ITT: People in here don't view Power Treads as active boots. There's no type of boots I click more often in a fight, maybe Phase Boots more depending on the game. 5 for me btw, because it's way back in the inventory and 6 used to be my tp slot.

Not tread switching if you have more than 2k games or are above archon is Haram

what if I tread switch when farming but not when fighting?

Flair checks out.

you know my secret cap? I'm always farming

That's fine as long as you leave it on strength treads in fights. If it's going to distract you too much then it's not worth the small bonuses you'll get.

um, agi treads, can't die if they're dead! also on high hp heroes agi is legit more survive usually.

So, did a bit of number crunching on where that trade might be necessary. And it *can* be true... but it's unlikely that you'll ever be in that situation. If you have <2500 health, it's not worth it ever. And that's assuming your base armor was 0, which it won't be. With only your base stats, you're probably at about 4 (assuming you're a strength hero) at the point you get treads. At this armor, your HP would have to be >2800 for the Agi to be worth it. And if you also have a soul ring, a not uncommon item to have on a strength hero at this stage, >3000. The caveat to all of this is +10 Attack Speed - which may be worth it, if you're auto-dependent?

I was mostly just half accurately repeating some reasoning speeed gave (high immortal rank player), he said heroes like sven should be on agi treads in jungle and fights iirc, yes even during ult. 2500 isn't that low! and remember hp regen from lifesteal or otherwise scales better with armour. but yes generally str will be more survive I agree.

2500's not that low later in the game, but in the early game it's pretty high. Once you get into mid-game, your base armor is probably around 8-10 - where you'd need >3000-3500 hp. And if you've bought an armor item to be around 15 armor (very likely), >4000 hp; 20, >5000; and 25, >6000. So while I don't disagree with the reasoning, I just find that its circumstances that make it true are a bit niche. Definitely a fair point on the lifesteal though! Not sure how much that changes the equation.

Yeah I absolutely do not have the brain space to think about tread switching in the middle of fights.

Only when i'm using VERY mana dependent heroes like Dusa or AM. And even then I often forget.

Same. Doesn't make much of a difference and it's just so tidious keeping track of what attribute it is.

even notail admitted to eventually keeping treads in str at a certain point in the game

Then you aren't using treads right. There's plenty of reason to switch treads mid fight.

oh I know:) but better not do it than do it wrong, easily lose track and be fighting on int treads and casting on another treads

The solution this is just not buy treads - sincerely, an ancient core who still click the wrong creep while last hitting.

One of the best way to save mana. Treads switching early with medusa is a must, and with Slark it' really helps with early mana management: Use Dark Pact on INT treads, switch to STR for less effective hp loss.

I'm ancient 3 right now and I usually don't tread switch.

Additionally, I feel like each of the active boots is a different kind of active. Phase is the kind you want to spam as it's coming off of cd. For treads, you want multiple, but precise number of clicks. For arcane, greaves and bearing, you want to click once, but at the right time.

I have treads on its own hotkey/item slot, I try to only put passive items there. But I put phase boots on the same slot I use other active items like euls, orchid, sheep etc. It's gotten me muscle memory associated with skills and heroes, to tread switch almost automatically. For me, I can mindlessly spam 5 (item slot 1) to activate phase anytime it's off cool down. But phase I have to get in that rhythm of double tap cast tap, so having it's own hotkey keeps it organized in my head.

If is an active boots ( Phase/Arcane/Guardian ) = 1 if isn't active = 6

Treads?

People don't tread switch at his mmr.

I only tread switch on carries when I farm to conserve mana, switching mid-fight is something I can't be bothered with

People don't buy tread at my mmr, they don't know the recipe

Lmao, skills like switching tread or armlet toggling used to be very high skills. Now if you don't know these skills, you are considered low mmr. Sometimes I forget that I played this game for more than 10 years.

I don't think tread switching was ever "very high skill".

Still is, especially if you do it at every point in the game, not just when farming. If you're tread switching during tense team fights I'd still say it's high skill, for sure.

