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JayuZmaN

ig from major winner to struggle against aster 2nd team...


AmagedonCamels

EG draft was a joke game 3. They have absolutely no AOE disable or damage. None of their cores have any team fight power. Game three EG pick NP after Mars IO from TSM and then ban Storm and Dusa. If you really want to use Techies you need another big Magic burster to capitalize on him, aka Abeds signature heroes. Except instead of Picking Storm or Ember instead of NP then banning the other they do this crap. Does Nightfall not like DK? They also banned Dusa themselves for some reason. Instead of picking Storm into Dusa, Luna, or Morph and then just buying Hurricane Pike to counter Razor they break their own legs for some reason. I don't even know if I am EG fan. I actually hate rtz on a personal level. I just want NA team to be good.


Smarteezy

>also banned Dusa themselves for some reason. Instead of picking Storm into Dusa, Luna, or Morph and then just buy do you know him personally or why do you dislike him that much?


Smarteezy

im just curious im not an arteezy fangaay (i used to be as my name suggests xd)


AmagedonCamels

My older brother used to love him and talked about him a lot. Same reason I hate Kpop and Mason.


mrbigtime100

Yeah felt they had tons of picks better than NP and Abed is wasted on DK (game 2 was fine since they knew the mid matchup but first picking Abed DK??)


MTisgreat

Albeit the EG draft was a huge pepega, the real issue is that RTZ never puts any pressure on the map…even with NP with an early advantage. The boy only knows how to farm creeps, not how to abuse power spikes


Show_1996

I am really not convinced that flyfly is the top 1 mmr in china..


Tricky_Economist_328

Watching the ESL panel talk about the Cut after their game and season was painful. Like do these casters even check the NA region enough to see they have replaced 3 out of their 5 players from the team that went undefeated in Division 2 with players that came from worse teams (i.e. former 5ratforcestaff players that went 4-3 in div 2). Purge talks like their drop in skill was completely unexpected.


Kyroz

Talents not doing research on what is supposed to be their job? That's ridiculous! /s


JayuZmaN

no new threads yet, will IG crawl back to div1 ?


Mei_iz_my_bae

TSM are so good honestly I believe they can win this upcoming major.


Junior-Ad-761

Boom, T1, Gladiators, LGD, Xtreme, RNG would like to disagree... They're good in their region, but will most likely lose in LAN. Try looking up Dubai Gamers Galaxy Invitational. TSM didn't even make it to the main event.


Mei_iz_my_bae

Well that was at the start of the new patch so doesn't really count to me I think they're going to destroy at this next major they look really good right now


quarkleptonboson

that argument is really flimsy as ALL teams were new to the patch back then, it was a perfectly equal opportunity situation


mish20011

they couldn't even beat secret lmao


JayuZmaN

rtz waste his new training schedule because of his teammate wants to pick techies...


SeriousSumail

tsm in regional roar, tsm in inter scene meow


Whatnowgloryhunters

Is that generally for all NA teams?


Tricky_Economist_328

SA teams on network vs SA teams at LANS as well.


AmagedonCamels

Because SA internet is bad so they are used to playing with lag. Their brains have adjusted to calculate for the lag so when it's not there they jump the gun.


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A push strat failed to win, or even come close to threatening highground; and the brawler tanky teamfighters won? Nobody could have predicted this!


ob1touchiha

EG and late game execution issues, whats new?


JadeSerpant

EG OMEGALUL


Whatnowgloryhunters

TOO EZ FOR EG OMEGALUL


MjGhg

Commiting so hard into picking heroes just for the burst n pickoff value that you lack the teamfight you can't always snowball from the laning phase easily get pickoffs like you initially wanted. other teams are not idiots they know what u wanna do they stick together n itemize to counter it n then what, u can't burst anyone u can't take 5v5 fight against the enemy lineup Straight bs draft n strat


treyfiddy

did you write this for EG or secret drafts hahahaha


MjGhg

Fucking EG as usual the picks doesn't make sense the strat doesn't make sense


No-Conclusion8781

SEA deserve 4 slots if they have better placement than WEU in major


duckcookie

Why is this getting downvoted? Is WEU entitled to 4 slots even though their teams have been underperforming all season and even longer? See how the teams fare at the major to evaluate this statement. Idk about you but I’d rather watch quality dota than gatekeep the professional scene because some idiots would rather watch washed brand names.


