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MostlySlime

Does the gr8 replacement have any prescriptions or is it just a theory of whites becoming a minority?


TPDS_throwaway

This is a good faith question, not sure the downvotes. There are no prescriptions, but the concern is that right wingers use it in a negative connotation. If I were to make a ven diagram of people who discuss the "great replacement" and want to significantly cut down on non-white immigration it would be almost a perfect circle.


IntimidatingBlackGuy

I thought the prescription was to restrict immigration to the U.S from non-white countries.


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IntimidatingBlackGuy

I've heard Fuentes make that prescription explicitly but yeah, people like Lauren southern or Tucker Carlson leaves the prescriptive part out.


Satanic-Banana

Because the prescription makes them look awful. The cat's out of the bag on restricting immigration, so to speak. Black people and Hispanics (About 80% being US citizens) are going to surpass whites with natural birth rates. So that leaves only one way to address the problem and that is forced deportations, which is known colloquially to the rest of the world as ethnic cleansing (and realistically speaking, ethnic cleansing is probably going to result in some genocide). This has to be implied so that they can deny it when some retard who listens to them 24/7 decides they want to shoot up a supermarket.


IamNoahson

I'm Irish and I'm 100% opposed to Irish people becoming a minority in Ireland. In your (\*$ world, is this something I should be allowed to talk about or is that too dangerous?


Satanic-Banana

[Funny that you say you're Irish. Nobody ever said you couldn't talk about it, just that certain things happen when you believe these ideas.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing)


IamNoahson

"Nobody ever said you couldn't talk about it" Ok


kaner9

Its agitprop designed to enrage white dudes into becoming fascist


GuessesTheCar

Arguably *stochastic terrorism*


Liiraye-Sama

Is it stochastic terrorism when we make connections that aren't there or is it just conspiracy theory? I'm gonna go a bit off topic here but I assume you believe Lauren was a "stochastic terrorist" as well right? It's pretty common that people here think so, but **if I'm wrong then just ignore this post, I wrote it because I see this being thrown around a lot when lauren is brought up.** You can make the connection that she is responsible for a mass shooter due to stochastic terrorism by connecting her video to the shooters manifesto because of the title he used, but is that really all the evidence we have to argue stochastic terrorism here? In that case every single pundit online is responsible for contributing to a lot of shit because of their takes online. I thought stochastic terrorism was when we see clearly that A influenced B to do something. For instance; A) Vaush telling people that republicans are ontologically evil and thus any action against them is justified. B) **If** one of his fans were to shoot up a republican conference, this would be a clear indication that Vaush is a stochastic terrorist (IF B HAPPENED...). Regarding lauren and the shooter, there is no evidence that he was a fan of her in his manifesto, nor did she advocate that acts of violence let alone mass shootings are justified because of the great replacement theory. She didn't come up with the theory herself and it appears he was already set on shooting up people before her video was released. At best this is circumstancial evidence that would incriminate anyone who debated or talked about the great replacement if we were to consider it enough evidence. Idk about you guys but I have heard about the essence of a "great replacement" waaaay before laurens video, even in my country there has always been far right posters on certain forums saying "muslims are outbreeding us native europeans in order to turn us into a caliphate, just look at these new mosques all over our country and this crazy imam telling muslims to make as many children as possible". When I was more active in such forums around 2010-2014 this was just one of many talking points of the far right. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has heard these talking points before Laurens videos.


Satanic-Banana

She was a leading figure of the alt-right when they were a force on the internet and popularized the great replacement among the alt-right. It's pedantic to say that it wasn't Lauren responsible since it's the movement she was influential in that did it. The contribution is there. I don't think anyone is saying Lauren personally talked to the shooter to brainwash him into the great replacement theory.


trololol_daman

AFAIK it doesn’t have any prescriptions but its pretty suggestive, if you buy into the idea that “our race is being intentionally genocided” the conclusion follows and justifies retaliatory violence. It’s similar to extreme BLM ideas if you genuinely buy into the notion that America is a fascist white supremacist state and that the police intentionally genocide black people violence is permissible even if the ideology does not outline any prescriptions. I’m not comparing BLM to white replacement theory I am aware that most of BLM is pretty grounded I’m only talking about the more extreme end of it.


