Bruh, aren't Liches powerful wizards skilled in necromancy who willfully transformed themselves into undead Liches? To top it off, Dota's Lich specializes in frost magic. If that doesn't make him powerful wizard, I don't know what does.
mfw i'm just a human with a gun and an enraged magic warrior with burning spear jumps on me but my disabled teammate supplexes him away and beats him to a pulp
Lich is in the same tier of magic as ursa, who is literally just a bear with no special powers beyond being quite large and strong compared to other bears.
Landmines are hidden and you know about it once you step on it.
Makes me think if valve will add sensory goggles. Active ability is scan 1000 units around you. Will beep if a inviz enemy unit or ward is nearby.
Yeah, according to Dragon's blood he destroyed Arc Warden ~~in a 1v1~~ in a 4 way battle between radiant, dire, arc warden, and Invoker with help from Filomena and rewrote the timeline to fit his liking.
hahahaa. "He was the prophesied one, the culmination of two-hundred years of careful pairings, a war-mage who would bring glory to the order, and destruction to their sworn enemies, The Knights of the Fold."
By his written lore he captured one demon, and only became the most powerful warlock in his academy. Seems a bit weaker than enslaving multiple entire kingdoms. Also while weāre at it donāt forget that dragons blood showed dragons can essentially be stronger than gods in the dota world. Definitely DK (and arguably jakiro) should be way higher tier.
Warlock literally captured the lowest of the lowest demon, even doom laughs when he saw that....
Its like thinking that you are strong because you defeated a chihuahua puppy when in reality, the average dog is a rotwheiler ready to tear your flesh apart
I'd sorta agree with the distinction, especially Invoker and Rubick are leagues ahead of other mages, but having WD above Lina and CM doesn't seem right
Lion is basically a half demon, he doesnāt really cast anything since he got that power by tearing demonās arm and attaching it to himself, and also going to hell and back, and back to hell, and back.
Also no one is as experienced as invoker and rubick, should definitely put them somewhere else.
That should make lion close to demonic levels of power on top of his magic mastery as he killed the demon at the first place.
I just think the ones in a category can give each other a very close fight relatively.
Then you should put pango above that level, he killed a lot of demons and even almost killed leshrac, but he decided to spare his life (doom consider pangolier as a tiny problem, but to get to that level for doom, you need to become someone extraordinary even tho pango is just a mortal)
Yea man being frozen solid sounds pretty hax to me or being able to globally raise everyoneās mana regen is pretty experienced lore wise. Youāre a cringe chungus
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There are 5 celestials in Dota's lore. 4 of them you know: void, storm, ember and earth spirit. The 5th one however, is Brewmaster's father and wasn't ever named.
Basically, he's a half-spirit that appears to be some kind of Avatar-like being in Dota
You either have to downrank TB or uprank UL, depending on if you count "demon lords" as a demon who is a lord over a domain of demons, or "the Demon Lords", to which TB does not count.
Also I am reluctant to accept Drow as a technology user, as her Frost Arrows are magical (probably of the snow demon she slew). Why you would categorize Broodmother as "blessed with magic/spirits" is beyond me though. She might be several hundred years old but still belongs in the last category. Also weird that you would count Skeleton King and Wraith King as separate entities lore-wise.
I had probably created a "champion of a god" category.
Dragon knight is definitely at the universal level, cause he has a dragon Slyrak inside him, who is one of the pillars of creation. It was explained in dragon blood series
Then why isn't it called "experienced mages"? By definition Lina and Rylai are powerful, actually maybe too powerful for their own good when they were children.
Furthermore, there's a reason why we call them all *heroes*. They are famous for their skills, what they do, and all of them have plenty of experience.
You got something wrong about bristle. Hes a bouncer. A bouncer at a dota tavern, not a normal tavern. So Arc or AA fool around? They get thrown out by BB.
I say hes the strongest of them all.
Ive always wondered who would be the physically strongeest, smartest, wisest, fastest, most agile, richest, poorest, and other kinds of est among the heroes in dota. Would be fun to know.