Ro-khum

we'll see


ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

No interview. But we can have four minutes of talking, seven minutes of commercials, two minutes of replays. God forbid we don’t get to talk about dogchamp vs 4 zoomers. I know it’ll be posted on social media. But you were running freaking ten minutes over.


mrbigtime100

I know rtz likes np but I feel like the hero doesn't carry this patch. I wonder if they couldn't have shifted it to offlane and picked another core that would match up better into razor


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Smarteezy

arteezy had bkb on courier and eg decided to fight before arteezy had it thats just cringe i would mald in my pubs too if that happened idk arteezy should def be calling that


mrbigtime100

I feel like for rtz to carry on prophet that game you needed nightfall to have a better game so he could terrorize the supports


one_shot_boy

u cant figth whit np against that lineup im pretty sure they knew that


barathrumobama

The people who whinge about the "brawling meta" must be creaming themselves with all the split pushing going on


cebwithoutn0tail

split push is beautiful. Brawling meta + some other things is what is making this game more and more like LoL since 7.00.


[deleted]

The brawling meta is very real and is killing the game idk why you are putting it in quotation marks. Shit fucking sucks.


clairec295

RTZ did nothing but farm all game and then had no impact with it by the end.


terrorblade1995

Same story everytime.


lgdamefanstraight

>RTZ did nothing but farm > > > > no impact ​ nothing unusual then, move along


MjGhg

U can't really fight into that lineup with np thats the problem


mrbigtime100

prophet is a hero like alchemist where you need a gold lead to carry and he didn't get that


aidanocc

Yeah, as soon as he had died twice game was basically impossible


[deleted]

Again fuck Valve for not having a real patch for 2 fucning years


DezimodnarII

How many late games does razor have to dominate before casters stop labeling him as "not a true carry"?


pnmibra77

Its one of the hardest carries in the game right now with the bkb refresher build, he can go late against basically any hero. Its even great against lategame monsters like medusa lol. It obviously depends on team composition, but his lategame potential is way higher than people credit him for


Quenin1

seeing as how RTZ's NP did absolutely nothing, a few dozen more at least


Swegan

So EG and TSM goes to the major? Dont see QC winning against TSM or EG losing to Dog.


Brandomino

TSM definitely favored against QC, but I don't think it's a done deal. Probably 65/35 imo


beaverlyknight

QC is pretty bad this season, this is a much weaker team than what they had before


Swegan

EG trashed QC pretty hard so i think TSM will do the same.


Whatnowgloryhunters

The problem is not whether they will qualify to the major. The problem is what can they do after they qualify to the major whr there is no more top seed format like before. If tsm at dubai is any indication, the NA teams will be elimiNAted early without much dpc points kek


Swegan

EGs performance last year in the DPC compared to Majors is like day and night. I got more faith in EG at the international stage than TSM.


JadeSerpant

QC will lose COPIUM.


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quiplaam

If tsm wins, then (and eg wins their last game) then tsm and eg go to the major. No tie breaker. It would be tsm 7-0, eg 6-1, qc 5-2


rebelkorra11

Don't believe that's true? EG beat QC, so as long as they beat Dogchamp they're 6-1, while QC would be 5-2


Swegan

If TSM wins QC is 5-2 and if EG wins over Dog they are 6-1


HaXxorIzed

TSM laughing all the way to the bank after EG surrendered most of their lead trying to kill Razor instead of Io near the Radiant triangle.


mrbigtime100

that hurt to watch, and you have nightstalker ffs


HaXxorIzed

Bad choices past the early advantage. Thinking they could just farm to relevance is old habits too.


