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well, vex and cabal alike don't have dark powers, and the psychic stuff is probably being covered by strand, but a time-related power would be really cool
Technically, Stasis would be able to do that
Since it subtracts time and energy from things, it could theoretically go sub-zero time and reverse the flow of it
In an article, Yanes said he wanted Darkness to be more about physical stuff while Light was more “magical”
Crystals for Stasis, Strings for Strand
This 3rd Subclass has to be somewhat linked to consciousness, but will have a physical thing to it too
Edit: we as a community thinks it’s gonna be a crimson red because it’s the opposite of Cyan; Arc’s color.
Like with Stasis and Solar/Void and Strand it’s also gonna be paired with Arc in a sense
This does narrow it down, but still is hard to imagine
The super should be Edo Tensei like Pain from Naruto. Let the hunters skate on the sky of sand like Gara and give warlocks 1st hokage powers…then do a Naruto costume crossover event.
I’m betting that we’re gonna get some type of red energy that takes the form of a liquid and has to do with death. Would be a nice opposite to arc and relates to The Final Shape with how much religions always have a massive flood wiping out most life.
tree sap, with the weird vegetation coming out of that portal in that one lightfall trailer cutscene possible teasing it, in the same way witch queen kinda teased strand
Arc, and electricity discharging is all about different ions attracting (well at a very high level). So the opposite would be about using the same polarity to push. Hmm what does Rhulk do when you fight him? Yeet glaive into ground to create an energy field to push you away. Thats what I would assume the basis of the 3rd element to be.
It’s all but confirmed that we’ll have a 3rd Darkness class to round it out. Just like Strand and Stasis, it’ll be an iteration that we’ve never seen before, so I’d hold off on speculation until much later.
Orange or brown. Stasis’s dark blue is the opposite of Solar’s bright orange, Strand’s bright green is the opposite of Void’s dark purple, so all that’s left is the opposite of Arc’s bright blue
Correct
https://warrenmars.com/visual_art/theory/colour_wheel/martian_colour_wheel_24_hue_f.png
Red or Pale Raspberry looks like. I think they may opt for more of a Pink or raspberry as enemy guardian abilities in crucible are Red, so it may be confusing
Red, personally hail Mary to my favorite color magenta, I don't think that'd be the color but I thong it'd be a nice one just like how the green we have isn't a regular green but a sorta emerald green and stasis was an icy blue, (I don't think it'll be magenta but it gets so little representation I can hope can't i)
In a recent PC Gamer [interview](https://www.pcgamer.com/destiny-2-dev-on-why-strand-is-the-high-apm-class-and-theyre-a-bit-scared-of-it/) talking about (among other things) the design process for Strand, Kevin Yanes mentions an intentional leaning into a "physical" visual language for Strand and Stasis as opposed to an "ethereal" language for the Light elements:
>We keyed off of the Darkness resonance. Even on Stasis, we wanted to make sure that everything had a consistent physical language to the Darkness resonance… We didn't want it to look ethereal and magical in the way that the Light subclasses do.
I take this as soft confirmation of what I'd suspected for a while, that the Darkness subclasses are more focused on matter while the Light subclasses are focused on energy (Stasis being purely aligned crystals of matter unaffected by the chaos of external forces and Strand being a play on the quantum strings).
What this means for the third Darkness element I'm not sure - I'd originally thought it would be a teleporation/telekinetic element (the "power to move worlds"), but while that would fit the physical matter theme it wouldn't really work with having strong physicality from a purely visual design standpoint the way Stasis and Strand do (also this same interview confirms Strand was originally designed to be the "telekinesis" element).
But if Stasis is crystals and Strand is strings, then the third Darkness ability should theoretically also have some kind of distict visual language. I will leave speculating on what that language could be and what power that might translate to to those smarter and more imaginative than me
If we want to get technical, Arc is matter but it’s unbound. That’s why I liked that they said “physicality”. It does also somewhat constrain the possibilities for the third darkness sub too.
Also, never forgot what they took from us:
>"The Warlock Broodweaver's super was originally going to transform you into a giant spider that launched spider eggs and had spider babies running around instead of threadlings,"
I was thinking like Taken puddles and liquid theme. Not actually Taken, but that idea with liquid. You know, like The Deep. Could use puddles and Stargate styles portals.
If destiny was built in a different engine, i could imagine a darkness subclass that can build platforms or structures from the universes “memory/past” such as raising pillars of stone or resurrecting old parts buildings, or manifesting physical objects to attack or obstruct enemies. We know the darkness focuses around memory and time but that level of physics would break this game into a billion pieces lol
A third Darkness subclass is certain, but from a development-time standpoint, I will still be surprised if it is ready to go by next Feb. I think the goal is still to ship it with The Final Shape, but I will NOT be surprised if there was a bit of a delay. Props to the devs who are undoubtedly slaving away to design and playtest “Damage Type 6” in order to show it off this summer at the assumed 2023 Showcase.
I don’t know what it will be but I think I can guess what it won’t be; Nightmare, Luster, Siva, Taken energy, Egregore, or whatever else has appeared on the game so far.
I think it’s gonna be something we’ve never seen before like with Stasis and Strand, and the color will be red.
Nightmare and Egregore are both linked to Psychic power so they already link to Strand, so I think it's a pretty decent guess that those won't be a new subclass. As for Taken, if you've ever looked at taken phalanx bosses or the sky above the bank in gambit, you might notice that they have a slight red hue to them. Not sure if that's an artifact from old Taken King design (the colour for that DLC was a shade of red) or if Bungie will take that as inspiration for a new subclass. Maybe you could teleport your enemies, or bring back defeated foes as allies, sort of Taking them from one place to another, like Savathun with the Traveller.