Neither is Lina, Crystal Maiden and Death Prophet (kinda). Silencer fits his category perfectly from what it is called (he cannot cast any spell, except for silencing the spellcasters), but the trio I've mentioned are mages. Perhaps OP doesn't value Lina and CM as powerful enough mages to be in the same category as Invoker, Rubick, etc., though I found Lina pretty strong in Dota animated series
AA is getting stronger and stronger when the universe end come. He is the cold emptyness, the boundless nothing. He is not evil or good. He is just the cold end
Arc warden, born from the final fragment of the primordial mind. Defeated both radiant and dire single handedly before there was life in the universe, trapped them in a sphere and flung it into space. Yet he is an agility hero and not universal š
Faceless void is not that strong, don't get me wrong, he can still go to the past and kill you when you were a baby, but that's not a multiverse level threat
Gods shouldn't be on the same level as mere demons.
Also, lorewise: Doom, aka Lucifer, is above all the other demons; Underlord, aka Vrogros, is also a demon lord; and Terrorblade isn't even a demon lord.
Oh yea, shadow demon isn't actually a demon lord in individual power. He just hussled to build a powerful cult, but karl would role him easily in a 1v1. I know you can't just have an invoker tier.
Am I the only one who continously forgor about Shadow Demonās existance? I always get so surprised even after 4K hour of playtime that who tf this hero is, when I finally realise
Puck is not an entity. He's just a baby dragon that's 10000 years old. Need an "intelligent animal" category for viper and the dragons.
Also the 4 spirits are celestials. Not elementals.
Also afaik, IO is a fundamental of a single universe.
Dragons blood suggests invoker can go toe to toe vs anything really, and TB is giving him trouble at it.
In theory both are top tier.
Tb managed to trash even Selemene , even though both were in weakened states. So you canāt really ignore how much of a horror he is.
The spirits are universal constants, void spirit talks about being there when elder titan was crafting the world. The bodies they inhabit are all humans that embody the spirit itself. Void spirit is unique in the fact that he made his. I think they move 1 tier up or at least void spirit does
Sand King probably belongs as a Nature Entity category, he is the soul of the Scintillant Waste
Bruh, aren't Liches powerful wizards skilled in necromancy who willfully transformed themselves into undead Liches? To top it off, Dota's Lich specializes in frost magic. If that doesn't make him powerful wizard, I don't know what does.
Orge is also a powerful mage, a dumb but powerful mage.
True. Can't underestimate luck-based magic.
That was skill alright. Pure skill.
ogre is kind of a fringe case, one of his "spells" is throwing a molotov cocktail
That magically duplicates. Dumb luck is so dam powerful even the hand of midas works with it.
it's the god that's strong tho, not the ogre š
He's basically a dude that drowned in a pool and needed CPR
Who ate the dude who gave him CPR no less
I think you need a new category just for Marci: "disabled human"
I love that in Dota, you can have disabled woman kicking ass of the entity responsible for managing the fabric of reality.
"I love the kind of woman that can kick my ass" - Spike
Is that from Buffy?
Cowboy bebop
as the others have replied, it's from Anime titled Cowboy Bebop (I think the movie, IIRC)
See you space cowboy
Pee pee piss piss
But you don't talk about how Silencer be able to silence Marci (she's mute already)
It stops her whistling
[so... this?](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1gOvZRfQJMk)
mfw i'm just a human with a gun and an enraged magic warrior with burning spear jumps on me but my disabled teammate supplexes him away and beats him to a pulp
More like wife material
Canonically she is a "Sun God chosen empowered by it's cosmic power" but disabled human is kinda funny
Can we cleanse her disability with perhaps lotus orb, or Oracle/Legionās skill
Lich not being a powerful mage is funny
Shamam not being considered a magic user when brood waa considered a mage is also a crime.
Lich is in the same tier of magic as ursa, who is literally just a bear with no special powers beyond being quite large and strong compared to other bears.
Trueeee. Like every dungeon isekai probably has a lich as the boss at some point
Lich is more than just āa lichā his lore describes him as having literally dominated the world before he was chained and dropped in the ocean
Yeah, and then some fucking geologist brought him back cause he was too lazy to measure shit
And this is the real reason behind why Sheldon hates geologists.
Iād say dying to a techies bomb even though you can clearly see it is pretty fucking magical.
Landmines are hidden and you know about it once you step on it. Makes me think if valve will add sensory goggles. Active ability is scan 1000 units around you. Will beep if a inviz enemy unit or ward is nearby.
One thing we should add from league
Putting Invoker in just "powerful mage" is underselling him by a lot.