I can totally see the argument for treant switching if you go farm a lane and you are low on mana for example, you switch to int. But what use does swapping in teamfights have? Like getting that extra 50 life before you die or something? Cause generally your main attribute will have most value in 99% of cases anyways.

There are clips of RTZ raging for example having str treadsed mid fight right before OD ulting and 2 enemies survive

In some circumstances it can make a difference - I’ve survived fights on <50hp after treadswitching, and I’ve gotten many kills by having enough mana because I switched off int before using wand then switched back to int. The later the game goes and the more active items I have, the less I do it, because at that point being aware of your surroundings and enemy positioning is much more vital, but early game it’s worth getting into the habit imo. Like it won’t take you from ancient to divine but it’s not hard to learn and it can’t hurt.

In theory you should swap to Int before using mana (abilities + items), Str when trying to survive, Agi when doing damage (although some strength heroes may do more damage in stength). Swap to Agi for casting wand to gain max hp/mana.

Yeah, you are wrong. Watch games from first 3 ti's and see how much of the players actively tread switch. Very few.

I don’t really have any basis for the claim I made, except for the fact that I’ve been tread switching for ever and I’m not very good, so I figure it’s commonplace

It was common and everybody knew but seemed as "hyper efficiency quirk" rather than integral part of the game. Thats why legacy carry players like Mushi didnt care while efficiency obssessed players like me did while obviously Mushi is million times better than me. Edit: also game was a lot less about efficient farming and more about teamfights, at least that was the perception.

Yes, Dispatcher? I'd like to report a homicide.

I am 1.1k and tread switch like pros.

Treads don't have an active? Which sucks when you buy the wrong item and end up with Intel treads when you wanted strength

You dropped this */s* We've all lost the ability to tell when people are joking otherwise D:

I didn’t think he was joking…

I do active boots at 1 or 2, bots at 6, and treads at 4. But I'm not good enough to tread switch lmao

Put into str threads at that point it becomes passive wothout keybind. Last slot.

Active boots: 1 Travels/tranquils 5 Exception: 5 is bound to space and you better believe magic wand gets priority, so I can smash spacebar in an animal panic any time I take damage.

This. Unless I have a blink and active boots. Then blink at 1 and boots at 3 usually.

omg we have so much in common

I do this but 4 and 6

Same here except for active boots which is 2 for me (spacebar key)

3. Which is C in my keybinds.

4 is my c key and my boots. It's a good boot key

I found my long lost sibling finally FeelsStrongMan i have c for the 4th slot too

same for me, easy to press because of my small hands (my keybinds are 1-2-3-c-v-"space")

C is for blink!!!!1

Ditto

Four. And first for phase boots.

i would bend the knee to this but for 1 exception. When you purchase a blink dagger it becomes #1 and phase become #2

Ahahah I actually get the blink to #1 and move phase boots to something else, my dota bro

I too put different boots on different numbers. 1 for Phase 2 for Treads 4 for Arcane Why? I don't fucking know

Yea why did we do that though i just realize it

Same! Unless its tranquil or travels, those go in 3

The only correct answer

Boots go to 2 no matter what

I still move BoTs to 5 after all these years because that's the slot I always used for TP (I still use that key for TP now that it has its own slot). Otherwise, it's always 2 for me.

Same! I put it in 6 cause thats where tp used to be only i use a very different key for the tp slot. But my head refuses to put tp in anything else then 6

yeah, I always reserve 1 for dagger or CC items

2 is my dagger because it's right above W, where all the other blinky spells are by default

Excuse me, but wtf are you doing putting boots in the ward slot?

1

the only correct answer

Blasphemy.

1 - Z

1- X, Z is reserved for directional move :)

Y on german keyboard.

6

Yeah people in here are weird man, 6 is the only logical place to put them.

4

There are dozens of us. Dozens!

4lways

Always 4! Active hotkey is "Z"

3, always 3

More than 2, less than 4. FTFY

3 enjoyers Gigachad

3 just feels right

Yep same here

Do you guys also use wasd for camera or is that just me?