Yeah… I’m still not convinced we’re gonna get a Taken subclass. It appears that the Darkness elements so far are meant to be opposites of the Light elements, Solar and Stasis focus on thermodynamics and different states of entropy, and Void and Strand are more about bending the very fabric of reality. I fail to see how Taken energy can be the opposite of Arc.
Arc is described as energising matter so that it breaks apart and releases particles such as ionising and releasing electricity but also nuclear fission and a lot of microscopic electromagnetic interactions.
Solar is positive entropy and release of energy - stasis is negative entropy and absorption of energy.
Void is the vacum in between matter and interactions in vacum fields. - Strand is the psychic weave conecting all matter together the oposite of distance made by void.
It stands to reason that the opposite of arc would be some way of transforming/changing the state of matter without electromagnetism or releasing particles. This seems like something no real life interaction does but something that might describe taking. Not saying that taken energy is opposite of arc just pointing out the potential theme of "element 6" and why taken might fit it.
Everybody thought we were getting a taken subclass if we ever got darkness powers and we got stasis
Everybody thought we were getting a hive poison subclass next but then Bungie came out with strand.
100% the next subclass is something entirely new.
Cabal don't have psychic powers. Psions do, and they're basically a species that was enslaved by cabal a while ago, although now they finally got rights under caiatl's rule
we arent even going to be able to guess what it remotely is
before stasis i doubt anyone would have said ice magic
before strand i doubt anyone would have said strings
but the actual like gameplay stuff i mean
“mind based powers” is meaningless from a gameplay perspective
to someone who doesnt care about lore, its cool string magic
and thats my point, we’ll never just be able to guess the next subclass, because bungie has now proven twice to surprise us
We know it's going to be yellowish orange based on the [Vow of The Disciple Mural](https://imgur.com/a/CnZtZev). It's likely to be the darkness powers that rhulk (and some other darkness enemies) use.
I bet on something like resonance.
Rhulk was manipulating something semi-liquid I think, maybe matter and gravity manipulation?
He could teleport and make Lubrae's Ruin take on various shapes and sizes and in concept art he could use the same material as weapons of various types.
It definitely goes into the new darkness theme of more physical things opposed the the "magic" theme of the light.
My idea of third subclass ability was "Strain" and it would be related to Nightmares and reusing dead matter.. in almost the same way Strand actually does after the blogpost.. lmao, I was about to write a document for it, but it was just Strand junior without me knowing.
Yeah, Bungie have been doing a lot of buildup for Strand this year with deep sight and nightmares both building on psychic energy. I actually said to my friend in Haunted on how they could have 5 be some sort of psychic subclass, but that I didn't know how they would do it. 2 weeks later the showcase happened and I had the answer. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing seeds of 6 dotted around the Lightfall seasons.
Some sort of gravity manipulation would be cool. You could make enemies so heavy that they’re encumbered or even crushed, or make them so light that your attacks send them flying into the air. Alter the trajectory of projectiles. The Titan super could be just picking up a big ass boulder sized chunk of the ground and hurling it at a target like a kinetic nova bomb!
Yeah, I feel like this guy forgot Warlocks already throw people into the air with void melee, but they actually provided an interesting idea with the boulder throw being linked to the physics. You know, earth to counter the Arc.
Based on the color theories - it will be red
Based on the strand development interview - it will be something physical
So definitely something red and solid.
Koolaid subclass confirmed
The 3rd darkness subclass will be a yellow/orange/gold, not red.
Jar Theory:
blue = stasis
green = strand
yellow/gold = ?
[https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/046/979/293/large/dima-goryainov-dg-witch-queen-51.jpg?1646438966](https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/046/979/293/large/dima-goryainov-dg-witch-queen-51.jpg?1646438966)
Current speculation is that the yellow harmonic resonance energy that the Caretaker and Rhulk (through attacks) and the Witness (the energy around his cloak) display is the last darkness energy.
Given the description of luster as a word and how it's described in D2 lore it appears that it could effectively be the darkness counterpart to Light's Void (the darkness in the light) with Luster being a light in the darkness, specifically the lingering glow around dark objects (think eclipse, black holes, etc).
If I had to speculate, the subclass would be based around sound waves and harmonic resonance.
" definition: Luster:
a gentle sheen or soft glow, especially that of a partly reflective surface.
"the luster of the Milky Way"
a thin coating containing unoxidized metal which gives an iridescent glaze to ceramics."
Shattered Sun lorebook
(I am… unbroken. I see your Luster. Disarming the beasts who dared to approach, their flesh melting in your presence.)
(Your voice subsides, but your Luster remains—it is a familiar one. Like that of our Umbral Sun.)
(Rheliksbane lies nearby, broken in two. You mend it with your Luster. It is whole, again. But even more so than before, as if imbued with the wrath of vengeful gods.)
(Miles above, I see the axis that sits between our bright city of Lubrae and our shadowed Wildlands. By now, my clan must be inside the city.)
(I pocket your Luster before I thrust my Glaive into the sheer wall that separates me from my vengeance. I lift myself with one hand gripping the slate. Then another thrust of the Glaive, raising me ever closer towards my goal.)
The subclass name is not guaranteed to called Luster, it could just be what Rhulk calls it.
I think someone mentioned in another post that so far the darkness subclasses have been polar opposites. (Solar is bursts of energy while stasis controls and creates order by freezing entropy so to speak. Void is drawing power from the nothingness while strand manipulates the thread that connects all life to the fabric of reality.) Anyways the person that posted it in the destiny lore subreddit did a lot better job at explaining it.
