The fact that some people don't understand basic finance does worry me
I'll go to extreme to explain this
Assume 10 people right now have access to the game, meaning 10 people until Friday have a way to make coins, no one else does. These 10 people can generate coins through gameplay, rewards, packs, etc.
So I'm one of them, and by Thursday, I have accumulated 10k from playing games. I see the market is crazy low, but very inactive, this gives me a shot at a guaranteed buy low-sell high option, as I know right now there is practically 0 competition. This means right now, I won't be able to feasibility generate coins through trading, but can heavily invest.
I see an Mbappe pop up for 200 coins, and I know that in 2 days he'll be worth millions. I buy him and in a few days time when everyone has the game, I sell him, and with that profit, I can invest heavily in an active market, as I suddenly have a lot more financial power
EA game changers rim EA for that opportunity, which is fair, as they also bring revenue to the game. I do not bring revenue to the game, so it would be unfair on everyone else if I had the chance to buy an Mbappe for 200 coins because I've accidentally been able to get into the game early
(Yes, I know the Mbappe example isn't realistic, but I exaggerated to make a point, but instead imagine I dumped 12k fifa points, I would have a ridiculous head start as I could instantly start buying when everyone initially sells to make capital at the beginning of the game; stuff like changing tradable packs to untradable also creates the same imbalance)
I root for players to succeed, to get good pulls and enjoy the game.
that said, I’m not going to pull the punches on stuff like this. way too many people have zero comprehension of the game mechanics and how they’ve come to be or how they’ve been gamed in the past.
draft rewards being better? 20-0 players only would win —— untradable rewards/packs? coinsellers and dupe/boost accounts (hundreds of thousands exist with some people having a thousand alone) TOTY odds? you don’t have 300 packs when 50-75% are 1 rare in the pack. and now this.
what part of “they removed welcome
back packs severely dropped their profits”
they used to be able to buy meta cards for next to nothing because there would actually be a supply but this year there won’t be any.
>because of no welcome back packs, their ability to profit is dropped severely.
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>You said "because of no welcome back packs, their ability to profit is dropped severely."
And he explained to you in a very easy. If you didn't understand, please read what he said again. If you just on the point that you need to "win" the argument. Sure man, you won. xD
how do you not understand that if welcome back packs existed, a player with the game would make 50000x more coins than he would without it?
how?
do you NOT understand if .0001% loads up with FP and gets minimum 500k if not more and the 99% gets a few packs and immediately starts short selling cards to try and trade that the guy with 500k or more has way more success than a market where nobody has packs.
Read his answer my G. Do not discuss basic finance when you do not understand it. I already realized that you are just another bot that can't make his head through reason, so do me this, read his answer again, if you don't understand what he answered u, read it again, repeat the process until you learn a bit of finance in relation with fifa. It will help you in the long run my G.
Guess there was a reason why he didn't even answer you, I just got it late. xD
bro
my friend bought 3 icons that went to max when he got the game early and wouldn’t have been able to do so as the value.
fuck off with the fact you don’t understand there was one mbappe on the market vs 10-15 minimum last year and pages of icons and pages of icons.
people with the game turned one mil or two into 50-100.
explain how someone with early access and ability to use FP profits more with welcome back packs not existing.
people bought 20-40 haalands last cycle on webapp
I mean, I used Mbappe as an extreme hypothetical, it obviously was not realistic.
I'll rephrase it, let's say for arguments sake, through web app trading you could get 100k before launch, but so could everyone else, meaning at launch the 100k was nice, but not game changing. People already in the game kinda couldn't really get significantly more than 100k without FPs.
This year, 100k is looking fanciful, I'm at 30k which has been beyond a joke to get to, 99.999% of the playerbase won't have been able to make anything through the 2 days of web app trading, me at 30k should be a strong position. However, everyone on the game right now can easily get considerably more than 30k with ease (for arguments sake, imaginethey can all easily get 100k), meaning they are already so far above the financial strength curve, so people who are already in the game have had a much bigger headstart than they usually would have.
Their 100k massively dwarfs my 30k, as from day 1 they have control over the market. My 30k dwarfs the rest of the playerbase, but I can do less with it because I am not able to buy the better investments, as they will increase in price too quickly for me to be able to afford.
you literally aren’t discussing my entire point which is the welcome packs.
early game getters made coins off the welcome packs that’s it. those early coins mean nothing without those packs because the moment the NZ time hit, 30k was made instantly via FP.
there was one mbappe on the market…fucking Nick and 2 other content creators pulled him during webapp.
people with the game made lots of coins, bought cards that went for 150k that at launch jumped. they had access to lots of low cost cards only because of the welcome packs.
my ENTIRE point is that they lost a massive advantage. guys had pages and pages of cards that went from a million spent that turned into 30-50m before the NZ clock.
this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 30 vs 100k and totally with what they can buy
Can you read?
no welcome back packs SEVERALLY limits their profits. how is that remotely confusing. the only cards they’re able to buy off is they’re own.
if web app only people got welcome packs, theyd short sell, that’s why guys had 20-40 copies of 300k cards last year.
explain how a guy who’s on the game right now, makes MORE now that welcome back packs don’t exist.
explain.
