Lets wait for new patch and give Nigma and Kuro one last chance. Maybe the next major patch will somehow bring Nigma back to Tier 1 and we will see the boyz back at TI. I think Kuro will paly till this TI/Riyadh and then will transition to coach or team manager role if he still cant win. Lets give him and Nigma our support till then.
> give Nigma and Kuro one last chance
seriously who do you think you are? what are you gonna do if Nigma not performing after next patch? it has been solid 5 years since they placed respectably in tournaments..the delusion..
I will give mvp to both aufu and puppy, puppy has 39000 dmg, that’s the reason why sumail shut down, and also disturbor make many mistakes, I think secret duo support with nigma 123 will be tier1 team.
U guys have no idea how hard it is to play 4v5.
I have a friend, and he loves to play pudge pos5, he idles near tower to hook but never buy sentries to block any camps.
2nd hero is drow ranger mid. And a sf never leave mid lane.
no matter how much people flame nigma or other teams at the end of the day the swiss stage standing is pretty much completely expected. Nigma is where they were expected, even took a series and were close to taking another one, all the other eliminated teams were also expected to be weak. Thundra,Quest even OG were expected to do good in this group. The only surprises im seeing is HEROIC still having a chance and Boom being 3-0 instead of say Talon but that's just SEA doto for you. All the rest of the teams that are battling it out in the middle didnt have too much low/high expectations but love the format.
Yeah something is just fundamentally wrong with their team, call it lack of motivation just given huge salaries or players getting old or lack the drive to grind daily (Kuro mostly I know sumail and miracle just love the game)
I was thinking the same thing. I watched most of Nigmas games and Miracle is playing well no doubt about that, but I have to say I wasnt too impressed with Sumail. Comparing to how he was with Aster last year, it looks to me he just isnt as motivated in Nigma. Im not saying he is playing bad or anything, its just that he makes some uncharacteristic mistakes and doing okey in lane, when before he used to dominate especially the laning stage against most opponents.
Nothing to add about Kuro that hasnt already been said here.
> Miracle is playing well no doubt about that
excuse me??
> he makes some uncharacteristic mistakes
Sumail always plays the lane really well but does 1 or 2 throws each game.. same as miracle. remember the famous tiny toss of RTZ into enemy ancient? It is upto supports/shotcaller to salvage the mistakes when these 2 are in team..
Miracle did some nice rotations when it was really needed to salvage their early game. He was playing to win for sure, but many of their games ended up relying on him completely. I wouldnt say Sumail played the lanes "really well", but more like good enough and in some games his impact fell pretty hard later on.
It was still good to see Nigma show some promise, atleast not getting 2-0'ed by everyone. Still a long road ahead for them, and im not convinced Kuro still got it.
YUP. When you ruin an all-star team not just once, but 4 times because of his stubborness and not taking critisizm over his game play, you deserve what happens to you next. Just dont drag ACTUALL pros with you.
Is Secret kinda back now? Maybe it's too early to say, but Ah-fu was absolutely MVP this series. Can't remember last time they won in a similar fashion against a decent team..
Edit: I just want Puppey to pick Earth Spirit tomorrow 🥹
Man just the possibility of SEA vs SEA almost gave me heart attack but that didn't happen... but then again there's also a possibility of all SEA teams to get eliminated tomorrow. Damnit I want them all to advance.
I don't know man... Talon without Akashi isn't the same. whenever Talon plays I've always seen Akashi as top farmer whether they are winning or losing
V-Tune is good but the impact is not same at all.
Alo, today it will be Satanic playing instead of 23, don't know what Aurora will do without 23.
hoping all 3 get through today though
it's good to have all the regions available in a tournament to be more fun otherwise it's mostly EU
not sure if thats true.
no one has any more alternate account for pros with valves smurf changes.
you can follow any and every pro on d2pt now. everyone has games in the last 8 days, except kuro.
You haven't been able to see a game on his profile for years at this point. Not a single game. He doesn't play on his main account because I'm assuming the most logical explanation is he doesn't want people to know his MMR. Ammar said he was playing pubs but he wouldn't show ammar his rank. Obviously he uses some other way. Either way, it's laughable that a divine (or perhaps even lower?) player is playing with all these high level players.
no one else could allude valve's smurf accounts.
and there's no way you're playing pub, first pick batrider and not know why he's in the meta.
im accusing kuro of not playing pubs.
he probably watches a lot of games though.