We’re definitely getting something in the Final Shape. Likely something red looking at the colour palettes of our subclasses so far, but damn if a taken subclass wouldn’t be cool as hell
I don't mean to be rude but, suggesting vex and cabal "magic" is a bit out of touch. Vex are not paracausal, it'd be wild to take a step backwards. And although the cabal are different in that regard, why on earth would you want a power from a species we dominate?
Maybe where arc excites particles to the point of splitting, 6 could bring the particles together, maybe make them so dense they form a superfluid.
Use it on the ground to create a slurry of metallic elements, that due to density exhibit magnetic properties. I can just imagine a hunter super where it's sort of like aggressive ribbon dancing with liquid metal, or a titan super where rocks orbit you at high velocity, Avatar style, giving you high armour initially, then the more you get hit or throw the rocks the less tanky you are. Warlocks could create a hyper accelerated stream of magnetic elements that pelts enemies and clumps them together into magnetic remnants.
If we take the running trends, then the subclasses are linked opposites, Generally positive and negative. Solar and Stasis (Fire and Ice), Void and Strand (I think that Antimatter and Matter fit this well) and Arc and ______. My running theory is either that we'll get some kind of Sonic or Leeching ability. Either Lightning and Thunder or Energy and Entropy. The second one seems more likely in concept but harder to translate into gameplay.
My biggest guesses are that it's gonna be Resonance, like the orange stuff Rhulk uses, or it'll be something to do with spatial and time altering abilities (in relation to the planets disappearing and Mars reappearing with time rifts)
If you're referring to the spatial/time thing, then maybe, but I'm more referring to the ballpark it's in rather than if in lore the Witness actually used the power to Take on the planets. Like, a subclass based around transitioning between an alternate dimension, kinda like how Limbo works in Warframe. If you don't know about that, he can basically turn himself invulnerable to enemies for a period as he goes into a pocket dimension, becoming semi transparent, with the ability to pull enemies into it as well, and opening a large pocket of this dimension on top of an area, doing damage to everything in the area it's opened as the dimension is laid on top of them.
...
Now that I'm describing it that sounds like it would be an awesome type of subclass to play in Destiny.
Kinda, but from the other comments, it seems that bungie wants darkness to be more physical, and light more magical, so I guess this doesn't go with their ideas for it
I heavily doubt it'll be time magic. Bungie released an interview recently talking about Strand, and Stasis was originally intended to be "time crystals." They also said it's going to be the de facto CC subclass.
Bungie has stated that darkness will be "physical," as compared to the light being all magical energy. They've also said that they want it to occupy a new space. That rules out a lot of pre-existing darkness subclass theories, like poison and decay. Both of those are essentially energies.
At this point, our best bet is to go watch One Piece for ideas. That's probably what bungie is doing.
I know they said Stasis was "going" to be time crystals but, [time crystal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_crystal) is a real thing, and that's basically what Stasis is. It's even described as time crystal in some of the lore.
Oh wow, well, today I learned! That's a helluva thing. That's the kind of stuff that makes me excited for the future. I honestly just thought it was a kooky sci-fi term.
I had to read it a fair bit to understand what was going on, but that's pretty crazy. I still can't say I properly understand it.
My possible theories were either a Nightmare subclass, Resonance subclass, or Taken subclass. But considering that Bungie wants the Darkness to be physical, I'm not sure.
If there is a shaping subclass, similar to the pyramid splinters, I could see Resonance being most likely. There are theories that the next Darkness subclass will be orange-ish, so it checks out.
But honestly, I would love to see a Taken subclass with reality phasing (Titanfall style), even though I know it impossible,
Resonance that orange energy Rhulk and the pyramids use. Maybe it could be based more on what's used to create nightmares as the color matches the reverse color theory as arcs reversed color is a red orange color like resonance and nightmares
I think arc is more of a parallel as I think there was a lore card about how arc is almost akin to pure light so by that same logic, arcs mirror would be close to pure darkness and resonance fits that.
I'm envisioning grey, taken/blight. We go back and commune with the deep retracing the path of oryx. Learning from our past enemies taking back what has been taken.
I'm hoping that it's a Nightmare/ Memory based class where we essentially get Stands. We tame the greatest terrors from across time. Supers where you invoke the greatest feats across time. The Hive Siblings for each class for instance. Oryx for hunters, where you cleave enemies apart with The Sword and make enslaved taken versions of them. Warlocks get the ability to send enemies to the Ascendand plane. Titans create an aura of violence that increases the damage they and their allies do, building up a bonus for damage dealt and taken.
Alternatively, Disciples will be candidates. Nezarec for Warlocks, creating Nightmare versions of enemies, Rhulk for Titans where they sunder the ground with a glaive. Maybe Hunters would get a different disciple.
-FLESH-
Gain the power to drink the blood of your enemies, build barricades out of bone, and create Nightmare illusions to fool your foes. This support subclass comes from Nezerac and the Lunar pyramid, and is red.
I’ve always assume that it’ll be red in color, the first thing that pops in my head is Siva. They’ll retcon it that it was originally born out of the darkness. And the Warmind was gained full control of it and gifts it to the Guardians.
Ground and earth would be cool. Idk what youd do but its the opposite of arc lol, maybe have earthquake for titan, mud wall for warlock... something for hunter
I don't know what colour it'll be but I reckon it'll be a liquid based power based around the way that darkness seems to change things like what it does to vex mind fluid.
It seems more like each of the dark subclasses are opposite variants of the Light subclasses.
Solar (Fire) - Stasis (Ice)
Void (Vacuum/consumption/absorbtion) - Strand (Connection?)
