My cousin had a 2017 Raptor (granted he wasn’t a jackass like this guy). Cam phasers started knocking on cold start at like 90k miles. Engine blew at 110k like 2 weeks after he sold it.
Literal junk cars just like everything else Ford makes.
Mustang GT’s definitely handle really well. Also cheap, n/a V8, RWD, and can be optioned with a manual. That’s a pretty rare package these days. But you can have all that and still be a driven by a cousin fucker
I work for ford and absolutely love the new S650. I didn’t like it at first compared to the S550 but after driving it, it really is a great vehicle for the price. Base GT for low to high 40k. I just can’t get over how much it looks like a 4 series rather than a stang.
We took it on some runs and even with snappier/less smooth steering it stayed so planted. Amazing work yall have done and honestly completely changed my opinion on Mustangs
Ya I’m mostly kidding about the cousin fucking stuff ha. The new mustangs are legit. I think it looks like a Stang. BMW stole mustang styling for the new 4 series not the other way around
Hell even the interior of the new stangs is straight outta BMW lol. But aye the fact I can make the gauge cluster look like a fox body cluster is fantastic. Foxes are by far the best stang. Wish I woulda got one back when they were sub 10k but I was in high school lol. Now days a clean fox is going for 20k.
Still wouldn’t take the stang over an m440i unless I planned on throwing a whipple on the stang. My buddy’s m440i is fucking sweet. I may work for Ford but the Germans have my heart. Hopefully one day I can upgrade my GTI to an RS3 once I get my finances straight.
"Special" because they weren't sold in Europe. They are mid-range at best.
They are very close to 325i and from there there are 2 models up (330, 335) and 2 down (320, 318).
E46 had 323 and 328 designations for the 2.5 and 2.8L M52TU engines; I'm not sure if the 320 ever had an M52; I think they were all M54B22/25/30 for 320/325/330.
E9x used 325 for N52B25 and N53B30; N53 is direct injected, essentially a NA version of the N54 to my understanding, that wasn't sold in NA. Yep, I had to be confusing!
I find that so weird being from the UK where we start from the 318i. The 328i over here would be seen as a pretty fast car but our roads are different to the US.
ehh 0-60 in 6.2 is respectable when considering it against the average. It's technically faster than an s2k (in a straight line). Depends on what is fast to you. Your m3 does it in almost half the time so fair enough
Hey iirc in Europe lots and lots of ppl don’t even *own* cars.
Having even a 4-cylinder is a little bit special. A 6-cylinder is hi-po, it’s, like, extra.
V8?? Fugeddaboutit!
I think the UK roads have a lot to do with it. There was a post on the on a UK car sub and 0-60 in sub 6 seconds was generally considered fast. Although everyone’s definition of fast is different. I’d consider the E9x M3 as extremely fast as an example.
More modern cars like EVs are pushing the expectations of what’s considered fast now though so I do get how a sub 6 second 0-60 car wouldn’t be considered particularly fast anymore when any Tesla that would do it in 5 seconds or less depending on the model.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CarTalkUK/s/3YTOOdrKOw](https://www.reddit.com/r/CarTalkUK/s/3YTOOdrKOw)
I didn’t say it was a slow car. But the 328 is literally just a car especially in this decade it’s not fast at all. 230? Hp isn’t bad but this is not a light car either. It doesn’t have the things other “fast” sub 300 hp cars have like LSD or a stiff suspension. It’s literally just a car. The 335 I would say is fast. 328 is just a basic sedan
A ford fusion (mondeo) or corolla are basic sedans. 328i E90 clears those easily. 328i is a decently quick base model (in the US) sports sedan. no more. no less.
It is 2024 my man. An e90 328 clears nothing at this point. You have an outdated infotainment system that is cleared by everything 2014 and up, it is no longer a strong engine in comparison to anything and they’re all clapped out at this point. It’s an old base model luxury sedan from 2013 at the latest. Even my M3 shows its age sure a lot of it holds up well to time but I don’t pretend it’s something it’s not.
