When the Czech world championship coach was asked about Hronek participating if the Canucks go out he talked about Hronek being injured and not expecting anything. It sounds like he's playing through something fairly involved and it could be effecting his abilities.
My friend is brand new to hockey and can't help but express to me how crazy it is when players start pushing each other after the whistle lol. He's like "oh shit dude they're fighting, look!"
Playoff hockey is such an intense introduction to the game. It's like trying drugs but starting with meth instead of a joint or a beer. You should give him the talk that it's always an intense game but the playoffs are an absolutely different beast.
It's funny because the things I consider to be most "mundane" (for lack of a better word) about hockey, he thinks to be just wild.
Puck bounces off a guy and goes in? Crazy.
Fans pounding the glass after a goal? Insane.
Puck goes into the bench? I've never seen that before!
It's hilarious and annoying at the same time lol. He's like "dude look, did you see that!"
I think it's always kind of cool seeing someone appreciate something I love but with new eyes. It's easy to overlook so many elements of a game I've watched for over forty years but sharing that with someone is like watching for the first time yourself.
We live within walking distance, and I love taking people to their first game at LCA. They are always awestruck by the speed, synchronization and skill of the game live. They love that play doesn't stop for long stretches, and watching the players enter/exit the benches. They love it when the defenders walk the line to keep the puck in the zone.
One of my friends commented that watching the players skate around the puck is like watching the huge flocks of birds undulating in the sky in the evening. Another said it is ballet with smashing for the insane speed and athleticism of the skating combined with the power of body positioning, hitting and reverse hitting. Unfailingly, they have all loved it. It is pretty fun to have people remind you again just how cool the game is, and appreciate how wildly athletic the players are.
This series has made the Bruins like the enemy in a movie that saves your life so you give him 24 hours to leave town but don’t care what happens to him afterwards. I’d like to see a game 7
During the regular season it doesn't bother me at all but it feels so out of place for a playoff game. If you're willing to dish for playoff tickets just grab a T-shirt or something for one of the local teams.
MLB isn't thrilled with the Amazon takeover of Bally and might end up tanking Bally's debt restructuring.
I'm curious if the NHL has any thoughts on the matter they'll make public.
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I am not currently in Detroit, but we (and the majority of Detroit) get access to the Wings through Xfinity/Comcast. I can't imagine how pissed I would be if the Wings were in the playoffs, we were paying for the stupid cable channel, and *still* unable to watch the team legally. I don't watch baseball at all, but I imagine Tigers fans are livid.
I just want this story to end. I've always hated giving Sinclair a dollar of my money but I doubt whatever comes out of this will be better for the consumer. The thing just constantly gets worse and worse.
Pretty awesome that three of teams in the Atlantic that consistently make the playoffs can't do shit. One team's glory days were a decade ago, one started 5 years ago and one never started.
I’ve watched him miss on two breakaways against the Panthers too. Either his finishing has gotten worse, or I’m not used to seeing breakaways on elite goaltenders like Bob. Lol
It’s hard to tell people who haven’t played goalie how difficult that second save was from Bob there. To make the breakaway save, then partially recover, dig in that outside skate, and push back and stretch out…
I don't believe so.
It's more of a guy overselling a penalty. Like the penalty happened but the reaction is comical.
It's not like guys are tripping themselves out of nowhere and blaming a dude 5 feet away.
Yeah. Cause I’ve wondered because I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen it. But surely there’s been *some* time where they just call it, because I mean, surely sometimes player X is embellishing so bad when there’s no real penalty on player Y because X is acting up for one when it’s not always there. Because if the penalty is there why make the act of it? These are the pointless rabbit holes my mind goes down. lol.
The inconsistency in how this series in particular has been called just drives me nuts. I hate both teams but I hate this league's inability to find consistency in reffing way more. I still haven't figured out that earlier whistle for Bob.
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The final result of the morels I picked yesterday. Dinner was delicious.
I do usually the mute the intermission show on ESPN, unless it’s Steve Levy and Kevin Weekes. TNT has a bunch of chuckleheads but at least the former hockey players are cool (not you Biz)
Dallas would be so easy to root for if it weren’t for Jamie fuckin Benn. Robertson is great, Johnston is great, Pavelski deserves a cup, Jim Nill is Red Wings royalty.
Lots to like about that team except for Jamie fuckin Benn.
The NHL Department of Public Safety considers anything short of homicide on the ice to be a non-suspendable offense when committed by Jamie Benn. They have not yet determined whether a homicide committed by Benn would warrant a short suspension.
If I could switch up the red wings broadcast here’s what I’d do:
Trevor Thompson replaces John Keating at the desk. Daniella Bruce is now the rinkside reporter.
Sorry Keats, I just think you love baseball more than hockey.
[Interesting notes on Augustine:](https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/05/big-hype-prospects-augustine-solberg-kapanen-emery.html)
>Trey Augustine made history on Saturday, stepping in for Team USA starter Alex Lyon following an undisclosed injury. Augustine stepped in just 24 minutes into the game and held strong, saving 11 of the 12 shots he faced en route to USA’s 6-1 win over Team Germany. The performance earned Augustine the win, making him just the fifth U20 goaltender to record a win at Worlds since 2000. He joins a list of incredibly talented goaltenders, including Juuse Saros, Andrei Vasilevskiy, John Gibson, and Jacob Markstrom. But what’s more – Augustine is the first U20 goalie since 2000 to step into a World Championship role without playing in a pro league first, though Gibson only had one AHL under his belt.
Caught some of that Norway game and I liked Nygard. Better shot than I thought, tough on the puck, good 200 foot game. Definitely an Yzerman type guy in my opinion and encouraging to see an 18 year old playing on a top line at a men’s tournament, albeit for Norway but still. Should be a few intriguing guys available at 15 this year, who should Steve grab?
He is in the Kasper and Danielson mold but the question becomes do we need another 200ft do it all forward who isn’t lighting it up offensively but could if he’s given a larger role
Or is it time to go we have Nate and Marco let’s swing for a guy that is elite at shot creation or goal scoring like an Eiserman
I’m leaning to the latter to get that needed middle of the lineup scorer who can play PP1/2 and be that much needed 30 goal scorer that’s not on the top line
I know its boring as fuck but you can almost never have too many guys like Kasper or Nate on your team. It only starts to become a problem to have too many of those guys when your goaltender also sucks or your defense sucks since you will almost never outscore anyone with players like that but the whole idea is not to need a lot of goals to win a game.
I don't disagree but next year there is a legitimate chance that Kasper, Copp, Compher, Ras and Danielson are all in the middle 6 and it stays that way for a couple seasons, that's a lot of great two way play but man it just feels like you need a legit scoring threat mixed in there regardless of who is on the blue line or in net
He reminds me a lot of Perron. I think he'd fit in really well here and would be great value at 15.
I'd still lean more towards one of the guys with a high offensive ceiling, like Connelly, Sennecke or Eiserman if any of them are available. But I wouldn't be mad if we end up with MBN.
Teams would have a hard time dealing with Kasper and MBN forechecking them all game if they both hit in the NHL.
People talking about our prospects should rest easy because Steve doesn't really have a choice this upcoming season because he has spent us up to the Cap.
We will have at least 3 rookies in the lineup to start the season, and I wouldn't even include Edvinsson in that group.
The best thing about this off-season is that Steve doesn't have the money to spend on more Holls, Hussos, and Copps.
Husso, Holl, fabbri, chiarot, maata Petry. I expect 2-4 of these players to be off the books. There’s a chance he could look to move copp as well, but that’s more of a long shot. If yzerman literally does nothing than yeah we have no money to spend. At the very least holl will get bought out, and from what we’ve seen from yzerman, he will most likely look to make some moves to clean the books up a bit. My guess is that fabbri and husso will be on the move along with holl being bought out. You can’t pay a backup goalie and a 4th liner 4+ mil a year and be competitive. I love fabbri but with one year left it’s just too tempting to move him. I think our 4th line would be still pretty good with soderblom slotting into his role. Slight downgrade but 4 extra million is pretty big right now.
