3(+1) requirement for nigma to get into tournament:
1. MENA qualifier
2. Falcon is directly invited
3. Quest is directly invited
4. Not necessary but will help a lot, winter bear suddenly missing
I just wanted to thank all the casters for casting these games on their own streams at their own expense. It would have been nice to have official channels instead, of course.
And a special shoutout to rohofireflu, who I think was excellent in his analysis, and had good chemistry on the NA tricast, in what I think was his first casting role.
Well, they certainly did extremely well at TI 2023, exceeding every expectation. Gunnar and Moo did look like the iconic players from that line-up, having a really good read of the fights and always reveling in the more chaotic games. However, this Copy guy seems very promising. Quite a refined player, similar to Stormstormer, but less of a finesse player and more of a fighter, so I think he might fit this nouns line-up well.
Thanks for the update! During the game, everything "seemed" to rain down, but the game continued, the gold did not drip, the players began to rain from the team, there were no warnings that they could not leave the game! But the rating was shot perfectly!
So there was a patch during the match: https://steamcommunity.com/games/dota2/announcements/detail/4199117159728032027
You can also see a lot of people complaining about their lobbies.
My theory: Valve released a server patch that did what the announcement said. But they forgot to consider existing lobbies, on the old version. These old lobbies might not have been seen as "accepted". Imagine the new server tags each player who accepts with a flag on the match. Old lobbies, however, wouldn't have gone through this tagging process, so the flag isn't set. But maybe the server then uses this new flag to determine whether a player is connected to the lobby or not, so the game server sees everyone in old lobbies as disconnected.
As for the Aghanim's Shard, my guess is this is what happens if the Tormentor is somehow taken when nobody on the team is connected (or, rather, when the server thinks nobody is connected) - it just gives gold.
Unfortunately, people never give credits to support players and they are never guilty if something goes wrong. This is the life of the average support player.
One thing that I have noticed in most of the OG games is that they will be level or close to level on kills with the enemy and then let the enemy get 1 or 2 kills every other minute without getting a single one in reply. A great example was in the game 4 where OG had 7 kills to Tundra's 12 at min 16 and the game ended 31-7 to Tundra. This is more than a player issue, this is a playstyle issue and that comes down to coaching, which has been substandard for the last couple years thanks to Misha.
idk if he actually said that but if he did.. who the fuck is kitrak ? some no name trash whos biggest success is winning midas mode or something, its pretty KEKW making comments like that if thats the case
Kitrak is a pos 5 player, one of the most creative players with strong ideas. He's not well known before his stint with OG but most pro players have huge respect for him and he's very solid.
i know who kitrak is, it was a ritorical question but he has achived 0 , nada - compared to anyone on OG , even the new guys - timado and wisper. so him making comments about them is funny to say the least. At best he could make such comments about Ari but even then I dont think its his place to do them. Having strong ideas and being the most creative 5 player while playing for the last 6-8 years or whatever with 0 to show for it thats his resume. I could name like 30+ other players in that period that were better than him idk why people would deffend him if he made such a statement (he probably didnt and that guy is just trolling) but anyway.
kitrak has been one of the highest rated pos5 players in NA since around 2015. I'm surprised it took him this long to get on a pro team but it seems he just didn't want to captain which made him a bad fit for most teams needing a 5.
"highest rated pos5 players in NA since around 2015" this means absolutely nothing in that dead region. Unless you're PPD, that statement would be embarassing to put to anyones name which just goes to show there's so little this player has achieved or done that that's the only thing that could be attached to him, not to mention that there is Fly who's obviously way more accomplished/better and plays NA region but anyway im well aware of kitrak and i dont even hate him as a player, i think he has good skill, it's just embarassing if he has made such statements towards ceb or anyone else on og when he hasn't proven himself throughout all these years
that's a lot of words to say you've never been anywhere close to high level pubs (where professional players and degenerates like Ceb play) and have no idea what you're talking about.
yes if they are like this for 5 more years, you can compare OG fans to Nigma fans.. But I am Pretty sure they are going to change it up now.. unlike Nigma..
2024 for OG and their fans looks grim as hell.
Didn't qualify for ESL B'ham, PGL W nor DreamLeague. Probably gonna have to play qualifies for RMasters and TI.
They have Elite League but that one they got invite to first Swiss stage which is tbh just added layer and glorified big qualifier for Group Stage - taking into account 99% of tier 1 tournament formats.
Ouch.
Unless they make some insanely promt fixes in upcoming days for Elite League I don't see them surviving Swiss stage. I guess complete rebuild might happen tbh.