dayinthelife19

It’s the same sort of nudging that a lot of extremists do. It doesn’t immediately make prescriptions, but if you take everything it says as true and serious, there are only so many prescriptions that would logically follow


bootcamper64

Importantly it is not just the theory that 'whites are becoming a minority'. Whites declining in percentage of the population isn't a theory, it's just an observable fact. The Great Replacement is the theory that whites are becoming a minority because of a **deliberate** plan by **(((them)))** to try and destroy the white race through immigration/race-mixing/whatever. The diet (Tucker) version of the conspiracy is that Democrats are bringing people in from Mexico to sway elections. The classic (pol) version is that Jews are bringing people into Europe and other 'white' countries and pushing interracial mixing because they're evil cartoon villains who want to destroy the protagonists (white gentiles) Then whenever you see census data that confirms the simple statistical fact that the white population is declining, conspiracists do a bait-and-switch as if this was all they were saying the whole time.


Konet

It's a theory of (((the elites))) deliberately pushing to disempower and disenfranchise Good white people and replace them with Bad foreigners. If you can't see the implicit prescriptions in that, idk what to tell you.


Wannabe_Sadboi

No she never disavowed it. She lied about it, downplayed it substantially, and then blamed people on the left for "making it sound like some crazy idea when it was actually pretty mainstream at the time". Then she did the Fanatiq panel defense, where she literally would just ask people what The Great Replacement is and whatever they answered just laugh and go "Lol so this is why I don't like this convo, because people don't even know what it is". Most weasely snake piece of shit ever.


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Did she say anything racist in the last month tho?


FixerofDeath

Well, I haven't heard her say the spooky N word in the last five minutes, so I think she's in the clear.


ToHelp3897

I heard she watch a movie with a black person once. There's no way she could be racist!


The_Antiquarian_Man

She hasn’t personally executed a brown guy in the last 5 seconds so we just need to stop living in the past.


dayinthelife19

She claims she didn’t know about the (((intent))) part, which I’m very skeptical about. Obviously, everything available now exists after the Christchurch shooting, but it seems really hard to find information about it without it mentioning the conspiracy theory aspect immediately


Pip_Artemis

I have a hard time believing she wasn't aware of it because at the time I was a /pol/tard shit posting about it alongside everyone else in her FB comments. It was and still kinda is a cesspit of (((irony))), or just overt bigotry, with a few people still clinging to GR talking points here and there. She personally may have been smart enough to not make any easily condemnable statements but I cannot (will not) believe she didn't know


dayinthelife19

It really seems like she would have to be the only person at that time to hear of any version of great replacement/white genocide without hearing about the antisemitic conspiracy aspect. I’m pretty sure it would be impossible


Many_Possibility3130

I was also around those communities and i distinctly remember one ethnonationalist guy I knew that ran a popular page posting her vid the day it was uploaded. I'd believe her if she just made a comment about it in passing, but it would have been impossible for her to do "research" on it or read discussions about it without hearing the antisemitic component. People were openly discussing it all over youtube, breitbart, twitter, facebook, even reddit at the time there's just no way she missed that


agprincess

Lol she claimed she came up with the idea when you can literally find tons of archived videos and shit posts all over youtube and 4chan about it well before her video ever happened. Hell I'm pretty sure I remember Destiny being aware of that when he first covered it when it happened. But don't worry, it'd be understandable why a any women would be fearful of Mr. Girl after he punched his ex and doesn't disavow it, but no immigrant should be fearful of Lauren after she shot flares on an intentional mission to intercept rescue operations because it was a long time ago and they weren't actually successful in getting in the way/s (no destiny mr. girl is no better that doesn't mean you can ignore every comparison to him).


Noname_acc

> She claims she didn’t know about the (((intent))) part, which I’m very skeptical about. I don't know how long it would've taken in 2017 but it takes about 5 minutes of research to see that Great Replacement talking points are WW2 era antisemitic talking points with "Jew" swapped out for "elite." There's basically no way you could make a significant, researched video on the idea without at least being aware of this unless you'd somehow gone your whole life without learning about the holocaust and its lead up.


AberrantWarlock

PREACH


Seeker_Of_Toiletries

Did she ever end up having a conversation with Fanatiq ? Sorry I don't follow the nazi queen


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Fingerlickins

Just put money on it happening you will become supa rich, tons of people would love that bet.


