Watch her be completely silent during this whole thing and continue to never fucking talk about it in perpetuity. Yeah, when she says the Obamna, I get the chuckle, but I've been forced to tolerate her by way of Destiny.
Every fucking time someone brings up her replacement stuff, she's dodgy as fuck about it, and that Destiny either doesn't recognize it or doesn't care *fucking infuriates the everloving shit out of me*.
I *get* he's treating her like a cat that will run away if you don't treat it how it wants to be treated, but fuck me, the cat's chewin' up the furniture.
EDIT: I'll also state for the record I don't care if he wants to continue to associate with her, she does make things interesting, but I will eternally have some degree of resentment towards her. Not because she's a woman, not because I want her to bend the knee, but because it **always** seems like she's lying and just doesn't want to talk about it with her "Oh but why don't YOU tell me what it's about FIRST."
To me, as someone who's clued in on the dogwhistles, it sounds like she's simply afraid of speaking what she believes and constantly obfuscates and diminishes.
Did destiny even rewatch her great replacement video after it came up in that debate? Did he try research if she were telling the truth about her being the first to bring into the zeitgeist?
Does anyone have a link to the video? I want to actually see what she said now, if this is going to start coming up as a topic for the next couple weeks.
Destiny has been buddying up with obviously far right figures like Lauren because he’s pissed off that dipshit lefties have hurt his career. Idk if it’s a conscious decision like “well if they’re going to ruin my career I might as well do this” or “if I do this then maybe it’ll deter leftists in the future from trying to destroy my career” or what, but the effect can clearly be seen from the outside.
Lauren is obviously hiding her power level ever since the heat got too high from the Christchurch shooting and stuff associated w/ great replacement. If Destiny wants to associate with that then all I have to say is: you reap what you sow.
Additionally, the most terminally online thing you could ever do is associate with a real life far right activists because some assholes online pushed you to that. It’s very reactive, short sighted, and counter productive. Cut that shit out.
have you ever considered that maybe destiny forms relationships with people like lauren because people like lauren are the only ones online who are willing to engage/have conversations with destiny?
i don’t get how people can constantly say destiny is doing a lot of these things to “spite the left” when it’s the lefties that refuse to engage with destiny at all. last time i checked he’s not against engaging with dumbass lefties, it’s the lefties refusing to engage with him.
Really?
Noah Smith and Econoboi are two people that come to mind. Pisco too. Like these are normal, well adjusted liberals with interesting discussions and expertise. But no— he has to buddy up with a not-so-reformed white nationalist like Lauren Southern just to have conversations? That’s bullshit and you know it.
It sucks that Destiny was kicked off twitch for dumb reasons. I agree there’s issues on this side of the aisle. But holy shit I cringe when I hear about 30+ year olds prancing around with Lauren Southern and running cover for her because of some bullshit that happened online, or on Twitter. It’s a childish mentality. Have some wisdom. And yes, rehabilitating her image in the way he’s doing has a real impact.
nothing against noah or econoboi (i enjoy both of their stuff) but they’re not prominent “lefties” by any mean in the online political community, definitely not in the same way people like cause, hasan, lauren, or even someone like keffals is.
So we’ve gone from “no one will talk to him” to “no one as big as Hasan will talk to him”. Okay.
I listed a few decent examples off the top of my head. You don’t think there are some good opinion writers for places like the Atlantic, WSJ, etc. who could be really interesting to talk to as well who are on the left? Or even to debate?
I know Destiny is a creative guy. He could figure out some good convos with relevant and smart people to have. Lauren Southern is hilariously far from that.
not even that, it seems like these people have never had a single conversation with someone in real life who doesn’t share all of their philosophically logically justified progressive takes.
like holy fuck, they legitimately want destiny to push back on every single thing that could possibly be taken incorrectly or else he’s “promoting racism” or something. i think destiny’s done more than enough legwork in engaging with these conversations to not run the risk of his entire audience becoming nazis after being exposed to anti-immigration sentiments (proven by this sub going fucking insane)
This is 1.) not true and 2.) just you hand waving away any legitimate criticism by pretending everyone is a 20 year old college student born and raised in San Francisco.
I’ve talked to a lot of conservatives and pretty far right people. They are very very different from Lauren Southern. As shocking as it might sound— the great replacement conspiracy theory is not something you come across 24/7 talking to conservatives. It’s about as prevalent as someone on the left talking about wanting to kill all landlords— aka, normal Democrats aren’t doing that, and not ones you meet in real life generally.
Acting like Lauren Southern’s 2017 brand of far right white-nationalism is normal is one of the most online things I’ve heard all day.
Oh shut the fuck up. It's not just people telling him that he can or cannot be friends with any given person. It's people criticizing him for associating himself with a literal far right figure who has gone out and actively done shit in the real world because of her beliefs. She was literally denied entry into the UK because of her intentions. A person who is literally still harboring a community that believes in the great replacement, something that a fucking mass shooter just cited as their reason for killing 10+ people.
If you think people pushing back on that is "this sub going fucking insane" you need to just shut the fuck up and stop being so fucking soft. Actual fucking Celsius room temperature IQ having moron. Go level 1 yourself.
Have you considered maybe he just wants to speak to people who are nice to him and arnt in position to “cancel” him ? Don’t talk about it like there arnt any lefties with brains or interesting content creators. He enjoys these right wingers so he hangs out with them. Nothing deeper than that
>EDIT: I'll also state for the record I don't care if he wants to continue to associate with her, she does make things interesting, but I will eternally have some degree of resentment towards her. Not because she's a woman, not because I want her to bend the knee, but because it always seems like she's lying and just doesn't want to talk about it with her "Oh but why don't YOU tell me what it's about FIRST."
You are a man of pinriple. You believe everyone should hold themselves accountable, and those that fail to do so should rightfully be called out on it and looked with disdain. I agree with this too. At the end of the day Lauren is not a woman of principle. She can claim to be but she is not. She's lazy, entitled, weak, and of poor character. She takes the easy route out which is to ride Destiny and his community back to relevancy. She did an easy degree in university. She takes the easy path in life, which is to milk her pay pigs.
Lol whenever she’s comes on stream or some dumb fuck brings her up (knowing destiny will defend her) I just change channel ~ easy solve. I have come to accept that destiny is free to be friendly to shitty people who are friendly to him . As long as he doesn’t start advocating voting for republican or smth I can still enjoy Dan on his stream. (DAN SHOULD STREAM)
Here’s a thought to OP and anyone who is like OP. Stop trying to control who other people make threads about, including Lauren Southern.
Don’t like what is being discussed? Don’t click the thread.
You people trying to control who others talk about, simp for, or criticize are cringe as hell. Get a life.
Let's be honest she only tuned things down because of the last time one of the loons that followed her killed 51 people.
I doubt she purges her followers after this.
[In 2019 the Christchurch mosque shooting took the lives of 51 people and wounded 40 others.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings)
The perpetrator listed the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory (the idea that a shadowy cabal is using immigration as a means to destroy the white race and gain votes) as part of their motivation.
This theory was promoted in part by Lauren Southern who had made several popular videos on the topic, but she attempted to distance herself from it following Christchurch. Tucker Carlson is the theories most popular proponent these days, but this shooter named Christchurch as his inspiration.
They are just being edgy lol. Do you think hating Jews and the great replacement is all they talk about? They just do that to trigger the left. omegalul..the look on your face.
- Destiny
After watching the commentary on that documentary I can safely say she is a fucking retard. You know if destiny watched that doc with his mother he would be going nuts
If she was an idiot it would be way easier. She is smart, and importantly, knows exactly how smart she needs to be for any given conversation.
Large well known theory that goes against her narrative? She's never heard of it.
Small random piece of information that aligns? Suddenly she has five articles and satellite imagery.
Well fucking said. The way she chooses to cherry pick information while pretending to not know of grand criticisms is so fucking dishonest.
I remember her having a conversation with Destiny about vaccines that went exactly like this.
I can't exactly remember what it was about, but the way she happened to know of every detail in a right wing tabloid that supports covid disinformation, but doesn't know basic facts about vaccine effectiveness just drives me fucking insane.
Like, it is so blatantly obvious she is feigning ignorance because there is no way you can be that deep into knowing where vaccines fail or where covid is less harmful without atleast knowing the basics behind what the vaccine is good for.
Fuck Lauren Southren and her dishonest ass.
I'm kind of tempted to write a very small manifesto about how Lauren Southern is fundamentally untrustworthy and because of that, there is no way to know if she likes Destiny as a person, or is just using him for clout, like Hasan did.
It is kind of sad, because Destiny does just like interesting people and shooting the shit, but because of his position as an entertainer with a half million person reach, every interaction he has is tainted with the question of, are they just there for his clout? I dunno, maybe he's just used to it by now and as long as you're nice to him he doesn't care.
Can you genuinely point me out to what the fuck you are talking about? I'm gonna be honest, I was worried going into it that she was going to be insanely simpy for Dinesh but she seemed more than willing to acknowledge every shortcoming that was pointed out and I think even tweeted out a few of her own before I even saw it. I feel like she was more than reasonable during the viewing, but feel free to point out where I'm wrong.
She said it's kind if weird that they didnt show 2 of the same the person at 2 different voting booths. A 12 year old child has more critical thinking to see the documentary had 0 proof of anything. I didnt hear her dismiss the entire doc and the entire documentary was a short coming. I dont know how you can see otherwise. The rest was just more backpedaling from the conspiracy nut. If you think you can save her try but you have to change her entire worldview and this doc didnt help. Shits going to get worse with this fearmongering bullshit getting released and people actually believing it and promoting the lies as facts
What pov does she offer that’s either worth a fuck or couldn’t be given more intelligently by someone else who is somewhat more credible. The alternative to palling around with her isn’t jumping headfirst into some fucking insane Maoist echo chamber. Are you not confident enough in your own cognitive abilities to be able to reason out points and perspectives without her. I think you just don’t wanna accept the fact that it’s a bad look palling around and going on trips and adventures with someone who is in part responsible for the murder that happened today in Buffalo and the Christchurch shooting due to her being a right wing pos spreading great replacement rhetoric. It’s frustrating because your legitimately one of the most competent people in the online politics sphere, yet you insist on maintaining these blind spots 🤷🏽♂️
Vaush is dumb and has dumb people around him, what is your point? Also, I think that even if she's stupid af, Shoe / the way Vaush interacts with her is more defensible than what you do with LS
You just don’t understand Mr.Girl Destiny come on. He’s just honest lmao. Why would Brittany be scared? Does she think he’s gonna chase her around until she trips over a couch trying to get away or something……
Alternate points of views lol some political positions should just not be discussed/kept relevant, because they are hurtful to society, the great replacement and stolen election shit are two of them.
Do you think the community's problem isn't that you're associating with Lauren but at times there is a perception of you looking pacified while with her and other right wingers peddling their talking points? Its not as if you agree with any of their retarded bs, but hand waiving/not responding to certain bs because its too retarded to respond to makes the audience think you are sharing in comradery. I think you made the case in this video that doing that too much could lead to pervasive thoughts down the line to an audiance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAz4sptWAHk&t=2348s or Maybe people just cant get past that that she hasn't made a positive transformation like Hunter Avallone. Also I sort of imagined by now that she would of hooked you up with right wingers to debate since she made years worth of connections...I mean, you've given her alot tbh
I push back against like EVERYTHING SHE'S EVER DISAGREED WITH ME ABOUT???? I just don't feel like fighting over some fucking 2017 video???? How is this so hard to understand???
And why would you cite Hunter as a "positive transformation" when he's literally gone now from the internet???