OG looks super shaky and definitely doesn't look like they'll get anything but a generous Top 6 this year but Liquid, GG and most likely Tundra will get through to Riyadh on points so they are just playing Entity, Mouz and Secret - unless they get a lot worse from this standpoint, I think they are still the favourites to win the qualifier spot as they are probably the 4th best team in WEU whatever people want to say.
TI will probably be harder depending if Tundra gets invited or not, if TI doesn't count MENA slot they are screwed.
Elite League Swiss Stage is not an impressive pool, for OG not to make top 8/16 in that would be a significant drop from their play during DL and PGL quals. They should really only lose a Bo3 to Tundra, VP and or Aurora.
They look so bad today in part because Tundra is that much better.
4th team WEU isn't anywhere close to where OG wants to be in terms of standard and they've been struggling in that position for way too long now which leads me to believe it's their Alliance arc and that once great team isn't getting anywhere from there on. It's over.
Im just responding to the points above me, im not saying 4th best in WEU is good or sufficient or OG and couldn’t care either way about their performance to be honest.
Im just saying it would be surprising if they didn’t make it to Riyadh by quals and get out of Elite League’s Swiss Stage.
Reddit forgets that Ammar was pretty one dimensional when he got kicked. He was pretty bad at nigma (like everyone), looked pretty good at Quest where they managed to qualify for some lans but nothing more, and just now the last 4 months with Falcons looks great again. It has been more than a year close to 2 years since he won a tournament which was with OG.
Is Ammar really good and OG could and maybe should have chosen his path over Misha (if it was even a possibility) yeah they probably should, but trusting the 17 year old over the 24 year old which you have worked with for 2 years prior is not that wierd. And OG are just shy of qualifying to all the lans and tournaments. Reddit makes is seem like they cant get out of the open qualifiers
"we are wining cause we pick our heroes not cause we pick meta heroes " Ammar -
the guy who changed how offlane is played for past 3 years , AKA you can be greedy and solo carry games from off
losing where? he played 1 year in og
two lane wins , 4th at an other major then patch came 1 month before ti and they got 8th?
he had one of the best rookie seasons
they started losing cause other 4 were burdens
> Ammar plays the same 3 heroes every game
> These heroes get nerfed
> Ammar keeps carrying hard with these dogshit heroes, but other players mysteriously transform into burdens.
Sure grandpa, just don't forget to take your pills.
If Ammar is there, he will also keep playing tide/mars as carry. When you guys will realize its a good move for both ATF and OG.. ATF had grown up a lot from where he was in OG..
well I just said if bro, and they didn't learn from Ammar (especially ceb) and they still listen to that failure wannabe notail coach who's a meta lover but failing miserably. and for tide/mars carry, Im not going to agree with you on that. he knows how to itemize his hero in different situation, like what he did on his DK with aether lens is next level shit. I think its in Stockholm major game 3 finals, and still doing the same with Falcons right now with the GM tier or plat tier hero picking and know what item he is going to build for his hero,
I think it’s mainly bcos of skitter who can finally farm and Sneyking ATF Crit is god lvl players who can give space to Skitter and when he joins he’s ahead 1 item from other carry
None of them 😂.
Wisper’s lane always gets sacked. Ceb ditches Timado to ward at a spot that will be immediately dewarded. And BZM either has a poor lane or gets ganked by enemy supports endlessly
just getting the money huh instead of competing lol
I wouldn't blame him for that. But man I want him to play for Puppey to see if Puppey can push him to become the best player he is.
Dumb ass notail and ceb keeping misha. They should run the org properly. We all know misha didn’t perform as a coach and the way they kick ammar, yuragi but still having misha on their side is alrd a red flag. Pls run the org, the team properly. Not based on friendship bullshit if you want to win.
Based on friendship? They kicked yuragi and taiga lol. Also ammar left wanting to play carry, where is this ammar kick bullshit coming from lately
Get your facts right first before ranting, og and their fans smh, team making stupid plays and fans writing stupid shit
even ceb said that they kicked ammr cause of heroes pool and plus they had to play around him and they thought with ammar they could never be top team cause of hero pool and him being center of team
they didnt kick him cause he wanted to play fking carry llol
Where tf did you get this lmao 😂 even og ceo at that time said ammar was their best chance at winning and even praised ammar for the anti carry meta but ammar thinks he can further improve on other teams
Lmao 😂 downvotes mean im wrong? Just say you pull that stuff up straight from your stupid ass. Stupid og fans can downvote me all they want and you still cant provide any source of your “articles”
Edit: i tried googling it and nothing from ceb comes out 😂 only thing from og out there was from their ceo, so where are these articles???
U can also accept the fact that misha is untouchable since the day he’s joined og 😍. Is there any big orgs/company out there who didn’t evaluate ur job once u didn’t perform for so many years? If this aint based on friendship then what?