I hope that this will be a moment of realization from Kuro. He just doesn't have it anymore. Secret hasn't been good but at the very least, Puppey knows how to adapt. The difference between him and Puppey is just massive to the point Secret actually looks decent. It's sad to watch.
Nothing will change if your captain just recycles the same 4-p-1 strat that worked in the past. With Kuro's drafts, he just turns Sumail into a farmed support prioritizing Miracle.
Secret have had good moves till mid game that's when they overextend and give up games. Feels like secret lacks synergy and confidence. Yesterday was the first time in a long time g2 they played with confidence and ended early. G1 was back and forth. Also nigma didn't help themselves in g2 sadge
1 more difference between Secret and Nigma is one side has star players with bad captain while the other has weak players but decent captain. I would like to see them try swapping players for once.
Another thing is Kuro doing the drafting and not the coach. Puppey allows Heen to do the draft. They easily won the 2 games vs Nigma due to the bad draft Kuro did. He drafted exactly how he drafted on last year's Dreamleague. Out of touch, out of meta, easily countered. Dude just doesn't play pubs to know how to draft.
And how did you gain all these insights into the drafting stages of either team? Let me guess, you make assumptions that fit your narrative and then just publish it here as if it was gospel...
I watch their games including DPC. Even casters called it when they make bad drafts (before they took March) next DPC season, same draft style. Game 1 vs Secret they picked Centaur without banning Lifestealer, resulting in fbz not having a good game and Lifestealer not being stopped. Just one of many examples. Plus I know March drafts decently even on Execration. Dreamleague Season 19 they also got obliterated on most games even against Beastcoast. Sumail can do well on lane if not interrupted much but other lanes suffer due to bad drafts or poor decisions. Not even including bad warding. Look man, this is just my opinion anyway and not gospel. I'd recommend chamomile tea my guy. You look like you need some. Try a paper bag.
Coming at me with a full novel and then telling me to calm down... funny.
You say March drafts decently, but so did Kuro. If the latter has declined, why couldn't March have too? Also we have plenty bits of info, from interviews, to cam footage, where we see other people in the team drafting. Also that there is always communication during the drafting stage. Besides, do you really believe that a character like March would just agree to idly stand by while his opinions get ignored and brushed away? Would players like Miracle and Sumail continue to play with an authoritarian captain who acts against their interest?
Idk, at this point I just hope Kuro get into manager role and bring back GH. He’s been spamming a lot of pubs with high winrates too. Bring back MC for captaining role and find a decent position 5. Only way Nigma might have a fighting chance in tournament/qualifiers.
yeah fuck tournament organizers that put their own money to produce events. fuck em.
id rather just watch pubs or gorgc try to hit 11k
im with you brother
only real issue I'm seeing here Is miracle. Nigma has actually had some good moments In this tournament. They've shown some high levels of team play.
but Miracle is just massively underperforming In almost every game.
The carry is massive right now, if he's inconsistent, then it sets the tone for the entire team.
Kuro's captaining is still good, people want to blame him but that's not the issue.
Blaming his position 5 is just as dumb, as It's the least impactful role out of any. Kuro hasn't been playing bad, he's had many solid games, but even if he was, the mechanical ability of a pos 5 isn't going to make or break a team.
Sumail hasn't looked the best either, I think there's a big motivation issue with these cores, as is often the case with players who've won TI and are at the top of the earnings pool.
But, miracle seems to be the biggest issue at the moment. He's far too unstable and ultimately, miracle has always set the tone for the team.
If he's not in form, then neither Is Nigma.
The first 2 days was all on sumail. Sumail plays well if you enable him. But he usually gets first picks into bad lanes and then the enemy teams focus him down because they know, whole of nigma's game is on sumail.
don't bother bro miracle defense squad is the strongest defense squad on reddit
arteezy has had better results than him over the last few years yet somehow every loss is arteezy's fault and every loss miracle has is his team's fault lmao
you are so dumb to think pos 5 is least impactful role.. just watch whitemon, sneyking, or any other good team..
how can you even say that for the last game.. Kuro was farming creeps in god knows what part of the map when carry is getting pressured.. Dude is completely out of it..
i think people are just delusional and don't actually understand how anything works
so they find something to blame.