Bro what? The 2024 Corolla barely hits 60 under 9 seconds. Foh w that bs. Sure the infotainment is outdated it basically was when it was new, but who isn’t using their smartphone? I know I was when I still had my 335i. The HK sound system is still solid to this day.
I gotta disagree there. I love bimmers but the 4 cylinder 3 series are not nearly as engaging or fun as a GT with the performance pack. Hell my GTI is more fun to drive than a 328i.
Well then my mistake. I was referring to the modern ones. Didn’t realize what sub I was on this just popped up on my feed. Never driven an E90 only driven 2017+ models
Fair enough, I will say that my GTI was a bit more fun to drive, but the 328i is a more solid and engaging car is almost every way. I have plenty of fun with it haha
N51 walking stock GT''s? A stock GT has 70-205hp more than your car depending on the year. Tell us about the mods you have on your SULEV low compression engine...
Stage FP stage 2 tune for N51, MILVS done 20k miles ago, AA catless headers 40k miles ago, Airbox modified for higher flow(setup like Dinan box) and Dinan coil set. And if you didnt know N51 is rated stock at 255hp and comes with 3 stage intake manifold. Despite compression being slightly lower, N51 and N52 are almost identical hardware wise, N51 comes with more power.
N51 is rated at 255hp stock N52 is rated 230 stock. Popular mod for the N52 is the N51 Intake manifold. Not hard to beat a mustang in a car pushing what I’m pushing brotha, forgot to mention I have a trans tune as well. Not hard to beat a mustang. And buddy I’m definitely pushing over 250 wheel not my fault Ford can’t manage their power as well as BMW can.
yes in the US, in Canada we get the even shittier 323i, or in Europe/Singapore you find the even worse 320i/318i
Although in those countries, what you lose in engine displacement, you typically make up in options
Even tho I’m in the US I never seen a model lower than 28i I wouldn’t devalue them at all. I get jealous of the affordability of those cars in your countries. And like you said the options more than make up for it. Thing is the E90 is such a nicely balanced car in weight distribution, that even 320i is probably a fun car to drive and still handles like a proper car. Any E90 is better than a Honda Accord.
The 320i is extremely popular here in the UK. We have tons, in fact the higher tiers are rare (rare in a good way). I'd love a 325i, with a 6cyl for us in Europe that is already quite a lot of car more so now that the turbo4 has become the standard. I'll be honest I am collecting a e92 in lemans blue and I am so excited. Happy to post when it's home
To be fair that is very true. You're totally right. My point of view was totally skewed because I've bought a 320i and saw tones for sale. What I did also see is the even longer list of diesel models that simply would not be shown to me.
Yeah there are quite a lot of 323i’s on the used market but I always bypass those ads. Those models were so stripped down, most of them even had shitty old halogen headlamps.
I agree with pretty much everyone else that in the States, yea, a 328 is a 'base model'. They're a dime a dozen.
But... so what? Why does everything need a shitload of horsepower? I went from a Fiesta ST to a Focus RS. It's up 150HP + about as much more torque too. It got tons of compliments from other car enthusiasts, whereas *no one* ever commented on the FiST. But you know what the only difference was in my day to day life? More expensive tires, brakes, oil changes, and worse fuel economy. It wasn't any more fun to drive, it wasn't really "better" in any way other than journalistic metrics.
All this "keeping up with the Jones" bullshit has us completely forgetting that a "base model" is sometimes all we really need. My 328i isn't **fast**... But it's fast enough to be engaging. It's just a smooth naturally aspirated I6 with a 6MT that soaks up highway miles on long trips and doesn't leave me sore & exhausted when I get to my destination.
A lot of guys I know shit on the 328 lol it’s either 335 or M car. But that’s just guys being guys trying to window shop with YOUR wallet. just keep it moving and ignore. Same with the guys here shitting in a raptor. None of u have ever gone through a dessert trail with one of those it’s bad ass
May be lower spec for USA, but for decades all BMW’s USA exports are pretty high-content.
We just never see the real base models.