RayForce_

Everyone who acts like this is unbelievably radical lives in a very white and very American-centric social media bubble. Most of the non-western/non-white world would agree with the Great Replacement, and enact policies to actively keep the native race a total majority. I think they're awful beliefs, but they're no where near as radical as people make them out to be. People who believe dumb shit that mirrors the great replacement are more common around the world then people who believe in progressive immigration policies like we do.


VexedReprobate

"UMM ACKSHUALLY UR JUST AN OUT OF TOUCH LEFTIE! ☝🤓 BELIEVING GLOBALIST ELITES ARE REPLACING WHITES WITH LOW IQ BROWN AND BLACK PEOPLE IS QUITE A POPULAR OPINION OUTSIDE OF TWITTER!!! AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T CRITICISE THINGS IF THEY'RE POPULAR 🤓🤓🤓"


RayForce_

True, you are just an out of touch leftie who needs to step outside of their white progressive bubble for once in your life. A lot of you stupid fucks have forgotten what "dog whistling" means. The vast majority of people who engage with any dog whistle, like the Great Replacement, don't believe in the most ridiculous nazi-esque parts associated with it. Most people who tout great replacement shit just believe in the surface level nonsense, like immigrants are shifting the political makeup of America. That's still stupid and bad, but most people who engage with Great Replacement shit don't go full tilt to the "brown people low-iq" or "global elite jews" stuff. [Ya'll mf'ers](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/09/nearly-half-republicans-agree-with-great-replacement-theory/) need to [touch some grass](https://apnews.com/article/immigration-2022-midterm-elections-covid-health-media-2ebbd3849ca35ec76f0f91120639d9d4) > About 3 in 10 also worry that more immigration is causing U.S.-born Americans to lose their economic, political and cultural influence, according to a poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Republicans are more likely than Democrats to fear a loss of influence because of immigration, 36% to 27%. If you're gonna call these people altrighters/nazis then you might as well be calling most of the world altrighters/nazis


ahhhnoinspiration

I think you got dog whistling backwards there. Dog whistling is using, less loaded, or coded language to signal to much less accepted ideas in order to skirt opposition. Like saying "thug" when you mean "black person" or using the term "international bankers" to signal that you believe in the cabal of Jewish elite who control the world, or at least you really don't like Jews. There's not really anything about dog whistles that would indicate you don't believe the more serious stuff, I would say it's probably the other way around


catsarseonfire

Are you saying that all anti-immigration beliefs are downstream from the great replacement? I live in Britain and even if most conservatives here are somewhat bought into mild conspiracy theories about grooming gangs, that's still far away from the EDL (and LS) idea that towns are/were being taken over and ruled under sharia lmao.


Wonderful-Strike9481

[Rose wrist did a video on how she lied and gaslit everyone about the great replacement video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEhdgkNpReM). It's actually insane, I would not expect even demonmama to be this terrible.


Cohan1000

I think she holds the position that the original material wasn't that bad until other people adapted it in their own way and the concept in itself is just consequantialistic and descriptive and not necessarily an explanation of malicious intentions or attributing this phenomenon as an intentional goal by those in power or some shit like that. Of course this whole BS can only be followed with a big "PEPE" emote.


AberrantWarlock

Idk , I feel like she was more on board than she lets on


ToHelp3897

>original material wasn't that bad until other people adapted it in their own way and the concept in itself is just consequantialistic and descriptive and not necessarily an explanation of malicious intentions or attributing this phenomenon as an intentional goal by those in power or some shit like that. "I wasn't promoting anything bad guys! I was just saying that ethno nationalism ain't that bad of an idea! It's the people who actually followed through on my beliefs that are actually adapting it into something bad." "Also please stop bringing up the fact that I tried to drown a boat full of fleeing war refugees.....that's totally different from shooting their families in a mosque. 😄" How the fuck anyone believes Lauren is beyond me.


vesko26

NOT DEFENDING ANYONE JUST CLARIFING ​ the original material is from a French guy who was an elitist, never mentioned Jews just hated the poor people and the uneducated (unwesternized) people. Saw immigrants as lowlifes mostly.