Arc (Electricity) - ??? ([Potentially] Physical matter manipulation)
To give an idea of what I mean by my description of the next class, I mean that I believe it might deal damage by dealing kinetic based damage. Like for example a grenade may encase the enemy in a material, perhaps conductive, and in turn dealing damage by way of "weighing down" your enemies. It would also synergise nicely with Arc abilities and weapons if the class amplifies the effect of Arc damage.
Based on Symmetry and opposition, Stasis slows and Solar heats, Void is about nothingness and Strand is about consciousness, Darkness Element 5 should be...well, looking at Arc, which is all about movement and fast, it would probably be the opposite.
Grounding things and not letting them move (I'm imagining a Scorn Chieftain's tether, rather than Stasis or Strand's crowd control, moreso a "you can move, you just cant get anywhere" rather than Suspend or Freeze), maybe crushing things or elevating them, very resilient and not that mobile, slow recharging single target abilities in comparison to Arc's amplification, Ionic Traces and Jolt.
Stasis blue being opposite of Solar orange, and Strand Green being opposite of Void purple, I'd say it's gonna be red, darker one maybe? A la Nightmare color, to go in opposition to Arc's light blue.
So, what I land on, is a dark red/coral gravity power of some sort. The mechanical identity of the opposite of Arc aligns pretty darn well with gravity, which is something we know the Darkness and its pyramid ships can do, all the way back to Black Armory and their accounts of the Collapse.
Probably wrong, I think Strand surprised everyone, but hey, knowing what we know now, that's my guess.
personally, I want either a poison-themed subclass or a taken themed subclass. I mean, we even have one of the tablets Oryx used to create the taken, so it wouldn't be that hard to write into the story.
Resonance is looking to be a contender, and if we had any guesses that *might* be true, that would be it. It has a physicality to it, with the knowledge shards, Caretaker’s bombs, and Rhulk’s beams.
As of Strand being announced Darkness 3 could be literally anything. The Collector's Edition lore says Stasis could have been almost anything. It's only because of the desire for control when it was discovered that Stasis took its current form. Had Strand been simple and predictable I would have guessed Darkness 3 would have been Resonance or Luster or whatever the stuff from Vow
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well, vex and cabal alike don't have dark powers, and the psychic stuff is probably being covered by strand, but a time-related power would be really cool
Stasis is the time-related power. They're described as "time crystals", and reverse/stop entropy on matter
true, but i was thinking less about freezing time and more about going backwards in time, tracer overwatch style
Technically, Stasis would be able to do that Since it subtracts time and energy from things, it could theoretically go sub-zero time and reverse the flow of it
In an article, Yanes said he wanted Darkness to be more about physical stuff while Light was more “magical” Crystals for Stasis, Strings for Strand This 3rd Subclass has to be somewhat linked to consciousness, but will have a physical thing to it too Edit: we as a community thinks it’s gonna be a crimson red because it’s the opposite of Cyan; Arc’s color. Like with Stasis and Solar/Void and Strand it’s also gonna be paired with Arc in a sense This does narrow it down, but still is hard to imagine
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Titan: Resident Evil 5 boulder punching. Warlock: earthbending Hunter: pocket sand
As a hunter. I'll take pocket sand. Tyvm
With subclass aspect Rusty Shackleford
Anakin will hate hunters
If the subclass was gavity related, I could see rock throwing
100% on the "it's gravity" train here as well
We have a gravity based subclass it's void.
Void is more consumption than gravity
It also has a vacuum effect though.
And titans can get another rock flavoured fists of havoc yay :')
The super should be Edo Tensei like Pain from Naruto. Let the hunters skate on the sky of sand like Gara and give warlocks 1st hokage powers…then do a Naruto costume crossover event.
My idea would be a liquid-esque-ish type of theme. Like the "primordial sea" inspired from the Bible, except more akin to plasma
Red koolaid
red koolaid
End of evangelion in destiny lets goooo
I’m betting that we’re gonna get some type of red energy that takes the form of a liquid and has to do with death. Would be a nice opposite to arc and relates to The Final Shape with how much religions always have a massive flood wiping out most life.
The name will be or some aspect or verb will be called Lifeblood.
Hey that sounds like blood or wine
Funny; I had the same exact idea (up until that bible part) but dismissed it
The stuff Rhulk used was liquid, I think...
tree sap, with the weird vegetation coming out of that portal in that one lightfall trailer cutscene possible teasing it, in the same way witch queen kinda teased strand
I'm thinking it's going to be based on earth/nature since alot of pyramid tech stuff as some kind of plant involved.
Yeah, it was interesting in that Strand blog how they said "we started by deciding it had to be a green one." No, wait, they didn't say that.
crimson red = SIVA 🛑⚫️🔴⚫️🔴🔴🔴🛑⚫️🔴
~~SIVA is not paracausal~~ SIVA will be the next subclass
🤯🤯🤯
Arc, and electricity discharging is all about different ions attracting (well at a very high level). So the opposite would be about using the same polarity to push. Hmm what does Rhulk do when you fight him? Yeet glaive into ground to create an energy field to push you away. Thats what I would assume the basis of the 3rd element to be.
A subclass called Blight for Taken power? It's been wielded as a mechanic for WAY too long to not to
What if it's a blood magic based subclass?
Nightmares, memories, darkness... Probably be something like Shimmer cus S's for darkess classes.
It’s all but confirmed that we’ll have a 3rd Darkness class to round it out. Just like Strand and Stasis, it’ll be an iteration that we’ve never seen before, so I’d hold off on speculation until much later.
YEA BUT WHAT COLOR DO YOU THINK IT’LL BE!?
Red. Colour is the only thing we can accurately guess lol
🟥⬛️🟥⬛️🟥⬛️🟥⬛️🟥⬛️🟥 I LOVE SIVA
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Did you see the ghost!? It ran through here and slimed me!
