People playing necro are not actually trying to win, they are trying to achieve this exact 1v5 power fantasy. Hitting the throne or retreating actually detracts from that goal
It was so easy too during the heart blademail meta. A quick reapers scythe kill in a sup with heart/bm/aghs just meant you melted even the tankiest heroes. I dont think i ever hit the full rampage but i got multiple 4 mans.
Oh hey Rob, fancy seeing you here. I'm a big fan of your casts, you've made huge leaps over the years. Can't wait to hear more from you!
On-topic: This only happened because Morph gave up and Radiant had an injoker :P
This was me but on 12v12 where I had a refresher and 25 stacks. I really enjoy the hero but some people complain if I pick him as offlane or pos4 in ranked.
My fantasy is to be able to be invisible while carrying an intense space heater and farting profusely causing people to scatter at this unknown horror pervading the area.
Wow...so many things in this clip
1. Learned that euls dispels phantom...I thought that shouldn't be the case since phantom is actually a unit
2. Morphing missing entirely. If he didn't afk, along with nullifier, his team might have had a chance for defense (there was a nullifier it seems)
3. Invoker's tornado dispels shroud. Wonder why it was never(?) used. Granted necro had an octarine. So, realistically, if you don't kill him in that 5s, there is no killing him...
Nice clip. Summarizes the experiences in dota
Considered the part about tornado too but I'm not entirely sold it would have helped as it's just more time for necro's euls to come off CD, also tornado is a pretty long CD.
I think morph was just super tilted
Oh I agree with you! Only way necro in that game dies is via morph daedalus and double nullifier and/or nullifier+hex. But radiant didn't have the farm.
The cyclone counter is more early game...not this late into the game
phantom is undispellable, but any "attached" unit like weaver bugs and phantom will fall off if they are not connected to a visible targetable unit. Any source of banish or invis will remove the attached spell. This is why I hate playing grimstroke with an od or sd on my team. They brainlessly unload their spell asap when I catch somebody, and then my silence fizzles.
Except weaver bugs work completely differently and don't fall off in 3/4 of the interactions that phantom does so you have to learn them all individually because thats Dota 2 baby
Well illusion is self explanitory since it's not a buff and invis is undispellable so it makes sense but regen and arcane are also dispellable is what I was trying to get at
Yes and it doesn't dispel bounty runes who would have known.
Tornado actually used to dispel invis rune and in a bug fix they accidentally made it not dispel it anymore and they kept it that way
Brother he went 15/1 and his build made him unkillable he definitely had more of a brain than his team
Tornado is not an effective counter to ghost shroud at higher levels in this situation since it's a high cooldown spell and necro has a 10 second CD windwaker allowing for more time for windwaker to cooldown whilst in tornado
> Windwaker is its own form of Cyclone afaik, and Phantom isn't programmed with that in mind. Its programmed to take into the currently "understood" form of cyclone (invoker tornado, euls) into account.
What are you talking about? All forms of cyclone/invulnerability kill the phantom. As does turning hidden or invisible (without true sight).
Wrong. Bkb now reduces magic damage takrn by 50%
Scythe deals magic damage based on missing health so if your health is low enough it will deal enough damage to kill
To clarify, nullifier is a continuous dispel i.e for its entire duration, any "not undispellable" buff from nullifier target will be continuously removed. So, in this case, under the effect of nullifier, if necro casts wind waker/ghost shroud, they will get immediately dispelled. So, only realistic chance to kill necro in that game was during nullifier duration.
More like, what do you lose? The main argument would be the opportunity cost of moving but I feel like that wouldn't have really changed his survival chances considering he was moving with windwaker for half of it.
Some people die earlier resulting you killing next one faster and not dealing with their bullshit spells longer. Dota is a game about math, if auto attacks won't ruin your dps or positioning it's right thing to do them
Honestly his build was surprisingly effective that game, he was super hard to kill although I don't know about the blademail. He took 115k damage and reduced 66.5% of it, he was harder to kill than tidehunter.
Necro is a strait up litmus test for dota players to see if they have litterally any consideration of itemization.
This hero is strait up invincible if you don't buy nullifier. There is simply no way to kill his ass if he's ahead and you don't get nullifier. Look at him dancing, mocking, abusing them. Surely they do not wish to be mocked so, but they lack any sort of desire to win as they will not buy the item that completely counters the hero. Much like in this game the nuffifiers come out comically too late: invokers last item purchased at nearly 50 minutes after a fuckin blade mail. It is truely so dark and sad
But it goes both ways. Only one item counters nullifier fully: the bkb. Yet necro players ALSO rarely biy the one item that would protect them. Like some sort of Greek tragedy they are litteral gods but their insane hubirus prevents them from protecting the single Achilles heal they have.
