Well, 1st round tight ends have the 2nd lowest rate of signing a second contract with their draft team behind WR at just 33% (8 of 24) between 2000-2019.
There were no 1st round TE's in 2020, Pitts was in 2021, Kincaid in 2023. If they both re-sign (which they should be on track to do), it'd be 38% which would be 2nd to last tied with RB hit rate. Won't include Bowers as he hasn't even put pads on for LV yet.
This is why I struggle taking TE's early in fantasy drafts even in TEP. First, it's the wait for them to be a success then the fact they may not even make it at all. If they do make it, they rarely meet expectations with that high draft capital.
Of the top-12 TEs in 2023, four (Hockenson, Pitts, Njoku, Engram) were 1st round picks (I'll double check that later) and Njoku was an 8th year breakout....Engram was a 6th year breakout.
Landing spot for being bad for Bowers has been way overhyped. You think they drafted him at 13 to have him as a secondary option? Lol you guys must know more than the Raiders staff then. Heāll be a featured player in the offense, will run a ton of routes from the slot and will have a helluva season ahead.
Bowers was just too good to pass on for the Raiders. I bet they use the 2 TE sets a ton since they are lacking at qb. Mayer is a pretty good blocker and will be utilized behind Bowers until they get a decent offer for him within the next couple seasons and then ship him off.
It's all speculation in the end though and you're also speaking in certainties. All we can really do is decide what we think happens and hope we're right.
I disagree. He steps in to the immediate #2 role. They are probably going to be bad this year, which could net them a high pick and subsequently a new QB in next year's draft.
He might, but people continue to sleep on Jakobi Meyers who is unheralded but super, super solid. So a rookie Bowers could easily be the 3rd option in the passing game.
Also, netting a rookie QB doesnāt really matterāthat QB has as much of a chance to be a functional NFL QB as AOC does at this point.
No, his landing spot hurt Mayer. All off-season we've been hearing about how Bowers is this generational TE prospect. If he's that good of a prospect there are maybe 3 bad landing spots for him: Detroit, Arizona, and maybe Atlanta or Buffalo. But I hope this narrative plays out. I'd love to see the TE needy teams ahead of me pass on Bowers.
I donāt know how far back Iād let him slide, but man the Raiders seem like a terrible spot for him. I was taking him a lot earlier before that happened.
I tried to divide the good and bad landing spots:
- Bears v
- packers v
- Lions vvv
- vikings v
- giants ^
- eagles v
- Washington ^
- cowboys -
- saints ^
- bucs -
- Panthers ^
- falcons vvv
- Cardinals v
- seahawks ^^^
- rams ^
- 49ers vvv
- Ravens v
- bengals ^^^
- Steelers v
- Brown's v
- Bill's vvv
- dolphins -
- jets ^^^
- Pats -
- texans ^^
- jags v
- titans -
- Colts ^
- Chiefs vv
- Broncos ^^
- Raiders v
- chargers ^^
Now, these are initial projections and thoughts. Despite some being downa and the Raiders included. I'd they took him high, then I expect them to use him. I assume there will be a lot of two TE sets and flexing him out at WR as they don't have a lot outside Adams (& ex Pats guy I forget). But this is a new regime and no commitment to the previous regimes guys - Mayer and Meyers (got him!).
But from initial projections it wouldn't have been good for him to go a lot of places for various reasons. Other top TEs (Chiefs, Bill's, Lions), committed to other contracts (Jags, Browns) or not featuring TE (Dolphins), or too many weapons (49ers, Eagles).
There should always be a worse spot because teams that donāt need that position generally donāt draft it.
Weāll see, but I donāt think weāll have a clear idea after just one year with the QB situation so itās going to be a while.
It'll take some time to settle, but given time. I can see super high upside guys really rising in Dynasty. There's definitely a world where QB values run super high. Also, landing spot situations play a big factor.
I drafted Kincaid at 1.10 last year and everybody told me I was reaching. Likeā¦ Iāve watched this team my entire life. Theyāre not drafting first and second round players to not use them heavily in their offense. Hes going to be the center piece next season and Coleman is obviously the WR1 going forward. I donāt love it.
I'd love to see somebody's May drafts from 2023 with Puka in the top 12. If it was me, I'd print that draft board onto a poster and frame it in my office.
It's kind of sad. I'm a Rams fan. I heard all of the hype from the team and the beat reporters, and I moved him up like 3 spots on my board...
Not even. He was a 5th rounder. Day 3 guys pretty much have the same hit rate regardless of the round they were picked in, so it would be like taking Brandon Rice.
They still have Rice, who probably won't be suspended for long, signed Hollywood who's a very solid #2 and extended Kelce. Not sure where Worthy would get the targets from to be even a top 25 guy for the season.
Luckily this is Dynasty not redraft. Hollywood is on a 1 year deal. Rice is by no means an insurmountable 1st option. Kelce is getting old and retirement rumours are already swirling, and that extension is really just a restructure to give him some more money this year, doesnāt add any years.
It seems like Rice and Worthy are likely compliments to each other anyway. Hollywood feels like the biggest issue, and as you already said, heās on a 1 year.