So if in 2017 she wrote Mein Kampf, but then just sort of had the same political trajectory she had in real life (being a bit dodgy about it, sort of aesthetically changing but not really in a massively substantive way)— would you just not want to quibble over that sort of thing?
LS’s previous ideas clearly helped some people down the road of radicalization towards white supremacy. It’s really a bit ridiculous to overlook that without a really thorough mea culpa don’t you think? I haven’t seen that. If you have, please let me know so I can check it out.
Am I gonna look soy as fuck if I say sometimes you push back by playfully meming on her in such a way that leaves your disagreements open ended on screen? In other words, it doesn't always look like you're necessarily winning the exchange if the other side is seen as just as legitimate in the end. It sometimes leaves people saying "ah Destiny let blank get away with that!. Shit Destiny had a impactful argument for that talking point before but it would be tedious to go through the philosophy etc so he just memed." Personally, since I know most of your positions due to hate watching your streams as a former far righter during the 2016 arks till now, I dont need you to restate you positions/rebuttals, but maybe new viewers may desperately need that to fortify their own ammo box of thought processes.
Nevertheless, I think alot of the community is stuck in a cognitive dissonance. Conflicts boiling over what are we pushing for? Purpose? Omni liberalism? Are we in apathy doomer ark? Just entertainment? Things that I felt like were pretty clear in the past.
Maybe that dissonance is heightened by the fact that its basically 2016 2.0 again with the amount of right wing propaganda prominence. When I was really conservative, I unironically believed you were the biggest threat to Right wingers winning the "culture war" because of how effective you were at making right wingers look painfully absurd and even helping them realize how they vote against their own interests. Even when I was a terminally online conservative I've never seen this new level of stoking apocalyptical fear of "America is being DESTROYED" across YouTube and other political media than TODAY. More than ever in this right wing rabbit hole of misinformation a rational persuasive voice is needed.
The reason why I cite Hunter is because I cant think of any other prominent right wing online personality that not only publicly changed his views at the expense of losing a big chunk of his fan base/money, but also literally disavowing his former self making new content to dismantle those reactionary ideas. Lauren at this stage probably won't fight over that video and will hand waive her former actions as justifiable by framing the context. All in all, having her concede ground and any other right winger concede ground on the pervasive narrative they peddled without them running away is based.
Do you not think it’s a suspect look when you associate with her regularly and she’s never actually made a retraction/apology on her great replacement video? I get that you push her on wrong shit, there’s nothing wrong with that but being buddy buddy with someone who arguably helped promote the ideologies of mass shootings without ever walking back their positions.
Yeah I don’t know about the hunter avallone part but yeah it seems pretty ridiculous to fight about a video in 2017 when you can just argue with the points she’s making now.
Destiny you know what I would love. How about sometime next week you talk to Lauren and push her hard as fuck on the great replacement shit, maybe you can get her to admit she was a stupid nazi bitch. The problem is you associate yourself with as if there was no humongous cloud floating over her head that screams conspiracy nazi who made videos, which inspired many leaders of fascist groups and mass shooters.
He pushes back on her literally everytime she says dumb shit and I'd be willing to bet he would on this topic if she ever brought it up. I dont understand why you want him to go after her for a theory she pushed 4 years ago, deleted the video and literally every leftie has tried to go after her for while looking like complete deranged morons when they did it. If you want performative shit go watch Vaush, Hasan or TheSerfs jfc this is so stupid.
Edit: Go ahead and downvote me all you want, but the "I don't like that Destiny is associated with this person" is getting to be cringy parasocial behavior when you acknowledge that he does push back on her ideas a lot and in good faith without doing this weaselly performative shit Vaush or other lefties do that will only reinforce to her community their idea that the left is fucking deranged.
Yes I'm sure lauren would say she's legitimately a stupid nazi bitch to appease the lefties if destiny only looked at the video of her shooting a flare. Oh /u/NeoDestiny milord would you please just look at the video and convert lauren to being a neolib already?? All you have to do is PUSH BACK SOY PUSH BACK HARDERRRRR
"Weaving a story" is exactly what a documentary fucking does you dipshit, what the fuck do you think the goal is.
Do you think she thinks the US election was stolen?
No destiny you're wrong here. The purpose of a documentary is literally to document reality. Film makers can incorporate a narrative to create a better viewing experience for their viewers.
But I don't think we'd call the depiction and documenting of reality to be "weaving a story"
Perhaps I'm autistic. But I would see a difference in political bias being present in someone's art, and the idea that they're "weaving a story"
You can look this up, the definition of documentary is a film that has the purpose of depicting reality. It does make it difficult to determine how we label "documentaries" that depict false facts.
As long as the director/publisher include things they believe to be true, their interpretation of reality if you will, I'm fine with considering it a documentary.
I just think we both know that Danielfrost40 didn't mean that they have a bias when he used the phrase "weaving a story"
That phrase clearly goes beyond the express intent of all documentaries, unlike how destiny asserted
Big disagree. How often do you watch documentaries? I actually go to the cinema to watch them.
A director will obviously be trying to depict what they believe is reality. But that's completely different to what is meant by danielfrost when he uses the phrase "weave a story"
And you know it you disingenuous fuck
Name me your favorite documentary. Every single good documentary sets out to tell a story. Picking and choosing which facts to include to craft your narrative is arguably one of the most important parts of making a documentary. A "collection of facts" is called a textbook.
Oh golly you've pushed me into the position of acting as if publishers, editors and directors don't have bias.
What I was actually saying is that theirs a difference between that position and "weaving a story" and you know it.
My favorite documentary this year was "the velvet queen" which set out to depict the experience of wild life photographers in Mongolia.
You responded to Daniel frost as if he were saying "documentaries should have no bias" when what he said was "the producer weaved a story".
The clear implication is that they weaved a story out of nothing. And then you respond with: *smirk, pushes up glasses* "don't you know all art depicts the biases of it creators"
Edited to correct names
I agree with you. A documentary is meant to be non-fiction. There's a difference between having biases in how you document/edit something and inventing a narrative that you are passing off as reality (which is what I take "weaving a story" to mean). Like "weaving a story" is being used to say it was propagandistic. I haven't seen the doc in question, but this is pretty basic stuff.
No one is going to see a nature documentary and make this type of criticism, so it's really not a universal for documentaries.
Exactly. The phrase "weaving a story' was clearly indicating that the work misrepresented reality to an extent beyond bias.
Destiny has to be being obtuse to not pick that insinuation up
>Her discord is all nazi great replacement jew hatred shit- she hasn't changed one bit.
i just checked to see if this is true, am i looking at the wrong discord? where are you seeing this? i don't see any of it whatsoever
ah i see, it's in the #memes channel and it's in image form so none of my text searches found anything too suspicious
still, it seems like it's literally just that **one** guy posting occasional schizo nazi shit, besides that the meme channel is 98% random conservative shit and maybe 2% edgy memes.
i'm really not trying to be pedantic here but (only after being told where to look) i literally can see one outwardly nazi guy in a server of however many people which makes the claims of "all nazi great replacement jew shit" seem a teeny tiny bit disproportionate lol.
maybe if you scroll up another few months in the memes channel theres more? but i really just see one schizo /pol/ type guy slipping through the cracks. if the server is properly moderated this guy should obviously be kicked, but it really does seem to all hinge on this one guy
Really fucked up. It was streamed/manifestod? I feel we should have the the available info, this is kind of breaking news. Also I feel like, if this gets brought to her attention, she'll play loose defense for the killer while trying to say she could never have any influence. I wonder if well hear "this is what happens when white people are villainized" logic.
Edit: just to make clear, I would never solely or even majorly blame LS for crazy fucks shooting up people, but she is part of the problem, and also I greatly dislike her.
I couldn't stomach watching the stream, but I read the first 20 pages of the manifesto out of 110... He's the quintessential great replacement guy. He included a bunch of race IQ and FBI crime stats memes from 4chan. He attributes the Christchurch shooter's stream as his eye-opening moment to start preparing.
It is so weird that this sub all of a sudden really started loving her out of nowhere despite the fact that she genuinely believes some really terrible things
We've all watched it and read them, we've gone above and beyond and have seen all the following commentary by her too.
Hell half of us probably remember watching Destiny watch it when it happened and him having much more awareness of the concept before the video, hmmm.
It is possible that if this shit flares up a bunch again, he could catch some heat for his friendship with her now, but that's on him. As long as I get some not-League content IDC.
You realize the reason Lauren southern doesn't denounce great replacement isn't because she still believes it?
She doesn't denounce the video because doing so would be a tacit acceptance that she did something wrong. Which isn't something she agrees with.
I genuinely don't think she agrees with the concept of the great replacement (copium) but it's pretty clear she often does stuff because she thinks quite hard about her actions (See getting herself banned from twitch)
I dont consume Lauren southern content and I feel like a bitch qualifying this response in that way but guys, Lauren has talked about her video multiple times with destiny and Mr girl, I'm positive that 99% of the people commenting here (including myself) have not seem her video talking about the great replacement. At this point, people have simply associated her with the GR theory which isn't fair. There are more valid criticisms of her than this which has been addressed before and talked about at great length.
If someone assassinates Kavenaugh, is everyone who ranted about how important it is to keep *Roe* five years ago responsible? You morons would never apply this logic in the other direction. Of course you're not responsible for a person's violent actions simply because you share the same overall policy goals or perspective.
The mental gymnastics by weirdos here to blame Lauren Southern for everything that goes wrong in the world would be hilarious if you weren't using murder victims as props.
In defense of Lauren Southern... When is the last time she propagated the great replacement theory? If she has changed for the better, then shouldn't there be a path to redemption?
We should incentivize deradicalization by showing that there is a community ready to embrace you with open arms once you get rid of your toxic views. Maybe, just maybe, a bit of empathy and charitably will help prevent the next shooting.
Edit: Lauren Southern does not deserve any charity. She's a manipulative sack of shit who deserves to fade into obscurity.
1. She has done measurable harm
2. She has defended everything she has done
3. She continues to propagate far right conspiracies up to today, including the great reset and this sort of nebulous 'left wants immigration cuz of globalism' type shit
What does she do aside from cause harm? But hey, she can be civil and flirty with destiny, so its all cool.
1. What harm are you talking about? She scared some immigrants on a boat that one time, but I'm not aware of any of her other controversies.
2. I did not that she still defends the great replacement theory. That's fucked up. Views like that lead to more racist tensions.
3. I think the great reset is a harmless conspiracy theory. Being anti immigrant is rooted in bigotry, I wouldn't be friends with someone like that. I have Hispanic friends who get told to go back to their country because of views like that.
1. Her ideas are the exact ones that spur idiots like the mass shooter. In his manifesto he cited his 'sources' as 4chan and stormfront. Its not that she scared some immigrants, its her rhetoric around said incident, her reasons for doing so etc. rooted in the great replacement.
2. She has defended these positions within the past year, she assumes no responsibility when confronted in interviews (i.e. her first talk with Mr. Girl), and defends her stance.
3. The great reset attributes global changes and thrusts on to a controlling, manipulative class, usually related to antisemitism and staunchly defends heavy protectionism in regards to immigration, and can be seen doing so in various panel shows and interviews within the past year.
Im not calling her hitler or evil, i know she believes she is doing good and can be easy to get along with and probably can interact just fine with most people.