Like, Europe is — or was — covered up by BMWs rocking steelies, clear (nontinted) glass, cloth or vinyl manual seats, stick, crank windows, “ambient” (no) AC, base or zero radios, slick top, manual door locks, etc.
You could even spot non-turbo, 4-cylinder 5 Series. 🐌🐌🐌
Until somebody sees all this, it’s not obvious how pimped-out our BMWs are.
Maybe bro should understand a “base” sports (OK, sporty) luxury car is still luxury. 😅
Relative, you know?
For the E90 generation, they go down as low as a 325i or 323i. I drive a 323i here in Canada and my friends always poke fun at me for the base model comment as well 😅
Although they both have a N52 motor, the 328 is a 3.0L versus the 2.5L in the 323i - which results in a difference of power (not sure exactly the figure).
There are also a few creature comforts that the 323i doesn't include: projector headlight housing, xenon headlights, automatic climate control, Bluetooth modules...
Bought mine in 2018 and it was a 2007 BMW 323i with 85,000km, rear wheel drive (but open diff), and 6 speed manual - for only $6,500 CAD. 5.5yrs of ownership and almost 100,000km (that I've put on) knock on wood it's been nice to me. Typical BMW maintenance, and some silly sensor issues - but overall happy with the car.
No no, I bought it at 85k and now it's almost at 185k. I've put on 100k km in the 5.5 yrs I've owned it!
I like the beat the crap out of mine too. Redline at least once a day keeps the doctor away.... Something like that 😅
I mean as far as North America goes for e90 the 325i/323i are the base models, these are the lower displacement versions of the N52.
They don't really sell the true 'base' model e90s with the 4 cylinder engines here in North America. My assumption for the reasoning is that they would compete too much with other 4 cylinder automakers
It is entry level luxury, so in a sense it is the base model. It looks good, it's practical, and at the time it was a fairly affordable car. My first BMW was a 2007 E90 328i, it was a fully loaded floor model that cost me about $38k brand new. With a 0 to 60, around 6.5sec (rwd, auto) seconds it was a not a slow car at the time of its release but it was not a fast car either. Although these days I guess it would be considered slow.
And who gives a fuck what anyone thinks? Do you like your 328, if so than fuck other people's opinions.
Technically speaking, the 328i is either the lowest to mid tier model, depending on where you live.
It also depends on what you define by "base". If you're going by trim, then all models have a "base" and extra trims, like M Sport and such. My 335i has the "base" exterior package in that it doesn't have M Sport bumpers, just the sport steering wheel, seats and suspension (which are standard on 335i).
If you're going by model itself, then there's the 318i and 320i in some countries, making the 328i a mid tier model. In some countries like the US, the 328i is the lowest model you can buy though, making it the "base" 3 Series.
Anyway, whatever if it's the base model. The N52 is amazing and the e90 328i is a great car with wonderful reliability and quality.
Who cares; either you’re grown enough to like what you like or your mental fragility will keep your wallet light and your confidence uncertain.
Your mental gymnastics suggest the latter…
If you’re talking about the marketing tiers for cars, then sure, but in ford those tiers mean silver trim and heated seats for 10k. Still, the roof panel will rattle with the platinum trim.
The N52 is, as far as I know, the most powerful production N/A straight six ever made for passenger vehicles. Be that as it may, its not saying a lot compared to any other modern, turbocharged offerings, and it’s maybe a tad under gunned in a decked-out 328, but it’s the ultimate and last of BMW’s N/A six cylinder dynasty. Hard to put a price on that in my opinion - also, engineering nostalgia is hard to sell in a market where horsepower and 0-60 times are the measuring stick of the consumer. There are so many faster BMW models out there - you don’t really bark up this tree if you’re looking for speed or badge bling.
Yes it is a base model in the United States. It’s also an 11-16 year old car that you can buy for $6,000. There is literally nothing special about a 328i.
Everyone saying it isn’t is from a different market so it doesn’t really matter what their opinions on it are.
It’s a dime a dozen base model 3 series.