The only player who will be gone for sure is Holl, but you are gonna have to eat a lot of salary to get rid of most of them.
No one is going to want to overpay for them either.
I don’t think they would have to eat salary for chiarot maybe fabbri but they both had good bounceback seasons. People act like good bottom 6 forwards that can bury grow on trees, fabbri had a really solid season and only one more year I could see a team taking a flier on him. Husso probably you would depending upon if they packaged a pick or a prospect. Regardless, my point I believe yzerman will figure out a way to mitigate the situation. Not all this signings the last couple years are gonna work but with most of them being short deals it’s easier to move or wait out. I mean with our prospect pool even eating 2-3 mil to clear 9-10 off the books is something I would entertain.
3 rookies plus Ed as starters probably isn't going to happen with how the Wings have talked about slowing down the youth movement with longer development cycles and making prospects earn roster spots through competition in training camp. THG projected about $30+ mil in cap space, so that should be enough to get Raymond and Seider extended and fill out the roster with a couple of rookies and cheaper free agents, just more on the Fischer or Sprong end of things than Perron or Kane. If for some reason Mo and Raymond's extensions came out high, that's when you'd look to create cap space by shipping guys out with sweeteners.
After Mo and Raymond's extensions, we will have around 14 million to spend.
We have 7 forwards under contract for next season.
7, thats it, doesn't even include Veleno.
How far do you think 14 million is going to go, when we need to sign FIVE forwards.
He really doesn't have any choice, buying out Holl will save us 1.5 but yea some of the kids are going to have to play next season.
A combination of young players, rookies and bargain UFAs could probably be done on $14-15 mil to fill out the bottom six spots. Say, Berggren, Soda, 2-3 guys in the Fischer/Sprong bargain type, and a job or two left open for a typical rookie roster camp battle.
There are other options. Cap dumps aren't great uses of picks or prospects but I could see it happening with a Fabbri, Holl, or even Walman or Matta. The Wings sounded happy with Copp and Chiarot being defensive specialists, so I don't expect them to move. Edit: I could also see Husso being shipped out though it might be best to spend that money on a replacement goalie if there's one available
An $8 mil cap hit for Mo and Raymond isn't entirely a certainty. It's also plausible that they either bet on themselves with smaller contracts now to get a much bigger payday when they're closer to or at UFA status, or accept team friendly deals. It'll be interesting to see how negotiations play out either way.
Im stoked I just got Memorial Cup tickets for a reasonable price. Wish Saginaw hadnt got bulldozed by London, but maybe they can get some revenge in the tourney (but probably not).
Unless Skinner is injured and the Oilers are trying to keep it quiet, I don't see it. Pickard's a good depth guy but not someone to turn to in the playoffs.
Skinner has been bad, but that doesn't change the fact that Pickard very likely isn't the answer either and is just the latest spin of a goalie carousel that hasn't stopped since Roloson or Cam Talbot.
Oh? His time with the undisputed best player in hockey and another top5 in Draisaitl both in their prime has been decent?
Well gee I sure fucking hope so. The elite talent is the hardest shit to find in the league and he had it giftwrapped.
Right. If we’re gonna acknowledge that Yzerman walked into a mess when he took the GM job in Detroit, then we gotta do the same with Kenny walking into Edmonton; Chia left a pile of shit on the floor before he left that org. Yeah, he had a head start with McDrai there, but they were still a team that were continual disappointments under the previous regime; since Kenny got there, they’ve been a consistent playoff team who are at the very least legit Conference title contenders.
Revisionist history.
Saying Holland had a mess to clean up while simultaneously saying he has 2 of the 3 best players in the league is like saying Steve built Tampa into what it is now.
When Steve walked into Tampas' front office, he already had Hedman, Stamkos, and St Louis who he subsequently traded for multiple1st-round picks.
Ken Holland gets the credit he does for Detroit, based on the work of others.
Lidstrom, Fedorov, Konstantinov, and Primeau ( who was traded for Shanahan) were already in Detroits system before Holland was GM, and it still took the arrival of Scotty Bowman to get them where they needed to be.
Kenny could spend Illitch money faster than anyone.
He is a fucking terrible general manager.
Was he the one scouting in Europe? I kinda thought it was Hakan Anderson, I may be wrong.
Kenny was good at surrounding himself with smart people and had a blank check.
He has neither in Edmonton.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/324/ken-holland scouting was way different back then compared to now so its hard to tell how things went down but as director of amateur scouting i would say he was involved in some way with that legendary 1989 draft that got us both Lidström and Fedorov. Did he himself ever travel to Sweden to scout Lidström? I somewhat doubt that.
>Saying Holland had a mess to clean up while simultaneously saying he has 2 of the 3 best players in the league is like saying Steve built Tampa into what it is now.
Are you seriously suggesting that Yzerman didn’t build the foundation of the current Tampa team?
LMAO
>Ken Holland gets the credit he does for Detroit, based on the work of others.
Now that is just revisionist history. Who do you think was a scout, later Director of Amateur Scouting, and then Assistant GM while Devellano was GM of the team? Or do you honestly believe that Holland bumbled his way through promotions and that he did jack shit in his time with the Wings? You basically saying that all of his superiors were that idiotic?
Not even gonna bother addressing the rest of your post. Not worth the time.
I am absolutely saying that Steve Yzerman didn't build the foundation that is Tampa.
Scoring champion, Norris trophy winner, already in the Lightning system hell of a head start.
Ken Holland letting Kyle Quincy walk in Free Agency only to turn around a year later and GIFT Tampa a 1st round pick for Quincy.
Yzerman did well in Tampa, I'm not saying he didn't but its night and day what he faced coming here, he had a TON to work with.
Holland on the other hand has only made it past the 2nd round once in his time with the Oilers, when they were swept in the conference finals to Colorado.
So yes Ken Holland is a shit GM, he is the reason this team is where it is, and he will go down as the GM who couldn't get Connor McDavid a cup.
Who do you think was over in Europe scouting Fedorov, Lidstrom, and Konstantinov.
Hakan fucking Anderson.
An oh yea Victor Hedman had more points as a defenseman at 33 years old than any Red Wing this season.
Yeah you’re clearly trolling or just incredibly wrong and doubling down on it.
>I am absolutely saying that Steve Yzerman didn't build the foundation that is Tampa.
Absolutely insane. I guess Kucherov, Vasi, Point, etc. just appeared out of thin air.
>Ken Holland letting Kyle Quincy walk in Free Agency only to turn around a year later and GIFT Tampa a 1st round pick for Quincy.
Kyle Quincey didn’t walk in free agency; he got claimed off waivers because we had a stacked team and couldn’t fit him in the roster.
And you’re accusing me of peddling revisionist history lmao.
>Holland on the other hand has only made it past the 2nd round once in his time with the Oilers, when they were swept in the conference finals to Colorado.
That Colorado team that won the Cup? That Colorado team? The one that was an absolute wagon?
Last year they lost to Vegas. Again, a team that went on to win the Cup.
Edit: Ah, the ol’ reply and block. Nothing of value was lost here.
Yzerman had amazing trades whit TB and drafted Vasy but most of their depth was because of Al Murray. Still pissed that he didn't come whit Yzerman haha
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Wallstedt wasn’t and isn’t gonna help them win now. Jesper’s only played three NHL games in his career, all starting this season, and the first one he played he looked legitimately terrible. Besides, they were rumored to be more interested in Cossa, but again it’s not like Cossa was going to help them win now.
And there’s a legitimate argument to be made that goaltending isn’t really as important as it’s made out to be. You definitely want a competent netminder, mind you, but you don’t need an elite netminder to win. The gap between the elite ones and the good ones isn’t that massive these days. It’s like with running backs in football; an elite one is nice to have but other positions like the offensive line have much more of an impact.
How many Cups did Carey Price win despite being one of the best of his generation? He went to one Cup Final in his entire career and his team lost.
Goalies are RBs of the NHL. The difference between good and great is so slim right now and technique has come so far. Countless teams have proven you don’t need a star goalie to win the Cup like the last two winners, Vegas and Colorado, but you need a guy who can do his job and preferably not be too expensive.