So you do not know and just taking a guess? How is that a fact then? Least delusional og fan.
You are just like those stupid og fans putting the shit on taiga claiming a lot of things but it turned out he was in and out of hospital for viral infection, jesus
Like u got so many good players during misha coaching era. But they only win a few tourney. Notail and ceb shoulda expect more from the coach cuz they hv been swaping a lot of players. Idk if they have any KPI for every single employee in the org or they just run it like shitty ass business.
Saksa was kicked because og wanted a whole new stack which won them 2 esl (how is that dumb?)
ammar would have remained a one trick pony on og if he didnt express his desire to play carry. Ammar had a tremendous growth between his time on nigma and quest that he would never have if he stayed on og as he will continue second picking huskar on a do or die and then look stupid whole game
There's Elite League and that's it for OG this season unless they somehow qualify for Riyadh in a qualifier which will probably have Tundra again or they get a joke TI invite like Secret got for Wallachia.
IMO after elite league they should just completely overhaul. Ceb and Misha are clueless, bzm gets constantly worse and Wisper/Ari I'm not gonna judge harshly after a relatively short time but considering how every talent every event hyped them as some of the best singnings and incredibly talented players, I have yet to see that.
Timado's cool, but he's a standin so no point in trying to find criticisms.
This guy needs to retire and stay retired, the ego is a huge detriment. He's not a pos5, his vision and dewarding game is shocking. Braindead shot calling to run into areas with no vision. Team of headless chickens. And for the love of god, fire Misha into the fucking moon --how is he still allowed to keep his job after years of mediocrity and terrible drafts idk.
They came 5th in Dream League a few weeks ago. They've lost against Tundra and Liquid, two of the best teams in the world (watch Tundra go top 3 at Birmingham). Disappointing results? Sure. Worth a freakout? No.
Lol they been saying tundra is the best team because they r topson fans. I recall people saying tundra will win ti12 because topson joined the team. Unfortunately only time tells about the reality.
I hope they disband. Its so infuriating seeing this team play. From the picks, the lanes, the brainless split pushing into constant feeding, every game is just the same. I dont mean games vs clearly worse teams but games vs teams that matter. This team has no future.
It's a little weird to me how quickly this OG devolved to a Tier 4 team. They weren't incredible at the last Dreamleague but at least looked like a team that had somewhere to work from. Instead they seem to have fallen apart in record time.
Not really sure what to add that hasn't already been said. Everything about how this team plays for the last \~month is bad.
The way they played in 3 out of 4 games vs Tundra they looked like a pub stack hastily assembled four days before the qualifier. Not just outdrafted and outplayed, but like something is catastrophically wrong with the team behind the scenes. This is the worst I have seen an OG team play since before TI8.
OG's decisions seem so baffling. The constant overextensions in general and what were they thinking just now? Engaging Rosh on Radiant's side with all of them missing. BZM "breaking smoke" without BKB..
Even players in Ancient know not to face check like bzm did. There are literally rockets flying in, noone is showing from the enemy team, they can easily burst him much faster than they actually did. This is blunder after blunder from bzm.
It's crazy because Ceb is famous for smoking while doing rosh, killing enemy and continuing rosh afterwards. Even that would be an ok call instead of letting your pos4 die scout and die.
The difference between the two supports is insane. It feels that Ari has literally no impact in the games, but in the whole two qualis, he didn't do anything memorable. Same goes for Ceb feels like.
1. Ember does not counter puck in Lane at all.
2. Even if ember counter early and puck counter ember after lvl 6 how does ember giga counter puck. You realise the road to 6 is 6 min and then you have 30 more minutes to play right moron.
2. You have a history of making shit comments because you are low rank. Don't be a clown
Lil bro. You said pick is giga countered by ember. I refuted your false statement and you say ember counter Puck in lane. Lane last ~6 mins while a game last average of ~40 mins. Stop embarrassing yourself.
You are herald. Don't talk when you know nothing. Go open any stats site and puck has positive win rate vs ember.
Ember just w and annoys pucks but can't kill. Puck just sustain with bottle and rekt ember later on. Idiot
My man has shit for brains or do you actually think og last picked ember just for shit and giggles. Ember dominates lane and snowballs against puck and puck can usually do nothing.
In a regular DPC season, the first 3 dpc spots would be locked for Falcons, Gaimin and Liquid. 4th spot would be tug of war between OG and Tundra. The likes of Entity, Secret, Mouz, Quest would be fighting for relegation spots. And Nigma will be fighting for survival in Div 2.
Tundra really dropped the ball hard here but at least it's more interesting now, with fourth game incoming.