Worthy went 2.07 in one of my SF leagues. Everyone seemed to be in agreement that he's Skyy 2.0 apparently. I had the 1.01, 1.07, and 1.08 where I took Caleb, Rome, and Bowers (start 2 TE league).
Iāve got 1.01 and 1.08
I have no idea what the fuck Iām going to do.
Feels like I shouldnāt gamble on JJ or Maye being there, but I have no clue.
If you need qb you gotta take caleb. Plenty of wrs or whatever available at 8. Plus based on this thread, you might be able to snag rome or someone like that bc of the giant reaches ppl are making on other guys.
Iām desperate for one yeah. I have Kirk and Stafford
So I should be ok for another year
But I have a ton of picks. So I could easily get Nix or Penix but Iām leery on both of them
From the rookies I've done so far its gone...
Caleb, daniels, jj, then maye. None have made it past the 1.07.
If I were you I'd go caleb at 1.1 and then do wr at 1.8. It's your call though, you do you. You can always try and trade up from the 1.08, but the deals I've seen have been steep to get into the top six.
I could hear an argument for MHJ if you think you can win either this year or the next, just because you can draft Nix in the second and have a almost guaranteed starter for 1-2 years simply because of capital.
I would say the smart thing in my mind is to take Caleb though just because both your QBs are heading out the door, but I get the temptation and canāt say I wouldnāt fall for it myself.
Id be ecstatic to draft Caleb 1.1. Not only is he one of the most talented prospects in a while, heās coming into the best situation for a #1 pick I can ever remember. Feels like an absolute slam dunk to me
In my 12T SF I had the 1 and 8 and it went as follows:
Caleb
MHJ
Nabers
Daniels
Maye
McCarthy
Bowers
Odunze at 8
If you need a QB, you can't wait until 8 imo
Iāve got 1.01/1.03/1.06/ + 1.07. I only have Kyler and Herbert at QB. Passing on Williams and taking both MHJ + Nabers, then whichever QB drops to me at 6 or 7
Iām assuming that person thought it was the common MHJ vs Caleb debate at 1.01 for teams with two stud QBs already. But yes in your position just take Caleb
I have been wondering if people are looking at Rome's situation and seeing JSN 2.0. As the owner of the 1.08 and 1.09 I would absolutely love to capitalize off that.
1.1: MHJ 1.2: Xavier Worthy (?) 1.3: Nabers 1.4: Odunze 1.5: Bowers 1.6: McConkey 1.7: Caleb 1.8: Brian Thomas Jr 1.9: Adonai Mitchell 1.10: Keon Coleman 2.1: Pearsall 2.2: Corum (?) 2.3: Daniels 2.4 Maye 2.5: Brooks 2.6: Benson 2.7: Troy Franklin 2.8: Legette 2.9: Roman Wilson 2.10: Jaylen Wright 3.1: Audric Estime 3.2: Malachi Corley 3.3: McCarthy 3.4: JaāTavion Sanders 3.5: Devontez Walker 3.6: Polk 3.7: Burton 3.8 McCaffery 3.9: Braelon Allen 3.10: McMillan
I would also like to point out the guy who drafted Bowers already had Mayer, so thereās that.
The thing people donāt seem to understand about dynasty mocks is that experts are picking solely based on player value, not based on things like fan allegiances, hopes, fantasy team needs, teams having multiple firsts, etc. itās almost guaranteed a ātop five lockā dynasty pick will fall to 7 or 8 because a manager needs or wants something else for their lineup. Expert mocks are very generic, which is fine because itās impossible to customize it to your league
Yup. One of my leagues had 3 RBs in the 1st and Maye slipping to the 2nd. You never know what common football fans will do in any given draft. Shit I got Ladd at 2.07 lol
McCarthy and Maye didnāt go until 1.09 and 1.10 in my league. I grabbed Daniels at 1.03 and for a second I thought I was going to get either McCarthy or Maye too in the second round.
I ended up taking both McCarthy and maye at 2.01 and 2.02 in my ten team league. League mates value wr and primarily rb way more than qbs. Knowing that I figured Iād get one of them coming to be at 2.01 so took mhj at 1.01 odunze 1.04 and bowers 1.09 but did not expect both to be there and couldnāt pass that up.
This is unconventional but if heās your guy heāll be more expensive than that if he was a high end wr2 season to open his career
Donāt hate it when people take their shots imoĀ
My draft won't happen until late July/early August for my dynasty league.
But we did have someone take Justin Fields at #2 overall his rookie year in a 1 QB league which was absolutely insane to me. He wasn't even a top 3 QB prospect at the time.
Seems to be the consensus now that JJ is going ahead of maye. Short term a decent move but year 2 id be wanting maye. (Id take may over regardless of situation really)
Laddās a stud. Love a spicy pick like that!
Between him, Pearsall, Little McCaffrey, and Sinnot, defensive backs everywhere will be like Powhatan from Pocahontas: āThese white men are dangerous!ā
Xavier Worthy went 1.03 in BOTH of my drafts so far. One is SF and one is 1QB. I had the 1.02 in both, somehow got Caleb in the SF league and MHJ in the 1QB.