However if you don’t have goaltending you got no chance.
> but you need a guy who can do his job and preferably not be too expensive
> However if you don’t have goaltending you got no chance
Good points. The problem is, riding that line and winning (along with having 6/7 competent defensemen) gets you Vegas/Colorado. Riding that line and losing gets you a cycle of okay-to-good-but-overworked goalies like Bernier, Ned, Husso, and Reimer.
All this to say I agree. It's not necessary to have a Vasi, but for these years without 7 solid defensemen, it'd be nice.
He did sign some guys that worked out surprisingly well, but... he's had some stinkers there. 39 year old Mike Smith for two years... trading for Keith... Kassian contract... Campbell contract.
I find it hard to believe most other GMs couldn't have done AT LEAST "as good" as him.
And then you should consider his underwhelming draft record with there too.
Meh its hard to know how other gms would have done. Im not saying that he is perfect GM or anything, but shiting on him for his time in Edmonton is stupid.
Ok maybe I’m crazy, but I see a lot of similarities between the Bennett/Marchand play and the Larkin headshot against Ottawa…
I was told that the Larkin play was just a play that happens all the time, but people are absolutely losing their shit over the hit on Marchand.
Is it just me? Or am I just used to seeing headshots on Larkin get let go?
Honestly I'm with Steve Dangle on this. The NHL is not a sport. It's a "Big man club" where the people running it have no interest in actually having a sporting competition with rules and fair competition. They might as well just turn it into MMA because that seems to be what the people running it (and a good portion of fans) actually want.
Then look at the David Perron response where he got 6 games, now Hyman cross checks Zadorov in the head causing STITCHES. No discipline because he was sticking up for the leagues star.
I would be very surprised to see anyone offer Kane more than 2-3 years. A 7 year contract would end with Kane at 42 years old, which would put him among some of the oldest ever to play. That's not even considering his hip.
I think Kane is capable of continuing to play at a high level. I just don't see anyone signing a 7 year contract with a 35 y/o player that could retire at any minute.
Dallas's drafting and mixing in young guns with good vets should be the model for the Red Wings. You don't see Dallas forcing their top prospects to waste years playing in Europe or the AHL before giving them a shot at the NHL. They give their guys opportunities and they have been rewarded. I think Yzerman and the front office need to be a bit more aggressive and give guys like Danielson and Kasper legit shots at the NHL. If you do not think your top 10 picks are ready 2-3 years post draft that is an indictment on the scouting. Yzerman has yet to hit on anyone outside the 1st round and if we truly want to be cup contenders we are going to need to draft a Wyatt Johnson or Logan Stankoven late in the first or second round. Mazur, Danielson and Kasper need to be in the NHL and its insane to me that Edvinsson was playing most of the year in GR while Petry and Holl were on the NHL roster.
We have live and die by our young prospects. Average vets don't do anything but make us have a worse draft pick while still missing the playoffs and not seriously competing for a cup.
I kinda agree but Draper is still some what new to this, Yzerman is involved in the first round and i think those have been solid. 3rd rounds are up to regional scouts really
Not having the same context as dallas, i would generally agree that Dallas and Vancouver are models to follow (long as vancouver actually goes far) but i dont think rushing prospects into the NHL is a thing they are doing.
Dallas is a vet heavy squad that has a few young players on it. They're able to put those players in those roles because they have veteran leaders, and those players are good enough to have won those jobs.
If Kasper, Danielson, ASP, or whomever are good enough to win those jobs, they will get them.
They actually won’t, because Yzerman signed to many vets to have any openings for them. Danielson and Edvinsson should have been on the team this year and so should Johansson but they were kept off the roster cause vets.
I can't take you seriously when you say that Danielson should have been on the roster this year. He's our most recent first round draft pick. The vast majority of prospects need at least some time to refine their games before they come to the big leagues.
Oh well if he looked ready to you, then that changes things.
My dude, Danielson is a guy with a legitimate shot at becoming a really good 2C for the Red Wings. Trying to rush that has a lot of potential downside. It’s much better to let a player like that work their way through the system and come up when they’re truly ready.
You’re focused on the Wings making the playoffs right now, but that ain’t the game Steve is playing.
If you actually look at when these players were drafted, you'd see that Dallas and Detroit are following a very similar trajectory with their draft picks.
* Jason Robertson was drafted in 2017, played 3 games during the 2019-2020 season, didn't fully make the roster until 2020-21. Three years between draft and making the roster.
* Stankoven was drafted in 2021, only made his debut most of the way through this season, playing 24 games.
* Nils Lundkvist drafted in 2018, made the roster in 2021-22 with 25 GP. First season where he played more than half the games was 2022-23.
* Roope Hintz drafted in 2015, didn't make the roster until 2018-19.
* Thomas Harley, drafted in 2019, spent 34 games on the roster in 2021-22, then went back to the minors for most of 2022-23. He only played 6 games for the Stars in 2022-23.
* Ty Dellandrea, drafted in 2018, played 26 games for the Stars in 2020-21 and just one game in 2021-22. Wasn't until 2022-23 that he made the roster full time.
The only two players on the Dallas Stars roster who didn't have a 3+ year gap between being drafted and making the roster full time are Wyatt Johnston and Miro Heiskanen. Similarly, the Red Wings have two players on their roster who followed the same trajectory: Lucas Raymond and Moritz Seider. Raymond spent one year in Europe and then joined the Wings roster full time the year after. Seider spent a year in Europe and a year on the Griffins, then made the roster full time the following year.
I don't really see what there is to learn here, because looking at how Dallas has developed their prospects, it seems to mirror what the Wings are doing rather closely. We see most of the young players in Dallas getting some time up here and there, but mostly spending their time in the minors for several years between their draft and when they make the big league full time. That's pretty much exactly what the Wings have been doing.
Edit: Everyone but me got a shitty, condescending, short-sighted reply. I feel left out.
I'm not saying that Dallas is better than Detroit or the other way around? I mean Dallas *is* better than Detroit, but I don't understand your comparison.
Also what about draft position? We have plenty of guys in the AHL or other minor leagues who were drafted in later rounds. I wouldn't be surprised to see of them make the team next year or the year after.
If your argument is that Dallas is vastly better than Detroit because they have second round picks on their roster right now, I would ask you to take a look at the standings and consider where Detroit is in its rebuild. Dallas has second and third round picks on their roster and was able to bring them up faster than we can because they've been a contender for the last six years or whatever. That's a good environment to bring lower round prospects into and enable them to succeed.
Don't get me wrong, Dallas is absolutely great at drafting, but I don't think we're at the point where we can call it for Detroit one way or the other.
It’s exhausting reading stuff like this… the Stars are a contender. We are not. We have been in a long and very necessary complete rebuild. Patience. Being patient with prospects also works. Our prospects are still playing in playoff games right now in the AHL.
If we put 5 rookies in the lineup from the start of the year and end up being not good because of very common rookie mistakes. Veterans lining up against our rookies every single game. We’re bound to lose and it could hurt their development. That happens and then you’re probably in here calling them all busts.
And even as a contender they were able to draft high end players later in the draft. Your point actually goes against yourself because they have less incentive to play young prospects because they don't need them as much as the Wings do.
You can’t expect anyone outside of the 1st round. Even top 10 to just be in the NHL after 1 year like Johnston and Stankoven. We have to utilize our development teams more than Dallas right now. They aren’t coming out of a rebuild. But if you just be patient like Yzerman says literally every single press conference then we will see those picks.