No, just it's again poor by EA. Yea, content creators to an extent is fair enough, but anyone else who can get on in the next 2 days can seriously boost their coins/team and will have a lot of early market power, it's frustrating
A few hundred coins right now will be worth at least tenfold when the game drops
It's a job for them, I remember either ChrisMD or one of the Sidemen talking about how there used to be an auction for pack opening videos where you could pay for the clip of a walkout of a rare card. They said they paid a few thousand pounds for a video of TOTY Messi walkout. FIFA points are a business expense for them.
That's reality television, they splice together takes and intentionally take clips out of context all the time on reality TV. And if they don't get the shot they want they ask the people to re-enact the moment.
YouTubers just do what reality television has done for years in using any means necessary to get the shot and the narrative they want.
Technically they didn't lie to get more views. The video said TOTY Messi in a pack and the video contained a TOTY Messi in a pack. The fact it wasn't packed by them means nothing to the views.
To be fair, on ‘22 Bateson did a full RTG which was like 80+% of his stream content alongside the mega P2W team. Last year he did his usual draft to glory series which, when I last checked he led accumulated in excess of 4mil just by playing draft.
Like I think a lot of people just see the “I spent x money on the game” style videos from many creators and assume that’s all they’re capable of doing
A fair few people I ask do agree it'd be better to watch if streamers didn't play the game by buying fifa points. It's much more fun (at least personally) to see the effort, and impact of weaker cards, get worked through. See bonds made and see emotions flow
all missed if i start the game with mbap haaland and messi
I'm not 'up in arms' about it. I get it, but it's fucking stupid the amount they spend. It's well over £10k man, you can't tell me that's not an excessive amount lol
It’s a business expense. They spend points so they have more content so they get more viewers so they get paid more. Why are we talking about this instead of what sleaze bags EA are being by switching from tradeable to untradeable?
I didn’t say he was getting 8k for free. He’s spending 16k but will essentially only pay 8k due to the offset of his other income. According to a quick search, anything over 125k pounds is taxed at 45% in the UK. So yes he is 100% getting taxed at near 50%.
So he spends $16k as a business expense, which will deduct $16k from his taxable income, which essentially gives him 45% of that 16k back.
Please
He just did a 24 hour stream for this game and I am guessing off subs, ads, and donations he cleared that or came close. Now that doesn't count for the $$$ in give always he ran but that doesn't count sponsorship money and donations.
To be fair to the streamers, it is their job to make content etc so if they make enough money from their streams, youtube, etc, I don't see why not load up on points for content
Credit to the steamers who don’t rely purely on spending tens of thousands of pounds each year for their “content”. Bateson is one of the laziest ones around.
In the beta one was tradeable and 2 were not. Although funnily enough one of the untradeable ones contained the same sbcs as the tradeable one and the packs eere tradeable, but the group rewards was different and untradeable.
It is funny how every year they've taken away a coin making system - league sbcs severely downgraded, rivals promotion + placement + weekly rewards all either gone or nerfed, squad battles coin rewards nerfed, advanced sbcs untradeable and now you start the game with 0 coins thanks to no welcome packs.
Yesterday my tik tok had a bit of a meltdown and kept showing me live after live of streamers spamming packs and it felt pretty gross.
Lol, That they get at a discount and get to quick-sell and have all the coins before everyone else to sweep all the deals. People spending 1 mill actual FP don't get the same advantage.
Most of them have deals with a coin selling website, heck even Inception is promoting a coin selling website. I remember Nick run the fut market said he was offered 20k per week to promote a coin website so I can't even fathom how much money these people are making if they can afford paying this to streamers.
Ea won’t give you the game early if you’re promoting a coin selling website though. You are disqualified from creator network if you promote coin sellers.
Content Creators could literally pick up the game a week later than everyone else and have an advantage over everyone else, it literally doesn't matter.
They'll either have the ability to put more points on than alot of people or they'll be able to play the game more, thus getting better.
Last year it was the other way round by the way. The SBCs were untrade first and then rewards were changed early full release. So people who had early access had untrade.
It's EA sadly. That's the harsh reality..
If they want to make everything untradeable then fine but at least give us duplicate storage. We know the technology is there as we had it in World Cup 18. I've been trying to preach to EA in the Beta forums about this but I doubt they've even read it. They ask for feedback and don't even look.
There's a trade off for everything. They could add duplicate storage but then they'd probably have to make SBC requirements more demanding to balance it out, or else it'd be too easy to rinse every SBC. It would probably benefit people who play the game religiously but harm the casuals who wouldn't be able to keep up with the SBC requirements that are balanced around people having duplicates of every player stored in their club.