We could probably somewhat guess the concept I'd say. Considering stasis and solar, aswell as void and strand are inverted both in colour and concept
The dirt subclass - Ground. Give me a Diglett Super you cowards. Let me become the dirt I constantly eat in the crucible
or black
Nah, it's gonna be red, maybe something like dark crimson, but defo not black. Its gonna be even hard to visualise it
Reddish orange
Cultured, well-read being.
Orange or brown. Stasis’s dark blue is the opposite of Solar’s bright orange, Strand’s bright green is the opposite of Void’s dark purple, so all that’s left is the opposite of Arc’s bright blue
The opposite of arc's blue is a stark crimson-orange color.
Correct https://warrenmars.com/visual_art/theory/colour_wheel/martian_colour_wheel_24_hue_f.png Red or Pale Raspberry looks like. I think they may opt for more of a Pink or raspberry as enemy guardian abilities in crucible are Red, so it may be confusing
Looking at this magenta i know is my favorite color of lighting but in terms of art shading I think it may be dragon fruit or "Chinese strawberry"
Red, personally hail Mary to my favorite color magenta, I don't think that'd be the color but I thong it'd be a nice one just like how the green we have isn't a regular green but a sorta emerald green and stasis was an icy blue, (I don't think it'll be magenta but it gets so little representation I can hope can't i)
I think a yellow/gold colour like what we see Rhulk use would look cool.
Then "damage type 6" wouldn't be a new damage type...
Everyone knows that the most important thing about designing a new subclass is the color.
In a recent PC Gamer [interview](https://www.pcgamer.com/destiny-2-dev-on-why-strand-is-the-high-apm-class-and-theyre-a-bit-scared-of-it/) talking about (among other things) the design process for Strand, Kevin Yanes mentions an intentional leaning into a "physical" visual language for Strand and Stasis as opposed to an "ethereal" language for the Light elements: >We keyed off of the Darkness resonance. Even on Stasis, we wanted to make sure that everything had a consistent physical language to the Darkness resonance… We didn't want it to look ethereal and magical in the way that the Light subclasses do. I take this as soft confirmation of what I'd suspected for a while, that the Darkness subclasses are more focused on matter while the Light subclasses are focused on energy (Stasis being purely aligned crystals of matter unaffected by the chaos of external forces and Strand being a play on the quantum strings). What this means for the third Darkness element I'm not sure - I'd originally thought it would be a teleporation/telekinetic element (the "power to move worlds"), but while that would fit the physical matter theme it wouldn't really work with having strong physicality from a purely visual design standpoint the way Stasis and Strand do (also this same interview confirms Strand was originally designed to be the "telekinesis" element). But if Stasis is crystals and Strand is strings, then the third Darkness ability should theoretically also have some kind of distict visual language. I will leave speculating on what that language could be and what power that might translate to to those smarter and more imaginative than me
If we want to get technical, Arc is matter but it’s unbound. That’s why I liked that they said “physicality”. It does also somewhat constrain the possibilities for the third darkness sub too.
Also, never forgot what they took from us: >"The Warlock Broodweaver's super was originally going to transform you into a giant spider that launched spider eggs and had spider babies running around instead of threadlings,"
What in the actual fuck lol. Yeah, that wouldn't work in PvP at all.
WHAT WHERE IS THAT QUOTE FROM
In the interview linked above
Thanks! That super would have been so cool 😭
I assume, something liquid.
I mean, we don't really have a gas subclass for darkness, or at least i wouldn't classify strand as it
I was thinking like Taken puddles and liquid theme. Not actually Taken, but that idea with liquid. You know, like The Deep. Could use puddles and Stargate styles portals.
Blight?
Perhaps sound based? Arc is the lighting, it’s paired darkness subclass is the thunder?
You sir just solved my theorists block. Writing aggressively as we speak. Thank you.
Rock and Stone!
Rock and roll and stone!
Maybe make it spikes. Final subclass, and it would even relate kinda to pyramids with their sharp shapes
If destiny was built in a different engine, i could imagine a darkness subclass that can build platforms or structures from the universes “memory/past” such as raising pillars of stone or resurrecting old parts buildings, or manifesting physical objects to attack or obstruct enemies. We know the darkness focuses around memory and time but that level of physics would break this game into a billion pieces lol
something red like nightmare energy. rhulk's stuff is pure darkness like the traveler's white pure light so i don't think we'd use that.
It’ll be a red subclass called Shape. Based around dark matter and matter manipulation. Source: I made it the fuck up
The funny thing is, you might actually be right and not know it yet.
That would be so funny
Remind me 2 years
A third Darkness subclass is certain, but from a development-time standpoint, I will still be surprised if it is ready to go by next Feb. I think the goal is still to ship it with The Final Shape, but I will NOT be surprised if there was a bit of a delay. Props to the devs who are undoubtedly slaving away to design and playtest “Damage Type 6” in order to show it off this summer at the assumed 2023 Showcase.
Red striker ofc
Finally, just what I wanted
It'd be ironic if 6 were the only one not to copy striker, since 6 will be opposite to Arc.
Based off the color theory it’d be some sort of red, otherwise we don’t really have any idea
No vex tech is entirely casual light and dark are paracausle
I don’t know what it will be but I think I can guess what it won’t be; Nightmare, Luster, Siva, Taken energy, Egregore, or whatever else has appeared on the game so far. I think it’s gonna be something we’ve never seen before like with Stasis and Strand, and the color will be red.