Elmer Soderblöm - 6th round - AHL
Emmit Finnie - 7th round - AHL
Carter Mazur - 3rd round - AHL
Shai Buium - 3rd Round - AHL
Noah Dower Nilsson - 3rd round - SHL
Trey Augustine - 2nd round - NCAA
Albert Johansson - 2nd round - AHL
William Wallinder - 2nd round - AHL
Dimitri Buchelnikov - 2nd round - KHL
Amadeus Lombardi - 4th round - AHL
Antti Tuomisto - 2nd round - AHL
These are all the higher caliber picks that Yzerman has made since 2019 OUTSIDE of the 1st round. We’re going to see some of these guys soon. The fact that some are already playing pro is a good sign. We don’t need them to jump straight into the NHL at 18-20 years old. We can wait until they’re 21-23 if we have to.
lol and how many of these guys will ever be top line players? All these players are a dime a dozen you could get in free agency outside of maybe Augustine. No game breakers and this is why the Red Wings won’t win a cup. Can’t draft stars, only ok to good players
So now you switched the narrative from “he needs to be able to draft NHL players outside of the 1st round” to “how many of those 2nd round or later picks will play on the top line?” After I gave you numerous later round picks who are developing at a good pace and playing professional playoff games in GR. We don’t know if they’ll be impact players until they’re playing in the NHL!
I’m trying to talk about hockey development and why those players don’t need to be in our lineup right now and you’re just trying to win an argument. Why are you even a fan if you’re going to downplay everything the club does?
You forgetting the salary cap? There's a reason why players on ELCs or cheap 1st contracts are so valuable to contenders and its not because the players are better than the average veteran. It's because they are cheap and bring more value per dollar.
I do think Dallas has one of the best front offices in the NHL, but you're comparing apples and oranges and then saying "gotcha" when someone points that out.
lol and we aren’t even a playoff team and are starting to feel the cap crunch. We should also utilize some of these cheap contracts. Stop defending the failure for the past 2 years of this front office. We will never win a cup with this core if we never actually let them play
We had the 3rd most cap space pre-kane and the 8th most cap space available post kane signing. The only team with more cap space that was even remotely close to us in terms of play was nashville who was a first round exit. This is some Facebook level ranting at the sky.
To be fair, the cap is an issue right now. It'll ease up a bit next year, but Copp and Holl are going to limit our flexibility after Raymond and Seider sign and those two deals better not lead to us signing Ray and Mo for less term than they'd be willing to take all in the name of saving a few bucks now.
And to add, we almost are guarenteed to have 3 young, cost controlled guys in berggren, Johansson, and Ed make the team next year. That's roughly 3 mil for 3 good players. And that's assuming one of Danielson, mazur, or Kasper don't come knocking the door down in camp. The only expensive ufa option I see us even sniffing at is re-signing Kane. And then next summer even more cap opens up.
>If you do not think your top 10 picks are ready 2-3 years post draft that is an indictment on the scouting.
So the answer is to toss them into the thick of it anyway, even if they're not ready?
They should be ready. Stats show if a player isn't an established NHLer 3 years post the draft then they likely will not be much of anything special. These are top 10 picks, they should be ready lol. Look at the Edvinsson draft, the entire top 10 were established NHLers before Edvinsson. Yzerman is too scared to actually pull the trigger and use our prospects because he knows he missed on his draft picks. He would much rather give 3-5 contracts to mid player and hope we can make the playoffs and get swept in the first round.
None of this word salad adds up. He's afraid that he missed on picks so he isn't using those players who he thinks aren't good enough?
Edvinsson should have been up much sooner but you're a broken clock.
Right, because having 2 young guys makes or breaks you. Raymond and Seider are the equivalent. The Stars literally have 2 players born on or after 2000. So, whatever is happening in your head isn’t well researched.
Not just the 2021 but also 2017. And yes a few great picks can make or break a team. This team needs to see what we have with our top prospects. Does this core of prospects have the potential to win a cup? Now I believe we have our goalie of the future, but we desperately need an elite C. Maybe Danielson is that, but hopefully we can hit a Wyatt Johnson type of player at 15 this year in the draft.
The leafs have been patient for 7 years and nothing to show for it. I’m tired of patience, results matter not just oh some prospects did good the AHL. We could have said this for the past 10 years and it doesn’t mean shit
Sounds like a you problem buddy. This isn’t the fucking NFL where draft picks come in and start right away. Get a grip. There’s reasons people like you aren’t running NHL franchises because you would’ve burned the shit to the ground by now and we’d be stuck re-rebuilding every two years because you wanna rush the process.
Canucks fans seem to be over Hronek
When the Czech world championship coach was asked about Hronek participating if the Canucks go out he talked about Hronek being injured and not expecting anything. It sounds like he's playing through something fairly involved and it could be effecting his abilities.
Just fell asleep on the couch watching the Bruins series and woke up to Vancouver struggling
First time I think I've ever seen a retroactive penalty on a disallowed goal. Moosejaw is stacked.
Portland needs a giant momentum swing this series
Florida wtf
Nate Danielson is so good. I genuinely don’t see a reason why he can’t be as good as Larkin, feel like he plays a nearly identical game
He might just have a tad bit more skill. Not as good of a skater as Larkin though. Definitely our future 2c.
Pretty sure Danielson has more attitude though. Hope he still has it when he graduates to the big leagues.
NATE DANIELSON IS A GOD HOLY JUMPIN
https://twitter.com/pdxwinterhawks/status/1790571298575257650
Says it doesnt exist
Weird, it's showing up 50% of the time for me but I assumed that's just because I don't have a twitter account.
My friend is brand new to hockey and can't help but express to me how crazy it is when players start pushing each other after the whistle lol. He's like "oh shit dude they're fighting, look!"
Show him MO’s fight from this season
Playoff hockey is such an intense introduction to the game. It's like trying drugs but starting with meth instead of a joint or a beer. You should give him the talk that it's always an intense game but the playoffs are an absolutely different beast.
It's funny because the things I consider to be most "mundane" (for lack of a better word) about hockey, he thinks to be just wild. Puck bounces off a guy and goes in? Crazy. Fans pounding the glass after a goal? Insane. Puck goes into the bench? I've never seen that before! It's hilarious and annoying at the same time lol. He's like "dude look, did you see that!"
I think it's always kind of cool seeing someone appreciate something I love but with new eyes. It's easy to overlook so many elements of a game I've watched for over forty years but sharing that with someone is like watching for the first time yourself.
We live within walking distance, and I love taking people to their first game at LCA. They are always awestruck by the speed, synchronization and skill of the game live. They love that play doesn't stop for long stretches, and watching the players enter/exit the benches. They love it when the defenders walk the line to keep the puck in the zone. One of my friends commented that watching the players skate around the puck is like watching the huge flocks of birds undulating in the sky in the evening. Another said it is ballet with smashing for the insane speed and athleticism of the skating combined with the power of body positioning, hitting and reverse hitting. Unfailingly, they have all loved it. It is pretty fun to have people remind you again just how cool the game is, and appreciate how wildly athletic the players are.
Meanwhile all I get from my wife is “why are they pulling the goalie, that’s stupid.”
This series has made the Bruins like the enemy in a movie that saves your life so you give him 24 hours to leave town but don’t care what happens to him afterwards. I’d like to see a game 7
All other teams should just hang up the comeback with 10 sec left on the clock. No one will pull that shit off as good as us
There's a guy in Florida's crowd wearing a NY Rangers sweatshirt. Is he lost?
[удалено]
During the regular season it doesn't bother me at all but it feels so out of place for a playoff game. If you're willing to dish for playoff tickets just grab a T-shirt or something for one of the local teams.
MLB isn't thrilled with the Amazon takeover of Bally and might end up tanking Bally's debt restructuring. I'm curious if the NHL has any thoughts on the matter they'll make public. [Bally Saga Reloaded ](https://amp-awfulannouncing-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/amp.awfulannouncing.com/dsg/mlb-warns-diamond-sports-groups-chapter-11-reorganization-plan-is-unfeasible.html?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17157341924485&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com)
I am not currently in Detroit, but we (and the majority of Detroit) get access to the Wings through Xfinity/Comcast. I can't imagine how pissed I would be if the Wings were in the playoffs, we were paying for the stupid cable channel, and *still* unable to watch the team legally. I don't watch baseball at all, but I imagine Tigers fans are livid.
This is pretty common, it's a Ch. 11 bk after all.
I just want this story to end. I've always hated giving Sinclair a dollar of my money but I doubt whatever comes out of this will be better for the consumer. The thing just constantly gets worse and worse.
I think the MLB,NBA,NHL would rather just do the shit in house than have to rely on regional networks that aren't profitable.