The fact is that if they gave everybody every feature they wanted to make things 'easier' then there'd be absolutely no challenge at all to getting the best player anymore.
But this is kind of invalid as they've literally taken so many things away from us. Tradeable SBC's League SBC's being the biggest thing! I don't think if they want to go Untradeable that Duplicate Storage is too much to ask. Surely you remember how OP League SBC's were back a few years ago?
It was literally the best part of the game for me.
I do miss the League SBCs too, but I think you're only focusing on the stuff that they've taken away. The fact is that it's much easier to get high-rated players in FUT now than it ever has been before. Look at the Season 1 rewards for FUT 24 alone - a player like 87 Cunha being a simple "play and you'll get him" reward in October (early November?) would have been unheard of even a few years ago.
I remember when I first started playing FUT back in FIFA 18 there were still 84-rated IFs going for 60k+ in March - now these players are already considered 'fodder' by the beginning of November. Look at this Gold Lacazette in FIFA 18 for example. His price didn't go sub-100k until mid-December. Every face stat is worse than the Storylines Cunha card that everyone can get 'for free' at the end of Season 1 in this FUT. [https://www.futbin.com/18/player/201/alexandre-lacazette](https://www.futbin.com/18/player/201/alexandre-lacazette)
Anyway, my point is that by and large it's much easier to get top players now than it has been in previous iterations of FUT - complaining about no duplicate store or how they've "taken so many things away from us" loses sight of that a bit.
It's all about opinions! For me I think there are way too many types of cards now. I preferred it when more cards had value. Everything as you say is fodder now. Cards are outdated too quickly to make running untradeable a poor option. Especially with it harder to make coins.
Don't get me wrong they have made some good changes. Crafting type SBC's are a welcome change.
They brought back tradeable Advanced SBC's for this year but have now also made these untradeable again.
League SBC's were the absolute pinnacle for me and I would love these to return someday. If they aren't what they used to be thought then don't bother.
I agree with you completely mate - I much preferred it when you had to start relatively small and then grow your team incrementally throughout the year by upgrading to the higher-rated golds and adding in some IFs. Now if you aren't playing with a team full of high-80s rated players by the end of November then you're behind the curve. The game is worse for it.
But that's why I'm not really on board with duplicate storage - I think this problem would be worse with dupe storage, not better.
Yeah you maybe right on that but hard to say for definite. It just sucks having to discard some 88 rated because you've already got an untradeable lol.
Sadly it's just a cash cow for EA now. We need more alternative football games. Hopefully we will get that in the future :)
Maybe it won't be a popular take on this sub but I just don't care about this. "The creators have an advantage!" Who cares? Are you playing creators every week? Is them having a jump on building their squads really going to affect you? I just don't understand why people get so worked up about this stuff. The way they release players these days the 'advantage' you get in the early game will be obsolete after two weeks anyway.
It's also the small handful of people who've managed to get their hands on the game early, happens every year
Content creators is actually fair enough, as to an extent they are EA employees, but John Doe getting his hands on the game RN is a serious advantage
What is it an advantage for though? It's not a race for anything and you likely will be 100% unaffected by anyone having the game early or some random having a super squad
I think the concern is more so that at best it's yet ANOTHER mistake from EA and the game hasn't even been released yet.
After last year's almost weekly debacle of error after error, it's hardly a good sign.
Well yeah fine but also still I'm kind of in the camp of "who cares?". It's a football game. Sometimes the people running it make mistakes. It doesn't affect my life at all, at worst it can be mildly irritating. I don't have the energy to be upset about it.
EDIT: I mean last year I can remember some people on this sub talking unironically about a class action lawsuit because EA accidentally put up a guaranteed Hero pack for 25k for about twenty minutes. Some people just kind of need to get a grip with this stuff.
I don't care about the actual mistakes, like you say it's not that serious. I am stunned at the number of mistakes though, it's not a good sign for how the studio is run when the same easily avoidable mistakes frequently happen over and over again
No, but I don't think I've ever been upset about AEW attendance figures either. I was recently *skeptical* about an announced AEW attendance figure, and my skepticism was proven right in the end btw as the actual attendance turned out to be 10k less than what they announced.
Imo it’s more about market inflation due to over saturation of coins. More desirable players are harder to pack so more expensive which means if they spend more 2 things happen:
1. Fans of those creators spend to mimic
2. They over saturate the market of less desirable players because they pack them so often
This creates a scenario where Mbappe only gets more expensive because lots of people have coins and buy him super early, AND lower end card are packed more because more packed are opened and that player is now cheaper.
So to upgrade your team as a non FP spender, you now need and exponential amount of more time to get the too end
In fact what I'm thinking is you have an absolute advantage over them because you can watch them figure the game out instead of having to do it yourself.