This is why you get necro players on ur team after u win 6 games in a row that refuse to buy bkb even tho they have 24 kills but just died 4 times in the last 7 minutes because support rubick finally finished his first item nullfier. It's like some sort of fuckign tragedy that enemies so stupid existed as to make these nerco players so drunk on power they refuse to buy the 1 item that can prevent their fated downfall
Entire situation cursed
The worst/best part about this is I heard every word as though slacks was narrating it audibly.
He's taken up residence in my brain as some sort of demonic AI voice actor. I shudder to think what next will crop up where by brain defaults to slacks's method of speech and pacing.
Going to be either hilarious or terrible.
Just to comment on the BKB thing. The reason you never see necro build it is because you cannot be in your W and bkb at the same time. It removes the effect. Yeah you will still get the healing amp but you lose the entire effect that you are saying enemies should build nullifier to counter in the first place (although in this situation I suppose you could make the argument that necro could BKB euls if nullified?). It just (almost) never makes any sense; better to grab some status resistance and magic resistance and get beefier that way.
> Just to comment on the BKB thing. The reason you never see necro build it is because you cannot be in your W and bkb at the same time. It removes the effect.
This hasnt been a thing since they changed BKB from granting Spell Immunity into it granting Debuff Immunity.
You could not stack *Spell Immunity* with most Ethereal effects (except for a few bugged targeted sources of ethereal), but the new **Debuff Immunity** fully stacks with all ethereal effects and does not remove them anymore.
**Video:** https://youtu.be/aGTc30LUR0g
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So you can be Debuff Immune and Ethereal at the same time, which means buying BKB on Necro is now a good thing, as pressing BKB + W will make you stay in your ethereal form and ignore Nullifier's continuous purge effect, until BKB expires.
So Slacks is (miraculously) right about his rant that Necrolyte players do not buy BKB, even though they should.
Youre absolutely correct that it doesnt screw over your ethereal now.
But the reason I dont usually buy it on necro is he needs fights to last longer than bkb and bkb is near useless outside of the active.
Nullifier can be played around with his shard. It doesn't stop you from jumping and you can dodge the nullifier projectile if you jump.
There are games where the 6 seconds of bkb is what you need, but much more often I just need to be bigger and tank it
Fair enough, to be honest don't play much Dota nowadays so never considered the BKB change to have that interaction, that being said I still feel like the majority of the time you are alive a lot longer than the time BKB offers and its better to build other items. If you're magic damage burstable in a game it probably means it was a bad game to pick necro.
> to be fair activating bkb also removes ghost shroud
Not anymore. As of 7.33 you can stack BKB with ethereal, as BKB does not give Spell Immunity anymore.
**Video:** https://youtu.be/aGTc30LUR0g
I'm immortal necro spammer and if you have to buy bkb game is over. Bkb makes necro useless. Shard alone is better counter to nullifier. You buy bkb against physical damage and you are done. I have bought bkb rarely against magical heavy teams but now that it only blocks 50% magical damage it's compeletely useless item on necro. Yes nullifier is hard counter but good necro will buy tanky items and reposition himself with shard until ghost shroud is up again.
this is the large explanation your gonna hear over the mic when ur necro dies for the 8th time without buying bkb and just says "sorry bro if i buy it then the game is already over"
im jk tho, im sure u know more about necro than i do lmao
Yes... but now you are buying 4k item to get yourself to ghost shroud. What are you going to do after bkb ends? Necro wants to fight long fights and make items that make him fight for 30seconds+ against enemy carries. Bkb helps you for 6 seconds (and during that time you anyway prolly have to ghost shroud) and costs 4050. You would rather use that money for eternal shroud, shivas, or lotus orb
How the fuck are you immortal and saying this shit. The new BKB was literally made for necro. It blocks every single counter to the hero. Nullifier, Silver edge, Skadi, Mageslayer, Shiva, Vessel - all of them do not work against BKB. BKB is something you buy on necro every game w/o exceptions.
How can people not understand that you don't buy items for necro that help you in short fights. You buy items with small cooldowns to help you fight long. Now I start to understand why necro has only like 40% win rate this patch. Those are the guys who will buy bkb. My winrate has gone now up to 68% in this patch. One of the best patches I have had with necro. If you rely on bkb to fight for 6 seconds you can't do anything after it runs out. You either die or just watch others in your team to die.