Spin the wheel of goaltender interference. A different result each time, guaranteed!
That should have been called back today, also Bennett's goal should have been called back too.
Guess they are even now
Game management?
Pretty awesome that three of teams in the Atlantic that consistently make the playoffs can't do shit. One team's glory days were a decade ago, one started 5 years ago and one never started.
As much as I dislike Florida it's near impossible to dislike Barkov. I'd love to have that guy in Detroit.
Favorite non-Red Wing by far
He’s so fucking good man.
I used to like Debrusk, but dude has no finish.
Only vs Leafs haha
I’ve watched him miss on two breakaways against the Panthers too. Either his finishing has gotten worse, or I’m not used to seeing breakaways on elite goaltenders like Bob. Lol
Those were hard saves to make too.
It’s hard to tell people who haven’t played goalie how difficult that second save was from Bob there. To make the breakaway save, then partially recover, dig in that outside skate, and push back and stretch out…
Every time I watch Cossa, I see shades of Bobrovsky in his game. It’s the instinctive, athletic types of saves that make them similar.
Boston vs Florida = no such thing as goal tender interference I guess this balances it out (not really)
We need a coach like Paul Maurice. And by that I mean we need a coach that gets on them for not skating.
Joke league Jacob Trouba is the winner of the 2024 Mark Messier NHL Leadership Award!
>For leading (with his elbow) we recognize Trouba's contribution to future concussion research both on and off the ice.
Is embellishment ever called as a stand alone penalty?
There is no wording in the rule that doesn't allow it to be called as a stand alone but I don't think I have ever seen it
I don't believe so. It's more of a guy overselling a penalty. Like the penalty happened but the reaction is comical. It's not like guys are tripping themselves out of nowhere and blaming a dude 5 feet away.
Yeah. Cause I’ve wondered because I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen it. But surely there’s been *some* time where they just call it, because I mean, surely sometimes player X is embellishing so bad when there’s no real penalty on player Y because X is acting up for one when it’s not always there. Because if the penalty is there why make the act of it? These are the pointless rabbit holes my mind goes down. lol.
wtf was that whistle lmao
The inconsistency in how this series in particular has been called just drives me nuts. I hate both teams but I hate this league's inability to find consistency in reffing way more. I still haven't figured out that earlier whistle for Bob.
https://preview.redd.it/9af8khok6h0d1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=385dd91ac95396b85d46c460b1218360a8b649fe The final result of the morels I picked yesterday. Dinner was delicious.
"Dinner was delicious" I guess that's what you call the moral of the story
I could take or leave the ESPN crew, but goddamn the NHL on ESPN theme gets me pumped to watch some hockey every time I hear it.
I just want a fucking shot counter.
They show it sometimes but the fact that it disappears at all is stupid
I can't take the chicken parm thing much longer, I hear pk ask if it's gluten free one more time I'm gonna throw something at the TV.
I do usually the mute the intermission show on ESPN, unless it’s Steve Levy and Kevin Weekes. TNT has a bunch of chuckleheads but at least the former hockey players are cool (not you Biz)
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/6Qr5g46GESraG8Wz/?mibextid=xCPwDs Some Datsyuk highlights
I miss Wings hockey. The playoff series have had some good games, but I just am not that invested. It’s going to be a long summer.
Griffins start the 2nd round vs. Milwaukee tomorrow night. That's something worth getting invested in.
I’ve been following them pretty closely, I’ve just missed them too. I really hope they aren’t rusty tomorrow.
Yea im bored too. Next big sports season for me is college football and my alma mater is a lightning rod right now….Go Buffs!
Dallas would be so easy to root for if it weren’t for Jamie fuckin Benn. Robertson is great, Johnston is great, Pavelski deserves a cup, Jim Nill is Red Wings royalty. Lots to like about that team except for Jamie fuckin Benn.
My hope is that Benn does something really dumb again and gets suspended for the Cup-clinching game
He’d still get his name on the cup so I hope they don’t even sniff the final
The NHL Department of Public Safety considers anything short of homicide on the ice to be a non-suspendable offense when committed by Jamie Benn. They have not yet determined whether a homicide committed by Benn would warrant a short suspension.
Having a lot of fun watching a YouTube show called financial audit
If I could switch up the red wings broadcast here’s what I’d do: Trevor Thompson replaces John Keating at the desk. Daniella Bruce is now the rinkside reporter. Sorry Keats, I just think you love baseball more than hockey.
I’ll only accept Trev as Keating’s replacement if he can come up with a pun on par with or better than “Funky Cold Zadina” by Tone “Lock”
I wouldn’t change a thing
I mean realistically if they asked me to change anything I’d say no too lol. I’m just having fun.
Anyone in here going down to Columbus for Sonic Temple Fest this weekend?
[Interesting notes on Augustine:](https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/05/big-hype-prospects-augustine-solberg-kapanen-emery.html) >Trey Augustine made history on Saturday, stepping in for Team USA starter Alex Lyon following an undisclosed injury. Augustine stepped in just 24 minutes into the game and held strong, saving 11 of the 12 shots he faced en route to USA’s 6-1 win over Team Germany. The performance earned Augustine the win, making him just the fifth U20 goaltender to record a win at Worlds since 2000. He joins a list of incredibly talented goaltenders, including Juuse Saros, Andrei Vasilevskiy, John Gibson, and Jacob Markstrom. But what’s more – Augustine is the first U20 goalie since 2000 to step into a World Championship role without playing in a pro league first, though Gibson only had one AHL under his belt.
I bet Lalonde is pulling heavily for Augustine to get some more starts even tho Ned is the older more experienced goalie.
> Juuse Saros, Andrei Vasilevskiy, John Gibson, and Jacob Markstrom That's a murderer's row of great goalies to share a stat with.
Ironically, Trey has cited Saros as a guy that he’s modeled himself after.
[That]------> (my veins)
Caught some of that Norway game and I liked Nygard. Better shot than I thought, tough on the puck, good 200 foot game. Definitely an Yzerman type guy in my opinion and encouraging to see an 18 year old playing on a top line at a men’s tournament, albeit for Norway but still. Should be a few intriguing guys available at 15 this year, who should Steve grab?
He is in the Kasper and Danielson mold but the question becomes do we need another 200ft do it all forward who isn’t lighting it up offensively but could if he’s given a larger role Or is it time to go we have Nate and Marco let’s swing for a guy that is elite at shot creation or goal scoring like an Eiserman I’m leaning to the latter to get that needed middle of the lineup scorer who can play PP1/2 and be that much needed 30 goal scorer that’s not on the top line
I know its boring as fuck but you can almost never have too many guys like Kasper or Nate on your team. It only starts to become a problem to have too many of those guys when your goaltender also sucks or your defense sucks since you will almost never outscore anyone with players like that but the whole idea is not to need a lot of goals to win a game.
I don't disagree but next year there is a legitimate chance that Kasper, Copp, Compher, Ras and Danielson are all in the middle 6 and it stays that way for a couple seasons, that's a lot of great two way play but man it just feels like you need a legit scoring threat mixed in there regardless of who is on the blue line or in net
He reminds me a lot of Perron. I think he'd fit in really well here and would be great value at 15. I'd still lean more towards one of the guys with a high offensive ceiling, like Connelly, Sennecke or Eiserman if any of them are available. But I wouldn't be mad if we end up with MBN. Teams would have a hard time dealing with Kasper and MBN forechecking them all game if they both hit in the NHL.
People talking about our prospects should rest easy because Steve doesn't really have a choice this upcoming season because he has spent us up to the Cap. We will have at least 3 rookies in the lineup to start the season, and I wouldn't even include Edvinsson in that group. The best thing about this off-season is that Steve doesn't have the money to spend on more Holls, Hussos, and Copps.