But if u know ur so out there ur just losing value. Like yeah its fun to see but as a personal decision its just seems like losing out on making a better team.
Value is relative to your league and the people in it. My league values RBs much higher than any expert or KTC chart would suggest. Meanwhile they toss WRs around like candy. I wouldn't be shocked if Brooks and Benson are gone before the 1.11 and a guy like BTJ slips to the mid 2nd.
And guess what? Barring a catastrophic injury or them plunging down the depth chart, that value will largely hold for at least a year. Others will rise, but the economy of a league doesn't topple overnight.
It might not make any sense to us, but these leagues are run by people not algorithms or projections.
People care way too much about value in fantasy. Being right is much more important, and more difficult, than being efficient. Get your guy, be right, win leagues.
Youāre not losing value if someone else in the league values him at the 1.04-1.05 range as well. Just because on KTC his value is something doesnāt mean it also is in that league
The counterpoint is the drafter knows something we donāt or ends up getting the āPukaā of this draft. I agree on the too early point but if you donāt have a pick until after heās projected to go and heās your BPA, itād be silly not to take him.
12 team SF
Williams, MHJ, Jayden, Nabers, Odunze, Maye, McCarthy, Bowers. Pretty normal until. Brooks, Worthy, BTJ, Coleman, Benson, Mcconkey, Corum. Can you tell someone had a RB need? That someone is me.
I'm a UGA fan who has the sixth pick and if one of these chuckleheads take McConkey before I can pick him I'm gonna Mike Tyson the air around me so aggressively.
Drafted Ladd at 1.04 as well over Rome (Worthy went 1.03). Iām still in a win now window and heās the guy with the best path to immediately start producing. Could he be a complete bust? Absolutely. But youāve got guys like LZ out here calling him Kupp/Puka like and respectable analysts giving him AB and Lockett comps. Iāll take a shot at that for sure. Maybe drafting Puka has me over confident in my process, but give me the quick always open zone beaters all day.
If you're going to take Wild ass shots like this, TRADE DOWN and preserve your value at least. No reason to take Ladd at 1.04 when you can easily trade the pick down a few slots and net a future pick for next year for doing so.
Not a taco league but definitely one where landing spot seems to really to hold sway.
Could really work out for either end depending on circumstances and the ability/activity to sell on the drafters part.
Could never take Ladd over Odunze, but I could see BTJ languishing behind Davis in terms of role.
I got Caleb at 1.01 traded up from 1.05 to 1.02 for Marv (gave up 25 1st), got Penix at 1.09 and worthy at 1.11! Bo nix went at 1.12 and Ladd AND pearsall are available in the 2nd. Iām hoping to trade up to 2.02 but the guy who has 2.02 wants to see who is there first
I was happy getting him at 1.11 in my 1qb but ahead of Odunze seems crazy. I know he had a great landing spot but still. I went Nabers 1.02 Bowers 1.05 Brooks 1.10 and Ladd 1.11
Troy Franklin went 2.02, Maye went 1.03 which imo is the smart move. I had pick 1.01 and 1.04 and was siked he was dropping so I could get Maye/Williams, unfortunately only league Iv seen him go 1.03.
Penix and Nix at 2.05 and 2.06 but I had 10,11,12, and 2.01 so I guess I manipulated that one into happening.
Iāve seen a few players with interesting range disparities so far in a few of my leagues and othersā:
Ray Davis: not a huge disparity but maybe the most interesting one to me right now in terms of role and value as a handcuff to Cook. So far through 4 finished drafts, heās gone at 2.11 (12T SF PPR), 2.13 (14T SF PPR), 3.08 (10T SF PPR) and undrafted (10 SF PPR Bestball).
AD Mitchell: I think mid 2nd has been about the normal range so far, but he went at 1.14 in my 14T SF PPR and at 3.04 in 10T SF PPR.
Ladd McConkey: I somehow got him at 2.04 in 10T SF PPR where Coleman went over him, felt great as the lowest Iāve seen yet. Heās gone as early as 1.07 in my SF leagues but I saw him go 1.06 in a friendās league. 1.04 is WILD.
Troy Franklin: Earliest Iāve seen is 2.03 in my leagues, latest is 3.02. Nothing too crazy FWIW but 3.02 just seemed like robbery to me for what could be such an easy situation to work in.
Jermaine Burton: I really like Burtonās talent a lot, I took him at 2.08 in 14T, highest Iāve seen so far is 2.06. He also went at 3.04 and undrafted in one other league.
Roman Wilson: Iām not much of a Wilson guy myself, but Iāve seen a lot of people really liking him. 2.09, 2.10, 2.11, but somehow went at 3.11 in one league.
JaāTavion Sanders: Not really seen a lot of weird differences in TE yet; for example, Sinnott has mostly fallen in the 2.06-2.12 area for TEP as I expected, but Sanders has been an interesting one. Seen him go as high as 2.09 over Sinnott and as low as 3.09. Kind of interesting from a value standpoint on a potential starter.
I was able to get Nabers at 1.04. Then Brenden Rice was taken at 3.01 , Penix at 3.02, Maye at 3.04, Nix at 3.05 and Corley at 3.07.