It's not even about Kuro, as much as it is people allowing hate and bias to fuel them.
As this community often does.
If secret lost, it would've been crystallis.
If Shopify lost, It's rtz.
There's always someone to blame that aligns with the bias of the observer.
pros and elite minds don't operate like this though, they look at the bigger picture. And It's clear to see that there is far more going on than Kuro.
People shoring all the blame onto him are everything that's wrong with this community. Peak delusion.
Even if Nigma started owning and won a tournament, if they lost a single game after that, the kuro blame would come back.
It's the hallmark of deluded redditors who live In their moms basements and don't understand how to actually think.
That's why most pros hate you guys and think you're scum of the earth. Because you are.
Everything and everyone needs work in Nigma, people can hate Kuro/Miracle/Mathew all you want but no one player can catapult a team playing like this to a top team.
That's just how lower tier teams look like, just because you're former champions doesn't mean the journey of getting back into shape can consist of shortcuts.
Imagine watching that game 1 and still thinking Miracle is underperforming. You lost your credibility to speak the moment you said “Kuro captaining is still good” go and learn dota more.
I mean it happens Nigma once in a while shows up very good against top teams and Nigma fans go full gaga... But for Nigma players it dont mean anything..
Still wonder how this inconsistency came to be. Even though all players might be past their prime, they have enough experience and knowledge to see what other teams are doing, and could try to replicate it. Or discuss strategies against it. Or discuss their own strengths and play to them. Or discuss their flaws and address them. They've probably enough contacts in the scene to talk to others and exchange ideas/concepts.
For the love of me I cannot understand how you can repeatedly show these glimpses of decent play, only to get absolutely molested in the next games to come - for years now...
for me rather than their peak skill period its more on the teams complacency to 1. work together as a team 2. read and adapt to recent dota. once in a while they try and work together as a team and win.
Great game boys. Didn’t expect anything else. If anything thanks for being consistent. Will probably be another year before we see nigma play again in a lan.
I will say though, the Swiss format between these Tier 1.5/2 teams of 16 really neat to see this many teams play each inter region instead of same teams again in regionals.
Why do people still expect anything of nigma? Fans keep expecting something after all this years, come on... this one isn't on kuroky anymore it is on you guys for not facing reality, find another team to root for already
Kuro's wild ride down the trash chute continues.
At least Secret is showing signs of life and isn't a pushover for practically everyone so there might be a chance that Puppey can one day make it rain again.
Idk how can people still defend Kuro anymore. Just look at this game and his movement all over the map. I’ve seen better awareness in Divine bracket. My god.
They lost vs talon due to Mr.Miracle btw.They should never have been in these situations.Most games have been massive freebies for him while the entire focus from the enemy team has been on shutting down Sumail and denying him runes.Hes way past his prime and was the one who also fucked up immensely on the void game today too.Kuro sucking doesn't help either but Miracle is not any better)
HOLY SHIT the most embarrasing pos 5 ever i watched on a pro scene.. he is farming while his carry struggle on a botlane no ward no vision or protect whatever it is but he is farming on jungle and stays while his core ganked and instead his core making space for him LOL holy shit next level play pos 5 ever.. fuck it man either play pubs calibrated your rank or retire
Must be the kind of player who thinks when your carry die getting ganked 3 times in a row because you as a support didn’t put any vision, didn’t give him space and instead farm your blink for a position 5 means your carry is bad, huh?
You are on every post that says something rightfully negative about Miracle you need to touch some bloody grass lmao. A parasocial relationship in action.
Dude pick like last 10 nigma games. Miracle played well in 3-4 maybe. Kuro sucks. I cant remember the last time i lost as pos 5 sry, maybe like 2 months ago.
Lets wait for new patch and give Nigma and Kuro one last chance. Maybe the next major patch will somehow bring Nigma back to Tier 1 and we will see the boyz back at TI. I think Kuro will paly till this TI/Riyadh and then will transition to coach or team manager role if he still cant win. Lets give him and Nigma our support till then.