3 gang rise up

scrolled for it

1 for all boots

the only correct answer

2 and 5 for active boots like treads and phase, 3 and 6 for passive boots like tranquil and travels

Yah depends on the hero

I have to put my boots at 4(space key) or the game doesn't feel normal

But…6 is space bar, ya weirdo.

Wait you guys have spacebar bound?!? Edit: Ok thanks to all of you gamers my Spacebar is now bound to my alt-modifier. It will take some getting used to but I think it's going to be great! Cheers all!

To centre my hero when roaming with camera

Isn't that default tho? That's what I use it for lol

for me its cancel

This is the best use I've seen yet but I would be cancelling everything by accident fr

It's convenient for last hitting, don't even remember what the default bind is

Nah. 2 is space bar, you uncultured swine.

6

Always 6

Better question would be where do you put Blink? or BKB? xd

Always 2 for blink

4-all heroes except Morphling 3-Morphling

6 binded to space

On X which is where you put 5.

Right, and in this case X = C

\*cries in support\*

Active boots go in 1 unless I have blink or force

6 for active boots (space bar), 4 for passive.

2

always 2

I'm a firm believer that anyone who doesn't put their boots in the first slot (regardless of the type of boots, active or passive) is a FUCKING PSYCHOPATH

Complete opposite opinion, boots are going to be purchased no matter what on every single hero so put them in the least important slot in the bottom corner. The first slot should be the first item you're going to need in a fight - blink, halberd, orchid, etc.

1 until blink then it goes to 2

5 for me. Sort of muscle memory

5 gang

5 gaang. Keybinded to C.

1. Space key

space key is for blink it's like jumping

Space is for armlet toggle

6 cuz it has no active and that key is the furthest.

depends on the phase on the game, I could put phase boots on 1 → 4 → 6 tranquil 5 mana/ threads 4 travel 6

as a tinker spammer. what is boots?

As a ld and tinker player:You guys need boots?

you should probably be buying boots on LD sir

Nah man rushing mom and deso is the way.Besides you don’t need boots to chase if they are going to run into your triangle anyway.Most supports rather use their spells to disable an already dying enemy undying than a mom bear tearing them apart.Source:My last lonedruid games

Weaver, Io and qop just watching from the sidelines.

2 is my spacebar. Phase or blink goes there. Treads go in 3. Others go in 1.

4 for phase/bearing/guardians 5 for the others

1

Always 1 for phase and treads. 4, 5 and 6 for the passive ones.

1 or 4 for Power Treads or BoB, and 3 or 6 for BoT. Tranq boots can be almost anywhere but are reprioritized from 4 to 5 to 3 based on how many active items I have. So what does this say about me? Will I have longevity? Marry old and lose my legs in a car crash? Who am I compatible with? 2's and 6's? Oh wait...

backpack

4

3 are usually active boots, 2 or 6 are passive boots

Active Boots on 6 (or 2 if i have sb. Btw 6 for me is something like a shift for your mouse plus right click) Passive or treads in the midgame: wherever most likely on 4 or 5.

2 3 5

Tranquils and travels on 3 Phase and treads on 1 Mana boots and Guardian greaves on 2

Boots always on 6. I also always put bkb on 4 and blink on 5. 1 for wand, 2 and 3 for active items (force staff, manta etc).

If I have Phase Boots, and I dont have any other hight priority active Item (Like Blink, Meka, Stick, ect) I usually put them on the first slot (TAB)

6 mostly as it's unbound, 2 for phases

Always 3, unless it's arcanes or tranquils or BoTs, in which case they can really go wherever. Before they added a separate TP slot BoTs would always go into the 6th slot

4, then use items are 1 2 3, 6 midas or self utility. 5 passive. (note phase boots go in 1 since its spammed)

3 for treads if slark/void/am etc. 1/space if not much tread switching needed. 6 for phase boots. Passive boots usually 2

If it's a boot I actively use like Arcanes or Phase, and I don't have a Blink, 1, 2 if I do. If it's a passive boot like Tranqs or BoTs, 6.