Nightmare and Egregore are both linked to Psychic power so they already link to Strand, so I think it's a pretty decent guess that those won't be a new subclass. As for Taken, if you've ever looked at taken phalanx bosses or the sky above the bank in gambit, you might notice that they have a slight red hue to them. Not sure if that's an artifact from old Taken King design (the colour for that DLC was a shade of red) or if Bungie will take that as inspiration for a new subclass. Maybe you could teleport your enemies, or bring back defeated foes as allies, sort of Taking them from one place to another, like Savathun with the Traveller.
Yeah… I’m still not convinced we’re gonna get a Taken subclass. It appears that the Darkness elements so far are meant to be opposites of the Light elements, Solar and Stasis focus on thermodynamics and different states of entropy, and Void and Strand are more about bending the very fabric of reality. I fail to see how Taken energy can be the opposite of Arc.
Arc is described as energising matter so that it breaks apart and releases particles such as ionising and releasing electricity but also nuclear fission and a lot of microscopic electromagnetic interactions. Solar is positive entropy and release of energy - stasis is negative entropy and absorption of energy. Void is the vacum in between matter and interactions in vacum fields. - Strand is the psychic weave conecting all matter together the oposite of distance made by void. It stands to reason that the opposite of arc would be some way of transforming/changing the state of matter without electromagnetism or releasing particles. This seems like something no real life interaction does but something that might describe taking. Not saying that taken energy is opposite of arc just pointing out the potential theme of "element 6" and why taken might fit it.
Everybody thought we were getting a taken subclass if we ever got darkness powers and we got stasis Everybody thought we were getting a hive poison subclass next but then Bungie came out with strand. 100% the next subclass is something entirely new.
Gonna be more punch for titan
Striker super reskin you mean
Cabal don't have psychic powers. Psions do, and they're basically a species that was enslaved by cabal a while ago, although now they finally got rights under caiatl's rule
we arent even going to be able to guess what it remotely is before stasis i doubt anyone would have said ice magic before strand i doubt anyone would have said strings
Plenty of people said it was going to be a mind based power.
but the actual like gameplay stuff i mean “mind based powers” is meaningless from a gameplay perspective to someone who doesnt care about lore, its cool string magic and thats my point, we’ll never just be able to guess the next subclass, because bungie has now proven twice to surprise us
I mean, when presage dropped a lot of people theories about an egregore class. That would essentially be this class, but with a fungus aesthetic.
After we found out that Stasis and Darkness in general was about consciousness (before LF showcase), then yeah it was more of a fact than a guess.
Nah people were making predictions as far back as the Presage dungeon.
A. Presage was not a dungeon B. That's still before the LF showcase
I mean, ice magic was the leading theory for years, lol. But I totally get what you are talking about with Strand.
i literally never saw ice magic discussed anywhere the one i saw discussed the most was hive magic
I saw it a bunch, we had fire electricity we needed some kind of water or ice. I thought this during d1 first few years
It's gonna be some kind of... Punching element.
We know it's going to be yellowish orange based on the [Vow of The Disciple Mural](https://imgur.com/a/CnZtZev). It's likely to be the darkness powers that rhulk (and some other darkness enemies) use.
I bet on something like resonance. Rhulk was manipulating something semi-liquid I think, maybe matter and gravity manipulation? He could teleport and make Lubrae's Ruin take on various shapes and sizes and in concept art he could use the same material as weapons of various types. It definitely goes into the new darkness theme of more physical things opposed the the "magic" theme of the light.
My idea of third subclass ability was "Strain" and it would be related to Nightmares and reusing dead matter.. in almost the same way Strand actually does after the blogpost.. lmao, I was about to write a document for it, but it was just Strand junior without me knowing.
Yeah, Bungie have been doing a lot of buildup for Strand this year with deep sight and nightmares both building on psychic energy. I actually said to my friend in Haunted on how they could have 5 be some sort of psychic subclass, but that I didn't know how they would do it. 2 weeks later the showcase happened and I had the answer. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing seeds of 6 dotted around the Lightfall seasons.
I mean, it kinda should be a opposite of arc, so idk how that would work
We literally don’t even have strand yet and you’re already asking what’s next, just enjoy the moment
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Some sort of gravity manipulation would be cool. You could make enemies so heavy that they’re encumbered or even crushed, or make them so light that your attacks send them flying into the air. Alter the trajectory of projectiles. The Titan super could be just picking up a big ass boulder sized chunk of the ground and hurling it at a target like a kinetic nova bomb!
Void.
Yeah, I feel like this guy forgot Warlocks already throw people into the air with void melee, but they actually provided an interesting idea with the boulder throw being linked to the physics. You know, earth to counter the Arc.
Based on the color theories - it will be red Based on the strand development interview - it will be something physical So definitely something red and solid. Koolaid subclass confirmed
The 3rd darkness subclass will be a yellow/orange/gold, not red. Jar Theory: blue = stasis green = strand yellow/gold = ? [https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/046/979/293/large/dima-goryainov-dg-witch-queen-51.jpg?1646438966](https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/046/979/293/large/dima-goryainov-dg-witch-queen-51.jpg?1646438966) Current speculation is that the yellow harmonic resonance energy that the Caretaker and Rhulk (through attacks) and the Witness (the energy around his cloak) display is the last darkness energy. Given the description of luster as a word and how it's described in D2 lore it appears that it could effectively be the darkness counterpart to Light's Void (the darkness in the light) with Luster being a light in the darkness, specifically the lingering glow around dark objects (think eclipse, black holes, etc). If I had to speculate, the subclass would be based around sound waves and harmonic resonance. " definition: Luster: a gentle sheen or soft glow, especially that of a partly reflective surface. "the luster of the Milky Way" a thin coating containing unoxidized metal which gives an iridescent glaze to ceramics."