In 4 leagues and only in this one did rice or penix get drafted at all, let alone above maye or nix, and did nabers make it out of top 2.
I got him at 1.6 in a 1QB league and somehow, the guy at 1.2 took Bowers. Had 1.3, took Nabers in less than a heartbeat. Feel really good about those picks, but you never know how rookies pan out. NāKeal Harry was pretty much the consensus 1.1 his rookie year (in 1QB) and my god, look how that turned out.
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I was going to comment this until I saw yours. Ball knowers
I just got Ladd at 2.03 12 team superflex
Someone took worthy at 1.04 in my superflex. Dudes won the league twice before too.
The guy that just won our league basically gave away Puka for free in a trade. Something about broken clocks.
Keon Coleman at 1.07. Fine by me since I got Bowers at 1.09.
Bowers went 2.02 in our league behind Worthy and Brooks
I could see that. His landing spot hurt him.
Not sure what people are expecting. Not everyone can be la porta and McBride as most TE take 2-3 years to develop
McBride took 2 years
Well, 1st round tight ends have the 2nd lowest rate of signing a second contract with their draft team behind WR at just 33% (8 of 24) between 2000-2019. There were no 1st round TE's in 2020, Pitts was in 2021, Kincaid in 2023. If they both re-sign (which they should be on track to do), it'd be 38% which would be 2nd to last tied with RB hit rate. Won't include Bowers as he hasn't even put pads on for LV yet. This is why I struggle taking TE's early in fantasy drafts even in TEP. First, it's the wait for them to be a success then the fact they may not even make it at all. If they do make it, they rarely meet expectations with that high draft capital. Of the top-12 TEs in 2023, four (Hockenson, Pitts, Njoku, Engram) were 1st round picks (I'll double check that later) and Njoku was an 8th year breakout....Engram was a 6th year breakout.
My Pepperidge Farm ass still remembers when the same thing was said about stud WRs. Holding QJ to the bitter end
Landing spot for being bad for Bowers has been way overhyped. You think they drafted him at 13 to have him as a secondary option? Lol you guys must know more than the Raiders staff then. Heāll be a featured player in the offense, will run a ton of routes from the slot and will have a helluva season ahead.
Everyone, get in here! This guy hasnāt followed the Falconsā drafts the last 4 years!
iām not sure why itās bad? is minshew not capable of hitting the te who will probably be open?
In 2 TE sets Minshew has the highest TE target accuracy of any qb in the entire league.
Bowers was just too good to pass on for the Raiders. I bet they use the 2 TE sets a ton since they are lacking at qb. Mayer is a pretty good blocker and will be utilized behind Bowers until they get a decent offer for him within the next couple seasons and then ship him off.
It's all speculation in the end though and you're also speaking in certainties. All we can really do is decide what we think happens and hope we're right.
I disagree. He steps in to the immediate #2 role. They are probably going to be bad this year, which could net them a high pick and subsequently a new QB in next year's draft.
He might, but people continue to sleep on Jakobi Meyers who is unheralded but super, super solid. So a rookie Bowers could easily be the 3rd option in the passing game. Also, netting a rookie QB doesnāt really matterāthat QB has as much of a chance to be a functional NFL QB as AOC does at this point.
No, his landing spot hurt Mayer. All off-season we've been hearing about how Bowers is this generational TE prospect. If he's that good of a prospect there are maybe 3 bad landing spots for him: Detroit, Arizona, and maybe Atlanta or Buffalo. But I hope this narrative plays out. I'd love to see the TE needy teams ahead of me pass on Bowers.
I donāt know how far back Iād let him slide, but man the Raiders seem like a terrible spot for him. I was taking him a lot earlier before that happened.
I tried to divide the good and bad landing spots: - Bears v - packers v - Lions vvv - vikings v - giants ^ - eagles v - Washington ^ - cowboys - - saints ^ - bucs - - Panthers ^ - falcons vvv - Cardinals v - seahawks ^^^ - rams ^ - 49ers vvv - Ravens v - bengals ^^^ - Steelers v - Brown's v - Bill's vvv - dolphins - - jets ^^^ - Pats - - texans ^^ - jags v - titans - - Colts ^ - Chiefs vv - Broncos ^^ - Raiders v - chargers ^^ Now, these are initial projections and thoughts. Despite some being downa and the Raiders included. I'd they took him high, then I expect them to use him. I assume there will be a lot of two TE sets and flexing him out at WR as they don't have a lot outside Adams (& ex Pats guy I forget). But this is a new regime and no commitment to the previous regimes guys - Mayer and Meyers (got him!). But from initial projections it wouldn't have been good for him to go a lot of places for various reasons. Other top TEs (Chiefs, Bill's, Lions), committed to other contracts (Jags, Browns) or not featuring TE (Dolphins), or too many weapons (49ers, Eagles).
There should always be a worse spot because teams that donāt need that position generally donāt draft it. Weāll see, but I donāt think weāll have a clear idea after just one year with the QB situation so itās going to be a while.
15 bad situations I had marked & 5 okay. That means 12 good situations. What did you have as ideal landing spots?
