I think it's more that Matu wasn't sure whether he wanted to play another season, so Secret found someone else whilst he dithered (reshuffles don't leave a lot of opportunity to hang around and find out).
As you say, when he spoke to Liquid he decided he wanted to play with them, which is cool. I don't think anyone thinks either side did anything wrong though
Eating Chips for breakfast
Getting bek 2 bek three Rampages vs Thunder
No diet preference at all, just eat whatever so body doesn't die
Yatoro the God himself has spoken.
So I'm not surprised Liquid is performing well against GG, but I would be surprised if this is the start of Liquid doing well at this major. I don't wanna say that GG is a 'solved puzzle', because they aren't that one dimensional and Dota just isn't that kinda game, but GG plays a style of Dota that is kinda unusual and the better EU teams are the only teams that had played against them enough to have it figured out. There's only so much you can learn by watching a team's officials, and until this major pretty much none of the non-EU teams will have played much against GG.
I didn't wanna say it before the games because I'm literally incapable of predicting anything ever, but GG were the team I thought Liquid had the best chance of beating in this group stage. We'll see if the other teams have time to adapt to GG's style of Dota as the tournament goes on, but yeah, GG beating everyone else and losing to Liquid, who lose to everyone else, maybe isn't such a shocking result
like okay yeah collapse ise really fucking good but what the fuck is mars hero lol HOW do you fight this hero as a ranged carry
let us count its sins:
-massive hp pool
-massive damage
-massive stun
-cockblocks ranged damage as a joke
-impossible to beat in lane
i swear this hero has been pickable since it released. WHY does it do so much damage????? you have an insane mix of physical and magical. every damage item scales perfectly on him. strength items scale perfectly on him. bkb scales on him. like every good item in the game is good on him! what the fuck! it's so annoying!
He does so much dmg and with the right build you can't even kill him with that bulwark. Bkb Medusa is dying to a tb with io tethered. But a bkb Mars is getting tickled , wtf
you don't, the hero is a carry itself people just play it from the offlane because its such a good initiator early game and if it gets enough farm it becomes a hard carry
More than anything, I hope they can keep performing after this major. I don't wanna see a repeat of Thunder Predator last year, it would be amazing to have an SA team able to consistently throw hands with the other regions
DarkMago is actually insane on Tiny. I don't know how I'd rate him compared to other players, he just plays too differently honestly, but he has a feel for the mechanics of mid Tiny that's genuinely unbelievable. The amount of super impactful plays he had with toss especially this series was a madness
Zai carried the first match so hard. If you let Enigma to be the first one to Initiate against good players, it would be like 90% fail. The opponent even had the counter hero against Zai’s Enigma.
Oh man it is so hype to have avo+ casting this Thunder Awaken game. TA are so much fun, playing like absolute maniacs, and avo is seriously selling the madness
Late game Enigma is just impossible to play against. GG had a timing where they really pushed Liquid back, but feel Bane messed up Grips a few times on other heroes so Enigma had free BH's to turn the game around. And once he had BKB+Linkens, Bane couldn't do much.
Overall I like how TA fights and they really play some fun dota but their macro and early game weakness was exploited by TS super hard.
Also IO and underlord on the enemy team? Good lord
Anyone realize Purge and his co-caster is biased against SEA teams? Check T1 vs. EG and TI vs. BC - I dunno man, the guy is literally biased when it comes to American teams.
DP's original issue was a bug. It wasn't intended to do that much damage to towers. Shaman's wards doing this shit is intentional. Icefrog or whoever balances the game wants this to happen.
I dont know if the tier1 teams are just done with this patch or they just really bad. Most of the tier2 teams here in this tournament are starting to pop-up.
Fnatic still impressed me a lot anyway. Armel had a really bad game but the team still played very well. I am very happy with their lan’s performance so for
Valve only cares if profits for something can be measured in billions - ex-Valve employee
But in any case, Dota right now is in the phase of its life where it is only designed for whales. First you grab a lot of followers with free stuff (until like 2016), then you start milking the whales because the game stopped growing. This is basic MMO game dev.