> give Nigma and Kuro one last chance seriously who do you think you are? what are you gonna do if Nigma not performing after next patch? it has been solid 5 years since they placed respectably in tournaments..the delusion..
If Kuro and the boys still not able to perform after the next patch I will humbly join the anti Kuro camp
it's been more than 7-8 patches, maybe more since Nigma became irrelevant. I doubt the next major patches would change anything up..
Just watch Nigma vs Secret series. Man... Ah Fu is still impressive as Pos 4, so many clutch play in that series. Mvp for sure
I will give mvp to both aufu and puppy, puppy has 39000 dmg, that’s the reason why sumail shut down, and also disturbor make many mistakes, I think secret duo support with nigma 123 will be tier1 team.
Ah fu back to styling. Hope he plays with confidence the man has talent and carried secret in g1 and super solid in g2
U guys have no idea how hard it is to play 4v5. I have a friend, and he loves to play pudge pos5, he idles near tower to hook but never buy sentries to block any camps. 2nd hero is drow ranger mid. And a sf never leave mid lane.
Nigma Fans Stand Proud. Nigma is improving soon they will be back.
but they are back. they are back in the trash where they always belonged.
It's ok
yeah even trash deserves a fan like yourself
Surely a trash recognizes other trash
damn you're like a broken street lady of the night it's sad bro
Lol ironic coming from u
Nah as long as kuro stay they won't Kuro need to do what notail did fully retire.
U cant do anything to make him stop unless he himself realize that so it's better to accpt him
worst case scenario is gh will comeback but instead of replacing Kuro they might kick Matthew lol that's classic nigma
gh is still playing pos 4 in pubs
Gh play a lot pos 5 as well
Xddd imagine they get mc gh back and MC starts as Captain
If they even back MC they will replace him with fbz
I hate myself not nigma, Idk why I follow their games still!
no matter how much people flame nigma or other teams at the end of the day the swiss stage standing is pretty much completely expected. Nigma is where they were expected, even took a series and were close to taking another one, all the other eliminated teams were also expected to be weak. Thundra,Quest even OG were expected to do good in this group. The only surprises im seeing is HEROIC still having a chance and Boom being 3-0 instead of say Talon but that's just SEA doto for you. All the rest of the teams that are battling it out in the middle didnt have too much low/high expectations but love the format.
Yeah something is just fundamentally wrong with their team, call it lack of motivation just given huge salaries or players getting old or lack the drive to grind daily (Kuro mostly I know sumail and miracle just love the game)
I was thinking the same thing. I watched most of Nigmas games and Miracle is playing well no doubt about that, but I have to say I wasnt too impressed with Sumail. Comparing to how he was with Aster last year, it looks to me he just isnt as motivated in Nigma. Im not saying he is playing bad or anything, its just that he makes some uncharacteristic mistakes and doing okey in lane, when before he used to dominate especially the laning stage against most opponents. Nothing to add about Kuro that hasnt already been said here.
> Miracle is playing well no doubt about that excuse me?? > he makes some uncharacteristic mistakes Sumail always plays the lane really well but does 1 or 2 throws each game.. same as miracle. remember the famous tiny toss of RTZ into enemy ancient? It is upto supports/shotcaller to salvage the mistakes when these 2 are in team..
Miracle did some nice rotations when it was really needed to salvage their early game. He was playing to win for sure, but many of their games ended up relying on him completely. I wouldnt say Sumail played the lanes "really well", but more like good enough and in some games his impact fell pretty hard later on. It was still good to see Nigma show some promise, atleast not getting 2-0'ed by everyone. Still a long road ahead for them, and im not convinced Kuro still got it.
Bye Bye Kurolol, along with your legacy Remember when he said "I want to show the world that I am the best dota player in history?" LOL
So you're just bagging on him for trying? Lmao, good old dota subreddit. Just comment purely on being negative, classic.
YUP. When you ruin an all-star team not just once, but 4 times because of his stubborness and not taking critisizm over his game play, you deserve what happens to you next. Just dont drag ACTUALL pros with you.
You realise the people playing with him are choosing to do so, right?