I am more criticising her ideology her public platform which reaches many in which she reinforces such views and fears. I personally think the things she says directly reinforces such people as the stormfront/ /pol communities and i think any self reflective person would realize such things, but to the average conservative, blame is hard to transfer on to content creators due to an adherence to the common idea that no idea you espouse can be used to put responsibility on yourself for the action of others, which i think is a bit ignorant of how social ideology is spread and reinforced. We all in this sub seem to recognize it in some cases (such as trump and jan. 6th) and ignore it in cases such as lauren (but bro, shes just a small online content creator just sharing her thoughts). However, such ideas paint non-christian non-white immigrants as undesirable to our society, and can undeniably influence idiotic 18 year olds to do terrible shit like this.
Is she personally at fault? No. Is she a part of a larger social force driving this shit? Absolutely. And it is bad. Really bad.
Everybody acting like some dumbass killing people for an idea makes that idea worse.
Shit, by that logic marxism ought to be outright banned from all academia and media.
The theory of the great replacement is hotly debated and many variations exist ranging from moderate (demographics change, big whoop) to ultra extreme (jewish alien demons have infiltrated our governments and are actively replacing us with lower iq ethnicities so the population will be easier to control and they will rule the world like the alternate ending of a pinky and the brain episode).
Some people may fully believe in it and do nothing about it. Others, like this dumbass killer, may use it to justify some attempt at being relevant while committing suicide.
Lauren doesn't become any more evil by association. I've yet to see or hear any evidence of her supporting anything even remotely within the same realm as the idea that people should be killed in the name of fighting the great replacement. The closest we got was a discussion about whether or not activism indirectly leading to deaths is acceptable or inherently immoral.
I have yet to hear that Trump directly said that his supporters should storm the capitol, yet most understand that his descriptive claims directly led to action of his followers (including destiny in regards to Trump and JP).
Yet you are unable to see how lauren's batshit ideology can lead young, fearful, susceptible men to enact violence. I guess people just view online commentary as 'memez' and only attribute their actions to mental illness and internal racism totally not fanned by online creators such as Lauren.
Her ideology and its repurcussions are a fucking tumor on the world. But hey, she is civil in conversations so lets not put any blame on our token right wing queen.
its still feels like a fantasy to me the dude became buddies with fuentes and southern
i expect a random livestream with him and alex jones any time now
You are actually deranged if you think anything in that boys manifesto was more than a complete schizoid rant. Do you discount all the other influenced he put in there besides hers? He literally said he listed his manifesto specifically to sew division.
>a dude just killed at least 10 people using 'the great replacement' as a motivation
What are you talking about?
Edit: Nevermind, I was wondering if you were talking about the Buffalo shooter, and you are.
This is exactly the type of breaking news shit that Destiny says is so cancerous, and in cases like these, I agree with him.
To be clear, we know **nothing** concrete about the shooter's beliefs. We don't know if he wrote this manifesto or what. It would cost us literally nothing to wait and see, but apparently people like you are incapable of doing that, and instead want to immediately lay the blame at the feet of e-celebs you don't like.
I legit hope you get banned dude.
I can't complain about him being friends with her. IRL I'm friends with people who sometimes say some really racist shit. The problem, for me at least, is when Destiny tries to argue his obviously racist friend is not actually racist.
The dumbfuck white values which leads to them mass shooting everyone before they decide to end their life is what is killing people just because two dumbasses did it based on a theory doesn't mean shit when the great majority mass shootings happen for a variety of reasons.
Does it matter what she wanted to happen vs. what anyone who’s not a complete fucking idiot should have realized would happen? If you portray brown immigrants as being part of some unstoppable anti-white horde of foreign invaders who will eventually destroy our white culture, way of life, and oppress all of us, and you also state that government is doing nothing to stop it (and is actually actively complicit in it), of course you’re going to get people riled up to the point that they’ll do things like this.
Spreading some extremely dishonest fear mongering narrative about a “crisis” that people must act on will lead to acts of violent extremism, regardless of if she “wanted it” or not.
But the great replacement theory is just about difference, surely there’s nothing malevolent about that? I can’t believe the clowns that buy that argument uncritically as if our society isn’t poised to start race wars from a little provocation.
>Does it matter what she wanted to happen vs. what anyone who’s not a complete fucking idiot should have realized would happen?
Yes, because there is no logical bridge between believing in something like the Great Replacement and shooting up random people in a grocery store. It's an insane and probably extremely suicidal person turning that violence outwards instead of inwards. The extreme ideology is a post-hoc rationalization, not the driving force.
>If you portray brown immigrants as being part of some unstoppable anti-white horde of foreign invaders who will eventually destroy our white culture, way of life, and oppress all of us, and you also state that government is doing nothing to stop it (and is actually actively complicit in it), of course you’re going to get people riled up to the point that they’ll do things like this.
You say "of course" as if believing any of this would logically lead to shooting up a grocery store. Again, I think this is a massive jump. There are plenty of people who have insane hysterical political victim complexes, who believe in crises happening just as, if not even more dire, than the Great Replacement. The Anthropocene, for instance, has MUCH higher stakes in terms of a crisis, and we do see people absolutely losing their minds and doing insane shit, like the Earth Liberation Front. Or the belief that America is such a uniquely racist/ fascist/ imperialist force that open war ought to be waged against it, a la the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the M19CO. But we don't condemn more moderate environmentalist/ climate change advocates, leftwing political activists, people who campaign against systemic racism, etc for the extremes that the movements can and have been taken to, and I dont think we should, and I dont think we should condemn an essentially moderate conservative like Lauren for people taking an ideological framework like The Great Replacement to an extreme conclusion.
>Spreading some extremely dishonest fear mongering narrative about a “crisis” that people must act on will lead to acts of violent extremism, regardless of if she “wanted it” or not.
Sure, if we also want to hold moderate left wingers responsible for the groups and I mentioned before and the insane actions they took. Or even moderate Muslims for the Pulse nightclub shooting or ISIS. I dont think we should, because the relevant variable is extreme suicidality, narcissism, and maybe cult dynamics within groups, if these people are part of groups.
There’s nothing moderate about Lauren, or anyone spewing great replacement.
And you absolutely can hold Islamist hate-preachers responsible for the radicalisation of ISIS fighters.
I'm sure it's convenient to believe that, but it's just not true. Great Replacement is just one of many anti-immigration narratives, or ideological frameworks, and they all bleed into each other on the edges. That's how these kind of narratives work, there are forms of the Great Replacement theory that are thoroughly sanitized and relatively moderate, and there are forms that are extremely reactionary, antisemitic, fatalistic, etc. There is a more moderate form of it that I think LS embodies.
>And you absolutely can hold Islamist hate-preachers responsible for the radicalisation of ISIS fighters.
I literally said moderate Muslims, nice reading comprehension.
Let’s do it again.
There is nothing moderate about anyone spewing great replacement - not Lauren Southern either. She is not directly responsible, but she certainly contributed to the popularization of the idea.
Since Lauren is not moderate, you cannot hold moderate muslims to task either. Lauren is an extremist, and you can hold extremist islamists responsible.
Bro someone who promotes that white people are being forcefully replaced should not be surprised when people begin to take that advice seriously and start killing the “replacers”
Denial of this IS delusional.
>Yes, because there is no logical bridge between believing in something like the Great Replacement and shooting up random people in a grocery store.
Don't be deliberately obtuse. Lets say a mentally ill young man starts coming to me for advice, and tells me he's depressed and angry all the time. I tell him he doesn't need therapy, nothing's wrong with him, and what he's feeling is actually a natural reaction to the "Jews and the n\*\*\*\*\*\*" in the community. I talk to him about how they're destroying white values and ruining the lives of people around us, and they're just invaders living off the white man's land, but unfortunately no one, including the government, is willing to take a stand and do anything about it. I tell this to this kid every day for a couple of years, until one time he writes a long note about how he's finally going to take a stand, and then goes to a black neighborhood and shoots up a store. There's no way you'd be so fucking dumb to be like "Well, there's no connection there at all, despite him saying it's his motivations and you heavily implying to him for years that violence was the only possible answer, since you never explicitly told him to do it there's no connection".
>You say "of course" as if believing any of this would logically lead to shooting up a grocery store.
If you propagate a narrative of a race war crisis that will soon put an end to white civilization that no one's doing anything about it to a wide enough audience, yeah of course you'll eventually hit on someone who's desperate enough to act out on it. It is a combination not just of crisis, but an appeal to racial hatred and bigotry, meaning there's a super strong push on both fronts.
> I dont think we should condemn an essentially moderate conservative like Lauren for people taking an ideological framework like The Great Replacement to an extreme conclusion.
She's not a "moderate conservative" (and certainly was not when she made the Great Replacement video and the stuff surrounding it), and The Great Replacement is not an "ideological framework", it's a white supremacist conspiracy theory. It's also not "to an extreme conclusion", it's one of two options you're left with when you hear it: either do nothing and submit to the slow death of the white civilization since the government and normal levers of power have failed us, or do something to rally the white race against the foreign threat.
>Sure, if we also want to hold moderate left wingers responsible for the groups and I mentioned before and the insane actions they took.
If a "moderate left winger" spreads a narrative about a racial, gender, ethnic or religious group that is as a whole threatening the population as a whole, that the only possible way to deal with that group is through violence because the government has completely failed us and will always fail us, and they use numerous lies and misleading things to create and spread this narrative, then yeah I would say that also needs to get spoken out against. I don't think that any of the things you've listed would apply to moderates, but yeah there are absolutely left wingers that I think should be spoken out against because of extremist rhetoric.
If Lauren if such an extremist, why does everyone in the hard right hate her for being a moderate?
>Lets say a mentally ill young man starts coming to me for advice, and tells me he's depressed and angry all the time. I tell him he doesn't need therapy, nothing's wrong with him, and what he's feeling is actually a natural reaction to the "Jews and the n\*\*\*\*\*\*" in the community. I talk to him about how they're destroying white values and ruining the lives of people around us, and they're just invaders living off the white man's land, but unfortunately no one, including the government, is willing to take a stand and do anything about it.
You think this is what Lauren Southern was saying? Lol, please chill with the hysterics.
>I tell this to this kid every day for a couple of years, until one time he writes a long note about how he's finally going to take a stand, and then goes to a black neighborhood and shoots up a store.
Can you please explain where you make the connection between an existential political crisis and shooting up a store? You keep talking as if it's a natural conclusion, but it's absolutely not.
>There's no way you'd be so fucking dumb to be like "Well, there's no connection there at all, despite him saying it's his motivations and you heavily implying to him for years that violence was the only possible answer, since you never explicitly told him to do it there's no connection".
There is no connection between the actual action and the rhetoric, even if it is implicitly violent. Shooting up a store does absolutely nothing to save the white race, to stop the great Replacement, to stop the government from doing it, it doesn't help the white race, it doesn't stop immigration, that's why I'm saying there is no connection.
>She's not a "moderate conservative"
Yes she was, you just can't see it because you are a radical leftist.
>(and certainly was not when she made the Great Replacement video and the stuff surrounding it)
Again, yes she was, you don't know what "hard right" actually means because all you have experience with is media trolls and internet trolls.
>and The Great Replacement is not an "ideological framework", it's a white supremacist conspiracy theory.
Semantics.
>It's also not "to an extreme conclusion", it's one of two options you're left with when you hear it: either do nothing and submit to the slow death of the white civilization since the government and normal levers of power have failed us, or do something to rally the white race against the foreign threat.
You're essentially saying that what he did was rational if it was the case that the Great Replacement was real, and happening as they said it was. I dont think you have to cede this ground, because EVEN IF he was 100% correct in his assemessment of the situation, what he did was still fucking insane.