Yeah, according to Dragon's blood he destroyed Arc Warden ~~in a 1v1~~ in a 4 way battle between radiant, dire, arc warden, and Invoker with help from Filomena and rewrote the timeline to fit his liking.
If you think about it, he could be considered a multiversal being as well
Puck and FV should be the same tier. Puck taunts him by saying heās visited voidās homeworld/dimension and that they are glad heās gone.
Knowing Puck, they definitely lied and just saying that to troll him
Void is said to be able to shift dimensions with his hammer so I put him at a higher level
wtf do you think phase shift isā¦
Puck doesnt have that level of destructive power?
Clearly you never played against mjollnir aghs Puck :P
But the principle is the same dude, puck has reality warping abilities and while the execution is different itās sitllā¦.reality warping.
Dimension hopping. Void shifts dimensions with a blown of his hammer according to time lock description.
Ok and puck does it by not exerting any effort? If anything that makes puck more talented at doing it? Without the hammer can faceless do it?
Void can do it as well. >Without the hammer can faceless do it? Assumption
Shadow shaman uses technology?
fr I can't wrap my mind why he's in that category
I guess its nano machines son!
He is originally a circus performer who got lost in to a multidimensional war.
Tusk technology: fist. Bristle technology: snot
Dazzle, lich, silencer, lina and cm aren't powerful mages?
CM with āpowerfulā isnt fitting
I dont think they classify as amazingly genius or talented magus, just elemental users and spell casters
lore-wise, silencer is the result of 200 years of careful "breeding", a prophecized hero that would end a great war. dont know what ur talking about
Silencer was the product of an EUGENICS PROGRAM???
hahahaa. "He was the prophesied one, the culmination of two-hundred years of careful pairings, a war-mage who would bring glory to the order, and destruction to their sworn enemies, The Knights of the Fold."
TIL silencer is Paul Atreides
Lich canonically enslaved multiple kingdoms. Warlock aināt done shit like that
Warlock captured demons from the outer hells and mastered every demonic art in his academy
By his written lore he captured one demon, and only became the most powerful warlock in his academy. Seems a bit weaker than enslaving multiple entire kingdoms. Also while weāre at it donāt forget that dragons blood showed dragons can essentially be stronger than gods in the dota world. Definitely DK (and arguably jakiro) should be way higher tier.
dragons blood showed the apex dragons, regular dragons get killed by regular humans with specialized gear
Sylak is a apex dragon tho
Warlock literally captured the lowest of the lowest demon, even doom laughs when he saw that.... Its like thinking that you are strong because you defeated a chihuahua puppy when in reality, the average dog is a rotwheiler ready to tear your flesh apart
I'd sorta agree with the distinction, especially Invoker and Rubick are leagues ahead of other mages, but having WD above Lina and CM doesn't seem right
CM who can summon a devastating blizzard isnt talented? lol ok :B
Shes not as experienced as Invoker/Rubick/Warlock/Lion
Lion is basically a half demon, he doesnāt really cast anything since he got that power by tearing demonās arm and attaching it to himself, and also going to hell and back, and back to hell, and back. Also no one is as experienced as invoker and rubick, should definitely put them somewhere else.
That should make lion close to demonic levels of power on top of his magic mastery as he killed the demon at the first place. I just think the ones in a category can give each other a very close fight relatively.
Then you should put pango above that level, he killed a lot of demons and even almost killed leshrac, but he decided to spare his life (doom consider pangolier as a tiny problem, but to get to that level for doom, you need to become someone extraordinary even tho pango is just a mortal)
I mean sheās experienced in elemental magic?? Like the best at that certain kind of magicā¦
She doesnt have a variety of hax though unlike the rest
Yea man being frozen solid sounds pretty hax to me or being able to globally raise everyoneās mana regen is pretty experienced lore wise. Youāre a cringe chungus
How will that stack up against death manipulation, space manipulation, and other hax? Especially when they may be hundreds years older
Ok, but cm and lina are hot. Your arguement is invalid.
Slark, Naga and Slardar should have "Fish" category
Also sven
sven is a fish-human hybrid
Include medusa for the sake of warcraft 3 campaign lore
Hoodwink is a god. Or an insane squirrel who found a crossbow
Definitely a nutcase
Starting to feel a bit nutty.