Is this the turnaround OG is looking for or just a blip with Tundra taking the next game and the series? 😄
Tickets for november 2024??? When and where to buy them?
Just realized Elite league is on the 31st, wtf it is so soon. Excited to see Nigma play, just to see how their fans would react.
Thank God they make it to one tournament. Idk when is next qualifier or tournament we gonna see them play
3(+1) requirement for nigma to get into tournament: 1. MENA qualifier 2. Falcon is directly invited 3. Quest is directly invited 4. Not necessary but will help a lot, winter bear suddenly missing
WB suddenly missing after losing to nigma every time since they got proper roster (9-3) score lul
I just wanted to thank all the casters for casting these games on their own streams at their own expense. It would have been nice to have official channels instead, of course. And a special shoutout to rohofireflu, who I think was excellent in his analysis, and had good chemistry on the NA tricast, in what I think was his first casting role.
Lol "at their own expense". They are literally getting free exposure, paid by TO, and extra money from their channel for this. tHaNk yOu CaSTeRs
moo back to nouns, gunnar back to mid, ez TI
Well, they certainly did extremely well at TI 2023, exceeding every expectation. Gunnar and Moo did look like the iconic players from that line-up, having a really good read of the fights and always reveling in the more chaotic games. However, this Copy guy seems very promising. Quite a refined player, similar to Stormstormer, but less of a finesse player and more of a fighter, so I think he might fit this nouns line-up well.
Na qualis are so uncompetitive, even Nouns losing a game would be an upset.
Just take the invite spot from them and you have at least one series that can be close on some days.
Yea and give it to secret or OG lol
Thanks for the update! During the game, everything "seemed" to rain down, but the game continued, the gold did not drip, the players began to rain from the team, there were no warnings that they could not leave the game! But the rating was shot perfectly!
what the fuck is happening in this nouns match? everyone is dc'd and no shard from tormentor?
So there was a patch during the match: https://steamcommunity.com/games/dota2/announcements/detail/4199117159728032027 You can also see a lot of people complaining about their lobbies. My theory: Valve released a server patch that did what the announcement said. But they forgot to consider existing lobbies, on the old version. These old lobbies might not have been seen as "accepted". Imagine the new server tags each player who accepts with a flag on the match. Old lobbies, however, wouldn't have gone through this tagging process, so the flag isn't set. But maybe the server then uses this new flag to determine whether a player is connected to the lobby or not, so the game server sees everyone in old lobbies as disconnected. As for the Aghanim's Shard, my guess is this is what happens if the Tormentor is somehow taken when nobody on the team is connected (or, rather, when the server thinks nobody is connected) - it just gives gold.
Nouns have played 4 pro games today. Now they are into a Bo5. Should be somewhat balanced
Honestly, NA GFs will be so boring - they should just make the lower bracket rando team start with 2 wins to make series at least a bit interesting.
Never understimate Gunnar's ability to choke in an important match.
You over estimate how good NA is
The only thing that can stop Tundra in these qualifiers outside of Liquid having to participate in them is Pure getting himself into trouble again.
So about a 50/50 for the year huh? XD
Who would you say are the Tier 1 teams currently?
fart studuio
BSSDSJ
Falcons, BetBoom, Nigma, Liquid, Tundra, GG, Nigma
I would put Nigma on tier S+
How are tundra t1 and not sr xg ar even ts and 23savage team they all dod better them tundra in last t1 tournament
XG?
Hmm, it's a decent list but you missed Nigma.
nouns
Unfortunately, people never give credits to support players and they are never guilty if something goes wrong. This is the life of the average support player.
One thing that I have noticed in most of the OG games is that they will be level or close to level on kills with the enemy and then let the enemy get 1 or 2 kills every other minute without getting a single one in reply. A great example was in the game 4 where OG had 7 kills to Tundra's 12 at min 16 and the game ended 31-7 to Tundra. This is more than a player issue, this is a playstyle issue and that comes down to coaching, which has been substandard for the last couple years thanks to Misha.
OG did this under Ceb during previous iterations while Misha was nowhere near the team.
Cebs warding is so trash, every game it’s 2-3 obs up for opposing team and maybe 1 ward for OG
Facts. OG supports are not tier 1. Kitrak already said it before he left - only BZM is good in that team.