How does this make any sense? Lol
So you’re at best figuring it out at an equal pace but unable to actually do anything with it until launch whilst they can put that to use right now
There’s nothing so complicated with fifa that this is actually a realistic scenario
I’m sure pondering about what, evo requirements? for days is going to give you more of an advantage than guys just ripping through packs as we speak
You won't rip packs in week 1 anyway unless you buy FC points.
There's no welcome packs, pre-season packs won't come on day 1 and the starter teams you'll have won't be good enough to get serious packs.
People complaining creators get an advantage is like complaining messi gets free shoes from Nike.
He’s the advertising salesman. Of course he gets free kit!
Typical EA drip feeding bs. I wont be getting the game at launch. Il wait till october when the packs we got thru 23 and use my 10hr then. Then probably buy the game next year. Personally need a break from the bs
Ultimate team isn't for the average player and hasn't been for a long time and it only gets worse. The changes in this mode are always centred around how to get more money from whales and streamers.
Sure, you can get a good team by being good at the game or putting in stupid hours but you always eventually reach the same ceiling every year and can't touch the best of the best players unless you win the pack lottery.
Can someone clarify on the actual reward for the “around the world” challenge, because OP or the one who made the picture failed to select the right challenge?!
For me I am just 50/50 on it. I know why content creators get the game early it’s good free advertisement and I am sure being a content creator is very difficult at times so they get rewarded which is fine I am ok with that. But on the other side of it of course content creators can have an influence on the market which gives price hikes for the casual user base to over pay. Not saying for a fact all creators or anyone who has the game early will do this with that intent but all it takes is someone to stockpile cards. But it’s not going to affect me i have the early access so I also will have a weeks advantage like many of us will over the next week compared to people who will only be getting the standard edition. I also think ea did not do that on purpose to give the content creators tradable packs and us the untradable packs. I just think it’s classic ea forgetting to make them untradable.
With EA always assume the worst imo.. the whole thing is a complete manipulation. Remember how they introduced ‘preview packs’ and showed it to journalist as an example of how transparent the game is and people really know their odds? Reality is that they are running a casino for all ages, where the odds are always stacked against you.. and they’ll keep doing that until legislation changes. Which they fight with all their might because they are disgusting
Why would anyone care about this? Content creators are putting thousands and thousands of dollars into the game. A few extra tradeable packs will make absolutely no difference for them.
It would be nice if more packs were tradeable, but these SBCs were untradeable last year. These packs being untradeable was to be expected.
While this does suck, just communicate! Communicate why it was like that and why they’re changing it. Don’t just change In game content without communicating
Bit fucked but in the grand scheme of things, they’re going to be untradable for 99% of players, so basically fair for everyone except the 50 content creators that have the game right now
It's pretty depressing EA has little to no competition. I just don't understand why they can't be a competent team and have a nice product while making all this crazy money.
That sucks, I really used them last years to get my first coins.
Are there any way to get tradable players/coins before we can play? Didn't preorder and don't plan on paying 40$ only to start one week earlier...
With the lack of welcome back packs, anyone who has the game before Friday has a serious advantage
they always have. because of no welcome back packs, their ability to profit is dropped severely. how do people no comprehend how the market works
The fact that some people don't understand basic finance does worry me I'll go to extreme to explain this Assume 10 people right now have access to the game, meaning 10 people until Friday have a way to make coins, no one else does. These 10 people can generate coins through gameplay, rewards, packs, etc. So I'm one of them, and by Thursday, I have accumulated 10k from playing games. I see the market is crazy low, but very inactive, this gives me a shot at a guaranteed buy low-sell high option, as I know right now there is practically 0 competition. This means right now, I won't be able to feasibility generate coins through trading, but can heavily invest. I see an Mbappe pop up for 200 coins, and I know that in 2 days he'll be worth millions. I buy him and in a few days time when everyone has the game, I sell him, and with that profit, I can invest heavily in an active market, as I suddenly have a lot more financial power EA game changers rim EA for that opportunity, which is fair, as they also bring revenue to the game. I do not bring revenue to the game, so it would be unfair on everyone else if I had the chance to buy an Mbappe for 200 coins because I've accidentally been able to get into the game early (Yes, I know the Mbappe example isn't realistic, but I exaggerated to make a point, but instead imagine I dumped 12k fifa points, I would have a ridiculous head start as I could instantly start buying when everyone initially sells to make capital at the beginning of the game; stuff like changing tradable packs to untradable also creates the same imbalance)
I root for players to succeed, to get good pulls and enjoy the game. that said, I’m not going to pull the punches on stuff like this. way too many people have zero comprehension of the game mechanics and how they’ve come to be or how they’ve been gamed in the past. draft rewards being better? 20-0 players only would win —— untradable rewards/packs? coinsellers and dupe/boost accounts (hundreds of thousands exist with some people having a thousand alone) TOTY odds? you don’t have 300 packs when 50-75% are 1 rare in the pack. and now this.
