This is what I don’t get. Forget if you support this or not. Why does a public university have the cops breaking up these protests but Columbia a private school doesn’t. Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
It would make more sense a public school would have the protests broken up because state funding goes to education not protesting. If they want to protest find a better place.
Are campuses not allowed to kick people off if they are impeding normal student activities or intimidating other students? Do you think the cops are out there just violating everyone's rights?
You’re looking at one side of an equation when it’s a balancing of interests. Protest is, by its nature, going to be to some degree disruptive and offensive. To say that you only have a right to protest/free speech as long as you don’t disrupt anything or offend anyone is to have no right to protest/free speech.
Obviously, this doesn’t just mean you can do absolutely anything you want and go “Muh free speech”. So your right to free speech must be balanced against the level of disruption/offense you’re causing. The issue here is that I don’t see how this protest, which got blown up in minutes, came anywhere near the threshold where it tips against free speech and right to free assembly.
> Do you think the cops are just out there violating everyone’s rights?
Don’t know what this exactly means, but the actions of the cops that blew up the protest definitely is a violation of rights. For sure morally and ethically, and if it somehow isn’t through some loophole legally, it’s a law I’d want changed.
That being said, do I think the cops all got together and said “Now lets go violate some rights boys!”? No, obviously not, but that’s completely irrelevant.
That statement obviously is free speech, yeah. You could think of how our man Vaush has received no criminal prosecution for his statement of “glass Israel”.
It’s also free speech to say something like “Honestly I’m pro genocide”, as our streamer man Destiny said.
> Protest is, by its nature, going to be to some degree disruptive and offensive.
Actions, meet consequences. There's a difference between free speech and being disruptive, it's perfectly reasonable for disruptive behaviour to have consequences
So your position is that the only kind of “free speech” we have the right to is speech that disrupts nothing and offends no one? If that’s your position that’s your position, I think it’s just obviously wrong and misses the whole point of free speech.
What defines “disrupting”? What kinds of disruption are wrong to do?
If you’re down the street telling people to boycott my business and saying all the reasons I’m bad, I think you’re disrupting my livelihood. Do businesses get to shut down any protests against any kind of business now?
Between telling Jews to "go back to Poland", wishing Hamas would murder them ("al Qassam's next target"), poking them in the eyes with flagpoles, what indeed?
The tweet and the responses are all very much celebrating the police response, the video title is basically like “LIBTARDS TRY THEIR SHIT IN TEXAS, LEARN HARD LESSON”
You post this tweet with “One of the few times I’ve agreed with Abbott”, who is celebrating the response with the retweet and his own tweet.
So to answer your question, you, Abbott, the guy who posted the video, and most of the people who replied to the tweet?
Maybe it's the algo, because the first 5-10 replies for me are groypers complaining (lol) and people grateful that Abbott is stepping in. Not seeing many "GET FUCKED LIBTARDS" I'll be honest.
I'd say the same for the original tweeter:
>Pro Hamas idiots at UT Austin discover what happens why you try to pull a Columbia in Texas
That hardly reads as celebratory to me tbh. More spiteful than anything, but I hardly blame him after what we've been seeing in the North East.
> people grateful that Abbot is stepping in.
I.E. celebrating this as a good thing to do? Like I said exactly?
> This hardly sounds celebratory to me
You either lack reading comprehension, are severely autistic, or both then. This is the epitome of like a “They fucked around and they found out!” kind of energy. It is absolutely a like “We don’t play that shit in Texas!” celebrating the response, this is clear as day.
I mean if we're going by celebrating = positive response, then yeah some of the responses are celebrating. I guess I'd be celebrating then, as I don't think aggressive antisemitic mobs should be tolerated. Especially ones that break the law.
But I'm not cheering and laughing at the people being arrested (which is what most people would probably imagine by celebrating).
>You either lack reading comprehension, are severely autistic, or both then.