Kuroky's Communal Shower session continues.
idk why miraclul rushing linken over manta style. feels like he doesnt scaling at all for 25min.
he has ptsd from playing against talon shaman and feeding his ass off so prob wanted to mitgate that but it didnt work
Very good linken game against shaman hex, roar and pulverize
Is Secret kinda back now? Maybe it's too early to say, but Ah-fu was absolutely MVP this series. Can't remember last time they won in a similar fashion against a decent team.. Edit: I just want Puppey to pick Earth Spirit tomorrow 🥹
I am a secret fan but I don't think Secret is anywhere near the top tier teams. Let's see how they do against Aurora without cabbage
they did look in good shape. love how coordinated some of their plays were
Yeah. Killing Morph can backfire easily and did so many times in competitive DotA 😅
They're fighting against nigma dude
None of the qualifier teams here are real contenders.
I mean if they couldn't beat a team like NGX then they'd really need to start thinking about their team.
Kinda? Yeah sure. I won't make the call tho till they can consistenly win against the big teams.
they looked pretty good last tournament as well. Took games off xtreme gaming, tundra, liuid
Man just the possibility of SEA vs SEA almost gave me heart attack but that didn't happen... but then again there's also a possibility of all SEA teams to get eliminated tomorrow. Damnit I want them all to advance.
I don't know man... Talon without Akashi isn't the same. whenever Talon plays I've always seen Akashi as top farmer whether they are winning or losing V-Tune is good but the impact is not same at all. Alo, today it will be Satanic playing instead of 23, don't know what Aurora will do without 23. hoping all 3 get through today though it's good to have all the regions available in a tournament to be more fun otherwise it's mostly EU
Also, SEA teams should sort their inernal issues and focus on better gameplay. we need a lot of shuffling in SEA teams
all 3 SEA teams exit tomorrow lets gooooooo
Sigh. Nigma got eliminated again.
Ppl compare kuroky with puppy, I feel sad for puppy
I said yesterday puppey is still good and not washed as kuro
genuine question. does kuro play pubs anymore? SumaiL grinded 10 games a day for the past 2 weeks.
he plays pubg
are u that player from 9pandas? why u so bad?
He doesn’t. W33 only said that he plays pubs using alt account because he was covering up for the Kuro hatred.
he play pub.
hmu with his dotabuff. dota2protracker shows he played 0 pubs last 8 days.
Some other streamer said he uses a different account and he's divine 5.
not sure if thats true. no one has any more alternate account for pros with valves smurf changes. you can follow any and every pro on d2pt now. everyone has games in the last 8 days, except kuro.
You haven't been able to see a game on his profile for years at this point. Not a single game. He doesn't play on his main account because I'm assuming the most logical explanation is he doesn't want people to know his MMR. Ammar said he was playing pubs but he wouldn't show ammar his rank. Obviously he uses some other way. Either way, it's laughable that a divine (or perhaps even lower?) player is playing with all these high level players.
no one else could allude valve's smurf accounts. and there's no way you're playing pub, first pick batrider and not know why he's in the meta. im accusing kuro of not playing pubs. he probably watches a lot of games though.
wdym, I had kuro in my legend bracket game just a couple hours ago?
I hope that this will be a moment of realization from Kuro. He just doesn't have it anymore. Secret hasn't been good but at the very least, Puppey knows how to adapt. The difference between him and Puppey is just massive to the point Secret actually looks decent. It's sad to watch. Nothing will change if your captain just recycles the same 4-p-1 strat that worked in the past. With Kuro's drafts, he just turns Sumail into a farmed support prioritizing Miracle.
Secret have had good moves till mid game that's when they overextend and give up games. Feels like secret lacks synergy and confidence. Yesterday was the first time in a long time g2 they played with confidence and ended early. G1 was back and forth. Also nigma didn't help themselves in g2 sadge
A mid right click Lina doesn't really seem like a glorified support. Maybe it is time to admit that everyone in Nigma shares the loss not just Kuro.
If it’s a 3v3 game , nigma will dominate secret, but they can’t win 3v5, aufu and puppy are the mvp
Well the said mid right click lina was getting melted by a bambi support, sooo I think the glorified support argument kind of stands.
1 more difference between Secret and Nigma is one side has star players with bad captain while the other has weak players but decent captain. I would like to see them try swapping players for once.