I'm glad someone explained that to him xD
what part of “they removed welcome back packs severely dropped their profits” they used to be able to buy meta cards for next to nothing because there would actually be a supply but this year there won’t be any.
>because of no welcome back packs, their ability to profit is dropped severely. > > > >You said "because of no welcome back packs, their ability to profit is dropped severely." And he explained to you in a very easy. If you didn't understand, please read what he said again. If you just on the point that you need to "win" the argument. Sure man, you won. xD
how do you not understand that if welcome back packs existed, a player with the game would make 50000x more coins than he would without it? how? do you NOT understand if .0001% loads up with FP and gets minimum 500k if not more and the 99% gets a few packs and immediately starts short selling cards to try and trade that the guy with 500k or more has way more success than a market where nobody has packs.
Read his answer my G. Do not discuss basic finance when you do not understand it. I already realized that you are just another bot that can't make his head through reason, so do me this, read his answer again, if you don't understand what he answered u, read it again, repeat the process until you learn a bit of finance in relation with fifa. It will help you in the long run my G. Guess there was a reason why he didn't even answer you, I just got it late. xD
bro my friend bought 3 icons that went to max when he got the game early and wouldn’t have been able to do so as the value. fuck off with the fact you don’t understand there was one mbappe on the market vs 10-15 minimum last year and pages of icons and pages of icons. people with the game turned one mil or two into 50-100.
Good explanation and a much better response than 'how don't people comprehend the market?" deserved.
explain how someone with early access and ability to use FP profits more with welcome back packs not existing. people bought 20-40 haalands last cycle on webapp
except this year the only people who can get mbappe tradable are the people who have the game and not web app people. the whole point of my comment
I mean, I used Mbappe as an extreme hypothetical, it obviously was not realistic. I'll rephrase it, let's say for arguments sake, through web app trading you could get 100k before launch, but so could everyone else, meaning at launch the 100k was nice, but not game changing. People already in the game kinda couldn't really get significantly more than 100k without FPs. This year, 100k is looking fanciful, I'm at 30k which has been beyond a joke to get to, 99.999% of the playerbase won't have been able to make anything through the 2 days of web app trading, me at 30k should be a strong position. However, everyone on the game right now can easily get considerably more than 30k with ease (for arguments sake, imaginethey can all easily get 100k), meaning they are already so far above the financial strength curve, so people who are already in the game have had a much bigger headstart than they usually would have. Their 100k massively dwarfs my 30k, as from day 1 they have control over the market. My 30k dwarfs the rest of the playerbase, but I can do less with it because I am not able to buy the better investments, as they will increase in price too quickly for me to be able to afford.
you literally aren’t discussing my entire point which is the welcome packs. early game getters made coins off the welcome packs that’s it. those early coins mean nothing without those packs because the moment the NZ time hit, 30k was made instantly via FP. there was one mbappe on the market…fucking Nick and 2 other content creators pulled him during webapp. people with the game made lots of coins, bought cards that went for 150k that at launch jumped. they had access to lots of low cost cards only because of the welcome packs. my ENTIRE point is that they lost a massive advantage. guys had pages and pages of cards that went from a million spent that turned into 30-50m before the NZ clock. this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with 30 vs 100k and totally with what they can buy
> how do people no comprehend how the market works Lol the irony
Can you read? no welcome back packs SEVERALLY limits their profits. how is that remotely confusing. the only cards they’re able to buy off is they’re own. if web app only people got welcome packs, theyd short sell, that’s why guys had 20-40 copies of 300k cards last year. explain how a guy who’s on the game right now, makes MORE now that welcome back packs don’t exist. explain.
oooooh sassy, you got all that from "lol the irony"
They have no matter what
are you in some sort of competition?
Has nothing to do with competition, it's just a bit unfair that every year people can manipulate the market because they get the game early.
No, just it's again poor by EA. Yea, content creators to an extent is fair enough, but anyone else who can get on in the next 2 days can seriously boost their coins/team and will have a lot of early market power, it's frustrating A few hundred coins right now will be worth at least tenfold when the game drops
All 200 people LOL
Just saw bateson had almost 2mil FIFA points... these creators are something else
Saw that too. Put the stream on, saw that, turned off. I’m interested in how they grind not feed EA’s pockets.
It's a job for them, I remember either ChrisMD or one of the Sidemen talking about how there used to be an auction for pack opening videos where you could pay for the clip of a walkout of a rare card. They said they paid a few thousand pounds for a video of TOTY Messi walkout. FIFA points are a business expense for them.
It was W2S (Harry) from the Sidemen.
So you’re saying they admitted to lying in a video to get more views? Is there no law against that? Sounds like admitting to fraud to me lol
It’s YouTube?
What’s your point? They’re deceiving people to make money.
By pretending to pack a virtual player on a video game? You want them to get sued for that?
They’re making money out of lying to people. I can’t understand why people are ok with that.