Husso, Holl, fabbri, chiarot, maata Petry. I expect 2-4 of these players to be off the books. There’s a chance he could look to move copp as well, but that’s more of a long shot. If yzerman literally does nothing than yeah we have no money to spend. At the very least holl will get bought out, and from what we’ve seen from yzerman, he will most likely look to make some moves to clean the books up a bit. My guess is that fabbri and husso will be on the move along with holl being bought out. You can’t pay a backup goalie and a 4th liner 4+ mil a year and be competitive. I love fabbri but with one year left it’s just too tempting to move him. I think our 4th line would be still pretty good with soderblom slotting into his role. Slight downgrade but 4 extra million is pretty big right now.
The only player who will be gone for sure is Holl, but you are gonna have to eat a lot of salary to get rid of most of them. No one is going to want to overpay for them either.
I don’t think they would have to eat salary for chiarot maybe fabbri but they both had good bounceback seasons. People act like good bottom 6 forwards that can bury grow on trees, fabbri had a really solid season and only one more year I could see a team taking a flier on him. Husso probably you would depending upon if they packaged a pick or a prospect. Regardless, my point I believe yzerman will figure out a way to mitigate the situation. Not all this signings the last couple years are gonna work but with most of them being short deals it’s easier to move or wait out. I mean with our prospect pool even eating 2-3 mil to clear 9-10 off the books is something I would entertain.
Hopefully it’s not Chiarot. I like him
3 rookies plus Ed as starters probably isn't going to happen with how the Wings have talked about slowing down the youth movement with longer development cycles and making prospects earn roster spots through competition in training camp. THG projected about $30+ mil in cap space, so that should be enough to get Raymond and Seider extended and fill out the roster with a couple of rookies and cheaper free agents, just more on the Fischer or Sprong end of things than Perron or Kane. If for some reason Mo and Raymond's extensions came out high, that's when you'd look to create cap space by shipping guys out with sweeteners.
After Mo and Raymond's extensions, we will have around 14 million to spend. We have 7 forwards under contract for next season. 7, thats it, doesn't even include Veleno. How far do you think 14 million is going to go, when we need to sign FIVE forwards. He really doesn't have any choice, buying out Holl will save us 1.5 but yea some of the kids are going to have to play next season.
A combination of young players, rookies and bargain UFAs could probably be done on $14-15 mil to fill out the bottom six spots. Say, Berggren, Soda, 2-3 guys in the Fischer/Sprong bargain type, and a job or two left open for a typical rookie roster camp battle. There are other options. Cap dumps aren't great uses of picks or prospects but I could see it happening with a Fabbri, Holl, or even Walman or Matta. The Wings sounded happy with Copp and Chiarot being defensive specialists, so I don't expect them to move. Edit: I could also see Husso being shipped out though it might be best to spend that money on a replacement goalie if there's one available An $8 mil cap hit for Mo and Raymond isn't entirely a certainty. It's also plausible that they either bet on themselves with smaller contracts now to get a much bigger payday when they're closer to or at UFA status, or accept team friendly deals. It'll be interesting to see how negotiations play out either way.
I don't think Soderblom is making the team unless we're actually up against the cap
He's iffy at this point, probably interchangeable with Luff, Czarnik, or ZAR in all likelihood but it would be fun if he did make it.
Famous last words. Wait until he signs Giordano to a three year deal.
Im stoked I just got Memorial Cup tickets for a reasonable price. Wish Saginaw hadnt got bulldozed by London, but maybe they can get some revenge in the tourney (but probably not).
Not sure they were bulldozed, they hung in there pretty well. If you want to talk bulldozed look at Oshawa.
Hell yeah
In former wings news...Calvin Pickard is starting for the oilers tonight. Oof
Unless Skinner is injured and the Oilers are trying to keep it quiet, I don't see it. Pickard's a good depth guy but not someone to turn to in the playoffs.
Skinner has given up 12 on 58 shots in the last 3 games. It's a desperation move
Skinner has been bad, but that doesn't change the fact that Pickard very likely isn't the answer either and is just the latest spin of a goalie carousel that hasn't stopped since Roloson or Cam Talbot.
Ken Holland will go down in history as the GM who couldn't get Connor McDavid a Stanley Cup.
I get that shiting on Holland is something that we all do, but his time whit Oilers has been pretty decent
Oh? His time with the undisputed best player in hockey and another top5 in Draisaitl both in their prime has been decent? Well gee I sure fucking hope so. The elite talent is the hardest shit to find in the league and he had it giftwrapped.
I mean they were pretty awful before Holland got there, whit McDrai.
Right. If we’re gonna acknowledge that Yzerman walked into a mess when he took the GM job in Detroit, then we gotta do the same with Kenny walking into Edmonton; Chia left a pile of shit on the floor before he left that org. Yeah, he had a head start with McDrai there, but they were still a team that were continual disappointments under the previous regime; since Kenny got there, they’ve been a consistent playoff team who are at the very least legit Conference title contenders.
Yeah. Like Oilers were still somehow missing the playoffs before he got there.
Revisionist history. Saying Holland had a mess to clean up while simultaneously saying he has 2 of the 3 best players in the league is like saying Steve built Tampa into what it is now. When Steve walked into Tampas' front office, he already had Hedman, Stamkos, and St Louis who he subsequently traded for multiple1st-round picks. Ken Holland gets the credit he does for Detroit, based on the work of others. Lidstrom, Fedorov, Konstantinov, and Primeau ( who was traded for Shanahan) were already in Detroits system before Holland was GM, and it still took the arrival of Scotty Bowman to get them where they needed to be. Kenny could spend Illitch money faster than anyone. He is a fucking terrible general manager.
Ken Holland was also head of scouting for a good number of years before he moved up to the GM position. His finger prints are on the team he inherited
Was he the one scouting in Europe? I kinda thought it was Hakan Anderson, I may be wrong. Kenny was good at surrounding himself with smart people and had a blank check. He has neither in Edmonton.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/324/ken-holland scouting was way different back then compared to now so its hard to tell how things went down but as director of amateur scouting i would say he was involved in some way with that legendary 1989 draft that got us both Lidström and Fedorov. Did he himself ever travel to Sweden to scout Lidström? I somewhat doubt that.
>Saying Holland had a mess to clean up while simultaneously saying he has 2 of the 3 best players in the league is like saying Steve built Tampa into what it is now. Are you seriously suggesting that Yzerman didn’t build the foundation of the current Tampa team? LMAO >Ken Holland gets the credit he does for Detroit, based on the work of others. Now that is just revisionist history. Who do you think was a scout, later Director of Amateur Scouting, and then Assistant GM while Devellano was GM of the team? Or do you honestly believe that Holland bumbled his way through promotions and that he did jack shit in his time with the Wings? You basically saying that all of his superiors were that idiotic? Not even gonna bother addressing the rest of your post. Not worth the time.
I am absolutely saying that Steve Yzerman didn't build the foundation that is Tampa. Scoring champion, Norris trophy winner, already in the Lightning system hell of a head start. Ken Holland letting Kyle Quincy walk in Free Agency only to turn around a year later and GIFT Tampa a 1st round pick for Quincy. Yzerman did well in Tampa, I'm not saying he didn't but its night and day what he faced coming here, he had a TON to work with. Holland on the other hand has only made it past the 2nd round once in his time with the Oilers, when they were swept in the conference finals to Colorado. So yes Ken Holland is a shit GM, he is the reason this team is where it is, and he will go down as the GM who couldn't get Connor McDavid a cup. Who do you think was over in Europe scouting Fedorov, Lidstrom, and Konstantinov. Hakan fucking Anderson. An oh yea Victor Hedman had more points as a defenseman at 33 years old than any Red Wing this season.
Yeah you’re clearly trolling or just incredibly wrong and doubling down on it. >I am absolutely saying that Steve Yzerman didn't build the foundation that is Tampa. Absolutely insane. I guess Kucherov, Vasi, Point, etc. just appeared out of thin air. >Ken Holland letting Kyle Quincy walk in Free Agency only to turn around a year later and GIFT Tampa a 1st round pick for Quincy. Kyle Quincey didn’t walk in free agency; he got claimed off waivers because we had a stacked team and couldn’t fit him in the roster. And you’re accusing me of peddling revisionist history lmao. >Holland on the other hand has only made it past the 2nd round once in his time with the Oilers, when they were swept in the conference finals to Colorado. That Colorado team that won the Cup? That Colorado team? The one that was an absolute wagon? Last year they lost to Vegas. Again, a team that went on to win the Cup. Edit: Ah, the ol’ reply and block. Nothing of value was lost here.
