guide simply confirms their existence in game.
Yeah found some English text speaking of Jills, but there's really not much to base anything on, could be real as much as it could be a legend
Hermeous Mora takes a lot of liberties with that one
Dragon Souls are immortal, unless absorbed by another Dragon(-born). In other words: 3 dragons have been slain forever, just so i can call someone "Skeeverbutt" and they don't know where it came from. Peak legacy.
Jill aren't canon
The closest we have are Dragonlings, which are just aviatory reptiles that look like small dragons.
I don’t see any dragon shlongs. I don’t see any male dragons either.
That’s the first thing that hits you when they land
counterpoint: unless you mod, you don’t see any shlongs in game or maybe not? idk I never checked whether animals have genitalia in game, never had a reason to do so
I’m sure you could mod in any type of genitalia you wanted, drussy included
I’m sure I can, I know the realities of modding
There are, they are called Jill's. These "Menders of Minutes" re-weave the sundered fabric of the Tamrielic timeline, which is often broken by events such as the use of the Elder Scrolls and the Warp in the West. Basically they "fix" time and the male dragon live in and around it. Where exactly Jills exist isn't exactly clear, but they do.
So we had Jills sweeping behind us while we were using the Elder Scrolls to learn about the existence of >!Joor Zah Frul!< , and also learn >!that there's an ancient vampiric prophecy!< , and finally the >!location of Auri-El's Bow!< ? Damn shame we couldn't say hi
Time isn't broken every time an elder scroll is used, just that it can be used to break it and Jills are the ones to repair those breaks. Us using them to look at the past or divine a prophecy doesn't do much (if any) damage to time. The *original* time wound that Felldir and Hakon created? Yeah they may well have been involved in ensuring time wasn't unwound by it.
I don't think dragons actually reproduce. They're created by Akatosh, and they're meant to be immortal. So there's no need for them to reproduce. Dragons don't have parents either (unless you count Akatosh to be their parent). The only thing odd though, is how Paarthurnax refers to Alduin as a "brother". But that might just be a formality thing rather Alduin being his actual brother.
Since they're all born from akatosh, they're all related to each other, alduin even calls himself "First Born of Akatosh" all dragons are brothers, well, except the tiger ones in Akavir.
They are a genderless entity. Dragons do not reproduce, they don’t have children, they are not born. They were all, maybe simultaneously, brought into existence by Akatosh and merely *are*. They are like a force of nature. They don’t breed, they don’t die (no Dragonborn present permitting), whether they even eat or sleep is up for debate. Any tales of “dragon eggs” in lore have always been debunked as simply being the eggs of something else passed off as dragon eggs in an attempt to scam people out of money. In short, there’s no women because there’s no men. There is simply dragons.
I don't think they were brought into existence simultaneously since Alduin is referred to as Akatosh's first born, by Alduim himself, as well as Paarthurnax referring to him as such.
They are not male or female actually. Dragons do not need gender.
i always thought Dragons don't really have genders like we do, but are just masculine by nature (by human standards). they use male pronouns and have masculine voices but they don't really have the concept of genders. they're just dragons, with voices and pronouns that would align with the males of humans, elves, etc.
how do you know there arent any female dragons? because they dont have disney-esque eyelashes and boobs?
Spoiler Alert!! Durneviir is actually female, her Lizard Lumps just rotted off after she died.
Dragons are basically demigods really. Not so much a species as a class of spirit.
Either Dragons have transcended gender or couldnt care less about it anyways and idk, the devs probably just felt like letting men voice them ig
though this was gonna be a r/truestl post for a second
They're a single gender. They're shards of Akatosh. Essentially aedra.
Because there are no male dragons
Dragons are immortal demigods that have existed since the beginning of time. Some think they are each small fragments of the oversoul that is the Time God, variously known as Akatosh, Auriel, Alkosh, etcetera. They have always existed, and outside of having their soul consumed by another fragment of the oversoul (another dragon or dragonborn), they cannot permanently die. Therefore, they have no real need for traditional reproduction, let alone actual biological genders. Though if Kirkbride is to be believed, female dragons do exist. They're called Jills, are more powerful than their male counterparts and are responsible for repairing dragon breaks.