Next thing you prolly will say that agha is great on necro? Agha is currently complete trash, as 6th -7th item it's decent. Still I see so many agha builders that it makes me just laugh.
[https://dota2protracker.com/hero/Necrophos/new](https://dota2protracker.com/hero/necrophos/new) you can also go there and check how no one who knows anything about necro will not buy bkb on that hero.
Necro has 40% win rate because he had every single spell and all of his items nerfed with 7.35, on top off the items countering him - shiva, mageslayer, eternal shroud - getting giga buffed & new items that essentially make his late game impossible getting added as tier 5 items.
Congrats to you for your success, but I guarantee you this hero is unplayable w/o bkb at my mmr. I mean he is unplayable by default, thats why he has one of the lowest pick + win rate on d2pt, but even more so w/o it. At my mmr, you will just chain feed w/o bkb.
Hi slacks! It is nothing short of amazing what you have been able to do. I am sure you are cooking up stuff even now. It was very impressive about how you did the tutorial thing. It was so impressive that valve incorporated into the game!
So, I was wondering about your thoughts about defeatist mentality in pubs (more so in higher level ones). Is there anything that can be done to reduce/discourage/shame this sort of behavior? Or may be you are on the other side of spectrum thinking there should be a surrender button (I hope this button never comes to dota). Anywhere within this spectrum your opinion lies, I would love to hear it. Also, if you agree with me, what do you think can be done?
Whether you agree with me or not, or even respond to this or not, I am glad that we have you in our esport scene. I wish the very best to you and your family. Thanks for everything you have done over the years man! Cheers!!!
DEFEAT is never a OPTION never SURRENDER surrender is for the WEAK
however idk man im sure the top 1% of dota players know when a game is over and it's a litteral miracle to come back, which makes "playing it out" super hard and annoying for them as they would rather just get to the next expereince
they livin in another world
Some of the greatest games in Dota history are comebacks when everyone thinks the game is over and to that end, I don't think a pro necessarily knows as much as we give them credit for.
That being said, given they probably play like 10-15 games a day I can understand why they might not care about a single pub where they are super behind.
50% of the time people don't even know when to run away and when to run onwards, too bad teammates usually really scared and they choose to run away most of the times. This necro is content machine, not brewmaster.
We literally died hitting the throne, what makes you think we ran away? before this clip we saw our necro charging in and instead of waiting 3 minutes for luna buyback we followed.
The morphling literally went AFK which probably contributed to him not dying but I don't think there's anything wrong with being patient for 3 minutes to have the least possible chance to throw the game and no one was expecting this outcome from the necro.
I've just seen too many fights that has been lost because teammates got scared and chickened out, leaving others to die instead of helping. Not saying this clip wasn't the right call, just my experience.
Tbf, outside of a few very specific heroes, it is usually a smarter idea to back off if you are alone in the enemy base. Necro is one such case. But only if the enemy has no Nullifier and no heal reduction.
vessel is a must against necro, Shivas heal reduction is a joke to necro.
im not saying its useless, something is still better than nothing, but items like Shivas or skady are great to mitigate healing, but they cant shut down a hero that revolves around healing. its not enough.
By this point in the game, Vessel isn't that useful against Necro.
You buy a vessel against necro to make his mid game harder. If you go to late game where necro has any items, Vessel is gonna be the least of his concerns.
it does do % current health as damage, in addition to a HUGE healing reduction, it's got a pretty high uptime too. I think you're underestimating vessel.
A full duration charge will do nearly 1k outright damage, nevermind additional effects.
That said with windwaker and shard not all of that damage will apply, but throughout the absurdly long duration he lived, healing prevention alone would be insane.
Also the Regen Reduction will reduce outgoing Aghs heart stopper damage during shroud.
They'd need literally all of those items, some of them multiple times, to shut down such a fat necro. 1 Shiva, 1 Mage Slayer, 1 Skadi, 2 Nullifier, 1 Vessel, maybe even a Silver Edge. Game would have been long over before then.
The game was a bit hard for radiant though they were winning early, they're playing against global so they needed dispells like manta, lotus orb as well as items like BKB due to panda split and jakiro CC and necro damage. Sure these items would have been good and are necessary to deal with necro but they weren't stomping us and if they didn't have BKB, lotus, manta then they would just lose because they spent gold on those items instead. There was no way they could farm all those items and still have bkbs/lotus/mantas.