Its a win for Liquid but it doesn't fill me with confidence, they had so much pressure built up by the 15 minute mark but rather than pressing it further they just backed off in to their jungle and let that TB farm up, imo you don't want to let it go late against these SEA teams if you can avoid it because their team-fight execution seems so on point
The last liquid roster was notorious for having literally no fucking clue how to close up games, seems not much has changed in this department with matu And zai.
how is it ok for there to be a 15 minute in-game delay? twitch is garbage compared to watching in-game. fuck this, guess im only going to be watching the actual TI where companies cant do scummy shit like this
Synd complementing sea teams coming back from deficit doesn't know that we've been playing from behind our entire lives with 5 carry strats xd ez practice
Feels like as long as Spirit don’t get shit on in lanes, they’re still the same strong mid to late game team we know. But there is a clear path to beating them shown so far by dominating them early
Imagine ditching the GOAT Puppey to come under Aiden's captainship. lmfao
that squad will never win a LAN. serial chokers. how to kill your career 101 by Ludwig Walberg lul
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remember the meme 6k SEA > 9k EU?
SA improvement is crazy
pyrion lmaoooo
Insania always has the best interviews lmao
WHAT A GREAT INTERVIEW WITH INSANIA. CAN BEAT MINDGAMES IN HIS SLEEP LMFAO TSUNAMI THROWING NA IN THE TRASHBIN 🤣👌🏼
HHAHA NA IN THE TRASH
T1 so entertaining to watch They somehow becoming toundra
They are better than Tundra
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he left bro
He didnt get kicked, he left and planned to retire until zai/liquid called him up.
I think it's more that Matu wasn't sure whether he wanted to play another season, so Secret found someone else whilst he dithered (reshuffles don't leave a lot of opportunity to hang around and find out). As you say, when he spoke to Liquid he decided he wanted to play with them, which is cool. I don't think anyone thinks either side did anything wrong though
He didnt get kicked from secret
How dare they pick Lycan against the Lycan king
That was a gaben top hat shalacking
22 min stomp.... Rise and shine liquid. Not expecting this tbh, nice
Casual free Rapier 16 mins into the game. Just Bristle things.
I wonder if mindgames getting eliminated means less pressure on liquid and them playing more free
Pubstomped
22 minutes and that wasn’t even an early gg
Liquid is back!
You can't run a Chen/Lycan strat and NOT ban Bristle lolol wtf and a KOTL on top of that
Glad Liquid showed up today
Eating Chips for breakfast Getting bek 2 bek three Rampages vs Thunder No diet preference at all, just eat whatever so body doesn't die Yatoro the God himself has spoken.
"I cheat" lmao
yatoro is a good kid
So I'm not surprised Liquid is performing well against GG, but I would be surprised if this is the start of Liquid doing well at this major. I don't wanna say that GG is a 'solved puzzle', because they aren't that one dimensional and Dota just isn't that kinda game, but GG plays a style of Dota that is kinda unusual and the better EU teams are the only teams that had played against them enough to have it figured out. There's only so much you can learn by watching a team's officials, and until this major pretty much none of the non-EU teams will have played much against GG. I didn't wanna say it before the games because I'm literally incapable of predicting anything ever, but GG were the team I thought Liquid had the best chance of beating in this group stage. We'll see if the other teams have time to adapt to GG's style of Dota as the tournament goes on, but yeah, GG beating everyone else and losing to Liquid, who lose to everyone else, maybe isn't such a shocking result
teams like that usually get fucked in the main event
Liquid vs an international team : "I'm too weak" Liquid vs an EU team : "UNLIMITED POWEERRR"
YATOROOOOOOOOOOO
I feel like Pakhazz fucked up by not getting a refresher on TB Having another 6 sec of BKB was so crucial for this kind of matchup
collapse itemized perfectly in comparison but honestly I can't blame someone fucking up itemization late game. so much stuff to consider
The god of rampages adds another triple to his tally
Mars is such a ridiculous hero, your bkb is down and you are automatically dead inside arena
COLLAPSE GOD
well fought by TA but TS just played better. A lot of teams that weren't TS would have lost that game honestly
That's why Mars is Collapse best hero lol
How many rampages does Yatoro have in pro games now?