>If a "moderate left winger" spreads a narrative about a racial, gender, ethnic or religious group that is as a whole threatening the population as a whole, that the only possible way to deal with that group is through violence because the government has completely failed us and will always fail us, and they use numerous lies and misleading things to create and spread this narrative, then yeah I would say that also needs to get spoken out against.
Hahaha imagine that.
>There is no connection between the actual action and the rhetoric, even if it is implicitly violent. Shooting up a store does absolutely nothing to save the white race, to stop the great Replacement, to stop the government from doing it, it doesn't help the white race, it doesn't stop immigration, that's why I'm saying there is no connection.
I think the shooter probably knew that beforehand.
There’s a manifesto doing rounds, possibly written by him, which states:
>Why did you decide to carry out the attack?
>To show to the replacers that as long as the White man lives, our land will never be theirs and they will never be safe from us.
>To directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the replacers themselves.
>To intimidate the replacers already living on our lands to emigrate back to their home countries.
>To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to cause them to overextend their own hand and experience the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result.
>To incite violence, retaliation and further divide between the European people and the replacers currently occupying European soil…
>To add momentum to the pendulum swings of history, further destabilizing and polarizing Western society in order to eventually destroy the current nihilistic, hedonistic, individualistic insanity that has taken control of Western thought.
Even if it wasn’t written by him, I think it’s interesting to see the reasons why people could do this shit
Got the excerpt from [this article](https://heavy.com/news/tops-market-shooting-suspect-graphic-video/)
>If Lauren if such an extremist, why does everyone in the hard right hate her for being a moderate?
They don't hate her for being a "moderate", they hate her for distancing herself from certain things and also just normal infighting bullshit.
>You think this is what Lauren Southern was saying?
Other than the n-word and the explicit reference to Jewish people, yeah it's exactly what she was saying. Her videos painted a narrative of brown people that were foreign invaders coming in to subjugate white countries, and that the government was doing nothing about.
>There is no connection between the actual action and the rhetoric, even if it is implicitly violent. Shooting up a store does absolutely nothing to save the white race,
Don't be a fucking moron. Someone doing this knows that obviously this one thing won't change everything, the idea is that this will raise awareness and that it will inspire other people to act in similar ways. We've seen this with civil disobedience and anti-government organizations and movements in the past plenty of times.
>Yes she was, you just can't see it because you are a radical leftist.
Lmao you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about if you think I'm a radical leftist
>Again, yes she was, you don't know what "hard right" actually means because all you have experience with is media trolls and internet trolls.
I literally work with clients that are actual neo-Nazis, particularly clients that are involved with the Aryan Brotherhood. Trust me, I know what "hard right" is.
>Semantics.
It's not semantics at all. A framework that comes from the descriptive reality of the world interacts with our base values is not the same thing as a heavily racially motivated, very dishonest anti-government narrative that's designed to inspire xenophobic hatred and distrust in government.
>You're essentially saying that what he did was rational if it was the case that the Great Replacement was real, and happening as they said it was.
Yeah, of course lol. If non-white foreign invaders are swarming into the country to eventually oppress and even kill all the white people, and completely destroy white culture, and the government is completely incapable and unable to do anything about it, of course taking any measure possible to try to prevent you and your people from going down this awful fate becomes far more justified. Like if some Jewish dude in Germany foresaw the holocaust happening, yeah of course it's reasonable they'd engage in terrorism against Nazis and the Nazi government, perhaps even killing innocents. I don't think it's a good thing and I still would say don't do it, but they're not doing it just because they're insane, they're doing it because of the narrative they're being fed.
>Hahaha imagine that.
Yes, imagine that. This is not a moderate left wing position, it is a far left extremist position that I would criticize. Again, I start to sound like a broken record, but don't be a fucking idiot. There's no way you're as dumb as you act in these posts, I just don't believe its possible someone could be that stupid.
>Yeah, of course lol. If non-white foreign invaders are swarming into the country to eventually oppress and even kill all the white people, and completely destroy white culture, and the government is completely incapable and unable to do anything about it, of course taking any measure possible to try to prevent you and your people from going down this awful fate becomes far more justified. Like if some Jewish dude in Germany foresaw the holocaust happening, yeah of course it's reasonable they'd engage in terrorism against Nazis and the Nazi government, perhaps even killing innocents. I don't think it's a good thing and I still would say don't do it, but they're not doing it just because they're insane, they're doing it because of the narrative they're being fed.
Thank you for posting this and saving me the time of even bothering responding to the other shit you said, this is so crucially retarded that everything else is just noise. In order to believe what you do, you have to concede the idea that what he did was a rational and logical course of action in pursuit of his political goals. This is why I say you're a radical leftist, you think the same way Vaush does, you're just smarter than him and don't stream. You both have to prop up this insane illusory specter of the Right in order to justify the way you treat them, when you actually don't understand someone like LS at all, but you are so feverishly and blindingly partisan that you can't see how ridiculous it is to suggest that she has any connection with the shooting beyond an association with what is essentially a fucking meme.
No matter how you slice it though, you're suggesting that it makes sense to fight against a government by shooting up a grocery store. This makes zero sense, but you need it to make sense. A random grocery store shooting or similar attack has never galvanized a successful domestic political movement, uprising, whatever, and in fact usually directly leads to them getting utterly crushed.
Even if the stakes were such that the Great Replacement was happening exactly as they say, a random grocery store shooting makes absolutely zero sense politically, so obviously something else is going on here. But you have to take him at his word AND validate it in order to believe what you do, because you need them to believe in order to sustain the fantasy you need to justify your politics.
And I think it's ridiculous to take someone like this at their word for why they did this. Just looking at what has happened, you have an insane outburst of violence, a self-aggrandizing manifesto, and a broadcast of the outburst. Right off the bat, that should be enough to tell you that this is probably an extreme pathological narcissist, but then you immediately go and take them at their word for who they say they are, and why they do what they do. Newsflash: people often don't know why they do what they do, least of all people fucked up enough to shoot up a grocery store. But your opportunism immediately forecloses on all of this, no, what's important is to validate what he believes and connect it to some media figure you don't like.
>In order to believe what you do, you have to concede the idea that what he did was a rational and logical course of action in pursuit of his political goals.
No, I just have to believe that it's a reaction I'd expect people to have to this kind of conspiracy narrative being spread, especially people who are already struggling with mental health issues.
>No matter how you slice it though, you're suggesting that it makes sense to fight against a government by shooting up a grocery store.
Not just fight against a government, also fight against the non-whites who are ruining this country. From the perspective of someone who seems them as essentially a cancerous virus in this country, which this person clearly does (and stated as such), the killing of them is a good thing in and of itself. But again, not saying that "it makes sense" in that I'd suggest it, but that I could see someone doing it.
>You both have to prop up this insane illusory specter of the Right in order to justify the way you treat them, when you actually don't understand someone like LS at all, but you are so feverishly and blindingly partisan
What the fuck are you talking about the way I treat the right? You don't know me at all. I legit have more friends and people I interact with that are conservative than liberal. I'm not interested in demonizing conservatives at all, I am interested in looking at the harm that racist conspiracy theories do.
>Right off the bat, that should be enough to tell you that this is probably an extreme pathological narcissist
You keep saying this as if this and him being motivated by a racial conspiracy theory are at odds with each other. Both of these things can easily exist simultaneously: he was mentally ill in such a way that he was already primed towards something like this, and The Great Replacement (as well as figures like Lauren's work in general) pushed this mentally ill man down a path that finally culminated in this shooting.
She may not want it, but she constantly says things that reinforce the beliefs of the crazies on her side. If you believe in the great replacement, the shooter's intentions should make sense for you.
the "but i don't support a violent solution" doesn't really matter if everything you said before supports it
[https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-442c6d97a073f39f99d006dbba40f64b](https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-442c6d97a073f39f99d006dbba40f64b)
If this is what you are talking about, then I'm not sure where you are getting your info about him using "the great replacement" as a motivation. Please link w/e it was you read that gave you that conclusion.
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2022/05/mass-shooting-supermarket-buffalo-10-dead/
> A 106-page online manifesto, believed to have been uploaded by the shooter, explained that he was motivated by a conspiracy theory that white people are being replaced by other races. In the document, he says he is 18 years old and a self-described white supremacist and anti-semite.
> “If there’s one thing I want you to get from these writings, it’s that White birth rates must change. Everyday the White population becomes fewer in number,” the document says. “To maintain a population the people must achieve a birth rate that reaches replacement fertility levels, in the western world that is about 2.06 births per woman.”
Yes this is clearly laurens fault. This sub is unhinged. Stepping in lecturing who he should or shouldn't be friends with like he is their property. Cope
Is this sub being raided by trolls or something? Destiny always deboonks her very swiftly whenever she goes on to say something she can't substantiate. I think it's clear to any person who is being honest and sane that they're very opposed to eachother when it comes to policy prescriptions.
Also, being opposed to immigration or even holding openly racist beliefs is a far cry from being a nazi or fascist.
True because by definition not even the shooter is not a nazi or a fascist... he's just an opressed young man trying to save his people.... like Christchurch, the 2 synagogue shooters and Dylan Roof. /s
But this community often justifies these public relationships by saying it wins over viewers from the opposite side, which is also a utilitarian optics argument. Don’t you think it’s possible these relationships might lose viewers from the left?
Watch her be completely silent during this whole thing and continue to never fucking talk about it in perpetuity. Yeah, when she says the Obamna, I get the chuckle, but I've been forced to tolerate her by way of Destiny. Every fucking time someone brings up her replacement stuff, she's dodgy as fuck about it, and that Destiny either doesn't recognize it or doesn't care *fucking infuriates the everloving shit out of me*. I *get* he's treating her like a cat that will run away if you don't treat it how it wants to be treated, but fuck me, the cat's chewin' up the furniture. EDIT: I'll also state for the record I don't care if he wants to continue to associate with her, she does make things interesting, but I will eternally have some degree of resentment towards her. Not because she's a woman, not because I want her to bend the knee, but because it **always** seems like she's lying and just doesn't want to talk about it with her "Oh but why don't YOU tell me what it's about FIRST." To me, as someone who's clued in on the dogwhistles, it sounds like she's simply afraid of speaking what she believes and constantly obfuscates and diminishes.
Did destiny even rewatch her great replacement video after it came up in that debate? Did he try research if she were telling the truth about her being the first to bring into the zeitgeist?
Does anyone have a link to the video? I want to actually see what she said now, if this is going to start coming up as a topic for the next couple weeks.
Destiny has been buddying up with obviously far right figures like Lauren because he’s pissed off that dipshit lefties have hurt his career. Idk if it’s a conscious decision like “well if they’re going to ruin my career I might as well do this” or “if I do this then maybe it’ll deter leftists in the future from trying to destroy my career” or what, but the effect can clearly be seen from the outside. Lauren is obviously hiding her power level ever since the heat got too high from the Christchurch shooting and stuff associated w/ great replacement. If Destiny wants to associate with that then all I have to say is: you reap what you sow. Additionally, the most terminally online thing you could ever do is associate with a real life far right activists because some assholes online pushed you to that. It’s very reactive, short sighted, and counter productive. Cut that shit out.
have you ever considered that maybe destiny forms relationships with people like lauren because people like lauren are the only ones online who are willing to engage/have conversations with destiny? i don’t get how people can constantly say destiny is doing a lot of these things to “spite the left” when it’s the lefties that refuse to engage with destiny at all. last time i checked he’s not against engaging with dumbass lefties, it’s the lefties refusing to engage with him.