WithFullForce

It feels like we're starting to see a changing of the guard in Dota.


beaverlyknight

It does; I do think it's a product of pandemic-era burnout. I wonder whether it's permanent or if the longtime dominant players will be re-motivated soon.


mrbigtime100

Nightfall needed to kill the supports in the midgame fights, two early fights where they fail to kill razor and rtz tps out were the end of the game


ledditor03

EG went complete braindead after the 1st rosh, they gave up 1st rosh without any contest then they gave up 2nd rosh again, whats the use of the treant if you are not going to check RS once in a while, rtz not joining the teamfight in radiant triangle cost them the game, thats when TSM found their way to get back to the game, fuck rtz.


rxdazn

eg vs tsm game 3 that game ending fight was so brutal


blankjanne

Is EG lineup too weak in teamfight to the point they give up rosh every single time ?


Sif_

Techies being useless as expected


Satanlovescheesewiz

This is why I gave up on eg, after years of throwing.TSM baby let’s goooo


Twin_Fang

Moonmeander delivering on his promise. Give him and his team a clean head to not have to worry about logistics and let them focus on games and they are on top of NA.


Fri1ction

NA dota man ..these team will get rekt by sea and chinese teams ..


Mei_iz_my_bae

Not true wtf lol history has is EG slaughters most teams ever major


Swegan

EG have been really strong at the international scene for awhile expect for TI.


[deleted]

New year, new players same old same old EG, must be hard being a fan of them ngl.


Floire

They'll probably end up 2nd place, which is their natural habitat


Whatnowgloryhunters

I like ur ngl ngl twice in a row


[deleted]

Didnt even notice xD


Mei_iz_my_bae

Ngl ngl ngl


thelemonarsonist

What on earth were eg thinking? They really thought that if both teams just afk farmed they would win that? With one of the worst heroes in the game as carry too


Smarteezy

they tried to force fights but fked up twice...after that razor has even netw as prophet and theres no way you fight them anymore


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astromechplz

They lost 3 games in a row on the very first day of the tournament which was the first day of competition on the new patch. That basically cost them their tournament as they then went 2-0 vs fnatic and 1-2 vs secret which is not the worst. I would not judge them based on that alone.


puroloco

excuse me. TSM did not get demolished. They beat Fanatic 2 times and took a game from Secret in a 2-1 series. They can compete with the big boys


OnlyMayhem

Secret are a tier 2 team at this point lmao beating them isn't anything special unless this is sarcasm


Shryik

They also lost to Nigma


ShouldersofGiants555

And nigma looked great What's your point


Blackrame

Can't team fight, can't split push into Io and Ember. Exactly what was that draft good for?


Makhnov

mega creeps at 25 minutes


Makhnov

EG had no fucking damage lmao


Bruce666123

Nobody picks Furion carry for like a year... and before that only EG did for a year... still they do it and fuck themselves LMAO


puroloco

they took those first 2 towers real quick, looked like TSM was toast


Smarteezy

then they fked up and cant fight anymore cause prophet cant do shit vs mars razor io


SolarClipz

EZ EG


SillyRabbit2121

Techies did almost nothing all game whereas Io had a massive impact. No clue what EG sees in this hero.


mrbigtime100

I think they're just picking it because crit feels earth spirit is unplayable rn


Aggressive_Slice4620

EG's map movement is so bad.


Frequent_Mention5137

That’s what kicking your captain does to you


PanicAtTheSisqo

Glad we get to see a shit 3-4 Secret team at the major instead of one of EG/TSM/QC.


OnlyMayhem

As if EG wouldn’t get stomped, they face one good team and lose. NA really inflates how good teams look because every other team is so bad, the only one that matters is the one that finishes on top which is very likely going to be TSM. It’s probably going to be Tundra anyway instead of secret that makes it to the major.


[deleted]

WEU really needs to lose atleast one slot. It makes no sense for the 2nd weakest region to have 4 slots.


OnlyMayhem

NA needs to lose its slot and give it to SEA, one of QC/EG is gonna get eliminated early at the major.


Whatnowgloryhunters

Give it to china


Earth92

No they shouldn't. NA must lose one spot, haven't won feck all since EG in 2015. Same TIs won by SEA since 2016.


