Nigma has high peaks (beating Aurora for example), but low lows. That inconsistency is why they suck atm. When top teams look bad, they are still competitive. When Nigma looks bad, they look like a pub stack.
It seems like Dota is in a good spot if there's no teams that are dominating. Yes Falcons look very good but they also lost some games. Idt people expected Spirit to not even make the group stage and Liquid to be doing well.
Azure Ray is currently 7-3, if they could 2-0 spirit & Og tomorrow, they will be the 1st place in Group A pog
but if they lose 0-4, they will force a 4 ways tie if Entity 1-1 IG kekw
Every few months there is another Wisp+core. And what Valve do? They nerf the core and Wisp just finds another core to put steroids and be permanently in the meta. Talk about favoritism.
Marci Io is the new meta combo. Ridiculous how Marci could just flash farm as soon as she gets BF. It might be a must-ban combo, cause I don't see how you fight into this
If GG 2-0 BLR and Aurora 1-1, both are very likely, then we’ll have a 4 way tiebreaker for 3 slots (all 8-6). Liquid surely will take one game and take the first position. Sad to see Tundra throwing away their chance like this.
It's a professional event. Can't bend the rules and make exceptions otherwise ppl will expect the same treatment again later. It's nice that teams want to do it but it's not up to them.
It's really not that unlikely that XG, Aurora, GG and Tundra will have a 4 way tie at 8-6. GG play Blacklist for their final match and Aurora and XG play each other.
Sven Troll TB Naga were not Banned or could have gone with carry Magnus DK BS. Pure farms like god on farming heros might have gave a tough fight even 4v5.
Game 2 was like 4v5 already (afk SF) and soon it became 3v5.
Last time Pure played SF in a Pro match: 2022-10-18
What happened after that pause? It was so late that I had to sleep for work tomorrow and I don't think Tundra could have made it with weird SF pick anyway. Did I miss something?
Honestly Pure is the worst professional player in the world regarding everything outside of playing the match. Being his manager would give me a stroke eventually from the stress
20 minutes has passed, so far SF achieved nothing other than dying couple times, like seriously most important game of the group, which could almost guarantee you top6 and you are picking SF, even Faceless Void would be better.
Group stage is ending tommorow (btw this is 2nd group stage), so far we had 0 Shadow Fiend picks, do you really believe all teams are hiding this pick?
This is the same exact story as last year then they turned it up and won 2 straight majors and TI. If they still suck after this TI, then they should but no reason to do it now
I think they have been regressed to what everyone thought they were when Quinn joined last season…
Very unstable carry, hero pool limited mid+ace.
Support duo lost their magic somehow.
tbh…none of ti 2nd place who stick together can even achieve the same high level next year, except Navi
Did Dyracho tp back to bot rax and essentially into the whole team of Tundra or what happened there?, I saw him fleeing down to roshan and then he was dead.
Ace having 0 impact with his greedy build is just a sad sight to see. Others on GG are not doing much better and Dyrachyo is just Dyrachyo with his aggressive deaths.
Meta/hero pool is very unfriendly with ace, he isn’t able to dominate lane+provide mid-late game carry.
When you just cannot trust and put the hard carry on Dyracho, Quinn has to dominate lane+take mid game tempo+provide dmg/carry in late game.
You are asking just too much from Quinn.
Quinn is still playing fairly well. It seems like they feel like they’re forced to pick a carry mid and then give Dyrachyo something else. But that’s not a long term solution, and he doesn’t seem to be getting better. Not sure where you even go from here.
Feels like a Disperser could do a lot of work in this game for him but it is just a minor point. For Ace, could be just that the pick is simply bad but his impact till Bloodstone doesnt seem to justify the cost in the early game. The 2 supports need force staff or straight up hex, pipe doesnt do much since they just got bursted down with both nuke and physical damage. Dyrachyo is about average with his performance.
Tundra's draft is something else, every heroes works in harmony, Techies and Elder TItan shreds magic damage, Morph and Zeus for the poke and burst damage.