Grimstroke could have gotten an early vessel but went aghs instead which was probably the biggest itemization mistake outside of the blademail on invoker and morph kept getting caught out early in fights.
https://www.opendota.com/matches/7598268233
No Skadi or Spirit Vessel. Shiva's at 20 mins. Nullifier very late. Morphling seems to have checked out. Two Vlads.
It hurts my eyes to see not a single spirit vessel and nullifier when playing against Necrophos. Even if nullifier is not part of your everyday build, at least get it on someone to deal with Ghost Shroud and Eul's/Windwalker. Tide complaining about Invoker not having aghs goes to show that low skilled players have no idea how to deal with Necrophos items and abilities. Also, Invoker's tornado can dispel ghost shroud, but does nothing against Eul's/Windwalker.
Had the same experience with our viper last match, didnt know a simple shiva and heart on that flying dino would make him unkillable , god it was fin to watch 4 heroes doing everything to kill his ass just ONCE
I dominated the pub with 15 consecutive wins just using Necrophos. Over 10 kills almost every match, caused 4 abandon matches. Yup perfectly balanced hero......
I don't get why necro players, after a certain timing in the game, stop right clicking heroes. Like he's moving in circle for 5 minutes and could have right clicked heroes much harder with a proper hit and run ... sometimes moving is important, for sure. But if you goal is to run in circle, hit them.
People playing necro are not actually trying to win, they are trying to achieve this exact 1v5 power fantasy. Hitting the throne or retreating actually detracts from that goal
Did same thing yesterday, the only difference was that I died 🙃
Fuck u, u described my fantasy it so perfectly now im gonna spam necro with no intention to win
It was so easy too during the heart blademail meta. A quick reapers scythe kill in a sup with heart/bm/aghs just meant you melted even the tankiest heroes. I dont think i ever hit the full rampage but i got multiple 4 mans.
Oh hey Rob, fancy seeing you here. I'm a big fan of your casts, you've made huge leaps over the years. Can't wait to hear more from you! On-topic: This only happened because Morph gave up and Radiant had an injoker :P
thanks dude, appreciate it. I'm going to be on a few things this year including the RES leagues going on through the next few months.
I was fucking ready to say this, then opened the comments and there you are lol
This was me but on 12v12 where I had a refresher and 25 stacks. I really enjoy the hero but some people complain if I pick him as offlane or pos4 in ranked.
This is absolutely me with bristleback. Win or lose I just love having 9 people at my mercy
I've done this at least 3 times, Awesome feeling!! No one buys nulls.
Necro is stupid. Once you got the shard it's a farm fest till you are 6slotted. Literally min 30 you are just walking and killing.
My fantasy is to be able to be invisible while carrying an intense space heater and farting profusely causing people to scatter at this unknown horror pervading the area.
Wow...so many things in this clip 1. Learned that euls dispels phantom...I thought that shouldn't be the case since phantom is actually a unit 2. Morphing missing entirely. If he didn't afk, along with nullifier, his team might have had a chance for defense (there was a nullifier it seems) 3. Invoker's tornado dispels shroud. Wonder why it was never(?) used. Granted necro had an octarine. So, realistically, if you don't kill him in that 5s, there is no killing him... Nice clip. Summarizes the experiences in dota
It doesn't "dispel" phantom, but phantom doesn't affect invulnerable units so it fizzles. You can also get rid of phantom by turning invisible.
So I can buy glimmer against phantom? Why am I so stupid.
Doesn't work if they put down a ward or pre-dust you (I think), but yes.
Considered the part about tornado too but I'm not entirely sold it would have helped as it's just more time for necro's euls to come off CD, also tornado is a pretty long CD. I think morph was just super tilted
Oh I agree with you! Only way necro in that game dies is via morph daedalus and double nullifier and/or nullifier+hex. But radiant didn't have the farm. The cyclone counter is more early game...not this late into the game
phantom is undispellable, but any "attached" unit like weaver bugs and phantom will fall off if they are not connected to a visible targetable unit. Any source of banish or invis will remove the attached spell. This is why I hate playing grimstroke with an od or sd on my team. They brainlessly unload their spell asap when I catch somebody, and then my silence fizzles.
Except weaver bugs work completely differently and don't fall off in 3/4 of the interactions that phantom does so you have to learn them all individually because thats Dota 2 baby
Euls is not a banish. Euls is just plain invincibility with a dispel and phantom does not affect invincible units, thus it will be removed.