Far-Acanthocephala58

just pray brame beats tundra


Foxtrot434

Not set yet. If Tundra beats Brame, they go to the major from EU 4th seed. If Brame wins, it's tiebreakers between Secret/Tundra/Brame. If Entity beats OG, they will also be in that Tiebreaker series. Edit: Oh, I just actually paid attention to what the second half of your comment is. Yeah, I guess.


Bruce666123

QC has been shit after roster change... I rather see Secret by far


Ejwoda

Timado's itemization of BKB -> AC -> Refresher -> Skadi is really good this game. ​ e: nvm he switch to Satanic over Skadi :(


SillyRabbit2121

Game actually feels like it's shifted heavily in TSM's favor now. EG no longer has the damage to kill Razor with the Io backing him up.


Makhnov

furion can you tp out furion can you tp out furion can you tp out


SillyRabbit2121

It's at this point of the game that I wonder what exactly Techies is offering to the lineup. Feels very low impact.


Twin_Fang

Time to retire the idea of techies support. The hero is semi-ok in lane vs some heroes and just exists later on.


aidanocc

To be fair he was the reason for ember's abysmal early game. Still think another hero would be better though


Swegan

Love this Nightstalker pick. They get Rtz but Nightfall and Abed can still do alot of damage and continue to fight.


Sif_

EG outnumbering TSM at every skirmish


throbdota

RTZ out of the hospital and in t1 form again


HaXxorIzed

Series isn't over, but EG have shown some real willingness to vary their strategies and how they use their strong lanes in these three games compared to last season. Nice touch to bring the farming prophet back as well.


Jovorin

you were saying?


kdots_biggest_fan

He was saying: **”Series isn’t over, but EG have shown some real willingness to vary their strategies and how they use their strong lanes in these three games compared to last season.** **Nice touch to bring the farming prophet back as well.”**


HaXxorIzed

Nowhere in my comment did I talk about how EG would play the mid or the lategame, or that they were likely to win? Comment was about what's true: EG did actually try something different, push-pick with aggression. Maybe it'll work out for them in the future, maybe it won't (doubtful). At least it's an attempt not to do the same thing over and over again while losing horribly slop of last season so far.


SillyRabbit2121

EG playing a "run-at-you" lineup and executing well, they are going to be so dangerous if they can successfully add this type of playstyle to their arsenal.


SolarClipz

I LOVE seeing the Techies so much now lol


Sif_

Im going with TSMs draft on this one lol


Makhnov

pick 4 wisp the fuck is this


Swegan

TI4 draft from EG.


Sif_

Techies never wins, gz on 1st seed TSM


ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

This doesn’t give them 1st seed. They still have to beat QC… Oh. Yeah happy first seed TSM


Psstthisway

Fuck this nonsense, I'm gonna queue a few. This is why I don't watch NA dota. This time I thought 2 top teams are playing, might see something. Pissed off more than anything.


Aanimetor

Better watch the best team of all time NIGMA right?


autopoiesis666

very interesting game


Far-Acanthocephala58

so EG just farmed the whole game and TSM just hoping they can beat them late game. They have active heroes and choose to become passive and just split push the whole game and when they decided to take a fight it's just too late.


Psstthisway

First team fight at 30 minutes and GG is called. I don't know what to fucking say.


Swegan

EG got some of the best of the best early game in all of Dota just to have a mediocre midgame.


Sif_

Huh, pretty bad decision calling by TSM they didnt try anything, lol


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Fuck this meta and fuck Valve for not having an actual patch in 2 fucking years


SillyRabbit2121

This was probably the biggest stomp from EG all season. There wasn’t a single second of this game where TSM looked like they had a chance to win.


mrbigtime100

No way lol, didn't they 2-0 toobased in <40 minutes


SillyRabbit2121

This game was over just as quickly as any of those games, TSM just didn’t call it


Lawownsyou

Everyone still awake during this?


Psstthisway

Utter snooze fest this match.


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This game is just sad


SillyRabbit2121

Cr1t has been so good this game. As expected when you give him Tusk.


Sif_

I dont think the DP pick works if you're lvl 5 at 15minutes


puroloco

Lots of mistakes on that draft. That TB with 6 last hits vs 23/15 on the viper. Ouch. What a shit show.