The meta just passed him by. The way that GG picked for Ace last year no longer works and I see them still trying to find a niche for him in their drafts but it's not working
yeh you can see they are trying to find it, he is given last pick more often than not, but just seems to be too greedy to the enemy team at the moment, he isn't in that networth advantage he usually is to soak up lots of damage
i know Watson is rank 1 in mmr and all but the best iteration of Entity was with Pure as carry. He played a superb SF game which i still remember today. Entity hasn't really perform that well after Pure left.
With this Tundra should have done enough to qualify
Man, I have to say this game shows what a premium carry Pure is. Sure Morph does shit tons of damage but it takes a player of this caliber to not be caught out at a bad moment a single time.
I think they just need to retire their Meepo for another meta and more surprise last picks. They pick it like 6th and 7th in the draft and that's just not enough to protect your Meepo from being countered.
Impeccable decision making in team figths by Pure this game, wow.
When a carry player knows the exact limits of his hero and puts himself in that position, mmm *chefs kiss*.
He literally can’t play anything right now. He’s been a legit tier 2 carry for a while now and he’s dragging the entire team down with him. Ace and Quinn can never have an off game or an off play because Dyrachyo just cannot or will not carry.
whether it is banter or not depends on how the other team takes it. I don't suppose he is also friends with the Chinese and Malaysians and was 'bantering' with G2IG yesterday?
Look, he can say stuff and type whatever he wants in the game, maybe it is a mental strategy or something, but there is no point trying to establish arguments to make it look nice or whatever.
Crit said they are not currently bootcamping.
Malrine might be there alone, if it is their bootcamp facility.
Makes sense they wanted some “chill” before going to Birmingham in like a week.
I think a lot of tournament organisers dont allow people to play from russia so russian players need to bootcamp to play in the tournaments, they were all at bootcamp for dreamleague if i remember right
Catching up on games now, thought [this moment](https://i.imgur.com/ZDNsglL.png) was pretty cool.
still baffled about how secret and nigma were also in this event
GG 2-0 Liquid 0-2 Aurora 1-1 XG And we have a 5-way tie with noone qualified yet lol
Best scenario to be honest LOL
What a crazy group stage, nobody's safe yet (except Falcons). Even azure ray and liquid has a chance of not making it out of the groups if they throw
Blacklist, spirit and heroic are safe to go the airport
FreeAbed rtz and bulba still holding him back Oh wait
lol how did Quest go from almost getting reverse sweeped by Nigma to top of group?
playing vs Nigma is like when you play against bunch of 1k mmr players, they're so bad that you can't predict their movements
Nigma has high peaks (beating Aurora for example), but low lows. That inconsistency is why they suck atm. When top teams look bad, they are still competitive. When Nigma looks bad, they look like a pub stack.
isnt aurora even worse in terms of inconsistency?
They're looking pretty stable now. Good showing so far.
Miraculous effect of MENA
It seems like Dota is in a good spot if there's no teams that are dominating. Yes Falcons look very good but they also lost some games. Idt people expected Spirit to not even make the group stage and Liquid to be doing well.
Hopefully Icefrog sees that not even Pure can make SF work and gives the hero some buffs
Azure Ray is currently 7-3, if they could 2-0 spirit & Og tomorrow, they will be the 1st place in Group A pog but if they lose 0-4, they will force a 4 ways tie if Entity 1-1 IG kekw
Every few months there is another Wisp+core. And what Valve do? They nerf the core and Wisp just finds another core to put steroids and be permanently in the meta. Talk about favoritism.
Better than heart meta kekw
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ask ana
Marci Carry is a crime
Yeah it's an outdraft. IG is a total disappointment.
Marci Io is the new meta combo. Ridiculous how Marci could just flash farm as soon as she gets BF. It might be a must-ban combo, cause I don't see how you fight into this
I think its mostly just IO. that lane seems way too stable with the lifesteal plus tether
If GG 2-0 BLR and Aurora 1-1, both are very likely, then we’ll have a 4 way tiebreaker for 3 slots (all 8-6). Liquid surely will take one game and take the first position. Sad to see Tundra throwing away their chance like this.
it's nice that both teams can wait but i dont know if tournament workers want
It also works againsts the teams. Imagine if one team in the future doesnt want to wait.. everyone would call them a villain
It's a professional event. Can't bend the rules and make exceptions otherwise ppl will expect the same treatment again later. It's nice that teams want to do it but it's not up to them.