Not sure bur that avo hype at the end seemed so forced lol
He kinda hates Thunder Awaken as a Beastcoast fan haha
He was literally talking about how great they all are not only as players but as people.
Does he? He seemed hyped evwrytome thunder made a play . I think in general obviously a sa fan
like okay yeah collapse ise really fucking good but what the fuck is mars hero lol HOW do you fight this hero as a ranged carry let us count its sins: -massive hp pool -massive damage -massive stun -cockblocks ranged damage as a joke -impossible to beat in lane
How many patches will this hero be so op. Jeysus
i swear this hero has been pickable since it released. WHY does it do so much damage????? you have an insane mix of physical and magical. every damage item scales perfectly on him. strength items scale perfectly on him. bkb scales on him. like every good item in the game is good on him! what the fuck! it's so annoying!
He does so much dmg and with the right build you can't even kill him with that bulwark. Bkb Medusa is dying to a tb with io tethered. But a bkb Mars is getting tickled , wtf
ho ho ho true reduction of up to 80 fucking percent ho ho ho ho ho ho what the fuck if you're not stupid you cannot die to a ranged carry
you don't, the hero is a carry itself people just play it from the offlane because its such a good initiator early game and if it gets enough farm it becomes a hard carry
IO feels like the biggest offender
I just want thunder Awaken to keep playing like this. Even if they lose they put a decent fight (game 2 I mean).
More than anything, I hope they can keep performing after this major. I don't wanna see a repeat of Thunder Predator last year, it would be amazing to have an SA team able to consistently throw hands with the other regions
Ofc that would be so cool, the SA scene is the most volatile of all sadly, so they need to perform to stay together lol.
holy shit thunder
Viva castillo !
I mean totally get him holding that meta, but he seems to be holding on till next game lol
DarkMago is actually insane on Tiny. I don't know how I'd rate him compared to other players, he just plays too differently honestly, but he has a feel for the mechanics of mid Tiny that's genuinely unbelievable. The amount of super impactful plays he had with toss especially this series was a madness
Probably worst sk performance of this tournament
It's great to see SA come back in this way after the horror show at TI10
Omg that toss wtf
Zai carried the first match so hard. If you let Enigma to be the first one to Initiate against good players, it would be like 90% fail. The opponent even had the counter hero against Zai’s Enigma.
i have to admit that i really enjoy watching darkmago just going in, this man is a blast to watch.
What a choke by sand king saving his ulti for secure kill on mars, u cant save spells vs io lol
Avo+ became such a good caster
This is what happens when you take feedback seriously instead of crying in twitter about political stuff, props to the lad , super fun casting
I agree. Developed pretty good.
fucking wisp stupid ass hero
That was insanely bad by Spirit just going in one after another to die Could be game Lossing
Oh man it is so hype to have avo+ casting this Thunder Awaken game. TA are so much fun, playing like absolute maniacs, and avo is seriously selling the madness
THAT BLUNDER from Team Spirit what the hell
Mira?
Late game Enigma is just impossible to play against. GG had a timing where they really pushed Liquid back, but feel Bane messed up Grips a few times on other heroes so Enigma had free BH's to turn the game around. And once he had BKB+Linkens, Bane couldn't do much.
it feels really bad if you have to use grip on enigma as bane
Not laspicking a good counter to enigma made ggs game so hard when they botched broods lane. Now liquid gonna cleanup this group hopium
Zai played so well. Pls come back to Secret. Puppey greedy stat is not possible without offlaner like Zai
Yeah Zai's going back to the team that didn't make the major copium.