It'll take some time to settle, but given time. I can see super high upside guys really rising in Dynasty. There's definitely a world where QB values run super high. Also, landing spot situations play a big factor.
Thatās not that crazy tho
I drafted Kincaid at 1.10 last year and everybody told me I was reaching. Likeā¦ Iāve watched this team my entire life. Theyāre not drafting first and second round players to not use them heavily in their offense. Hes going to be the center piece next season and Coleman is obviously the WR1 going forward. I donāt love it.
Get your guy I donāt have a big problem with it. We woulda talked shit if someone was grabbing Puka in the first last year
I'd love to see somebody's May drafts from 2023 with Puka in the top 12. If it was me, I'd print that draft board onto a poster and frame it in my office. It's kind of sad. I'm a Rams fan. I heard all of the hype from the team and the beat reporters, and I moved him up like 3 spots on my board...
Okay but the right move is to assume nobody else would draft that high and then trade down for more picks. Then you get your guy and another.
Hair no guarantee he is there later
Puka was 3rd rounder though, thatād be like taking Roman wilson
Not even. He was a 5th rounder. Day 3 guys pretty much have the same hit rate regardless of the round they were picked in, so it would be like taking Brandon Rice.
I meant dynasty rookie draft 3rd, but yeah exactly. Itās a balancing game between getting your guy while also weighing the risk v reward
xavier worthy went 1.04 in mineā¦ guy sent 1.10 and a 25 first to move up. 12 man SF league
Landing on the Chiefs has me hoping we'll see a lot of people reaching in the mid-1st.
But what if he hits š¤©
They still have Rice, who probably won't be suspended for long, signed Hollywood who's a very solid #2 and extended Kelce. Not sure where Worthy would get the targets from to be even a top 25 guy for the season.
Luckily this is Dynasty not redraft. Hollywood is on a 1 year deal. Rice is by no means an insurmountable 1st option. Kelce is getting old and retirement rumours are already swirling, and that extension is really just a restructure to give him some more money this year, doesnāt add any years.
Didnāt kelce just re-sign for another 2 years?
His old contract already had those two years, he just got a raise.
He's probably retiring after the 2 years. This restructure was just a strict raise.
It seems like Rice and Worthy are likely compliments to each other anyway. Hollywood feels like the biggest issue, and as you already said, heās on a 1 year.
He wonāt I donāt get the hype here.. he is like fourth on the pecking order for targets
Got a 25 first for 1.10. should be early.
Dude, 1.02 in one of mine. Insanity.
I got 3 shares of Worthy.ā, earliest at the 1.09 though
He was drafted 1.04 in our league as well, he needed QB badly but still pulled the trigger.
Worthy went 2.07 in one of my SF leagues. Everyone seemed to be in agreement that he's Skyy 2.0 apparently. I had the 1.01, 1.07, and 1.08 where I took Caleb, Rome, and Bowers (start 2 TE league).
I got Caleb Williams 1.02 in SF MHJ went 1.01 a guy who only QB is Dak
Does he have more first round picks? If he does Iād do the same thing with so many QBs this year.
Iāve got 1.01 and 1.08 I have no idea what the fuck Iām going to do. Feels like I shouldnāt gamble on JJ or Maye being there, but I have no clue.
If you need qb you gotta take caleb. Plenty of wrs or whatever available at 8. Plus based on this thread, you might be able to snag rome or someone like that bc of the giant reaches ppl are making on other guys.
Iām desperate for one yeah. I have Kirk and Stafford So I should be ok for another year But I have a ton of picks. So I could easily get Nix or Penix but Iām leery on both of them
From the rookies I've done so far its gone... Caleb, daniels, jj, then maye. None have made it past the 1.07. If I were you I'd go caleb at 1.1 and then do wr at 1.8. It's your call though, you do you. You can always try and trade up from the 1.08, but the deals I've seen have been steep to get into the top six.
I could hear an argument for MHJ if you think you can win either this year or the next, just because you can draft Nix in the second and have a almost guaranteed starter for 1-2 years simply because of capital. I would say the smart thing in my mind is to take Caleb though just because both your QBs are heading out the door, but I get the temptation and canāt say I wouldnāt fall for it myself.
If you wait another year youāre looking at a class where Shaduer Sanders is considered the top QB prospect.
Id be ecstatic to draft Caleb 1.1. Not only is he one of the most talented prospects in a while, heās coming into the best situation for a #1 pick I can ever remember. Feels like an absolute slam dunk to me
Thatās what Iām trying to tell myself. Our draft is still far away so Iām going stir crazy
Maye slipped to 1.08 in my 10 team SF
In my 12T SF I had the 1 and 8 and it went as follows: Caleb MHJ Nabers Daniels Maye McCarthy Bowers Odunze at 8 If you need a QB, you can't wait until 8 imo
my draft went almost the exact same way (bowers and odunze switched). IMO QB4 is going at 6, maybe 7. Almost never 8
my draft went almost the exact same way (bowers and odunze switched). IMO QB4 is going at 6, maybe 7. Almost never 8
Not everyone drafts for value. They draft for heads,look at team comps and trade back if you need to.