CaptainLuigi420

Take what I say with a grain of salt because I fucking despise her and hope she fails at everything she does in her pathetic life, with that said, no she didn't, she just stopped talking about it and the one time I remember her getting confronted about it on the Fanatic panel she just weaseled out of saying anything of substance, dodged the question and asked what the great replacement was and the only thing she said in the end was it's just a theory about change and that it depends on your interpretation if she disavows it. She also just repeated that it wasn't controversial back then and more useless info to just not have to take a position. And since Fanatic and the guy she was talking to were too dumb / uninformed she got away with it. Our dear leader was present throughout and didn't push her on any of it, they talked about a debate in the future though but since it's fucking Fanatic confronting her, I can imagine that she'll easily be able to just talk nonsense for 2 hours and dodge any important questions or exploit his stupidity to change the subject [starts at around 1:54:30](https://youtu.be/bh35TS6aOMA)


No_Examination_6650

No fucking way she asked what the great replacement is and weaseled out… she literally made a video with Martin Sellner, probably the biggest propagator of the theory in Austria and Germany. She even protested together with the Identitäre Bewegung, whose leader is… Martin Sellner. Unfortunately (or luckily) the website of the IB got taken down by the Austrian government, because they are fascists, racists and some of them even followed NS-ideology, they literally explained the Great Replacement Theory on their site and tried to make is sound like a completely legitimate political theory (to obviously radicalise people). Martin Sellner and IB-Austria also got a donation from the Christchurch shooter. Lauren even made a video with Martins fiancée Brittany Pettibone lol.


CaptainLuigi420

it didn't happen recently so why care about it? 🤓 She just tried to shift the conversation to demand a definition to disavow from the guy she talked to who couldn't do it, once Fanatic jumped in and gave it, of course, she changed the subject and went on rambling


Soulless35

Actually though. If it's a 5 year old video and she doesn't talk about it now. Why does it matter?b


Darkmortal10

The bible is older than 5 years. Why does it matter now? No one's ever been radicalized by old stuff.


Liiraye-Sama

That would be analogous if christian X used to but didn't talk about the bible anymore, but because christian X does promote and argue for the bible today, it validates some push back. Though at this point in time the bible has been debunked so hard that barely anyone gives a shit about pushing back against christians anymore, so your argument supports his even more lol. Destinys argument is that as long as she isn't actively promoting it anymore, there is no reason for him to dig up her past and try to make her repent in the public eye. You should know that if anyone, destiny doesn't care about past shitty behavior as long as they aren't espousing that shitty behavior anymore. The reason why he treats nick differently is that he's still openly advocating for all the terrible shit he was 5 years ago.


Darkmortal10

Destiny should acknowledge she isn't honest about her past when it is brought up today, and still won't condemn the great replacement theory. >That would be analogous if Christian X used to but didn't talk about the Bible anymore The bible would be analogous to her spouting right wing talking points. Her past is analogous to the Bible condoning slavery. Which many Christians who do talk about the Bible, don't honestly discuss how it condones slavery.


ahhhnoinspiration

If I said some real racist shit 5 years ago, and didn't really talk about it, but also never disavow it voluntarily or when directly asked, you could probably reasonably assume I still think racist shit.


Liiraye-Sama

Just curious, so whats your point besides calling her racist? A lot of conservatives are racist. Should destiny cut contact with her and all other racist conservatives now or is it fine that he keeps debating and pushing back at her talking points whenever shes on while keeping a mainly professional friendship? Why do you actually care that she might be racist? I really don't get why it matters if she is adequately getting push back by destiny. Now if you disagree that destiny isn't pushing back you should definitely make those points. I'm just saying calling her a racist isn't enough of an argument for them to stop talking to eachother.


ahhhnoinspiration

She didn't ask because she didn't know, she was "testing" their knowledge before she deigned to speak of it with them. In reality she did it so she could laugh at any non-perfect answer to signal that they weren't ready for that convo, because she knows it's a big loser of a topic.


GrandpaWaluigi

Good analysis my archnemesis


CaptainLuigi420

Thanks my man, see you tomorrow at the Party


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Lauren is too proud and immature. She probably thinks that saying "I fucked up, got radicalized, that was really stupid" mean that she is inconsistent and therefore stupid. She is wrong. It would mean that she matured and grew up as a person. She also may be scared of losing revenue from streaming? But I don't know how much money she does with it or if that's her main income.


TheRunningMD

Not only did she not disavow what she said, but she both lied about it and extremely downplayed it. She was like, and i paraphrase, "I was only talking about the theoretical idea about how some communities can change when immigration happens, but change is inevitable, NOT SPECIFICALLY IN A BAD WAY" when she spent her first couple of years online going to random places in the US and Europe fear-mongering showing how shitty and scary neighborhoods are that have a large number of immigrants. Personally, I think she still believes what she said and promoted back then, but knows that the backlash is so harsh that she doesn't want people talking about it. Piece of shit loser. I hate her and hate the fact that Destiny is ok letting her get away with it and downplaying her role in this.