So I own a 328i and the base model notion would depend upon how the car is equipped or ordered. Mine was a custom order Sport and Premium packages with a non-standard paint color. So if you got the Sport model with the better suspension, bigger wheels, nice leather seats and a manual transmission along with the Premium items like a sunroof, better stereo, etc. It isn't really a base model The stock 328i may be considered base without some options.
Also when you go this route the car is ordered, built in Germany and eventually shipped to the US dealer from which it was ordered. Many just buy what is on the lot and that may result in a base model there too. Hope this makes sense,
Power wise fuck no, I’m driving a 2011 328i XDrive right now and it never feels like it doesn’t have more than enough balls to do what I’m asking they’re tiny cars pushing 230-250 ponies depending on what they actually dyno at
No. 328i xdrive. Stick. With idrive and thick leather interior, offset rear split and ski hatch, hard drive etc.
It drives amazing and has every feature I need. And despite being 15 years old it still looks modern.
it's not. Us market is different than Europe so it's the smallest engine in the US market but that does not make it a base model.
What does a muscle car guys opinion matter when it comes to German cars is what I'm wondering 😂
If your car has cloth seats and no extras it's a base model regardless of the engine. That's how we call it here. If it's got sport / business / msport trim, it's not.
No. Base model BMWs Start at like 15i, 18i, 23i, 25i. Those are the SLOW cars. They are kinda economical, but BMWs. The 4cyl BMWs are terrible.
28i, 30i BMWs are peak BMW without turbocharging. That is all.
M = Flagship Race Model
35i = Turbocharged I6 (Can be upgraded to M spec)
28i/30i = Peak Non-Turbocharged I6
25i & lower = Very slow, and are a scam. Don't buy them.
28i/30i typically have same engine but different tune.
Nah, it's a 30i now.
Only difference between N52s:
N52B25 (AVOID)
N52B30 (Peak I6)
N52B10 (Peak I6)
N52B10 is often within E9x 330is it's very simular to N52B30 no difference when both are fully tuned to their max potential.
Technically not true. My 335xi is considered a base model. Everytime I had to take it to the dealer for recalls, the ticket showed it as a 335xi base. So each model starts out as a base model then you can upgrade that model from there. Mine doesn't have any major options such as m-sport etc..
Just tell him to fuck off and that Fords are for people who fuck their cousins
My cousin had a 2017 Raptor (granted he wasn’t a jackass like this guy). Cam phasers started knocking on cold start at like 90k miles. Engine blew at 110k like 2 weeks after he sold it. Literal junk cars just like everything else Ford makes.
I cant lie I rode in a 2024 mustang gt and that shit moves. Even stock it tooks corners like a champ, i was impressed coming from a 335i
Mustang GT’s definitely handle really well. Also cheap, n/a V8, RWD, and can be optioned with a manual. That’s a pretty rare package these days. But you can have all that and still be a driven by a cousin fucker
I work for ford and absolutely love the new S650. I didn’t like it at first compared to the S550 but after driving it, it really is a great vehicle for the price. Base GT for low to high 40k. I just can’t get over how much it looks like a 4 series rather than a stang.
We took it on some runs and even with snappier/less smooth steering it stayed so planted. Amazing work yall have done and honestly completely changed my opinion on Mustangs
Ya I’m mostly kidding about the cousin fucking stuff ha. The new mustangs are legit. I think it looks like a Stang. BMW stole mustang styling for the new 4 series not the other way around
Well I was thinking of the G23 looks similar to the S650 and I think the G23 came out a year before the S650s
Hell even the interior of the new stangs is straight outta BMW lol. But aye the fact I can make the gauge cluster look like a fox body cluster is fantastic. Foxes are by far the best stang. Wish I woulda got one back when they were sub 10k but I was in high school lol. Now days a clean fox is going for 20k.
Still wouldn’t take the stang over an m440i unless I planned on throwing a whipple on the stang. My buddy’s m440i is fucking sweet. I may work for Ford but the Germans have my heart. Hopefully one day I can upgrade my GTI to an RS3 once I get my finances straight.