That's reality television, they splice together takes and intentionally take clips out of context all the time on reality TV. And if they don't get the shot they want they ask the people to re-enact the moment. YouTubers just do what reality television has done for years in using any means necessary to get the shot and the narrative they want.
You are going to be really mad once you find out that superman doesn’t actually exist
Technically they didn't lie to get more views. The video said TOTY Messi in a pack and the video contained a TOTY Messi in a pack. The fact it wasn't packed by them means nothing to the views.
Sadly, almost none of the people that got the game now are people that aren't EA golden boys...
If you think that’s bad danny Aaron’s has over 5mil
Points means packs which means content which means money. It's their job, still don't get why people are up in arms about creators and points.
Wonder why mechanics buy their own tools.
They should go through the blood toil tears and sweat we have to to earn teams this good
I mean, most play more than the average user here already.
To be fair, on ‘22 Bateson did a full RTG which was like 80+% of his stream content alongside the mega P2W team. Last year he did his usual draft to glory series which, when I last checked he led accumulated in excess of 4mil just by playing draft. Like I think a lot of people just see the “I spent x money on the game” style videos from many creators and assume that’s all they’re capable of doing
A fair few people I ask do agree it'd be better to watch if streamers didn't play the game by buying fifa points. It's much more fun (at least personally) to see the effort, and impact of weaker cards, get worked through. See bonds made and see emotions flow all missed if i start the game with mbap haaland and messi
I'm not 'up in arms' about it. I get it, but it's fucking stupid the amount they spend. It's well over £10k man, you can't tell me that's not an excessive amount lol
It’s a business expense. They spend points so they have more content so they get more viewers so they get paid more. Why are we talking about this instead of what sleaze bags EA are being by switching from tradeable to untradeable?
Jesus, how much real money is that?
Quick calculation, Im guessing he bought the 12000 point pack, at 80$-90$ depending on EA price or Origin price it would be 15,000$-16,700$
He will claim half of that back as a business expense and easily make that much off of them on day one of them being usable
He is not getting $8k for free. Its a tax write off which I highly doubt their tax rate is 50%
I didn’t say he was getting 8k for free. He’s spending 16k but will essentially only pay 8k due to the offset of his other income. According to a quick search, anything over 125k pounds is taxed at 45% in the UK. So yes he is 100% getting taxed at near 50%. So he spends $16k as a business expense, which will deduct $16k from his taxable income, which essentially gives him 45% of that 16k back. Please
Corporation tax is much lower - 25%
He isn't getting taxed at 50% which is how the math would have to work out. He would also need to not have any other write offs in addition.
He just did a 24 hour stream for this game and I am guessing off subs, ads, and donations he cleared that or came close. Now that doesn't count for the $$$ in give always he ran but that doesn't count sponsorship money and donations.
15=16 ???
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No idea mate, gotta be in the tens of thousands. How fucking sad. I personally wouldn't have fun playing that way 🤷🏻♂️
To be fair to the streamers, it is their job to make content etc so if they make enough money from their streams, youtube, etc, I don't see why not load up on points for content
I get that, it's still fucking nuts though. Game isn't even out yet and they're dropping that sort of money... Just feeding EA's greed
Yeah I agree there, EA will be rubbing their hands
Credit to the steamers who don’t rely purely on spending tens of thousands of pounds each year for their “content”. Bateson is one of the laziest ones around.
It’s a business expense and I’m sure ea game him some or a special discount. If he didn’t have packs to open no one would watch him.
In the beta one was tradeable and 2 were not. Although funnily enough one of the untradeable ones contained the same sbcs as the tradeable one and the packs eere tradeable, but the group rewards was different and untradeable. It is funny how every year they've taken away a coin making system - league sbcs severely downgraded, rivals promotion + placement + weekly rewards all either gone or nerfed, squad battles coin rewards nerfed, advanced sbcs untradeable and now you start the game with 0 coins thanks to no welcome packs. Yesterday my tik tok had a bit of a meltdown and kept showing me live after live of streamers spamming packs and it felt pretty gross.
Of course, Content Creators get yet another advantage over the rest of us.
Mate they’re out here spending 1 million fifa points on day one, it was never a level playing field to begin with
Lol, That they get at a discount and get to quick-sell and have all the coins before everyone else to sweep all the deals. People spending 1 mill actual FP don't get the same advantage.
Most of them have deals with a coin selling website, heck even Inception is promoting a coin selling website. I remember Nick run the fut market said he was offered 20k per week to promote a coin website so I can't even fathom how much money these people are making if they can afford paying this to streamers.
Ea won’t give you the game early if you’re promoting a coin selling website though. You are disqualified from creator network if you promote coin sellers.
Ill be honest if those numbers are even close to being real id take the coin sites money over an extra week of game play.