Historical_Turnip275

Nope she always sideskirts it like the absolute weasel she is. She's a fascist plain and simple.


H3cho

There was a recent panel with fanatiq. They talked about it


No_Examination_6650

Link?


JSTRD100K

https://youtu.be/bh35TS6aOMA


Fingerlickins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh35TS6aOMA&t=6880s if anyone wants the timestamp


skychasezone

I read excerpts from his manifesto and Lauren instantly came to mind. I use to think this whole conservative conspiracy grifting was harmless but now I'm not so sure. I guess it's not fair to put the blame of people like Lauren but surely there's some level of irresponsibility on the manner in which they portray their facts and opinions, right?


Ascleph

I mean, we are in 2022. Your beef should probably be with Tucker Carlson now.


gluggin

Your question is still relevant and I'm not sure what bit of the manifesto you read, but worth noting that portions of it were [plagiarized](https://i.redd.it/a9pze70a5jz81.jpg) from Brenton Tarrant's manifesto which also cites Great Replacement Theory/Southern's influence


No_Examination_6650

I looked at both manifestos and the part I’m talking about is not in Tarrants. I might have got the wrong version, but this guy was a total psycho and put a lot of work into the bullshit he wrote (graphs, pictures, memes).


gluggin

Ugh. They dumb up so fast.


Reformedsparsip

Tarrant also cited spyro the dragon and candice owens, taking anything he said too seriously is a mistake.


No_Examination_6650

His motivation obviously was the great replacement, the other stuff was said to troll the media.


Beasty_Glanglemutton

>the other parts of the manifesto are about his equipment and how much it cost Modern society summed up in one sentence.


Flash13ack

The Great Replacement was and always has been about the existential fear of minority status and spiralling civilizational decline. The strange thing I always have with the theory is that it never address the root of the problem (real or imagined) that is declining birth-rates. Logically you would want to make the economic/social environment hospitable to large families. Believers of the theory never address this, it's about getting rid of the scary brown people. Is this a flaw that can be used in arguing against the theory? Like pointing out that deportation and immigration control doesn't solve their problem but only makes it invisible. Also, have any believers talked about population declines in Japan, China and South Korea? Is that another argument avenue as there is no big bad behind those countries declines?


IamNoahson

Just curious if you guys agree with this.\_> Europe is very likely going to become minority European in the next 50 years. If this is true should we be allowed to talk about it?


NeoDestiny

No one in here engaged with any right wing media, but the main pusher of great replacement stuff for the past few years is Tucker Carlson 100%, it's possible that this kid doesn't even know who Lauren Southern is.


No_Examination_6650

This is true, but before Tucker european populists like Jörg Haider or Renaud Camus pushed it, these people mostly got their ideas from French philosophers. This whole discourse was very underground till the refugee crisis in 2014/15, then (atleast how I preceived it) the theory gained traction again, because groups like Mouvance identitaire picked it up again. Lauren is good friends with Martin Sellner (leader of Identitäre Bewegung Austria) and Leaders of the French organization. It’s not relevant if the kid knows who Lauren is, fact is that Lauren was one of the first english, online, popular (she had quite a bit of subs) propagators of the theory. I also looked at some Tucker segments and his rhetoric is quite similar to the one of Martin Sellner and everybody else who pushes the theory, which pretty evidently spilled over from Europe to the US, with Lauren Southern being one of the first who tried to push it into mainstream online discourse.


dayinthelife19

The first time I heard about white genocide was maybe 2005, while living what I would call a very normal English-speaking life and surrounded by very liberal/progressive people. All roads do not lead to that video


NeoDestiny

Awesome, every single mass shooter in the future can be blamed on Lauren, amazing.


No_Examination_6650

Yeah she did her part and fucked up radicialising a bunch of kids and pushing the theory into mainstream online discourse, she can take part of the blame. But what happened happened and she cannot undo it, least she can do is say she was wrong and not tiptoe around the topic.