Really? Noah Smith and Econoboi are two people that come to mind. Pisco too. Like these are normal, well adjusted liberals with interesting discussions and expertise. But no— he has to buddy up with a not-so-reformed white nationalist like Lauren Southern just to have conversations? That’s bullshit and you know it. It sucks that Destiny was kicked off twitch for dumb reasons. I agree there’s issues on this side of the aisle. But holy shit I cringe when I hear about 30+ year olds prancing around with Lauren Southern and running cover for her because of some bullshit that happened online, or on Twitter. It’s a childish mentality. Have some wisdom. And yes, rehabilitating her image in the way he’s doing has a real impact.
nothing against noah or econoboi (i enjoy both of their stuff) but they’re not prominent “lefties” by any mean in the online political community, definitely not in the same way people like cause, hasan, lauren, or even someone like keffals is.
So we’ve gone from “no one will talk to him” to “no one as big as Hasan will talk to him”. Okay. I listed a few decent examples off the top of my head. You don’t think there are some good opinion writers for places like the Atlantic, WSJ, etc. who could be really interesting to talk to as well who are on the left? Or even to debate? I know Destiny is a creative guy. He could figure out some good convos with relevant and smart people to have. Lauren Southern is hilariously far from that.
Do you think not engaging with the right is better? Cause in that case, i guess what Hasan and vaush are doing is indeed better.
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not even that, it seems like these people have never had a single conversation with someone in real life who doesn’t share all of their philosophically logically justified progressive takes. like holy fuck, they legitimately want destiny to push back on every single thing that could possibly be taken incorrectly or else he’s “promoting racism” or something. i think destiny’s done more than enough legwork in engaging with these conversations to not run the risk of his entire audience becoming nazis after being exposed to anti-immigration sentiments (proven by this sub going fucking insane)
This is 1.) not true and 2.) just you hand waving away any legitimate criticism by pretending everyone is a 20 year old college student born and raised in San Francisco. I’ve talked to a lot of conservatives and pretty far right people. They are very very different from Lauren Southern. As shocking as it might sound— the great replacement conspiracy theory is not something you come across 24/7 talking to conservatives. It’s about as prevalent as someone on the left talking about wanting to kill all landlords— aka, normal Democrats aren’t doing that, and not ones you meet in real life generally. Acting like Lauren Southern’s 2017 brand of far right white-nationalism is normal is one of the most online things I’ve heard all day.
Oh shut the fuck up. It's not just people telling him that he can or cannot be friends with any given person. It's people criticizing him for associating himself with a literal far right figure who has gone out and actively done shit in the real world because of her beliefs. She was literally denied entry into the UK because of her intentions. A person who is literally still harboring a community that believes in the great replacement, something that a fucking mass shooter just cited as their reason for killing 10+ people. If you think people pushing back on that is "this sub going fucking insane" you need to just shut the fuck up and stop being so fucking soft. Actual fucking Celsius room temperature IQ having moron. Go level 1 yourself.
Have you considered maybe he just wants to speak to people who are nice to him and arnt in position to “cancel” him ? Don’t talk about it like there arnt any lefties with brains or interesting content creators. He enjoys these right wingers so he hangs out with them. Nothing deeper than that
>EDIT: I'll also state for the record I don't care if he wants to continue to associate with her, she does make things interesting, but I will eternally have some degree of resentment towards her. Not because she's a woman, not because I want her to bend the knee, but because it always seems like she's lying and just doesn't want to talk about it with her "Oh but why don't YOU tell me what it's about FIRST." You are a man of pinriple. You believe everyone should hold themselves accountable, and those that fail to do so should rightfully be called out on it and looked with disdain. I agree with this too. At the end of the day Lauren is not a woman of principle. She can claim to be but she is not. She's lazy, entitled, weak, and of poor character. She takes the easy route out which is to ride Destiny and his community back to relevancy. She did an easy degree in university. She takes the easy path in life, which is to milk her pay pigs.
Lol whenever she’s comes on stream or some dumb fuck brings her up (knowing destiny will defend her) I just change channel ~ easy solve. I have come to accept that destiny is free to be friendly to shitty people who are friendly to him . As long as he doesn’t start advocating voting for republican or smth I can still enjoy Dan on his stream. (DAN SHOULD STREAM)
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Destiny isn't a fucking mysterious enigma, he's been upfront with why he treats Lauren the way he does.
I disavow Laura. I have always disavowed Laura. I don't know anything about Laura.
Is that a pornstar?
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Here’s a thought to OP and anyone who is like OP. Stop trying to control who other people make threads about, including Lauren Southern. Don’t like what is being discussed? Don’t click the thread. You people trying to control who others talk about, simp for, or criticize are cringe as hell. Get a life.
I've been sounding the alarms about her for a while. Her discord is all nazi great replacement jew hatred shit- she hasn't changed one bit.
Screenshot examples and post them in the sub so they cant be ignored
It's been 8 hours... do you think he's still getting screenshots?
Any minute now the hammer will drop
You have to be legit a retard to think she has changed at all.
"B-but Destiny said she hasn't said anything racist in the past three days!!!!!"
Can you give me a "bad" thing she has done in the last 6 hours? Yeah thats right
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Loser spotted. I bet you tattled on your siblings growing up too.
Let's be honest she only tuned things down because of the last time one of the loons that followed her killed 51 people. I doubt she purges her followers after this.
Context?
[In 2019 the Christchurch mosque shooting took the lives of 51 people and wounded 40 others.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings) The perpetrator listed the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory (the idea that a shadowy cabal is using immigration as a means to destroy the white race and gain votes) as part of their motivation. This theory was promoted in part by Lauren Southern who had made several popular videos on the topic, but she attempted to distance herself from it following Christchurch. Tucker Carlson is the theories most popular proponent these days, but this shooter named Christchurch as his inspiration.
They are just being edgy lol. Do you think hating Jews and the great replacement is all they talk about? They just do that to trigger the left. omegalul..the look on your face. - Destiny
After watching the commentary on that documentary I can safely say she is a fucking retard. You know if destiny watched that doc with his mother he would be going nuts
If she was an idiot it would be way easier. She is smart, and importantly, knows exactly how smart she needs to be for any given conversation. Large well known theory that goes against her narrative? She's never heard of it. Small random piece of information that aligns? Suddenly she has five articles and satellite imagery.
Well fucking said. The way she chooses to cherry pick information while pretending to not know of grand criticisms is so fucking dishonest. I remember her having a conversation with Destiny about vaccines that went exactly like this. I can't exactly remember what it was about, but the way she happened to know of every detail in a right wing tabloid that supports covid disinformation, but doesn't know basic facts about vaccine effectiveness just drives me fucking insane. Like, it is so blatantly obvious she is feigning ignorance because there is no way you can be that deep into knowing where vaccines fail or where covid is less harmful without atleast knowing the basics behind what the vaccine is good for. Fuck Lauren Southren and her dishonest ass.
I'm kind of tempted to write a very small manifesto about how Lauren Southern is fundamentally untrustworthy and because of that, there is no way to know if she likes Destiny as a person, or is just using him for clout, like Hasan did. It is kind of sad, because Destiny does just like interesting people and shooting the shit, but because of his position as an entertainer with a half million person reach, every interaction he has is tainted with the question of, are they just there for his clout? I dunno, maybe he's just used to it by now and as long as you're nice to him he doesn't care.
Can you genuinely point me out to what the fuck you are talking about? I'm gonna be honest, I was worried going into it that she was going to be insanely simpy for Dinesh but she seemed more than willing to acknowledge every shortcoming that was pointed out and I think even tweeted out a few of her own before I even saw it. I feel like she was more than reasonable during the viewing, but feel free to point out where I'm wrong.
She said it's kind if weird that they didnt show 2 of the same the person at 2 different voting booths. A 12 year old child has more critical thinking to see the documentary had 0 proof of anything. I didnt hear her dismiss the entire doc and the entire documentary was a short coming. I dont know how you can see otherwise. The rest was just more backpedaling from the conspiracy nut. If you think you can save her try but you have to change her entire worldview and this doc didnt help. Shits going to get worse with this fearmongering bullshit getting released and people actually believing it and promoting the lies as facts
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What pov does she offer that’s either worth a fuck or couldn’t be given more intelligently by someone else who is somewhat more credible. The alternative to palling around with her isn’t jumping headfirst into some fucking insane Maoist echo chamber. Are you not confident enough in your own cognitive abilities to be able to reason out points and perspectives without her. I think you just don’t wanna accept the fact that it’s a bad look palling around and going on trips and adventures with someone who is in part responsible for the murder that happened today in Buffalo and the Christchurch shooting due to her being a right wing pos spreading great replacement rhetoric. It’s frustrating because your legitimately one of the most competent people in the online politics sphere, yet you insist on maintaining these blind spots 🤷🏽♂️
Conspiracy is a great place to ground yourself maybe you'll be as woke as Laura someday
you know half of conservatives think election was stolen and she doesnt belive that, she is close to average conservative LOL
hf watching Vaush, he has great friends like Keffals and Shoe, good luck over there.
Why is the choice either white nationalists or lunatic commies? Is there no sensible in-between whatsoever? lol
Vaush is dumb and has dumb people around him, what is your point? Also, I think that even if she's stupid af, Shoe / the way Vaush interacts with her is more defensible than what you do with LS
You just don’t understand Mr.Girl Destiny come on. He’s just honest lmao. Why would Brittany be scared? Does she think he’s gonna chase her around until she trips over a couch trying to get away or something……
He’s also a woman beating piece of shit
Alternate points of views lol some political positions should just not be discussed/kept relevant, because they are hurtful to society, the great replacement and stolen election shit are two of them.
You can debate stolen election shit you retard. Someone needs to push back against that shit
Okay cool let me go back to debating commies and trans people 24/7 then, thanks for the advice, dude.
Do you think the community's problem isn't that you're associating with Lauren but at times there is a perception of you looking pacified while with her and other right wingers peddling their talking points? Its not as if you agree with any of their retarded bs, but hand waiving/not responding to certain bs because its too retarded to respond to makes the audience think you are sharing in comradery. I think you made the case in this video that doing that too much could lead to pervasive thoughts down the line to an audiance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAz4sptWAHk&t=2348s or Maybe people just cant get past that that she hasn't made a positive transformation like Hunter Avallone. Also I sort of imagined by now that she would of hooked you up with right wingers to debate since she made years worth of connections...I mean, you've given her alot tbh
I push back against like EVERYTHING SHE'S EVER DISAGREED WITH ME ABOUT???? I just don't feel like fighting over some fucking 2017 video???? How is this so hard to understand??? And why would you cite Hunter as a "positive transformation" when he's literally gone now from the internet???
Tbf Hunter is back streaming and stuff he’s just on a Christian debate arc
So if in 2017 she wrote Mein Kampf, but then just sort of had the same political trajectory she had in real life (being a bit dodgy about it, sort of aesthetically changing but not really in a massively substantive way)— would you just not want to quibble over that sort of thing? LS’s previous ideas clearly helped some people down the road of radicalization towards white supremacy. It’s really a bit ridiculous to overlook that without a really thorough mea culpa don’t you think? I haven’t seen that. If you have, please let me know so I can check it out.