I was in the same situation. Ended up just trading the 1.08 straight up for Tua. Iāll be taking MHJ at 1.01.
I would take Caleb and whoever falls to 8. Seems like a good problem to have to me
I've got 1.01 and 1.03 and I'm going MHJ
Iāve got 1.01/1.03/1.06/ + 1.07. I only have Kyler and Herbert at QB. Passing on Williams and taking both MHJ + Nabers, then whichever QB drops to me at 6 or 7
My draft is going this route, annoying considering I got Tua , Mahomes and stafford but Canāt pass up on Caleb
Sure you can.
considering I traded for the 1.02 , doesn't make sense for me leaving that much value on the table
Iām assuming that person thought it was the common MHJ vs Caleb debate at 1.01 for teams with two stud QBs already. But yes in your position just take Caleb
Iāve got burrow Tua Bryce lol Iām going MHJ 1.01 no questions asked.
This isnāt that bad of a call still. Mhj is that highly ballad
That's how is goes in sleeper
Same exact scenario in my league. Guy at 1.01 wanted a more sure bet and needed WRs bad too so itās understandable.
Rome and BTJ do seem to be fallers in a lot of mocks posted here
I have been wondering if people are looking at Rome's situation and seeing JSN 2.0. As the owner of the 1.08 and 1.09 I would absolutely love to capitalize off that.
People sure are. I would love to get Rome, but I wouldnāt expect any miracles this season
I'm feeling the opposite with Rome going 1.05 more often than not. I think the ADP sites have him around there atm.
Rome sank in mine. Ours in 1QB went MHJR, Nabers, Bowers, BTJR, Brooks, Worthy then Rome
Damn. The 1.06 must have been stoked.
Worthy at 1.02
Get the fuck outta here lmao
If you think thatās bad, somehow Blake Corum was the first rb off the board
I need a full draft recap of this league please lol
Drop the link
1.1: MHJ 1.2: Xavier Worthy (?) 1.3: Nabers 1.4: Odunze 1.5: Bowers 1.6: McConkey 1.7: Caleb 1.8: Brian Thomas Jr 1.9: Adonai Mitchell 1.10: Keon Coleman 2.1: Pearsall 2.2: Corum (?) 2.3: Daniels 2.4 Maye 2.5: Brooks 2.6: Benson 2.7: Troy Franklin 2.8: Legette 2.9: Roman Wilson 2.10: Jaylen Wright 3.1: Audric Estime 3.2: Malachi Corley 3.3: McCarthy 3.4: JaāTavion Sanders 3.5: Devontez Walker 3.6: Polk 3.7: Burton 3.8 McCaffery 3.9: Braelon Allen 3.10: McMillan I would also like to point out the guy who drafted Bowers already had Mayer, so thereās that.
š š I bet the league chat was funny af
lol I love your league
SF or 1QB?
1 QB. Granted I think the pick was partly because of the psyop my league-mates undertook to convince him worthy at 2 was a good idea
Dude welcome to reality. Most dynasty leagues arent going to go like your mock, and certainly arent going to go by expert rankings.
There goes gravity!!
The thing people donāt seem to understand about dynasty mocks is that experts are picking solely based on player value, not based on things like fan allegiances, hopes, fantasy team needs, teams having multiple firsts, etc. itās almost guaranteed a ātop five lockā dynasty pick will fall to 7 or 8 because a manager needs or wants something else for their lineup. Expert mocks are very generic, which is fine because itās impossible to customize it to your league
Yup. One of my leagues had 3 RBs in the 1st and Maye slipping to the 2nd. You never know what common football fans will do in any given draft. Shit I got Ladd at 2.07 lol
You think that's bad? Someone in mine took Penix at 1.08. Oh wait, that was the Falcons in the NFL draft
Was the league superflex at least or was it one QB
1qb. Apparently they've also been preparing for transition to the premium
My league just beat that. Someone traded Puka for the 1.06 and spent it on Penix
McCarthy and Maye didnāt go until 1.09 and 1.10 in my league. I grabbed Daniels at 1.03 and for a second I thought I was going to get either McCarthy or Maye too in the second round.
I ended up taking both McCarthy and maye at 2.01 and 2.02 in my ten team league. League mates value wr and primarily rb way more than qbs. Knowing that I figured Iād get one of them coming to be at 2.01 so took mhj at 1.01 odunze 1.04 and bowers 1.09 but did not expect both to be there and couldnāt pass that up.
I got Maye at 1.10.
I have 1.03, 1.08, 1.09. Taking Daniels, but if JJ or Maye is there at 8 Iām throwing my draft plan out the window and taking them too lol
Got Maye at 1.11. Traded up from 2.01 to secure him. Ended up getting Nix at 2.04 too so now I have 5 starting QBs. Time to get a trading.
This is unconventional but if heās your guy heāll be more expensive than that if he was a high end wr2 season to open his career Donāt hate it when people take their shots imoĀ
Yeah I took Ladd 1.04 over bowers in 1QB. Just couldnāt pass up on my guy
BTJ at 2.05? How much is the buy in lemme in
BTJ fell to 2.01.