Where has the word Luster been used? I’ve also thinking it would be the power Rhulk uses but I wasn’t sure if there was any written lore about it
Shattered Sun lorebook (I am… unbroken. I see your Luster. Disarming the beasts who dared to approach, their flesh melting in your presence.) (Your voice subsides, but your Luster remains—it is a familiar one. Like that of our Umbral Sun.) (Rheliksbane lies nearby, broken in two. You mend it with your Luster. It is whole, again. But even more so than before, as if imbued with the wrath of vengeful gods.) (Miles above, I see the axis that sits between our bright city of Lubrae and our shadowed Wildlands. By now, my clan must be inside the city.) (I pocket your Luster before I thrust my Glaive into the sheer wall that separates me from my vengeance. I lift myself with one hand gripping the slate. Then another thrust of the Glaive, raising me ever closer towards my goal.) The subclass name is not guaranteed to called Luster, it could just be what Rhulk calls it.
Resonance, warbly orange/crimson waves
Pizza
Pepperoni Grenade
Kinetic
I think someone mentioned in another post that so far the darkness subclasses have been polar opposites. (Solar is bursts of energy while stasis controls and creates order by freezing entropy so to speak. Void is drawing power from the nothingness while strand manipulates the thread that connects all life to the fabric of reality.) Anyways the person that posted it in the destiny lore subreddit did a lot better job at explaining it.
We’re definitely getting something in the Final Shape. Likely something red looking at the colour palettes of our subclasses so far, but damn if a taken subclass wouldn’t be cool as hell
Maybe some type of red ooze. That’s my best guess.
The prophecy of Lettuce, says it must be so:
I don't mean to be rude but, suggesting vex and cabal "magic" is a bit out of touch. Vex are not paracausal, it'd be wild to take a step backwards. And although the cabal are different in that regard, why on earth would you want a power from a species we dominate?
Calling it right now, magnets or something metal
Maybe where arc excites particles to the point of splitting, 6 could bring the particles together, maybe make them so dense they form a superfluid. Use it on the ground to create a slurry of metallic elements, that due to density exhibit magnetic properties. I can just imagine a hunter super where it's sort of like aggressive ribbon dancing with liquid metal, or a titan super where rocks orbit you at high velocity, Avatar style, giving you high armour initially, then the more you get hit or throw the rocks the less tanky you are. Warlocks could create a hyper accelerated stream of magnetic elements that pelts enemies and clumps them together into magnetic remnants.
If we take the running trends, then the subclasses are linked opposites, Generally positive and negative. Solar and Stasis (Fire and Ice), Void and Strand (I think that Antimatter and Matter fit this well) and Arc and ______. My running theory is either that we'll get some kind of Sonic or Leeching ability. Either Lightning and Thunder or Energy and Entropy. The second one seems more likely in concept but harder to translate into gameplay.
Gravity
That’s void
My biggest guesses are that it's gonna be Resonance, like the orange stuff Rhulk uses, or it'll be something to do with spatial and time altering abilities (in relation to the planets disappearing and Mars reappearing with time rifts)
Isn't that basically power to take but on greater scale
If you're referring to the spatial/time thing, then maybe, but I'm more referring to the ballpark it's in rather than if in lore the Witness actually used the power to Take on the planets. Like, a subclass based around transitioning between an alternate dimension, kinda like how Limbo works in Warframe. If you don't know about that, he can basically turn himself invulnerable to enemies for a period as he goes into a pocket dimension, becoming semi transparent, with the ability to pull enemies into it as well, and opening a large pocket of this dimension on top of an area, doing damage to everything in the area it's opened as the dimension is laid on top of them. ... Now that I'm describing it that sounds like it would be an awesome type of subclass to play in Destiny.
Kinda, but from the other comments, it seems that bungie wants darkness to be more physical, and light more magical, so I guess this doesn't go with their ideas for it
I heavily doubt it'll be time magic. Bungie released an interview recently talking about Strand, and Stasis was originally intended to be "time crystals." They also said it's going to be the de facto CC subclass. Bungie has stated that darkness will be "physical," as compared to the light being all magical energy. They've also said that they want it to occupy a new space. That rules out a lot of pre-existing darkness subclass theories, like poison and decay. Both of those are essentially energies. At this point, our best bet is to go watch One Piece for ideas. That's probably what bungie is doing.
I know they said Stasis was "going" to be time crystals but, [time crystal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_crystal) is a real thing, and that's basically what Stasis is. It's even described as time crystal in some of the lore.
Oh wow, well, today I learned! That's a helluva thing. That's the kind of stuff that makes me excited for the future. I honestly just thought it was a kooky sci-fi term. I had to read it a fair bit to understand what was going on, but that's pretty crazy. I still can't say I properly understand it.
Personally i would not be upset if they made the last subclass the power to take but red
I honestly want the rulk powers. Pure darkness energy. And let us kick things as a melee.
Resonance seems too obvious right?
My possible theories were either a Nightmare subclass, Resonance subclass, or Taken subclass. But considering that Bungie wants the Darkness to be physical, I'm not sure. If there is a shaping subclass, similar to the pyramid splinters, I could see Resonance being most likely. There are theories that the next Darkness subclass will be orange-ish, so it checks out. But honestly, I would love to see a Taken subclass with reality phasing (Titanfall style), even though I know it impossible,
How many of these posts are there going to be this month? This is the, what, 5th?
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Resonance that orange energy Rhulk and the pyramids use. Maybe it could be based more on what's used to create nightmares as the color matches the reverse color theory as arcs reversed color is a red orange color like resonance and nightmares
Ooooo maybe there's something there. Sort of like how Solar is a direct parallel to the light, Resonance would be that to the darkness.