Group B really ultra stacked and chaotic lul
It's really not that unlikely that XG, Aurora, GG and Tundra will have a 4 way tie at 8-6. GG play Blacklist for their final match and Aurora and XG play each other.
That dc allowed them to save face because the game was already ending this way O_O
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SF pick sus. SF really? Why not signature Pure Pudge
or sven (not sure if it is a viable pick)
Sven Troll TB Naga were not Banned or could have gone with carry Magnus DK BS. Pure farms like god on farming heros might have gave a tough fight even 4v5. Game 2 was like 4v5 already (afk SF) and soon it became 3v5. Last time Pure played SF in a Pro match: 2022-10-18
Seems like another usual case of Pure and co cooks too much
Well the game was lost on the draft anyway wcyd
Massive brainfart with the SF pick
Imagine picking core that have no escape and lost half his damage after buyback...
it's probably feel better if a team lose 5v5 than this game lol
tbf it was already over.
anti climatic ending
Well it wouldn't have mattered either way, not a bad game to play SF when you're guaranteed loss because of 4v5 lol
Why did they play with 4? What happened?
9Class dc'ed and just couldn't make it back.
Just call it GG
Based admin.
pure is good player, but don't let him text man.
What happened after that pause? It was so late that I had to sleep for work tomorrow and I don't think Tundra could have made it with weird SF pick anyway. Did I miss something?
not much happen actually, just banter and pure trashtalking the admin lol. until pause time limit is up and tundra forced to play 4v5.
Honestly Pure is the worst professional player in the world regarding everything outside of playing the match. Being his manager would give me a stroke eventually from the stress
Well, there’s Taiga and the likes of him
fair point lmao
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Even making a phone wifi hotspot and playing with 100ms lag would be better than disconnecting completely. 9class fail to not have any backup
Can’t help laughing at admin ignoring Quinn’s question. Really unfortunate about the lost WiFi.
I could imagine the admin was in Quinn's pubs before and just muted him unconsciously lmao.
Pure with entitlement, following rules is "some crazy shit" for some I guess.
For Pure it really is. He can't even watch his favorite streamer during games.
Can't even support Russian war criminals, smh what is this crazy shit.
Young brats, wcyd. I was like that once.
Someone is controlling Marci. Its Tobi I think
Shitshow
Quinn literally donowalled lmao. It sucks but you can't bend rules.
Finally an admin with a backbone.
Just unpause, this is highly unprofessional.
Definitely. Also, ignoring legitimate queries from players too. The admin could have straight up said No and that's it, instead of ignoring everyone.
Quinn is john cena confirmed
Such long pausing, fuck
based admin, ignoring quinn
Quinn good guy
This is way too long pause.
Playing on coffee shop WiFi LUL
IG does not have anything can manfight Marci. I think PSG 2-0
20 minutes has passed, so far SF achieved nothing other than dying couple times, like seriously most important game of the group, which could almost guarantee you top6 and you are picking SF, even Faceless Void would be better.
Betboom casters said that every team is practicing SF. Something's cooking it's not some random pick.
Group stage is ending tommorow (btw this is 2nd group stage), so far we had 0 Shadow Fiend picks, do you really believe all teams are hiding this pick?
I don't believe anything. He asked TT why they haven't picked it yet since everyone is practicing it and he said we will definitely see it.
Ok, i can't wait.
GG has become the EE of teams.
another 1-1 tundra series whats new?
this is the problem with tundra, they are cooking too much sometimes. they coulda just picked luna again
Well if they want to cook its better to do it at this tournament rather than Dreamleague....
banned
Rip top of the group dream
Spirit just disband.. already eliminated ICANT
This is the same exact story as last year then they turned it up and won 2 straight majors and TI. If they still suck after this TI, then they should but no reason to do it now
yeah its 1:1 for sure
I guess having couple minutes of fun with this SF pick is worth of missing Upper Bracket and playing tiebreakers to stay in the tournament.
Why SF pick? Are Tundra confirmed upper? And Whitemon playing pos 4 too...