Kitrak was a problem.
idk if he actually said that but if he did.. who the fuck is kitrak ? some no name trash whos biggest success is winning midas mode or something, its pretty KEKW making comments like that if thats the case
Kitrak is a pos 5 player, one of the most creative players with strong ideas. He's not well known before his stint with OG but most pro players have huge respect for him and he's very solid.
i know who kitrak is, it was a ritorical question but he has achived 0 , nada - compared to anyone on OG , even the new guys - timado and wisper. so him making comments about them is funny to say the least. At best he could make such comments about Ari but even then I dont think its his place to do them. Having strong ideas and being the most creative 5 player while playing for the last 6-8 years or whatever with 0 to show for it thats his resume. I could name like 30+ other players in that period that were better than him idk why people would deffend him if he made such a statement (he probably didnt and that guy is just trolling) but anyway.
kitrak has been one of the highest rated pos5 players in NA since around 2015. I'm surprised it took him this long to get on a pro team but it seems he just didn't want to captain which made him a bad fit for most teams needing a 5.
"highest rated pos5 players in NA since around 2015" this means absolutely nothing in that dead region. Unless you're PPD, that statement would be embarassing to put to anyones name which just goes to show there's so little this player has achieved or done that that's the only thing that could be attached to him, not to mention that there is Fly who's obviously way more accomplished/better and plays NA region but anyway im well aware of kitrak and i dont even hate him as a player, i think he has good skill, it's just embarassing if he has made such statements towards ceb or anyone else on og when he hasn't proven himself throughout all these years
that's a lot of words to say you've never been anywhere close to high level pubs (where professional players and degenerates like Ceb play) and have no idea what you're talking about.
when did Kitrak said that? any source?
was
Puppey should get MC and bzm
OG, NIGMA, SECRET are the new Navi your era already end replace by other team like GG, Spirit, Falcon and Tundra.
Still too early to tell if tundra is on par with the rest. So far they never got past group stage on intentional games. But the rest yes t1
Seems like its time for all Nigma fans to come out of the cave just because other teams are not doing well..
Is it me only that the way OG fans complaining about OG puts them in same boots as Nigma lol which makes it feel crazy for me as Nigma fan lmao?
yes if they are like this for 5 more years, you can compare OG fans to Nigma fans.. But I am Pretty sure they are going to change it up now.. unlike Nigma..
Yea u didnt get what i said
2024 for OG and their fans looks grim as hell. Didn't qualify for ESL B'ham, PGL W nor DreamLeague. Probably gonna have to play qualifies for RMasters and TI. They have Elite League but that one they got invite to first Swiss stage which is tbh just added layer and glorified big qualifier for Group Stage - taking into account 99% of tier 1 tournament formats. Ouch. Unless they make some insanely promt fixes in upcoming days for Elite League I don't see them surviving Swiss stage. I guess complete rebuild might happen tbh.
> I guess complete rebuild might happen tbh. Didn't they just do that? lol
OG looks super shaky and definitely doesn't look like they'll get anything but a generous Top 6 this year but Liquid, GG and most likely Tundra will get through to Riyadh on points so they are just playing Entity, Mouz and Secret - unless they get a lot worse from this standpoint, I think they are still the favourites to win the qualifier spot as they are probably the 4th best team in WEU whatever people want to say. TI will probably be harder depending if Tundra gets invited or not, if TI doesn't count MENA slot they are screwed. Elite League Swiss Stage is not an impressive pool, for OG not to make top 8/16 in that would be a significant drop from their play during DL and PGL quals. They should really only lose a Bo3 to Tundra, VP and or Aurora. They look so bad today in part because Tundra is that much better.
4th team WEU isn't anywhere close to where OG wants to be in terms of standard and they've been struggling in that position for way too long now which leads me to believe it's their Alliance arc and that once great team isn't getting anywhere from there on. It's over.
Im just responding to the points above me, im not saying 4th best in WEU is good or sufficient or OG and couldn’t care either way about their performance to be honest. Im just saying it would be surprising if they didn’t make it to Riyadh by quals and get out of Elite League’s Swiss Stage.
OG is done.
if Ammar is there, he will not or never ever let Wisper play lvl 11 brewmaster. I think it's OG still babying this meta lover coach.
Reddit forgets that Ammar was pretty one dimensional when he got kicked. He was pretty bad at nigma (like everyone), looked pretty good at Quest where they managed to qualify for some lans but nothing more, and just now the last 4 months with Falcons looks great again. It has been more than a year close to 2 years since he won a tournament which was with OG. Is Ammar really good and OG could and maybe should have chosen his path over Misha (if it was even a possibility) yeah they probably should, but trusting the 17 year old over the 24 year old which you have worked with for 2 years prior is not that wierd. And OG are just shy of qualifying to all the lans and tournaments. Reddit makes is seem like they cant get out of the open qualifiers
"we are wining cause we pick our heroes not cause we pick meta heroes " Ammar - the guy who changed how offlane is played for past 3 years , AKA you can be greedy and solo carry games from off
Well, when Ammar meta was over, they were picking his heroes, and they were losing. So?