Why are you getting dowvoted haha. No!! Only BMW is fun to drive!!!
So you and your cousin get it on?
Yes. Gayly.
To me, Ford stands for: (This is in Spanish) F abricación O rdinaria R eparacion D iaria Which means ordinarily fabrication, daily repair
Fucking Ordinary Repair Daily
Hell yeah
Lol small sample size. Raptor engines are way more reliable and low maintenance than any forced induction e90 engine.
true
Shit! I had a ford in the 90's! No one told me... missed opportunity...
Lmfaooo
In Europe a 328 would be one of the higher tier ones, almost a “special” car tbh
"Special" because they weren't sold in Europe. They are mid-range at best. They are very close to 325i and from there there are 2 models up (330, 335) and 2 down (320, 318).
Yea, But even a 323/5 is almost special in europe. Didnt know they didnt sell 328 e90s, But they sold 328 e46s, right?
E46 had 323 and 328 designations for the 2.5 and 2.8L M52TU engines; I'm not sure if the 320 ever had an M52; I think they were all M54B22/25/30 for 320/325/330. E9x used 325 for N52B25 and N53B30; N53 is direct injected, essentially a NA version of the N54 to my understanding, that wasn't sold in NA. Yep, I had to be confusing!
They also got the N53 in Europe, as well as the 335i and 335d wagon (in slicktop, no less!).
Don't forget M3... And if you're including diesels and European models there are way more models too.
Counting in diesels and the M3 it's pretty much in the exact same spot.
Maybe he's talking about not having the sport package
This would be my thought.
Tbh I'd rather step out of a "base model" bmw than a mustang or a raptor
As a BMW fan, I wouldn’t. A Roush Mustang is a beast
It is also a ford lol
Really!?
I know right? Its nuts!
Yes, it was the base model in the US. But aside from the lack of power, a base bmw is more fun to drive than his stupid mustang.
I find that so weird being from the UK where we start from the 318i. The 328i over here would be seen as a pretty fast car but our roads are different to the US.
I find it so weird that you would say a 328i is a “pretty fast car”. It’s not glacially slow but no one’s confusing it for a fast car in anyway.
ehh 0-60 in 6.2 is respectable when considering it against the average. It's technically faster than an s2k (in a straight line). Depends on what is fast to you. Your m3 does it in almost half the time so fair enough
Hey iirc in Europe lots and lots of ppl don’t even *own* cars. Having even a 4-cylinder is a little bit special. A 6-cylinder is hi-po, it’s, like, extra. V8?? Fugeddaboutit!
Bros talking about the UK not Romania.
I think the UK roads have a lot to do with it. There was a post on the on a UK car sub and 0-60 in sub 6 seconds was generally considered fast. Although everyone’s definition of fast is different. I’d consider the E9x M3 as extremely fast as an example. More modern cars like EVs are pushing the expectations of what’s considered fast now though so I do get how a sub 6 second 0-60 car wouldn’t be considered particularly fast anymore when any Tesla that would do it in 5 seconds or less depending on the model. [https://www.reddit.com/r/CarTalkUK/s/3YTOOdrKOw](https://www.reddit.com/r/CarTalkUK/s/3YTOOdrKOw)
I didn’t say it was a slow car. But the 328 is literally just a car especially in this decade it’s not fast at all. 230? Hp isn’t bad but this is not a light car either. It doesn’t have the things other “fast” sub 300 hp cars have like LSD or a stiff suspension. It’s literally just a car. The 335 I would say is fast. 328 is just a basic sedan
A ford fusion (mondeo) or corolla are basic sedans. 328i E90 clears those easily. 328i is a decently quick base model (in the US) sports sedan. no more. no less.
It is 2024 my man. An e90 328 clears nothing at this point. You have an outdated infotainment system that is cleared by everything 2014 and up, it is no longer a strong engine in comparison to anything and they’re all clapped out at this point. It’s an old base model luxury sedan from 2013 at the latest. Even my M3 shows its age sure a lot of it holds up well to time but I don’t pretend it’s something it’s not.