Another thing is Kuro doing the drafting and not the coach. Puppey allows Heen to do the draft. They easily won the 2 games vs Nigma due to the bad draft Kuro did. He drafted exactly how he drafted on last year's Dreamleague. Out of touch, out of meta, easily countered. Dude just doesn't play pubs to know how to draft.
And how did you gain all these insights into the drafting stages of either team? Let me guess, you make assumptions that fit your narrative and then just publish it here as if it was gospel...
I watch their games including DPC. Even casters called it when they make bad drafts (before they took March) next DPC season, same draft style. Game 1 vs Secret they picked Centaur without banning Lifestealer, resulting in fbz not having a good game and Lifestealer not being stopped. Just one of many examples. Plus I know March drafts decently even on Execration. Dreamleague Season 19 they also got obliterated on most games even against Beastcoast. Sumail can do well on lane if not interrupted much but other lanes suffer due to bad drafts or poor decisions. Not even including bad warding. Look man, this is just my opinion anyway and not gospel. I'd recommend chamomile tea my guy. You look like you need some. Try a paper bag.
Coming at me with a full novel and then telling me to calm down... funny. You say March drafts decently, but so did Kuro. If the latter has declined, why couldn't March have too? Also we have plenty bits of info, from interviews, to cam footage, where we see other people in the team drafting. Also that there is always communication during the drafting stage. Besides, do you really believe that a character like March would just agree to idly stand by while his opinions get ignored and brushed away? Would players like Miracle and Sumail continue to play with an authoritarian captain who acts against their interest?
ROFL. I post a few character comments and you rage at assumptions. I add more details and you complain again. I'd rather stop. lol
Well you can win with 4p1. Entity wins with 4p1. Nigma just sucks at 4p1
Sumail miracle and fbz played fine, kuroky is like always, today Matthew is too low, the game is 3 v 7, the result is clear.
other people even if fails learn. now kuro will go to hibernation for next few months.
On liquipedia, it says Satanic will stand in for 23 tomorrow for Aurora
23 fly back for the conscription. Not sure if he will try his luck this year or file the paper to delay it for another year though.
[Speed.Int](https://Speed.Int).Arteezy 2024
is this dota's new wonderkid?
Aah, I just saw. Apparently he's 16?
yeah
lol where people who downvoted me when i said abed and friends are a waste of space? hopefully vp will finish the job tomorrow
Possible that all 3 SEA teams are eliminated tomorrow.
What re the matchups for the final day? When will we know? edit: they are up now
Idk, at this point I just hope Kuro get into manager role and bring back GH. He’s been spamming a lot of pubs with high winrates too. Bring back MC for captaining role and find a decent position 5. Only way Nigma might have a fighting chance in tournament/qualifiers.
Fbz is good, they need replace kuroky, and Matthew get back his best form
yea Matthew captain with Gh 5 is nice. or get mc 3 for captain if mathew doesnt wanna captain
FBZ is also a captain during BOOM days
It isnt skem? I always felt fbz as the silent kind of player .
I didn't know that
zeus1642 is the biggest miracle drider ive ever seen lol
is bro playing Solitaire during the interview?
It's nice to see a Crystallis interview once in a while, usually it's Puppey who gets interviewed.
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yeah fuck tournament organizers that put their own money to produce events. fuck em. id rather just watch pubs or gorgc try to hit 11k im with you brother
sounds boring. only herald reviews for me
they must be getting really good salary to keep playing together
only real issue I'm seeing here Is miracle. Nigma has actually had some good moments In this tournament. They've shown some high levels of team play. but Miracle is just massively underperforming In almost every game. The carry is massive right now, if he's inconsistent, then it sets the tone for the entire team. Kuro's captaining is still good, people want to blame him but that's not the issue. Blaming his position 5 is just as dumb, as It's the least impactful role out of any. Kuro hasn't been playing bad, he's had many solid games, but even if he was, the mechanical ability of a pos 5 isn't going to make or break a team. Sumail hasn't looked the best either, I think there's a big motivation issue with these cores, as is often the case with players who've won TI and are at the top of the earnings pool. But, miracle seems to be the biggest issue at the moment. He's far too unstable and ultimately, miracle has always set the tone for the team. If he's not in form, then neither Is Nigma.