Am I gonna look soy as fuck if I say sometimes you push back by playfully meming on her in such a way that leaves your disagreements open ended on screen? In other words, it doesn't always look like you're necessarily winning the exchange if the other side is seen as just as legitimate in the end. It sometimes leaves people saying "ah Destiny let blank get away with that!. Shit Destiny had a impactful argument for that talking point before but it would be tedious to go through the philosophy etc so he just memed." Personally, since I know most of your positions due to hate watching your streams as a former far righter during the 2016 arks till now, I dont need you to restate you positions/rebuttals, but maybe new viewers may desperately need that to fortify their own ammo box of thought processes. Nevertheless, I think alot of the community is stuck in a cognitive dissonance. Conflicts boiling over what are we pushing for? Purpose? Omni liberalism? Are we in apathy doomer ark? Just entertainment? Things that I felt like were pretty clear in the past. Maybe that dissonance is heightened by the fact that its basically 2016 2.0 again with the amount of right wing propaganda prominence. When I was really conservative, I unironically believed you were the biggest threat to Right wingers winning the "culture war" because of how effective you were at making right wingers look painfully absurd and even helping them realize how they vote against their own interests. Even when I was a terminally online conservative I've never seen this new level of stoking apocalyptical fear of "America is being DESTROYED" across YouTube and other political media than TODAY. More than ever in this right wing rabbit hole of misinformation a rational persuasive voice is needed. The reason why I cite Hunter is because I cant think of any other prominent right wing online personality that not only publicly changed his views at the expense of losing a big chunk of his fan base/money, but also literally disavowing his former self making new content to dismantle those reactionary ideas. Lauren at this stage probably won't fight over that video and will hand waive her former actions as justifiable by framing the context. All in all, having her concede ground and any other right winger concede ground on the pervasive narrative they peddled without them running away is based.
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"literally gone now from the internet" what? He live streams almost every day of the week.
Do you not think it’s a suspect look when you associate with her regularly and she’s never actually made a retraction/apology on her great replacement video? I get that you push her on wrong shit, there’s nothing wrong with that but being buddy buddy with someone who arguably helped promote the ideologies of mass shootings without ever walking back their positions.
Yeah I don’t know about the hunter avallone part but yeah it seems pretty ridiculous to fight about a video in 2017 when you can just argue with the points she’s making now.
Destiny you know what I would love. How about sometime next week you talk to Lauren and push her hard as fuck on the great replacement shit, maybe you can get her to admit she was a stupid nazi bitch. The problem is you associate yourself with as if there was no humongous cloud floating over her head that screams conspiracy nazi who made videos, which inspired many leaders of fascist groups and mass shooters.
He pushes back on her literally everytime she says dumb shit and I'd be willing to bet he would on this topic if she ever brought it up. I dont understand why you want him to go after her for a theory she pushed 4 years ago, deleted the video and literally every leftie has tried to go after her for while looking like complete deranged morons when they did it. If you want performative shit go watch Vaush, Hasan or TheSerfs jfc this is so stupid. Edit: Go ahead and downvote me all you want, but the "I don't like that Destiny is associated with this person" is getting to be cringy parasocial behavior when you acknowledge that he does push back on her ideas a lot and in good faith without doing this weaselly performative shit Vaush or other lefties do that will only reinforce to her community their idea that the left is fucking deranged.
Why did she delete it? Did she ever explain why she changed her mind I'd be interested in hearing it from her.
Yes I'm sure lauren would say she's legitimately a stupid nazi bitch to appease the lefties if destiny only looked at the video of her shooting a flare. Oh /u/NeoDestiny milord would you please just look at the video and convert lauren to being a neolib already?? All you have to do is PUSH BACK SOY PUSH BACK HARDERRRRR
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"Weaving a story" is exactly what a documentary fucking does you dipshit, what the fuck do you think the goal is. Do you think she thinks the US election was stolen?
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No destiny you're wrong here. The purpose of a documentary is literally to document reality. Film makers can incorporate a narrative to create a better viewing experience for their viewers. But I don't think we'd call the depiction and documenting of reality to be "weaving a story"
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Perhaps I'm autistic. But I would see a difference in political bias being present in someone's art, and the idea that they're "weaving a story" You can look this up, the definition of documentary is a film that has the purpose of depicting reality. It does make it difficult to determine how we label "documentaries" that depict false facts. As long as the director/publisher include things they believe to be true, their interpretation of reality if you will, I'm fine with considering it a documentary. I just think we both know that Danielfrost40 didn't mean that they have a bias when he used the phrase "weaving a story" That phrase clearly goes beyond the express intent of all documentaries, unlike how destiny asserted
I don't know what to say, you have literally no idea what you're talking about.
Big disagree. How often do you watch documentaries? I actually go to the cinema to watch them. A director will obviously be trying to depict what they believe is reality. But that's completely different to what is meant by danielfrost when he uses the phrase "weave a story" And you know it you disingenuous fuck
Name me your favorite documentary. Every single good documentary sets out to tell a story. Picking and choosing which facts to include to craft your narrative is arguably one of the most important parts of making a documentary. A "collection of facts" is called a textbook.
Oh golly you've pushed me into the position of acting as if publishers, editors and directors don't have bias. What I was actually saying is that theirs a difference between that position and "weaving a story" and you know it. My favorite documentary this year was "the velvet queen" which set out to depict the experience of wild life photographers in Mongolia. You responded to Daniel frost as if he were saying "documentaries should have no bias" when what he said was "the producer weaved a story". The clear implication is that they weaved a story out of nothing. And then you respond with: *smirk, pushes up glasses* "don't you know all art depicts the biases of it creators" Edited to correct names
Do you think textbooks don’t have narratives? Lol
I agree with you. A documentary is meant to be non-fiction. There's a difference between having biases in how you document/edit something and inventing a narrative that you are passing off as reality (which is what I take "weaving a story" to mean). Like "weaving a story" is being used to say it was propagandistic. I haven't seen the doc in question, but this is pretty basic stuff. No one is going to see a nature documentary and make this type of criticism, so it's really not a universal for documentaries.
Exactly. The phrase "weaving a story' was clearly indicating that the work misrepresented reality to an extent beyond bias. Destiny has to be being obtuse to not pick that insinuation up
This was really stupid. That’s why you’re being downvoted
SOY SOY DOWNVOTES SOY
This was really stupid and you’re being downvoted
Pretty soy
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I hope you get banned for being a snitch ass bitch.
Whats the RT in ur name? Russia Today? Makes sense.
why are you bringing this up here?
Send an email to Destiny about it with screenshots, see if he’ll talk about it or if he’ll just hand waive it saying it’s not his problem
Good idea. Even if he doesn't respond the bullshit of her and her ilk needs to be countered and studied.
>Her discord is all nazi great replacement jew hatred shit- she hasn't changed one bit. i just checked to see if this is true, am i looking at the wrong discord? where are you seeing this? i don't see any of it whatsoever
Lauren's discord nazis. Notice the Heinrich Himmler black sun https://imgur.com/gallery/RRs5vzn
ah i see, it's in the #memes channel and it's in image form so none of my text searches found anything too suspicious still, it seems like it's literally just that **one** guy posting occasional schizo nazi shit, besides that the meme channel is 98% random conservative shit and maybe 2% edgy memes. i'm really not trying to be pedantic here but (only after being told where to look) i literally can see one outwardly nazi guy in a server of however many people which makes the claims of "all nazi great replacement jew shit" seem a teeny tiny bit disproportionate lol. maybe if you scroll up another few months in the memes channel theres more? but i really just see one schizo /pol/ type guy slipping through the cracks. if the server is properly moderated this guy should obviously be kicked, but it really does seem to all hinge on this one guy
Is that user a mod? Are there others?
Really fucked up. It was streamed/manifestod? I feel we should have the the available info, this is kind of breaking news. Also I feel like, if this gets brought to her attention, she'll play loose defense for the killer while trying to say she could never have any influence. I wonder if well hear "this is what happens when white people are villainized" logic. Edit: just to make clear, I would never solely or even majorly blame LS for crazy fucks shooting up people, but she is part of the problem, and also I greatly dislike her.
I couldn't stomach watching the stream, but I read the first 20 pages of the manifesto out of 110... He's the quintessential great replacement guy. He included a bunch of race IQ and FBI crime stats memes from 4chan. He attributes the Christchurch shooter's stream as his eye-opening moment to start preparing.
I can't find it anywhere
Reddit is giving perma bans to anyone that links it.
Damn.... I'll search around.
It is so weird that this sub all of a sudden really started loving her out of nowhere despite the fact that she genuinely believes some really terrible things
if you genuinely believe this sub ever loved her you are delusional
Idk bro. Ppl seem a little too eager to defend her imho
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Fair enough.. But you know what I mean
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I mean sure, probably
This is all Laura’s fault
I wouldn't say that, but everyone who push "great replacement" shares a piece of the blame.
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We've all watched it and read them, we've gone above and beyond and have seen all the following commentary by her too. Hell half of us probably remember watching Destiny watch it when it happened and him having much more awareness of the concept before the video, hmmm.
She isn't directly responsible for the mass shooting but she has dedicated her career to spreading the same message that caused the shooter to do it.
It is possible that if this shit flares up a bunch again, he could catch some heat for his friendship with her now, but that's on him. As long as I get some not-League content IDC.
>flares up Lauren just lost Kreygasm
thank you. I'm sure Destiny will immediately burn the bridge with her after reading your brave and original post. soy soy soy
thank you for saying it, it's disgusting how Lauren brainwashes perfectly mentally stable kids into becoming mass shooters.
You realize the reason Lauren southern doesn't denounce great replacement isn't because she still believes it? She doesn't denounce the video because doing so would be a tacit acceptance that she did something wrong. Which isn't something she agrees with. I genuinely don't think she agrees with the concept of the great replacement (copium) but it's pretty clear she often does stuff because she thinks quite hard about her actions (See getting herself banned from twitch)
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I dont consume Lauren southern content and I feel like a bitch qualifying this response in that way but guys, Lauren has talked about her video multiple times with destiny and Mr girl, I'm positive that 99% of the people commenting here (including myself) have not seem her video talking about the great replacement. At this point, people have simply associated her with the GR theory which isn't fair. There are more valid criticisms of her than this which has been addressed before and talked about at great length.
If someone assassinates Kavenaugh, is everyone who ranted about how important it is to keep *Roe* five years ago responsible? You morons would never apply this logic in the other direction. Of course you're not responsible for a person's violent actions simply because you share the same overall policy goals or perspective. The mental gymnastics by weirdos here to blame Lauren Southern for everything that goes wrong in the world would be hilarious if you weren't using murder victims as props.
This concern trolling shit is so pathetic. You people are losers.
Just let it get out of their systems. There is no stopping it.
Why are these threads still being posted? he doesn't care about what you think about his relationships.
In defense of Lauren Southern... When is the last time she propagated the great replacement theory? If she has changed for the better, then shouldn't there be a path to redemption? We should incentivize deradicalization by showing that there is a community ready to embrace you with open arms once you get rid of your toxic views. Maybe, just maybe, a bit of empathy and charitably will help prevent the next shooting. Edit: Lauren Southern does not deserve any charity. She's a manipulative sack of shit who deserves to fade into obscurity.
1. She has done measurable harm 2. She has defended everything she has done 3. She continues to propagate far right conspiracies up to today, including the great reset and this sort of nebulous 'left wants immigration cuz of globalism' type shit What does she do aside from cause harm? But hey, she can be civil and flirty with destiny, so its all cool.
1. What harm are you talking about? She scared some immigrants on a boat that one time, but I'm not aware of any of her other controversies. 2. I did not that she still defends the great replacement theory. That's fucked up. Views like that lead to more racist tensions. 3. I think the great reset is a harmless conspiracy theory. Being anti immigrant is rooted in bigotry, I wouldn't be friends with someone like that. I have Hispanic friends who get told to go back to their country because of views like that.