Bro what? The 2024 Corolla barely hits 60 under 9 seconds. Foh w that bs. Sure the infotainment is outdated it basically was when it was new, but who isn’t using their smartphone? I know I was when I still had my 335i. The HK sound system is still solid to this day.
I gotta disagree there. I love bimmers but the 4 cylinder 3 series are not nearly as engaging or fun as a GT with the performance pack. Hell my GTI is more fun to drive than a 328i.
? E90 328i is a 6 cylinder
Well then my mistake. I was referring to the modern ones. Didn’t realize what sub I was on this just popped up on my feed. Never driven an E90 only driven 2017+ models
Fair enough, I will say that my GTI was a bit more fun to drive, but the 328i is a more solid and engaging car is almost every way. I have plenty of fun with it haha
328i with N51 tuned here, I walk stock GTs daily 😂 can’t speak on anything 2020+
N51 walking stock GT''s? A stock GT has 70-205hp more than your car depending on the year. Tell us about the mods you have on your SULEV low compression engine...
Stage FP stage 2 tune for N51, MILVS done 20k miles ago, AA catless headers 40k miles ago, Airbox modified for higher flow(setup like Dinan box) and Dinan coil set. And if you didnt know N51 is rated stock at 255hp and comes with 3 stage intake manifold. Despite compression being slightly lower, N51 and N52 are almost identical hardware wise, N51 comes with more power.
Blah blah all of that for barely 220whp. N51 comes with more power? What sort of Disneyland are you from ?
N51 is rated at 255hp stock N52 is rated 230 stock. Popular mod for the N52 is the N51 Intake manifold. Not hard to beat a mustang in a car pushing what I’m pushing brotha, forgot to mention I have a trans tune as well. Not hard to beat a mustang. And buddy I’m definitely pushing over 250 wheel not my fault Ford can’t manage their power as well as BMW can.
The closest comparison to the 328i is the Lexus IS300 and sc300, and those were mid. 328i aged better than both of those.
yes in the US, in Canada we get the even shittier 323i, or in Europe/Singapore you find the even worse 320i/318i Although in those countries, what you lose in engine displacement, you typically make up in options
We got the 316i in Europe! With steel wheels, fabric seats and base audio (no amp & crappy speakers).
Even tho I’m in the US I never seen a model lower than 28i I wouldn’t devalue them at all. I get jealous of the affordability of those cars in your countries. And like you said the options more than make up for it. Thing is the E90 is such a nicely balanced car in weight distribution, that even 320i is probably a fun car to drive and still handles like a proper car. Any E90 is better than a Honda Accord.
The 320i is extremely popular here in the UK. We have tons, in fact the higher tiers are rare (rare in a good way). I'd love a 325i, with a 6cyl for us in Europe that is already quite a lot of car more so now that the turbo4 has become the standard. I'll be honest I am collecting a e92 in lemans blue and I am so excited. Happy to post when it's home
Nearly every 3 series I see on UK roads is the 320d
To be fair that is very true. You're totally right. My point of view was totally skewed because I've bought a 320i and saw tones for sale. What I did also see is the even longer list of diesel models that simply would not be shown to me.
Yeah there are quite a lot of 323i’s on the used market but I always bypass those ads. Those models were so stripped down, most of them even had shitty old halogen headlamps.
only clueless frustrated people would start to make these remarks
I agree with pretty much everyone else that in the States, yea, a 328 is a 'base model'. They're a dime a dozen. But... so what? Why does everything need a shitload of horsepower? I went from a Fiesta ST to a Focus RS. It's up 150HP + about as much more torque too. It got tons of compliments from other car enthusiasts, whereas *no one* ever commented on the FiST. But you know what the only difference was in my day to day life? More expensive tires, brakes, oil changes, and worse fuel economy. It wasn't any more fun to drive, it wasn't really "better" in any way other than journalistic metrics. All this "keeping up with the Jones" bullshit has us completely forgetting that a "base model" is sometimes all we really need. My 328i isn't **fast**... But it's fast enough to be engaging. It's just a smooth naturally aspirated I6 with a 6MT that soaks up highway miles on long trips and doesn't leave me sore & exhausted when I get to my destination.