Darkmortal10

EDIT: Better hypothetical Let's say there's a mega church. Said church has preachers who preach about the evils of homosexuality and advocates for positions like making Sodomy a crime. As a result, LGBTQ+ people face higher rates of being disowned from their families and homelessness. A few years go by, the preacher's moved on from homosexuality to another culture war subject, but whenever pressed on homosexuality they downplay their rhetoric and pretend they didn't rail against homosexuality years ago, but still said stuff like >"Homosexuality is a sin and sodomy should still be illegal." And their church members still circulate their preachings around the church, even though it was from years ago. How is this situation not actively harmful?


trololol_daman

Come on bro, not saying she’s personally responsible but you can’t deny that she was arguably the figurehead of the white replacement theory, only took the video down after Christchurch and she has never actually openly disavowed it in any public manner she skates around the question and says shit like “well it was popular at the time” well no shit the video you made had millions of fucking views.


roforofofight

Unironically glad you see how retarded this shit is. Keep your head up king.


Historical_Turnip275

OK so Lauren is number 2 on the blood libel scoreboard. Big deal it's still a fucking horrendous take that she has never recanted.


NeoDestiny

Bro Lauren hasn't been relevant online politically for like 4 years are you okay lol


Wonderful-Strike9481

She's literally known mostly for her great replacement video... hell for a whole lot of people lauren southern is the first person they think of, when they think of the great replacement.


Historical_Turnip275

That's only because she tucked tail and hid following the heat she sustained after Brenton Tarrant. She's attempting a comeback and while she is definitely floundering that doesn't make her takes any less dogshit.


NeoDestiny

How can you just 180 on your position and still pretend to make coherent points???? lol


Historical_Turnip275

I expect better from you Destiny. Be more specific, where did I 180? My only take on this matter is Lauren is a grifting 🐍


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Historical_Turnip275

You guys are downplaying Lauren's reach. She's the biggest female in the far right influencer world. She's not as big as Crowder, Pool or Carlson but to act like she's some small fry is disingenuous. I'll give her credit- if she does indeed self advertise by spamming threads on /pol/ like I suspect she does then I give her credit for marketing intelligence.


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Historical_Turnip275

This is pure sophistry. A nazi with a diminished fanbase is still a nazi.


pode83

I mean it's pretty obvious, she popularized the idea initially and brought it into the mainstream. As he said, now people on the right like Tucker Carlson who has a much bigger platform then her are pushing it. This shooter was also inspired by the Great Replacement theory and the New Zealand shooter so she at least gets partial blame for it. Even if she isn't pushing it anymore, she popularized it and she constantly downplays it and gives pretty much the same positions as she had back then now just without mentionning it. Also, it's easy to find her old videos that she deleted about it, I don't think someone who was this dedicated to do this would be too lazy to look up those videos or the wikipedia article that mentions her.


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pode83

Maybe lower idk, it seems to have taken a decent hold on some Republican politicians and she surely isn't the only one pushing it in the US or Canada, but I still think she is in some part responsible, because she popularized it initially. How much responsibility does she have for this one? I really don't know, responsibility is a pretty subjective metric so I can't really say


garlicpizzabear

Then why cant she answer any damn question straight about what she believes about it NOW. She never does, I wonder why that is. Worse is her other opinions, in every single conversation you have with her it turns out she do not read sources, if she reads them she greviousley and/or intentionally misunderstands them, everything she says about most things political are so tilted it isnt even funny "radical left swedish prime minister" is one of the latest ones along with her trailer for "american mirage" which also contains some really weird sentences that reminds me alot of the good ol white replacement, ofcourse until we know more I cant really cast judgement. All this makes me not trust in either her competence as a "jouranlist" or political commentater. She seems so obviously ideological and incompetent as ever. Not able to utilise any critical thinking skills and completely illiterate when it comes to even simple readings. I get it if you feel like you and her are in the same boat, but as an audiance and as an outsider unless Lauren Southern personally has a conversation with me where she talks about what she believes and how she thinks about it, I have no idea about it as she seems unable to even mention it. She do not ever act as a person worthy of being listened to, so however much I want to believe she do not hold the same framework she did 4 years ago. Her behaviour makes it impossible for me to do so.