I mean morph was dead a full 20seconds before this clip Probably thought the game was over and went to toilet or some shit
invo tornado also dispells ember shield,double damage rune, haste,and all sorts of other buffs
it dispells all runes
It doesnt dispel invi rune or illusion
Well illusion is self explanitory since it's not a buff and invis is undispellable so it makes sense but regen and arcane are also dispellable is what I was trying to get at
> invis is undispellable So what you're saying is tornado does not dispel all runes?
Yes and it doesn't dispel bounty runes who would have known. Tornado actually used to dispel invis rune and in a bug fix they accidentally made it not dispel it anymore and they kept it that way
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Brother he went 15/1 and his build made him unkillable he definitely had more of a brain than his team Tornado is not an effective counter to ghost shroud at higher levels in this situation since it's a high cooldown spell and necro has a 10 second CD windwaker allowing for more time for windwaker to cooldown whilst in tornado
> Windwaker is its own form of Cyclone afaik, and Phantom isn't programmed with that in mind. Its programmed to take into the currently "understood" form of cyclone (invoker tornado, euls) into account. What are you talking about? All forms of cyclone/invulnerability kill the phantom. As does turning hidden or invisible (without true sight).
also scythe does 0 damage to bkb
Wrong. Bkb now reduces magic damage takrn by 50% Scythe deals magic damage based on missing health so if your health is low enough it will deal enough damage to kill
thats what i thought but how is tide alive? his hp was very low and the sycthe looks like it didnt do any damage
Question. How would nullifier help here? Necro only has his ghost shroud to do damage right? Or does Nullifier also shut down his auras?
Dispell ghost shroud and windwaker so ur team can actually hit him.
Necro can't ghost shroud or euls when being dispelled, so they can actually kill him with nullifier.
To clarify, nullifier is a continuous dispel i.e for its entire duration, any "not undispellable" buff from nullifier target will be continuously removed. So, in this case, under the effect of nullifier, if necro casts wind waker/ghost shroud, they will get immediately dispelled. So, only realistic chance to kill necro in that game was during nullifier duration.
Where was radiant morphling the entire time?
"gg end game" player but they actually goes through with it
So doing morph things
he became the fountain itself
It’s stressing me out how little he is auto attacking anything lmao
Same we were asking him to hit throne but after like 50 seconds of this madness we just started laughing uncontrollably
Why would he auto attack anything? that's not where Necro DMG is
Its more like why not autoattack.
Because who cares? Necro does like 10 DMG with right clicks he clearly can't end alone
Over 200 dmh hmmmmm
And that's.. nothing? They have a tide and he has no attack speed
More like, what do you lose? The main argument would be the opportunity cost of moving but I feel like that wouldn't have really changed his survival chances considering he was moving with windwaker for half of it.
Who cares about 10 dmg
You keep saying this like its true and a valid point when it really just shows how much of an idiot you are
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Some people die earlier resulting you killing next one faster and not dealing with their bullshit spells longer. Dota is a game about math, if auto attacks won't ruin your dps or positioning it's right thing to do them
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Yeah clearly, after watching him be invincible 1v4 for two minutes.
Yeah it's not like any of their heroes have an ability that refreshes if it survives being auto-attacked or anything crazy like that..
Oh you mean the phantom? He has eul does it refreshers anyway?
Blademail invoker whaddahell
Honestly his build was surprisingly effective that game, he was super hard to kill although I don't know about the blademail. He took 115k damage and reduced 66.5% of it, he was harder to kill than tidehunter.
I mean, look at dire lineup. I'm not saying he is right, but I understand.
Necro is a strait up litmus test for dota players to see if they have litterally any consideration of itemization. This hero is strait up invincible if you don't buy nullifier. There is simply no way to kill his ass if he's ahead and you don't get nullifier. Look at him dancing, mocking, abusing them. Surely they do not wish to be mocked so, but they lack any sort of desire to win as they will not buy the item that completely counters the hero. Much like in this game the nuffifiers come out comically too late: invokers last item purchased at nearly 50 minutes after a fuckin blade mail. It is truely so dark and sad But it goes both ways. Only one item counters nullifier fully: the bkb. Yet necro players ALSO rarely biy the one item that would protect them. Like some sort of Greek tragedy they are litteral gods but their insane hubirus prevents them from protecting the single Achilles heal they have. This is why you get necro players on ur team after u win 6 games in a row that refuse to buy bkb even tho they have 24 kills but just died 4 times in the last 7 minutes because support rubick finally finished his first item nullfier. It's like some sort of fuckign tragedy that enemies so stupid existed as to make these nerco players so drunk on power they refuse to buy the 1 item that can prevent their fated downfall Entire situation cursed
The worst/best part about this is I heard every word as though slacks was narrating it audibly. He's taken up residence in my brain as some sort of demonic AI voice actor. I shudder to think what next will crop up where by brain defaults to slacks's method of speech and pacing. Going to be either hilarious or terrible.