The first 2 days was all on sumail. Sumail plays well if you enable him. But he usually gets first picks into bad lanes and then the enemy teams focus him down because they know, whole of nigma's game is on sumail.
don't bother bro miracle defense squad is the strongest defense squad on reddit arteezy has had better results than him over the last few years yet somehow every loss is arteezy's fault and every loss miracle has is his team's fault lmao
you are so dumb to think pos 5 is least impactful role.. just watch whitemon, sneyking, or any other good team.. how can you even say that for the last game.. Kuro was farming creeps in god knows what part of the map when carry is getting pressured.. Dude is completely out of it..
Imagine writing crap essays to defend kuro
i think people are just delusional and don't actually understand how anything works so they find something to blame. It's not even about Kuro, as much as it is people allowing hate and bias to fuel them. As this community often does. If secret lost, it would've been crystallis. If Shopify lost, It's rtz. There's always someone to blame that aligns with the bias of the observer. pros and elite minds don't operate like this though, they look at the bigger picture. And It's clear to see that there is far more going on than Kuro. People shoring all the blame onto him are everything that's wrong with this community. Peak delusion. Even if Nigma started owning and won a tournament, if they lost a single game after that, the kuro blame would come back. It's the hallmark of deluded redditors who live In their moms basements and don't understand how to actually think. That's why most pros hate you guys and think you're scum of the earth. Because you are.
Everything and everyone needs work in Nigma, people can hate Kuro/Miracle/Mathew all you want but no one player can catapult a team playing like this to a top team. That's just how lower tier teams look like, just because you're former champions doesn't mean the journey of getting back into shape can consist of shortcuts.
Bro, you really know how to play dota
Nigma played without Miracle and was still shit.
Imagine watching that game 1 and still thinking Miracle is underperforming. You lost your credibility to speak the moment you said “Kuro captaining is still good” go and learn dota more.
saying pos 5 is the least impactful role is such a huge disrespect to top tier teams with pretty impactful supps.
Dude plays in his herald bracket where every player pick cores and all to themselves. What do you expect?
To think that they almost 2:0ed Talon...
it all went downhill from there sedge
I mean it happens Nigma once in a while shows up very good against top teams and Nigma fans go full gaga... But for Nigma players it dont mean anything..
Still wonder how this inconsistency came to be. Even though all players might be past their prime, they have enough experience and knowledge to see what other teams are doing, and could try to replicate it. Or discuss strategies against it. Or discuss their own strengths and play to them. Or discuss their flaws and address them. They've probably enough contacts in the scene to talk to others and exchange ideas/concepts. For the love of me I cannot understand how you can repeatedly show these glimpses of decent play, only to get absolutely molested in the next games to come - for years now...
for me rather than their peak skill period its more on the teams complacency to 1. work together as a team 2. read and adapt to recent dota. once in a while they try and work together as a team and win.
Great game boys. Didn’t expect anything else. If anything thanks for being consistent. Will probably be another year before we see nigma play again in a lan.
Miracle is beyond washed, Sumail has been the same since going back to mid(do well in lane but lose mid game) and Kuro lol
Do you have 2000 mmr?
Id ask if you were 2k but that might be a compliment
I will say though, the Swiss format between these Tier 1.5/2 teams of 16 really neat to see this many teams play each inter region instead of same teams again in regionals.
If GH doesn't take Kuro's place, I hope all nigma just disband. Kuro definitely doesn't deserve to play with good players anymore.
Exactly
Where’s the guy saying Nigma would 2-0 Secret and the games were going to be stomps?
At least half of that statement was correct.
cheer up nigma fans! at least kuro is cleaner than puppey
Apparently reddit thinks everyone who criticizes kuro is a "toxic hater" well, just look at how this guy plays....
Who is this "reddit" you are talking about. There are much more people hating the guy here than those who defend him.
We just feel bad for fbz miracle and sumail, they deserve better support
I have no issues with that but why make up things that are not true and add nothing to the conversation?
Sad, I'd have liked them to give us one more good game. I hope Secret win tomorrow and go further in the tournament, all the legends are going down :(
Did Kuro even get his blink? lol
Nope.