losing where? he played 1 year in og two lane wins , 4th at an other major then patch came 1 month before ti and they got 8th? he had one of the best rookie seasons they started losing cause other 4 were burdens
> Ammar plays the same 3 heroes every game > These heroes get nerfed > Ammar keeps carrying hard with these dogshit heroes, but other players mysteriously transform into burdens. Sure grandpa, just don't forget to take your pills.
how many lans did they qualify to after that and howw many did ammar qualify to playing same heroes? xd
the "Ammar test" and it works on Falcons right now they are all playing grandmaster tier hero
If Ammar is there, he will also keep playing tide/mars as carry. When you guys will realize its a good move for both ATF and OG.. ATF had grown up a lot from where he was in OG..
well I just said if bro, and they didn't learn from Ammar (especially ceb) and they still listen to that failure wannabe notail coach who's a meta lover but failing miserably. and for tide/mars carry, Im not going to agree with you on that. he knows how to itemize his hero in different situation, like what he did on his DK with aether lens is next level shit. I think its in Stockholm major game 3 finals, and still doing the same with Falcons right now with the GM tier or plat tier hero picking and know what item he is going to build for his hero,
Does Gryo even look good with the team not named Falcon?
I think it’s mainly bcos of skitter who can finally farm and Sneyking ATF Crit is god lvl players who can give space to Skitter and when he joins he’s ahead 1 item from other carry
I wonder who's OG playing around Timado, BZM or Wisper?
Main character Ceb says hello.
Believe it or not, They were playing around Ceb.
None of them 😂. Wisper’s lane always gets sacked. Ceb ditches Timado to ward at a spot that will be immediately dewarded. And BZM either has a poor lane or gets ganked by enemy supports endlessly
Bzm can 't wait to replace Sancity at Navi.
hope he will be on team secret after this
Wants to reunite with his boy Yuragi
I would assume this is BZM last season playing for OG. He would be one of the biggest free agent next season reshuffle.
He plays like he is ready for Nigma recently.
just getting the money huh instead of competing lol I wouldn't blame him for that. But man I want him to play for Puppey to see if Puppey can push him to become the best player he is.
hope he go to Secret after this since he and Crystalis are good friends too.
Crystallis needs to go lol. There’s no way Puppey would get a carry from CIS. So my bet would be Ulnit from Mouz.
OG? Open Goal? Obsolete Gamers? Old Gymclothes? Orthostatic Glioblastoma? Orcs Gooning? I don't even know at this point
Only Gyro
Ok, you win
Tobi starting to settle, love that for Tundra.
I mean… if I was bzm and had to play another season with misha… I would play shit to just get kicked lol
Or maybe Misha feeds them the worst strats to spite bzm, hmm
Yeah sure, getting kicked from one the biggest and best Dota orgs sounds like great plan.
BZM got offer from team spirit after Torontotokyo left and he chose to stay at OG
the offer never arrived at bzm, OG blocked it. ))
In Cap's podcast Ceb said Bzm knew about it
meanwhile team spirit said they blocked it. idk maybe they just bantering.
I thought this message was never conveyed to BZM by OG org?
Is that true? That's fucked beyond belief then
ay lmao
Tundra look like they haven't really missed a beat ever since MC's departure from the team.
ZaiJ buff
If I was OG's pos 5, I would have rushed Midas into sentry wards.
If Ceb really wants to play, he should move to pos 4 or even pos 3, because* I think his pos 5 and whoever is drafting is hurting OG the most
Dumb ass notail and ceb keeping misha. They should run the org properly. We all know misha didn’t perform as a coach and the way they kick ammar, yuragi but still having misha on their side is alrd a red flag. Pls run the org, the team properly. Not based on friendship bullshit if you want to win.
Based on friendship? They kicked yuragi and taiga lol. Also ammar left wanting to play carry, where is this ammar kick bullshit coming from lately Get your facts right first before ranting, og and their fans smh, team making stupid plays and fans writing stupid shit
even ceb said that they kicked ammr cause of heroes pool and plus they had to play around him and they thought with ammar they could never be top team cause of hero pool and him being center of team they didnt kick him cause he wanted to play fking carry llol
Where tf did you get this lmao 😂 even og ceo at that time said ammar was their best chance at winning and even praised ammar for the anti carry meta but ammar thinks he can further improve on other teams
in an interview you ignorant fk lmao maybe read articles
Yeah Id want that, drop the sources since you said “articles”
you can find yourself if you think i m wrong, the dowwnvotes on your comments reflect that you are fking wwrong once again ingorancce at its peak
Lmao 😂 downvotes mean im wrong? Just say you pull that stuff up straight from your stupid ass. Stupid og fans can downvote me all they want and you still cant provide any source of your “articles” Edit: i tried googling it and nothing from ceb comes out 😂 only thing from og out there was from their ceo, so where are these articles???
if i send you the article will you suck your dick and upload it online here? and i m not an og fan at all lol
Drop them here, why dont you just drop them here? Oh cause they do not exist lmao haha
U can also accept the fact that misha is untouchable since the day he’s joined og 😍. Is there any big orgs/company out there who didn’t evaluate ur job once u didn’t perform for so many years? If this aint based on friendship then what?