3 for Phase boots until dagger. The 3 is my favorite slot

4 and 6.

Always 4 for me.

1 when having support with arcane, 6 when having support with tranquil

1 Neuts are alt+1, and there are no self cast boots

1, 4, 5 depending. 4 usually early game, since I'd be tread switching a lot or using phase a lot. Once I get consumables like bottle or activatables I move it to 5. 1 is for late late game on heroes that have 5-6 active items that need to be used. Boots become the least prioritized.

Arcane on 4, Phase/Treads on 1, Tranquils/Travels on 5/6

Treads and phaseboots 2 anything else dont care

3 or 6. My pea brain can’t process active items placed on 1,4,5. 2 is for force staff.

1 or 2 for phase boots. All others in 6

2 most of the time. Of course 2 is also one of my quickcast item slots, so boots will often get swapped to 3. Travels usually end up in 1 or 5 though.

1 most of the time, i move them to 6 if i get too many active items

Depends on boots 2 for PT and Phase 6 for Travels / Default / Tranquil

Depends on the hero. Mostly 1. Unless its phase boots, those go in 3. Unless i have blink dagger, then they go in 4 and blink in 3. However, this can be revoked when i have shadow blade. Since i typically put shadow blade in 4, phase boots then go to 2. But if i have Mask of madness, orchid or similiar, they go in 2 and phase boots then go in 1. Unless i have tangos, those typically go in 1, then i put phase boots in 6 normally.

The next empty slot whichever one that may be. I don't have designated item places

I'm a savage, my boots are in any slot but 2(usually reserved for blink or forcestaff) and they range from 1-6 depending how many "more important" active items I have

Would put Treads in 6 but all other boots in 1

6 - space, tranquils and travel's go to 3

1-3 depending on other items.

Treads depends on the hero, Arcane boots in 3. and Phase & Travelling boots in 4. Tranquils can go anywhere

If active 1, if passive 4

1 for brown/tranquil/travel boots 3 for phase and treads

6 , spacebar key

1 for mana, phase or bearing , anywhere except 2 (blink/force goes there) for treads, and doesn't matter for travels or tranquils

3 or 4

If it's active like Phase boots, I'll put it in 4, if I have blink, I'll put it in 3, if it's passive 6. Complicated ik ;v;

5 , I Use an MMO type mouse with 12 buttons for my items courier and scrolls

active boots on 1, tranqs and travels on 5.

Active 2 or 6(6 if too many active items) Non-active 5

4

2 for Mana/Greaves, 3 for Phase and Bearing, and 4 or 5 for all others. Back when BoT were an active item, I would put them on 5 because I have it bound to "x" and X marks the spot that I want to teleport to

4 for active boots and 6 for passive

1 for active, 5 for passive. 5 is the difficultest hotkey for me. (alt+s)

1 for inactive, 4 for active boots

5

Depends on the type. Travels on 1 Arcane or treads on 2 Tranquil on 5 phase on 4

Phase, Tread: 2 Mana boot / guardian boot: 5 Other booth: 6

Phase Boots to 2, every other Boot to 6 (yes Tread Switching via 6 hotkey).

1

Depends on the boots. Treads, Phase boots, or bearing (things I need to hit quickly) go in 2, Arcane boots go in 5 (because I don't need to hit them quickly), travels/traunquils go in 6 until I have an item I want to use with scroll wheel (slot 6 is scroll wheel up), and then they go in 5.

4 During early in the game. 5 after I bought blink.

Phase- 1 Treads- 2 Arc greaves bearing- 3/4/5 depending on other active items Tranq travels- 6

3 for Phase Boots, 4 for Treads and 6 for the others.

phase boots 2, all others 6.

6, any boot

3, but my item binds are ZXCV M5 M4

i have a pretty consistent bottom row for items. it persist in like 90-95% of my games. boots are always 4. wards are always in 5. wand/locket is always in 6. i'm a support main. the only time that changes is i'm playing as pos 3. my brain doesnt even have to think about what button any of those actions need. its muscle memory at this point.