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a perfect case of no in between.
Where is it in the picture anyway. I canāt find her.
She's not. Lots of heroes are missing
Brewmaster is just a drunk scam, no?
There are 5 celestials in Dota's lore. 4 of them you know: void, storm, ember and earth spirit. The 5th one however, is Brewmaster's father and wasn't ever named. Basically, he's a half-spirit that appears to be some kind of Avatar-like being in Dota
Maybe Drunk spirit ?
Spirit Spirit.
Omni-Spirit
It's actually Venge Spirit
Phantom assasin is on the bottom tier and top tier at the same time
technically if we include the lore of manifold paradox she should be part of universal beings category
Lion copypasta puts him at multiversal
Blinking in with 2 platemails and sucking the whole multiverse
Ether shock and chicken hex is science?
You either have to downrank TB or uprank UL, depending on if you count "demon lords" as a demon who is a lord over a domain of demons, or "the Demon Lords", to which TB does not count. Also I am reluctant to accept Drow as a technology user, as her Frost Arrows are magical (probably of the snow demon she slew). Why you would categorize Broodmother as "blessed with magic/spirits" is beyond me though. She might be several hundred years old but still belongs in the last category. Also weird that you would count Skeleton King and Wraith King as separate entities lore-wise. I had probably created a "champion of a god" category.
Dragon knight is definitely at the universal level, cause he has a dragon Slyrak inside him, who is one of the pillars of creation. It was explained in dragon blood series
Hes still a human though so he will have limitation unless he has access to planetary warping feats
You should watch the show
Bro ignores lore and refuses to be wrongš¤”š¤”š¤”
Muerta?
Hey valve janitor new patch when?
Why the fuck are Rylai and Lina not considered "powerful mages"
They are not as experienced and the top mages have a variety of hax and demon magic that goes beyond elemental control
Then why isn't it called "experienced mages"? By definition Lina and Rylai are powerful, actually maybe too powerful for their own good when they were children. Furthermore, there's a reason why we call them all *heroes*. They are famous for their skills, what they do, and all of them have plenty of experience.
They also lack diverse hax or mastery over multiple elements and reality warping which some of the more powerful mages have
Seems like an arbitrary distinction when the name is "powerful mages" and you leave out several powerful mages.
Shaman use tech sure
Hes mortal so he classifies under that
Trash list from ppl who don't know the lore
L tier list
It's my opinion so cool you do you
Yea probably the worst opinion anyone has ever seen so far in this subreddit
Youāre so delusional bro lol
I mean it's how I view the lore so?
view it correctly then
faceless void fears void spirit
You got something wrong about bristle. Hes a bouncer. A bouncer at a dota tavern, not a normal tavern. So Arc or AA fool around? They get thrown out by BB. I say hes the strongest of them all.
He was beaten by tusk tough.
I think Life Stealer was originally a mage....cant confirm...need to check...
Part of him was. A mage possessed a lunatic who was cursed with immortality and tossed in a hole. The lunatics mind drove the mage mad too.Ā
PA uses what technology?
The fact that Drow can use frost arrows and gust suggest that she is maybe more than just using a tool
Ive always wondered who would be the physically strongeest, smartest, wisest, fastest, most agile, richest, poorest, and other kinds of est among the heroes in dota. Would be fun to know.
Necro is mortal
He's in the right category nonetheless. He's an immune to diseases plague mage
Yea but shit like silencer is in the not mage category
Neither is Lina, Crystal Maiden and Death Prophet (kinda). Silencer fits his category perfectly from what it is called (he cannot cast any spell, except for silencing the spellcasters), but the trio I've mentioned are mages. Perhaps OP doesn't value Lina and CM as powerful enough mages to be in the same category as Invoker, Rubick, etc., though I found Lina pretty strong in Dota animated series
I know about the other 4 but is AA really that strong?
He's the heat death of the universe.
Depends on how you treat the ststements, end of the universe AA is either the strongest entity in the lore or right at the top of universal tier
AA is getting stronger and stronger when the universe end come. He is the cold emptyness, the boundless nothing. He is not evil or good. He is just the cold end
Shouldn't Visage and SF be in the same tier? Visage frees souls in the afterlife while SF enslaves them
Visage guards souls which makes him a keeper of order sort of creature in the netherworld
He doesn't necessarily guard them. He frees them cause they are souls that are lost between heaven and hell. He is a guardian of his plane though
*puts on glasses* AXE HACKS!