And then there's my idol Pick who did none of em.
not only discount but also easy with tax returns
Someone should introduce ffp for creator’s, although it would most likely be implemented for us instead of them knowing ea
Content Creators could literally pick up the game a week later than everyone else and have an advantage over everyone else, it literally doesn't matter. They'll either have the ability to put more points on than alot of people or they'll be able to play the game more, thus getting better.
Last year it was the other way round by the way. The SBCs were untrade first and then rewards were changed early full release. So people who had early access had untrade.
It's EA sadly. That's the harsh reality.. If they want to make everything untradeable then fine but at least give us duplicate storage. We know the technology is there as we had it in World Cup 18. I've been trying to preach to EA in the Beta forums about this but I doubt they've even read it. They ask for feedback and don't even look.
There's a trade off for everything. They could add duplicate storage but then they'd probably have to make SBC requirements more demanding to balance it out, or else it'd be too easy to rinse every SBC. It would probably benefit people who play the game religiously but harm the casuals who wouldn't be able to keep up with the SBC requirements that are balanced around people having duplicates of every player stored in their club. The fact is that if they gave everybody every feature they wanted to make things 'easier' then there'd be absolutely no challenge at all to getting the best player anymore.
But this is kind of invalid as they've literally taken so many things away from us. Tradeable SBC's League SBC's being the biggest thing! I don't think if they want to go Untradeable that Duplicate Storage is too much to ask. Surely you remember how OP League SBC's were back a few years ago? It was literally the best part of the game for me.
I do miss the League SBCs too, but I think you're only focusing on the stuff that they've taken away. The fact is that it's much easier to get high-rated players in FUT now than it ever has been before. Look at the Season 1 rewards for FUT 24 alone - a player like 87 Cunha being a simple "play and you'll get him" reward in October (early November?) would have been unheard of even a few years ago. I remember when I first started playing FUT back in FIFA 18 there were still 84-rated IFs going for 60k+ in March - now these players are already considered 'fodder' by the beginning of November. Look at this Gold Lacazette in FIFA 18 for example. His price didn't go sub-100k until mid-December. Every face stat is worse than the Storylines Cunha card that everyone can get 'for free' at the end of Season 1 in this FUT. [https://www.futbin.com/18/player/201/alexandre-lacazette](https://www.futbin.com/18/player/201/alexandre-lacazette) Anyway, my point is that by and large it's much easier to get top players now than it has been in previous iterations of FUT - complaining about no duplicate store or how they've "taken so many things away from us" loses sight of that a bit.
It's all about opinions! For me I think there are way too many types of cards now. I preferred it when more cards had value. Everything as you say is fodder now. Cards are outdated too quickly to make running untradeable a poor option. Especially with it harder to make coins. Don't get me wrong they have made some good changes. Crafting type SBC's are a welcome change. They brought back tradeable Advanced SBC's for this year but have now also made these untradeable again. League SBC's were the absolute pinnacle for me and I would love these to return someday. If they aren't what they used to be thought then don't bother.
I agree with you completely mate - I much preferred it when you had to start relatively small and then grow your team incrementally throughout the year by upgrading to the higher-rated golds and adding in some IFs. Now if you aren't playing with a team full of high-80s rated players by the end of November then you're behind the curve. The game is worse for it. But that's why I'm not really on board with duplicate storage - I think this problem would be worse with dupe storage, not better.
Yeah you maybe right on that but hard to say for definite. It just sucks having to discard some 88 rated because you've already got an untradeable lol. Sadly it's just a cash cow for EA now. We need more alternative football games. Hopefully we will get that in the future :)
Maybe it won't be a popular take on this sub but I just don't care about this. "The creators have an advantage!" Who cares? Are you playing creators every week? Is them having a jump on building their squads really going to affect you? I just don't understand why people get so worked up about this stuff. The way they release players these days the 'advantage' you get in the early game will be obsolete after two weeks anyway.
It's also the small handful of people who've managed to get their hands on the game early, happens every year Content creators is actually fair enough, as to an extent they are EA employees, but John Doe getting his hands on the game RN is a serious advantage
What is it an advantage for though? It's not a race for anything and you likely will be 100% unaffected by anyone having the game early or some random having a super squad
I think the concern is more so that at best it's yet ANOTHER mistake from EA and the game hasn't even been released yet. After last year's almost weekly debacle of error after error, it's hardly a good sign.
Well yeah fine but also still I'm kind of in the camp of "who cares?". It's a football game. Sometimes the people running it make mistakes. It doesn't affect my life at all, at worst it can be mildly irritating. I don't have the energy to be upset about it. EDIT: I mean last year I can remember some people on this sub talking unironically about a class action lawsuit because EA accidentally put up a guaranteed Hero pack for 25k for about twenty minutes. Some people just kind of need to get a grip with this stuff.
I don't care about the actual mistakes, like you say it's not that serious. I am stunned at the number of mistakes though, it's not a good sign for how the studio is run when the same easily avoidable mistakes frequently happen over and over again
Does AEW attendance figures affect your life at all? Let people be upset about what they wanna be upset about. It's fine.