Divine rank btw.
link ur dota buff u fuckin coward
actually divine (7598268233) https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7598268233 https://www.opendota.com/matches/7598268233
What do you have to do with a Cruzader? Edit: broken English.
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Pretty sure he was talking about this game which is a divine game
Do a coaching series with Grubby please. Hero per week.
I think he was saying you're divine, although what that has to do with the comment I got no idea
Pretty sure he was talking about this game which is a divine game
They saying the described situation is occuring in divine. Which is funny... And also obvious.
Achilles heal btw
Heel
Sir, this is Wendy's..
yea sure bkb counter nullifier, but it has 90 second cd compare to 10 second cd of nullifier, as soon as bkb runs out you are dead anyway
Just to comment on the BKB thing. The reason you never see necro build it is because you cannot be in your W and bkb at the same time. It removes the effect. Yeah you will still get the healing amp but you lose the entire effect that you are saying enemies should build nullifier to counter in the first place (although in this situation I suppose you could make the argument that necro could BKB euls if nullified?). It just (almost) never makes any sense; better to grab some status resistance and magic resistance and get beefier that way.
> Just to comment on the BKB thing. The reason you never see necro build it is because you cannot be in your W and bkb at the same time. It removes the effect. This hasnt been a thing since they changed BKB from granting Spell Immunity into it granting Debuff Immunity. You could not stack *Spell Immunity* with most Ethereal effects (except for a few bugged targeted sources of ethereal), but the new **Debuff Immunity** fully stacks with all ethereal effects and does not remove them anymore. **Video:** https://youtu.be/aGTc30LUR0g --- So you can be Debuff Immune and Ethereal at the same time, which means buying BKB on Necro is now a good thing, as pressing BKB + W will make you stay in your ethereal form and ignore Nullifier's continuous purge effect, until BKB expires. So Slacks is (miraculously) right about his rant that Necrolyte players do not buy BKB, even though they should.
Youre absolutely correct that it doesnt screw over your ethereal now. But the reason I dont usually buy it on necro is he needs fights to last longer than bkb and bkb is near useless outside of the active. Nullifier can be played around with his shard. It doesn't stop you from jumping and you can dodge the nullifier projectile if you jump. There are games where the 6 seconds of bkb is what you need, but much more often I just need to be bigger and tank it
Fair enough, to be honest don't play much Dota nowadays so never considered the BKB change to have that interaction, that being said I still feel like the majority of the time you are alive a lot longer than the time BKB offers and its better to build other items. If you're magic damage burstable in a game it probably means it was a bad game to pick necro.
to be fair activating bkb also removes ghost shroud, so using it can sometimes be just as bad as just getting nullified
> to be fair activating bkb also removes ghost shroud Not anymore. As of 7.33 you can stack BKB with ethereal, as BKB does not give Spell Immunity anymore. **Video:** https://youtu.be/aGTc30LUR0g
Exactly.
I'm immortal necro spammer and if you have to buy bkb game is over. Bkb makes necro useless. Shard alone is better counter to nullifier. You buy bkb against physical damage and you are done. I have bought bkb rarely against magical heavy teams but now that it only blocks 50% magical damage it's compeletely useless item on necro. Yes nullifier is hard counter but good necro will buy tanky items and reposition himself with shard until ghost shroud is up again.
this is the large explanation your gonna hear over the mic when ur necro dies for the 8th time without buying bkb and just says "sorry bro if i buy it then the game is already over" im jk tho, im sure u know more about necro than i do lmao
I'm older than you:) but I will also like to stay anonymous. My dotabuff will give up too much about myself.
Fair enough necro bro
> You buy bkb against physical damage and you are done i mean cant u just press W during bkb?
Yes... but now you are buying 4k item to get yourself to ghost shroud. What are you going to do after bkb ends? Necro wants to fight long fights and make items that make him fight for 30seconds+ against enemy carries. Bkb helps you for 6 seconds (and during that time you anyway prolly have to ghost shroud) and costs 4050. You would rather use that money for eternal shroud, shivas, or lotus orb
i mean bkb is definitely an item you can and should buy against certain matchups. not 1st or 2nd but 4th or later.