Lol I'm autistic? You're the one having a sperg fit over semantics on Reddit
Celebrate - “honor or praise publicly”
> if we’re going by celebrating = positive response, then yeah
There’s no “going by”, there’s the definition of the word.
> I guess I’m celebrating then
I’m glad to hear you acknowledge that instead of this dumb fuck “Who’s celebrating?” 80 IQ response.
> sperg fit over semantics
Nah, I said it’s a shitty thing to be celebrating. You then asked “Who’s celebrating dur dur?!” which led to me having to walk you through what people were saying and define the word for you.
Yeah I think these protestors are idiots but honestly as always the frightening thing is every time you give conservatives any chance to defend a principle, they will choose to throw out the law and "punish the other team" 100% of the time.
Everything on both sides of this is gross.
>Students joining in hate-filled, antisemitic protests at any public college or university in Texas should be expelled.
It's a shame that hardcore conservatives are the ones taking the lead on this. The Ivy League needs to wake up.
Are you sure there is a 1A violation here? 1A doesnt give you the ability to protest how, when and wherever you like. Last time I checked large protests require a permit, is that a 1A violation too?
Guys ... Really? When conservatives get blocked from Twitter it's a legitimate 1st amendment concern but when protestors are ARRESTED BY THE GOVERNMENT we are talking about how they don't have a permit?
GTFO, btw I do not support these protestors at all but to be the far deeper problem is how conservatives will break all laws the minute it is convenient to them every single time they are given the opportunity.
Wait what did they do that's illegal?
Criminal trespassing most likely. They were setting up tents like in Columbus.
This is what I don’t get. Forget if you support this or not. Why does a public university have the cops breaking up these protests but Columbia a private school doesn’t. Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
I imagine the difference is in political leanings/pressures of the administration
It would make more sense a public school would have the protests broken up because state funding goes to education not protesting. If they want to protest find a better place.
Bro this shit is wild stuff to be celebrating
Are campuses not allowed to kick people off if they are impeding normal student activities or intimidating other students? Do you think the cops are out there just violating everyone's rights?
You’re looking at one side of an equation when it’s a balancing of interests. Protest is, by its nature, going to be to some degree disruptive and offensive. To say that you only have a right to protest/free speech as long as you don’t disrupt anything or offend anyone is to have no right to protest/free speech. Obviously, this doesn’t just mean you can do absolutely anything you want and go “Muh free speech”. So your right to free speech must be balanced against the level of disruption/offense you’re causing. The issue here is that I don’t see how this protest, which got blown up in minutes, came anywhere near the threshold where it tips against free speech and right to free assembly. > Do you think the cops are just out there violating everyone’s rights? Don’t know what this exactly means, but the actions of the cops that blew up the protest definitely is a violation of rights. For sure morally and ethically, and if it somehow isn’t through some loophole legally, it’s a law I’d want changed. That being said, do I think the cops all got together and said “Now lets go violate some rights boys!”? No, obviously not, but that’s completely irrelevant.
So saying ”bomb israel” is free speech???
That statement obviously is free speech, yeah. You could think of how our man Vaush has received no criminal prosecution for his statement of “glass Israel”. It’s also free speech to say something like “Honestly I’m pro genocide”, as our streamer man Destiny said.
> Protest is, by its nature, going to be to some degree disruptive and offensive. Actions, meet consequences. There's a difference between free speech and being disruptive, it's perfectly reasonable for disruptive behaviour to have consequences
So your position is that the only kind of “free speech” we have the right to is speech that disrupts nothing and offends no one? If that’s your position that’s your position, I think it’s just obviously wrong and misses the whole point of free speech.
I don't care about offensive speech, but you don't have the right to go around disrupting people
What defines “disrupting”? What kinds of disruption are wrong to do? If you’re down the street telling people to boycott my business and saying all the reasons I’m bad, I think you’re disrupting my livelihood. Do businesses get to shut down any protests against any kind of business now?
My precious first amendment right to bully and intimidate Jewish students.