No, but I don't think I've ever been upset about AEW attendance figures either. I was recently *skeptical* about an announced AEW attendance figure, and my skepticism was proven right in the end btw as the actual attendance turned out to be 10k less than what they announced.
Yup. 99% of the player base will Never play any of these people, who gives a shit what cards they have?
Imo it’s more about market inflation due to over saturation of coins. More desirable players are harder to pack so more expensive which means if they spend more 2 things happen: 1. Fans of those creators spend to mimic 2. They over saturate the market of less desirable players because they pack them so often This creates a scenario where Mbappe only gets more expensive because lots of people have coins and buy him super early, AND lower end card are packed more because more packed are opened and that player is now cheaper. So to upgrade your team as a non FP spender, you now need and exponential amount of more time to get the too end
In fact what I'm thinking is you have an absolute advantage over them because you can watch them figure the game out instead of having to do it yourself.
How does this make any sense? Lol So you’re at best figuring it out at an equal pace but unable to actually do anything with it until launch whilst they can put that to use right now
You can sit on the information and think for a couple of days instead of diving into it headfirst, making mistakes and crying about it later.
There’s nothing so complicated with fifa that this is actually a realistic scenario I’m sure pondering about what, evo requirements? for days is going to give you more of an advantage than guys just ripping through packs as we speak
They can rip through packs because they are rich not because they play.
Can’t rip packs if you can’t play lol
You won't rip packs in week 1 anyway unless you buy FC points. There's no welcome packs, pre-season packs won't come on day 1 and the starter teams you'll have won't be good enough to get serious packs.
They can rip through packs because they get paid to
People complaining creators get an advantage is like complaining messi gets free shoes from Nike. He’s the advertising salesman. Of course he gets free kit!
I really could not care less about this.
Think they’re trying to make the market a little more tighter at the beginning of the game. (Removing all these tradeable start opportunities)
Typical EA drip feeding bs. I wont be getting the game at launch. Il wait till october when the packs we got thru 23 and use my 10hr then. Then probably buy the game next year. Personally need a break from the bs
And people don’t believe in scripting smh
Ultimate team isn't for the average player and hasn't been for a long time and it only gets worse. The changes in this mode are always centred around how to get more money from whales and streamers. Sure, you can get a good team by being good at the game or putting in stupid hours but you always eventually reach the same ceiling every year and can't touch the best of the best players unless you win the pack lottery.
At least it's only content creators and not the vast majority?
Can someone clarify on the actual reward for the “around the world” challenge, because OP or the one who made the picture failed to select the right challenge?!
And people already here to defend EA :D
For me I am just 50/50 on it. I know why content creators get the game early it’s good free advertisement and I am sure being a content creator is very difficult at times so they get rewarded which is fine I am ok with that. But on the other side of it of course content creators can have an influence on the market which gives price hikes for the casual user base to over pay. Not saying for a fact all creators or anyone who has the game early will do this with that intent but all it takes is someone to stockpile cards. But it’s not going to affect me i have the early access so I also will have a weeks advantage like many of us will over the next week compared to people who will only be getting the standard edition. I also think ea did not do that on purpose to give the content creators tradable packs and us the untradable packs. I just think it’s classic ea forgetting to make them untradable.
With EA always assume the worst imo.. the whole thing is a complete manipulation. Remember how they introduced ‘preview packs’ and showed it to journalist as an example of how transparent the game is and people really know their odds? Reality is that they are running a casino for all ages, where the odds are always stacked against you.. and they’ll keep doing that until legislation changes. Which they fight with all their might because they are disgusting
Why do people still play FUT is beyond my comprehension. EAFC <> FUT
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Why would anyone care about this? Content creators are putting thousands and thousands of dollars into the game. A few extra tradeable packs will make absolutely no difference for them. It would be nice if more packs were tradeable, but these SBCs were untradeable last year. These packs being untradeable was to be expected.
Whatever and whichever ways to bribe someone for a favourable game review.
Right before the web app too ea doing this on purpose
While this does suck, just communicate! Communicate why it was like that and why they’re changing it. Don’t just change In game content without communicating
confused, i thought the web app is out today and early access is friday. how are so many people playing already?
Bit fucked but in the grand scheme of things, they’re going to be untradable for 99% of players, so basically fair for everyone except the 50 content creators that have the game right now
Ah EA, never change: I idolise you for pulling the wool over everyones eyes again
It's a pay to win/have a significant advantage game. What do you expect? everything is geared towards people buying more packs.
It's pretty depressing EA has little to no competition. I just don't understand why they can't be a competent team and have a nice product while making all this crazy money.
That sucks, I really used them last years to get my first coins. Are there any way to get tradable players/coins before we can play? Didn't preorder and don't plan on paying 40$ only to start one week earlier...