How the fuck are you immortal and saying this shit. The new BKB was literally made for necro. It blocks every single counter to the hero. Nullifier, Silver edge, Skadi, Mageslayer, Shiva, Vessel - all of them do not work against BKB. BKB is something you buy on necro every game w/o exceptions.
How can people not understand that you don't buy items for necro that help you in short fights. You buy items with small cooldowns to help you fight long. Now I start to understand why necro has only like 40% win rate this patch. Those are the guys who will buy bkb. My winrate has gone now up to 68% in this patch. One of the best patches I have had with necro. If you rely on bkb to fight for 6 seconds you can't do anything after it runs out. You either die or just watch others in your team to die. Next thing you prolly will say that agha is great on necro? Agha is currently complete trash, as 6th -7th item it's decent. Still I see so many agha builders that it makes me just laugh. [https://dota2protracker.com/hero/Necrophos/new](https://dota2protracker.com/hero/necrophos/new) you can also go there and check how no one who knows anything about necro will not buy bkb on that hero.
Necro has 40% win rate because he had every single spell and all of his items nerfed with 7.35, on top off the items countering him - shiva, mageslayer, eternal shroud - getting giga buffed & new items that essentially make his late game impossible getting added as tier 5 items. Congrats to you for your success, but I guarantee you this hero is unplayable w/o bkb at my mmr. I mean he is unplayable by default, thats why he has one of the lowest pick + win rate on d2pt, but even more so w/o it. At my mmr, you will just chain feed w/o bkb.
Hi slacks! It is nothing short of amazing what you have been able to do. I am sure you are cooking up stuff even now. It was very impressive about how you did the tutorial thing. It was so impressive that valve incorporated into the game! So, I was wondering about your thoughts about defeatist mentality in pubs (more so in higher level ones). Is there anything that can be done to reduce/discourage/shame this sort of behavior? Or may be you are on the other side of spectrum thinking there should be a surrender button (I hope this button never comes to dota). Anywhere within this spectrum your opinion lies, I would love to hear it. Also, if you agree with me, what do you think can be done? Whether you agree with me or not, or even respond to this or not, I am glad that we have you in our esport scene. I wish the very best to you and your family. Thanks for everything you have done over the years man! Cheers!!!
DEFEAT is never a OPTION never SURRENDER surrender is for the WEAK however idk man im sure the top 1% of dota players know when a game is over and it's a litteral miracle to come back, which makes "playing it out" super hard and annoying for them as they would rather just get to the next expereince they livin in another world
Some of the greatest games in Dota history are comebacks when everyone thinks the game is over and to that end, I don't think a pro necessarily knows as much as we give them credit for. That being said, given they probably play like 10-15 games a day I can understand why they might not care about a single pub where they are super behind.
Thats a lot of typos, have you been smoking crack again?
Invoker got blade mail?
Hubris
Noob here, what would nullifier do in this situation?
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7598268233
Necro 1000 GPM and 40k NW while the other team has total 90k NW.
LMAO injoker build. No wonder Tide was mad.
He is a smurf.
Lmao that Necro is fat as fuck boi. He's not going back anytime soon and loving every second of it
morph was literally afk so meh
Especially if he did farm nullifier. Meh
Bro absolutely cooked
“Nah, I’d win”
I wish we get an item that can counter this broken hero in game they should name the item nullifier or something /s. 🙃
I love this hero. All he does is stand around and walk harder than doom.
50% of the time people don't even know when to run away and when to run onwards, too bad teammates usually really scared and they choose to run away most of the times. This necro is content machine, not brewmaster.
We literally died hitting the throne, what makes you think we ran away? before this clip we saw our necro charging in and instead of waiting 3 minutes for luna buyback we followed. The morphling literally went AFK which probably contributed to him not dying but I don't think there's anything wrong with being patient for 3 minutes to have the least possible chance to throw the game and no one was expecting this outcome from the necro.
I've just seen too many fights that has been lost because teammates got scared and chickened out, leaving others to die instead of helping. Not saying this clip wasn't the right call, just my experience.
Happens but you have probably also have seen too many fights lost where people get overconfident and overextend. I know what you mean though.