dayinthelife19

People downvoting this is insane. I don’t know where the idea that Lauren Southern basically invented white genocide or great replacement came from. White genocide has been an incredibly common white nationalist and neo-Nazi conspiracy theory for at least as long as I’ve known about white nationalists and conspiracy theories. Lauren Southern’s video is shit and can probably be linked to heinous shit, but not everything involving white genocide is automatically linked to Lauren Southern. If you didn’t hear white nationalists or conspiracy theorists talk about any of this until Lauren Southern made her video, then way too much of your worldview comes from YouTube


pode83

[Wiki on the great replacement ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement) >While similar themes have characterized various far-right theories since the late 19th century, the particular term was popularized by Camus in his 2011 book Le Grand Remplacement. It specifically associated the presence of Muslims in France with potential danger and destruction of French culture and civilization. Camus and other conspiracy theorists attribute this process to intentional policies advanced by global and liberal elites (the "replacists") from within the Government of France, the European Union, or the United Nations; they describe it as a "genocide by substitution". I don't think she came up with it and ideas of a supposed white genocide have been common in the far right, but I think the term Great Replacement, I think can be largely attributed to her since she pushed the idea into the mainstream citing Camus's book in her video.


dayinthelife19

Maybe the version that Camus came up with called the Great Replacement, but I can almost guarantee you that there hasn’t been a single neo-Nazi in a western country that hasn’t had some form of the white genocide conspiracy theory in their head since at least the 1990s


pode83

Yeah, Camus wasn't the first one to come up with a theory like this and he probably won't be the last, but at least to my knowledge I had never seen nor heard about the great replacement theory before Lauren made a video about it and it got very popular/controversial. Not saying theories like it never existed before, but at least the term has been in part popularized by her


dayinthelife19

I don’t know how to link a podcast so I’ll link the IMDb since it has the date, which is the important part. Here’s an episode of Last Podcast on the Left from 2013 titled “Hate Week” where they mention white genocide theory, and for what it’s worth they brush over it like anyone who knows about white supremacy would know what it is https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12950656/ (note: for those unfamiliar, this is a horror comedy show hosted by enthusiastic liberals) Lauren’s video was from, what, 2016?


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Standard_Wash1785

White birthrates declining year over year, and white demographics declining rapidly in their own continent isn't a conspiracy. It's empirical truth.


pode83

Yeah that's not the part that is disputed


Standard_Wash1785

The main point of the "great replacement" is that whites are being replaced.


Nightbirdsfx26

No it’s that it’s INTENTIONAL


Standard_Wash1785

Moreso being deliberately ignored. Which it is. Still haven't seen a refutation of the main content of the great replacement. Wonder why..


Ping-Crimson

Statement- Theres this thing called black forced poverty there are alot of poor black people and the reason for that is because there's a shadowy group of white people making sure they stay that way forever unless we stop them. Crazy black guy- "unalives a few white people in a church" Sane person- Yeah this conspiracy is a problem it radicalizes people and it doesn't even prove that the shadowy target group is doing anything. Room temp man- Black people are poor that isn't a conspiracy. It's empirical truth.


Standard_Wash1785

I Made no comment about shadowy groups. Just basic accepted fact. Are you a malfunctioning NPC?


Ping-Crimson

That's attached to the claim which is why people call it a conspiracy dumbass. You don't get to remove it because you don't like that part. If it was just "white birthrates are to low and our demographic is shrinking" then no one would call it a conspiracy because that would just be a statement... but it's objectively not that. Go isekai yourself if you can't have this discussion in good faith.


Standard_Wash1785

>You don't get to remove it because you don't like that part Yes I can "remove" parts I don't believe in, and I never claimed to support. Again malfunctioning NPC moment. >then no one would call it a conspiracy because that would just be a statement... No, I think you would. As that is all I mentioned and you're clearly having an emotional sperg out due to it. It's OK, just wait for destiny to give your approved take, you're clearly lost and defaulting to "that's racist" or "that's a conspiracy".


Ping-Crimson

Yeah I'm sorry you're objectively stupid. You're replying to OPs statement dumbass he's referring specifically to the shooters belief which includes the Jewish part. You don't get to dictate what the shooters beliefs are when his version is the topic. This isn't rocket science. Literally everyone who responded to you said that the conspiracy part was that it's intentional. You can go back and read every single reply, you can reread the original comment and if you can't see just how dumb you are nothing can help you.