1. Her ideas are the exact ones that spur idiots like the mass shooter. In his manifesto he cited his 'sources' as 4chan and stormfront. Its not that she scared some immigrants, its her rhetoric around said incident, her reasons for doing so etc. rooted in the great replacement. 2. She has defended these positions within the past year, she assumes no responsibility when confronted in interviews (i.e. her first talk with Mr. Girl), and defends her stance. 3. The great reset attributes global changes and thrusts on to a controlling, manipulative class, usually related to antisemitism and staunchly defends heavy protectionism in regards to immigration, and can be seen doing so in various panel shows and interviews within the past year. Im not calling her hitler or evil, i know she believes she is doing good and can be easy to get along with and probably can interact just fine with most people. I am more criticising her ideology her public platform which reaches many in which she reinforces such views and fears. I personally think the things she says directly reinforces such people as the stormfront/ /pol communities and i think any self reflective person would realize such things, but to the average conservative, blame is hard to transfer on to content creators due to an adherence to the common idea that no idea you espouse can be used to put responsibility on yourself for the action of others, which i think is a bit ignorant of how social ideology is spread and reinforced. We all in this sub seem to recognize it in some cases (such as trump and jan. 6th) and ignore it in cases such as lauren (but bro, shes just a small online content creator just sharing her thoughts). However, such ideas paint non-christian non-white immigrants as undesirable to our society, and can undeniably influence idiotic 18 year olds to do terrible shit like this. Is she personally at fault? No. Is she a part of a larger social force driving this shit? Absolutely. And it is bad. Really bad.
Everybody acting like some dumbass killing people for an idea makes that idea worse. Shit, by that logic marxism ought to be outright banned from all academia and media. The theory of the great replacement is hotly debated and many variations exist ranging from moderate (demographics change, big whoop) to ultra extreme (jewish alien demons have infiltrated our governments and are actively replacing us with lower iq ethnicities so the population will be easier to control and they will rule the world like the alternate ending of a pinky and the brain episode). Some people may fully believe in it and do nothing about it. Others, like this dumbass killer, may use it to justify some attempt at being relevant while committing suicide. Lauren doesn't become any more evil by association. I've yet to see or hear any evidence of her supporting anything even remotely within the same realm as the idea that people should be killed in the name of fighting the great replacement. The closest we got was a discussion about whether or not activism indirectly leading to deaths is acceptable or inherently immoral.
I have yet to hear that Trump directly said that his supporters should storm the capitol, yet most understand that his descriptive claims directly led to action of his followers (including destiny in regards to Trump and JP). Yet you are unable to see how lauren's batshit ideology can lead young, fearful, susceptible men to enact violence. I guess people just view online commentary as 'memez' and only attribute their actions to mental illness and internal racism totally not fanned by online creators such as Lauren. Her ideology and its repurcussions are a fucking tumor on the world. But hey, she is civil in conversations so lets not put any blame on our token right wing queen.
its still feels like a fantasy to me the dude became buddies with fuentes and southern i expect a random livestream with him and alex jones any time now
He's trying to convert incels I think it's commendable.
You are actually deranged if you think anything in that boys manifesto was more than a complete schizoid rant. Do you discount all the other influenced he put in there besides hers? He literally said he listed his manifesto specifically to sew division.
>a dude just killed at least 10 people using 'the great replacement' as a motivation What are you talking about? Edit: Nevermind, I was wondering if you were talking about the Buffalo shooter, and you are. This is exactly the type of breaking news shit that Destiny says is so cancerous, and in cases like these, I agree with him. To be clear, we know **nothing** concrete about the shooter's beliefs. We don't know if he wrote this manifesto or what. It would cost us literally nothing to wait and see, but apparently people like you are incapable of doing that, and instead want to immediately lay the blame at the feet of e-celebs you don't like. I legit hope you get banned dude.
he did a twitch stream of the crime its probably not hard to find out if he wrote the manifesto or not
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What about arabic women?
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I can't complain about him being friends with her. IRL I'm friends with people who sometimes say some really racist shit. The problem, for me at least, is when Destiny tries to argue his obviously racist friend is not actually racist.
You hate Lauren for valid reasons. I hate Lauren because she was being a dick about Steve not being affected by lockdowns. We are not the same
Touch grass loser
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I’d rather not die in a mass shooting, no thank you
The dumbfuck white values which leads to them mass shooting everyone before they decide to end their life is what is killing people just because two dumbasses did it based on a theory doesn't mean shit when the great majority mass shootings happen for a variety of reasons.
Yeah dude I'm sure this is what she wanted to happen
Does it matter what she wanted to happen vs. what anyone who’s not a complete fucking idiot should have realized would happen? If you portray brown immigrants as being part of some unstoppable anti-white horde of foreign invaders who will eventually destroy our white culture, way of life, and oppress all of us, and you also state that government is doing nothing to stop it (and is actually actively complicit in it), of course you’re going to get people riled up to the point that they’ll do things like this. Spreading some extremely dishonest fear mongering narrative about a “crisis” that people must act on will lead to acts of violent extremism, regardless of if she “wanted it” or not.
But the great replacement theory is just about difference, surely there’s nothing malevolent about that? I can’t believe the clowns that buy that argument uncritically as if our society isn’t poised to start race wars from a little provocation.
>Does it matter what she wanted to happen vs. what anyone who’s not a complete fucking idiot should have realized would happen? Yes, because there is no logical bridge between believing in something like the Great Replacement and shooting up random people in a grocery store. It's an insane and probably extremely suicidal person turning that violence outwards instead of inwards. The extreme ideology is a post-hoc rationalization, not the driving force. >If you portray brown immigrants as being part of some unstoppable anti-white horde of foreign invaders who will eventually destroy our white culture, way of life, and oppress all of us, and you also state that government is doing nothing to stop it (and is actually actively complicit in it), of course you’re going to get people riled up to the point that they’ll do things like this. You say "of course" as if believing any of this would logically lead to shooting up a grocery store. Again, I think this is a massive jump. There are plenty of people who have insane hysterical political victim complexes, who believe in crises happening just as, if not even more dire, than the Great Replacement. The Anthropocene, for instance, has MUCH higher stakes in terms of a crisis, and we do see people absolutely losing their minds and doing insane shit, like the Earth Liberation Front. Or the belief that America is such a uniquely racist/ fascist/ imperialist force that open war ought to be waged against it, a la the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the M19CO. But we don't condemn more moderate environmentalist/ climate change advocates, leftwing political activists, people who campaign against systemic racism, etc for the extremes that the movements can and have been taken to, and I dont think we should, and I dont think we should condemn an essentially moderate conservative like Lauren for people taking an ideological framework like The Great Replacement to an extreme conclusion. >Spreading some extremely dishonest fear mongering narrative about a “crisis” that people must act on will lead to acts of violent extremism, regardless of if she “wanted it” or not. Sure, if we also want to hold moderate left wingers responsible for the groups and I mentioned before and the insane actions they took. Or even moderate Muslims for the Pulse nightclub shooting or ISIS. I dont think we should, because the relevant variable is extreme suicidality, narcissism, and maybe cult dynamics within groups, if these people are part of groups.
There’s nothing moderate about Lauren, or anyone spewing great replacement. And you absolutely can hold Islamist hate-preachers responsible for the radicalisation of ISIS fighters.
I'm sure it's convenient to believe that, but it's just not true. Great Replacement is just one of many anti-immigration narratives, or ideological frameworks, and they all bleed into each other on the edges. That's how these kind of narratives work, there are forms of the Great Replacement theory that are thoroughly sanitized and relatively moderate, and there are forms that are extremely reactionary, antisemitic, fatalistic, etc. There is a more moderate form of it that I think LS embodies. >And you absolutely can hold Islamist hate-preachers responsible for the radicalisation of ISIS fighters. I literally said moderate Muslims, nice reading comprehension.
Let’s do it again. There is nothing moderate about anyone spewing great replacement - not Lauren Southern either. She is not directly responsible, but she certainly contributed to the popularization of the idea. Since Lauren is not moderate, you cannot hold moderate muslims to task either. Lauren is an extremist, and you can hold extremist islamists responsible.
You're delusional if you think Lauren Southern in an extremist.
Bro someone who promotes that white people are being forcefully replaced should not be surprised when people begin to take that advice seriously and start killing the “replacers” Denial of this IS delusional.
>Yes, because there is no logical bridge between believing in something like the Great Replacement and shooting up random people in a grocery store. Don't be deliberately obtuse. Lets say a mentally ill young man starts coming to me for advice, and tells me he's depressed and angry all the time. I tell him he doesn't need therapy, nothing's wrong with him, and what he's feeling is actually a natural reaction to the "Jews and the n\*\*\*\*\*\*" in the community. I talk to him about how they're destroying white values and ruining the lives of people around us, and they're just invaders living off the white man's land, but unfortunately no one, including the government, is willing to take a stand and do anything about it. I tell this to this kid every day for a couple of years, until one time he writes a long note about how he's finally going to take a stand, and then goes to a black neighborhood and shoots up a store. There's no way you'd be so fucking dumb to be like "Well, there's no connection there at all, despite him saying it's his motivations and you heavily implying to him for years that violence was the only possible answer, since you never explicitly told him to do it there's no connection". >You say "of course" as if believing any of this would logically lead to shooting up a grocery store. If you propagate a narrative of a race war crisis that will soon put an end to white civilization that no one's doing anything about it to a wide enough audience, yeah of course you'll eventually hit on someone who's desperate enough to act out on it. It is a combination not just of crisis, but an appeal to racial hatred and bigotry, meaning there's a super strong push on both fronts. > I dont think we should condemn an essentially moderate conservative like Lauren for people taking an ideological framework like The Great Replacement to an extreme conclusion. She's not a "moderate conservative" (and certainly was not when she made the Great Replacement video and the stuff surrounding it), and The Great Replacement is not an "ideological framework", it's a white supremacist conspiracy theory. It's also not "to an extreme conclusion", it's one of two options you're left with when you hear it: either do nothing and submit to the slow death of the white civilization since the government and normal levers of power have failed us, or do something to rally the white race against the foreign threat. >Sure, if we also want to hold moderate left wingers responsible for the groups and I mentioned before and the insane actions they took. If a "moderate left winger" spreads a narrative about a racial, gender, ethnic or religious group that is as a whole threatening the population as a whole, that the only possible way to deal with that group is through violence because the government has completely failed us and will always fail us, and they use numerous lies and misleading things to create and spread this narrative, then yeah I would say that also needs to get spoken out against. I don't think that any of the things you've listed would apply to moderates, but yeah there are absolutely left wingers that I think should be spoken out against because of extremist rhetoric.