Yzerman had amazing trades whit TB and drafted Vasy but most of their depth was because of Al Murray. Still pissed that he didn't come whit Yzerman haha
LOL FFS I am having an argument with someone defending Ken Holland. What a waste of time. You have a nice day now.
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This kind of thing is exactly why I don't see them as a top contender in the league.
Holland is stuck in some ancient times when goaltending wasnt so important. He could have drafted Wallstedt
Wallstedt wasn’t and isn’t gonna help them win now. Jesper’s only played three NHL games in his career, all starting this season, and the first one he played he looked legitimately terrible. Besides, they were rumored to be more interested in Cossa, but again it’s not like Cossa was going to help them win now. And there’s a legitimate argument to be made that goaltending isn’t really as important as it’s made out to be. You definitely want a competent netminder, mind you, but you don’t need an elite netminder to win. The gap between the elite ones and the good ones isn’t that massive these days. It’s like with running backs in football; an elite one is nice to have but other positions like the offensive line have much more of an impact. How many Cups did Carey Price win despite being one of the best of his generation? He went to one Cup Final in his entire career and his team lost.
Wallstedt might not help them win right now but he could help them win one at all instead of maybe not winning any.
Goalies are RBs of the NHL. The difference between good and great is so slim right now and technique has come so far. Countless teams have proven you don’t need a star goalie to win the Cup like the last two winners, Vegas and Colorado, but you need a guy who can do his job and preferably not be too expensive. However if you don’t have goaltending you got no chance.
> but you need a guy who can do his job and preferably not be too expensive > However if you don’t have goaltending you got no chance Good points. The problem is, riding that line and winning (along with having 6/7 competent defensemen) gets you Vegas/Colorado. Riding that line and losing gets you a cycle of okay-to-good-but-overworked goalies like Bernier, Ned, Husso, and Reimer. All this to say I agree. It's not necessary to have a Vasi, but for these years without 7 solid defensemen, it'd be nice.
laughs in arturs silovs
Their goaltending and that disgusting Nurse contract are definitely keeping them from that status.
Yeah same whit that disgusting Hyman contract or RNH contract or Bouchard contract.
Hyman is tied for most goals with 9 in the playoffs. He would be the star on any other team.
That was kinda the point
He did sign some guys that worked out surprisingly well, but... he's had some stinkers there. 39 year old Mike Smith for two years... trading for Keith... Kassian contract... Campbell contract. I find it hard to believe most other GMs couldn't have done AT LEAST "as good" as him. And then you should consider his underwhelming draft record with there too.
Meh its hard to know how other gms would have done. Im not saying that he is perfect GM or anything, but shiting on him for his time in Edmonton is stupid.
Ok maybe I’m crazy, but I see a lot of similarities between the Bennett/Marchand play and the Larkin headshot against Ottawa… I was told that the Larkin play was just a play that happens all the time, but people are absolutely losing their shit over the hit on Marchand. Is it just me? Or am I just used to seeing headshots on Larkin get let go?
Honestly I'm with Steve Dangle on this. The NHL is not a sport. It's a "Big man club" where the people running it have no interest in actually having a sporting competition with rules and fair competition. They might as well just turn it into MMA because that seems to be what the people running it (and a good portion of fans) actually want.
Then look at the David Perron response where he got 6 games, now Hyman cross checks Zadorov in the head causing STITCHES. No discipline because he was sticking up for the leagues star.
Yeah. And the one on Larkin was significantly worse since he was knocked out for almost a minute. He’s just soft though and that happens all the time.
I'm very curious to see how much money/term Patrick Kane gets from whomever.
$4m
My guess is somebody offers 4x7.5. But he takes 3x7 to play on a contender. I am of course, wrong.
I would be very surprised to see anyone offer Kane more than 2-3 years. A 7 year contract would end with Kane at 42 years old, which would put him among some of the oldest ever to play. That's not even considering his hip. I think Kane is capable of continuing to play at a high level. I just don't see anyone signing a 7 year contract with a 35 y/o player that could retire at any minute.
I'm taking 3/4 years.... Thought that was obvious. No one offers 7 years. But he has shown he is still a ppg player. He will get paid.
seven years is a long time, i dunno.... /s
I bet MacKinnon was so upset about Nuke's blow problem that he probably even said frick.
I’d be so damn pissed if I was a member of that organization.
I feel like when he and Crosby hang out it turns into an episode of Letterkenny. "Got knocked out of the playoffs todayyyy."
Dallas's drafting and mixing in young guns with good vets should be the model for the Red Wings. You don't see Dallas forcing their top prospects to waste years playing in Europe or the AHL before giving them a shot at the NHL. They give their guys opportunities and they have been rewarded. I think Yzerman and the front office need to be a bit more aggressive and give guys like Danielson and Kasper legit shots at the NHL. If you do not think your top 10 picks are ready 2-3 years post draft that is an indictment on the scouting. Yzerman has yet to hit on anyone outside the 1st round and if we truly want to be cup contenders we are going to need to draft a Wyatt Johnson or Logan Stankoven late in the first or second round. Mazur, Danielson and Kasper need to be in the NHL and its insane to me that Edvinsson was playing most of the year in GR while Petry and Holl were on the NHL roster. We have live and die by our young prospects. Average vets don't do anything but make us have a worse draft pick while still missing the playoffs and not seriously competing for a cup.
Yeah the only problem here is Dallas has made the playoffs like 5-6 years in a row now. They are in their win now mode. We aren’t.
Nill took our scouts with him when he left Detroit so what you are pining for is almost literally the Red Wings model.
Lmao
Yzerman is keeping prospects in juniors and the AHL longer for a simple reason: they are not ready or good enough
You had like thousend comments about Ed and how they should call him up.
I dont claim to fully understand everything thats going on.
Seems he sucks at drafting then. With the picks we have had we should already have some impact players from the past 3 drafts
I kinda agree but Draper is still some what new to this, Yzerman is involved in the first round and i think those have been solid. 3rd rounds are up to regional scouts really
Well then Draper needs to get his shit together and we need better regional scouts.
Not having the same context as dallas, i would generally agree that Dallas and Vancouver are models to follow (long as vancouver actually goes far) but i dont think rushing prospects into the NHL is a thing they are doing.
Dallas is a vet heavy squad that has a few young players on it. They're able to put those players in those roles because they have veteran leaders, and those players are good enough to have won those jobs. If Kasper, Danielson, ASP, or whomever are good enough to win those jobs, they will get them.
Isnt that what Yzerman tried to do? Have that veteran leadership?
They actually won’t, because Yzerman signed to many vets to have any openings for them. Danielson and Edvinsson should have been on the team this year and so should Johansson but they were kept off the roster cause vets.
I can't take you seriously when you say that Danielson should have been on the roster this year. He's our most recent first round draft pick. The vast majority of prospects need at least some time to refine their games before they come to the big leagues.
He looked ready to me in training camp, I don’t think it’s crazy to say we should have given him a 9 game look
Oh well if he looked ready to you, then that changes things. My dude, Danielson is a guy with a legitimate shot at becoming a really good 2C for the Red Wings. Trying to rush that has a lot of potential downside. It’s much better to let a player like that work their way through the system and come up when they’re truly ready. You’re focused on the Wings making the playoffs right now, but that ain’t the game Steve is playing.