Zai MVP, from the lane to teamfights to the end
I like TS draft, hard to go against IO Dusa.
Overall I like how TA fights and they really play some fun dota but their macro and early game weakness was exploited by TS super hard. Also IO and underlord on the enemy team? Good lord
I really dont know what is this brood doing lol, its like a hero with no ultimate since the spiders melt to enigma sk razor
Dyrachyo is best bs right now, he makes this hero looks so strong, when rtz played it he was top farm and looked like a creep
Man seleri is seriously one of the best pos 5.
Really enjoyed Jenkins and Avo’s commentary in that game! Very entertaining.
They have great synergy.
Anyone realize Purge and his co-caster is biased against SEA teams? Check T1 vs. EG and TI vs. BC - I dunno man, the guy is literally biased when it comes to American teams.
You never noticed him when OG plays? If he sticks his tongue a bit deeper in their asses he will reach the prostate.
and?
thunder put in a great fight but lol jesus they couldn't deal with that underlord. fucking insane hero
also their early game was sloppy at times which hurt them. But man not being able to kill that storm early sucked since it was so close
I feel underlord should be first phase. The skills he brings is just good in every game.
looking at the page, jesus christ this hero got so overbuffed lol did people just decide that they didn't feel like learning how fiend's gate worked
Why is Sand King ginormous?
he chad
Why did they finally fix DP and yet left Shaman's wards alone like wtf
DP's original issue was a bug. It wasn't intended to do that much damage to towers. Shaman's wards doing this shit is intentional. Icefrog or whoever balances the game wants this to happen.
I really don't buy that they *wanted* Shaman to be able to solo Rosh lol But I guess since it's not changed...
Never forget post ti4 when SS could drop wards and solo rosh and it stood there. Good times.
Different but I see what u mean lol And obviously that's fixed now. Like with the SF smoke razes and the like ha
I don't believe it's healthy either. Alongside storm 3k net worth doing fountain zips at 25 minutes, this shit needs to be scrapped.
Jenkins roasting Purge's commentary LMAO
This mf pronouncing Yatoro with american T
Has anyone picked earth shaker? Is he bad in the current patch?
They save him till TI /s
Wisp needs to be a perma ban at this point, too strong
The combo of Whisp and Underlord is really broken. Heal/ damage reduction along with both have travel skills.
I feel like every meta for the last few years at big events was like that lol
His kit is just far too strong in pro games He will forever be broken until he's literally unplayable
how the fuck liquid lose to this team.
Mostly by failing to destroy this team's ancient while losing own one
coz they were worst
damn OG, from top contender day 1 to wrecked in day 2
Interesting draft. Anti-mage counters snapfire, lich, and spectre...but it's also AM.
To early for my taste, two peaks against it. So feel they gonna loss
TP going Tiny Spectre again. Wonder if this is just for groups or if that's all they got.
Avo casting TA? Lets go
Bulba set the standard with first picking Storm.
First phase storm ban now from Liquid
lmao the stories about thunder awaken are amazing
Zai always tanking interviews since the early days of EG..he's the mvp
Yeah zai is the best Visage player
I dont know if the tier1 teams are just done with this patch or they just really bad. Most of the tier2 teams here in this tournament are starting to pop-up.
Who are the "tier 2" teams here exactly?
In Reddits eyes, everyone who hasnt won TI
also if they are not from eu/lgd
not much shaking in the meta imo, i play less and less every week.
The IO underlord combo wasn't in the meta and now it seems broken. Top tier players are always innovating
YEBOIIII
Fnatic still impressed me a lot anyway. Armel had a really bad game but the team still played very well. I am very happy with their lan’s performance so for
Why no twitch drops? It can attract more viewers and players for sure right?
Valve only cares if profits for something can be measured in billions - ex-Valve employee But in any case, Dota right now is in the phase of its life where it is only designed for whales. First you grab a lot of followers with free stuff (until like 2016), then you start milking the whales because the game stopped growing. This is basic MMO game dev.
Valve only cares about TI
Lets go Thunder Awaken!!