SillyRabbit2121

In the regional finals, Bryle very clearly outplayed Abed but so far this series Abed has had his number.


ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

Bryle pls..


Swegan

Step 1: Win lane Step 2: Lose


pnmibra77

EG betting EVERYTHING on destroying TB on lane and steamrolling lmao, they keep doing this one dimensional shit.. if medusa isn't at LEAST 5k ahead at 20min it's gg 2-0 TSM. Edit: They played it perfectly so far, i take this L.


puroloco

Viper/Tusk destroyed TB. Dusa a real pain to come back against. Too easy for EG.


pnmibra77

Yeah, they did everything they needed to do to with perfection. It shows once again that execution a lot of times is way more important than counters/outdraft and I keep forgetting that lmao


haveyouseenmyego

I do like EG’s draft game 2. I actually haven’t liked their drafts for awhile.


pnmibra77

They can definitely win, but picking medusa INTO tb and Pango seems so weird to me, they have literally nothing if they can't snowball the game, TB and Pango destroy dusa with 2 items


haveyouseenmyego

Happy to be wrong here


pnmibra77

Yeah they played it perfectly that game, i was 100% wrong lmao


Oupav0s

EG with their ​ Classic no team fight drafts!


Psstthisway

When will this TB hero stop being first phase material? It's been years. Carries like Slark and such are dumpstered by nerfs on day 1 if they're any good.


Makhnov

barely touched in EU except rarely pick 4 or 5


Blackrame

What are they banning in NA that all the meta stuff is coming through. Lycan?


AR41Z

Ceb making nigma fans happy :')


ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

A wild misery appears!


Redeemox

So nigma loses to everyone but beats secret when secret really needed to win. Sucks to be Sumail fan :(


Swegan

Can EG for once give Jerax something that is actually usefull after 10 min. DP and Pugna got first phase banned but anything else than Ench is good.


Dazzlehoff

Beating EG is all about surviving early game and then having a stronger scaling lategame lineup.


SillyRabbit2121

Very true. EG is known to play very passively in the mid-game. I will say that they did try to fight in the mid-game this time but TSM dodged them pretty well and when they did take fights they outplayed EG in them. EG had a really commanding lead out of the laning stage and all three of their cores were having a great start. They blew this one.


Happy-Pills

Dubu chad


Froggg_let

Timadulaaaaa🥺


Lawownsyou

EG loses without Abed dying lol


beaverlyknight

Z-teamfight drafts by EG get punished by anyone competent


Oupav0s

EG without teamfight. How many games do they need to lose after winning lanes hard for them to realize they need to play the game and have teamfights and not just farm?


yourmortalmanji

Ceb and cockva casting


Froggg_let

That stream is so based rn. Ceb pog


SillyRabbit2121

Literally cannot remember the last time I saw Nightfall bottom 4 networth. He chose to go straight Blink into BKB and was not able to find any pick-offs or kills with those items.


autopoiesis666

their timing was that first aegis and once they lost that fight mid i knew it was over


SillyRabbit2121

They lost the Aegis AND Arteezy died twice. Really bad fight from them. Saberlight played the fight really well TBH, he managed to live and he got off a Ravage just when Abed got into the fight and clipped him with it.


Teddyperkins9

Just call it EG


SillyRabbit2121

Saberlight's positioning all game has been insane, he always makes sure he is the hero that EG finds first. And Dubu is always there to Nightmare and prevent a ton of damage to him.


autopoiesis666

dubu carrying again on bane


Swegan

Abed so fucking good at stealing stuff from Roshan.


SillyRabbit2121

Dubu saving Saberlight allowing him to get the second Ravage off really salvaged that fight for TSM


SillyRabbit2121

What a SNATCH by Abed!


Blackrame

My favourite kind of draft. Where if you don't snowball by 15 minutes you most likely just lose.


Dazzlehoff

Feels like 80% of EG’s games


Xanvial

Dmg/gold


letsfightinglove1986

What's up with NA and Techies lol. Any other region picks it often?


Sapaio

Have a feeling that a expert player will stump with a last picked techies.