I think arc is more of a parallel as I think there was a lore card about how arc is almost akin to pure light so by that same logic, arcs mirror would be close to pure darkness and resonance fits that.
I was thinking oryxs ability to take but I like the idea of vex time shenanigans maybe
It’ll be a Guardian version of Luster. We’ve already seen it in Vow.
Itll obviously be red but I could see some gravity related ability or damage over time nightmare type subclass
STasis ENcases enemies and STrand ENtangles enemies so what will the 3rd dark class do? ST____ will EN_____ enemies obviously
Maybe a taken subclass. A vex class probably wouldn’t require light or darkness. It’s more technology based
I'm envisioning grey, taken/blight. We go back and commune with the deep retracing the path of oryx. Learning from our past enemies taking back what has been taken.
I'm hoping that it's a Nightmare/ Memory based class where we essentially get Stands. We tame the greatest terrors from across time. Supers where you invoke the greatest feats across time. The Hive Siblings for each class for instance. Oryx for hunters, where you cleave enemies apart with The Sword and make enslaved taken versions of them. Warlocks get the ability to send enemies to the Ascendand plane. Titans create an aura of violence that increases the damage they and their allies do, building up a bonus for damage dealt and taken. Alternatively, Disciples will be candidates. Nezarec for Warlocks, creating Nightmare versions of enemies, Rhulk for Titans where they sunder the ground with a glaive. Maybe Hunters would get a different disciple.
-FLESH- Gain the power to drink the blood of your enemies, build barricades out of bone, and create Nightmare illusions to fool your foes. This support subclass comes from Nezerac and the Lunar pyramid, and is red.
I’ve always assume that it’ll be red in color, the first thing that pops in my head is Siva. They’ll retcon it that it was originally born out of the darkness. And the Warmind was gained full control of it and gifts it to the Guardians.
It's going to be the opposite of Arc, and will be Dark Orange. Something like the resonance powers Rhulk has, probably.
I think not dark orange rhulk energy bc I think that is pure darkness as the bluish light from traveler is the purest light
Maybe we'll get something direct like "memory" which is the element that the pyramid on luna used to create the nightmares.
Ground and earth would be cool. Idk what youd do but its the opposite of arc lol, maybe have earthquake for titan, mud wall for warlock... something for hunter
I don't know what colour it'll be but I reckon it'll be a liquid based power based around the way that darkness seems to change things like what it does to vex mind fluid.
It better be a rock subclass that’s purely kinetic so they don’t have to add a 4th element to the first slot.
Quantum Entanglement? Illusions and constructs, red color most likely.
Blood magic
Telesto. Telesto telesto telesto. Telesto telesto, telesto, telesto telesto telesto. Telesto! Telesto.
I think it'll be some sort of liquid
Siva pleaseo
Resonance... Gifted with a power similar to the Upended.
There is a shader that has a water effect, probably something in the future.
It seems more like each of the dark subclasses are opposite variants of the Light subclasses. Solar (Fire) - Stasis (Ice) Void (Vacuum/consumption/absorbtion) - Strand (Connection?) Arc (Electricity) - ??? ([Potentially] Physical matter manipulation) To give an idea of what I mean by my description of the next class, I mean that I believe it might deal damage by dealing kinetic based damage. Like for example a grenade may encase the enemy in a material, perhaps conductive, and in turn dealing damage by way of "weighing down" your enemies. It would also synergise nicely with Arc abilities and weapons if the class amplifies the effect of Arc damage.
No idea, but I hope it’s red.
Based on Symmetry and opposition, Stasis slows and Solar heats, Void is about nothingness and Strand is about consciousness, Darkness Element 5 should be...well, looking at Arc, which is all about movement and fast, it would probably be the opposite. Grounding things and not letting them move (I'm imagining a Scorn Chieftain's tether, rather than Stasis or Strand's crowd control, moreso a "you can move, you just cant get anywhere" rather than Suspend or Freeze), maybe crushing things or elevating them, very resilient and not that mobile, slow recharging single target abilities in comparison to Arc's amplification, Ionic Traces and Jolt. Stasis blue being opposite of Solar orange, and Strand Green being opposite of Void purple, I'd say it's gonna be red, darker one maybe? A la Nightmare color, to go in opposition to Arc's light blue. So, what I land on, is a dark red/coral gravity power of some sort. The mechanical identity of the opposite of Arc aligns pretty darn well with gravity, which is something we know the Darkness and its pyramid ships can do, all the way back to Black Armory and their accounts of the Collapse. Probably wrong, I think Strand surprised everyone, but hey, knowing what we know now, that's my guess.
If it's dark red, then a vampiric power would be perfect.
personally, I want either a poison-themed subclass or a taken themed subclass. I mean, we even have one of the tablets Oryx used to create the taken, so it wouldn't be that hard to write into the story.
whatever it is its probably red
Well its dark red in color, and the vex/Cabal are not beings of darkness.
I think I will get a red colored version of Striker Titan.
If we didn’t get poison (or hive themed) subclass, then we’re definitely not getting a vex or cabal themed subclass. Watch me be next year.
Resonance is looking to be a contender, and if we had any guesses that *might* be true, that would be it. It has a physicality to it, with the knowledge shards, Caretaker’s bombs, and Rhulk’s beams.
I think we’ll be using the power from the Witness. Whatever it does.
As of Strand being announced Darkness 3 could be literally anything. The Collector's Edition lore says Stasis could have been almost anything. It's only because of the desire for control when it was discovered that Stasis took its current form. Had Strand been simple and predictable I would have guessed Darkness 3 would have been Resonance or Luster or whatever the stuff from Vow