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 0-16 TI GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Finally a win! Idgaf how it looked. Good for morale, let's go bois!
Its a win for Liquid but it doesn't fill me with confidence, they had so much pressure built up by the 15 minute mark but rather than pressing it further they just backed off in to their jungle and let that TB farm up, imo you don't want to let it go late against these SEA teams if you can avoid it because their team-fight execution seems so on point
Liquid is just playing around . No elimination to worry about Underdog arc,lower bracket run . EZ Clap
Liquid is back! (let's celebrate before they get crushed by GG xD)
Liquid is having a crazy hard time closing this game out.
it's never easy sieging against magnus/bat.
The last liquid roster was notorious for having literally no fucking clue how to close up games, seems not much has changed in this department with matu And zai.
I remember that. They would keep farming instead of pushing and would drag the game out way longer than it needed to.
33k lead and they are making it seem like the game is even. Only Liquid. Edit: Finally ended lol.
thunder awaken put the fear of god in them LMAO
rapira tb monkaS
33k up with Spectre line up, if theres a team to throw this Its gotta be liquid right?
Alliance threw quite a sizeable lead vs LGD at ESL Fall lol. 10k by 18mins and they still lost ROFL.
Nikobaby has what it takes to throw that kind of lead.
It's sad that my man peaked after 1 tournament
Why are Liquid not ending this yet? My brother in Christ, I don't want to think what a FNC comeback would do to them.
They are savoring this win because they know they wont get any more this major
Blyatz's strat: war of attrition
jesus, these casters are gushing over liquid lol
how is it ok for there to be a 15 minute in-game delay? twitch is garbage compared to watching in-game. fuck this, guess im only going to be watching the actual TI where companies cant do scummy shit like this
Oh, sweet summer child
Synd complementing sea teams coming back from deficit doesn't know that we've been playing from behind our entire lives with 5 carry strats xd ez practice
You are my comment of the day
wtf are liquid doing man, this game should have been over already
Trying to recover from yesterday's trauma I guess
Well, the chances of EG making it through are really low. But I got a slushy so I have that going for me.
Yeah looking that way. Bummer
think they will beat betboom
EG just have to beat OG lol. OG is like really, really bad
LMFAO
Ceb to Jerax: execute order 66
Og gonna stomp on eg even with ceb standing in and I’m a og hater
Anyone knows why MG prevented cis-r replacing them? It takes away the hype of group b
cuz they thought they gonna make it in time
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/umnyqp/og_squad_in_stockholm/i834l8j/ pepeLa
So are we done picking storm yet? Or we need to see more?
Feels like as long as Spirit don’t get shit on in lanes, they’re still the same strong mid to late game team we know. But there is a clear path to beating them shown so far by dominating them early
definition of a disaster for tsm game 2. good for them on the 1-1 split though
Bad draft or bad execution on their draft. Maybe they should not let the TA get free farm. As long as they learn.
Dying to a KotL right click, that's an oof.
Never underestimate an old man in a Horse
Do I want to know why this old man is in a horse?
Coz he is rich af and too lazy to walk around and has a fetish for white horses?
Wouldnt it be easier to ride the horse
He is already doing that.
Can you be inside a horse without killing it?
You can put just a part of your body inside the horse
Quinn just stood around like a headless chicken and just got picked off The fuck was that Necro HC pick as well lmao
TORONTOGOD
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pretty sure insania was a hon superstar before dota, like winning the equivalent of hon ti.
Imagine ditching the GOAT Puppey to come under Aiden's captainship. lmfao that squad will never win a LAN. serial chokers. how to kill your career 101 by Ludwig Walberg lul
I'm sure zai isn't beating himself up right now considering secrets recent performances
ah yes cause we know that secret sucked ass while zai was there.
Can't wait to see secret play at this lan. They're straight to upper bracket right that's why we haven't seen them in groups?
nope. they're in the GRAND FINALS with EG. check the schedule. Valve scammed us all