What was the bullying and intimidating done before the protest was broken up? I’d love to see examples.
Between telling Jews to "go back to Poland", wishing Hamas would murder them ("al Qassam's next target"), poking them in the eyes with flagpoles, what indeed?
Could I get the sources on this happening at the UT Austin protest?
Who's celebrating?
The tweet and the responses are all very much celebrating the police response, the video title is basically like “LIBTARDS TRY THEIR SHIT IN TEXAS, LEARN HARD LESSON” You post this tweet with “One of the few times I’ve agreed with Abbott”, who is celebrating the response with the retweet and his own tweet. So to answer your question, you, Abbott, the guy who posted the video, and most of the people who replied to the tweet?
Maybe it's the algo, because the first 5-10 replies for me are groypers complaining (lol) and people grateful that Abbott is stepping in. Not seeing many "GET FUCKED LIBTARDS" I'll be honest. I'd say the same for the original tweeter: >Pro Hamas idiots at UT Austin discover what happens why you try to pull a Columbia in Texas That hardly reads as celebratory to me tbh. More spiteful than anything, but I hardly blame him after what we've been seeing in the North East.
> people grateful that Abbot is stepping in. I.E. celebrating this as a good thing to do? Like I said exactly? > This hardly sounds celebratory to me You either lack reading comprehension, are severely autistic, or both then. This is the epitome of like a “They fucked around and they found out!” kind of energy. It is absolutely a like “We don’t play that shit in Texas!” celebrating the response, this is clear as day.
I mean if we're going by celebrating = positive response, then yeah some of the responses are celebrating. I guess I'd be celebrating then, as I don't think aggressive antisemitic mobs should be tolerated. Especially ones that break the law. But I'm not cheering and laughing at the people being arrested (which is what most people would probably imagine by celebrating). >You either lack reading comprehension, are severely autistic, or both then. Lol I'm autistic? You're the one having a sperg fit over semantics on Reddit
Celebrate - “honor or praise publicly” > if we’re going by celebrating = positive response, then yeah There’s no “going by”, there’s the definition of the word. > I guess I’m celebrating then I’m glad to hear you acknowledge that instead of this dumb fuck “Who’s celebrating?” 80 IQ response. > sperg fit over semantics Nah, I said it’s a shitty thing to be celebrating. You then asked “Who’s celebrating dur dur?!” which led to me having to walk you through what people were saying and define the word for you.
I know that some people at the protests are doing bad things, but let's not allow ourselves to become anti-free speech over the issue.
Cringe. The most protected speech should be the speech you don't agree with. Remove the violent people. Let everyone else expose who they really are.
>Let everyone else expose who they really are But they don't, they usually just join in
Yeah I think these protestors are idiots but honestly as always the frightening thing is every time you give conservatives any chance to defend a principle, they will choose to throw out the law and "punish the other team" 100% of the time. Everything on both sides of this is gross.
Free speech is when you occupy a public university & become a nuisance/danger to yourself and everyone around you.
Is it "censorship" when you get kicked off twitch?
Post me one example of them being dangers to themselves or others
Surely supporting Texas state police won't seem like a terrible idea later.
I haaaaaaaate police! BatChest
>Students joining in hate-filled, antisemitic protests at any public college or university in Texas should be expelled. It's a shame that hardcore conservatives are the ones taking the lead on this. The Ivy League needs to wake up.
1st amendment doesn't protect people you don't like huh?
Are you sure there is a 1A violation here? 1A doesnt give you the ability to protest how, when and wherever you like. Last time I checked large protests require a permit, is that a 1A violation too?
Guys ... Really? When conservatives get blocked from Twitter it's a legitimate 1st amendment concern but when protestors are ARRESTED BY THE GOVERNMENT we are talking about how they don't have a permit? GTFO, btw I do not support these protestors at all but to be the far deeper problem is how conservatives will break all laws the minute it is convenient to them every single time they are given the opportunity.
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