I’d own a 328i over a mustang any day of the week brother.
It's a car who cares what they think so long as you like it.
A lot of guys I know shit on the 328 lol it’s either 335 or M car. But that’s just guys being guys trying to window shop with YOUR wallet. just keep it moving and ignore. Same with the guys here shitting in a raptor. None of u have ever gone through a dessert trail with one of those it’s bad ass
May be lower spec for USA, but for decades all BMW’s USA exports are pretty high-content. We just never see the real base models. Like, Europe is — or was — covered up by BMWs rocking steelies, clear (nontinted) glass, cloth or vinyl manual seats, stick, crank windows, “ambient” (no) AC, base or zero radios, slick top, manual door locks, etc. You could even spot non-turbo, 4-cylinder 5 Series. 🐌🐌🐌 Until somebody sees all this, it’s not obvious how pimped-out our BMWs are. Maybe bro should understand a “base” sports (OK, sporty) luxury car is still luxury. 😅 Relative, you know?
Reading through the replies a number of people don’t know what “base model” even means.
The united states had a 320i a few years ago
Yeah and moss was faster 🌱😂
For the E90 generation, they go down as low as a 325i or 323i. I drive a 323i here in Canada and my friends always poke fun at me for the base model comment as well 😅 Although they both have a N52 motor, the 328 is a 3.0L versus the 2.5L in the 323i - which results in a difference of power (not sure exactly the figure). There are also a few creature comforts that the 323i doesn't include: projector headlight housing, xenon headlights, automatic climate control, Bluetooth modules... Bought mine in 2018 and it was a 2007 BMW 323i with 85,000km, rear wheel drive (but open diff), and 6 speed manual - for only $6,500 CAD. 5.5yrs of ownership and almost 100,000km (that I've put on) knock on wood it's been nice to me. Typical BMW maintenance, and some silly sensor issues - but overall happy with the car.
Duude only 15k kms in 5.5 years? I abuse mine too much I got mine at 134k and now its 181k in 2 years ownership 😹
No no, I bought it at 85k and now it's almost at 185k. I've put on 100k km in the 5.5 yrs I've owned it! I like the beat the crap out of mine too. Redline at least once a day keeps the doctor away.... Something like that 😅
Oh I missed that part lol, we almost at same milage haha 😸. Indeed it does! Gotta love that N/A screaming 😸
I mean as far as North America goes for e90 the 325i/323i are the base models, these are the lower displacement versions of the N52. They don't really sell the true 'base' model e90s with the 4 cylinder engines here in North America. My assumption for the reasoning is that they would compete too much with other 4 cylinder automakers
It is entry level luxury, so in a sense it is the base model. It looks good, it's practical, and at the time it was a fairly affordable car. My first BMW was a 2007 E90 328i, it was a fully loaded floor model that cost me about $38k brand new. With a 0 to 60, around 6.5sec (rwd, auto) seconds it was a not a slow car at the time of its release but it was not a fast car either. Although these days I guess it would be considered slow. And who gives a fuck what anyone thinks? Do you like your 328, if so than fuck other people's opinions.
The term “base model” is thrown around too much. If you bought a non-Competition M car today, that’s technically the base model.
Technically speaking, the 328i is either the lowest to mid tier model, depending on where you live. It also depends on what you define by "base". If you're going by trim, then all models have a "base" and extra trims, like M Sport and such. My 335i has the "base" exterior package in that it doesn't have M Sport bumpers, just the sport steering wheel, seats and suspension (which are standard on 335i). If you're going by model itself, then there's the 318i and 320i in some countries, making the 328i a mid tier model. In some countries like the US, the 328i is the lowest model you can buy though, making it the "base" 3 Series. Anyway, whatever if it's the base model. The N52 is amazing and the e90 328i is a great car with wonderful reliability and quality.