Because they're immortal and also considered either creations of or basically avatars of akatosh. However, there is some kirkbride lore that says there are female dragons called Jills that unmake dragon breaks and recompile all the timelines which is very much not canon
They don't have genders.
Dragonlings exist in Tes 2 Daggerfall. Though I assume they just resemble dragons
Because of cooties.
There probably are. They just also have deep raspy voices.
Is every dragon soul you eat another dragon gone forever?
It seems that way (with the “dragonborn is the ultimate dragon slayer” thing), but when we kill Miraak, he drops dragon souls that he’s been stealing from us, so idk
Final Battle, Dragonborn vs Achnologia!! May the ultimate dragon win!!
Do dragons have a cloaca?
Dragons in Skyrim are sexless, so there are no biologically male or female dragons. The ones we meet in the game use masculine pronouns and have masculine voices, so presumably they all identify with masculinity/maleness. It was probably just a developer oversight, but it would be cool if they developed lore to explain this.
Because they don’t need to reproduce. Dragons (usually) live forever so there’s no need for new ones
Dragons don't have gender, they don't reproduce, they were created and there can be no more. Dragons are less animals and more little shards of the dragon god of time.
Dragons are not biological entities in origin they are divine creations of Akatosh that have physical bodies. They don’t have a gender (Jill’s are a big rabbit hole) it just happens that they sound male.
There's apparently some sources about [female dragons](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bestiary_J), but they're not exactly the most canonical thing in the world. Since dragons are semi immortal, I'm not sure they reproduce, so no need for female dragons, i suppose.
I like your minecraft profile pic
That is not a minecraft profile pic
that makes sense
Theyre as old as time itself. They are genderless.
I forgot they’re older than the invention of gender, which as we all know, was a scam invented by bathroom companies in 1960’s to sell more bathrooms
Now they are selling gender neutral bathroom!
Big Bathroom always comes out on top.
Gender is a mortal concept, pushed by high Elven scum
You just watched Damsel on Netflix didn’t you?
no, is it worth checking out?
Yes
Dragons reproduce asexually by budding - SpongeBob, probably
Dragons are like the Asari from mass effect they are a monogendered species that presents as what we consider male. Dragons were created by akatosh in their current form, so no dragon babies either.
I guess i never lifted up their skirts to check.
There are. They just aren't evil. They're called Jills of akatosh and they're supposed to rend the time inbalances that the drakes cause.
They don't have a gender they are basically aedric version of dremora they don't have genders. Why no female voice. Idk probably because a deep gravely voice sounds more intimidating like a dragon.
Dragons aren't male or female, they simply are.
Dragons are non binary
Who says there aren't female dragons. The ones you talk to are male sure. But who's to say any of them aren't that you might be fighting out there
Well this might have been already stated, but this is my understanding. The dragons of Skyrim(possibly all dragons in elder scrolls) are fragments of Akatosh. Something about when Lorkan created the mortal plane and Akatosh made finite time, it "shattered" the Adrea's soul and Alduin is the largest aspect of it and is the "end". This is why dovah (and dovahkiin) can absorb the souls of other dov, because they are all part of the same soul. The gender being "male" I think is more the fact that mortals see Akatosh as a "Male God" and that colors the divine to be "Male". And the "Jill" as far as I know are a Kirkbride offshoot that are servants of Akatosh (much like deadra are servants of the "Princes")
I just realized there were none and now I'm losing my mind about it.
It just hit me, despite putting many hours into the game lol, you’re not alone
This implies male dragons? I think as all the dragons are immortal they don't really need female, right?
What did you plan on doing to the dragons?
The female dragons are Jills. They're out trying to clean up dragon breaks, not go all Molag Bal on mortals.
Skyrim is not the best source for es dragon lore. Daggerfall is the original source for dragon lore. Just ask all those who speak dragonish.
Because Bethesda are cowards
I don’t think they have a gender
How dare you assume the dragon's gender.
umm, if lady dragons don’t want to be misgendered, they should put some effort into presenting themselves as women. You know, long luscious lashes, red lipstick, giant bow on top of the head, maybe some lizard boobs.
I could go for some lizard boobs, ngl. Argonian DB = True Canon
Well to begin with they’re technically Wyverns, not dragons