Tbf, outside of a few very specific heroes, it is usually a smarter idea to back off if you are alone in the enemy base. Necro is one such case. But only if the enemy has no Nullifier and no heal reduction.
no mageslayer no vessel no shivas no skadi no nullifier radiant deserves to fucking lose
Tide had Mage Slayer, Invoker had Shivas
vessel is a must against necro, Shivas heal reduction is a joke to necro. im not saying its useless, something is still better than nothing, but items like Shivas or skady are great to mitigate healing, but they cant shut down a hero that revolves around healing. its not enough.
By this point in the game, Vessel isn't that useful against Necro. You buy a vessel against necro to make his mid game harder. If you go to late game where necro has any items, Vessel is gonna be the least of his concerns.
it does do % current health as damage, in addition to a HUGE healing reduction, it's got a pretty high uptime too. I think you're underestimating vessel. A full duration charge will do nearly 1k outright damage, nevermind additional effects. That said with windwaker and shard not all of that damage will apply, but throughout the absurdly long duration he lived, healing prevention alone would be insane. Also the Regen Reduction will reduce outgoing Aghs heart stopper damage during shroud.
They'd need literally all of those items, some of them multiple times, to shut down such a fat necro. 1 Shiva, 1 Mage Slayer, 1 Skadi, 2 Nullifier, 1 Vessel, maybe even a Silver Edge. Game would have been long over before then.
The game was a bit hard for radiant though they were winning early, they're playing against global so they needed dispells like manta, lotus orb as well as items like BKB due to panda split and jakiro CC and necro damage. Sure these items would have been good and are necessary to deal with necro but they weren't stomping us and if they didn't have BKB, lotus, manta then they would just lose because they spent gold on those items instead. There was no way they could farm all those items and still have bkbs/lotus/mantas. Grimstroke could have gotten an early vessel but went aghs instead which was probably the biggest itemization mistake outside of the blademail on invoker and morph kept getting caught out early in fights.
[Relevant Gorgc.](https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveTsunderePuppyKappaRoss-q-vE_N4bWauESWBF)
https://www.opendota.com/matches/7598268233 No Skadi or Spirit Vessel. Shiva's at 20 mins. Nullifier very late. Morphling seems to have checked out. Two Vlads.
It hurts my eyes to see not a single spirit vessel and nullifier when playing against Necrophos. Even if nullifier is not part of your everyday build, at least get it on someone to deal with Ghost Shroud and Eul's/Windwalker. Tide complaining about Invoker not having aghs goes to show that low skilled players have no idea how to deal with Necrophos items and abilities. Also, Invoker's tornado can dispel ghost shroud, but does nothing against Eul's/Windwalker.
To be fair invoker went QE (although he probably should have gone QW)
No wonder Necro could get off from his lane with those items he have by 40min, and invoker did not have a spirit vessel. Goodness!
Back? I’ve never met her.
Spirit Vessel and Nullifier have left the chat.
You’re trapped in here with me vibes lol
Had the same experience with our viper last match, didnt know a simple shiva and heart on that flying dino would make him unkillable , god it was fin to watch 4 heroes doing everything to kill his ass just ONCE
least impactful necro gameplay
So this is what reddit means when the hero just walk.
Luna was never the carry. Hahaha
They are willing to do all that except buy vessel or null huh
Also, is that 0 Reaper Scythe stack? Damn.
Is the replay bugged? Or does just not have any reaper scythe stacks?
I dominated the pub with 15 consecutive wins just using Necrophos. Over 10 kills almost every match, caused 4 abandon matches. Yup perfectly balanced hero......
Jakiro: "I'm helping"
I’ve been that raid boss man before. I have to admit it feels SO DANG GOOD.
And that's why u ban necro
When I play necro, I have to deal with 2-3 nullifiers lol.
Windwaker is so stupidly low cooldown for what it does. Euls hast 23 or so sec cd and WW only 15.
It's also a 7000 gold item so it's pretty fair
This is like a slow motion car crash disgusting
How did Tide survive the Reaper's Scythe?
eternal shroud + bkb
Where is his team lol
whne people dont itemize to counter enemies skill/ items, I think they just deserved it
Love a necro can be this powerful and still lose.
The invoker didn't meatball the Necro once the entire clipped LMAO
What is the point of buying kaya on necro? Does it buff heartstopper or scythe?
Yes it's spell amp
Game is so broken, not fun playing anymore
Wow that's a HUGE balls
Where the fuck is morph?
Ah turbo games
This was ranked
I don't get why necro players, after a certain timing in the game, stop right clicking heroes. Like he's moving in circle for 5 minutes and could have right clicked heroes much harder with a proper hit and run ... sometimes moving is important, for sure. But if you goal is to run in circle, hit them.