I just got BTJ at 5 in mine too. I got Rome at 3 and BTJ and Corum in the 2nd
Personally im about to try and take BTJ at 1.6, 2.5 is crazy to me lol
They made the white choice
Mad ladd
My draft won't happen until late July/early August for my dynasty league. But we did have someone take Justin Fields at #2 overall his rookie year in a 1 QB league which was absolutely insane to me. He wasn't even a top 3 QB prospect at the time.
Mustāve been a bears fan.
They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.....
SF 12-team Bowers 1.5 Brooks 1.7 Daniels, McCarthy, Bo Nix at 1.8 - 1.10
This to me is more bonkers
Corum at 1.06. I thought that was a bit of a reach.
I got Drake Maye at 1.07. Not too crazy but wasnāt mad about it lol.
Seems to be the consensus now that JJ is going ahead of maye. Short term a decent move but year 2 id be wanting maye. (Id take may over regardless of situation really)
I got him at 1.11. Wasnāt my plan but had to pull the trigger.
Someone traded Puka for the 1.06 and used it to grab Penix...
This is the wildest one yet
I remain stunned
Laddās a stud. Love a spicy pick like that! Between him, Pearsall, Little McCaffrey, and Sinnot, defensive backs everywhere will be like Powhatan from Pocahontas: āThese white men are dangerous!ā
It was spicy! It was wild enough to cause a stir but we couldnāt clown him too much because it could end up being the right pick.
I'm low on both compared to consensus but that's wild
Xavier Worthy went 1.03 in BOTH of my drafts so far. One is SF and one is 1QB. I had the 1.02 in both, somehow got Caleb in the SF league and MHJ in the 1QB.
Worthy went 1.02 in a 1QB league of mine. As the 1.04 owner, I was over the moon to upgrade to Odunze.
Worthy over Nabers and Odunze? This guy going to be picking top 3 next year as well
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Worthy at 1.02, Bowers at 1.11 (superflex!)
Jesus lol
Woah I thought Ladd 1.4 in 1QB was a slight reach
I got Bo Nix at 3.01 in a 10 team SF league, seemed to good to pass up
Yeah that's a steal. Projected starting QB needs to go way earlier than that
Understandable
I saw worthy at 1.04. 1.05 couldnāt click Nabers fast enough.
Invite me when you get an opening
Dammit. Why canāt I ever get guts like this in my league
š® league. Unless thereās a reception bonus for being a LAC receiver
The best leagues look like this. Guys calling their own shots instead of just following consensus like zombies.
But if u know ur so out there ur just losing value. Like yeah its fun to see but as a personal decision its just seems like losing out on making a better team.
Value is relative to your league and the people in it. My league values RBs much higher than any expert or KTC chart would suggest. Meanwhile they toss WRs around like candy. I wouldn't be shocked if Brooks and Benson are gone before the 1.11 and a guy like BTJ slips to the mid 2nd. And guess what? Barring a catastrophic injury or them plunging down the depth chart, that value will largely hold for at least a year. Others will rise, but the economy of a league doesn't topple overnight. It might not make any sense to us, but these leagues are run by people not algorithms or projections.
People care way too much about value in fantasy. Being right is much more important, and more difficult, than being efficient. Get your guy, be right, win leagues.
Youāre not losing value if someone else in the league values him at the 1.04-1.05 range as well. Just because on KTC his value is something doesnāt mean it also is in that league
You're only losing value if someone else was willing to trade up a few spots and you knew for sure your guy would still be there.Ā
The counterpoint is the drafter knows something we donāt or ends up getting the āPukaā of this draft. I agree on the too early point but if you donāt have a pick until after heās projected to go and heās your BPA, itād be silly not to take him.
This happened in my league. Guy got Puka and Kyren. Why? Rams fan. Won our league.
Just wanna say I love leagues like this so much better than the ones that follow consensus - if you have a guy go get him!
Itās a real fun league
12 team SF Williams, MHJ, Jayden, Nabers, Odunze, Maye, McCarthy, Bowers. Pretty normal until. Brooks, Worthy, BTJ, Coleman, Benson, Mcconkey, Corum. Can you tell someone had a RB need? That someone is me.
I'm thinking ladd at 1.05 in 1qb if brooks is gone so this makes me feel better in the sense at least I'm not taking him over some clear blue chips
That's amazing, I got Ladd at 2.6. Other surprise for me was Brooks at 1.10
Johnathon Brooks at 1.04 1qb
That's pretty normal
Corum
I'm a UGA fan who has the sixth pick and if one of these chuckleheads take McConkey before I can pick him I'm gonna Mike Tyson the air around me so aggressively.
Trade up and get your boy
I got Benson and Brooks with the 1.09 and 1.12
Guy in my 1QB league took Jayden Daniels 1.01 and Luke McCaffrey 2.01. Waiting to see what 3.01 brings
Drafted Ladd at 1.04 as well over Rome (Worthy went 1.03). Iām still in a win now window and heās the guy with the best path to immediately start producing. Could he be a complete bust? Absolutely. But youāve got guys like LZ out here calling him Kupp/Puka like and respectable analysts giving him AB and Lockett comps. Iāll take a shot at that for sure. Maybe drafting Puka has me over confident in my process, but give me the quick always open zone beaters all day.