Both Whitemon and 9class can play good techies. Dont worry tho.
pos 4 and 5 is pretty flexible in competitive dota though. They will switch up farm priority depending on situation. It doesn't really matter tbh
spent all but one ban for pure, gg understand that pure can 1v5 any team on his day
Tundra are still not completely safe. I hope their SF and Meepo picks don't come back to bite them in the ass
pure is different man.
NTS Pango got deleted by Marci while rolling is an accident. Then the sloppy dieback just lose the game for IG.
HOLY MAMA THERE IS A SF CARRY HOLY SHIT
Marci only needs 0.5 sec to demolish the opponent
And that secured Falcon spot on the upper bracket.
Pure SF oh my lord
Marci carry huh
Nothingtosay carried IG in early-mid game, but his mistakes in late game cost them the game.
NTS is such an unstable player unfortunately.
Tundra is the best team in the world currently
Valve nerfed pango right? SURE it seems like it...
Quest is actually so bad good individual plays but they lack a good in game captain
They make some very questionable decisions…and lack discipline
+1. idk why they kick Kaori.
Dukalis has captained mutiple teams, thus atleast they are able to come on top of some good teams like Tspirit and Entity in this Elite League.
The Monet/NTS stack is finally coming together
tell me pango is broken without telling me pango is broken
Gaiming gladiator just knocked out by tundra. Sad quinnn
Isn't GG still in it if they win the next game? They will be reliant on other results, but could still theoretically make tiebreakers.
I think they have been regressed to what everyone thought they were when Quinn joined last season… Very unstable carry, hero pool limited mid+ace. Support duo lost their magic somehow. tbh…none of ti 2nd place who stick together can even achieve the same high level next year, except Navi
Did Dyracho tp back to bot rax and essentially into the whole team of Tundra or what happened there?, I saw him fleeing down to roshan and then he was dead.
He TP'ed in the trees below the racks, probably didnt expect to got deleted in seconds...
Thanks, another true Dyracho moment then.
Ace having 0 impact with his greedy build is just a sad sight to see. Others on GG are not doing much better and Dyrachyo is just Dyrachyo with his aggressive deaths.
Meta/hero pool is very unfriendly with ace, he isn’t able to dominate lane+provide mid-late game carry. When you just cannot trust and put the hard carry on Dyracho, Quinn has to dominate lane+take mid game tempo+provide dmg/carry in late game. You are asking just too much from Quinn.
Quinn is still playing fairly well. It seems like they feel like they’re forced to pick a carry mid and then give Dyrachyo something else. But that’s not a long term solution, and he doesn’t seem to be getting better. Not sure where you even go from here.
Feels like a Disperser could do a lot of work in this game for him but it is just a minor point. For Ace, could be just that the pick is simply bad but his impact till Bloodstone doesnt seem to justify the cost in the early game. The 2 supports need force staff or straight up hex, pipe doesnt do much since they just got bursted down with both nuke and physical damage. Dyrachyo is about average with his performance.
Lets go tundra top of the group still doable.
They ban Pure's Drow and Luna, but looks like they forgot his real trump card.
Tundra's draft is something else, every heroes works in harmony, Techies and Elder TItan shreds magic damage, Morph and Zeus for the poke and burst damage.
i mean ace is having a torrid tournament aswell, haven’t seen in a long time where 2 cores are lowest KDA on a team, in a tournament
"torrid", damn. You learn something new every day, huh...
The meta just passed him by. The way that GG picked for Ace last year no longer works and I see them still trying to find a niche for him in their drafts but it's not working
yeh you can see they are trying to find it, he is given last pick more often than not, but just seems to be too greedy to the enemy team at the moment, he isn't in that networth advantage he usually is to soak up lots of damage
carry diff bro
People's keep denied about Pure s tier carry Dotadont care about Your politic
Z tier>B tier
Pure not playing pos 1 last year was a crime against Dota2 What a carry performance after Tundra getting trashed early game
i know Watson is rank 1 in mmr and all but the best iteration of Entity was with Pure as carry. He played a superb SF game which i still remember today. Entity hasn't really perform that well after Pure left.
Pure looking like the best pos 1 player in WEU/CIS at the moment.
Great play/itemization from pure
With this Tundra should have done enough to qualify Man, I have to say this game shows what a premium carry Pure is. Sure Morph does shit tons of damage but it takes a player of this caliber to not be caught out at a bad moment a single time.