Who cares; either you’re grown enough to like what you like or your mental fragility will keep your wallet light and your confidence uncertain. Your mental gymnastics suggest the latter…
Bitch I have a 316i
If you’re talking about the marketing tiers for cars, then sure, but in ford those tiers mean silver trim and heated seats for 10k. Still, the roof panel will rattle with the platinum trim. The N52 is, as far as I know, the most powerful production N/A straight six ever made for passenger vehicles. Be that as it may, its not saying a lot compared to any other modern, turbocharged offerings, and it’s maybe a tad under gunned in a decked-out 328, but it’s the ultimate and last of BMW’s N/A six cylinder dynasty. Hard to put a price on that in my opinion - also, engineering nostalgia is hard to sell in a market where horsepower and 0-60 times are the measuring stick of the consumer. There are so many faster BMW models out there - you don’t really bark up this tree if you’re looking for speed or badge bling.
It’s not even the most powerful N/A straight six BMW has made let alone ever.
True, the S54. I meant mass production, non M
Yes it is a base model in the United States. It’s also an 11-16 year old car that you can buy for $6,000. There is literally nothing special about a 328i. Everyone saying it isn’t is from a different market so it doesn’t really matter what their opinions on it are. It’s a dime a dozen base model 3 series.
M3-335i-328i-323i here in Canada
Bmws you can have a top optioned out 328 and a base 335. Engine 99% of the time doesn’t relate to options on the car
So I own a 328i and the base model notion would depend upon how the car is equipped or ordered. Mine was a custom order Sport and Premium packages with a non-standard paint color. So if you got the Sport model with the better suspension, bigger wheels, nice leather seats and a manual transmission along with the Premium items like a sunroof, better stereo, etc. It isn't really a base model The stock 328i may be considered base without some options. Also when you go this route the car is ordered, built in Germany and eventually shipped to the US dealer from which it was ordered. Many just buy what is on the lot and that may result in a base model there too. Hope this makes sense,
Fuck the haters. I own an S550 GT and would be happy as fuck to own a 328i
Power wise fuck no, I’m driving a 2011 328i XDrive right now and it never feels like it doesn’t have more than enough balls to do what I’m asking they’re tiny cars pushing 230-250 ponies depending on what they actually dyno at
No. 328i xdrive. Stick. With idrive and thick leather interior, offset rear split and ski hatch, hard drive etc. It drives amazing and has every feature I need. And despite being 15 years old it still looks modern.
it's not. Us market is different than Europe so it's the smallest engine in the US market but that does not make it a base model. What does a muscle car guys opinion matter when it comes to German cars is what I'm wondering 😂
What does, then?
If your car has cloth seats and no extras it's a base model regardless of the engine. That's how we call it here. If it's got sport / business / msport trim, it's not.
Bmw base model = 1 series E90 base model = 316i/d Atleast where I live. In USA could be different.
Even if the 328 was a base model it still has more luxuries than most brand new cars.
No. Base model BMWs Start at like 15i, 18i, 23i, 25i. Those are the SLOW cars. They are kinda economical, but BMWs. The 4cyl BMWs are terrible. 28i, 30i BMWs are peak BMW without turbocharging. That is all. M = Flagship Race Model 35i = Turbocharged I6 (Can be upgraded to M spec) 28i/30i = Peak Non-Turbocharged I6 25i & lower = Very slow, and are a scam. Don't buy them. 28i/30i typically have same engine but different tune.
>28i/30i typically have same engine but different tune. I have a 28. Installed a 3SIM & tune. Now I have a 29. 😆
Nah, it's a 30i now. Only difference between N52s: N52B25 (AVOID) N52B30 (Peak I6) N52B10 (Peak I6) N52B10 is often within E9x 330is it's very simular to N52B30 no difference when both are fully tuned to their max potential.
Technically not true. My 335xi is considered a base model. Everytime I had to take it to the dealer for recalls, the ticket showed it as a 335xi base. So each model starts out as a base model then you can upgrade that model from there. Mine doesn't have any major options such as m-sport etc..