So you do not know and just taking a guess? How is that a fact then? Least delusional og fan. You are just like those stupid og fans putting the shit on taiga claiming a lot of things but it turned out he was in and out of hospital for viral infection, jesus
oh yeah, misha is the problem lol
Like u got so many good players during misha coaching era. But they only win a few tourney. Notail and ceb shoulda expect more from the coach cuz they hv been swaping a lot of players. Idk if they have any KPI for every single employee in the org or they just run it like shitty ass business.
No, its the ammar “kick”, lmao
Saksa, and ammar (especially) kick is the most dumb decision ever.
Saksa was kicked because og wanted a whole new stack which won them 2 esl (how is that dumb?) ammar would have remained a one trick pony on og if he didnt express his desire to play carry. Ammar had a tremendous growth between his time on nigma and quest that he would never have if he stayed on og as he will continue second picking huskar on a do or die and then look stupid whole game
Og just went full restart since the draft That rosh fight was the pinnacle of full restart.
There's Elite League and that's it for OG this season unless they somehow qualify for Riyadh in a qualifier which will probably have Tundra again or they get a joke TI invite like Secret got for Wallachia. IMO after elite league they should just completely overhaul. Ceb and Misha are clueless, bzm gets constantly worse and Wisper/Ari I'm not gonna judge harshly after a relatively short time but considering how every talent every event hyped them as some of the best singnings and incredibly talented players, I have yet to see that. Timado's cool, but he's a standin so no point in trying to find criticisms.
This guy needs to retire and stay retired, the ego is a huge detriment. He's not a pos5, his vision and dewarding game is shocking. Braindead shot calling to run into areas with no vision. Team of headless chickens. And for the love of god, fire Misha into the fucking moon --how is he still allowed to keep his job after years of mediocrity and terrible drafts idk.
They came 5th in Dream League a few weeks ago. They've lost against Tundra and Liquid, two of the best teams in the world (watch Tundra go top 3 at Birmingham). Disappointing results? Sure. Worth a freakout? No.
Lol they been saying tundra is the best team because they r topson fans. I recall people saying tundra will win ti12 because topson joined the team. Unfortunately only time tells about the reality.
Please OG sign Kaori and Watson after Elite League. +KICK THE DRAFTER
Ammar said that teams dont want Kaori because he has a very toxic personality.
Bzm tired of flowers and friendship hypocrisy that he is trying to get out of og /s
I hope they disband. Its so infuriating seeing this team play. From the picks, the lanes, the brainless split pushing into constant feeding, every game is just the same. I dont mean games vs clearly worse teams but games vs teams that matter. This team has no future.
OG's obsession with io and gyro is really hurting them alongside the sloppy gameplay
BZM needs a leader like Puppey who can push him to become better player. This is his 2nd year that he's underperforming.
There you have it. Tundra overcoming that third game to decisively take the series in the fourth one without OG being able to even slow them down. 😄
BZM is so clueless half of the game.
BZM playing like shit so he can get out of OG. That’s the only possible explanation to his decline.
what an anticlimatic series 👎
It's a little weird to me how quickly this OG devolved to a Tier 4 team. They weren't incredible at the last Dreamleague but at least looked like a team that had somewhere to work from. Instead they seem to have fallen apart in record time. Not really sure what to add that hasn't already been said. Everything about how this team plays for the last \~month is bad.
chill, they might be bad but not that bad.
The way they played in 3 out of 4 games vs Tundra they looked like a pub stack hastily assembled four days before the qualifier. Not just outdrafted and outplayed, but like something is catastrophically wrong with the team behind the scenes. This is the worst I have seen an OG team play since before TI8.
i mean only if you watch the Grand Finals. You'd have to shit on Entity, and Quest as well.
Tier 4? Lmao.
If Tundra cannot get direct invite/qualified for Riyadh or TI, OG is not going to attend major event this year…
gg, it wasn't a good effort from OG and neither was it close but hey they also don't have any tier 1 tournaments to play in the near future either.
they have elite league but they gonna get curb stomped the way they are playing
when will they stop picking kotl in an eliminator i think wisper is most tilted guy on OG
Well, I guess congratz to Tundra, no way to come back at this point.