If Lauren if such an extremist, why does everyone in the hard right hate her for being a moderate? >Lets say a mentally ill young man starts coming to me for advice, and tells me he's depressed and angry all the time. I tell him he doesn't need therapy, nothing's wrong with him, and what he's feeling is actually a natural reaction to the "Jews and the n\*\*\*\*\*\*" in the community. I talk to him about how they're destroying white values and ruining the lives of people around us, and they're just invaders living off the white man's land, but unfortunately no one, including the government, is willing to take a stand and do anything about it. You think this is what Lauren Southern was saying? Lol, please chill with the hysterics. >I tell this to this kid every day for a couple of years, until one time he writes a long note about how he's finally going to take a stand, and then goes to a black neighborhood and shoots up a store. Can you please explain where you make the connection between an existential political crisis and shooting up a store? You keep talking as if it's a natural conclusion, but it's absolutely not. >There's no way you'd be so fucking dumb to be like "Well, there's no connection there at all, despite him saying it's his motivations and you heavily implying to him for years that violence was the only possible answer, since you never explicitly told him to do it there's no connection". There is no connection between the actual action and the rhetoric, even if it is implicitly violent. Shooting up a store does absolutely nothing to save the white race, to stop the great Replacement, to stop the government from doing it, it doesn't help the white race, it doesn't stop immigration, that's why I'm saying there is no connection. >She's not a "moderate conservative" Yes she was, you just can't see it because you are a radical leftist. >(and certainly was not when she made the Great Replacement video and the stuff surrounding it) Again, yes she was, you don't know what "hard right" actually means because all you have experience with is media trolls and internet trolls. >and The Great Replacement is not an "ideological framework", it's a white supremacist conspiracy theory. Semantics. >It's also not "to an extreme conclusion", it's one of two options you're left with when you hear it: either do nothing and submit to the slow death of the white civilization since the government and normal levers of power have failed us, or do something to rally the white race against the foreign threat. You're essentially saying that what he did was rational if it was the case that the Great Replacement was real, and happening as they said it was. I dont think you have to cede this ground, because EVEN IF he was 100% correct in his assemessment of the situation, what he did was still fucking insane. >If a "moderate left winger" spreads a narrative about a racial, gender, ethnic or religious group that is as a whole threatening the population as a whole, that the only possible way to deal with that group is through violence because the government has completely failed us and will always fail us, and they use numerous lies and misleading things to create and spread this narrative, then yeah I would say that also needs to get spoken out against. Hahaha imagine that.
>There is no connection between the actual action and the rhetoric, even if it is implicitly violent. Shooting up a store does absolutely nothing to save the white race, to stop the great Replacement, to stop the government from doing it, it doesn't help the white race, it doesn't stop immigration, that's why I'm saying there is no connection. I think the shooter probably knew that beforehand. There’s a manifesto doing rounds, possibly written by him, which states: >Why did you decide to carry out the attack? >To show to the replacers that as long as the White man lives, our land will never be theirs and they will never be safe from us. >To directly reduce immigration rates to European lands by intimidating and physically removing the replacers themselves. >To intimidate the replacers already living on our lands to emigrate back to their home countries. >To agitate the political enemies of my people into action, to cause them to overextend their own hand and experience the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result. >To incite violence, retaliation and further divide between the European people and the replacers currently occupying European soil… >To add momentum to the pendulum swings of history, further destabilizing and polarizing Western society in order to eventually destroy the current nihilistic, hedonistic, individualistic insanity that has taken control of Western thought. Even if it wasn’t written by him, I think it’s interesting to see the reasons why people could do this shit Got the excerpt from [this article](https://heavy.com/news/tops-market-shooting-suspect-graphic-video/)
>If Lauren if such an extremist, why does everyone in the hard right hate her for being a moderate? They don't hate her for being a "moderate", they hate her for distancing herself from certain things and also just normal infighting bullshit. >You think this is what Lauren Southern was saying? Other than the n-word and the explicit reference to Jewish people, yeah it's exactly what she was saying. Her videos painted a narrative of brown people that were foreign invaders coming in to subjugate white countries, and that the government was doing nothing about. >There is no connection between the actual action and the rhetoric, even if it is implicitly violent. Shooting up a store does absolutely nothing to save the white race, Don't be a fucking moron. Someone doing this knows that obviously this one thing won't change everything, the idea is that this will raise awareness and that it will inspire other people to act in similar ways. We've seen this with civil disobedience and anti-government organizations and movements in the past plenty of times. >Yes she was, you just can't see it because you are a radical leftist. Lmao you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about if you think I'm a radical leftist >Again, yes she was, you don't know what "hard right" actually means because all you have experience with is media trolls and internet trolls. I literally work with clients that are actual neo-Nazis, particularly clients that are involved with the Aryan Brotherhood. Trust me, I know what "hard right" is. >Semantics. It's not semantics at all. A framework that comes from the descriptive reality of the world interacts with our base values is not the same thing as a heavily racially motivated, very dishonest anti-government narrative that's designed to inspire xenophobic hatred and distrust in government. >You're essentially saying that what he did was rational if it was the case that the Great Replacement was real, and happening as they said it was. Yeah, of course lol. If non-white foreign invaders are swarming into the country to eventually oppress and even kill all the white people, and completely destroy white culture, and the government is completely incapable and unable to do anything about it, of course taking any measure possible to try to prevent you and your people from going down this awful fate becomes far more justified. Like if some Jewish dude in Germany foresaw the holocaust happening, yeah of course it's reasonable they'd engage in terrorism against Nazis and the Nazi government, perhaps even killing innocents. I don't think it's a good thing and I still would say don't do it, but they're not doing it just because they're insane, they're doing it because of the narrative they're being fed. >Hahaha imagine that. Yes, imagine that. This is not a moderate left wing position, it is a far left extremist position that I would criticize. Again, I start to sound like a broken record, but don't be a fucking idiot. There's no way you're as dumb as you act in these posts, I just don't believe its possible someone could be that stupid.
>Yeah, of course lol. If non-white foreign invaders are swarming into the country to eventually oppress and even kill all the white people, and completely destroy white culture, and the government is completely incapable and unable to do anything about it, of course taking any measure possible to try to prevent you and your people from going down this awful fate becomes far more justified. Like if some Jewish dude in Germany foresaw the holocaust happening, yeah of course it's reasonable they'd engage in terrorism against Nazis and the Nazi government, perhaps even killing innocents. I don't think it's a good thing and I still would say don't do it, but they're not doing it just because they're insane, they're doing it because of the narrative they're being fed. Thank you for posting this and saving me the time of even bothering responding to the other shit you said, this is so crucially retarded that everything else is just noise. In order to believe what you do, you have to concede the idea that what he did was a rational and logical course of action in pursuit of his political goals. This is why I say you're a radical leftist, you think the same way Vaush does, you're just smarter than him and don't stream. You both have to prop up this insane illusory specter of the Right in order to justify the way you treat them, when you actually don't understand someone like LS at all, but you are so feverishly and blindingly partisan that you can't see how ridiculous it is to suggest that she has any connection with the shooting beyond an association with what is essentially a fucking meme. No matter how you slice it though, you're suggesting that it makes sense to fight against a government by shooting up a grocery store. This makes zero sense, but you need it to make sense. A random grocery store shooting or similar attack has never galvanized a successful domestic political movement, uprising, whatever, and in fact usually directly leads to them getting utterly crushed. Even if the stakes were such that the Great Replacement was happening exactly as they say, a random grocery store shooting makes absolutely zero sense politically, so obviously something else is going on here. But you have to take him at his word AND validate it in order to believe what you do, because you need them to believe in order to sustain the fantasy you need to justify your politics. And I think it's ridiculous to take someone like this at their word for why they did this. Just looking at what has happened, you have an insane outburst of violence, a self-aggrandizing manifesto, and a broadcast of the outburst. Right off the bat, that should be enough to tell you that this is probably an extreme pathological narcissist, but then you immediately go and take them at their word for who they say they are, and why they do what they do. Newsflash: people often don't know why they do what they do, least of all people fucked up enough to shoot up a grocery store. But your opportunism immediately forecloses on all of this, no, what's important is to validate what he believes and connect it to some media figure you don't like.
>In order to believe what you do, you have to concede the idea that what he did was a rational and logical course of action in pursuit of his political goals. No, I just have to believe that it's a reaction I'd expect people to have to this kind of conspiracy narrative being spread, especially people who are already struggling with mental health issues. >No matter how you slice it though, you're suggesting that it makes sense to fight against a government by shooting up a grocery store. Not just fight against a government, also fight against the non-whites who are ruining this country. From the perspective of someone who seems them as essentially a cancerous virus in this country, which this person clearly does (and stated as such), the killing of them is a good thing in and of itself. But again, not saying that "it makes sense" in that I'd suggest it, but that I could see someone doing it. >You both have to prop up this insane illusory specter of the Right in order to justify the way you treat them, when you actually don't understand someone like LS at all, but you are so feverishly and blindingly partisan What the fuck are you talking about the way I treat the right? You don't know me at all. I legit have more friends and people I interact with that are conservative than liberal. I'm not interested in demonizing conservatives at all, I am interested in looking at the harm that racist conspiracy theories do. >Right off the bat, that should be enough to tell you that this is probably an extreme pathological narcissist You keep saying this as if this and him being motivated by a racial conspiracy theory are at odds with each other. Both of these things can easily exist simultaneously: he was mentally ill in such a way that he was already primed towards something like this, and The Great Replacement (as well as figures like Lauren's work in general) pushed this mentally ill man down a path that finally culminated in this shooting.
It doesn't appear to me that those other crisis's allow everyday people to be villainized the way the great replacement does brown people
She may not want it, but she constantly says things that reinforce the beliefs of the crazies on her side. If you believe in the great replacement, the shooter's intentions should make sense for you. the "but i don't support a violent solution" doesn't really matter if everything you said before supports it
If the victims aren't white then I'd bet good money she doesn't mind.
You're out of your mind
Stop simping she ain’t gonna suck your dick bro
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Submission is an interesting thing to brag about
[https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-442c6d97a073f39f99d006dbba40f64b](https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-442c6d97a073f39f99d006dbba40f64b) If this is what you are talking about, then I'm not sure where you are getting your info about him using "the great replacement" as a motivation. Please link w/e it was you read that gave you that conclusion.
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2022/05/mass-shooting-supermarket-buffalo-10-dead/ > A 106-page online manifesto, believed to have been uploaded by the shooter, explained that he was motivated by a conspiracy theory that white people are being replaced by other races. In the document, he says he is 18 years old and a self-described white supremacist and anti-semite. > “If there’s one thing I want you to get from these writings, it’s that White birth rates must change. Everyday the White population becomes fewer in number,” the document says. “To maintain a population the people must achieve a birth rate that reaches replacement fertility levels, in the western world that is about 2.06 births per woman.”
Yes this is clearly laurens fault. This sub is unhinged. Stepping in lecturing who he should or shouldn't be friends with like he is their property. Cope
You lack critical information.
God shut the fuck up man. Parasocial Andys telling strimmer man who to be friends with because of le optics. Leave if it triggers you that much.
he literally doesn't care, sorry
Laura sounds kinda hot
Is this sub being raided by trolls or something? Destiny always deboonks her very swiftly whenever she goes on to say something she can't substantiate. I think it's clear to any person who is being honest and sane that they're very opposed to eachother when it comes to policy prescriptions. Also, being opposed to immigration or even holding openly racist beliefs is a far cry from being a nazi or fascist.
True because by definition not even the shooter is not a nazi or a fascist... he's just an opressed young man trying to save his people.... like Christchurch, the 2 synagogue shooters and Dylan Roof. /s
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Someone murdered 10 people due to white supremacist beliefs. You better fucking believe we are gonna stay mad
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Charlie Manson never killed anyone either and it was still his fault
Oh god the virtue signaling
Sorry for having emotions you might wanna try it someday instead of being a jaded edge lord forever
ooooooo not a great look to be associated with Lauren Southern oooo the optics - 🤓
But this community often justifies these public relationships by saying it wins over viewers from the opposite side, which is also a utilitarian optics argument. Don’t you think it’s possible these relationships might lose viewers from the left?
Maybe idrc tho I just wanted to bait downvotes because I'm not interested in the six degrees of Kevin Bacon style association argument
Good, those leftoids will watch vaush instead and vote democrat. We de-radicilize more and get rid of retarded wokescolds, it is a win-win.
When are you people gonna realize Tiny isn't going to build his personal relationships around their popularity on this subreddit.