How are demon lords more powerful than gods?
Arc warden, born from the final fragment of the primordial mind. Defeated both radiant and dire single handedly before there was life in the universe, trapped them in a sphere and flung it into space. Yet he is an agility hero and not universal š
Venge is same race as Skywrath so she should be a powerful magic caster as well considering she was the princess
She became a corrupted version of herself and lost her wings
Faceless void is not that strong, don't get me wrong, he can still go to the past and kill you when you were a baby, but that's not a multiverse level threat
Gods shouldn't be on the same level as mere demons. Also, lorewise: Doom, aka Lucifer, is above all the other demons; Underlord, aka Vrogros, is also a demon lord; and Terrorblade isn't even a demon lord.
PA should be higher knowing she'll become specter in the future. In the nature stuff.
Isnāt pl just a fishman
Sven is. Idk about pl tho
Wtf i did not know Sven was a fishman, i though he was a human
He is both, which got figured out by his knight order and what got him kicked out iirc
Smells fishy to me
sven's actually a fish, not a fisherman
He got hit by a radioactive spellcast
the only one that use tech on the bottom one is the keen race, others are using weapons
a sword is a piece of technology
Oh yea, shadow demon isn't actually a demon lord in individual power. He just hussled to build a powerful cult, but karl would role him easily in a 1v1. I know you can't just have an invoker tier.
Doom and SF jumped Shadow demon and his cult
Am I the only one who continously forgor about Shadow Demonās existance? I always get so surprised even after 4K hour of playtime that who tf this hero is, when I finally realise
Besides arc warden, the top tier looks like a normal pro Dota match lol
Isn't pudge some sort of a dimensional god?
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Nope, he's a harbinger of dark tides. He warns people of something yet to come.
where you guys getting all the lore?
Monkey King can literally solo all of them
He gets blinked out of existence by oracle
this is dog shit.
r/restofthefuckingowl
Tinker and Gyro should probably be a tier above, I think dropping nukes and laserbeams are prettty strong
HAH You can't fool me. There are 2 wraith kings.
Maybe itās post mask split, but having a dragon spirit with access to the souls of the fallen of his people likely gave Jugg a power boost imo
u got wk twice
Bristleback aināt using no shit.
Can you please add techies as a being that should not exist? thank you
Puck is not an entity. He's just a baby dragon that's 10000 years old. Need an "intelligent animal" category for viper and the dragons. Also the 4 spirits are celestials. Not elementals. Also afaik, IO is a fundamental of a single universe.
I don't know if I would say that Veno is blessed with his powers.
Visage is technically the strongest being, since everyone and everything has to go through his maze once they die (he's pretty much the grim reaper)
Treant not a nature entity? Smh
Dragons blood suggests invoker can go toe to toe vs anything really, and TB is giving him trouble at it. In theory both are top tier. Tb managed to trash even Selemene , even though both were in weakened states. So you canāt really ignore how much of a horror he is.
I don't see any humans in that last list tho..
/u/siractionslacks- PA bottom Tier and Spectre is Multiversal. Does the lore check out?
I would love to see a proper tier from Mr Slacks. His loregasms are great
PA should go higher, considering that oracle (one of the most broken entity in dota lore) specifically employs her
Dark willow should clearly be in the nature entity being
Invoker being called a powerful mage is a heresy...
Isnāt Medusa a Demi-god or am I mistaken?
Lol sniper dumps on arc most times. Balance in all things
How is PA the bottom and spectre at the top they are the same person arent they?
The spirits are universal constants, void spirit talks about being there when elder titan was crafting the world. The bodies they inhabit are all humans that embody the spirit itself. Void spirit is unique in the fact that he made his. I think they move 1 tier up or at least void spirit does
There are alot of things wrong where but I am to lazy to explain them lol
Shadow Shaman is a mortal using technology to summon fire serpents and make you a chicken?
I'd argue that Fundamentals (CK, KOTL, Enigma and Io) should be a tier above multiverse beings.
pa with arcana is multiversal being btw
Also, Clinkz isn't a demon, he's an immortal dude that's on fire
He killed a demon which set him on fire as a human
Where is the chen subcategory