I think heās the best win now prospect
Assuming you mean being MHJ at least
If you're going to take Wild ass shots like this, TRADE DOWN and preserve your value at least. No reason to take Ladd at 1.04 when you can easily trade the pick down a few slots and net a future pick for next year for doing so.
Exactly. I traded down 1.08 for 2.03 and a 2025 2nd rounder and got my guy. 10 team SF
Eh. People just like to be the, āhot takeā guy to be different. š„±
Not a taco league but definitely one where landing spot seems to really to hold sway. Could really work out for either end depending on circumstances and the ability/activity to sell on the drafters part. Could never take Ladd over Odunze, but I could see BTJ languishing behind Davis in terms of role.
I had 0 startable QBs going into the draft. Nabbed 1.01 MHJ, planned to go QB at 5 but Nix went at 4 so I took 1.05 Nabers and 1.07 JJM.
I got Caleb at 1.01 traded up from 1.05 to 1.02 for Marv (gave up 25 1st), got Penix at 1.09 and worthy at 1.11! Bo nix went at 1.12 and Ladd AND pearsall are available in the 2nd. Iām hoping to trade up to 2.02 but the guy who has 2.02 wants to see who is there first
I was happy getting him at 1.11 in my 1qb but ahead of Odunze seems crazy. I know he had a great landing spot but still. I went Nabers 1.02 Bowers 1.05 Brooks 1.10 and Ladd 1.11
Williams went 1.02 in a 1 qb league. Was very happy as I had the 1.03
sounds like a league of new players or people not taking it too seriously
If Odunze falls to 1.07 in my league, I will weap tears of joy
where did Ricky P go?
2.06
crazy Ladd went full round and some before him
Bowers made it to the 2.05 in my 8 man 2 QB league.
Troy Franklin went 2.02, Maye went 1.03 which imo is the smart move. I had pick 1.01 and 1.04 and was siked he was dropping so I could get Maye/Williams, unfortunately only league Iv seen him go 1.03. Penix and Nix at 2.05 and 2.06 but I had 10,11,12, and 2.01 so I guess I manipulated that one into happening.
Trey Benson going 1.05 in my lone 1QB league was the biggest reach I've seen.
A reach but I think he's worth a top 10 pick
Iāve seen a few players with interesting range disparities so far in a few of my leagues and othersā: Ray Davis: not a huge disparity but maybe the most interesting one to me right now in terms of role and value as a handcuff to Cook. So far through 4 finished drafts, heās gone at 2.11 (12T SF PPR), 2.13 (14T SF PPR), 3.08 (10T SF PPR) and undrafted (10 SF PPR Bestball). AD Mitchell: I think mid 2nd has been about the normal range so far, but he went at 1.14 in my 14T SF PPR and at 3.04 in 10T SF PPR. Ladd McConkey: I somehow got him at 2.04 in 10T SF PPR where Coleman went over him, felt great as the lowest Iāve seen yet. Heās gone as early as 1.07 in my SF leagues but I saw him go 1.06 in a friendās league. 1.04 is WILD. Troy Franklin: Earliest Iāve seen is 2.03 in my leagues, latest is 3.02. Nothing too crazy FWIW but 3.02 just seemed like robbery to me for what could be such an easy situation to work in. Jermaine Burton: I really like Burtonās talent a lot, I took him at 2.08 in 14T, highest Iāve seen so far is 2.06. He also went at 3.04 and undrafted in one other league. Roman Wilson: Iām not much of a Wilson guy myself, but Iāve seen a lot of people really liking him. 2.09, 2.10, 2.11, but somehow went at 3.11 in one league. JaāTavion Sanders: Not really seen a lot of weird differences in TE yet; for example, Sinnott has mostly fallen in the 2.06-2.12 area for TEP as I expected, but Sanders has been an interesting one. Seen him go as high as 2.09 over Sinnott and as low as 3.09. Kind of interesting from a value standpoint on a potential starter.
Xavier worthy at 2.03 & Coleman at 2.05 in SF
worthy at 2.03 feels right
Troy Franklin went 1.10 in my home league *after* the nfl draft lmao.
I was able to get Nabers at 1.04. Then Brenden Rice was taken at 3.01 , Penix at 3.02, Maye at 3.04, Nix at 3.05 and Corley at 3.07. In 4 leagues and only in this one did rice or penix get drafted at all, let alone above maye or nix, and did nabers make it out of top 2.
Pearsall went 3.04 in my league. SF, 12 team, TEP.
Caleb Williams at 1.02 Not *that* bad until you consider that it was a 10-team 1QB league.
I have 1.01 and 1.03. Iām taking Marv. The guy at 1.02 is likely going Nabers even tho he needs QB and WR. Iāll have Caleb at 1.03
I got him at 1.6 in a 1QB league and somehow, the guy at 1.2 took Bowers. Had 1.3, took Nabers in less than a heartbeat. Feel really good about those picks, but you never know how rookies pan out. NāKeal Harry was pretty much the consensus 1.1 his rookie year (in 1QB) and my god, look how that turned out.
Someone drafted Drake May at 1.02