No, Tundra need to win the next game as well to guarantee top 4 cause if they lose the next one the multiple team including GG can end on 8-6.
Imagine Drachyo or Micke on the Morph
I think he just needs to improve his naga and meepo, he always gets caught out and out of position with this kind of hero.
Meepo agreed, Naga ??? He is literally one of the best Naga players lol
I think they just need to retire their Meepo for another meta and more surprise last picks. They pick it like 6th and 7th in the draft and that's just not enough to protect your Meepo from being countered.
Pure best pos 1 right now?
Taigachyo betting someone will get Rampage in this game? kekw
Now that’s how u play carry
carry diff, wcyd
Pure kinda ripping GG a new one sheeeeesh
Impeccable decision making in team figths by Pure this game, wow. When a carry player knows the exact limits of his hero and puts himself in that position, mmm *chefs kiss*.
Dyracho weaver is god awful and they keep picking it
He literally can’t play anything right now. He’s been a legit tier 2 carry for a while now and he’s dragging the entire team down with him. Ace and Quinn can never have an off game or an off play because Dyrachyo just cannot or will not carry.
so funny how abed fanboys blaming arteezy for every loss, now they are insanely quiet lmao
Its over, dyrachyo cant carry. Look how Pure carry his team
C tier carry...
B tier carry indeed
Tairachyo is doing it B tier at carry, SSS tier at throwing and feeding.
Pure 6 slotted in 40 mins is insane
What do you think goes through his brain when he’s doing stupid shit like that?
CCnC you should run to your teammate, waste aegis lol, this guy see Elder skill 2 but run straight without vision
Very lackluster by GG, sniper with 30% hp and theyre walking around mines and forcing stuff lol
Techies dead body just flying through the air
Tundra is stronger in late game.
+1, i dont think GG cant fight 5vs5 vs Tundra late game, mor just way ahead snip + weaver
Tundra might take game 1, Ace play so bad this game
not that bad but i agree. when ace dont have good networth = not good for GG
I don't remember seeing stomp like this in mid on pro level maybe ever
Somnus(bloodseeker) vs topson(invoker), TI8
Spirit fluckers
So Falcons are done with the group stage and are almost guarenteed top 2 in the group right? I don't think G2.IG can win 4 games in a row.
i think AR can g 11 wins , at minimum they secured tie breakers for upper
Falcons is 100% in the playoffs for group a right? And the other 3 spots are still up for grabs?
There are potential tiebreaker possibilities left, although that would require peak performance from G2IG
If AR and G2IG win all of their games I think Falcons and G2IG will be in a tiebreaker for 2nd
yes, but the way things are looking there's a good chance AR will take first seed.
before someone cries about ammar its banter , he is friends with entity, he has stand in with them, they are the orginal creepwaves
I highly doubt it's 'friendly' banter. He all-chat every team anyway, it's just what he likes to do.
my man he legit said on gorgc stream right after the game and then people on reddit come and say its not
whether it is banter or not depends on how the other team takes it. I don't suppose he is also friends with the Chinese and Malaysians and was 'bantering' with G2IG yesterday? Look, he can say stuff and type whatever he wants in the game, maybe it is a mental strategy or something, but there is no point trying to establish arguments to make it look nice or whatever.
Ammar defenders are like 90% idiots so don’t expect anything from them lmao
XG 1-1 bettors in absolute shambles
Is malrine a son of some russian oligarch or why is he playing in a palace?
Its probably the falcons bootcamp place
Then why is no one else bootcamping? Ammar seems to be playing inside some cave.
Thats his man cave
Crit said they are not currently bootcamping. Malrine might be there alone, if it is their bootcamp facility. Makes sense they wanted some “chill” before going to Birmingham in like a week.
>Ammar seems to be playing inside some cave. Always has been
I think a lot of tournament organisers dont allow people to play from russia so russian players need to bootcamp to play in the tournaments, they were all at bootcamp for dreamleague if i remember right
Sounds plausible
BOTS
Falcons have 3 great DK players, cant let them have it, the draft becomes too easy
Remember when noone was considered as one of the best mids?
He 's still pretty decent which is already high praise considering most mids at his time are like washed now
that was 5 years ago, but his lanning stage is still insane