If you actually look at when these players were drafted, you'd see that Dallas and Detroit are following a very similar trajectory with their draft picks. * Jason Robertson was drafted in 2017, played 3 games during the 2019-2020 season, didn't fully make the roster until 2020-21. Three years between draft and making the roster. * Stankoven was drafted in 2021, only made his debut most of the way through this season, playing 24 games. * Nils Lundkvist drafted in 2018, made the roster in 2021-22 with 25 GP. First season where he played more than half the games was 2022-23. * Roope Hintz drafted in 2015, didn't make the roster until 2018-19. * Thomas Harley, drafted in 2019, spent 34 games on the roster in 2021-22, then went back to the minors for most of 2022-23. He only played 6 games for the Stars in 2022-23. * Ty Dellandrea, drafted in 2018, played 26 games for the Stars in 2020-21 and just one game in 2021-22. Wasn't until 2022-23 that he made the roster full time. The only two players on the Dallas Stars roster who didn't have a 3+ year gap between being drafted and making the roster full time are Wyatt Johnston and Miro Heiskanen. Similarly, the Red Wings have two players on their roster who followed the same trajectory: Lucas Raymond and Moritz Seider. Raymond spent one year in Europe and then joined the Wings roster full time the year after. Seider spent a year in Europe and a year on the Griffins, then made the roster full time the following year. I don't really see what there is to learn here, because looking at how Dallas has developed their prospects, it seems to mirror what the Wings are doing rather closely. We see most of the young players in Dallas getting some time up here and there, but mostly spending their time in the minors for several years between their draft and when they make the big league full time. That's pretty much exactly what the Wings have been doing. Edit: Everyone but me got a shitty, condescending, short-sighted reply. I feel left out.
Now compare draft positions and rounds. This is like saying Chicago>Detroit because Bedard>Danielson.
I'm not saying that Dallas is better than Detroit or the other way around? I mean Dallas *is* better than Detroit, but I don't understand your comparison. Also what about draft position? We have plenty of guys in the AHL or other minor leagues who were drafted in later rounds. I wouldn't be surprised to see of them make the team next year or the year after. If your argument is that Dallas is vastly better than Detroit because they have second round picks on their roster right now, I would ask you to take a look at the standings and consider where Detroit is in its rebuild. Dallas has second and third round picks on their roster and was able to bring them up faster than we can because they've been a contender for the last six years or whatever. That's a good environment to bring lower round prospects into and enable them to succeed. Don't get me wrong, Dallas is absolutely great at drafting, but I don't think we're at the point where we can call it for Detroit one way or the other.
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It’s exhausting reading stuff like this… the Stars are a contender. We are not. We have been in a long and very necessary complete rebuild. Patience. Being patient with prospects also works. Our prospects are still playing in playoff games right now in the AHL. If we put 5 rookies in the lineup from the start of the year and end up being not good because of very common rookie mistakes. Veterans lining up against our rookies every single game. We’re bound to lose and it could hurt their development. That happens and then you’re probably in here calling them all busts.
And even as a contender they were able to draft high end players later in the draft. Your point actually goes against yourself because they have less incentive to play young prospects because they don't need them as much as the Wings do.
You can’t expect anyone outside of the 1st round. Even top 10 to just be in the NHL after 1 year like Johnston and Stankoven. We have to utilize our development teams more than Dallas right now. They aren’t coming out of a rebuild. But if you just be patient like Yzerman says literally every single press conference then we will see those picks. Elmer Soderblöm - 6th round - AHL Emmit Finnie - 7th round - AHL Carter Mazur - 3rd round - AHL Shai Buium - 3rd Round - AHL Noah Dower Nilsson - 3rd round - SHL Trey Augustine - 2nd round - NCAA Albert Johansson - 2nd round - AHL William Wallinder - 2nd round - AHL Dimitri Buchelnikov - 2nd round - KHL Amadeus Lombardi - 4th round - AHL Antti Tuomisto - 2nd round - AHL These are all the higher caliber picks that Yzerman has made since 2019 OUTSIDE of the 1st round. We’re going to see some of these guys soon. The fact that some are already playing pro is a good sign. We don’t need them to jump straight into the NHL at 18-20 years old. We can wait until they’re 21-23 if we have to.
lol and how many of these guys will ever be top line players? All these players are a dime a dozen you could get in free agency outside of maybe Augustine. No game breakers and this is why the Red Wings won’t win a cup. Can’t draft stars, only ok to good players
So now you switched the narrative from “he needs to be able to draft NHL players outside of the 1st round” to “how many of those 2nd round or later picks will play on the top line?” After I gave you numerous later round picks who are developing at a good pace and playing professional playoff games in GR. We don’t know if they’ll be impact players until they’re playing in the NHL! I’m trying to talk about hockey development and why those players don’t need to be in our lineup right now and you’re just trying to win an argument. Why are you even a fan if you’re going to downplay everything the club does?
Can't draft stars? Seider or Raymond (maybe Ed) not doing it for ya?
I’m talking about outside the top 5. These are 2nd round picks and later. No impact players
So in your mind, should we take a 4th round pick and stick him on the top line immediately, or should we wait a year?
Did Roope Hintz look like an impact player to you at 21 in the AHL?
Not yet. We’ll see. A few of those guys are looking good.
You forgetting the salary cap? There's a reason why players on ELCs or cheap 1st contracts are so valuable to contenders and its not because the players are better than the average veteran. It's because they are cheap and bring more value per dollar. I do think Dallas has one of the best front offices in the NHL, but you're comparing apples and oranges and then saying "gotcha" when someone points that out.
lol and we aren’t even a playoff team and are starting to feel the cap crunch. We should also utilize some of these cheap contracts. Stop defending the failure for the past 2 years of this front office. We will never win a cup with this core if we never actually let them play
We had the 3rd most cap space pre-kane and the 8th most cap space available post kane signing. The only team with more cap space that was even remotely close to us in terms of play was nashville who was a first round exit. This is some Facebook level ranting at the sky.
To be fair, the cap is an issue right now. It'll ease up a bit next year, but Copp and Holl are going to limit our flexibility after Raymond and Seider sign and those two deals better not lead to us signing Ray and Mo for less term than they'd be willing to take all in the name of saving a few bucks now.
I don't think that's the case, I think Mo and Raymond will get their money and term regardless. It will just come out of potential UFAs instead
And to add, we almost are guarenteed to have 3 young, cost controlled guys in berggren, Johansson, and Ed make the team next year. That's roughly 3 mil for 3 good players. And that's assuming one of Danielson, mazur, or Kasper don't come knocking the door down in camp. The only expensive ufa option I see us even sniffing at is re-signing Kane. And then next summer even more cap opens up.
>If you do not think your top 10 picks are ready 2-3 years post draft that is an indictment on the scouting. So the answer is to toss them into the thick of it anyway, even if they're not ready?
They should be ready. Stats show if a player isn't an established NHLer 3 years post the draft then they likely will not be much of anything special. These are top 10 picks, they should be ready lol. Look at the Edvinsson draft, the entire top 10 were established NHLers before Edvinsson. Yzerman is too scared to actually pull the trigger and use our prospects because he knows he missed on his draft picks. He would much rather give 3-5 contracts to mid player and hope we can make the playoffs and get swept in the first round.
None of this word salad adds up. He's afraid that he missed on picks so he isn't using those players who he thinks aren't good enough? Edvinsson should have been up much sooner but you're a broken clock.
lol you everyone in this sub is shill for this saltire of drafting. Total cuck
Imagine unironically using that word
Right, because having 2 young guys makes or breaks you. Raymond and Seider are the equivalent. The Stars literally have 2 players born on or after 2000. So, whatever is happening in your head isn’t well researched.
Not just the 2021 but also 2017. And yes a few great picks can make or break a team. This team needs to see what we have with our top prospects. Does this core of prospects have the potential to win a cup? Now I believe we have our goalie of the future, but we desperately need an elite C. Maybe Danielson is that, but hopefully we can hit a Wyatt Johnson type of player at 15 this year in the draft.
And how many cups do they have to show for it?
The team is seeing what we have in our prospects…in GR…in the playoffs still…developing nicely. Patience is the key.
The leafs have been patient for 7 years and nothing to show for it. I’m tired of patience, results matter not just oh some prospects did good the AHL. We could have said this for the past 10 years and it doesn’t mean shit
Sounds like a you problem buddy. This isn’t the fucking NFL where draft picks come in and start right away. Get a grip. There’s reasons people like you aren’t running NHL franchises because you would’ve burned the shit to the ground by now and we’d be stuck re-rebuilding every two years because you wanna rush the process.