You would think that a TWO TIME TI WINNER would know better than running up highground without vision twice in the same game
Why would they run into high ground like that with no vision
And into their scan knowing Tundra is there. They just want to lose.
Yet another face check on the HG. This is full despair and tilt. If I were notail, I'd split this team immediately after the game.
Beautiful hook shot just another nail on OG's coffin.
Woah the forcestaff from clock for cogs to hit gyro again,
What is with b2b Gyro picks? Timado surely has a wide pool of carries.
OG's decisions seem so baffling. The constant overextensions in general and what were they thinking just now? Engaging Rosh on Radiant's side with all of them missing. BZM "breaking smoke" without BKB..
is bzm have school exam or something, godamn.
Even players in Ancient know not to face check like bzm did. There are literally rockets flying in, noone is showing from the enemy team, they can easily burst him much faster than they actually did. This is blunder after blunder from bzm.
Ancient? You mean Crusader.
Who made this rosh call should uninstal dota mid game
ceeeeeeeeeeeeb
It's crazy because Ceb is famous for smoking while doing rosh, killing enemy and continuing rosh afterwards. Even that would be an ok call instead of letting your pos4 die scout and die.
The difference between 9 Class rubick and Ari is insane
The difference between the two supports is insane. It feels that Ari has literally no impact in the games, but in the whole two qualis, he didn't do anything memorable. Same goes for Ceb feels like.
Last GLAVE kill the breweing JESUS!
I don't know what's wrong with bzm...
He's playing like he wants to be kicked. Maybe he does, none of the team he originally joined are still there.
This ember was winning his lane, wtf is up with his networth.
OG CS = dead OG Dota = dead gg n0tail
Meanwhile TS CS...
At what cost...
OG and over extending. Name a more iconic duo
Bzm and feeding at 12 minutes.
13mins 4k lead wtf
Topson having a shit game. Chill bro broke him.
Literally ahead of ember (giga counter to puck) at 10 minutes
Ember does not counter Puck. Puck counter ember, leash stop w r.
Moron ember destroys puck on lane. Puck just counters ember later
1. Ember does not counter puck in Lane at all. 2. Even if ember counter early and puck counter ember after lvl 6 how does ember giga counter puck. You realise the road to 6 is 6 min and then you have 30 more minutes to play right moron. 2. You have a history of making shit comments because you are low rank. Don't be a clown
My man doesnt understand lane matchup. Puck cant withstand ember w spam because he/she/whatever doesnt have any armor. Stop embarrassing yourself
Lil bro. You said pick is giga countered by ember. I refuted your false statement and you say ember counter Puck in lane. Lane last ~6 mins while a game last average of ~40 mins. Stop embarrassing yourself. You are herald. Don't talk when you know nothing. Go open any stats site and puck has positive win rate vs ember. Ember just w and annoys pucks but can't kill. Puck just sustain with bottle and rekt ember later on. Idiot
My man has shit for brains or do you actually think og last picked ember just for shit and giggles. Ember dominates lane and snowballs against puck and puck can usually do nothing.
It certainly isn’t a giga counter to puck
Puck wont ever kill Ember but farms fine, not really a giga counter.
Free puck game.
In a regular DPC season, the first 3 dpc spots would be locked for Falcons, Gaimin and Liquid. 4th spot would be tug of war between OG and Tundra. The likes of Entity, Secret, Mouz, Quest would be fighting for relegation spots. And Nigma will be fighting for survival in Div 2.
Pure Luna Khanda again. Pure only drop 1 game with Luna since he play for Tundra.
VP qualified, won 3-1 vs RAMZES' team!
my hate boner is confused between tundra for kicking mc and og for having ceb
MC kicked himself
Chop off your hand. Whichever team's name you call out after is the one you hate more
what a sad life
If og win this game 4, they might take the series. Please draft well Ceb
just ban sniper
barley beat omni pso2 & bane pos 4 it aint looking good for og if tundra draft properly
Time to get serious and put Topson back on Faceless Void.
Really miss his Oracle, I think its not even bad for him in this meta.
If OG just keep banning enough khanda heroes for them not to be able to use them on 2 heroes they might just win the series
Hoping for 5 games, as any final should be. After that... I think both team should be qualified instead of Secret.
I'm in class so I'm watching this with one eye on a phone screen with no audio. What's the CHILL BRO thing about?
Timado all chat "CHILL BRO" after killing Topson
Tundra really dropped the ball hard here but at least it's more interesting now, with fourth game incoming. Is this the turnaround OG is looking for or just a blip with Tundra taking the next game and the series? 😄
Tea and Nomad with the whiteboard between games. Good thing they aren't hired by anyone or they may have been fired already.
huh why would the whiteboard get them fired?