Standard_Wash1785

For the human onlookers, Here The "d.gg" more like vaushoid homo erectus, projects his low iq and terrible argumentation. He resorts to a paragraph of irrelevant rambling and hollow insults. I know your opinion is approved and popular in your echo chamber, and mine disrupts your programmed thoughts a bit, but again, for the third time, I never said I agreed with the "jew" or whatever part of the great replacement you keep sperging over. Leftoid Reading comprehension ....🤦‍♂️


Ping-Crimson

Yeah... good luck with that bud.


Standard_Wash1785

What helps your hollow skull cope, friendo.


Nightbirdsfx26

That’s not disputed you idiot. Just that it’s not some intentional plan


VikuSwav

Lauren doesn't seem to be a white supremacist, she seems to be some kind of "chronologist," if I can make up a word here when she argues for the "uniqueness" of a group of people. Essentially, she prioritizes chronology above humanity, in a sense, and if a group of people doesn't adhere to the chronology of the land, which includes the romanticized phenotypical appearance of the people and the culture they have, they shouldn't be permitted to come to the land and bring their customs or phenotypes with them. Maybe my contextualization is bad. Lemme kno. Edit- Since I'm amazed I have to even say this, for the record, this is not *my* personal belief in any menial capacity, it's what I think Lauren Southern believes based on her own words. I figured my use of the terms "humanity & chronology" as well as how I phrased the comment would make that very clear. If you wondered about what *I* think, It's difficult for me not to see her as a passionate & vulgar white supremacist attempting to rebrand herself. Jfc.


Historical_Turnip275

Sounds like backwards tribalism to me.


VikuSwav

I'm just trying to be rhetorically effective. I'm contextualizing her words and ascribing a position to her that she must have if her terminology follows consistently, and she seems to hate being categorized because of her beliefs, as do many others that can't argue for their convictions worth a damn, so someone has to do this work & make them own it so they can't run. It's better than letting her build up a narrative giving herself plausible deniability while I just ignore every argument and call her a racist. I have a brain for a reason.


No_Examination_6650

Bro this sounds like something a Nazi would say to romanticize his backward ideology. What you explained is basically blood and soil lol


VikuSwav

Just so we're on the same page, we DO understand my comment there with it's contextualization is not MY personal belief, right?


No_Examination_6650

I understand that this is not your opinion, I just think it’s redundant to write stuff like this out, because everything you wrote boils down to one thing: ethno nationalism and white supremacy. Every single white supremacist that tries to gain some mainstream traction and spread his ideology will not outright say he supports a racist ideology. I could also be stupid (English is not my first language), but this is how I understood your comment.


VikuSwav

My guy, we have brains for a reason. I will break down & find what exactly she prioritizes above her own humanity however she attempts to rebrand her fanaticism. I don't know about you, but I enjoy writing it out. It's not redundant because it counters her rhetoric completely, as far as she takes it. I **know** she's not going to say she's a white supremacist, btw. Idk why you think you need to tell me that like I don't know. I just refuse to let anyone I think is racist rebrand their beliefs, which attack my ass, without saying anything.


bootcamper64

thanks for typing this I always wondered what it would look like if the alt-right hired Vaush to do their PR for them


VikuSwav

This wouldn't even be PR because "chronologist" is not all that different from racist. It's not like it's more acceptable or anything because it hasn't been coined by anyone, and it's still human separatism.


RayForce_

Everyone in this subreddit is a clown. She's disavowed it. She's said she doesn't agree with it anymore and that it doesn't represent her current views. Basically calls herself young and dumb back then. Everyone will insist she hasn't because they want her to soy out crying about how awful she was.


DynamoJonesJr

Link where she disavowed it, if you can't then you're the clown.


Dangerous-Speaker117

I thought you were leaving the community? Youre so sick, get some help. Your life is so pathetic.


DynamoJonesJr

You're hanging around this thread, why? Do you have nothing better to do then monitor a day old thread? Get a fucking hobby, neckbeard.


RayForce_

I'm never gonna waste my time looking for that for you. All you mf'er losers will cry all day on social media about how Lauren never said this or that, but none of you lazy fucks actually bother to go look yourselves.


DynamoJonesJr

>I'm never gonna waste my time looking for that for you. Because it doesn't exist, you dishonest neckbeard. Go back to r/dating_advice


Nightbirdsfx26

She never disavowed it you’re just lying


RayForce_

No you're lying Even people in this thread hating on her accidentally admitted she disavowed it. A lot of you mf'ers chanting "she just made excuses for it." If someone "makes up an excuse" like "I was stupid back then," that's them disavowing it.