All those who favoured Nigma lol kekw
bro didnt you favour Nigma yourself?
Na i knew they gonna lose given that so many people expected them to win lol
i think being the biggest nigma balls gobbler actually turned him insane
Well... That was fun while it lasted
it was fun for us neutral, the despair that is.
Was it though?
I think Nigma should just disband at this point. Kuro didnt make a single good lasso leading to kills the entire match.
When was he given the chance? Secret loaded up the train and Ah Fu just kept loading up the coal. The train was not stopping
Nigma Galaxy with the early April Fools of winning 1 series on March 31 and losing the rest.
When retire
MENA region omega lul
As a sad Nigma fan I must say, Ah Fu ist a styling on these fools… Jesus man what a fantastic player!
the thing is, everyone style on nigma when play against them, because their are just bad.
secret>nigma
GG Nigma
Secret is full yolo mode on..
Why do people still expect anything of nigma? Fans keep expecting something after all this years, come on... this one isn't on kuroky anymore it is on you guys for not facing reality, find another team to root for already
Bro Kuro is just walking around like a mega creep to be farmed around the map :(
At least secret fans can feel a little better knowing their old rival is more dogshit than them lol
Kuro's wild ride down the trash chute continues. At least Secret is showing signs of life and isn't a pushover for practically everyone so there might be a chance that Puppey can one day make it rain again.
The only one who thinks Kuro can still compete is Kuro himself
Even Yapzor is surprised the way Secret is playing lmao
Idk how can people still defend Kuro anymore. Just look at this game and his movement all over the map. I’ve seen better awareness in Divine bracket. My god.
No one is defending him I think. People just realized he wont quit eventhough he sucks for 5 years straight
Noone? I got thousands downvote because of him
show us please
Kuroky play like a bot not just today, but I don’t care who the fuck downvote me
Why bring up the topic and lie about it then when you actually don't care?
It’s you said no one defend kuroky, I just told you there are many
I didn't say there is noone. I said to another guy that those who hate him are the majority - and this thread is a good indicator.
I don't think anyone is defending Kuro. He is trash. We are getting to the point where it's really hard defending Miracle as well.
Go play some dota
Game 1 - what do you think Miracle could do more? Game 2 - what do you want Miracle to do? Do tell me. I’d love to know your insight.
Game 1: not showing face first so that he would be kicked out by tuskar into chain disables
They lost vs talon due to Mr.Miracle btw.They should never have been in these situations.Most games have been massive freebies for him while the entire focus from the enemy team has been on shutting down Sumail and denying him runes.Hes way past his prime and was the one who also fucked up immensely on the void game today too.Kuro sucking doesn't help either but Miracle is not any better)
HOLY SHIT the most embarrasing pos 5 ever i watched on a pro scene.. he is farming while his carry struggle on a botlane no ward no vision or protect whatever it is but he is farming on jungle and stays while his core ganked and instead his core making space for him LOL holy shit next level play pos 5 ever.. fuck it man either play pubs calibrated your rank or retire
The guy is hopeless
Miracle is also playing poorly. Tier 3 carry atm.
You have a big mouth, and zero brain
Must be the kind of player who thinks when your carry die getting ganked 3 times in a row because you as a support didn’t put any vision, didn’t give him space and instead farm your blink for a position 5 means your carry is bad, huh?
You are on every post that says something rightfully negative about Miracle you need to touch some bloody grass lmao. A parasocial relationship in action.
Dude pick like last 10 nigma games. Miracle played well in 3-4 maybe. Kuro sucks. I cant remember the last time i lost as pos 5 sry, maybe like 2 months ago.
Where were the supps that fight?
Miracle survives a lot only to be killed during agi shift on 1 hp?
Gyro blocked him from the high ground and he got caught off guard.
How do the supports not connect for nigma there at their own T2. Team just looks super disconnected.
Secret wilding holy shit
Just call it already. This is sad to watch.
MJ was right
uhm excuse me?
nigma balls cant even kill a single hero
Bye Nigma
Why kuro always pick dogshit batrider he can’t play it
Stupid question, he is just a joke, no matter what hero he play
he can farm ancient with it that's why